There's Really no Way to Rescue the Situation Here.
John Mearsheimer: But my sense is that deep down at this point in time, most people fully understand that Ukraine is doomed. The only interesting question at this point in time is how much territory are the Russians going to capture before this turns into a frozen conflict? But there's really no way to rescue the situation here. The Ukrainians are simply doomed. They can't fix the manpower problem. And with regard to the weaponry problem, we don't have the weaponry to give them. And we're not going to be able to spin up the industrial base to provide them, even in 2025, with enough weaponry to rescue the situation. But, again, even if we give them the weaponry, they have a huge manpower problem. And the Russians just get stronger and stronger. Putin is on a roll. The Russians are on a roll. So I think that what you're going to see here is what I call an ugly russian victory.
Thanks for the confirmation that you are today's Russian troll.
BTW due to lack of Moderators you will probably be able to post more posts than previous trolls (great for your performance review) but I suspect most of us will be ignoring you...
One of Sunak's better moments was the way he dealt with the gotcha question on private medical treatment with a straightforward "yes". Starmer's answer sounded like it belonged to another era and will be a hostage to fortune.
I am still struggling with why Starmer would even dream of saying no to a question that most people like Sunak would not have even hesitated to say yes too, and I think there will be some cut through with that bizarre answer with those that were watching the debate.
The correct answer for someone responsible for providing healthcare to the population is "if it's good enough for you, it's good enough for me." Starmer gave the correct answer; Sunak gave the incorrect answer.
The issue I suppose is whether it's better to be believable than correct. As this is a political debate I'm not sure it is better.
Good morning
I simply do not believe Starmer would not put his family first in the circumstances of a medical emergency and his answer was simply political and dishonest
Private care isn't about emergencies though. Emergency care is pretty much only via the NHS, which is why it matters to us all. A multimillionaire acquaintance of mine found this out when his mum fractured her hip. There is no alternative to the local Emergency Dept in that situation (Bangor in that case).
If it was a requirement that all elected politicians could only use the NHS and State Schools then I suspect that this would concentrate their minds on improving things for the rest of us quite noticeably!
Private healthcare is not without risk. After a close family member picked up a life threatening infection at a luxurious private hospital, which then had to be fixed by the NHS, I think it’s perfectly reasonable to reject the allure of quick fixes in the private sector and believe the NHS option is best.
Because of course the NHS never has problems with its care. :
Sure, but the point is that it’s perfectly reasonable to believe that private medicine is not the answer, nor the best option.
Several members of my family have use private medical care and it most certainly in their cases was the best option not least my daughter who had an urgent private scan that ruled out cancer
Great!
But don't you think everyone should be able to have an urgent scan, not just those who have the disposable income/savings to afford it?
The reason the NHS is failing rich people is that too few poor people are getting early interventions. Doom loop.
I'm sceptical private healthcare improves the overall provision. If a system is capacity constrained anyone bumped up the queue ipso facto pushes everyone else back. Possibly private medicine brings more money and investment into the system. Overall people care that they get the treatment and it's affordable and probably don't care whether they fund it through taxation or pay for it separately.
Fundamentally I think private healthcare pushes provision towards ability to pay than to need. The American system is an extreme example of an inequitable and inefficient system like this.
Private healthcare also provides examples of what is possible. My daughter had an issue. NHS slow motion ensues. Each specialist ordered a single test. Wait. Rule something out.... Waaaaait.
The private chap ordered the MRI, Xray etc in advance. Then called us in. Then gave a diagnosis that turned out to be correct on the spot.
The hypothesis to test here I think is that multiple tests are deemed not the best value use of a very limited budget. As you have plenty of spare money you are less constrained in your vfm calculation. So the question I think is whether multiple tests would be a good use of additional money being made available. I totally get your wanting the best for your daughter but someone aiming to get the best medical outcomes for a whole population needs to make trade offs. Treatment according to ability to pay rather on need undermines the objective of best medical outcomes for a population.
The NHS way of doing it was to
1) See a consultant 2) He ordered a a test 3) See the consultant 4) Another test 5) etc
Test data is cheap compared to consultants time - and it is cheap (relatively) to buy more MRI machines, X ray machines and find the staff to run them. Consultants are *rare* and it takes a decade to make a new one.
Tests *used* to be far more expensive.
This is classic OR stuff.
EDIT: The other classic NHS thing is joined up behaviour. Or lack of it. A relative, in hospital, just nearly died from neglect. The operation was a brilliant success - but the patient nearly died. It took a letter to the head of the Trust to get someone to pull their finger out.
Actually MRI's are restricted with say 1 per hospital while there is more than 1 consultant in a hospital.
I noticed this last week were Clinical Decisions had a sign saying they had 1 MRI slot a day (because otherwise it's fully booked x weeks in advance).
Now the fix is definitely more MRI machines but they are expensive to purchase maintain and run...
The last one purchased at Chesterfield was funded by a Charity cost £550k at the time but this was a top of the range thig from memory
Tucker Carlson on Meeting Klaus Schwab & What Motivates the Ruling Class
"He's like an elderly idiot who seems a little senile, doesn't have any idea what he's talking about...The closer you get, the more you realize the people running things are mediocre. Like buffoons."
There's Really no Way to Rescue the Situation Here.
John Mearsheimer: But my sense is that deep down at this point in time, most people fully understand that Ukraine is doomed. The only interesting question at this point in time is how much territory are the Russians going to capture before this turns into a frozen conflict? But there's really no way to rescue the situation here. The Ukrainians are simply doomed. They can't fix the manpower problem. And with regard to the weaponry problem, we don't have the weaponry to give them. And we're not going to be able to spin up the industrial base to provide them, even in 2025, with enough weaponry to rescue the situation. But, again, even if we give them the weaponry, they have a huge manpower problem. And the Russians just get stronger and stronger. Putin is on a roll. The Russians are on a roll. So I think that what you're going to see here is what I call an ugly russian victory.
Thanks for the confirmation that you are today's Russian troll.
BTW due to lack of Moderators you will probably be able to post more posts than previous trolls (great for your performance review) but I suspect most of us will be ignoring you...
It's only Tuesday. What's going on?
More trolls - because there is an election on Fewer mods - TSE is in hospital with an abscess that required an operation..
Just seen this - not sure how official it is but seems worthy of being the photo I'm allowed today
You need to add the Labour we wont put up taxes Party lie perhaps. Nice that Labour supporters are so low that they have resorted to Trumpian campaign tactics. SAD
Whoever wins taxes will go up and they will come for our ISA's and Savings and Pensions in one way or another.
This could very well come back and bite labour post election when taxes start to go up in other areas to fund their spending pledges.
“Rishi Sunak lied to the British public” - Labour on the £2k tax claim.
I listened to a conservative adviser this morning who said that the party is delighted with the row as it takes Labour's NHS arguments off the table and highlights Labour and taxation and the longer it is drawn out the more they are content to discuss it
Looks as if you are playing into their hands on this
Big G, you'll remember 1992 and Jennifer's Ear. Labour were happy to have the debate on the NHS, it's normally home turf for the red team, just like taxation is good terrain for the blues. That skirmish didn't work out too well for Labour then and I don't think this will work out well for the Conservatives. The Prime Minister lying directly to the public is not a good look.
You forget that Labour accuse the conservatives of a 49 billion hole over NI which if we are talking of lying is the same as will be seen when the manifesto are published
COVID Was a Hospital Holocaust, and the Ventilators Are the New Gas Chambers
"The only place anybody was dying was in our hospitals. And it's because they were dying of the treatments."
"It was not COVID that was killing...patients, it was the complete...medical mismanagement of COVID. It was the remdesivir, ventilator, death—wash, rinse, repeat."
Critical Care RN, whistleblower, and Founder/Executive Director of Nurse Freedom Network Kimberly Overton describes for Peter Santilli how it was not COVID killing people in hospitals, but rather the (federally distributed) treatment protocols themselves.
Cumulative immigration to UK since 2021: India: 670k Nigeria: 310k China: 274k Pakistan: 166k HK: 131k Ukraine: 108k Even if u subtract students you're talking abt 301k from India & 103k from Nigeria. Whatever your priors on migration, there's no disputing these are BIG numbers.
Absolute fucking insanity. May the Tories die in their stupid ditch and never recover
And all the arguments are about the 10k who came across by boat from France. Once again, our politicians will not discuss the real issues.
What we really need is to ascertain how many of those were students and dependents of students, how many are going home again and what the rest are earning.
BTW did you see that Imperial is second ranked in the world for Universities and that the UK has 3 of the top 5? Quite a remarkable achievement for a country of under 70m people.
Breakdowns by age too - but I’ve used my one photo:
A majority of Britain’s young people do not believe Israel should exist, a new UnHerd poll has revealed.
A preliminary finding of an exclusive survey of 1,012 voters about foreign policy, conducted by Focaldata and due to be released tomorrow on UnHerd, found that a striking 54% of 18-24-year-olds agreed with the statement that “the state of Israel should not exist.” Just 21% disagreed.
Agreement to the statement declines fairly steadily by age - reaching 7% with the 65+.
Blame for the situation in Gaza follows a similar pattern.
There's Really no Way to Rescue the Situation Here.
John Mearsheimer: But my sense is that deep down at this point in time, most people fully understand that Ukraine is doomed. The only interesting question at this point in time is how much territory are the Russians going to capture before this turns into a frozen conflict? But there's really no way to rescue the situation here. The Ukrainians are simply doomed. They can't fix the manpower problem. And with regard to the weaponry problem, we don't have the weaponry to give them. And we're not going to be able to spin up the industrial base to provide them, even in 2025, with enough weaponry to rescue the situation. But, again, even if we give them the weaponry, they have a huge manpower problem. And the Russians just get stronger and stronger. Putin is on a roll. The Russians are on a roll. So I think that what you're going to see here is what I call an ugly russian victory.
Thanks for the confirmation that you are today's Russian troll.
BTW due to lack of Moderators you will probably be able to post more posts than previous trolls (great for your performance review) but I suspect most of us will be ignoring you...
Tucker Carlson on Meeting Klaus Schwab & What Motivates the Ruling Class
"He's like an elderly idiot who seems a little senile, doesn't have any idea what he's talking about...The closer you get, the more you realize the people running things are mediocre. Like buffoons."
🔥CAN BIDEN BOIL AN EGG?🔥“I'd love to see Joe Biden give an interview where he could speak on the history of the US in the same way Putin talked about the history of his country” Tucker: "I would like Biden to do an interview where he would show how to operate a microwave." 🤣
“Rishi Sunak lied to the British public” - Labour on the £2k tax claim.
I listened to a conservative adviser this morning who said that the party is delighted with the row as it takes Labour's NHS arguments off the table and highlights Labour and taxation and the longer it is drawn out the more they are content to discuss it
Looks as if you are playing into their hands on this
Big G, you'll remember 1992 and Jennifer's Ear. Labour were happy to have the debate on the NHS, it's normally home turf for the red team, just like taxation is good terrain for the blues. That skirmish didn't work out too well for Labour then and I don't think this will work out well for the Conservatives. The Prime Minister lying directly to the public is not a good look.
You forget that Labour accuse the conservatives of a 49 billion hole over NI which if we are talking of lying is the same as will be seen when the manifesto are published
When did Labour pretend that number came from HM Treasury?
“Rishi Sunak lied to the British public” - Labour on the £2k tax claim.
I listened to a conservative adviser this morning who said that the party is delighted with the row as it takes Labour's NHS arguments off the table and highlights Labour and taxation and the longer it is drawn out the more they are content to discuss it
Looks as if you are playing into their hands on this
Big G, you'll remember 1992 and Jennifer's Ear. Labour were happy to have the debate on the NHS, it's normally home turf for the red team, just like taxation is good terrain for the blues. That skirmish didn't work out too well for Labour then and I don't think this will work out well for the Conservatives. The Prime Minister lying directly to the public is not a good look.
You forget that Labour accuse the conservatives of a 49 billion hole over NI which if we are talking of lying is the same as will be seen when the manifesto are published
When did Labour pretend that number came from HM Treasury?
Got to say the problem with your typical Russian Troll is that their debate points are boringly predictable:-
The covid vaccines will kill you Ukraine will lose the war Russian is great (for reasons that make zero sense to anyone not brainwashed in Russia)...
I dont believe 1 or 3 but think 2 is substantively correct depending what winning losing actually means.
I think any solution will involve Ukraine having less land than before the invasion. Whats the alternative logic?
1 is correct if he said "can". But it is all risk. The risk of Covid versus the risk of the vaccine. It is certainly no reason not to take the vaccine.
I think you are right on Ukraine too. Whatever solution there is it will end up with a negotiation of some sorts. Land will be lost. The West won't want to keep funding Ukraine forever. Better to take a negotiation and shore up the defenses of NATO countries.
Just seen this - not sure how official it is but seems worthy of being the photo I'm allowed today
You need to add the Labour we wont put up taxes Party lie perhaps. Nice that Labour supporters are so low that they have resorted to Trumpian campaign tactics. SAD
They seem to be in a complete panic over the issue
The Tories? Yes. Their leader being called out as an out and out liar is not a good look.
Just seen this - not sure how official it is but seems worthy of being the photo I'm allowed today
You need to add the Labour we wont put up taxes Party lie perhaps. Nice that Labour supporters are so low that they have resorted to Trumpian campaign tactics. SAD
Whoever wins taxes will go up and they will come for our ISA's and Savings and Pensions in one way or another.
This could very well come back and bite labour post election when taxes start to go up in other areas to fund their spending pledges.
Reducing the amount you can protect in an ISA is a no-brainer. £20,000 per year is a huge amount of money.
Tucker Carlson on Meeting Klaus Schwab & What Motivates the Ruling Class
"He's like an elderly idiot who seems a little senile, doesn't have any idea what he's talking about...The closer you get, the more you realize the people running things are mediocre. Like buffoons."
🔥CAN BIDEN BOIL AN EGG?🔥“I'd love to see Joe Biden give an interview where he could speak on the history of the US in the same way Putin talked about the history of his country” Tucker: "I would like Biden to do an interview where he would show how to operate a microwave." 🤣
You're very easily pleased/a six-year-old is posting from your account today (should at least improve the quality of your posts)
I've only skimmed, but there's a notable lack of any obvious link between vaccines and excess deaths (not to mention the issues with excess deaths as a measure, after lockdowns). They have some interesting data, but they oversell it quite badly - I'd have had plenty of objections at peer review. If they'd found anything substantive this would be in bmj or Lancet or somewhere reputable like NEJM. Even having said that, the Telegraph, Farage and other loons are overselling it way beyond even what the authors are saying.
There's also the outright untruth that governments don't make detailed death data available. The UK does. I've used it - full cause of death and underlying causes are available. The data aren't always great due to different interpretations of recording, but they are there.
Cumulative immigration to UK since 2021: India: 670k Nigeria: 310k China: 274k Pakistan: 166k HK: 131k Ukraine: 108k Even if u subtract students you're talking abt 301k from India & 103k from Nigeria. Whatever your priors on migration, there's no disputing these are BIG numbers.
Tucker Carlson on Meeting Klaus Schwab & What Motivates the Ruling Class
"He's like an elderly idiot who seems a little senile, doesn't have any idea what he's talking about...The closer you get, the more you realize the people running things are mediocre. Like buffoons."
🔥CAN BIDEN BOIL AN EGG?🔥“I'd love to see Joe Biden give an interview where he could speak on the history of the US in the same way Putin talked about the history of his country” Tucker: "I would like Biden to do an interview where he would show how to operate a microwave." 🤣
You're very easily pleased/a six-year-old is posting from your account today (should at least improve the quality of your posts)
Maybe you can learn from him about how to be more interesting.
Tucker Carlson on Meeting Klaus Schwab & What Motivates the Ruling Class
"He's like an elderly idiot who seems a little senile, doesn't have any idea what he's talking about...The closer you get, the more you realize the people running things are mediocre. Like buffoons."
🔥CAN BIDEN BOIL AN EGG?🔥“I'd love to see Joe Biden give an interview where he could speak on the history of the US in the same way Putin talked about the history of his country” Tucker: "I would like Biden to do an interview where he would show how to operate a microwave." 🤣
You're very easily pleased/a six-year-old is posting from your account today (should at least improve the quality of your posts)
Maybe you can learn from him about how to be more interesting.
You do know Kamski is the username of Steve Davis ?
Cumulative immigration to UK since 2021: India: 670k Nigeria: 310k China: 274k Pakistan: 166k HK: 131k Ukraine: 108k Even if u subtract students you're talking abt 301k from India & 103k from Nigeria. Whatever your priors on migration, there's no disputing these are BIG numbers.
Absolute fucking insanity. May the Tories die in their stupid ditch and never recover
And all the arguments are about the 10k who came across by boat from France. Once again, our politicians will not discuss the real issues.
What we really need is to ascertain how many of those were students and dependents of students, how many are going home again and what the rest are earning.
BTW did you see that Imperial is second ranked in the world for Universities and that the UK has 3 of the top 5? Quite a remarkable achievement for a country of under 70m people.
Which ranking is that? The QS 2024 has Cambridge at 2, Oxford at 3, Imperial at 6 and UCL at 9, which is obviously not bad having four of the top ten global universities.
Tucker Carlson on Meeting Klaus Schwab & What Motivates the Ruling Class
"He's like an elderly idiot who seems a little senile, doesn't have any idea what he's talking about...The closer you get, the more you realize the people running things are mediocre. Like buffoons."
🔥CAN BIDEN BOIL AN EGG?🔥“I'd love to see Joe Biden give an interview where he could speak on the history of the US in the same way Putin talked about the history of his country” Tucker: "I would like Biden to do an interview where he would show how to operate a microwave." 🤣
You're very easily pleased/a six-year-old is posting from your account today (should at least improve the quality of your posts)
Maybe you can learn from him about how to be more interesting.
Are you still here? Wouldn't it be a better use of your miserable existence to post some pathetic tiktok video?
Cumulative immigration to UK since 2021: India: 670k Nigeria: 310k China: 274k Pakistan: 166k HK: 131k Ukraine: 108k Even if u subtract students you're talking abt 301k from India & 103k from Nigeria. Whatever your priors on migration, there's no disputing these are BIG numbers.
Absolute fucking insanity. May the Tories die in their stupid ditch and never recover
And all the arguments are about the 10k who came across by boat from France. Once again, our politicians will not discuss the real issues.
What we really need is to ascertain how many of those were students and dependents of students, how many are going home again and what the rest are earning.
BTW did you see that Imperial is second ranked in the world for Universities and that the UK has 3 of the top 5? Quite a remarkable achievement for a country of under 70m people.
Of course the students and their families aren't leaving. There would be little point coming here to study a Micky Mouse Masters if you had to leave again afterwards.
Tucker Carlson on Meeting Klaus Schwab & What Motivates the Ruling Class
"He's like an elderly idiot who seems a little senile, doesn't have any idea what he's talking about...The closer you get, the more you realize the people running things are mediocre. Like buffoons."
🔥CAN BIDEN BOIL AN EGG?🔥“I'd love to see Joe Biden give an interview where he could speak on the history of the US in the same way Putin talked about the history of his country” Tucker: "I would like Biden to do an interview where he would show how to operate a microwave." 🤣
You're very easily pleased/a six-year-old is posting from your account today (should at least improve the quality of your posts)
Maybe you can learn from him about how to be more interesting.
Are you still here? Wouldn't it be a better use of your miserable existence to post some pathetic tiktok video?
Tucker Carlson on Meeting Klaus Schwab & What Motivates the Ruling Class
"He's like an elderly idiot who seems a little senile, doesn't have any idea what he's talking about...The closer you get, the more you realize the people running things are mediocre. Like buffoons."
🔥CAN BIDEN BOIL AN EGG?🔥“I'd love to see Joe Biden give an interview where he could speak on the history of the US in the same way Putin talked about the history of his country” Tucker: "I would like Biden to do an interview where he would show how to operate a microwave." 🤣
You're very easily pleased/a six-year-old is posting from your account today (should at least improve the quality of your posts)
Maybe you can learn from him about how to be more interesting.
Are you still here? Wouldn't it be a better use of your miserable existence to post some pathetic tiktok video?
“Rishi Sunak lied to the British public” - Labour on the £2k tax claim.
I listened to a conservative adviser this morning who said that the party is delighted with the row as it takes Labour's NHS arguments off the table and highlights Labour and taxation and the longer it is drawn out the more they are content to discuss it
Looks as if you are playing into their hands on this
Big G, you'll remember 1992 and Jennifer's Ear. Labour were happy to have the debate on the NHS, it's normally home turf for the red team, just like taxation is good terrain for the blues. That skirmish didn't work out too well for Labour then and I don't think this will work out well for the Conservatives. The Prime Minister lying directly to the public is not a good look.
You forget that Labour accuse the conservatives of a 49 billion hole over NI which if we are talking of lying is the same as will be seen when the manifesto are published
When did Labour pretend that number came from HM Treasury?
It is still lie
No, it's not a lie, the assumptions are laid out and it's clearly a "if the Conservatives do this" then it will cost £49b. You can counter that by saying "That's not what we're intending to do" or something like that, but it's not a lie.
Saying that your numbers have come from HM Treasury when HM Treasury says the numbers don't come from them and they have asked Sunak not to say the numbers came from them is a lie. I'm surprised that you seem so chilled about it.
Cumulative immigration to UK since 2021: India: 670k Nigeria: 310k China: 274k Pakistan: 166k HK: 131k Ukraine: 108k Even if u subtract students you're talking abt 301k from India & 103k from Nigeria. Whatever your priors on migration, there's no disputing these are BIG numbers.
Absolute fucking insanity. May the Tories die in their stupid ditch and never recover
And all the arguments are about the 10k who came across by boat from France. Once again, our politicians will not discuss the real issues.
What we really need is to ascertain how many of those were students and dependents of students, how many are going home again and what the rest are earning.
BTW did you see that Imperial is second ranked in the world for Universities and that the UK has 3 of the top 5? Quite a remarkable achievement for a country of under 70m people.
Which ranking is that? The QS 2024 has Cambridge at 2, Oxford at 3, Imperial at 6 and UCL at 9, which is obviously not bad having four of the top ten global universities.
Just seen this - not sure how official it is but seems worthy of being the photo I'm allowed today
You need to add the Labour we wont put up taxes Party lie perhaps. Nice that Labour supporters are so low that they have resorted to Trumpian campaign tactics. SAD
Whoever wins taxes will go up and they will come for our ISA's and Savings and Pensions in one way or another.
This could very well come back and bite labour post election when taxes start to go up in other areas to fund their spending pledges.
Reducing the amount you can protect in an ISA is a no-brainer. £20,000 per year is a huge amount of money.
Also other things mooted. Capping what you can put into an ISA to £100K. Reforming the tax relief on pension contributions, taxing pension pots on death, reducing the tax free lump sum, harmonising CGT with income tax, re-instating the lifetime cap on pension pots etc etc.
All stuff Labour have spoken of or some of the new intake, such as Torsten Bell of the Resolution Foundation, have spoken of.
Let's face it, alot of this comes risk free to Labour, pensions few people give a toss about til they draw them, the remainder will largely affect the well off.
Indeed if they harmonised tax relief at, say, 30% that could save money but be spun as progressive as it helps the poorest.
This Labour govt will be advancing policy platforms advocated by a few of the centre left think tanks.
Just seen this - not sure how official it is but seems worthy of being the photo I'm allowed today
You need to add the Labour we wont put up taxes Party lie perhaps. Nice that Labour supporters are so low that they have resorted to Trumpian campaign tactics. SAD
Whoever wins taxes will go up and they will come for our ISA's and Savings and Pensions in one way or another.
This could very well come back and bite labour post election when taxes start to go up in other areas to fund their spending pledges.
Reducing the amount you can protect in an ISA is a no-brainer. £20,000 per year is a huge amount of money.
Also other things mooted. Capping what you can put into an ISA to £100K. Reforming the tax relief on pension contributions, taxing pension pots on death, reducing the tax free lump sum, harmonising CGT with income tax, re-instating the lifetime cap on pension pots etc etc.
All stuff Labour have spoken of or some of the new intake, such as Torsten Bell of the Resolution Foundation, have spoken of.
Let's face it, alot of this comes risk free to Labour, pensions few people give a toss about til they draw them, the remainder will largely affect the well off.
Indeed if they harmonised tax relief at, say, 30% that could save money but be spun as progressive as it helps the poorest.
This Labour govt will be advancing policy platforms advocated by a few of the centre left think tanks.
I await their manifesto with interest.
Does it have to be in the manifesto? I understand the Lords convention, but that also stands for anything in a budget.
If I were Labour I wouldn't put anything new in there at all. Even merging NICs with income tax would be too risky.
“Rishi Sunak lied to the British public” - Labour on the £2k tax claim.
I listened to a conservative adviser this morning who said that the party is delighted with the row as it takes Labour's NHS arguments off the table and highlights Labour and taxation and the longer it is drawn out the more they are content to discuss it
Looks as if you are playing into their hands on this
Big G, you'll remember 1992 and Jennifer's Ear. Labour were happy to have the debate on the NHS, it's normally home turf for the red team, just like taxation is good terrain for the blues. That skirmish didn't work out too well for Labour then and I don't think this will work out well for the Conservatives. The Prime Minister lying directly to the public is not a good look.
You forget that Labour accuse the conservatives of a 49 billion hole over NI which if we are talking of lying is the same as will be seen when the manifesto are published
When did Labour pretend that number came from HM Treasury?
It is still lie
No, it's not a lie, the assumptions are laid out and it's clearly a "if the Conservatives do this" then it will cost £49b. You can counter that by saying "That's not what we're intending to do" or something like that, but it's not a lie.
Saying that your numbers have come from HM Treasury when HM Treasury says the numbers don't come from them and they have asked Sunak not to say the numbers came from them is a lie. I'm surprised that you seem so chilled about it.
Why didn't Starmer reject it immediately as the letter had been received a couple of days before the debate
And frankly all politicians are economic with the truth but from the Conservative point of view this has raised Labour and tax to the top of the agenda and not the NHS
And by the way Labour will raise taxes and substantially
Just seen this - not sure how official it is but seems worthy of being the photo I'm allowed today
You need to add the Labour we wont put up taxes Party lie perhaps. Nice that Labour supporters are so low that they have resorted to Trumpian campaign tactics. SAD
Whoever wins taxes will go up and they will come for our ISA's and Savings and Pensions in one way or another.
This could very well come back and bite labour post election when taxes start to go up in other areas to fund their spending pledges.
Reducing the amount you can protect in an ISA is a no-brainer. £20,000 per year is a huge amount of money.
Also other things mooted. Capping what you can put into an ISA to £100K. Reforming the tax relief on pension contributions, taxing pension pots on death, reducing the tax free lump sum, harmonising CGT with income tax, re-instating the lifetime cap on pension pots etc etc.
All stuff Labour have spoken of or some of the new intake, such as Torsten Bell of the Resolution Foundation, have spoken of.
Let's face it, alot of this comes risk free to Labour, pensions few people give a toss about til they draw them, the remainder will largely affect the well off.
Indeed if they harmonised tax relief at, say, 30% that could save money but be spun as progressive as it helps the poorest.
This Labour govt will be advancing policy platforms advocated by a few of the centre left think tanks.
Tucker Carlson on Meeting Klaus Schwab & What Motivates the Ruling Class
"He's like an elderly idiot who seems a little senile, doesn't have any idea what he's talking about...The closer you get, the more you realize the people running things are mediocre. Like buffoons."
🔥CAN BIDEN BOIL AN EGG?🔥“I'd love to see Joe Biden give an interview where he could speak on the history of the US in the same way Putin talked about the history of his country” Tucker: "I would like Biden to do an interview where he would show how to operate a microwave." 🤣
You're very easily pleased/a six-year-old is posting from your account today (should at least improve the quality of your posts)
You are a tedious fuck, tho. Our new friend from Irkutsk is not wrong on that
Cumulative immigration to UK since 2021: India: 670k Nigeria: 310k China: 274k Pakistan: 166k HK: 131k Ukraine: 108k Even if u subtract students you're talking abt 301k from India & 103k from Nigeria. Whatever your priors on migration, there's no disputing these are BIG numbers.
Absolute fucking insanity. May the Tories die in their stupid ditch and never recover
And all the arguments are about the 10k who came across by boat from France. Once again, our politicians will not discuss the real issues.
What we really need is to ascertain how many of those were students and dependents of students, how many are going home again and what the rest are earning.
BTW did you see that Imperial is second ranked in the world for Universities and that the UK has 3 of the top 5? Quite a remarkable achievement for a country of under 70m people.
Which ranking is that? The QS 2024 has Cambridge at 2, Oxford at 3, Imperial at 6 and UCL at 9, which is obviously not bad having four of the top ten global universities.
Imperial 2, Oxford 3 and Cambridge down to 5. Seems to come from the QS rankings. Not sure how definitive these are.
I see what I’ve done - I googled the 2024 rankings, it being 2024 and 2025 hasn’t happened yet however they have released the 2025 rankings which are as you say. We do still have 4 of the top 10, the same as the US.
Do you ever just step back and marvel at how absurd our society has become?
Government, scientists, and doctors lying about every aspect of Covid. Not just little lies but big fat stinking obvious lies that anyone can spot.
Every mainstream reporter lying every day for four years straight. They get caught lying and then lie some more. Their audience dwindles to nothing and they don't care, they keep lying.
Tenured faculty at universities who absolutely do not give a f*ck about the truth lying to get some more of that Fauci NIAID largesse.
Military brass, Mark Milley and Lloyd Austin, lying about everything because why not.
These people aren't even trying to do the right thing. Lies surround us now like snow drifts in a blizzard. I've never seen this level of wholesale absurdity. 5:25 AM · Jun 4, 2024 · 83.1K Views
My fixer has offered to take me to the frontline. The actual real deal. Flak jacket and bullets flying
Eeesh
Tough call. As we used to say on the one hand you want to win an MC and be carried through the streets of London on peoples' shoulders; while on the other you don't want to lose a leg or two or die.
Tucker Carlson on Meeting Klaus Schwab & What Motivates the Ruling Class
"He's like an elderly idiot who seems a little senile, doesn't have any idea what he's talking about...The closer you get, the more you realize the people running things are mediocre. Like buffoons."
🔥CAN BIDEN BOIL AN EGG?🔥“I'd love to see Joe Biden give an interview where he could speak on the history of the US in the same way Putin talked about the history of his country” Tucker: "I would like Biden to do an interview where he would show how to operate a microwave." 🤣
You're very easily pleased/a six-year-old is posting from your account today (should at least improve the quality of your posts)
Maybe you can learn from him about how to be more interesting.
Are you still here? Wouldn't it be a better use of your miserable existence to post some pathetic tiktok video?
My fixer has offered to take me to the frontline. The actual real deal. Flak jacket and bullets flying
Eeesh
Do it Leon.
Your employer, of course, being a coward has never been there.
Oh sure Putins some coward seeing off all opposition over the past 20 years. Whys Zelensky just bought a casino in Cyprus.
Can people stop flagging this shithead? the mods will get around to deleting Newdawn when they get a chance, every flag will probably send an alert to someone's phone...
SKS did the same thing with Johnson, he let Sunak hang himself. That's why he didn't challenge it.
But I am not sure how effective this is during a debate like this.
It’s probably quite useful, however this row works out, for when Labour are in power and they inevitably raise taxes and the Tories can say that they warned everyone and Starmer/Labour lied about raising taxes. So it won’t be wasted.
Mr. Pioneers, in a level-pegging, gosh-it's-close type election I'd agree.
But this is not that. The debate is over how much Labour will win by. They almost certainly will win, and therefore be in a position to impose tax rises.
Just seen this - not sure how official it is but seems worthy of being the photo I'm allowed today
You need to add the Labour we wont put up taxes Party lie perhaps. Nice that Labour supporters are so low that they have resorted to Trumpian campaign tactics. SAD
Whoever wins taxes will go up and they will come for our ISA's and Savings and Pensions in one way or another.
This could very well come back and bite labour post election when taxes start to go up in other areas to fund their spending pledges.
Reducing the amount you can protect in an ISA is a no-brainer. £20,000 per year is a huge amount of money.
Also other things mooted. Capping what you can put into an ISA to £100K. Reforming the tax relief on pension contributions, taxing pension pots on death, reducing the tax free lump sum, harmonising CGT with income tax, re-instating the lifetime cap on pension pots etc etc.
All stuff Labour have spoken of or some of the new intake, such as Torsten Bell of the Resolution Foundation, have spoken of.
Let's face it, alot of this comes risk free to Labour, pensions few people give a toss about til they draw them, the remainder will largely affect the well off.
Indeed if they harmonised tax relief at, say, 30% that could save money but be spun as progressive as it helps the poorest.
This Labour govt will be advancing policy platforms advocated by a few of the centre left think tanks.
I await their manifesto with interest.
Does it have to be in the manifesto? I understand the Lords convention, but that also stands for anything in a budget.
If I were Labour I wouldn't put anything new in there at all. Even merging NICs with income tax would be too risky.
You are right it doesn't, but I think pensions are important and they will want to put something as it is something they have spoken about before. I said I awaited the manifesto with interest as I expect something to be in there to indicate their thoughts.
I expect, from what they have said, they will conduct a full review on pensions but I think they will also widen it to S&S ISA's and Cash savings as well.
It is too much to hope they will scrap stamp duty on share purchases.
Tucker Carlson on Meeting Klaus Schwab & What Motivates the Ruling Class
"He's like an elderly idiot who seems a little senile, doesn't have any idea what he's talking about...The closer you get, the more you realize the people running things are mediocre. Like buffoons."
🔥CAN BIDEN BOIL AN EGG?🔥“I'd love to see Joe Biden give an interview where he could speak on the history of the US in the same way Putin talked about the history of his country” Tucker: "I would like Biden to do an interview where he would show how to operate a microwave." 🤣
You're very easily pleased/a six-year-old is posting from your account today (should at least improve the quality of your posts)
You are a tedious fuck, tho. Our new friend from Irkutsk is not wrong on that
maybe, but at least i'm not such a moron as to mistake Tucker Carlson for the new Oscar Wilde.
'I'd like to see him operate a microwave' ha ha ha. far better stuff heard on the playground of my kid's primary school every day.
Mr. Pioneers, in a level-pegging, gosh-it's-close type election I'd agree.
But this is not that. The debate is over how much Labour will win by. They almost certainly will win, and therefore be in a position to impose tax rises.
Of course they will post tax rises! As the Tories have over and over and over again!
Sunak's problem is that the party have gone to town with a pre-briefed attack line £2k tax rise - and have been caught lying their face off. Which considering the massive damage to themselves done by all the previous lies is a bit stupid really.
I've only skimmed, but there's a notable lack of any obvious link between vaccines and excess deaths (not to mention the issues with excess deaths as a measure, after lockdowns). They have some interesting data, but they oversell it quite badly - I'd have had plenty of objections at peer review. If they'd found anything substantive this would be in bmj or Lancet or somewhere reputable like NEJM. Even having said that, the Telegraph, Farage and other loons are overselling it way beyond even what the authors are saying.
There's also the outright untruth that governments don't make detailed death data available. The UK does. I've used it - full cause of death and underlying causes are available. The data aren't always great due to different interpretations of recording, but they are there.
It doesnt even matter if the vaccines are dangerous which they are. But even if they werent if people believe they are dangerous its disastrous.
“Rishi Sunak lied to the British public” - Labour on the £2k tax claim.
I listened to a conservative adviser this morning who said that the party is delighted with the row as it takes Labour's NHS arguments off the table and highlights Labour and taxation and the longer it is drawn out the more they are content to discuss it
Looks as if you are playing into their hands on this
Big G, you'll remember 1992 and Jennifer's Ear. Labour were happy to have the debate on the NHS, it's normally home turf for the red team, just like taxation is good terrain for the blues. That skirmish didn't work out too well for Labour then and I don't think this will work out well for the Conservatives. The Prime Minister lying directly to the public is not a good look.
You forget that Labour accuse the conservatives of a 49 billion hole over NI which if we are talking of lying is the same as will be seen when the manifesto are published
When did Labour pretend that number came from HM Treasury?
It is still lie
No, it's not a lie, the assumptions are laid out and it's clearly a "if the Conservatives do this" then it will cost £49b. You can counter that by saying "That's not what we're intending to do" or something like that, but it's not a lie.
Saying that your numbers have come from HM Treasury when HM Treasury says the numbers don't come from them and they have asked Sunak not to say the numbers came from them is a lie. I'm surprised that you seem so chilled about it.
Why didn't Starmer reject it immediately as the letter had been received a couple of days before the debate
And frankly all politicians are economic with the truth but from the Conservative point of view this has raised Labour and tax to the top of the agenda and not the NHS
And by the way Labour will raise taxes and substantially
You might have got away with that post six hours ago! 😃
The Treasury is furious part of it was put through them, the rest added by Conservative Party and passed off as being Treasury facts. And the electorate are pissed off with same old Tories always lying. The comparison with the £350M a week bus that fooled so many with dodgy maths, is absolutely toxic, like in “you fooled me once, you ain’t ******* fooling me twice with same stunt.”
This can really hurt the Tory campaign all through to polling day now, Labour are demanding a public apology for the lie.
Mr. eek, oh, I agree entirely the Conservatives are being irresponsible financially, as Brown was when he brought forward spending to make the economic picture rosier ahead of the 2010 election but worse after it (and his terrible carrier contracts were similarly awful).
But Labour are the ones who have a problem really, as they're going to be the ones in power. They will be increasing taxes, or heaping up borrowing even more.
If we had a media with a brain in their collective head they might just understand how party first, country second Labour were in 2010, or the Conservatives are now.
Tory Gain in Montgomeryshire in Tuesdays by election, they are 2 for 2 during the campaign. Lolz Rhiwcynon AMY, Richard Edward, Welsh Liberal Democrats 74
JONES, Ann Plaid Cymru 286
JONES, Richard Breese, Independent 110
LEWIS, Oliver, Reform UK 18
MARKINSON, David, Independent 4
PARFITT, Rhodri, The Green Party 13
WIXEY, Paul, Welsh Labour 25
YEOMANS, John Welsh, Conservative 352 (Elected)
The interesting thing about Welsh politics is not the terrible prospects for conservative mps on the 4th July but just what's happens in the Senedd in 2026 when Welsh Labour cannot blame Westminster for its woes
Not really relevant. WL claims to be a separate entity from the Labour one in Westminster, with some autonomy, same as ScotLab do. So that will still play.
Drakeford blamed the conservative government for all the woes but of course in 2026 Labour will be the government
So? WL will just blame UK Labour.
There's no point in them having a separate party front but being the same party underneath, otherwise.
PB_Tories were so sure that PB_Lefties were so annoyed with the National Service 'policy' that is was evidence it was a game-changer for the election. Now PB_Tories are saying that it's a good thing for our Prime Minister to be a blatant liar and PB_Lefties are only upset because it's going to be a game-changer for the election.
How about PB_Lefties are being upset with the Prime Minister lying because we don't think the Prime Minister should be lying. It's not a partisan thing - we were as unhappy with Blair lying over Iraq as we are Sunak lying about this.
“Rishi Sunak lied to the British public” - Labour on the £2k tax claim.
I listened to a conservative adviser this morning who said that the party is delighted with the row as it takes Labour's NHS arguments off the table and highlights Labour and taxation and the longer it is drawn out the more they are content to discuss it
Looks as if you are playing into their hands on this
Big G, you'll remember 1992 and Jennifer's Ear. Labour were happy to have the debate on the NHS, it's normally home turf for the red team, just like taxation is good terrain for the blues. That skirmish didn't work out too well for Labour then and I don't think this will work out well for the Conservatives. The Prime Minister lying directly to the public is not a good look.
You forget that Labour accuse the conservatives of a 49 billion hole over NI which if we are talking of lying is the same as will be seen when the manifesto are published
When did Labour pretend that number came from HM Treasury?
It is still lie
No, it's not a lie, the assumptions are laid out and it's clearly a "if the Conservatives do this" then it will cost £49b. You can counter that by saying "That's not what we're intending to do" or something like that, but it's not a lie.
Saying that your numbers have come from HM Treasury when HM Treasury says the numbers don't come from them and they have asked Sunak not to say the numbers came from them is a lie. I'm surprised that you seem so chilled about it.
Why didn't Starmer reject it immediately as the letter had been received a couple of days before the debate
And frankly all politicians are economic with the truth but from the Conservative point of view this has raised Labour and tax to the top of the agenda and not the NHS
And by the way Labour will raise taxes and substantially
You might have got away with that post six hours ago! 😃
The Treasury is furious part of it was put through them, the rest added by Conservative Party and passed off as being Treasury facts. And the electorate are pissed off with same old Tories always lying. The comparison with the £350M a week bus that fooled so many with dodgy maths, is absolutely toxic, like in “you fooled me once, you ain’t ******* fooling me twice with same stunt.”
This can really hurt the Tory campaign all through to polling day now, Labour are demanding a public apology for the lie.
Hang on. Were you not ramping the debate - and specifically the £2k attack - as a "game changer"?
Got to say the problem with your typical Russian Troll is that their debate points are boringly predictable:-
The covid vaccines will kill you Ukraine will lose the war Russian is great (for reasons that make zero sense to anyone not brainwashed in Russia)...
I dont believe 1 or 3 but think 2 is substantively correct depending what winning losing actually means.
I think any solution will involve Ukraine having less land than before the invasion. Whats the alternative logic?
1 is correct if he said "can". But it is all risk. The risk of Covid versus the risk of the vaccine. It is certainly no reason not to take the vaccine.
I think you are right on Ukraine too. Whatever solution there is it will end up with a negotiation of some sorts. Land will be lost. The West won't want to keep funding Ukraine forever. Better to take a negotiation and shore up the defenses of NATO countries.
Assuming a settlement is begging the question.
Any negotiation is pointless until Putin is obliged to abandon his ambition to restore the Russian empire. Otherwise all you're negotiating is a pause.
“Rishi Sunak lied to the British public” - Labour on the £2k tax claim.
I listened to a conservative adviser this morning who said that the party is delighted with the row as it takes Labour's NHS arguments off the table and highlights Labour and taxation and the longer it is drawn out the more they are content to discuss it
Looks as if you are playing into their hands on this
Big G, you'll remember 1992 and Jennifer's Ear. Labour were happy to have the debate on the NHS, it's normally home turf for the red team, just like taxation is good terrain for the blues. That skirmish didn't work out too well for Labour then and I don't think this will work out well for the Conservatives. The Prime Minister lying directly to the public is not a good look.
You forget that Labour accuse the conservatives of a 49 billion hole over NI which if we are talking of lying is the same as will be seen when the manifesto are published
When did Labour pretend that number came from HM Treasury?
It is still lie
No, it's not a lie, the assumptions are laid out and it's clearly a "if the Conservatives do this" then it will cost £49b. You can counter that by saying "That's not what we're intending to do" or something like that, but it's not a lie.
Saying that your numbers have come from HM Treasury when HM Treasury says the numbers don't come from them and they have asked Sunak not to say the numbers came from them is a lie. I'm surprised that you seem so chilled about it.
Why didn't Starmer reject it immediately as the letter had been received a couple of days before the debate
And frankly all politicians are economic with the truth but from the Conservative point of view this has raised Labour and tax to the top of the agenda and not the NHS
And by the way Labour will raise taxes and substantially
You might have got away with that post six hours ago! 😃
The Treasury is furious part of it was put through them, the rest added by Conservative Party and passed off as being Treasury facts. And the electorate are pissed off with same old Tories always lying. The comparison with the £350M a week bus that fooled so many with dodgy maths, is absolutely toxic, like in “you fooled me once, you ain’t ******* fooling me twice with same stunt.”
This can really hurt the Tory campaign all through to polling day now, Labour are demanding a public apology for the lie.
It also means that the Tories can no longer talk about any tax issue (or in fact probably anything) because they've been caught lying already...
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Tucker Carlson on Meeting Klaus Schwab & What Motivates the Ruling Class
"He's like an elderly idiot who seems a little senile, doesn't have any idea what he's talking about...The closer you get, the more you realize the people running things are mediocre. Like buffoons."
https://x.com/TheChiefNerd/status/1797975399516754342
Fewer mods - TSE is in hospital with an abscess that required an operation..
This could very well come back and bite labour post election when taxes start to go up in other areas to fund their spending pledges.
"The only place anybody was dying was in our hospitals. And it's because they were dying of the treatments."
"It was not COVID that was killing...patients, it was the complete...medical mismanagement of COVID. It was the remdesivir, ventilator, death—wash, rinse, repeat."
Critical Care RN, whistleblower, and Founder/Executive Director of Nurse Freedom Network Kimberly Overton describes for Peter Santilli how it was not COVID killing people in hospitals, but rather the (federally distributed) treatment protocols themselves.
https://x.com/toobaffled/status/1797953644891131990
What we really need is to ascertain how many of those were students and dependents of students, how many are going home again and what the rest are earning.
BTW did you see that Imperial is second ranked in the world for Universities and that the UK has 3 of the top 5? Quite a remarkable achievement for a country of under 70m people.
A majority of Britain’s young people do not believe Israel should exist, a new UnHerd poll has revealed.
A preliminary finding of an exclusive survey of 1,012 voters about foreign policy, conducted by Focaldata and due to be released tomorrow on UnHerd, found that a striking 54% of 18-24-year-olds agreed with the statement that “the state of Israel should not exist.” Just 21% disagreed.
Agreement to the statement declines fairly steadily by age - reaching 7% with the 65+.
Blame for the situation in Gaza follows a similar pattern.
NEW: The number of migrants who have crossed the Channel this year has hit 10,745 - 41.2% UP on the same point last year.
Last night, the PM said: "Over the last twelve months, the number of crossings have [come] down a third."
Labour say that was "another bare-faced lie".
https://x.com/online_shogun/status/1790939955964874868?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
🔥CAN BIDEN BOIL AN EGG?🔥“I'd love to see Joe Biden give an interview where he could speak on the history of the US in the same way Putin talked about the history of his country” Tucker: "I would like Biden to do an interview where he would show how to operate a microwave." 🤣
I think any solution will involve Ukraine having less land than before the invasion. Whats the alternative logic?
Really for SKS it is no win, bigger risk than going up against Sunak. All the smaller parties will snipe at him as well as Sunak
I think you are right on Ukraine too. Whatever solution there is it will end up with a negotiation of some sorts. Land will be lost. The West won't want to keep funding Ukraine forever. Better to take a negotiation and shore up the defenses of NATO countries.
Rishi Sunak lied to you.
About NHS waiting lists.
About small boats.
About the cost of living.
Just like he did about partygate.
Eeesh
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2024_United_Kingdom_general_election#National_poll_results
Anyway, is anyone watching the Post Office Inquiry?
Alice Perkins is not doing very well.
Saying that your numbers have come from HM Treasury when HM Treasury says the numbers don't come from them and they have asked Sunak not to say the numbers came from them is a lie. I'm surprised that you seem so chilled about it.
Imperial 2, Oxford 3 and Cambridge down to 5. Seems to come from the QS rankings. Not sure how definitive these are.
All stuff Labour have spoken of or some of the new intake, such as Torsten Bell of the Resolution Foundation, have spoken of.
Let's face it, alot of this comes risk free to Labour, pensions few people give a toss about til they draw them, the remainder will largely affect the well off.
Indeed if they harmonised tax relief at, say, 30% that could save money but be spun as progressive as it helps the poorest.
This Labour govt will be advancing policy platforms advocated by a few of the centre left think tanks.
I await their manifesto with interest.
Not that Putin would take him up on it, being a fraidy cat.
If I were Labour I wouldn't put anything new in there at all. Even merging NICs with income tax would be too risky.
And frankly all politicians are economic with the truth but from the Conservative point of view this has raised Labour and tax to the top of the agenda and not the NHS
And by the way Labour will raise taxes and substantially
I charge the bastard.
Oh, you meant the thread?
But I am not sure how effective this is during a debate like this.
Government, scientists, and doctors lying about every aspect of Covid. Not just little lies but big fat stinking obvious lies that anyone can spot.
Every mainstream reporter lying every day for four years straight. They get caught lying and then lie some more. Their audience dwindles to nothing and they don't care, they keep lying.
Tenured faculty at universities who absolutely do not give a f*ck about the truth lying to get some more of that Fauci NIAID largesse.
Military brass, Mark Milley and Lloyd Austin, lying about everything because why not.
These people aren't even trying to do the right thing. Lies surround us now like snow drifts in a blizzard. I've never seen this level of wholesale absurdity.
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https://x.com/uTobian/status/1797847033820377242
"Game changer" I read on here last night. Sure. As the National Service plan was. The one that got laughed at last night and polls really badly.
But this is not that. The debate is over how much Labour will win by. They almost certainly will win, and therefore be in a position to impose tax rises.
I think we should generally as a group just ignore trolls but flag them
Well...
I expect, from what they have said, they will conduct a full review on pensions but I think they will also widen it to S&S ISA's and Cash savings as well.
It is too much to hope they will scrap stamp duty on share purchases.
https://www.pensions-expert.com/Law-Regulation/What-does-Labour-have-in-store-for-the-pensions-industry?ct=true
'I'd like to see him operate a microwave' ha ha ha. far better stuff heard on the playground of my kid's primary school every day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsT_PvMR4j4&ab_channel=GAMOTRAVEL
Which is why no-one really wants to talk about tax and spending because the reality is messy and way too complex for most people's attention spans.
Sunak's problem is that the party have gone to town with a pre-briefed attack line £2k tax rise - and have been caught lying their face off. Which considering the massive damage to themselves done by all the previous lies is a bit stupid really.
Way too late, I see.
The Treasury is furious part of it was put through them, the rest added by Conservative Party and passed off as being Treasury facts. And the electorate are pissed off with same old Tories always lying. The comparison with the £350M a week bus that fooled so many with dodgy maths, is absolutely toxic, like in “you fooled me once, you ain’t ******* fooling me twice with same stunt.”
This can really hurt the Tory campaign all through to polling day now, Labour are demanding a public apology for the lie.
I have been telling you SKS is a wa***r since 2020
But Labour are the ones who have a problem really, as they're going to be the ones in power. They will be increasing taxes, or heaping up borrowing even more.
If we had a media with a brain in their collective head they might just understand how party first, country second Labour were in 2010, or the Conservatives are now.
There's no point in them having a separate party front but being the same party underneath, otherwise.
How about PB_Lefties are being upset with the Prime Minister lying because we don't think the Prime Minister should be lying. It's not a partisan thing - we were as unhappy with Blair lying over Iraq as we are Sunak lying about this.
https://x.com/Available4Panto/status/1798289158794019172
Any negotiation is pointless until Putin is obliged to abandon his ambition to restore the Russian empire.
Otherwise all you're negotiating is a pause.