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  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,788

    I guess we'll be waiting a while.
    Is it be mean to @MoonRabbit day ?

    I think she adds to the gaiety of the nation.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,074
    mwadams said:

    Is that the Political Betting equivalent of "I do have a girlfriend but she lives in Canada"?
    ..


  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,794
    biggles said:

    1) Michael Green
    2) Erm, that’s it…
    Corinne Stockheath has provided marketing services on a pro bono basis.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,377
    Nigelb said:

    Is it be mean to @MoonRabbit day ?

    I think she adds to the gaiety of the nation.
    Chat shit, get banged.
  • Big_IanBig_Ian Posts: 67
    Leon said:

    I can give you something amazing on Sunak. After the election
    Worried it might damage his popularity?
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,146
    There are 3 local by-elections today. We have another Ind defence in Highland; and Ind elected as Labour in West Dunbartonshire; and a Con defence in Greenwich.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,242
    Leon said:

    Isn’t that basically what it is now? So macrons gamble will do… nothing. If that is the result
    Like Trudeaus snap election trying to benefit from a covid bump. The most boring outcome ever that one.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,126
    Nigelb said:

    Is it be mean to @MoonRabbit day ?

    I think she adds to the gaiety of the nation.
    I find reading her comments a salutary reminder what it must be like for others, trying to read some of my longer efforts.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,528
    Nigelb said:

    What do PB's tech fraternity make of the Palantir launch ?
    https://aip.palantir.com/workflow/d8d7117b-57de-41be-aba3-2955aa525c24

    Everybody has to have an AI strategy these days.

    So PMs are rebranding whatever it is that they have already as AI, maybe smearing an LLM over the top so they can say they’re partnering with OpenAI or something.

    Which makes it very hard to sort the actually innovative wheat from the enormous amounts of chaff...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,257
    DavidL said:

    Can't help feeling is that it from Labour? This country has a slew of problems that this government has ignored and that is it. In 2022 there were 329m appointments in primary care. So that is equivalent to an average of 6.32m appointments a week. To which Labour promise to add 40k. Or just over 0.6%.

    They would produce more if they used the money to settle the junior doctors strike. Which they probably will.

    Is this really the height of their ambition? It's pathetic.

    It’s the Ming Vase strategy again. Offer a minimal
    target. The risk is that it’s SO boring voters go elsewhere (but not the Tories)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,242

    But even as a teaser, it's rubbish.

    Guido has always been more sizzle than sausage, but where's the sizzle here?

    Even the plaintive mention of Boris is a bit sad.
    His heart's not in it. He doesn't like Starmer but hates Rishi and wants Farage to defeat the Tories, this doesn't help that at all.
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,243
    So Labour might not be promising radical change, but at least they'll run things competently and properly, avoiding really obvious foreseeable pitfalls of the type that the Conservatives keep stumbling into.

    Think I'll just head off to the manifesto page on their website to be reassured about that:



    ...oh.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,870

    No, it is definitely less interesting than the Labour manifesto. Which was designed by SMERSH to kill with boredom, I think.
    It has the singular advantage of being shorter.

    The manifesto's only interest is in what it doesn't say.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,257
    Tremendous rainstorm here in Odessa. PLUS a sequence of air raid sirens

    So one has the vague inclination to go to the air raid shelter but it means one will get absolutely drenched. And probably for nothing

    What to do?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,074

    I read the comment from @MoonRabbit and sniggered a little. Have to vote Tory or else you get a government who does nanny state stuff like banning adverts of junk food (as defined by pencil-pushing bureaucrats) to children, or the laborious High Fat Salt Sugar regulations.

    No, strike that, reverse it. The TORIES are the nanny state doing the exact same thing she is attacking Labour for doing.

    This is why the Tories are absolutely doomed. Can't accept reality, keep saying black is white. etc.

    Gentle tip: I skip over all your posts now.

    The rants from the stands are some of the most boring on the site.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,242
    slade said:

    There are 3 local by-elections today. We have another Ind defence in Highland; and Ind elected as Labour in West Dunbartonshire; and a Con defence in Greenwich.

    The last will be the turnaround Rishi needs.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,568
    ToryJim said:

    My guess the mid 1930s
    Before then

  • NemtynakhtNemtynakht Posts: 2,329
    glw said:

    Exactly what Paul Johnson at the IFS was saying. Working people will pay more tax because of fiscal drag, and there will still need to be significant tax increases as the alternative required cuts to spending are not viable.

    Every party is basically taking the electorate for fools.
    But only one party will have to follow through - this is a mistake by Labour, which is unlikely to cost them now but could feed a narrative later.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,257

    Before then

    Late Tsarist times but before the revolutions of 1905

    So about 1895?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,239
    stodge said:

    It's not about Freedom TO, it's about Freedom FROM.

    Freedom from Poverty, Hunger, Ignorance or to put it into more meaningful terms freedom from having to wait months or years for a hospital appointment, freedom from pain, freedom from fear of crime and freedom from becoming a victim not just of petty crime but freedom from corporate crime, freedom from being gouged by foreign-owned corporations and freedom from the pathetic services they provide.

    The Conservatives have had 14 years in Government to make it a better place for the citizens - they have failed dismally and completely. That's not to say there isn't a place for conservative thinking but that's not to be found in the current iteration of the Party.

    That Party needs to, pace Dracula, be held down and have a stake driven through its still beating heart.

    From there, perhaps, it can return as a genuinely conservative party interested in the welfare of all citizens.
    This thread is starting to read like a Pinter play
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,124
    edited June 2024

    Gentle tip: I skip over all your posts now.

    The rants from the stands are some of the most boring on the site.
    Lol.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,186

    The story seems to be that Sir Keir was a bit of a shagger in his younger years and had lots of girlfriends.

    So what?
    Seems praiseworthy. Good lawyers often work outside their briefs, don't they? :wink:
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,408
    edited June 2024
    Labour will introduce a new Race Equality Act with a right to equal pay and mandatory ethnicity pay gap reporting. (p. 88)

    https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/Labour-Party-manifesto-2024.pdf
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,013

    That's funny. I keep hearing people complaining at how the tax burden is at a record high.
    I'm surprised that the LibDems haven't said that if/when the economy allows they would move the Income Tax bands. This was popular when they did it in the coalition and is fairer than playing with NIC.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,126
    edited June 2024
    Argentina have joined the so-called Ramstein meetings that coordinate military support for Ukraine.

    https://x.com/KyivIndependent/status/1801216513606897981
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,323
    Taz said:

    Or "Finland", not that I think Rishi Sunak was the object of that non story.
    “Finland” was quite something. I hope it is true.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,124

    So Labour might not be promising radical change, but at least they'll run things competently and properly, avoiding really obvious foreseeable pitfalls of the type that the Conservatives keep stumbling into.

    Think I'll just head off to the manifesto page on their website to be reassured about that:



    ...oh.

    This would happen in the Lib Dem campaign, where seeming acts of incompetence are actually part of a master PR strategy.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,903
    Leon said:

    It’s the Ming Vase strategy again. Offer a minimal
    target. The risk is that it’s SO boring voters go elsewhere (but not the Tories)
    They are being seriously outflanked by the Lib Dems here. They are not close to addressing the scope of the problem. They are only getting away with it (if they are) because most of this country and almost all of its media are innumerate.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,257

    Labour will introduce a new Race Equality Act with a right to equal pay and mandatory ethnicity pay gap reporting.

    Another layer of pointless wokeness

    God help us. We are about to replace the world’s worst governments with the world’s even worse worst government. Where is the hope? The surprise? The dash for glory? Anything?

    It’s gonna be woke micromanagement of endless decline
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    Leon said:

    I can give you something amazing on Sunak. After the election
    What possible reason is there for having to wait until after the election? Has the King/MI5 sworn you to secrecy whilst Sunak is PM?

    My DM is always open by the way. As with the Finland rumour.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,323
    Farooq said:

    It's for the best. They'll fuck you anyway, so you may as well enjoy it.
    “A lawyer with his briefcase can steal more than a hundred men with guns.”
  • What possible reason is there for having to wait until after the election? Has the King/MI5 sworn you to secrecy whilst Sunak is PM?

    My DM is always open by the way. As with the Finland rumour.
    As is mine!
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,124

    Labour will introduce a new Race Equality Act with a right to equal pay and mandatory ethnicity pay gap reporting. (p. 88)

    https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/Labour-Party-manifesto-2024.pdf

    Urgh.
    I’m 1/8th Tamil. Which box should I tick?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,257
    DavidL said:

    They are being seriously outflanked by the Lib Dems here. They are not close to addressing the scope of the problem. They are only getting away with it (if they are) because most of this country and almost all of its media are innumerate.
    Indeed

    This is why I am amazed the Lib Dems aren’t loudly going for “immediately rejoin single market” and “have rejoin referendum in first term”

    I honestly think they could peel off several million Labour Remainers and overtake the Tories. This is their one big chance. And they’re not doing it??!!!
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,186
    Sean_F said:

    “Finland” was quite something. I hope it is true.
    Accusations of someone being a vote Tampere? :wink:
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,408

    Urgh.
    I’m 1/8th Tamil. Which box should I tick?
    You'll need to call Equality Lawyers R Us to claim your back pay.
  • Starmer is utterly squeaky clean. If there was anything explosive it would have come out by now.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,864
    Eabhal said:

    Wtf is that story by Guido. Even I've had a more complicated love life than Starmer, and I've been blessed with some long, stable relationships.

    Consider the divorce rate. Starmer must be among the more reliable partners anyone can expect.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCRZZC-DH7M
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,323

    Urgh.
    I’m 1/8th Tamil. Which box should I tick?
    I don’t see what it adds. The laws against racial discrimination are pretty stringent.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,124
    The sorting of people into racial categories within private employment is beyond ghastly.

    Are HR departments to be furnished with callipers?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,568
    slade said:

    I am reminded of Nicholas 1 - The
    Gendarme of Europe'. So 1849?
    Very good

    1851 despatch from the US Envoy Plenipotentiary to St Petersburg
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,005
    Leon said:

    It’s the Ming Vase strategy again. Offer a minimal
    target. The risk is that it’s SO boring voters go elsewhere (but not the Tories)
    The manifesto, like everything else in their campaign for months, is aimed at a few tens of thousands of swing voters.

    It is deeply frustrating.

    And will give them a very weak mandate for change when in government.

  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,000
    Leon said:

    Indeed

    This is why I am amazed the Lib Dems aren’t loudly going for “immediately rejoin single market” and “have rejoin referendum in first term”

    I honestly think they could peel off several million Labour Remainers and overtake the Tories. This is their one big chance. And they’re not doing it??!!!
    The voters that are easy to pick up at the moment is 2019 Conservative voters. So Labour, Reform and the LDs are all fishing there.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,126

    Urgh.
    I’m 1/8th Tamil. Which box should I tick?
    A tick for each of your great-grandparents, perhaps?

    I think the Nazis didn't care about people who were only one-eighth Jewish, so perhaps Labour will keep to that standard.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,929

    Ugh.

    🔴
    @UKLabour
    commits to introducing the Independent Football Regulator in their manifesto:

    ⚫ Give fans a greater say in the way their clubs are run
    ⚫ Ensure financial sustainability of football clubs
    ⚫ No to closed shop leagues


    https://x.com/FairGameUK/status/1801207402470965324

    I'm quite sure that many Premier league clubs would just quite like it if their local fans just buggered off and found something else to do. Then they could just sell all their TV rights to India and China and not have to worry about the 'local community' and that sort of rubbish.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,257

    The sorting of people into racial categories within private employment is beyond ghastly.

    Are HR departments to be furnished with callipers?

    Labour are going for ultra wokeness just as the tide turns against it in the USA. They could be left very exposed
  • glw said:

    It's a rational idea but a guaranteed vote loser. The number of people who would vote Labour because of it would be massively outnumbered by the NIMBYs/BANANAs who wouldn't.
    Aren't Labour already proposing planning reform?

    I hope they will do this stuff after getting elected. This stuff really is essential.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022

    Starmer is utterly squeaky clean. If there was anything explosive it would have come out by now.

    You are Julian Clary and I claim my £10.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,124
    Leon said:

    Labour are going for ultra wokeness just as the tide turns against it in the USA. They could be left very exposed
    Indeed.
    Peak woke has kind of happened here, so far as I can tell. Whereas when I join UK calls they (you?) seem to be heading ever deeper into the loony mines.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,257

    The voters that are easy to pick up at the moment is 2019 Conservative voters. So Labour, Reform and the LDs are all fishing there.
    That’s bollocks

    The Labour vote is soft as babyfood. See how much it has slipped in 2 weeks of campaigning. Some polls have them down 7 points. No one is enthusiastic about Starmer, it’s just anti Tory sentiment

    So there’s a huge target of Labour Remainers waiting to be tempted by an eu offer from the Lib Dem’s. People like @Roger and many many others

    Millions of them. Also lots of media people

    And they don’t offer it?? This is the one chance they will get. They are dumb as rocks
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,257

    Indeed.
    Peak woke has kind of happened here, so far as I can tell. Whereas when I join UK calls they (you?) seem to be heading ever deeper into the loony mines.
    You’re not imagining it
  • A safety first and "boring" Labour manifesto.

    Starmer is home and dry.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    Labours manifesto could have just been zip and what will sink Sunak is today’s NHS waiting list numbers .

    The NHS waiting list is like the Death Star . Every one of the Tories list of pledges get caught into the tractor beam.

  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,124
    Leon said:

    That’s bollocks

    The Labour vote is soft as babyfood. See how much it has slipped in 2 weeks of campaigning. Some polls have them down 7 points. No one is enthusiastic about Starmer, it’s just anti Tory sentiment

    So there’s a huge target of Labour Remainers waiting to be tempted by an eu offer from the Lib Dem’s. People like @Roger and many many others

    Millions of them. Also lots of media people

    And they don’t offer it?? This is the one chance they will get. They are dumb as rocks
    They believe they tested a EU offer to destruction in 2019.

    I’m not sure about your conclusion, though.
    The LDs are trying to win over blue seats who may well no longer believe in Brexit but don’t necessarily want to be reminded how foolish the proposition was.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    Sean_F said:

    “A lawyer with his briefcase can steal more than a hundred men with guns.”
    "I got the shotgun; you got the briefcase." - Omar Little
  • NemtynakhtNemtynakht Posts: 2,329
    Leon said:

    The rumour is “he had a sex life”

    If he did NOT that would actually be more unusual and interesting. Pathetic! We want zebras and midgets
    Guido has been trailing this for ages - is that it? Hardly the epitome of progressivism to have loved with a few people, and they got married to other people in your social circle.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,788

    Chat shit, get banged.
    An admirably direct pickup technique.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    Any polling due today?
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    Sean_F said:

    “Finland” was quite something. I hope it is true.
    I thought you were a conservative.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,096

    I read the comment from @MoonRabbit and sniggered a little. Have to vote Tory or else you get a government who does nanny state stuff like banning adverts of junk food (as defined by pencil-pushing bureaucrats) to children, or the laborious High Fat Salt Sugar regulations.

    No, strike that, reverse it. The TORIES are the nanny state doing the exact same thing she is attacking Labour for doing.

    This is why the Tories are absolutely doomed. Can't accept reality, keep saying black is white. etc.

    The Tories are doing all this sort of stuff and are fully on board with it.

    I find it bizarre if any Tory complains about labour taking forward policies the Tories planned to implement anyway.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,147
    Nigelb said:

    An admirably direct pickup technique.
    Though not, one imagines, the one Starmer used.

    (As it stands, doesn't the Guidosquib work as a minor improvement to SKS's reputation by making him seem less boring?)
  • As @CorrectHorseBattery said many years ago now, Labour has owned the immigration issue unlike 2015.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,126
    edited June 2024
    Guardian live blog have changed their headline to the apology over the days of election bet, deeming that a bigger story than the Labour manifesto launch.

    On the one hand, this shows there was no huge blunder to make a story about in the manifesto. But on the other, your manifesto launch should be *the* day when you get noticed in a campaign for the right reasons.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,794

    I'm quite sure that many Premier league clubs would just quite like it if their local fans just buggered off and found something else to do. Then they could just sell all their TV rights to India and China and not have to worry about the 'local community' and that sort of rubbish.
    There are lots of Nu Football Fans on PB, unfortunately, who support Big Six clubs while having absolutely no link to their locale.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,096
    edited June 2024
    Not a great deal on pensions in there. I was expecting far more.

    The WASPI women are disappointed so that's a plus.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,257
    This is why I am slightly in love with Giorgia Meloni. She’s spontaneous and fun. And smart. And quite cute

    “Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni appears to take a selfie as she waits for leaders to arrive at the G-7 summit at Borgo Egnazia

    Latest: bloom.bg/3XtfP6y”

    https://x.com/business/status/1801182702894203360?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,124
    Let’s just stop for a second.

    Under Labour’s new proposal, employers will have a statutory responsibility to track your race.
    What next? Sexuality?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,126

    There are lots of Nu Football Fans on PB, unfortunately, who support Big Six clubs while having absolutely no link to their locale.
    My team are in the Big Eight. ;-)
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 876

    Michelle Mone?
    Reportedly she's left the Conservative party in a huff over her non-involvement in PPE Medpro.
    So not even an endorsement from her.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,255

    Let’s just stop for a second.

    Under Labour’s new proposal, employers will have a statutory responsibility to track your race.
    What next? Sexuality?

    Don’t give them any ideas.
  • "We will put passengers at the heart of the service by reforming the railways and bringing them into public ownership. We will do this as contracts with existing operators expire or are broken through a failure to deliver, without costing taxpayers a penny in compensation."

    I do wonder if the franchises/contracts will end a lot quicker than expected.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,000
    Leon said:

    That’s bollocks

    The Labour vote is soft as babyfood. See how much it has slipped in 2 weeks of campaigning. Some polls have them down 7 points. No one is enthusiastic about Starmer, it’s just anti Tory sentiment

    So there’s a huge target of Labour Remainers waiting to be tempted by an eu offer from the Lib Dem’s. People like @Roger and many many others

    Millions of them. Also lots of media people

    And they don’t offer it?? This is the one chance they will get. They are dumb as rocks
    It is indeed anti Tory sentiment. So they vote for whichever of Labour, Reform or LD is best placed to beat the Tories and reflects local tastes.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,568

    Very good


    1851 despatch from the US Envoy
    Plenipotentiary to St Petersburg

    Bonus points for @Farooq and @Nigelb for highlighting the underlying point even if they didn’t get the answer right
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,859
    Leon said:

    That’s bollocks

    The Labour vote is soft as babyfood. See how much it has slipped in 2 weeks of campaigning. Some polls have them down 7 points. No one is enthusiastic about Starmer, it’s just anti Tory sentiment

    So there’s a huge target of Labour Remainers waiting to be tempted by an eu offer from the Lib Dem’s. People like @Roger and many many others

    Millions of them. Also lots of media people

    And they don’t offer it?? This is the one chance they will get. They are dumb as rocks
    Just listen to you. Desperately trying to ramp a split in the centre left vote to ensure the right don’t get completely hammered.

    But it’s coming.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,794
    Leon said:

    This is why I am slightly in love with Giorgia Meloni. She’s spontaneous and fun. And smart. And quite cute

    “Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni appears to take a selfie as she waits for leaders to arrive at the G-7 summit at Borgo Egnazia

    Latest: bloom.bg/3XtfP6y”

    https://x.com/business/status/1801182702894203360?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    You’re learning. Well done.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,257

    They believe they tested a EU offer to destruction in 2019.

    I’m not sure about your conclusion, though.
    The LDs are trying to win over blue seats who may well no longer believe in Brexit but don’t necessarily want to be reminded how foolish the proposition was.
    No. I’m right they’re wrong and it’s idiotic

    This is probably the one chance they will ever get, to overtake the Tories. And the only way to do it is to be radical on the EU. 2019 was a completely different election - that was the get Brexit done election

    Now Brexit is done and the voters really dislike it. And I’m a Leaver! And still a Leaver. But I can read the polls and people are seriously regretful - that’s millions of votes going begging. Numbskulls
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,731
    Thanks Guido.
    You've helped to paint SKS as marginally more interesting to voters.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,124
    edited June 2024
    In YouGov’s latest, the Tories are in FIFTH PLACE behind Labour, Lib Dems, Greens and Reform.

    Sorry if this has already been remarked upon.

    It’s simply incredible how the Tories have self-immolated by abandoning economic literacy, the support of ambition, standards in governance, and the rule of law.

    Edit: with the under 50s!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,257



    Just listen to you. Desperately trying to ramp a split in the centre left vote to ensure the right don’t get completely hammered.

    But it’s coming.
    Ffs I’m really not. You are all completely mad

    I’m giving my honest opinion. No one cares what we say on an obscure geeky forum. I’m not trying to game the pb lurkerati

    There is an EU open goal for the libs and they are
    Bonkers to ignore it
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,794
    I note that Nigel Farage is warning of another "catfight" between Angela and Penny tonight. I'm sure many PBers will find such a prospect a huge turn off?
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,255

    In YouGov’s latest, the Tories are in FIFTH PLACE behind Labour, Lib Dems, Greens and Reform.

    Sorry if this has already been remarked upon.

    It’s simply incredible how the Tories have self-immolated by abandoning economic literacy, the support of ambition, standards in governance, and the rule of law.

    Wha?! Did I miss this?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,242
    Leon said:

    Labour are going for ultra wokeness just as the tide turns against it in the USA. They could be left very exposed
    In 5 years maybe.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,217
    Off topic, but many of you will enjoy this cartoon: https://www.gocomics.com/wumo/2024/06/13
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,124

    Wha?! Did I miss this?
    Sorry, big correction.

    *With the under 50s*
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,000

    In YouGov’s latest, the Tories are in FIFTH PLACE behind Labour, Lib Dems, Greens and Reform.

    Sorry if this has already been remarked upon.

    It’s simply incredible how the Tories have self-immolated by abandoning economic literacy, the support of ambition, standards in governance, and the rule of law.

    Its catching, apparently some people have been influenced to the extent that they struggle to order five numbers properly.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,377
    Leon said:

    That’s bollocks

    The Labour vote is soft as babyfood. See how much it has slipped in 2 weeks of campaigning. Some polls have them down 7 points. No one is enthusiastic about Starmer, it’s just anti Tory sentiment

    So there’s a huge target of Labour Remainers waiting to be tempted by an eu offer from the Lib Dem’s. People like @Roger and many many others

    Millions of them. Also lots of media people

    And they don’t offer it?? This is the one chance they will get. They are dumb as rocks
    Still wittering on about Brexit and the EU? You're welcome to join the rest of us in the 2020s.

    It's all about giving the Conservatives a kicking - you know that - and everyone's looking for the boot with which the job can be done whether it's a Labour boot, a Reform boot, an LD boot or even a Green boot.

    The other part of the polls is the continued drift down of the Conservatives into the low 20s or even below.

    The most successful political movement of the last 150 years by some measures and three weeks from an election they are polling 20%. No one can believe it - some on here still refuse to believe it and yet the evidence is there.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,257

    Sorry, big correction.

    *With the under 50s*
    It is still quite mindblowing
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,377

    NEW THREAD

  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,794

    In YouGov’s latest, the Tories are in FIFTH PLACE behind Labour, Lib Dems, Greens and Reform.

    Sorry if this has already been remarked upon.

    It’s simply incredible how the Tories have self-immolated by abandoning economic literacy, the support of ambition, standards in governance, and the rule of law.

    Edit: with the under 50s!

    Unweighted subsample alert?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,408

    Sorry, big correction.

    *With the under 50s*
    And Reform are ahead among the 18-24s.

    When the pendulum swings back to the right, it won't be another round of reheated Blairism.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    Just another day on the New York subway.

    https://x.com/HenMazzig/status/1800554756957708488

    "Okay no Zionists, we're good." The crowd cheers.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    Sean_F said:

    “Finland” was quite something. I hope it is true.
    I dpon't know why I post cutting puns if nobody even notices.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,124

    Just another day on the New York subway.

    https://x.com/HenMazzig/status/1800554756957708488

    "Okay no Zionists, we're good." The crowd cheers.

    This is where all the woke energy has gone.
    Tho I take the subway every day and I haven’t actually seen anything like this, so I wouldn’t call it “just another day”.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,074

    Let’s just stop for a second.

    Under Labour’s new proposal, employers will have a statutory responsibility to track your race.
    What next? Sexuality?

    Have you not seen how every corporation worth its salt has (again) changed its company logo to the latest version of the Pride flag for the month of June?

    Again.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,859
    Leon said:



    Ffs I’m really not. You are all completely mad

    I’m giving my honest opinion. No one cares what we say on an obscure geeky forum. I’m not trying to game the pb lurkerati

    There is an EU open goal for the libs and they are
    Bonkers to ignore it

    Brexit is done, like it or not. There is little point in reopening that wound, it will only benefit the right. I’m driven by revenge and the revenge I want to see is the Tory granderati losing their seats, and the Faragists gaining few or none.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,074

    Thanks Guido.
    You've helped to paint SKS as marginally more interesting to voters.

    His father was a toolmaker, and he certainly knew how to use it.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,124

    Have you not seen how every corporation worth its salt has (again) changed its company logo to the latest version of the Pride flag for the month of June?

    Again.
    I have and I just accept it as part of the calendar.
    I have some petty philosophical objections but in the end i think it’s largely harmless and good to recognise diversity in the fullest sense.

    Indeed my townhall later this month will be pride-themed, and I’m planning to open with “You Make Me Feel (Mighty Real)” by Sylvester.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,953

    I have and I just accept it as part of the calendar.
    I have some petty philosophical objections but in the end i think it’s largely harmless and good to recognise diversity in the fullest sense.

    Indeed my townhall later this month will be pride-themed, and I’m planning to open with “You Make Me Feel (Mighty Real)” by Sylvester.
    I do not want my race, or sexuality, to be recorded under mandate by law by either government or private companies.

    Look at IBM's complicity in the Holocaust if you want to understand why.

  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,124
    kyf_100 said:

    I do not want my race, or sexuality, to be recorded under mandate by law by either government or private companies.

    Look at IBM's complicity in the Holocaust if you want to understand why.

    I agree entirely.
    But I think celebrating “pride” is not un-positive.

    Of course the corporate virtue signalling is a bit silly, but almost all public life is nowadays.
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