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Just what Farage didn't want. Ex-MEP & BNP leader, Nick Griffin, says he's now supporting UKIP http://t.co/EYq16a4jg9
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Note Boris Johnson's immediate repudiation of the BNP endorsement.
"I utterly and unreservedly condemn the BNP and have no desire whatsoever to receive a single second-preference vote from a BNP supporter," he said. "I hope as many Londoners as possible turn out on May 1 to prevent the election of a BNP candidate."
How long, if at all, Farage repudiates the endorsement?
Today
Nick Griffin @nickjgriffinbnp
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@BullshineBilly I will hold nose & vote Ukip because it will help break up the Westminster system. & hold Cameron's feet to referendum fire.
2008
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2008/apr/02/london08.london
"Our suggestion … is that you hold your nose and cast it in favour of the Conservative candidate, Boris Johnson. "
End of story.
Con 32%, Lab34%, LibDems 7%, UKIP 15%, Greens 6%
Have the Cons at 9-2 already
In case you won't say sorry regardless, why should we accept Boris Johnson's repudiation of the BNP?
I'm sure Nige will reject this 'endorsement' if asked about it, but I don't see that dignifying a Nick Griffin tweet with a direct response does anybody but Nick Griffin any favours.
But, perhaps with their policies in Rotherham, they didn't need to.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/29/regions-letter-end-austerity-more-powers-devolution
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29453341
Griffin was expelled from BNP in October.
EICIPM
72% would support a block on in work benefits for migrants who have been in Britain for less than two years
78% would support a block on out of work benefits for migrants who have been in Britain for less than 2 years
Both Labour and Conservatives policies on removing benefits from EU immigrants are (unsurprisingly) supported.
I still maintain that the 3 main parties' insistence on endless, unjustified austerity is a big factor in UKIP's rise. The public just are not willing to accept it.
Do you really, really think Labour are going to loosen the purse strings?
Thanks for the reply and sorry for the delay in replying back. I went into town, had my tea, watched a bit of TV etc.
Anyway, it's not easy to point to any particular single arguments that have caused my views to change - but I suppose some of it is to do with the people I mix with. I grew up on a small dairy farm and,although I'm university educated with a BSc in Agriculture I've never really worked in a graduate level job. I chose to leave the agriculture industry and have been working on the shop floor of a window/door factory for the past 10 years. Obviously that's a more left-wing environment than farming is and, being part of it has influenced me to see the world in a different way.
Also a key moment was my parents emigrating to France in 2000. I saw what a huge difference that made to their quality of life and health and well being - like me they were escaping the farming industry. They spent the final 12 years of their working lives in the tourism sector in France before returning to the UK upon their retirement two years ago. I feel very strongly that everyone and anyone (so long as they are law abiding) should have the right to live wherever they wish to live. It did my parents so much good to move to another country. So anything that cuts across freedom of movement angers me - hence my vitriolic reaction to Cameron's speech.
You're probably correct that the Greens are more economically left-wing than I still am - but we all have our special touchstone issues which influence our votes more than others. I'm sure there are things you dislike about UKIP but the things that attract you to UKIP are more important to you? For me it's environmental issues which top my list ahead of all others when choosing how to vote. I feel as let down by the " Vote Blue Go Green" stuff the Conservatives put out last time as you feel let down by their EU and immigration policies. What you and I have in common is that we've both been let down by the Conservatives on our respective key issues.
A post of equal magnitude of craziness at around the same time before the last election was this:
http://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2009/12/27/does-this-sad-news-make-an-early-election-more-likely/
The notion that the possibility of a by-election in January would have pushed the general election in February was absurd, but controversial speculation like that made more clicks.
Controversial speculative articles is the life blood of the internet and PB is no exception as a part of it.
What they're complaining about is that their income is steadily being shrunk by national government.
But its national government which refuses to live within its means.
Endorsing UKIP is about the only thing that Nick Griffin could do now, that doesn't have a period of jail time as a consequence, that would get him noticed. It's an entirely narcissistic act from him, and it barely merits a mention.
Mon - Lab 4
Tue - Lab 1
Wed - Con 1
Thur - Tie
Fri - Lab 2
The Mon poll looked like Rochester bounce hurting Con and tied in with Populus and Ashcroft. It then looked like level-pegging for the three midweek polls but the Fri (only reported tonight) is a bit better for Lab.
Coupled with Friday's Populus also still having Lab 5% ahead it implies I think that Lab has marginally increased its lead post Rochester and that increase appears to have been sustained at least in part up until now.
Tonight's poll could be released Fri 10pm - it's the same timetable as The Sun polls - it's just held back for 24 hours as it's for Sunday Times.
Why is Nigel Farage so slow, is he up on a plane or something?
With reason.
But all that leaves is dislike of and bitterness towards those who are different to yourself.
And its going to get worse.
Mike Hancock
Lord Rennard
That is all.
Today South Carolina played at Clemson. During the game a key Clemson player was ejected for targetting (driving his helmet oto another player's helmet, aka spearing). Replay after replay showed the call was highly questionable, but it was upheld on review.
For the next 2 or 3 minutes it was glorious to hear 88 thousand people shouting in unison - "Bullshit! Bullshit!." It almost drowned out the commentary.
Is this how low political discourse has fallen in the UK -'don't vote for them, SO AND SO likes them!' The implication presumably being that voters are so stupid that they need to predicate their voting intentions on the likeability or otherwise of utterly unrelated people who may or may not support similar parties for a multitude of other reasons.
In other news: Hitler was a vegetarian, Pol Pot liked noodles, Bin Laden wore a lot of white, Charles Manson was seen driving a car at least twice, and there is ample evidence that Fred and Rosemary West breathed oxygen. Loads of it. AVOID ALL THESE THINGS PEOPLE -or you'll be AS BAD AS THEM.
Normally according to swingback theory you would begin to see voters swinging to the government 2 months ago, but both the LD and the Tories are not going anywhere. So far there has been a redistribution of votes among the opposition parties, based on the notion of who is the best opposition to the government.
His silence could be characterised that he and they are happy with the endorsement.
Oh .. that was Labour wasn't it?
Still I bet Ed dropped him like a hot potato..........
ohhh
Which party are white racists most likely to vote for in the election next year?
Or maybe he's campaigning in Thanet South?
Or maybe he doesn't feel the need to respond to an anti-semitic, racist, past-it gobshite.
They are all (or were) Lib Dems!!!
I could play Paxman with you, but I won't waste my weekend for you.
If Nige came out with a rejection, it would be all over the news in minutes wouldn't it? 'UKIP leader rejects Griffin endorsement' only serves to conflate UKIP and the BNP together in people's minds.
Why fan the flames?
Your advice is the same that Miliband received regarding Thornberry: go nuclear on an obscure story, thus making it the main story.
Communities Minister Penny Mordaunt said ‘c**k’ six times, ‘lay’ or ‘laid’ five times and mentioned the names of at least six officers during a debate on poultry welfare.
Her speech, recorded in full in Parliament’s Hansard official report and broadcast on television, received a formal reply from a fellow Minister, who believed her interest in the
subject was genuine.
Speaker John Bercow was also duped, making copious notes as Naval Reservist Ms Mordaunt addressed the House.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2854421/Minister-staged-obscene-Commons-debate-BET-Tory-says-c-k-six-times-lewd-stunt-sailor-pals.html
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3pCW_MIIAAJ6yo.jpg
You not answering it doesn't change that fact.
No matter how bad it is, it is great news for UKIP.
I expect some will spin the Peter Entwistle story as great for UKIP, although the fact none of the Paedo-Groomer-Finder-Generals have linked to that story this week.
I wonder why?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3pDSrJIIAAWALh.jpg
I don't believe that any of you are racist, hence your shame, but you will share a political base with the racists as long as you stick with the party you currently support.
Though you could argue his great uncle could have been this country's ultimate pig dog traitor.
Edit: Was Edward VIII his great uncle?
http://cf.datawrapper.de/2MJCH/2/
88,000 people is very impressive. Why is College Football so popular? Are College baseball, hockey etc. similarly popular?
Mike and TSE are trolling PB's right now, better to ignore them.
Perhaps that's why the Conservative leadership is obsessing about immigration and puts more immigration restrictions on Africans and Asians than it does on Europeans.
As Churchill said,
Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.
Rank........ Seat............Win 2010 .........UKIP Win %
1..........Clacton ............Cons ...............82.25%
2..........Thanet South....Cons ...............64.58%
3..........Thurrock ..........Cons ..............57.47%
4 .........Boston & Skeg ..Cons ..............56.06%
5 .........Great Y'mouth ..Cons ..............40.33%
6 ........ Castle Point ......Cons ..............38.47%
7 ........Thanet North ....Cons ...............36.55%
8 ........ Roch & Strood...Cons ..............35.87%
9 ........Great Grimsby ...Lab ................32.94%
10 ......Rotherham ........Lab ................28.51%
11 ......Cannock Ch.......Cons ..............27.91%
12 ......Dover ...............Cons ..............27.77%
13 ......Louth & Horn ....Cons ..............26.29%
14 ......Bas'don & Thur..Cons ..............25.67%
15 ......Folk & Hythe .....Cons...............22.65%
etc., etc.
'@BenM are second generation immigrants, ie those born in the UK whose parents were born abroad, considered to be natives? Or are they immigrants? Or are they a bit of both?'
Awkward.
Whatever it is, I expect that 1964 Tories time-travelled to today would all be Kippers. 2014 Tories obviously aren't.
I think we need to get the toy cows out:
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/GFTgkibl7DU/maxresdefault.jpg
Others might not be value, like South Thanet, though that could chance now that Farage has started campaigning there.
The key are those seats that UKIP are doing well in the opinion polls but are not on that list, yet.
BenM was incessantly referring to the report that said immigrants were a financial benefit to the uk. I wanted him to disagree with my question. He wisely didn't. You've foolishly brought it up.
The report he quoted counted kids of immigrants as immigrants themselves until their sixteenth birthday.
I never said that they should be considered as natives or immigrants.
It is the heart warming story of a Brown coloured illegal immigrant in this country who keeps his head covered and changes the life of an English family.
All ages loved it.
Try again.