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In the example it wasn't an issue that someone had a view about Gaza, but that they were demanding other people have a view on it, despite having nothing whatsoever to do with it because they were interested in domestic housing policy. That is quite different and you know that.Sunil_Prasannan said:
"Why is a young man like you concerned about Northern Ireland? What about Vietnam? What about Rhodesia?" - Barbara Castle to Paul Rose MP, in 1967.Casino_Royale said:
Gaza isn't really about Gaza at all, which very few give a fuck about.rcs1000 said:
The first question I ask anyone I don't know is always "So, what's your position on Gaza?".kle4 said:This may be a waste of my allotted image, but I was genuinely surprised at the mere idea that a YIMBY or NIMBY group should be expected to take a position on this issue.
If I do know them, it's different. Instead I say "I just want to check, your position on Gaza hasn't changed has it?"
Candidly, I can't imagine any other way to be.
It's just social proof for Progressives.
It is when people not only have a view on something but elevate it to the most important thing and insert it into unrelated things. And as I noted that is something that happens with matters other than Gaza too.0 -
I went to a screening of Twice Upon a Time in Durham. The Beeb gave people the opportunity to get tickets to see it in the run up to Xmas. It cut out at the regeneration scene. It was good fun.viewcode said:
I know Tennant Ten is technically the best, but I still have a soft spot for Matt Smith (from The Eleventh Hour to The Angels Take Manhattan(, and Peter Capaldi (from The Magician's Apprentice to Twice Upon a Time).DecrepiterJohnL said:
Whittaker's gabbling made her speech hard for my foreign chums to follow, although her stories were poor, and the set-up where the lady doctor trailed around her "fam" was vaguely misogynist.Taz said:
Whittaker was terrible but that may be more down to the scripts.bigjohnowls said:
i like them allwooliedyed said:
He's not MY doctor. He's no EcclestonTaz said:
That’s the Doctor.wooliedyed said:
Tenant is a fecking arse. Get him off the threadTheScreamingEagles said:
See the public saw Rishi Sunak as the embodiment of the greatest Doctor ever, that's a win for Rishi.wooliedyed said:Savanta have 44% saying Rishis launch in the rain went badly and..... um 35% think it went well
I thought Peter Capaldi was a bit disappointing though
Tennant was the best actor to play the Doctor.
Trivia: Capaldi is the only Doctor to have won an Oscar (as producer, not actor).
And if RTD is so bloody clever, how come the credits misnamed the character as Doctor Who, and the titles show the Tardis careering around like the starship Enterprise? And why do they keep redesigning the daleks and Tardis? And breathe!
Every decision taken during the Chibnall era was wrong. It's pointless pointing to a specific one, since it was just one large steaming pile of wrong. Jodie's interpretation was wrong. The redesigned Daleks were wrong. The fam were wrong. The CyberTimeLords were wrong. Flux was an enormous serialised wrong. The costume was wrong. The Sunny Delight Master was wrong. The Timeless Child made me cry with the wrongness. It was just rubbish from day one to day last.
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I’ve liked this but really want to like it ten times over. I’ve been a fan of Dr Who since the 1970’s. I’ve always been desperate to watch new WHO on TV right until Chibnall took over. So sad to not enjoy something that is an intimate part of my life.viewcode said:
I know Tennant Ten is technically the best, but I still have a soft spot for Matt Smith (from The Eleventh Hour to The Angels Take Manhattan(, and Peter Capaldi (from The Magician's Apprentice to Twice Upon a Time).DecrepiterJohnL said:
Whittaker's gabbling made her speech hard for my foreign chums to follow, although her stories were poor, and the set-up where the lady doctor trailed around her "fam" was vaguely misogynist.Taz said:
Whittaker was terrible but that may be more down to the scripts.bigjohnowls said:
i like them allwooliedyed said:
He's not MY doctor. He's no EcclestonTaz said:
That’s the Doctor.wooliedyed said:
Tenant is a fecking arse. Get him off the threadTheScreamingEagles said:
See the public saw Rishi Sunak as the embodiment of the greatest Doctor ever, that's a win for Rishi.wooliedyed said:Savanta have 44% saying Rishis launch in the rain went badly and..... um 35% think it went well
I thought Peter Capaldi was a bit disappointing though
Tennant was the best actor to play the Doctor.
Trivia: Capaldi is the only Doctor to have won an Oscar (as producer, not actor).
And if RTD is so bloody clever, how come the credits misnamed the character as Doctor Who, and the titles show the Tardis careering around like the starship Enterprise? And why do they keep redesigning the daleks and Tardis? And breathe!
Every decision taken during the Chibnall era was wrong. It's pointless pointing to a specific one, since it was just one large steaming pile of wrong. Jodie's interpretation was wrong. The redesigned Daleks were wrong. The fam were wrong. The CyberTimeLords were wrong. Flux was an enormous serialised wrong. The costume was wrong. The Sunny Delight Master was wrong. The Timeless Child made me cry with the wrongness. It was just rubbish from day one to day last.2 -
Its a quality journey but i think i may have done my last trip as I cant justify the £49.50 when i have already done it half a dozen timesTaz said:
There’s a quality bar at the station serving craft beer. 👍bigjohnowls said:
Did you go on the NYMR steam train from Pickering?Sunil_Prasannan said:My picture for Vanilla. Whitby Abbey in the fog, last Friday:
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Congrats to England women on winning by 37 runs vs Pakistan.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/live/c2ll0z21zpqt3 -
The £49.50 should "do" you for an entire yearbigjohnowls said:
Its a quality journey but i think i may have done my last trip as I cant justify the £49.50 when i have already done it half a dozen timesTaz said:
There’s a quality bar at the station serving craft beer. 👍bigjohnowls said:
Did you go on the NYMR steam train from Pickering?Sunil_Prasannan said:My picture for Vanilla. Whitby Abbey in the fog, last Friday:
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I am amazed it got so much play in 25 miles North would have had multiple stoppages in playAndy_JS said:Congrats to England women on winning by 37 runs vs Pakistan.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/live/c2ll0z21zpqt0 -
We drive and use the park and ride. It’s excellent.bigjohnowls said:
Its a quality journey but i think i may have done my last trip as I cant justify the £49.50 when i have already done it half a dozen timesTaz said:
There’s a quality bar at the station serving craft beer. 👍bigjohnowls said:
Did you go on the NYMR steam train from Pickering?Sunil_Prasannan said:My picture for Vanilla. Whitby Abbey in the fog, last Friday:
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Please don’t shout.viewcode said:
WHICH PARKWAY? THERE ARE SEVERAL. A PARKWAY STATION IS A STATION CONSTRUCTED OUT OF THE WAY SO CARS CAN DRIVE TO IT FROM TOWN INSTEAD OF DRIVING INTO TOWN AND HENCE AVOIDING CONGESTION.Leon said:JUST PASSED ROBERT PESTON ON PARKWAY
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PEOPLE ARE WEARING MASKS AGAIN FFS2 -
Another factor is that even when young'uns (and old'uns) do look for news or information, modern search engines find exactly what is wanted, shorn of the background information that would be absorbed by reading a whole book, chapter or article, as people did in olden times. We can look up who is Leader of the Opposition without learning anything incidental about government or parliament or even who is the Prime Minister.Cookie said:
Obviously she doesn't have a vote - but my 12 year old daughter was surprised (and a little disappointed) to find that Boris was no longer PM.Heathener said:The funniest moment I’ve seen so far was ITV News asking someone what they thought of Rishi Sunak?
Answer: ‘Who?’
She needed about three prompts, including an explanation that he was the PM, before laughing and explaining that he hadn’t been Prime Minister long enough to know anything about him.
This is what we are dealing with. This is also what the Conservatives are dealing with.
When I was her age, I'm pretty confident I was better informed. But you picked up news by osmosis. There were only 4 TV channels, and news was a significant proportion of what was on. Even if you weren't seeking it out you would pick stuff up. Nowadays with non-linear TV if you don't go looking for news it's possible to remain surprisingly uninformed.0 -
I want to congratulate the Rwandans who may have extracted one third of a billion £ from a desperate UK government and not have to host a single asylum seeker in return.15
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The several thousand year old all powerful old man whisking often attractive and usually 'complicated' teenage girls off into danger only he can save them from is pretty pukeworthy at timesturbotubbs said:
Whitaker’s years broke the cardinal rule - never, ever have more than two companions. The show is just 45 minutes now, not the extended, long drawn out productions of the 1960’s or even Davisons doctor. There is simply not enough time or things to do for so many characters.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Whittaker's gabbling made her speech hard for my foreign chums to follow, although her stories were poor, and the set-up where the lady doctor trailed around her "fam" was vaguely misogynist.Taz said:
Whittaker was terrible but that may be more down to the scripts.bigjohnowls said:
i like them allwooliedyed said:
He's not MY doctor. He's no EcclestonTaz said:
That’s the Doctor.wooliedyed said:
Tenant is a fecking arse. Get him off the threadTheScreamingEagles said:
See the public saw Rishi Sunak as the embodiment of the greatest Doctor ever, that's a win for Rishi.wooliedyed said:Savanta have 44% saying Rishis launch in the rain went badly and..... um 35% think it went well
I thought Peter Capaldi was a bit disappointing though
Tennant was the best actor to play the Doctor.
Trivia: Capaldi is the only Doctor to have won an Oscar (as producer, not actor).
And if RTD is so bloody clever, how come the credits misnamed the character as Doctor Who, and the titles show the Tardis careering around like the starship Enterprise? And why do they keep redesigning the daleks and Tardis? And breathe!
And in the end too many of the companions seem to turn into mini Doctors. That is not the role of the companion. They are there to represent the viewer.1 -
An entire day unfortunatelyDumbosaurus said:
The £49.50 should "do" you for an entire yearbigjohnowls said:
Its a quality journey but i think i may have done my last trip as I cant justify the £49.50 when i have already done it half a dozen timesTaz said:
There’s a quality bar at the station serving craft beer. 👍bigjohnowls said:
Did you go on the NYMR steam train from Pickering?Sunil_Prasannan said:My picture for Vanilla. Whitby Abbey in the fog, last Friday:
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Such government waste always makes people Mone.FF43 said:I want to congratulate the Rwandans who may have extracted one third of a billion £ from a desperate UK government and not have to host a single asylum seeker in return.
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More seriously, I do find Gaza and Israel is an excellent test. If you are unable to acknowledge that two sets of people have both been wronged (Israeli citizens subject to rape, kidnapping and the occasional missile salvo, and Palestinians who have endured creeping invasion), then you are unable to handle nuance, and are not a serious person.Casino_Royale said:
Gaza isn't really about Gaza at all, which very few give a fuck about.rcs1000 said:
The first question I ask anyone I don't know is always "So, what's your position on Gaza?".kle4 said:This may be a waste of my allotted image, but I was genuinely surprised at the mere idea that a YIMBY or NIMBY group should be expected to take a position on this issue.
If I do know them, it's different. Instead I say "I just want to check, your position on Gaza hasn't changed has it?"
Candidly, I can't imagine any other way to be.
It's just social proof for Progressives.
By contrast, Ukraine is a much more clear and obvious case of good and evil.7 -
For a modest fee I am prepaed to sell my quota.Carnyx said:
Use it or lose it, presumably!noneoftheabove said:
Hmm, are we going to get more photos as everyone feels the need to use their quota now they have one?Sunil_Prasannan said:My picture for Vanilla. Whitby Abbey in the fog, last Friday:
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Does replying to posts with pics (and therefore reposting the pics) use up site capacity?Carnyx said:
Use it or lose it, presumably!noneoftheabove said:
Hmm, are we going to get more photos as everyone feels the need to use their quota now they have one?Sunil_Prasannan said:My picture for Vanilla. Whitby Abbey in the fog, last Friday:
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"if" doing a lot of work there.state_go_away said:
say what you like about Nigel Farage but if true he has managed to influence the date of a GE and force a referendum (and won it) on Brexitrottenborough said:Katherine Forster
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Nigel Farage tells @tomhfh on @gbnews he was going to launch a campaign to stand as an MP next week. He reckons CCHQ got wind of it, hence the sudden calling of the GE.0 -
In the good old days the hero was a man ( of course) and the companions were the eye candy for the dads. Not much has changed apart from making the women, as you say, complicated and thus identifiable for all the messed up youth out there.wooliedyed said:
The several thousand year old all powerful old man whisking often attractive and usually 'complicated' teenage girls off into danger only he can save them from is pretty pukeworthy at timesturbotubbs said:
Whitaker’s years broke the cardinal rule - never, ever have more than two companions. The show is just 45 minutes now, not the extended, long drawn out productions of the 1960’s or even Davisons doctor. There is simply not enough time or things to do for so many characters.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Whittaker's gabbling made her speech hard for my foreign chums to follow, although her stories were poor, and the set-up where the lady doctor trailed around her "fam" was vaguely misogynist.Taz said:
Whittaker was terrible but that may be more down to the scripts.bigjohnowls said:
i like them allwooliedyed said:
He's not MY doctor. He's no EcclestonTaz said:
That’s the Doctor.wooliedyed said:
Tenant is a fecking arse. Get him off the threadTheScreamingEagles said:
See the public saw Rishi Sunak as the embodiment of the greatest Doctor ever, that's a win for Rishi.wooliedyed said:Savanta have 44% saying Rishis launch in the rain went badly and..... um 35% think it went well
I thought Peter Capaldi was a bit disappointing though
Tennant was the best actor to play the Doctor.
Trivia: Capaldi is the only Doctor to have won an Oscar (as producer, not actor).
And if RTD is so bloody clever, how come the credits misnamed the character as Doctor Who, and the titles show the Tardis careering around like the starship Enterprise? And why do they keep redesigning the daleks and Tardis? And breathe!
And in the end too many of the companions seem to turn into mini Doctors. That is not the role of the companion. They are there to represent the viewer.1 -
Fair point. Are people ever excited to be in Leicester full stop?Casino_Royale said:
Are people really that excited about becoming a Conservative MP in Leicester?rottenborough said:@Tomorrow'sMPs
@tomorrowsmps
🔵 Cons HQ have sent lust of 93 vacant seats open for applications: 1
Daventry (East Midlands)
· Leicester East (East Midlands)
· Leicester South (East Midlands)
· Leicester West (East Midlands)
· Nottingham North and Kimberley (East Midlands)
https://x.com/tomorrowsmps/status/1793674917659205645
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From another PB.
Party girl
Getting blotto with LOTO
The election has only just been called and already pundits and politicos are wondering who's most likely to take Rishi's place as Tory leader after the party's anticipated wipeout.
One journo has been digging through old Cambridge year books and uncovered an interesting entry in a 2001 edition for Suella Braverman (or Suella Fernandes, as she was back then).
While the entry itself focused largely on Suella's legendary drinking talents (recounting the time she got so sloshed she ended up prostrate in the foyer of a plush hotel in Grosvenor Square; or the time she drunkenly laid down on Silver Street and nearly got squashed by a lorry) it's the line at the very bottom of the page that really caught the eye.
The prediction that had been made about Suella back in 2001? "Most probable future career – Leader Of The Opposition".
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Of course, Northern Ireland is - errrr - in the United Kingdom. So being concerned about doesn't exactly sound like a stretch.Sunil_Prasannan said:
"Why is a young man like you concerned about Northern Ireland? What about Vietnam? What about Rhodesia?" - Barbara Castle to Paul Rose MP, in 1967.Casino_Royale said:
Gaza isn't really about Gaza at all, which very few give a fuck about.rcs1000 said:
The first question I ask anyone I don't know is always "So, what's your position on Gaza?".kle4 said:This may be a waste of my allotted image, but I was genuinely surprised at the mere idea that a YIMBY or NIMBY group should be expected to take a position on this issue.
If I do know them, it's different. Instead I say "I just want to check, your position on Gaza hasn't changed has it?"
Candidly, I can't imagine any other way to be.
It's just social proof for Progressives.1 -
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The big question. Littler or Humphreys?1
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Entertaining, but I assume that is the risible Goodwin's lot – hence caution required?Stuartinromford said:Meanwhile, in "once the election is called, that will focus minds" news,
First @techneUK poll of the election
Labour 45%
Tory 19%
Reform 14%
LD 12%
Green 5%
First time the Tories have been under 20% with Techne.
https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1793712476816912724
How quickly has campaign swingback kicked in previously?0 -
Dr Who peaked with The Happiness Patrol, a satire of late 80s Britain featuring an army of Margaret Thatcher stand-ins and an off-brand Bertie Bassett as the Big Bad.turbotubbs said:
I’ve liked this but really want to like it ten times over. I’ve been a fan of Dr Who since the 1970’s. I’ve always been desperate to watch new WHO on TV right until Chibnall took over. So sad to not enjoy something that is an intimate part of my life.viewcode said:
I know Tennant Ten is technically the best, but I still have a soft spot for Matt Smith (from The Eleventh Hour to The Angels Take Manhattan(, and Peter Capaldi (from The Magician's Apprentice to Twice Upon a Time).DecrepiterJohnL said:
Whittaker's gabbling made her speech hard for my foreign chums to follow, although her stories were poor, and the set-up where the lady doctor trailed around her "fam" was vaguely misogynist.Taz said:
Whittaker was terrible but that may be more down to the scripts.bigjohnowls said:
i like them allwooliedyed said:
He's not MY doctor. He's no EcclestonTaz said:
That’s the Doctor.wooliedyed said:
Tenant is a fecking arse. Get him off the threadTheScreamingEagles said:
See the public saw Rishi Sunak as the embodiment of the greatest Doctor ever, that's a win for Rishi.wooliedyed said:Savanta have 44% saying Rishis launch in the rain went badly and..... um 35% think it went well
I thought Peter Capaldi was a bit disappointing though
Tennant was the best actor to play the Doctor.
Trivia: Capaldi is the only Doctor to have won an Oscar (as producer, not actor).
And if RTD is so bloody clever, how come the credits misnamed the character as Doctor Who, and the titles show the Tardis careering around like the starship Enterprise? And why do they keep redesigning the daleks and Tardis? And breathe!
Every decision taken during the Chibnall era was wrong. It's pointless pointing to a specific one, since it was just one large steaming pile of wrong. Jodie's interpretation was wrong. The redesigned Daleks were wrong. The fam were wrong. The CyberTimeLords were wrong. Flux was an enormous serialised wrong. The costume was wrong. The Sunny Delight Master was wrong. The Timeless Child made me cry with the wrongness. It was just rubbish from day one to day last.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0rEe8ultJ4
It's all been downhill from there.1 -
I was going to post a bar chart - but I've used up my picture quotarcs1000 said:
More seriously, I do find Gaza and Israel is an excellent test. If you are unable to acknowledge that two sets of people have both been wronged (Israeli citizens subject to rape, kidnapping and the occasional missile salvo, and Palestinians who have endured creeping invasion), then you are unable to handle nuance, and are not a serious person.Casino_Royale said:
Gaza isn't really about Gaza at all, which very few give a fuck about.rcs1000 said:
The first question I ask anyone I don't know is always "So, what's your position on Gaza?".kle4 said:This may be a waste of my allotted image, but I was genuinely surprised at the mere idea that a YIMBY or NIMBY group should be expected to take a position on this issue.
If I do know them, it's different. Instead I say "I just want to check, your position on Gaza hasn't changed has it?"
Candidly, I can't imagine any other way to be.
It's just social proof for Progressives.
By contrast, Ukraine is a much more clear and obvious case of good and evil.
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Kellie-Jay Keen is also known as Posie Parker.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kellie-Jay_Keen-Minshull0 -
Station's OK...Anabobazina said:
Fair point. Are people ever excited to be in Leicester full stop?Casino_Royale said:
Are people really that excited about becoming a Conservative MP in Leicester?rottenborough said:@Tomorrow'sMPs
@tomorrowsmps
🔵 Cons HQ have sent lust of 93 vacant seats open for applications: 1
Daventry (East Midlands)
· Leicester East (East Midlands)
· Leicester South (East Midlands)
· Leicester West (East Midlands)
· Nottingham North and Kimberley (East Midlands)
https://x.com/tomorrowsmps/status/17936749176592056451 -
No they are Italians. The difference they have been finding for at least the last 2 months is Labour leading in all age groups including over 65s (by 10% plus)Anabobazina said:
Entertaining, but I assume that is the risible Goodwin's lot – hence caution required?Stuartinromford said:Meanwhile, in "once the election is called, that will focus minds" news,
First @techneUK poll of the election
Labour 45%
Tory 19%
Reform 14%
LD 12%
Green 5%
First time the Tories have been under 20% with Techne.
https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1793712476816912724
How quickly has campaign swingback kicked in previously?
They are hybrid phone/mobile/online pollsters3 -
Nukenoneoftheabove said:The big question. Littler or Humphreys?
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I am not a spread bettor, the downside is too much for me. I had a spread markets one once but traded out and slept better. One concern is on liquidity.rcs1000 said:LibDem seats are too high. Not *wildly* too high, but too high nonetheless.
So, take the LD spread. Its very unlikely that LDs will go below 10, and 15 would be a realistic minimum, so the maximum win is 22 times the stake. On the other side a 1997 style result could lose a similar sum. A Blue Wall blowout with collapsing Tory vote and LDs having a good election could conceivably reach 100 seats. Unlikely but possible. That would be 60 times the stake. The risks are just too asymmetrical for me.
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I think the take-home is that Castle was more concerned about Vietnam and Rhodesia (as was) than social policy (etc.) in part of the UK.rcs1000 said:
Of course, Northern Ireland is - errrr - in the United Kingdom. So being concerned about doesn't exactly sound like a stretch.Sunil_Prasannan said:
"Why is a young man like you concerned about Northern Ireland? What about Vietnam? What about Rhodesia?" - Barbara Castle to Paul Rose MP, in 1967.Casino_Royale said:
Gaza isn't really about Gaza at all, which very few give a fuck about.rcs1000 said:
The first question I ask anyone I don't know is always "So, what's your position on Gaza?".kle4 said:This may be a waste of my allotted image, but I was genuinely surprised at the mere idea that a YIMBY or NIMBY group should be expected to take a position on this issue.
If I do know them, it's different. Instead I say "I just want to check, your position on Gaza hasn't changed has it?"
Candidly, I can't imagine any other way to be.
It's just social proof for Progressives.0 -
I think his is PeoplePolling, no?Anabobazina said:
Entertaining, but I assume that is the risible Goodwin's lot – hence caution required?Stuartinromford said:Meanwhile, in "once the election is called, that will focus minds" news,
First @techneUK poll of the election
Labour 45%
Tory 19%
Reform 14%
LD 12%
Green 5%
First time the Tories have been under 20% with Techne.
https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1793712476816912724
How quickly has campaign swingback kicked in previously?2 -
I suspect there's a few of us with alter egos over there...Dumbosaurus said:
TBF Aln Valley is rubbish.Carnyx said:
Not far from the Aln Valley Railway ... though the Marshall Meadows Cliff Railway no longer runs (just north of Berwick).Dumbosaurus said:
Next time you're up in the North East, suggest going a little bit further and doing LIndisfarneSunil_Prasannan said:
Unfortunately, no, due to the weather! I did do three bits of railway in Scarborough: The North Bay Railway, and the two Cliff Lifts.bigjohnowls said:
Did you go on the NYMR steam train from Pickering?Sunil_Prasannan said:My picture for Vanilla. Whitby Abbey in the fog, last Friday:
Speaking of NE rail stuff Sunil will be going to, there's gonna be a Railforums trip when the Northumberland line opens and depending on other commitments I'll be there. Now he just has to figure out which one I am...1 -
At least the Tories can't go any lower than 19%. Or maybe they can.Stuartinromford said:Meanwhile, in "once the election is called, that will focus minds" news,
First @techneUK poll of the election
Labour 45%
Tory 19%
Reform 14%
LD 12%
Green 5%
First time the Tories have been under 20% with Techne.
https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1793712476816912724
How quickly has campaign swingback kicked in previously?2 -
I cannot agree. The gothic era of Baker (Pyramids of Mars, Brain of Morbius etc) was the peak for old who. And the new version has had some brilliant episodes (Blink, Silence in the Library).kyf_100 said:
Dr Who peaked with The Happiness Patrol, a satire of late 80s Britain featuring an army of Margaret Thatcher stand-ins and an off-brand Bertie Bassett as the Big Bad.turbotubbs said:
I’ve liked this but really want to like it ten times over. I’ve been a fan of Dr Who since the 1970’s. I’ve always been desperate to watch new WHO on TV right until Chibnall took over. So sad to not enjoy something that is an intimate part of my life.viewcode said:
I know Tennant Ten is technically the best, but I still have a soft spot for Matt Smith (from The Eleventh Hour to The Angels Take Manhattan(, and Peter Capaldi (from The Magician's Apprentice to Twice Upon a Time).DecrepiterJohnL said:
Whittaker's gabbling made her speech hard for my foreign chums to follow, although her stories were poor, and the set-up where the lady doctor trailed around her "fam" was vaguely misogynist.Taz said:
Whittaker was terrible but that may be more down to the scripts.bigjohnowls said:
i like them allwooliedyed said:
He's not MY doctor. He's no EcclestonTaz said:
That’s the Doctor.wooliedyed said:
Tenant is a fecking arse. Get him off the threadTheScreamingEagles said:
See the public saw Rishi Sunak as the embodiment of the greatest Doctor ever, that's a win for Rishi.wooliedyed said:Savanta have 44% saying Rishis launch in the rain went badly and..... um 35% think it went well
I thought Peter Capaldi was a bit disappointing though
Tennant was the best actor to play the Doctor.
Trivia: Capaldi is the only Doctor to have won an Oscar (as producer, not actor).
And if RTD is so bloody clever, how come the credits misnamed the character as Doctor Who, and the titles show the Tardis careering around like the starship Enterprise? And why do they keep redesigning the daleks and Tardis? And breathe!
Every decision taken during the Chibnall era was wrong. It's pointless pointing to a specific one, since it was just one large steaming pile of wrong. Jodie's interpretation was wrong. The redesigned Daleks were wrong. The fam were wrong. The CyberTimeLords were wrong. Flux was an enormous serialised wrong. The costume was wrong. The Sunny Delight Master was wrong. The Timeless Child made me cry with the wrongness. It was just rubbish from day one to day last.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0rEe8ultJ4
It's all been downhill from there.4 -
CON would be on 50 seats on that poll!Andy_JS said:
At least the Tories can't go any lower than 19%. Or maybe they can.Stuartinromford said:Meanwhile, in "once the election is called, that will focus minds" news,
First @techneUK poll of the election
Labour 45%
Tory 19%
Reform 14%
LD 12%
Green 5%
First time the Tories have been under 20% with Techne.
https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1793712476816912724
How quickly has campaign swingback kicked in previously?
However there were polls showing similar LAB leads early in 1997 campaign.1 -
THERE. IS. ONLY. ONE. PARKWAYviewcode said:
WHICH PARKWAY? THERE ARE SEVERAL. A PARKWAY STATION IS A STATION CONSTRUCTED OUT OF THE WAY SO CARS CAN DRIVE TO IT FROM TOWN INSTEAD OF DRIVING INTO TOWN AND HENCE AVOIDING CONGESTION.Leon said:JUST PASSED ROBERT PESTON ON PARKWAY
Also
PEOPLE ARE WEARING MASKS AGAIN FFS
https://press.disney.co.uk/news/executive-producer-dua-lipa-reveals-trailer-for-disney+-original-series-camden-premiering-may-29-on-disney+0 -
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I think the Blackpool North Station tram extension (rather short to be honest) and the Leven branch up in Scotland are opening imminently.Dumbosaurus said:
TBF Aln Valley is rubbish.Carnyx said:
Not far from the Aln Valley Railway ... though the Marshall Meadows Cliff Railway no longer runs (just north of Berwick).Dumbosaurus said:
Next time you're up in the North East, suggest going a little bit further and doing LIndisfarneSunil_Prasannan said:
Unfortunately, no, due to the weather! I did do three bits of railway in Scarborough: The North Bay Railway, and the two Cliff Lifts.bigjohnowls said:
Did you go on the NYMR steam train from Pickering?Sunil_Prasannan said:My picture for Vanilla. Whitby Abbey in the fog, last Friday:
Speaking of NE rail stuff Sunil will be going to, there's gonna be a Railforums trip when the Northumberland line opens and depending on other commitments I'll be there. Now he just has to figure out which one I am...0 -
There's an obscure one in the Flatlands that opened recently that I bet isn't on anyone's list:Carnyx said:
Not far from the Aln Valley Railway ... though the Marshall Meadows Cliff Railway no longer runs (just north of Berwick).Dumbosaurus said:
Next time you're up in the North East, suggest going a little bit further and doing LIndisfarneSunil_Prasannan said:
Unfortunately, no, due to the weather! I did do three bits of railway in Scarborough: The North Bay Railway, and the two Cliff Lifts.bigjohnowls said:
Did you go on the NYMR steam train from Pickering?Sunil_Prasannan said:My picture for Vanilla. Whitby Abbey in the fog, last Friday:
https://peatland.co.uk/
There's a fair number of narrow gauge engines that were used to haul peat off the moors.
[Barely 1km I think]2 -
Ah, Blink was the first one with the stone angel baddies, wasn't it? That scared me even as an adult.turbotubbs said:
I cannot agree. The gothic era of Baker (Pyramids of Mars, Brain of Morbius etc) was the peak for old who. And the new version has had some brilliant episodes (Blink, Silence in the Library).kyf_100 said:
Dr Who peaked with The Happiness Patrol, a satire of late 80s Britain featuring an army of Margaret Thatcher stand-ins and an off-brand Bertie Bassett as the Big Bad.turbotubbs said:
I’ve liked this but really want to like it ten times over. I’ve been a fan of Dr Who since the 1970’s. I’ve always been desperate to watch new WHO on TV right until Chibnall took over. So sad to not enjoy something that is an intimate part of my life.viewcode said:
I know Tennant Ten is technically the best, but I still have a soft spot for Matt Smith (from The Eleventh Hour to The Angels Take Manhattan(, and Peter Capaldi (from The Magician's Apprentice to Twice Upon a Time).DecrepiterJohnL said:
Whittaker's gabbling made her speech hard for my foreign chums to follow, although her stories were poor, and the set-up where the lady doctor trailed around her "fam" was vaguely misogynist.Taz said:
Whittaker was terrible but that may be more down to the scripts.bigjohnowls said:
i like them allwooliedyed said:
He's not MY doctor. He's no EcclestonTaz said:
That’s the Doctor.wooliedyed said:
Tenant is a fecking arse. Get him off the threadTheScreamingEagles said:
See the public saw Rishi Sunak as the embodiment of the greatest Doctor ever, that's a win for Rishi.wooliedyed said:Savanta have 44% saying Rishis launch in the rain went badly and..... um 35% think it went well
I thought Peter Capaldi was a bit disappointing though
Tennant was the best actor to play the Doctor.
Trivia: Capaldi is the only Doctor to have won an Oscar (as producer, not actor).
And if RTD is so bloody clever, how come the credits misnamed the character as Doctor Who, and the titles show the Tardis careering around like the starship Enterprise? And why do they keep redesigning the daleks and Tardis? And breathe!
Every decision taken during the Chibnall era was wrong. It's pointless pointing to a specific one, since it was just one large steaming pile of wrong. Jodie's interpretation was wrong. The redesigned Daleks were wrong. The fam were wrong. The CyberTimeLords were wrong. Flux was an enormous serialised wrong. The costume was wrong. The Sunny Delight Master was wrong. The Timeless Child made me cry with the wrongness. It was just rubbish from day one to day last.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0rEe8ultJ4
It's all been downhill from there.
Sylvester McCoy remains my favourite Doctor, though, even if he did get more than his fair share of bad scripts and ridiculously low rent productions. Clownish at first, but darker and more manipulative as the series went on.2 -
We could have a mini PB meetup.Dumbosaurus said:
TBF Aln Valley is rubbish.Carnyx said:
Not far from the Aln Valley Railway ... though the Marshall Meadows Cliff Railway no longer runs (just north of Berwick).Dumbosaurus said:
Next time you're up in the North East, suggest going a little bit further and doing LIndisfarneSunil_Prasannan said:
Unfortunately, no, due to the weather! I did do three bits of railway in Scarborough: The North Bay Railway, and the two Cliff Lifts.bigjohnowls said:
Did you go on the NYMR steam train from Pickering?Sunil_Prasannan said:My picture for Vanilla. Whitby Abbey in the fog, last Friday:
Speaking of NE rail stuff Sunil will be going to, there's gonna be a Railforums trip when the Northumberland line opens and depending on other commitments I'll be there. Now he just has to figure out which one I am...1 -
I just got pissed on good quality champagne provided by a well known upmarket tour operator at a function at the "Elvis Experience" museum at the Arches by the Shard
I mention this not to boast of my high falutin' social connexions, I was probably the most famous person there, it was that E list, but because of the quality of booze provided. These things, I have discovered, are a good test of how the travel biz is doing, and how therefore the wider economy is doing
The company was launching a whole new raft of holidays, on a new continent. The booze was therefore very good and free flowing, they told me business was great
Despite everything, economically things are deffo picking up, a natural vigour and confidence may finally be returning
I hesitate to say London is back, but Travel is definitely back. I have commissions stretching to Christmas, all over the world, and no problem finding people to send me, even for the humble Knappers' Gazette
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The Tories have given up. Hearing astonishing things in places like Surrey. Feels like this could be an election where the old rules get junked.Foxy said:
I am not a spread bettor, the downside is too much for me. I had a spread markets one once but traded out and slept better. One concern is on liquidity.rcs1000 said:LibDem seats are too high. Not *wildly* too high, but too high nonetheless.
So, take the LD spread. Its very unlikely that LDs will go below 10, and 15 would be a realistic minimum, so the maximum win is 22 times the stake. On the other side a 1997 style result could lose a similar sum. A Blue Wall blowout with collapsing Tory vote and LDs having a good election could conceivably reach 100 seats. Unlikely but possible. That would be 60 times the stake. The risks are just too asymmetrical for me.2 -
Bit of a coup for Galloway, Khalil Ahmed the Lab 2019 candidate for Wycombe standing for WPB in Wycombe again against Steve Baker0
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The Cartmel master plan foreshadows the narrative arcs of modern Who. I think McCoy suffered from a lot of stuff.kyf_100 said:
Ah, Blink was the first one with the stone angel baddies, wasn't it? That scared me even as an adult.turbotubbs said:
I cannot agree. The gothic era of Baker (Pyramids of Mars, Brain of Morbius etc) was the peak for old who. And the new version has had some brilliant episodes (Blink, Silence in the Library).kyf_100 said:
Dr Who peaked with The Happiness Patrol, a satire of late 80s Britain featuring an army of Margaret Thatcher stand-ins and an off-brand Bertie Bassett as the Big Bad.turbotubbs said:
I’ve liked this but really want to like it ten times over. I’ve been a fan of Dr Who since the 1970’s. I’ve always been desperate to watch new WHO on TV right until Chibnall took over. So sad to not enjoy something that is an intimate part of my life.viewcode said:
I know Tennant Ten is technically the best, but I still have a soft spot for Matt Smith (from The Eleventh Hour to The Angels Take Manhattan(, and Peter Capaldi (from The Magician's Apprentice to Twice Upon a Time).DecrepiterJohnL said:
Whittaker's gabbling made her speech hard for my foreign chums to follow, although her stories were poor, and the set-up where the lady doctor trailed around her "fam" was vaguely misogynist.Taz said:
Whittaker was terrible but that may be more down to the scripts.bigjohnowls said:
i like them allwooliedyed said:
He's not MY doctor. He's no EcclestonTaz said:
That’s the Doctor.wooliedyed said:
Tenant is a fecking arse. Get him off the threadTheScreamingEagles said:
See the public saw Rishi Sunak as the embodiment of the greatest Doctor ever, that's a win for Rishi.wooliedyed said:Savanta have 44% saying Rishis launch in the rain went badly and..... um 35% think it went well
I thought Peter Capaldi was a bit disappointing though
Tennant was the best actor to play the Doctor.
Trivia: Capaldi is the only Doctor to have won an Oscar (as producer, not actor).
And if RTD is so bloody clever, how come the credits misnamed the character as Doctor Who, and the titles show the Tardis careering around like the starship Enterprise? And why do they keep redesigning the daleks and Tardis? And breathe!
Every decision taken during the Chibnall era was wrong. It's pointless pointing to a specific one, since it was just one large steaming pile of wrong. Jodie's interpretation was wrong. The redesigned Daleks were wrong. The fam were wrong. The CyberTimeLords were wrong. Flux was an enormous serialised wrong. The costume was wrong. The Sunny Delight Master was wrong. The Timeless Child made me cry with the wrongness. It was just rubbish from day one to day last.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0rEe8ultJ4
It's all been downhill from there.
Sylvester McCoy remains my favourite Doctor, though, even if he did get more than his fair share of bad scripts and ridiculously low rent productions. Clownish at first, but darker and more manipulative as the series went on.2 -
Yes. I continue to think that the real story of this election will not be Labour’s % but the Conservative one.londonpubman said:
CON would be on 50 seats on that poll!Andy_JS said:
At least the Tories can't go any lower than 19%. Or maybe they can.Stuartinromford said:Meanwhile, in "once the election is called, that will focus minds" news,
First @techneUK poll of the election
Labour 45%
Tory 19%
Reform 14%
LD 12%
Green 5%
First time the Tories have been under 20% with Techne.
https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1793712476816912724
How quickly has campaign swingback kicked in previously?
However there were polls showing similar LAB leads early in 1997 campaign.
19% Conservative vote share is 7% below their lowest polling in the whole of 1997 up to the GE.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_1997_United_Kingdom_general_election
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1) I stand corrected.Sunil_Prasannan said:
1) I'm actually 48!Benpointer said:
A 45 yo virgin speaksSunil_Prasannan said:"The spreads are open"
Wa-hey! That sounds INCREDIBLY rude!
2) How do you know I'm a virgin?
2) You told us, surely?0 -
There were, but (Gold Standard) ICM went on to become the model for how everyone does polling now.londonpubman said:
CON would be on 50 seats on that poll!Andy_JS said:
At least the Tories can't go any lower than 19%. Or maybe they can.Stuartinromford said:Meanwhile, in "once the election is called, that will focus minds" news,
First @techneUK poll of the election
Labour 45%
Tory 19%
Reform 14%
LD 12%
Green 5%
First time the Tories have been under 20% with Techne.
https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1793712476816912724
How quickly has campaign swingback kicked in previously?
However there were polls showing similar LAB leads early in 1997 campaign.
On 2/3/97, they had L48C30LD16
On 31/3/97, they had L46C32LD17.0 -
This is a new era. I reckon the Tories are gonna get the blame for EVERYTHING that has gone wrong since 2019. Not just Brexit (which is deserved), not just immigration and small boats (MORE than deserved) but also Covid, Ukraine, Gaza, inflation, Cameron, the Coalition, Clegg, student fees, litter, bad weather, my nan, your divorce, the decline of Bake Off, Man City winning too many times, kicking out Boris, the state of the high street, the state of your wife's face, your recent parking fine, you name it, the voters are going to blame the Govt for EVERYTHING and they are going to give this hapless bunch of spineless posho chancers the biggest kicking we have seen in British electoral history, out of sheer spite, venom, revenge and angerlondonpubman said:
CON would be on 50 seats on that poll!Andy_JS said:
At least the Tories can't go any lower than 19%. Or maybe they can.Stuartinromford said:Meanwhile, in "once the election is called, that will focus minds" news,
First @techneUK poll of the election
Labour 45%
Tory 19%
Reform 14%
LD 12%
Green 5%
First time the Tories have been under 20% with Techne.
https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1793712476816912724
How quickly has campaign swingback kicked in previously?
However there were polls showing similar LAB leads early in 1997 campaign.
They should be thankful Farage bottled it, if he was in it, I reckon Reform could actually get more votes than the Tories. As it is I can EASILY see the Tories slipping under 100 seats3 -
Interesting. Surrey is definitely one to watch. Could be some major scalps with the blue county turning yellow.Cicero said:
The Tories have given up. Hearing astonishing things in places like Surrey. Feels like this could be an election where the old rules get junked.Foxy said:
I am not a spread bettor, the downside is too much for me. I had a spread markets one once but traded out and slept better. One concern is on liquidity.rcs1000 said:LibDem seats are too high. Not *wildly* too high, but too high nonetheless.
So, take the LD spread. Its very unlikely that LDs will go below 10, and 15 would be a realistic minimum, so the maximum win is 22 times the stake. On the other side a 1997 style result could lose a similar sum. A Blue Wall blowout with collapsing Tory vote and LDs having a good election could conceivably reach 100 seats. Unlikely but possible. That would be 60 times the stake. The risks are just too asymmetrical for me.1 -
Great news for Steve Baker!wooliedyed said:Bit of a coup for Galloway, Khalil Ahmed the Lab 2019 candidate for Wycombe standing for WPB in Wycombe again against Steve Baker
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In 1967, Northern Ireland was just starting to unravel. Paul Rose was one of few who were concerned or even noticed. This was five years before Bloody Sunday, for instance. Rhodesia's UDI (unilateral declaration of independence from Britain) had been a year or so earlier, and we all know about Vietnam.Sunil_Prasannan said:
I think the take-home is that Castle was more concerned about Vietnam and Rhodesia (as was) than social policy (etc.) in part of the UK.rcs1000 said:
Of course, Northern Ireland is - errrr - in the United Kingdom. So being concerned about doesn't exactly sound like a stretch.Sunil_Prasannan said:
"Why is a young man like you concerned about Northern Ireland? What about Vietnam? What about Rhodesia?" - Barbara Castle to Paul Rose MP, in 1967.Casino_Royale said:
Gaza isn't really about Gaza at all, which very few give a fuck about.rcs1000 said:
The first question I ask anyone I don't know is always "So, what's your position on Gaza?".kle4 said:This may be a waste of my allotted image, but I was genuinely surprised at the mere idea that a YIMBY or NIMBY group should be expected to take a position on this issue.
If I do know them, it's different. Instead I say "I just want to check, your position on Gaza hasn't changed has it?"
Candidly, I can't imagine any other way to be.
It's just social proof for Progressives.3 -
You forgot one. Liz Truss killed The Queen.Leon said:
This is a new era. I reckon the Tories are gonna get the blame for EVERYTHING that has gone wrong since 2019. Not just Brexit (which is deserved), not just immigration and small boats (MORE than deserved) but also Covid, Ukraine, Gaza, inflation, Cameron, the Coalition, Clegg, student fees, litter, bad weather, my nan, your divorce, the decline of Bake Off, Man City winning too many times, kicking out Boris, the state of the high street, the state of your wife's face, your recent parking fine, you name it, the voters are going to blame the Govt for EVERYTHING and they are going to give this hapless bunch of spineless posho chancers the biggest kicking we have seen in British electoral history, out of sheer spite, venom, revenge and angerlondonpubman said:
CON would be on 50 seats on that poll!Andy_JS said:
At least the Tories can't go any lower than 19%. Or maybe they can.Stuartinromford said:Meanwhile, in "once the election is called, that will focus minds" news,
First @techneUK poll of the election
Labour 45%
Tory 19%
Reform 14%
LD 12%
Green 5%
First time the Tories have been under 20% with Techne.
https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1793712476816912724
How quickly has campaign swingback kicked in previously?
However there were polls showing similar LAB leads early in 1997 campaign.
They should be thankful Farage bottled it, if he was in it, I reckon Reform could actually get more votes than the Tories. As it is I can EASILY say the Tories slipping under 100 seats5 -
Bakers a funny one. I disagree with him on most of the big issues, but if I were in his constituency it is possible I might vote for him as I think he has displayed some very rare (in politicians) and undervalued characteristics over the last couple of years. Humility and teamwork.wooliedyed said:Bit of a coup for Galloway, Khalil Ahmed the Lab 2019 candidate for Wycombe standing for WPB in Wycombe again against Steve Baker
He seems to have made the journey from headbanger to pragmatist, which is the opposite to most of his colleagues.8 -
The main factor in RefUK outpolling the Conservatives is not Farage but how many seats have candidates. imo Tice is whistling in the dark if he thinks they will run a full slate.Leon said:
This is a new era. I reckon the Tories are gonna get the blame for EVERYTHING that has gone wrong since 2019. Not just Brexit (which is deserved), not just immigration and small boats (MORE than deserved) but also Covid, Ukraine, Gaza, inflation, Cameron, the Coalition, Clegg, student fees, litter, bad weather, my nan, your divorce, the decline of Bake Off, Man City winning too many times, kicking out Boris, the state of the high street, the state of your wife's face, your recent parking fine, you name it, the voters are going to blame the Govt for EVERYTHING and they are going to give this hapless bunch of spineless posho chancers the biggest kicking we have seen in British electoral history, out of sheer spite, venom, revenge and angerlondonpubman said:
CON would be on 50 seats on that poll!Andy_JS said:
At least the Tories can't go any lower than 19%. Or maybe they can.Stuartinromford said:Meanwhile, in "once the election is called, that will focus minds" news,
First @techneUK poll of the election
Labour 45%
Tory 19%
Reform 14%
LD 12%
Green 5%
First time the Tories have been under 20% with Techne.
https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1793712476816912724
How quickly has campaign swingback kicked in previously?
However there were polls showing similar LAB leads early in 1997 campaign.
They should be thankful Farage bottled it, if he was in it, I reckon Reform could actually get more votes than the Tories. As it is I can EASILY see the Tories slipping under 100 seats0 -
2) I can't remember!Benpointer said:
1) I stand corrected.Sunil_Prasannan said:
1) I'm actually 48!Benpointer said:
A 45 yo virgin speaksSunil_Prasannan said:"The spreads are open"
Wa-hey! That sounds INCREDIBLY rude!
2) How do you know I'm a virgin?
2) You told us, surely? 0 -
Indeed. The Queen. The fuckers KILLED THE QUEENHeathener said:
You forgot one. Liz Truss killed The Queen.Leon said:
This is a new era. I reckon the Tories are gonna get the blame for EVERYTHING that has gone wrong since 2019. Not just Brexit (which is deserved), not just immigration and small boats (MORE than deserved) but also Covid, Ukraine, Gaza, inflation, Cameron, the Coalition, Clegg, student fees, litter, bad weather, my nan, your divorce, the decline of Bake Off, Man City winning too many times, kicking out Boris, the state of the high street, the state of your wife's face, your recent parking fine, you name it, the voters are going to blame the Govt for EVERYTHING and they are going to give this hapless bunch of spineless posho chancers the biggest kicking we have seen in British electoral history, out of sheer spite, venom, revenge and angerlondonpubman said:
CON would be on 50 seats on that poll!Andy_JS said:
At least the Tories can't go any lower than 19%. Or maybe they can.Stuartinromford said:Meanwhile, in "once the election is called, that will focus minds" news,
First @techneUK poll of the election
Labour 45%
Tory 19%
Reform 14%
LD 12%
Green 5%
First time the Tories have been under 20% with Techne.
https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1793712476816912724
How quickly has campaign swingback kicked in previously?
However there were polls showing similar LAB leads early in 1997 campaign.
They should be thankful Farage bottled it, if he was in it, I reckon Reform could actually get more votes than the Tories. As it is I can EASILY say the Tories slipping under 100 seats
I disagree with you on almost everything. OK everything, but I agree with you on this. This election is potentially unprecedented in its horror for the governing party, the anger and contempt for the Tories is off the dial
They have successfully alienated everyone apart from wealthy pensioners who love mass, unchecked immigration. This is a small cohort, to put it mildly. It's probably Roger4 -
Vote WPB, get Tory.RochdalePioneers said:
Great news for Steve Baker!wooliedyed said:Bit of a coup for Galloway, Khalil Ahmed the Lab 2019 candidate for Wycombe standing for WPB in Wycombe again against Steve Baker
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They had just a 5% lead with a week to go, so rogue polls are possible, even with gold standards.Stuartinromford said:
There were, but (Gold Standard) ICM went on to become the model for how everyone does polling now.londonpubman said:
CON would be on 50 seats on that poll!Andy_JS said:
At least the Tories can't go any lower than 19%. Or maybe they can.Stuartinromford said:Meanwhile, in "once the election is called, that will focus minds" news,
First @techneUK poll of the election
Labour 45%
Tory 19%
Reform 14%
LD 12%
Green 5%
First time the Tories have been under 20% with Techne.
https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1793712476816912724
How quickly has campaign swingback kicked in previously?
However there were polls showing similar LAB leads early in 1997 campaign.
On 2/3/97, they had L48C30LD16
On 31/3/97, they had L46C32LD17.
Is it possible a humans eventually vote is 90% settled weeks or months in advance, but they tell pollsters different things in campaign weeks based on prevailing mood on the day? Similar to after event false recall - which isn’t actually recall it’s a lie, voters feel a compulsion to fib to pollsters before elections too.0 -
The Americans were pressuring us to send troops to Vietnam (like South Korea, Australia and NZ) but Wilson refused. It was a big issue at the time. As was the White Supremacist regime in Rhodesia with its UDI.DecrepiterJohnL said:
In 1967, Northern Ireland was just starting to unravel. Paul Rose was one of few who were concerned or even noticed. This was five years before Bloody Sunday, for instance. Rhodesia's UDI (unilateral declaration of independence from Britain) had been a year or so earlier, and we all know about Vietnam.Sunil_Prasannan said:
I think the take-home is that Castle was more concerned about Vietnam and Rhodesia (as was) than social policy (etc.) in part of the UK.rcs1000 said:
Of course, Northern Ireland is - errrr - in the United Kingdom. So being concerned about doesn't exactly sound like a stretch.Sunil_Prasannan said:
"Why is a young man like you concerned about Northern Ireland? What about Vietnam? What about Rhodesia?" - Barbara Castle to Paul Rose MP, in 1967.Casino_Royale said:
Gaza isn't really about Gaza at all, which very few give a fuck about.rcs1000 said:
The first question I ask anyone I don't know is always "So, what's your position on Gaza?".kle4 said:This may be a waste of my allotted image, but I was genuinely surprised at the mere idea that a YIMBY or NIMBY group should be expected to take a position on this issue.
If I do know them, it's different. Instead I say "I just want to check, your position on Gaza hasn't changed has it?"
Candidly, I can't imagine any other way to be.
It's just social proof for Progressives.2 -
Listening to some people it probably works the other way aroundSunil_Prasannan said:
Vote WPB, get Tory.RochdalePioneers said:
Great news for Steve Baker!wooliedyed said:Bit of a coup for Galloway, Khalil Ahmed the Lab 2019 candidate for Wycombe standing for WPB in Wycombe again against Steve Baker
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Seems a shame he's so cross with them, considering.Leon said:
Indeed. The Queen. The fuckers KILLED THE QUEENHeathener said:
You forgot one. Liz Truss killed The Queen.Leon said:
This is a new era. I reckon the Tories are gonna get the blame for EVERYTHING that has gone wrong since 2019. Not just Brexit (which is deserved), not just immigration and small boats (MORE than deserved) but also Covid, Ukraine, Gaza, inflation, Cameron, the Coalition, Clegg, student fees, litter, bad weather, my nan, your divorce, the decline of Bake Off, Man City winning too many times, kicking out Boris, the state of the high street, the state of your wife's face, your recent parking fine, you name it, the voters are going to blame the Govt for EVERYTHING and they are going to give this hapless bunch of spineless posho chancers the biggest kicking we have seen in British electoral history, out of sheer spite, venom, revenge and angerlondonpubman said:
CON would be on 50 seats on that poll!Andy_JS said:
At least the Tories can't go any lower than 19%. Or maybe they can.Stuartinromford said:Meanwhile, in "once the election is called, that will focus minds" news,
First @techneUK poll of the election
Labour 45%
Tory 19%
Reform 14%
LD 12%
Green 5%
First time the Tories have been under 20% with Techne.
https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1793712476816912724
How quickly has campaign swingback kicked in previously?
However there were polls showing similar LAB leads early in 1997 campaign.
They should be thankful Farage bottled it, if he was in it, I reckon Reform could actually get more votes than the Tories. As it is I can EASILY say the Tories slipping under 100 seats
I disagree with you on almost everything. OK everything, but I agree with you on this. This election is potentially unprecedented in its horror for the governing party, the anger and contempt for the Tories is off the dial
They have successfully alienated everyone apart from wealthy pensioners who love mass, unchecked immigration. This is a small cohort, to put it mildly. It's probably Roger0 -
Ah apologies, I think you are right.DougSeal said:
I think his is PeoplePolling, no?Anabobazina said:
Entertaining, but I assume that is the risible Goodwin's lot – hence caution required?Stuartinromford said:Meanwhile, in "once the election is called, that will focus minds" news,
First @techneUK poll of the election
Labour 45%
Tory 19%
Reform 14%
LD 12%
Green 5%
First time the Tories have been under 20% with Techne.
https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1793712476816912724
How quickly has campaign swingback kicked in previously?0 -
Blackpool North Station is an "experience". Only station I know where they don't let you on the platform until your train is at the platform. Apparently fare-dodging is endemic.Sunil_Prasannan said:
I think the Blackpool North Station tram extension (rather short to be honest) and the Leven branch up in Scotland are opening imminently.Dumbosaurus said:
TBF Aln Valley is rubbish.Carnyx said:
Not far from the Aln Valley Railway ... though the Marshall Meadows Cliff Railway no longer runs (just north of Berwick).Dumbosaurus said:
Next time you're up in the North East, suggest going a little bit further and doing LIndisfarneSunil_Prasannan said:
Unfortunately, no, due to the weather! I did do three bits of railway in Scarborough: The North Bay Railway, and the two Cliff Lifts.bigjohnowls said:
Did you go on the NYMR steam train from Pickering?Sunil_Prasannan said:My picture for Vanilla. Whitby Abbey in the fog, last Friday:
Speaking of NE rail stuff Sunil will be going to, there's gonna be a Railforums trip when the Northumberland line opens and depending on other commitments I'll be there. Now he just has to figure out which one I am...0 -
Good quality because it was or because you saw the label? We live in a golden age of sparkling wine because horrible overpriced prosecco has induced cutthroat pricing for all sorts of cremant and cava and blanquette de limoux and so on. I am currently polishing off a bottle of agreeable cava from Tesco which cost about 60 % of the price of a pint of pub beer.Leon said:I just got pissed on good quality champagne provided by a well known upmarket tour operator at a function at the "Elvis Experience" museum at the Arches by the Shard
I mention this not to boast of my high falutin' social connexions, I was probably the most famous person there, it was that E list, but because of the quality of booze provided. These things, I have discovered, are a good test of how the travel biz is doing, and how therefore the wider economy is doing
The company was launching a whole new raft of holidays, on a new continent. The booze was therefore very good and free flowing, they told me business was great
Despite everything, economically things are deffo picking up, a natural vigour and confidence may finally be returning
I hesitate to say London is back, but Travel is definitely back. I have commissions stretching to Christmas, all over the world, and no problem finding people to send me, even for the humble Knappers' Gazette
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They are getting 16% on election day.rcs1000 said:LibDem seats are too high. Not *wildly* too high, but too high nonetheless.
0 -
I think a lot of the "swingback" and "shy Tory" phenomena in 1992, 1997 and 2001 was about selective turnout, but that seems to have faded more recently. I suspect in large part down to the SE demographics of both Labour and Tory voters changing.MoonRabbit said:
They had just a 5% lead with a week to go, so rogue polls are possible, even with gold standards.Stuartinromford said:
There were, but (Gold Standard) ICM went on to become the model for how everyone does polling now.londonpubman said:
CON would be on 50 seats on that poll!Andy_JS said:
At least the Tories can't go any lower than 19%. Or maybe they can.Stuartinromford said:Meanwhile, in "once the election is called, that will focus minds" news,
First @techneUK poll of the election
Labour 45%
Tory 19%
Reform 14%
LD 12%
Green 5%
First time the Tories have been under 20% with Techne.
https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1793712476816912724
How quickly has campaign swingback kicked in previously?
However there were polls showing similar LAB leads early in 1997 campaign.
On 2/3/97, they had L48C30LD16
On 31/3/97, they had L46C32LD17.
Is it possible a humans eventually vote is 90% settled weeks or months in advance, but they tell pollsters different things in campaign weeks based on prevailing mood on the day? Similar to after event false recall - which isn’t actually recall it’s a lie, voters feel a compulsion to fib to pollsters before elections too.1 -
I don’t think you’ll like a 300 seat Labour majority, but then democracy means the people deserve to get what they vote for, good and hard.Leon said:
This is a new era. I reckon the Tories are gonna get the blame for EVERYTHING that has gone wrong since 2019. Not just Brexit (which is deserved), not just immigration and small boats (MORE than deserved) but also Covid, Ukraine, Gaza, inflation, Cameron, the Coalition, Clegg, student fees, litter, bad weather, my nan, your divorce, the decline of Bake Off, Man City winning too many times, kicking out Boris, the state of the high street, the state of your wife's face, your recent parking fine, you name it, the voters are going to blame the Govt for EVERYTHING and they are going to give this hapless bunch of spineless posho chancers the biggest kicking we have seen in British electoral history, out of sheer spite, venom, revenge and angerlondonpubman said:
CON would be on 50 seats on that poll!Andy_JS said:
At least the Tories can't go any lower than 19%. Or maybe they can.Stuartinromford said:Meanwhile, in "once the election is called, that will focus minds" news,
First @techneUK poll of the election
Labour 45%
Tory 19%
Reform 14%
LD 12%
Green 5%
First time the Tories have been under 20% with Techne.
https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1793712476816912724
How quickly has campaign swingback kicked in previously?
However there were polls showing similar LAB leads early in 1997 campaign.
They should be thankful Farage bottled it, if he was in it, I reckon Reform could actually get more votes than the Tories. As it is I can EASILY see the Tories slipping under 100 seats1 -
Are you sure you're only 48?Sunil_Prasannan said:
2) I can't remember!Benpointer said:
1) I stand corrected.Sunil_Prasannan said:
1) I'm actually 48!Benpointer said:
A 45 yo virgin speaksSunil_Prasannan said:"The spreads are open"
Wa-hey! That sounds INCREDIBLY rude!
2) How do you know I'm a virgin?
2) You told us, surely?0 -
I DON'T UNDERSTAND. I CAN THINK OF SEVERAL. BRISTOL PARKWAY? HORWICH PARKWAY? ALFRETON AND MANSFIELD PARKWAY? [Not sure that one still exists.]. WHICH PARKWAY? AND WHAT IS THE RELEVANCE OF THE LINK?Leon said:
THERE. IS. ONLY. ONE. PARKWAYviewcode said:
WHICH PARKWAY? THERE ARE SEVERAL. A PARKWAY STATION IS A STATION CONSTRUCTED OUT OF THE WAY SO CARS CAN DRIVE TO IT FROM TOWN INSTEAD OF DRIVING INTO TOWN AND HENCE AVOIDING CONGESTION.Leon said:JUST PASSED ROBERT PESTON ON PARKWAY
Also
PEOPLE ARE WEARING MASKS AGAIN FFS
https://press.disney.co.uk/news/executive-producer-dua-lipa-reveals-trailer-for-disney+-original-series-camden-premiering-may-29-on-disney+0 -
I fear one of the nightmares from the 1997 election might get resurrected.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/05/23/starmer-doesnt-have-the-courage-to-debate-me-says-sunak/
Sunak is going to deploy the bloody chicken isn’t he….2 -
I last visited in 2017. I don't remember such an "experience", maybe they changed since then?No_Offence_Alan said:
Blackpool North Station is an "experience". Only station I know where they don't let you on the platform until your train is at the platform. Apparently fare-dodging is endemic.Sunil_Prasannan said:
I think the Blackpool North Station tram extension (rather short to be honest) and the Leven branch up in Scotland are opening imminently.Dumbosaurus said:
TBF Aln Valley is rubbish.Carnyx said:
Not far from the Aln Valley Railway ... though the Marshall Meadows Cliff Railway no longer runs (just north of Berwick).Dumbosaurus said:
Next time you're up in the North East, suggest going a little bit further and doing LIndisfarneSunil_Prasannan said:
Unfortunately, no, due to the weather! I did do three bits of railway in Scarborough: The North Bay Railway, and the two Cliff Lifts.bigjohnowls said:
Did you go on the NYMR steam train from Pickering?Sunil_Prasannan said:My picture for Vanilla. Whitby Abbey in the fog, last Friday:
Speaking of NE rail stuff Sunil will be going to, there's gonna be a Railforums trip when the Northumberland line opens and depending on other commitments I'll be there. Now he just has to figure out which one I am...0 -
If Farage wasn't having more fun in the US, and had been working away as leader of Reform, then there'd be a chance of Reform surpassing the Tories and squeezing them below 10% - as in the 2019 European elections. But as it is the Tory floor will be higher, because they're the best vote for stemming the Labour tide.Andy_JS said:
At least the Tories can't go any lower than 19%. Or maybe they can.Stuartinromford said:Meanwhile, in "once the election is called, that will focus minds" news,
First @techneUK poll of the election
Labour 45%
Tory 19%
Reform 14%
LD 12%
Green 5%
First time the Tories have been under 20% with Techne.
https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1793712476816912724
How quickly has campaign swingback kicked in previously?2 -
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Been told I look young for my ageBenpointer said:
Are you sure you're only 48?Sunil_Prasannan said:
2) I can't remember!Benpointer said:
1) I stand corrected.Sunil_Prasannan said:
1) I'm actually 48!Benpointer said:
A 45 yo virgin speaksSunil_Prasannan said:"The spreads are open"
Wa-hey! That sounds INCREDIBLY rude!
2) How do you know I'm a virgin?
2) You told us, surely?
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It's a forthcoming Disney documentary about Camden Town, Which is the location of THE ONLY PARKWAY WORTH TALKING ABOUTCookie said:
I DON'T UNDERSTAND. I CAN THINK OF SEVERAL. BRISTOL PARKWAY? HORWICH PARKWAY? ALFRETON AND MANSFIELD PARKWAY? [Not sure that one still exists.]. WHICH PARKWAY? AND WHAT IS THE RELEVANCE OF THE LINK?Leon said:
THERE. IS. ONLY. ONE. PARKWAYviewcode said:
WHICH PARKWAY? THERE ARE SEVERAL. A PARKWAY STATION IS A STATION CONSTRUCTED OUT OF THE WAY SO CARS CAN DRIVE TO IT FROM TOWN INSTEAD OF DRIVING INTO TOWN AND HENCE AVOIDING CONGESTION.Leon said:JUST PASSED ROBERT PESTON ON PARKWAY
Also
PEOPLE ARE WEARING MASKS AGAIN FFS
https://press.disney.co.uk/news/executive-producer-dua-lipa-reveals-trailer-for-disney+-original-series-camden-premiering-may-29-on-disney+
Except maybe Bodmin Parkway, as it is so weird and remote0 -
Something I should really know but have never quite got my head around
Can someone explain the difference between Parliament being prorogued and dissolved?
Thanks!0 -
Incidentally, we inhabit a hell of a bubble. I have had a busy day, amongst both patients and staff.
No one has mentioned the GE or any politician, nor have I overheard anyone speaking of it.2 -
Also, the boundaries have changed to the Tories' advantage in both Romford and Upminster. Labour only won by 649 in Romford in 1997 (to everybody's surprise - no actual campaigning took place as both parties assumed a Tory hold). I would guess a 2-3000 majority for Rosindell now is an equivalent result. The majority in Upminster is even larger. If they lose either this time then we're close to an ELE.Stuartinromford said:
Probably this time- the GLA results didn't show much to worry about. If any of them do go then it really is a really terrible night for the Tories.Cookie said:
Indeed, but right wing enough to stem the tide?Stuartinromford said:
Are we counting Romford, Hornchurch, Upminster (3 seats then, 2 now) as not-London? All three fell to Labour in '97, before drifting back in '01 and '05.Cookie said:
Lab have to underperform against UNS somewhere, and my guess is London. I still wouldn't have the Tories winning anywhere they didn't in 97 though.Heathener said:Against the 1997 Redux argument, I guess it’s possible that Labour might slightly underperform in London.
More significantly, they won 56 seats in Scotland. They’re on a bounce north of the border, but not by that much I doubt.
Anyway, a long way to go and I’d like to see some more opinion polling now that the main VI question ceases to be hypothetical.
The demographic drift has made them more right-wing for now, though probably only for another decade or so.
(Incidentally the Tories played a blinder at the review prior to 2010 in persuading the Electoral Commission to add all the Labour parts of Hornchurch to Dagenham and the Tory parts to Romford and Upminster; IIRC the original proposals were to add some wards from Dagenham to Romford).2 -
The Conservatives have somehow managed to piss off absolutely everyone to the point you're left wondering who their natural constituency is.Cicero said:
The Tories have given up. Hearing astonishing things in places like Surrey. Feels like this could be an election where the old rules get junked.Foxy said:
I am not a spread bettor, the downside is too much for me. I had a spread markets one once but traded out and slept better. One concern is on liquidity.rcs1000 said:LibDem seats are too high. Not *wildly* too high, but too high nonetheless.
So, take the LD spread. Its very unlikely that LDs will go below 10, and 15 would be a realistic minimum, so the maximum win is 22 times the stake. On the other side a 1997 style result could lose a similar sum. A Blue Wall blowout with collapsing Tory vote and LDs having a good election could conceivably reach 100 seats. Unlikely but possible. That would be 60 times the stake. The risks are just too asymmetrical for me.
If you're an oldie, you probably don't like the way you can't get a GP appointment or a hip replacement without going private (or waiting til your leg falls off). Having to be bank of mum and dad for grown up kids in their 30s and 40s who are struggling. Money in savings accounts eroded by cost of living crisis, affecting less savvy pensioners too.
Young-ish? Housing costs, spiralling rents, can't afford kids, zero job stability, lost opportunities to leave due to Brexit, too. Student loans following RPI which has shafted some. Leasehold trap has shafted first time buyers.
Working age entering middle age? Insane childcare costs, wages failing to keep up with inflation, mortgage costs doubling. Plus huge numbers of middle class professionals getting laid off in the last year.
Everyone - country feels like it's falling apart, schools literally falling apart, sewage being dumped into rivers, cost of sticking the heating on or doing a weekly shop has doubled. Life's little luxuries like a pint and a meal out with friends becoming unaffordable for many now. And the Conservatives droning on and on about endless culture war crap like Rwanda, trans and bashing disabled people on benefits, when most people are just struggling to survive.
Will Labour be significantly better? Maybe not. But it feels hard for even the staunchest Conservative supporter to justify giving this lot another 5 years in government - they're out of ideas and need a long period in opposition to figure out why they've managed to alienate most demographics across the country.7 -
So, United vs City again in the Premier League final.
Farage is a funny one. What on earth is he on about - "I was going to run, Sunak heard and called an early election so now I'm not"Leon said:
This is a new era. I reckon the Tories are gonna get the blame for EVERYTHING that has gone wrong since 2019. Not just Brexit (which is deserved), not just immigration and small boats (MORE than deserved) but also Covid, Ukraine, Gaza, inflation, Cameron, the Coalition, Clegg, student fees, litter, bad weather, my nan, your divorce, the decline of Bake Off, Man City winning too many times, kicking out Boris, the state of the high street, the state of your wife's face, your recent parking fine, you name it, the voters are going to blame the Govt for EVERYTHING and they are going to give this hapless bunch of spineless posho chancers the biggest kicking we have seen in British electoral history, out of sheer spite, venom, revenge and angerlondonpubman said:
CON would be on 50 seats on that poll!Andy_JS said:
At least the Tories can't go any lower than 19%. Or maybe they can.Stuartinromford said:Meanwhile, in "once the election is called, that will focus minds" news,
First @techneUK poll of the election
Labour 45%
Tory 19%
Reform 14%
LD 12%
Green 5%
First time the Tories have been under 20% with Techne.
https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1793712476816912724
How quickly has campaign swingback kicked in previously?
However there were polls showing similar LAB leads early in 1997 campaign.
They should be thankful Farage bottled it, if he was in it, I reckon Reform could actually get more votes than the Tories. As it is I can EASILY see the Tories slipping under 100 seats
I assume he is off to the US to insert tongue up Trump arse in the debate. But the rest of the time he will be on GBeebies every night. I have to assume he will be ramping Reform and belittling the Tories every single night.
So what does that do to the remaining Tory vote? Supposedly they think Farage is the most Tory of Tories. And the election is clearly lost. So the battle is for the soul of the Tory party and the Nigel has his lips hovering over the flute...1 -
Is there any truth in the (paywalled) Telegraph article? I would have thought Keir Starmer KC would be happy debating with Sunak.ToryJim said:I fear one of the nightmares from the 1997 election might get resurrected.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/05/23/starmer-doesnt-have-the-courage-to-debate-me-says-sunak/
Sunak is going to deploy the bloody chicken isn’t he….0 -
The Cartmel masterplan was explored in the Virgin New Adventures, which were then hugely influential on modern Who, with RTD's first Who work being a New Adventures novel.turbotubbs said:
The Cartmel master plan foreshadows the narrative arcs of modern Who. I think McCoy suffered from a lot of stuff.kyf_100 said:
Ah, Blink was the first one with the stone angel baddies, wasn't it? That scared me even as an adult.turbotubbs said:
I cannot agree. The gothic era of Baker (Pyramids of Mars, Brain of Morbius etc) was the peak for old who. And the new version has had some brilliant episodes (Blink, Silence in the Library).kyf_100 said:
Dr Who peaked with The Happiness Patrol, a satire of late 80s Britain featuring an army of Margaret Thatcher stand-ins and an off-brand Bertie Bassett as the Big Bad.turbotubbs said:
I’ve liked this but really want to like it ten times over. I’ve been a fan of Dr Who since the 1970’s. I’ve always been desperate to watch new WHO on TV right until Chibnall took over. So sad to not enjoy something that is an intimate part of my life.viewcode said:
I know Tennant Ten is technically the best, but I still have a soft spot for Matt Smith (from The Eleventh Hour to The Angels Take Manhattan(, and Peter Capaldi (from The Magician's Apprentice to Twice Upon a Time).DecrepiterJohnL said:
Whittaker's gabbling made her speech hard for my foreign chums to follow, although her stories were poor, and the set-up where the lady doctor trailed around her "fam" was vaguely misogynist.Taz said:
Whittaker was terrible but that may be more down to the scripts.bigjohnowls said:
i like them allwooliedyed said:
He's not MY doctor. He's no EcclestonTaz said:
That’s the Doctor.wooliedyed said:
Tenant is a fecking arse. Get him off the threadTheScreamingEagles said:
See the public saw Rishi Sunak as the embodiment of the greatest Doctor ever, that's a win for Rishi.wooliedyed said:Savanta have 44% saying Rishis launch in the rain went badly and..... um 35% think it went well
I thought Peter Capaldi was a bit disappointing though
Tennant was the best actor to play the Doctor.
Trivia: Capaldi is the only Doctor to have won an Oscar (as producer, not actor).
And if RTD is so bloody clever, how come the credits misnamed the character as Doctor Who, and the titles show the Tardis careering around like the starship Enterprise? And why do they keep redesigning the daleks and Tardis? And breathe!
Every decision taken during the Chibnall era was wrong. It's pointless pointing to a specific one, since it was just one large steaming pile of wrong. Jodie's interpretation was wrong. The redesigned Daleks were wrong. The fam were wrong. The CyberTimeLords were wrong. Flux was an enormous serialised wrong. The costume was wrong. The Sunny Delight Master was wrong. The Timeless Child made me cry with the wrongness. It was just rubbish from day one to day last.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0rEe8ultJ4
It's all been downhill from there.
Sylvester McCoy remains my favourite Doctor, though, even if he did get more than his fair share of bad scripts and ridiculously low rent productions. Clownish at first, but darker and more manipulative as the series went on.1 -
Early Pertwee for me, or the final full Hartnell season, peak classic Who.turbotubbs said:
I cannot agree. The gothic era of Baker (Pyramids of Mars, Brain of Morbius etc) was the peak for old who. And the new version has had some brilliant episodes (Blink, Silence in the Library).kyf_100 said:
Dr Who peaked with The Happiness Patrol, a satire of late 80s Britain featuring an army of Margaret Thatcher stand-ins and an off-brand Bertie Bassett as the Big Bad.turbotubbs said:
I’ve liked this but really want to like it ten times over. I’ve been a fan of Dr Who since the 1970’s. I’ve always been desperate to watch new WHO on TV right until Chibnall took over. So sad to not enjoy something that is an intimate part of my life.viewcode said:
I know Tennant Ten is technically the best, but I still have a soft spot for Matt Smith (from The Eleventh Hour to The Angels Take Manhattan(, and Peter Capaldi (from The Magician's Apprentice to Twice Upon a Time).DecrepiterJohnL said:
Whittaker's gabbling made her speech hard for my foreign chums to follow, although her stories were poor, and the set-up where the lady doctor trailed around her "fam" was vaguely misogynist.Taz said:
Whittaker was terrible but that may be more down to the scripts.bigjohnowls said:
i like them allwooliedyed said:
He's not MY doctor. He's no EcclestonTaz said:
That’s the Doctor.wooliedyed said:
Tenant is a fecking arse. Get him off the threadTheScreamingEagles said:
See the public saw Rishi Sunak as the embodiment of the greatest Doctor ever, that's a win for Rishi.wooliedyed said:Savanta have 44% saying Rishis launch in the rain went badly and..... um 35% think it went well
I thought Peter Capaldi was a bit disappointing though
Tennant was the best actor to play the Doctor.
Trivia: Capaldi is the only Doctor to have won an Oscar (as producer, not actor).
And if RTD is so bloody clever, how come the credits misnamed the character as Doctor Who, and the titles show the Tardis careering around like the starship Enterprise? And why do they keep redesigning the daleks and Tardis? And breathe!
Every decision taken during the Chibnall era was wrong. It's pointless pointing to a specific one, since it was just one large steaming pile of wrong. Jodie's interpretation was wrong. The redesigned Daleks were wrong. The fam were wrong. The CyberTimeLords were wrong. Flux was an enormous serialised wrong. The costume was wrong. The Sunny Delight Master was wrong. The Timeless Child made me cry with the wrongness. It was just rubbish from day one to day last.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0rEe8ultJ4
It's all been downhill from there.
Gothic Baker was certainly excellent too. Talons of Weng Chiang with its Sherlock Holmes/Fu Manchu influence and Robots of Death being an Agatha Christie murder mystery in space being my highlights.3 -
I'd quite like to see "If you are unable to acknowledge that two sets of people have both been wronged (Israeli citizens subject to rape, kidnapping and the occasional missile salvo, and Palestinians who have endured creeping invasion), then you are unable to handle nuance, and are not a serious person." as a banner header. Or indeed, an introductory piece of text for almost any circumstance, given the ubiquity with which Gaza creeps in.rcs1000 said:
More seriously, I do find Gaza and Israel is an excellent test. If you are unable to acknowledge that two sets of people have both been wronged (Israeli citizens subject to rape, kidnapping and the occasional missile salvo, and Palestinians who have endured creeping invasion), then you are unable to handle nuance, and are not a serious person.Casino_Royale said:
Gaza isn't really about Gaza at all, which very few give a fuck about.rcs1000 said:
The first question I ask anyone I don't know is always "So, what's your position on Gaza?".kle4 said:This may be a waste of my allotted image, but I was genuinely surprised at the mere idea that a YIMBY or NIMBY group should be expected to take a position on this issue.
If I do know them, it's different. Instead I say "I just want to check, your position on Gaza hasn't changed has it?"
Candidly, I can't imagine any other way to be.
It's just social proof for Progressives.
By contrast, Ukraine is a much more clear and obvious case of good and evil.0 -
@PolitlcsUK
🚨 NEW: Rishi Sunak is refusing to honour Piers Morgan’s £1000 charity bet as an asylum seeker was voluntarily sent to Rwanda
@jamesrbuk
Also, this smacks of bad staff work – this was absolutely going to come up in this interview, and they surely gamed it out. How was a multimillionaire PM refusing to donate £1,000 to charity the best outcome they could find?2 -
@robfordmancs
Making the bet was already an unforced error (two very rich men joking about £1k as if it is pocket change). Sunak has managed to compound it, on day 1 of an election campaign.1 -
It’s still horrible to see a spread market come up saying 150 seats though?Cookie said:FPT:
Not this time. Glumly resigned.Casino_Royale said:I'm already shitting myself about the 10pm SJC exit poll.
Anyone else feel the same?
I was fucking terrified last time though. The only news medium I could bring myself to watch was the £:$ exchange rates. If it failed to plummet, we were in the clear.
I don't think I have ever felt so relieved in my life as when Labour failed to win the 2019 GE.
They'll clearly win the 2024 one. And it will be shit. But nothing like as shit as them winning in 2019 would have been. And the obviously entirely hypothetical situation of a Conservative win would be not much to cheer.
That’s losing 200 MPs! And 1906 was reduced to 156, so on the cusp as that record.0 -
A dissolution of Parliament is for life*, prorogation is for Christmas.DoubleCarpet said:Something I should really know but have never quite got my head around
Can someone explain the difference between Parliament being prorogued and dissolved?
Thanks!
* Well, until the writ for new elections is issued and we go through the whole thing all over again.1 -
Mum thinks we're entering a six-week period of utter tediumFoxy said:Incidentally, we inhabit a hell of a bubble. I have had a busy day, amongst both patients and staff.
No one has mentioned the GE or any politician, nor have I overheard anyone speaking of it. 1 -
Not only that it set the template for the Virgin New adventures when the show was cancelled and they started a series of original novels.turbotubbs said:
The Cartmel master plan foreshadows the narrative arcs of modern Who. I think McCoy suffered from a lot of stuff.kyf_100 said:
Ah, Blink was the first one with the stone angel baddies, wasn't it? That scared me even as an adult.turbotubbs said:
I cannot agree. The gothic era of Baker (Pyramids of Mars, Brain of Morbius etc) was the peak for old who. And the new version has had some brilliant episodes (Blink, Silence in the Library).kyf_100 said:
Dr Who peaked with The Happiness Patrol, a satire of late 80s Britain featuring an army of Margaret Thatcher stand-ins and an off-brand Bertie Bassett as the Big Bad.turbotubbs said:
I’ve liked this but really want to like it ten times over. I’ve been a fan of Dr Who since the 1970’s. I’ve always been desperate to watch new WHO on TV right until Chibnall took over. So sad to not enjoy something that is an intimate part of my life.viewcode said:
I know Tennant Ten is technically the best, but I still have a soft spot for Matt Smith (from The Eleventh Hour to The Angels Take Manhattan(, and Peter Capaldi (from The Magician's Apprentice to Twice Upon a Time).DecrepiterJohnL said:
Whittaker's gabbling made her speech hard for my foreign chums to follow, although her stories were poor, and the set-up where the lady doctor trailed around her "fam" was vaguely misogynist.Taz said:
Whittaker was terrible but that may be more down to the scripts.bigjohnowls said:
i like them allwooliedyed said:
He's not MY doctor. He's no EcclestonTaz said:
That’s the Doctor.wooliedyed said:
Tenant is a fecking arse. Get him off the threadTheScreamingEagles said:
See the public saw Rishi Sunak as the embodiment of the greatest Doctor ever, that's a win for Rishi.wooliedyed said:Savanta have 44% saying Rishis launch in the rain went badly and..... um 35% think it went well
I thought Peter Capaldi was a bit disappointing though
Tennant was the best actor to play the Doctor.
Trivia: Capaldi is the only Doctor to have won an Oscar (as producer, not actor).
And if RTD is so bloody clever, how come the credits misnamed the character as Doctor Who, and the titles show the Tardis careering around like the starship Enterprise? And why do they keep redesigning the daleks and Tardis? And breathe!
Every decision taken during the Chibnall era was wrong. It's pointless pointing to a specific one, since it was just one large steaming pile of wrong. Jodie's interpretation was wrong. The redesigned Daleks were wrong. The fam were wrong. The CyberTimeLords were wrong. Flux was an enormous serialised wrong. The costume was wrong. The Sunny Delight Master was wrong. The Timeless Child made me cry with the wrongness. It was just rubbish from day one to day last.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0rEe8ultJ4
It's all been downhill from there.
Sylvester McCoy remains my favourite Doctor, though, even if he did get more than his fair share of bad scripts and ridiculously low rent productions. Clownish at first, but darker and more manipulative as the series went on.
By the final McCoy series the show was really hitting its stride.2 -
RefUK have said they'll stand 630, so not quite a full slate. (Their allies, the TUV, are standing in all NI seats.)DecrepiterJohnL said:
The main factor in RefUK outpolling the Conservatives is not Farage but how many seats have candidates. imo Tice is whistling in the dark if he thinks they will run a full slate.Leon said:
This is a new era. I reckon the Tories are gonna get the blame for EVERYTHING that has gone wrong since 2019. Not just Brexit (which is deserved), not just immigration and small boats (MORE than deserved) but also Covid, Ukraine, Gaza, inflation, Cameron, the Coalition, Clegg, student fees, litter, bad weather, my nan, your divorce, the decline of Bake Off, Man City winning too many times, kicking out Boris, the state of the high street, the state of your wife's face, your recent parking fine, you name it, the voters are going to blame the Govt for EVERYTHING and they are going to give this hapless bunch of spineless posho chancers the biggest kicking we have seen in British electoral history, out of sheer spite, venom, revenge and angerlondonpubman said:
CON would be on 50 seats on that poll!Andy_JS said:
At least the Tories can't go any lower than 19%. Or maybe they can.Stuartinromford said:Meanwhile, in "once the election is called, that will focus minds" news,
First @techneUK poll of the election
Labour 45%
Tory 19%
Reform 14%
LD 12%
Green 5%
First time the Tories have been under 20% with Techne.
https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1793712476816912724
How quickly has campaign swingback kicked in previously?
However there were polls showing similar LAB leads early in 1997 campaign.
They should be thankful Farage bottled it, if he was in it, I reckon Reform could actually get more votes than the Tories. As it is I can EASILY see the Tories slipping under 100 seats1 -
Prorogue is like a temporary break - maybe like a break for adverts. Technically it is the end of a session.DoubleCarpet said:Something I should really know but have never quite got my head around
Can someone explain the difference between Parliament being prorogued and dissolved?
Thanks!
Dissolved is the end of that parliament. Everyone loses their seats. More like the end of the series.
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There is no justification for giving this lot another 5 years.kyf_100 said:
The Conservatives have somehow managed to piss off absolutely everyone to the point you're left wondering who their natural constituency is.Cicero said:
The Tories have given up. Hearing astonishing things in places like Surrey. Feels like this could be an election where the old rules get junked.Foxy said:
I am not a spread bettor, the downside is too much for me. I had a spread markets one once but traded out and slept better. One concern is on liquidity.rcs1000 said:LibDem seats are too high. Not *wildly* too high, but too high nonetheless.
So, take the LD spread. Its very unlikely that LDs will go below 10, and 15 would be a realistic minimum, so the maximum win is 22 times the stake. On the other side a 1997 style result could lose a similar sum. A Blue Wall blowout with collapsing Tory vote and LDs having a good election could conceivably reach 100 seats. Unlikely but possible. That would be 60 times the stake. The risks are just too asymmetrical for me.
If you're an oldie, you probably don't like the way you can't get a GP appointment or a hip replacement without going private (or waiting til your leg falls off). Having to be bank of mum and dad for grown up kids in their 30s and 40s who are struggling. Money in savings accounts eroded by cost of living crisis, affecting less savvy pensioners too.
Young-ish? Housing costs, spiralling rents, can't afford kids, zero job stability, lost opportunities to leave due to Brexit, too. Student loans following RPI which has shafted some. Leasehold trap has shafted first time buyers.
Working age entering middle age? Insane childcare costs, wages failing to keep up with inflation, mortgage costs doubling. Plus huge numbers of middle class professionals getting laid off in the last year.
Everyone - country feels like it's falling apart, schools literally falling apart, sewage being dumped into rivers, cost of sticking the heating on or doing a weekly shop has doubled. Life's little luxuries like a pint and a meal out with friends becoming unaffordable for many now. And the Conservatives droning on and on about endless culture war crap like Rwanda, trans and bashing disabled people on benefits, when most people are just struggling to survive.
Will Labour be significantly better? Maybe not. But it feels hard for even the staunchest Conservative supporter to justify giving this lot another 5 years in government - they're out of ideas and need a long period in opposition to figure out why they've managed to alienate most demographics across the country.
But, no reason to hand Labour a gigantic majority.
But, I’m unusual. I’ve never believed in cutting off my nose to spite my face.0 -
Prorogation ends a session of Parliament, dissolution ends the Parliament.DoubleCarpet said:Something I should really know but have never quite got my head around
Can someone explain the difference between Parliament being prorogued and dissolved?
Thanks!3
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