Indeed, person dated more than one woman before marriage is hardly the biggest revelation of the week, it has to compete with head of religious organisation with specific injunction against homosexual acts in its religious texts not hyper keen on gays.
It must be a lead in. That can't be all there is, surely?
It barely reaches the very low bar of being more interesting than Labour's manifesto.
Unless there are progeny that he's disowned and refuses to pay for there's clearly not going to be a scandal.
No, it is definitely less interesting than the Labour manifesto. Which was designed by SMERSH to kill with boredom, I think.
Right. I was going to vote Labour but now I know that Starmer returned calls to his ex girlfriends in the 1990s I just can't do it. Some things are forgiveable, but not this. Come on Rishi, you can do it son.
I read the comment from @MoonRabbit and sniggered a little. Have to vote Tory or else you get a government who does nanny state stuff like banning adverts of junk food (as defined by pencil-pushing bureaucrats) to children, or the laborious High Fat Salt Sugar regulations.
No, strike that, reverse it. The TORIES are the nanny state doing the exact same thing she is attacking Labour for doing.
This is why the Tories are absolutely doomed. Can't accept reality, keep saying black is white. etc.
Just out of interest, is anyone on here desperate for tax cuts?
Anecdotal I know, but on a regular catch-up call with my brother, he raised the election with the comment: "I don't want tax cuts, I want things fixed". He's a self-employed plumber, voted Tory in 2019, marginal south coast seat.
That's funny. I keep hearing people complaining at how the tax burden is at a record high.
Can't help feeling is that it from Labour? This country has a slew of problems that this government has ignored and that is it. In 2022 there were 329m appointments in primary care. So that is equivalent to an average of 6.32m appointments a week. To which Labour promise to add 40k. Or just over 0.6%.
They would produce more if they used the money to settle the junior doctors strike. Which they probably will.
Is this really the height of their ambition? It's pathetic.
I read the comment from @MoonRabbit and sniggered a little. Have to vote Tory or else you get a government who does nanny state stuff like banning adverts of junk food (as defined by pencil-pushing bureaucrats) to children, or the laborious High Fat Salt Sugar regulations.
No, strike that, reverse it. The TORIES are the nanny state doing the exact same thing she is attacking Labour for doing.
This is why the Tories are absolutely doomed. Can't accept reality, keep saying black is white. etc.
I assumed it was satire. Don’t tell me it was serious.
We must all still vote Conservative at this election.
Why continue to vote Conservative? It’s very easy to answer. 14 years of Conservative government has protected you and our Nation from the horrors and household bill increases of Labours Nanny State. Thinking of voting Labour, you are voting to be Nannied, voting for New taxes on your weekly shop as well as mandatory health targets https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/health/national-food-strategy-is-an-off-the-shelf-solution-for-labour/691923.article Labour are instinctive nanny state-ers. VAT on junk food, fast food and your deliveries, the deliveroo tax in the Telegraph, Labours whopper tax The Sun will dub it. Labours policy on take aways is to always take away your individual freedom. If Labour leave families only aspiring to Just Eat, unable to afford it anymore, it’s yet another attack on aspiration.
Labour = enemy of freedom of choice, policy after policy. So protect the aspiration of families, protect everyone’s individual freedoms, give people back THEIR money, and don’t let everyone in this country get sucked into the massive Socialist State. THIS is what this election is really all about, if Team Sunak wasn’t so useless.
Vote Tory so you can eat yourself to chronic disease, cost the NHS millions and then die young, gasping for breath on a hospital floor!
Yes. It’s about freedom and rights.
Actually wait. I’ll come back with a better answer.
We must all still vote Conservative at this election.
Why continue to vote Conservative? It’s very easy to answer. 14 years of Conservative government has protected you and our Nation from the horrors and household bill increases of Labours Nanny State. Thinking of voting Labour, you are voting to be Nannied, voting for New taxes on your weekly shop as well as mandatory health targets https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/health/national-food-strategy-is-an-off-the-shelf-solution-for-labour/691923.article Labour are instinctive nanny state-ers. VAT on junk food, fast food and your deliveries, the deliveroo tax in the Telegraph, Labours whopper tax The Sun will dub it. Labours policy on take aways is to always take away your individual freedom. If Labour leave families only aspiring to Just Eat, unable to afford it anymore, it’s yet another attack on aspiration.
Labour = enemy of freedom of choice, policy after policy. So protect the aspiration of families, protect everyone’s individual freedoms, give people back THEIR money, and don’t let everyone in this country get sucked into the massive Socialist State. THIS is what this election is really all about, if Team Sunak wasn’t so useless.
Vote Tory so you can eat yourself to chronic disease, cost the NHS millions and then die young, gasping for breath on a hospital floor!
Yes. It’s about freedom and rights.
Actually wait. I’ll come back with a better answer.
There are 3 local by-elections today. We have another Ind defence in Highland; and Ind elected as Labour in West Dunbartonshire; and a Con defence in Greenwich.
We must all still vote Conservative at this election.
Why continue to vote Conservative? It’s very easy to answer. 14 years of Conservative government has protected you and our Nation from the horrors and household bill increases of Labours Nanny State. Thinking of voting Labour, you are voting to be Nannied, voting for New taxes on your weekly shop as well as mandatory health targets https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/health/national-food-strategy-is-an-off-the-shelf-solution-for-labour/691923.article Labour are instinctive nanny state-ers. VAT on junk food, fast food and your deliveries, the deliveroo tax in the Telegraph, Labours whopper tax The Sun will dub it. Labours policy on take aways is to always take away your individual freedom. If Labour leave families only aspiring to Just Eat, unable to afford it anymore, it’s yet another attack on aspiration.
Labour = enemy of freedom of choice, policy after policy. So protect the aspiration of families, protect everyone’s individual freedoms, give people back THEIR money, and don’t let everyone in this country get sucked into the massive Socialist State. THIS is what this election is really all about, if Team Sunak wasn’t so useless.
Vote Tory so you can eat yourself to chronic disease, cost the NHS millions and then die young, gasping for breath on a hospital floor!
Yes. It’s about freedom and rights.
Actually wait. I’ll come back with a better answer.
We must all still vote Conservative at this election.
Why continue to vote Conservative? It’s very easy to answer. 14 years of Conservative government has protected you and our Nation from the horrors and household bill increases of Labours Nanny State. Thinking of voting Labour, you are voting to be Nannied, voting for New taxes on your weekly shop as well as mandatory health targets https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/health/national-food-strategy-is-an-off-the-shelf-solution-for-labour/691923.article Labour are instinctive nanny state-ers. VAT on junk food, fast food and your deliveries, the deliveroo tax in the Telegraph, Labours whopper tax The Sun will dub it. Labours policy on take aways is to always take away your individual freedom. If Labour leave families only aspiring to Just Eat, unable to afford it anymore, it’s yet another attack on aspiration.
Labour = enemy of freedom of choice, policy after policy. So protect the aspiration of families, protect everyone’s individual freedoms, give people back THEIR money, and don’t let everyone in this country get sucked into the massive Socialist State. THIS is what this election is really all about, if Team Sunak wasn’t so useless.
Vote Tory so you can eat yourself to chronic disease, cost the NHS millions and then die young, gasping for breath on a hospital floor!
Yes. It’s about freedom and rights.
Actually wait. I’ll come back with a better answer.
So PMs are rebranding whatever it is that they have already as AI, maybe smearing an LLM over the top so they can say they’re partnering with OpenAI or something.
Which makes it very hard to sort the actually innovative wheat from the enormous amounts of chaff...
Can't help feeling is that it from Labour? This country has a slew of problems that this government has ignored and that is it. In 2022 there were 329m appointments in primary care. So that is equivalent to an average of 6.32m appointments a week. To which Labour promise to add 40k. Or just over 0.6%.
They would produce more if they used the money to settle the junior doctors strike. Which they probably will.
Is this really the height of their ambition? It's pathetic.
It’s the Ming Vase strategy again. Offer a minimal target. The risk is that it’s SO boring voters go elsewhere (but not the Tories)
Indeed, person dated more than one woman before marriage is hardly the biggest revelation of the week, it has to compete with head of religious organisation with specific injunction against homosexual acts in its religious texts not hyper keen on gays.
It must be a lead in. That can't be all there is, surely?
It barely reaches the very low bar of being more interesting than Labour's manifesto.
Unless there are progeny that he's disowned and refuses to pay for there's clearly not going to be a scandal.
Yes this must be a teaser. It’s embarrassingly bad if this is it. My guess is - like any sensible journalist - he’s stringing it out for maximum effect
If it literally is just this then standards are falling even amongst guttersnipes and snitches
But even as a teaser, it's rubbish.
Guido has always been more sizzle than sausage, but where's the sizzle here?
Even the plaintive mention of Boris is a bit sad.
His heart's not in it. He doesn't like Starmer but hates Rishi and wants Farage to defeat the Tories, this doesn't help that at all.
So Labour might not be promising radical change, but at least they'll run things competently and properly, avoiding really obvious foreseeable pitfalls of the type that the Conservatives keep stumbling into.
Think I'll just head off to the manifesto page on their website to be reassured about that:
Indeed, person dated more than one woman before marriage is hardly the biggest revelation of the week, it has to compete with head of religious organisation with specific injunction against homosexual acts in its religious texts not hyper keen on gays.
It must be a lead in. That can't be all there is, surely?
It barely reaches the very low bar of being more interesting than Labour's manifesto.
Unless there are progeny that he's disowned and refuses to pay for there's clearly not going to be a scandal.
No, it is definitely less interesting than the Labour manifesto. Which was designed by SMERSH to kill with boredom, I think.
It has the singular advantage of being shorter.
The manifesto's only interest is in what it doesn't say.
I read the comment from @MoonRabbit and sniggered a little. Have to vote Tory or else you get a government who does nanny state stuff like banning adverts of junk food (as defined by pencil-pushing bureaucrats) to children, or the laborious High Fat Salt Sugar regulations.
No, strike that, reverse it. The TORIES are the nanny state doing the exact same thing she is attacking Labour for doing.
This is why the Tories are absolutely doomed. Can't accept reality, keep saying black is white. etc.
Gentle tip: I skip over all your posts now.
The rants from the stands are some of the most boring on the site.
There are 3 local by-elections today. We have another Ind defence in Highland; and Ind elected as Labour in West Dunbartonshire; and a Con defence in Greenwich.
I was reading an article and came across this quote which I think sums up things quite nicely.
Russia occupies and will continue to occupy a commanding position in every struggle against popular rights… And though other governments, its allies and subordinates, may seem to be most active, yet they are but puppets on the stage..: The motive power is the man behind the scenes, the leader of Russia. He is the formidable antagonist of the peoples. He is … impelled by a hostility to free institutions that admits if no compromise and yields to no relaxation”
When do people think this was written (no googling!)
They're lying because the electorate doesn't want to hear the truth, and will punish anyone who tells it. It's possible to be deeply unimpressed and frustrated with all the rubbish politicians churn out, and to understand why they do it at the same time.
Labour is using fantasies about rampant economic growth to disguise its true intentions. They're either lying about an end to austerity, lying about freezes to income tax and NI rates, or there are big increases coming in taxes where they've not yet been explicitly ruled out. Look for the holes in the manifesto where Reeves is leaving wriggle room for the latter.
Exactly what Paul Johnson at the IFS was saying. Working people will pay more tax because of fiscal drag, and there will still need to be significant tax increases as the alternative required cuts to spending are not viable.
Every party is basically taking the electorate for fools.
But only one party will have to follow through - this is a mistake by Labour, which is unlikely to cost them now but could feed a narrative later.
I was reading an article and came across this quote which I think sums up things quite nicely.
Russia occupies and will continue to occupy a commanding position in every struggle against popular rights… And though other governments, its allies and subordinates, may seem to be most active, yet they are but puppets on the stage..: The motive power is the man behind the scenes, the leader of Russia. He is the formidable antagonist of the peoples. He is … impelled by a hostility to free institutions that admits if no compromise and yields to no relaxation”
When do people think this was written (no googling!)
My guess the mid 1930s
Before then
Late Tsarist times but before the revolutions of 1905
We must all still vote Conservative at this election.
Why continue to vote Conservative? It’s very easy to answer. 14 years of Conservative government has protected you and our Nation from the horrors and household bill increases of Labours Nanny State. Thinking of voting Labour, you are voting to be Nannied, voting for New taxes on your weekly shop as well as mandatory health targets https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/health/national-food-strategy-is-an-off-the-shelf-solution-for-labour/691923.article Labour are instinctive nanny state-ers. VAT on junk food, fast food and your deliveries, the deliveroo tax in the Telegraph, Labours whopper tax The Sun will dub it. Labours policy on take aways is to always take away your individual freedom. If Labour leave families only aspiring to Just Eat, unable to afford it anymore, it’s yet another attack on aspiration.
Labour = enemy of freedom of choice, policy after policy. So protect the aspiration of families, protect everyone’s individual freedoms, give people back THEIR money, and don’t let everyone in this country get sucked into the massive Socialist State. THIS is what this election is really all about, if Team Sunak wasn’t so useless.
It's not about Freedom TO, it's about Freedom FROM.
Freedom from Poverty, Hunger, Ignorance or to put it into more meaningful terms freedom from having to wait months or years for a hospital appointment, freedom from pain, freedom from fear of crime and freedom from becoming a victim not just of petty crime but freedom from corporate crime, freedom from being gouged by foreign-owned corporations and freedom from the pathetic services they provide.
The Conservatives have had 14 years in Government to make it a better place for the citizens - they have failed dismally and completely. That's not to say there isn't a place for conservative thinking but that's not to be found in the current iteration of the Party.
That Party needs to, pace Dracula, be held down and have a stake driven through its still beating heart.
From there, perhaps, it can return as a genuinely conservative party interested in the welfare of all citizens.
This thread is starting to read like a Pinter play
I read the comment from @MoonRabbit and sniggered a little. Have to vote Tory or else you get a government who does nanny state stuff like banning adverts of junk food (as defined by pencil-pushing bureaucrats) to children, or the laborious High Fat Salt Sugar regulations.
No, strike that, reverse it. The TORIES are the nanny state doing the exact same thing she is attacking Labour for doing.
This is why the Tories are absolutely doomed. Can't accept reality, keep saying black is white. etc.
Gentle tip: I skip over all your posts now.
The rants from the stands are some of the most boring on the site.
Just out of interest, is anyone on here desperate for tax cuts?
Anecdotal I know, but on a regular catch-up call with my brother, he raised the election with the comment: "I don't want tax cuts, I want things fixed". He's a self-employed plumber, voted Tory in 2019, marginal south coast seat.
That's funny. I keep hearing people complaining at how the tax burden is at a record high.
I'm surprised that the LibDems haven't said that if/when the economy allows they would move the Income Tax bands. This was popular when they did it in the coalition and is fairer than playing with NIC.
So Labour might not be promising radical change, but at least they'll run things competently and properly, avoiding really obvious foreseeable pitfalls of the type that the Conservatives keep stumbling into.
Think I'll just head off to the manifesto page on their website to be reassured about that:
...oh.
This would happen in the Lib Dem campaign, where seeming acts of incompetence are actually part of a master PR strategy.
Can't help feeling is that it from Labour? This country has a slew of problems that this government has ignored and that is it. In 2022 there were 329m appointments in primary care. So that is equivalent to an average of 6.32m appointments a week. To which Labour promise to add 40k. Or just over 0.6%.
They would produce more if they used the money to settle the junior doctors strike. Which they probably will.
Is this really the height of their ambition? It's pathetic.
It’s the Ming Vase strategy again. Offer a minimal target. The risk is that it’s SO boring voters go elsewhere (but not the Tories)
They are being seriously outflanked by the Lib Dems here. They are not close to addressing the scope of the problem. They are only getting away with it (if they are) because most of this country and almost all of its media are innumerate.
Labour will introduce a new Race Equality Act with a right to equal pay and mandatory ethnicity pay gap reporting.
Another layer of pointless wokeness
God help us. We are about to replace the world’s worst governments with the world’s even worse worst government. Where is the hope? The surprise? The dash for glory? Anything?
It’s gonna be woke micromanagement of endless decline
Indeed, person dated more than one woman before marriage is hardly the biggest revelation of the week, it has to compete with head of religious organisation with specific injunction against homosexual acts in its religious texts not hyper keen on gays.
I keep on telling everybody that everyone loves a lawyer, Starmer is the prime example of that.
It's for the best. They'll fuck you anyway, so you may as well enjoy it.
“A lawyer with his briefcase can steal more than a hundred men with guns.”
Can't help feeling is that it from Labour? This country has a slew of problems that this government has ignored and that is it. In 2022 there were 329m appointments in primary care. So that is equivalent to an average of 6.32m appointments a week. To which Labour promise to add 40k. Or just over 0.6%.
They would produce more if they used the money to settle the junior doctors strike. Which they probably will.
Is this really the height of their ambition? It's pathetic.
It’s the Ming Vase strategy again. Offer a minimal target. The risk is that it’s SO boring voters go elsewhere (but not the Tories)
They are being seriously outflanked by the Lib Dems here. They are not close to addressing the scope of the problem. They are only getting away with it (if they are) because most of this country and almost all of its media are innumerate.
Indeed
This is why I am amazed the Lib Dems aren’t loudly going for “immediately rejoin single market” and “have rejoin referendum in first term”
I honestly think they could peel off several million Labour Remainers and overtake the Tories. This is their one big chance. And they’re not doing it??!!!
I was reading an article and came across this quote which I think sums up things quite nicely.
Russia occupies and will continue to occupy a commanding position in every struggle against popular rights… And though other governments, its allies and subordinates, may seem to be most active, yet they are but puppets on the stage..: The motive power is the man behind the scenes, the leader of Russia. He is the formidable antagonist of the peoples. He is … impelled by a hostility to free institutions that admits if no compromise and yields to no relaxation”
When do people think this was written (no googling!)
1875?
I am reminded of Nicholas 1 - The Gendarme of Europe'. So 1849?
Very good
1851 despatch from the US Envoy Plenipotentiary to St Petersburg
Can't help feeling is that it from Labour? This country has a slew of problems that this government has ignored and that is it. In 2022 there were 329m appointments in primary care. So that is equivalent to an average of 6.32m appointments a week. To which Labour promise to add 40k. Or just over 0.6%.
They would produce more if they used the money to settle the junior doctors strike. Which they probably will.
Is this really the height of their ambition? It's pathetic.
It’s the Ming Vase strategy again. Offer a minimal target. The risk is that it’s SO boring voters go elsewhere (but not the Tories)
The manifesto, like everything else in their campaign for months, is aimed at a few tens of thousands of swing voters.
It is deeply frustrating.
And will give them a very weak mandate for change when in government.
Can't help feeling is that it from Labour? This country has a slew of problems that this government has ignored and that is it. In 2022 there were 329m appointments in primary care. So that is equivalent to an average of 6.32m appointments a week. To which Labour promise to add 40k. Or just over 0.6%.
They would produce more if they used the money to settle the junior doctors strike. Which they probably will.
Is this really the height of their ambition? It's pathetic.
It’s the Ming Vase strategy again. Offer a minimal target. The risk is that it’s SO boring voters go elsewhere (but not the Tories)
They are being seriously outflanked by the Lib Dems here. They are not close to addressing the scope of the problem. They are only getting away with it (if they are) because most of this country and almost all of its media are innumerate.
Indeed
This is why I am amazed the Lib Dems aren’t loudly going for “immediately rejoin single market” and “have rejoin referendum in first term”
I honestly think they could peel off several million Labour Remainers and overtake the Tories. This is their one big chance. And they’re not doing it??!!!
The voters that are easy to pick up at the moment is 2019 Conservative voters. So Labour, Reform and the LDs are all fishing there.
I'm quite sure that many Premier league clubs would just quite like it if their local fans just buggered off and found something else to do. Then they could just sell all their TV rights to India and China and not have to worry about the 'local community' and that sort of rubbish.
Disappointing from Labour. Nothing on planning reform to ensure better broadband and 4G/5G. I’d have liked to see allowing the heights of masts being upped to match Europe.
It's a rational idea but a guaranteed vote loser. The number of people who would vote Labour because of it would be massively outnumbered by the NIMBYs/BANANAs who wouldn't.
Aren't Labour already proposing planning reform?
I hope they will do this stuff after getting elected. This stuff really is essential.
The sorting of people into racial categories within private employment is beyond ghastly.
Are HR departments to be furnished with callipers?
Labour are going for ultra wokeness just as the tide turns against it in the USA. They could be left very exposed
Indeed. Peak woke has kind of happened here, so far as I can tell. Whereas when I join UK calls they (you?) seem to be heading ever deeper into the loony mines.
Can't help feeling is that it from Labour? This country has a slew of problems that this government has ignored and that is it. In 2022 there were 329m appointments in primary care. So that is equivalent to an average of 6.32m appointments a week. To which Labour promise to add 40k. Or just over 0.6%.
They would produce more if they used the money to settle the junior doctors strike. Which they probably will.
Is this really the height of their ambition? It's pathetic.
It’s the Ming Vase strategy again. Offer a minimal target. The risk is that it’s SO boring voters go elsewhere (but not the Tories)
They are being seriously outflanked by the Lib Dems here. They are not close to addressing the scope of the problem. They are only getting away with it (if they are) because most of this country and almost all of its media are innumerate.
Indeed
This is why I am amazed the Lib Dems aren’t loudly going for “immediately rejoin single market” and “have rejoin referendum in first term”
I honestly think they could peel off several million Labour Remainers and overtake the Tories. This is their one big chance. And they’re not doing it??!!!
The voters that are easy to pick up at the moment is 2019 Conservative voters. So Labour, Reform and the LDs are all fishing there.
That’s bollocks
The Labour vote is soft as babyfood. See how much it has slipped in 2 weeks of campaigning. Some polls have them down 7 points. No one is enthusiastic about Starmer, it’s just anti Tory sentiment
So there’s a huge target of Labour Remainers waiting to be tempted by an eu offer from the Lib Dem’s. People like @Roger and many many others
Millions of them. Also lots of media people
And they don’t offer it?? This is the one chance they will get. They are dumb as rocks
The sorting of people into racial categories within private employment is beyond ghastly.
Are HR departments to be furnished with callipers?
Labour are going for ultra wokeness just as the tide turns against it in the USA. They could be left very exposed
Indeed. Peak woke has kind of happened here, so far as I can tell. Whereas when I join UK calls they (you?) seem to be heading ever deeper into the loony mines.
Can't help feeling is that it from Labour? This country has a slew of problems that this government has ignored and that is it. In 2022 there were 329m appointments in primary care. So that is equivalent to an average of 6.32m appointments a week. To which Labour promise to add 40k. Or just over 0.6%.
They would produce more if they used the money to settle the junior doctors strike. Which they probably will.
Is this really the height of their ambition? It's pathetic.
It’s the Ming Vase strategy again. Offer a minimal target. The risk is that it’s SO boring voters go elsewhere (but not the Tories)
They are being seriously outflanked by the Lib Dems here. They are not close to addressing the scope of the problem. They are only getting away with it (if they are) because most of this country and almost all of its media are innumerate.
Indeed
This is why I am amazed the Lib Dems aren’t loudly going for “immediately rejoin single market” and “have rejoin referendum in first term”
I honestly think they could peel off several million Labour Remainers and overtake the Tories. This is their one big chance. And they’re not doing it??!!!
The voters that are easy to pick up at the moment is 2019 Conservative voters. So Labour, Reform and the LDs are all fishing there.
That’s bollocks
The Labour vote is soft as babyfood. See how much it has slipped in 2 weeks of campaigning. Some polls have them down 7 points. No one is enthusiastic about Starmer, it’s just anti Tory sentiment
So there’s a huge target of Labour Remainers waiting to be tempted by an eu offer from the Lib Dem’s. People like @Roger and many many others
Millions of them. Also lots of media people
And they don’t offer it?? This is the one chance they will get. They are dumb as rocks
They believe they tested a EU offer to destruction in 2019.
I’m not sure about your conclusion, though. The LDs are trying to win over blue seats who may well no longer believe in Brexit but don’t necessarily want to be reminded how foolish the proposition was.
Indeed, person dated more than one woman before marriage is hardly the biggest revelation of the week, it has to compete with head of religious organisation with specific injunction against homosexual acts in its religious texts not hyper keen on gays.
I keep on telling everybody that everyone loves a lawyer, Starmer is the prime example of that.
It's for the best. They'll fuck you anyway, so you may as well enjoy it.
“A lawyer with his briefcase can steal more than a hundred men with guns.”
"I got the shotgun; you got the briefcase." - Omar Little
God, that's very thin gruel. Starmer had other girlfriends before he married his wife - shock!
The rumour is “he had a sex life”
If he did NOT that would actually be more unusual and interesting. Pathetic! We want zebras and midgets
Guido has been trailing this for ages - is that it? Hardly the epitome of progressivism to have loved with a few people, and they got married to other people in your social circle.
We must all still vote Conservative at this election.
Why continue to vote Conservative? It’s very easy to answer. 14 years of Conservative government has protected you and our Nation from the horrors and household bill increases of Labours Nanny State. Thinking of voting Labour, you are voting to be Nannied, voting for New taxes on your weekly shop as well as mandatory health targets https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/health/national-food-strategy-is-an-off-the-shelf-solution-for-labour/691923.article Labour are instinctive nanny state-ers. VAT on junk food, fast food and your deliveries, the deliveroo tax in the Telegraph, Labours whopper tax The Sun will dub it. Labours policy on take aways is to always take away your individual freedom. If Labour leave families only aspiring to Just Eat, unable to afford it anymore, it’s yet another attack on aspiration.
Labour = enemy of freedom of choice, policy after policy. So protect the aspiration of families, protect everyone’s individual freedoms, give people back THEIR money, and don’t let everyone in this country get sucked into the massive Socialist State. THIS is what this election is really all about, if Team Sunak wasn’t so useless.
Vote Tory so you can eat yourself to chronic disease, cost the NHS millions and then die young, gasping for breath on a hospital floor!
Yes. It’s about freedom and rights.
Actually wait. I’ll come back with a better answer.
I read the comment from @MoonRabbit and sniggered a little. Have to vote Tory or else you get a government who does nanny state stuff like banning adverts of junk food (as defined by pencil-pushing bureaucrats) to children, or the laborious High Fat Salt Sugar regulations.
No, strike that, reverse it. The TORIES are the nanny state doing the exact same thing she is attacking Labour for doing.
This is why the Tories are absolutely doomed. Can't accept reality, keep saying black is white. etc.
The Tories are doing all this sort of stuff and are fully on board with it.
I find it bizarre if any Tory complains about labour taking forward policies the Tories planned to implement anyway.
We must all still vote Conservative at this election.
Why continue to vote Conservative? It’s very easy to answer. 14 years of Conservative government has protected you and our Nation from the horrors and household bill increases of Labours Nanny State. Thinking of voting Labour, you are voting to be Nannied, voting for New taxes on your weekly shop as well as mandatory health targets https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/health/national-food-strategy-is-an-off-the-shelf-solution-for-labour/691923.article Labour are instinctive nanny state-ers. VAT on junk food, fast food and your deliveries, the deliveroo tax in the Telegraph, Labours whopper tax The Sun will dub it. Labours policy on take aways is to always take away your individual freedom. If Labour leave families only aspiring to Just Eat, unable to afford it anymore, it’s yet another attack on aspiration.
Labour = enemy of freedom of choice, policy after policy. So protect the aspiration of families, protect everyone’s individual freedoms, give people back THEIR money, and don’t let everyone in this country get sucked into the massive Socialist State. THIS is what this election is really all about, if Team Sunak wasn’t so useless.
Vote Tory so you can eat yourself to chronic disease, cost the NHS millions and then die young, gasping for breath on a hospital floor!
Yes. It’s about freedom and rights.
Actually wait. I’ll come back with a better answer.
Guardian live blog have changed their headline to the apology over the days of election bet, deeming that a bigger story than the Labour manifesto launch.
On the one hand, this shows there was no huge blunder to make a story about in the manifesto. But on the other, your manifesto launch should be *the* day when you get noticed in a campaign for the right reasons.
I'm quite sure that many Premier league clubs would just quite like it if their local fans just buggered off and found something else to do. Then they could just sell all their TV rights to India and China and not have to worry about the 'local community' and that sort of rubbish.
There are lots of Nu Football Fans on PB, unfortunately, who support Big Six clubs while having absolutely no link to their locale.
I'm quite sure that many Premier league clubs would just quite like it if their local fans just buggered off and found something else to do. Then they could just sell all their TV rights to India and China and not have to worry about the 'local community' and that sort of rubbish.
There are lots of Nu Football Fans on PB, unfortunately, who support Big Six clubs while having absolutely no link to their locale.
"We will put passengers at the heart of the service by reforming the railways and bringing them into public ownership. We will do this as contracts with existing operators expire or are broken through a failure to deliver, without costing taxpayers a penny in compensation."
I do wonder if the franchises/contracts will end a lot quicker than expected.
Can't help feeling is that it from Labour? This country has a slew of problems that this government has ignored and that is it. In 2022 there were 329m appointments in primary care. So that is equivalent to an average of 6.32m appointments a week. To which Labour promise to add 40k. Or just over 0.6%.
They would produce more if they used the money to settle the junior doctors strike. Which they probably will.
Is this really the height of their ambition? It's pathetic.
It’s the Ming Vase strategy again. Offer a minimal target. The risk is that it’s SO boring voters go elsewhere (but not the Tories)
They are being seriously outflanked by the Lib Dems here. They are not close to addressing the scope of the problem. They are only getting away with it (if they are) because most of this country and almost all of its media are innumerate.
Indeed
This is why I am amazed the Lib Dems aren’t loudly going for “immediately rejoin single market” and “have rejoin referendum in first term”
I honestly think they could peel off several million Labour Remainers and overtake the Tories. This is their one big chance. And they’re not doing it??!!!
The voters that are easy to pick up at the moment is 2019 Conservative voters. So Labour, Reform and the LDs are all fishing there.
That’s bollocks
The Labour vote is soft as babyfood. See how much it has slipped in 2 weeks of campaigning. Some polls have them down 7 points. No one is enthusiastic about Starmer, it’s just anti Tory sentiment
So there’s a huge target of Labour Remainers waiting to be tempted by an eu offer from the Lib Dem’s. People like @Roger and many many others
Millions of them. Also lots of media people
And they don’t offer it?? This is the one chance they will get. They are dumb as rocks
It is indeed anti Tory sentiment. So they vote for whichever of Labour, Reform or LD is best placed to beat the Tories and reflects local tastes.
I was reading an article and came across this quote which I think sums up things quite nicely.
Russia occupies and will continue to occupy a commanding position in every struggle against popular rights… And though other governments, its allies and subordinates, may seem to be most active, yet they are but puppets on the stage..: The motive power is the man behind the scenes, the leader of Russia. He is the formidable antagonist of the peoples. He is … impelled by a hostility to free institutions that admits if no compromise and yields to no relaxation”
When do people think this was written (no googling!)
1875?
I am reminded of Nicholas 1 - The Gendarme of Europe'. So 1849?
Very good
1851 despatch from the US Envoy Plenipotentiary to St Petersburg
Bonus points for @Farooq and @Nigelb for highlighting the underlying point even if they didn’t get the answer right
Can't help feeling is that it from Labour? This country has a slew of problems that this government has ignored and that is it. In 2022 there were 329m appointments in primary care. So that is equivalent to an average of 6.32m appointments a week. To which Labour promise to add 40k. Or just over 0.6%.
They would produce more if they used the money to settle the junior doctors strike. Which they probably will.
Is this really the height of their ambition? It's pathetic.
It’s the Ming Vase strategy again. Offer a minimal target. The risk is that it’s SO boring voters go elsewhere (but not the Tories)
They are being seriously outflanked by the Lib Dems here. They are not close to addressing the scope of the problem. They are only getting away with it (if they are) because most of this country and almost all of its media are innumerate.
Indeed
This is why I am amazed the Lib Dems aren’t loudly going for “immediately rejoin single market” and “have rejoin referendum in first term”
I honestly think they could peel off several million Labour Remainers and overtake the Tories. This is their one big chance. And they’re not doing it??!!!
The voters that are easy to pick up at the moment is 2019 Conservative voters. So Labour, Reform and the LDs are all fishing there.
That’s bollocks
The Labour vote is soft as babyfood. See how much it has slipped in 2 weeks of campaigning. Some polls have them down 7 points. No one is enthusiastic about Starmer, it’s just anti Tory sentiment
So there’s a huge target of Labour Remainers waiting to be tempted by an eu offer from the Lib Dem’s. People like @Roger and many many others
Millions of them. Also lots of media people
And they don’t offer it?? This is the one chance they will get. They are dumb as rocks
Just listen to you. Desperately trying to ramp a split in the centre left vote to ensure the right don’t get completely hammered.
Can't help feeling is that it from Labour? This country has a slew of problems that this government has ignored and that is it. In 2022 there were 329m appointments in primary care. So that is equivalent to an average of 6.32m appointments a week. To which Labour promise to add 40k. Or just over 0.6%.
They would produce more if they used the money to settle the junior doctors strike. Which they probably will.
Is this really the height of their ambition? It's pathetic.
It’s the Ming Vase strategy again. Offer a minimal target. The risk is that it’s SO boring voters go elsewhere (but not the Tories)
They are being seriously outflanked by the Lib Dems here. They are not close to addressing the scope of the problem. They are only getting away with it (if they are) because most of this country and almost all of its media are innumerate.
Indeed
This is why I am amazed the Lib Dems aren’t loudly going for “immediately rejoin single market” and “have rejoin referendum in first term”
I honestly think they could peel off several million Labour Remainers and overtake the Tories. This is their one big chance. And they’re not doing it??!!!
The voters that are easy to pick up at the moment is 2019 Conservative voters. So Labour, Reform and the LDs are all fishing there.
That’s bollocks
The Labour vote is soft as babyfood. See how much it has slipped in 2 weeks of campaigning. Some polls have them down 7 points. No one is enthusiastic about Starmer, it’s just anti Tory sentiment
So there’s a huge target of Labour Remainers waiting to be tempted by an eu offer from the Lib Dem’s. People like @Roger and many many others
Millions of them. Also lots of media people
And they don’t offer it?? This is the one chance they will get. They are dumb as rocks
They believe they tested a EU offer to destruction in 2019.
I’m not sure about your conclusion, though. The LDs are trying to win over blue seats who may well no longer believe in Brexit but don’t necessarily want to be reminded how foolish the proposition was.
No. I’m right they’re wrong and it’s idiotic
This is probably the one chance they will ever get, to overtake the Tories. And the only way to do it is to be radical on the EU. 2019 was a completely different election - that was the get Brexit done election
Now Brexit is done and the voters really dislike it. And I’m a Leaver! And still a Leaver. But I can read the polls and people are seriously regretful - that’s millions of votes going begging. Numbskulls
In YouGov’s latest, the Tories are in FIFTH PLACE behind Labour, Lib Dems, Greens and Reform.
Sorry if this has already been remarked upon.
It’s simply incredible how the Tories have self-immolated by abandoning economic literacy, the support of ambition, standards in governance, and the rule of law.
Can't help feeling is that it from Labour? This country has a slew of problems that this government has ignored and that is it. In 2022 there were 329m appointments in primary care. So that is equivalent to an average of 6.32m appointments a week. To which Labour promise to add 40k. Or just over 0.6%.
They would produce more if they used the money to settle the junior doctors strike. Which they probably will.
Is this really the height of their ambition? It's pathetic.
It’s the Ming Vase strategy again. Offer a minimal target. The risk is that it’s SO boring voters go elsewhere (but not the Tories)
They are being seriously outflanked by the Lib Dems here. They are not close to addressing the scope of the problem. They are only getting away with it (if they are) because most of this country and almost all of its media are innumerate.
Indeed
This is why I am amazed the Lib Dems aren’t loudly going for “immediately rejoin single market” and “have rejoin referendum in first term”
I honestly think they could peel off several million Labour Remainers and overtake the Tories. This is their one big chance. And they’re not doing it??!!!
The voters that are easy to pick up at the moment is 2019 Conservative voters. So Labour, Reform and the LDs are all fishing there.
That’s bollocks
The Labour vote is soft as babyfood. See how much it has slipped in 2 weeks of campaigning. Some polls have them down 7 points. No one is enthusiastic about Starmer, it’s just anti Tory sentiment
So there’s a huge target of Labour Remainers waiting to be tempted by an eu offer from the Lib Dem’s. People like @Roger and many many others
Millions of them. Also lots of media people
And they don’t offer it?? This is the one chance they will get. They are dumb as rocks
Just listen to you. Desperately trying to ramp a split in the centre left vote to ensure the right don’t get completely hammered.
But it’s coming.
Ffs I’m really not. You are all completely mad
I’m giving my honest opinion. No one cares what we say on an obscure geeky forum. I’m not trying to game the pb lurkerati
There is an EU open goal for the libs and they are Bonkers to ignore it
I note that Nigel Farage is warning of another "catfight" between Angela and Penny tonight. I'm sure many PBers will find such a prospect a huge turn off?
In YouGov’s latest, the Tories are in FIFTH PLACE behind Labour, Lib Dems, Greens and Reform.
Sorry if this has already been remarked upon.
It’s simply incredible how the Tories have self-immolated by abandoning economic literacy, the support of ambition, standards in governance, and the rule of law.
In YouGov’s latest, the Tories are in FIFTH PLACE behind Labour, Lib Dems, Greens and Reform.
Sorry if this has already been remarked upon.
It’s simply incredible how the Tories have self-immolated by abandoning economic literacy, the support of ambition, standards in governance, and the rule of law.
In YouGov’s latest, the Tories are in FIFTH PLACE behind Labour, Lib Dems, Greens and Reform.
Sorry if this has already been remarked upon.
It’s simply incredible how the Tories have self-immolated by abandoning economic literacy, the support of ambition, standards in governance, and the rule of law.
Its catching, apparently some people have been influenced to the extent that they struggle to order five numbers properly.
Can't help feeling is that it from Labour? This country has a slew of problems that this government has ignored and that is it. In 2022 there were 329m appointments in primary care. So that is equivalent to an average of 6.32m appointments a week. To which Labour promise to add 40k. Or just over 0.6%.
They would produce more if they used the money to settle the junior doctors strike. Which they probably will.
Is this really the height of their ambition? It's pathetic.
It’s the Ming Vase strategy again. Offer a minimal target. The risk is that it’s SO boring voters go elsewhere (but not the Tories)
They are being seriously outflanked by the Lib Dems here. They are not close to addressing the scope of the problem. They are only getting away with it (if they are) because most of this country and almost all of its media are innumerate.
Indeed
This is why I am amazed the Lib Dems aren’t loudly going for “immediately rejoin single market” and “have rejoin referendum in first term”
I honestly think they could peel off several million Labour Remainers and overtake the Tories. This is their one big chance. And they’re not doing it??!!!
The voters that are easy to pick up at the moment is 2019 Conservative voters. So Labour, Reform and the LDs are all fishing there.
That’s bollocks
The Labour vote is soft as babyfood. See how much it has slipped in 2 weeks of campaigning. Some polls have them down 7 points. No one is enthusiastic about Starmer, it’s just anti Tory sentiment
So there’s a huge target of Labour Remainers waiting to be tempted by an eu offer from the Lib Dem’s. People like @Roger and many many others
Millions of them. Also lots of media people
And they don’t offer it?? This is the one chance they will get. They are dumb as rocks
Still wittering on about Brexit and the EU? You're welcome to join the rest of us in the 2020s.
It's all about giving the Conservatives a kicking - you know that - and everyone's looking for the boot with which the job can be done whether it's a Labour boot, a Reform boot, an LD boot or even a Green boot.
The other part of the polls is the continued drift down of the Conservatives into the low 20s or even below.
The most successful political movement of the last 150 years by some measures and three weeks from an election they are polling 20%. No one can believe it - some on here still refuse to believe it and yet the evidence is there.
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He was a good looking man with an impressive career and single and in his 30s. And he tupped several women
File under: dog doesn’t even bite man, just barks a bit
And not a good one for macron. Just chaos he caused with a desperate move
No, strike that, reverse it. The TORIES are the nanny state doing the exact same thing she is attacking Labour for doing.
This is why the Tories are absolutely doomed. Can't accept reality, keep saying black is white. etc.
Giorgia
G-I-O-R-G-I-A
Why do I suspect I'm shouting at a brick wall?
They would produce more if they used the money to settle the junior doctors strike. Which they probably will.
Is this really the height of their ambition? It's pathetic.
I think she adds to the gaiety of the nation.
So PMs are rebranding whatever it is that they have already as AI, maybe smearing an LLM over the top so they can say they’re partnering with OpenAI or something.
Which makes it very hard to sort the actually innovative wheat from the enormous amounts of chaff...
target. The risk is that it’s SO boring voters go elsewhere (but not the Tories)
Think I'll just head off to the manifesto page on their website to be reassured about that:
...oh.
The manifesto's only interest is in what it doesn't say.
So one has the vague inclination to go to the air raid shelter but it means one will get absolutely drenched. And probably for nothing
What to do?
The rants from the stands are some of the most boring on the site.
So about 1895?
https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/Labour-Party-manifesto-2024.pdf
https://x.com/KyivIndependent/status/1801216513606897981
God help us. We are about to replace the world’s worst governments with the world’s even worse worst government. Where is the hope? The surprise? The dash for glory? Anything?
It’s gonna be woke micromanagement of endless decline
My DM is always open by the way. As with the Finland rumour.
I’m 1/8th Tamil. Which box should I tick?
This is why I am amazed the Lib Dems aren’t loudly going for “immediately rejoin single market” and “have rejoin referendum in first term”
I honestly think they could peel off several million Labour Remainers and overtake the Tories. This is their one big chance. And they’re not doing it??!!!
Are HR departments to be furnished with callipers?
1851 despatch from the US Envoy Plenipotentiary to St Petersburg
It is deeply frustrating.
And will give them a very weak mandate for change when in government.
I think the Nazis didn't care about people who were only one-eighth Jewish, so perhaps Labour will keep to that standard.
I hope they will do this stuff after getting elected. This stuff really is essential.
Peak woke has kind of happened here, so far as I can tell. Whereas when I join UK calls they (you?) seem to be heading ever deeper into the loony mines.
The Labour vote is soft as babyfood. See how much it has slipped in 2 weeks of campaigning. Some polls have them down 7 points. No one is enthusiastic about Starmer, it’s just anti Tory sentiment
So there’s a huge target of Labour Remainers waiting to be tempted by an eu offer from the Lib Dem’s. People like @Roger and many many others
Millions of them. Also lots of media people
And they don’t offer it?? This is the one chance they will get. They are dumb as rocks
Starmer is home and dry.
The NHS waiting list is like the Death Star . Every one of the Tories list of pledges get caught into the tractor beam.
I’m not sure about your conclusion, though.
The LDs are trying to win over blue seats who may well no longer believe in Brexit but don’t necessarily want to be reminded how foolish the proposition was.
I find it bizarre if any Tory complains about labour taking forward policies the Tories planned to implement anyway.
(As it stands, doesn't the Guidosquib work as a minor improvement to SKS's reputation by making him seem less boring?)
On the one hand, this shows there was no huge blunder to make a story about in the manifesto. But on the other, your manifesto launch should be *the* day when you get noticed in a campaign for the right reasons.
The WASPI women are disappointed so that's a plus.
“Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni appears to take a selfie as she waits for leaders to arrive at the G-7 summit at Borgo Egnazia
Latest: bloom.bg/3XtfP6y”
https://x.com/business/status/1801182702894203360?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
Under Labour’s new proposal, employers will have a statutory responsibility to track your race.
What next? Sexuality?
So not even an endorsement from her.
I do wonder if the franchises/contracts will end a lot quicker than expected.
But it’s coming.
This is probably the one chance they will ever get, to overtake the Tories. And the only way to do it is to be radical on the EU. 2019 was a completely different election - that was the get Brexit done election
Now Brexit is done and the voters really dislike it. And I’m a Leaver! And still a Leaver. But I can read the polls and people are seriously regretful - that’s millions of votes going begging. Numbskulls
You've helped to paint SKS as marginally more interesting to voters.
Sorry if this has already been remarked upon.
It’s simply incredible how the Tories have self-immolated by abandoning economic literacy, the support of ambition, standards in governance, and the rule of law.
Edit: with the under 50s!
I’m giving my honest opinion. No one cares what we say on an obscure geeky forum. I’m not trying to game the pb lurkerati
There is an EU open goal for the libs and they are
Bonkers to ignore it
*With the under 50s*
It's all about giving the Conservatives a kicking - you know that - and everyone's looking for the boot with which the job can be done whether it's a Labour boot, a Reform boot, an LD boot or even a Green boot.
The other part of the polls is the continued drift down of the Conservatives into the low 20s or even below.
The most successful political movement of the last 150 years by some measures and three weeks from an election they are polling 20%. No one can believe it - some on here still refuse to believe it and yet the evidence is there.