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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,047
    Andy_JS said:

    Why do we keep having fuzzy photos on here?

    Sunil has an iphone
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 45,289
    rcs1000 said:

    On politicians and humor: Abraham LIncoln used it to great effect. For example, when an office seeker came in to complain about not getting a federal job, and said he had made Lincoln president, Lincoln pointed to the papers on his desk and said: "And look what a pretty mess you got me into."

    So, of course, did Reagan. (I assume all of you know about his famous line in a debate with Mondale.)

    And so did -- this will suprise some -- Bob Dole. For example: https://www.amazon.com/Great-Political-Wit-Laughing-Almost/dp/0767906675

    But mostly in private meetings with other senators, from what I saw of his career.

    The best jokes in modern American politics came from Mitt Romney.

    When asked his view on gay marriage he quipped: marriage is a sacred institution between a man and a woman... and a woman... and a woman

    And on the Republican debate stage, he said: isn't it strange that the only candidate with only one wife is the Mormon.
    Very good!
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    Twickbait_55Twickbait_55 Posts: 116

    Donkeys said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    TimS said:

    Omnium said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    isam said:
    What's a tech blo blobber? #PMQs

    SKS Fans please translate!
    He was trying to say "bro" and he thought, I sound ridiculous, so he then tried to say "brother" and he did.

    Does this mean he is not our next PM? Probably not.
    After all, our Greatest Ever Prime Minister® wasn't renowned for getting to the end of a coherent sentence, ever.

    But he Had Charisma and Delivered Brexit, so that's fine.
    Boris was an untrustworthy lying shit (and I wasn't even married to him) but he was a funny untrustworthy lying shit. Worth a lot in my book.
    ‘Funny’ is such a subjective thing.
    I always found his heavily signalled overworked or underworked zingers followed by an expectation that everyone would be amused & charmed distinctly unfunny, so that’s a no redeeming qualities from me.
    “There are no disasters, only opportunities. And, indeed, opportunities for fresh
    disasters “.

    You don’t find that funny?
    Not really. What does it even mean?
    I suppose I might conjure up a grim rictus at the irony of BJ having a bit of a laff about disasters.

    Still, speaking of rictus smiles and exPMs, just had Gordy Broon on C4 going on about how terrible & damaging child poverty was in the UK. Thank goodness we listened to him in 2014, think how much worse it could have been.
    It wasn't that Boris necessarily did comedy routines, but one knew he had a sense of humour. An early speech referencing Huskisson's violent death due to Stevenson's rocket (back in the halcyon days) was funny because Boris accidentally made himself laugh. I don't think Truss is renowned for her sense of humour, though she seems quite a sport. Sunak doesn’t have a detectable sense of humour. Nor does Starmer.
    Truss is just insane
    Starmer seems like he's hiding a sense of humour somewhere
    Sunak won't share
    Starmer seems to be funnier in private than public, which is unhelpful for him. Truss I think had quite a decent sense of humour. May showed herself to have decent comic timing after the Queen’s death. Neither Cameron nor Clegg nor Brown had the humour gene. Blair had his moments. Major had it. Thatcher didn’t.
    I think Cameron could do a decent cutting line, like his 'not like we're brothers' jibe to Miliband, but it's a kind of top boy bullying humour perhaps. Truss I don't know but she has a cheeky grin.
    Having a sense of humour - getting jokes, laughing naturally, being at ease in the comic moment, capable of self deprecation - is quite common. Especially in the British. Actually BEING FUNNY - making people crack up - is vastly rarer

    I’d say Boris is the only PM with the gift that I can recall. And he proves that being funny can get you very far in life (into a lot of beds; and into great jobs) but it doesn’t mean you will be good at those jobs - not at all

    Indeed it’s so rare I’m not sure I can think of another significant British politician with the gift. Certainly not Cameron or brown or Blair or Truss or TMay.

    Maybe George Osborne?
    Gag writing, like plumbing, is something that really ought to be left to the professionals. There's still a talent to deliver someone else's material well, but to come up with good new jokes means seeing the world in a peculiar way that isn't that compatible with much else.

    (The inexplicable thing about Rishi isn't so much the poor delivery as the terrible material. That ought to be fixable by getting some competent writers in.)
    Naturally funny politicians with proper comic timing and the ability to go beyond one joke into an impromptu riff (and I agree Johnson annoyingly did have that):

    - Trump. Sad.
    - Apparently Stalin
    - Berlusconi
    - Dennis Skinner
    - Idi Amin

    And a few who have their moments but fall short of being full natural comedians, including Farage, Farron, Charles Kennedy, Salmond.
    Berlusconi was exceptionally charming and able to mock himself with great wit. I learnt this by watching him tell a joke about himself. He had the audience in the palm of his hand. He was classes above Trump and Skinner for this.

    No idea about Stalin and Amin. Stalin could definitely do the kindly uncle. As for a speechmaker he was like a BBC newsreader - here is the news. Nowhere near the skill level of Hitler or even Lenin.
    Angela RAYNER has a filthy sense of humour IRL.
    John Smith was exceptionally quick with a witty retort, Tony Banks, often hilarious, Churchill also. Skinner became famous for his often hilarious quips; once leading to a departing Black Rod saying "I'll miss you Dennis". Wilson very funny and self depreciating sometimes.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,409
    isam said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    TimS said:

    Omnium said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    isam said:
    What's a tech blo blobber? #PMQs

    SKS Fans please translate!
    He was trying to say "bro" and he thought, I sound ridiculous, so he then tried to say "brother" and he did.

    Does this mean he is not our next PM? Probably not.
    After all, our Greatest Ever Prime Minister® wasn't renowned for getting to the end of a coherent sentence, ever.

    But he Had Charisma and Delivered Brexit, so that's fine.
    Boris was an untrustworthy lying shit (and I wasn't even married to him) but he was a funny untrustworthy lying shit. Worth a lot in my book.
    ‘Funny’ is such a subjective thing.
    I always found his heavily signalled overworked or underworked zingers followed by an expectation that everyone would be amused & charmed distinctly unfunny, so that’s a no redeeming qualities from me.
    “There are no disasters, only opportunities. And, indeed, opportunities for fresh
    disasters “.

    You don’t find that funny?
    Not really. What does it even mean?
    I suppose I might conjure up a grim rictus at the irony of BJ having a bit of a laff about disasters.

    Still, speaking of rictus smiles and exPMs, just had Gordy Broon on C4 going on about how terrible & damaging child poverty was in the UK. Thank goodness we listened to him in 2014, think how much worse it could have been.
    It wasn't that Boris necessarily did comedy routines, but one knew he had a sense of humour. An early speech referencing Huskisson's violent death due to Stevenson's rocket (back in the halcyon days) was funny because Boris accidentally made himself laugh. I don't think Truss is renowned for her sense of humour, though she seems quite a sport. Sunak doesn’t have a detectable sense of humour. Nor does Starmer.
    Truss is just insane
    Starmer seems like he's hiding a sense of humour somewhere
    Sunak won't share
    Starmer seems to be funnier in private than public, which is unhelpful for him. Truss I think had quite a decent sense of humour. May showed herself to have decent comic timing after the Queen’s death. Neither Cameron nor Clegg nor Brown had the humour gene. Blair had his moments. Major had it. Thatcher didn’t.
    I think Cameron could do a decent cutting line, like his 'not like we're brothers' jibe to Miliband, but it's a kind of top boy bullying humour perhaps. Truss I don't know but she has a cheeky grin.
    Having a sense of humour - getting jokes, laughing naturally, being at ease in the comic moment, capable of self deprecation - is quite common. Especially in the British. Actually BEING FUNNY - making people crack up - is vastly rarer

    I’d say Boris is the only PM with the gift that I can recall. And he proves that being funny can get you very far in life (into a lot of beds; and into great jobs) but it doesn’t mean you will be good at those jobs - not at all

    Indeed it’s so rare I’m not sure I can think of another significant British politician with the gift. Certainly not Cameron or brown or Blair or Truss or TMay.

    Maybe George Osborne?
    Gag writing, like plumbing, is something that really ought to be left to the professionals. There's still a talent to deliver someone else's material well, but to come up with good new jokes means seeing the world in a peculiar way that isn't that compatible with much else.

    (The inexplicable thing about Rishi isn't so much the poor delivery as the terrible material. That ought to be fixable by getting some competent writers in.)
    Naturally funny politicians with proper comic timing and the ability to go beyond one joke into an impromptu riff (and I agree Johnson annoyingly did have that):

    - Trump. Sad.
    - Apparently Stalin
    - Berlusconi
    - Dennis Skinner
    - Idi Amin

    And a few who have their moments but fall short of being full natural comedians, including Farage, Farron, Charles Kennedy, Salmond.
    I never heard that about Stalin. Funny?? But maybe. He was definitely capable of dark humour

    I’m trying to think of funny monarchs. Perhaps Charles II - the merrie monarch for a reason. Elizabeth II had a gift for dry irony and litotes. God I miss Her Maj - the world has not been right since she passed
    Clement Freud was a politician wasn't he?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g17DL1YJ730
    I've heard it before, but it's still pretty funny.

    Doesn't make up for the criminality, but pretty funny.
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    Twickbait_55Twickbait_55 Posts: 116

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    TimS said:

    Omnium said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    isam said:
    What's a tech blo blobber? #PMQs

    SKS Fans please translate!
    He was trying to say "bro" and he thought, I sound ridiculous, so he then tried to say "brother" and he did.

    Does this mean he is not our next PM? Probably not.
    After all, our Greatest Ever Prime Minister® wasn't renowned for getting to the end of a coherent sentence, ever.

    But he Had Charisma and Delivered Brexit, so that's fine.
    Boris was an untrustworthy lying shit (and I wasn't even married to him) but he was a funny untrustworthy lying shit. Worth a lot in my book.
    ‘Funny’ is such a subjective thing.
    I always found his heavily signalled overworked or underworked zingers followed by an expectation that everyone would be amused & charmed distinctly unfunny, so that’s a no redeeming qualities from me.
    “There are no disasters, only opportunities. And, indeed, opportunities for fresh
    disasters “.

    You don’t find that funny?
    Not really. What does it even mean?
    I suppose I might conjure up a grim rictus at the irony of BJ having a bit of a laff about disasters.

    Still, speaking of rictus smiles and exPMs, just had Gordy Broon on C4 going on about how terrible & damaging child poverty was in the UK. Thank goodness we listened to him in 2014, think how much worse it could have been.
    It wasn't that Boris necessarily did comedy routines, but one knew he had a sense of humour. An early speech referencing Huskisson's violent death due to Stevenson's rocket (back in the halcyon days) was funny because Boris accidentally made himself laugh. I don't think Truss is renowned for her sense of humour, though she seems quite a sport. Sunak doesn’t have a detectable sense of humour. Nor does Starmer.
    Truss is just insane
    Starmer seems like he's hiding a sense of humour somewhere
    Sunak won't share
    Starmer seems to be funnier in private than public, which is unhelpful for him. Truss I think had quite a decent sense of humour. May showed herself to have decent comic timing after the Queen’s death. Neither Cameron nor Clegg nor Brown had the humour gene. Blair had his moments. Major had it. Thatcher didn’t.
    I think Cameron could do a decent cutting line, like his 'not like we're brothers' jibe to Miliband, but it's a kind of top boy bullying humour perhaps. Truss I don't know but she has a cheeky grin.
    Having a sense of humour - getting jokes, laughing naturally, being at ease in the comic moment, capable of self deprecation - is quite common. Especially in the British. Actually BEING FUNNY - making people crack up - is vastly rarer

    I’d say Boris is the only PM with the gift that I can recall. And he proves that being funny can get you very far in life (into a lot of beds; and into great jobs) but it doesn’t mean you will be good at those jobs - not at all

    Indeed it’s so rare I’m not sure I can think of another significant British politician with the gift. Certainly not Cameron or brown or Blair or Truss or TMay.

    Maybe George Osborne?
    Gag writing, like plumbing, is something that really ought to be left to the professionals. There's still a talent to deliver someone else's material well, but to come up with good new jokes means seeing the world in a peculiar way that isn't that compatible with much else.

    (The inexplicable thing about Rishi isn't so much the poor delivery as the terrible material. That ought to be fixable by getting some competent writers in.)
    Naturally funny politicians with proper comic timing and the ability to go beyond one joke into an impromptu riff (and I agree Johnson annoyingly did have that):

    - Trump. Sad.
    - Apparently Stalin
    - Berlusconi
    - Dennis Skinner
    - Idi Amin

    And a few who have their moments but fall short of being full natural comedians, including Farage, Farron, Charles Kennedy, Salmond.
    I never heard that about Stalin. Funny?? But maybe. He was definitely capable of dark humour

    I’m trying to think of funny monarchs. Perhaps Charles II - the merrie monarch for a reason. Elizabeth II had a gift for dry irony and litotes. God I miss Her Maj - the world has not been right since she passed
    Clement Freud was a politician wasn't he?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g17DL1YJ730
    Well, he was a Liberal MP. Is that the same thing?

    Similarly, Gyles Brandreth was a Conservative MP and Whip. Clearly, logically he was a politician, but somehow he also wasn't.

    And, elegantly, was in the pay of Big Waffle;

    https://youtu.be/2DnwJJJZaYU?t=4m31s
    Clement Freud was a master as a long time panellist on Just a Minute, he perfected the lugubrious retort.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,409
    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    TimS said:

    Omnium said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    isam said:
    What's a tech blo blobber? #PMQs

    SKS Fans please translate!
    He was trying to say "bro" and he thought, I sound ridiculous, so he then tried to say "brother" and he did.

    Does this mean he is not our next PM? Probably not.
    After all, our Greatest Ever Prime Minister® wasn't renowned for getting to the end of a coherent sentence, ever.

    But he Had Charisma and Delivered Brexit, so that's fine.
    Boris was an untrustworthy lying shit (and I wasn't even married to him) but he was a funny untrustworthy lying shit. Worth a lot in my book.
    ‘Funny’ is such a subjective thing.
    I always found his heavily signalled overworked or underworked zingers followed by an expectation that everyone would be amused & charmed distinctly unfunny, so that’s a no redeeming qualities from me.
    “There are no disasters, only opportunities. And, indeed, opportunities for fresh
    disasters “.

    You don’t find that funny?
    Not really. What does it even mean?
    I suppose I might conjure up a grim rictus at the irony of BJ having a bit of a laff about disasters.

    Still, speaking of rictus smiles and exPMs, just had Gordy Broon on C4 going on about how terrible & damaging child poverty was in the UK. Thank goodness we listened to him in 2014, think how much worse it could have been.
    It wasn't that Boris necessarily did comedy routines, but one knew he had a sense of humour. An early speech referencing Huskisson's violent death due to Stevenson's rocket (back in the halcyon days) was funny because Boris accidentally made himself laugh. I don't think Truss is renowned for her sense of humour, though she seems quite a sport. Sunak doesn’t have a detectable sense of humour. Nor does Starmer.
    Truss is just insane
    Starmer seems like he's hiding a sense of humour somewhere
    Sunak won't share
    Starmer seems to be funnier in private than public, which is unhelpful for him. Truss I think had quite a decent sense of humour. May showed herself to have decent comic timing after the Queen’s death. Neither Cameron nor Clegg nor Brown had the humour gene. Blair had his moments. Major had it. Thatcher didn’t.
    I think Cameron could do a decent cutting line, like his 'not like we're brothers' jibe to Miliband, but it's a kind of top boy bullying humour perhaps. Truss I don't know but she has a cheeky grin.
    Having a sense of humour - getting jokes, laughing naturally, being at ease in the comic moment, capable of self deprecation - is quite common. Especially in the British. Actually BEING FUNNY - making people crack up - is vastly rarer

    I’d say Boris is the only PM with the gift that I can recall. And he proves that being funny can get you very far in life (into a lot of beds; and into great jobs) but it doesn’t mean you will be good at those jobs - not at all

    Indeed it’s so rare I’m not sure I can think of another significant British politician with the gift. Certainly not Cameron or brown or Blair or Truss or TMay.

    Maybe George Osborne?
    Gag writing, like plumbing, is something that really ought to be left to the professionals. There's still a talent to deliver someone else's material well, but to come up with good new jokes means seeing the world in a peculiar way that isn't that compatible with much else.

    (The inexplicable thing about Rishi isn't so much the poor delivery as the terrible material. That ought to be fixable by getting some competent writers in.)
    Naturally funny politicians with proper comic timing and the ability to go beyond one joke into an impromptu riff (and I agree Johnson annoyingly did have that):

    - Trump. Sad.
    - Apparently Stalin
    - Berlusconi
    - Dennis Skinner
    - Idi Amin

    And a few who have their moments but fall short of being full natural comedians, including Farage, Farron, Charles Kennedy, Salmond.
    I never heard that about Stalin. Funny?? But maybe. He was definitely capable of dark humour

    I’m trying to think of funny monarchs. Perhaps Charles II - the merrie monarch for a reason. Elizabeth II had a gift for dry irony and litotes. God I miss Her Maj - the world has not been right since she passed
    If Stalin cracked a joke, you can be sure that everyone nearby thought it hilarious.

    What greater evidence of wit do you need?
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    DopermeanDopermean Posts: 14
    kle4 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    What a ridiculous situation.

    "Crew trapped on Baltimore ship, seven weeks after bridge collapse"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-69011124

    Seems absurdly harsh, even if they are not being allowed to leave the country.
    Not at all uncommon for seafarers, you hear of cases where they've been trapped for months, even years. The employers treat seafarers appallingly. https://www.politico.eu/article/shameful-abandonment-of-seafarers-true-confidence-globalization-covid-19-ship/#:~:text=In Italy's port of Messina,owners have simply abandoned them.
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    megasaurmegasaur Posts: 478
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    TimS said:

    Omnium said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    isam said:
    What's a tech blo blobber? #PMQs

    SKS Fans please translate!
    He was trying to say "bro" and he thought, I sound ridiculous, so he then tried to say "brother" and he did.

    Does this mean he is not our next PM? Probably not.
    After all, our Greatest Ever Prime Minister® wasn't renowned for getting to the end of a coherent sentence, ever.

    But he Had Charisma and Delivered Brexit, so that's fine.
    Boris was an untrustworthy lying shit (and I wasn't even married to him) but he was a funny untrustworthy lying shit. Worth a lot in my book.
    ‘Funny’ is such a subjective thing.
    I always found his heavily signalled overworked or underworked zingers followed by an expectation that everyone would be amused & charmed distinctly unfunny, so that’s a no redeeming qualities from me.
    “There are no disasters, only opportunities. And, indeed, opportunities for fresh
    disasters “.

    You don’t find that funny?
    Not really. What does it even mean?
    I suppose I might conjure up a grim rictus at the irony of BJ having a bit of a laff about disasters.

    Still, speaking of rictus smiles and exPMs, just had Gordy Broon on C4 going on about how terrible & damaging child poverty was in the UK. Thank goodness we listened to him in 2014, think how much worse it could have been.
    It wasn't that Boris necessarily did comedy routines, but one knew he had a sense of humour. An early speech referencing Huskisson's violent death due to Stevenson's rocket (back in the halcyon days) was funny because Boris accidentally made himself laugh. I don't think Truss is renowned for her sense of humour, though she seems quite a sport. Sunak doesn’t have a detectable sense of humour. Nor does Starmer.
    Truss is just insane
    Starmer seems like he's hiding a sense of humour somewhere
    Sunak won't share
    Starmer seems to be funnier in private than public, which is unhelpful for him. Truss I think had quite a decent sense of humour. May showed herself to have decent comic timing after the Queen’s death. Neither Cameron nor Clegg nor Brown had the humour gene. Blair had his moments. Major had it. Thatcher didn’t.
    I think Cameron could do a decent cutting line, like his 'not like we're brothers' jibe to Miliband, but it's a kind of top boy bullying humour perhaps. Truss I don't know but she has a cheeky grin.
    Having a sense of humour - getting jokes, laughing naturally, being at ease in the comic moment, capable of self deprecation - is quite common. Especially in the British. Actually BEING FUNNY - making people crack up - is vastly rarer

    I’d say Boris is the only PM with the gift that I can recall. And he proves that being funny can get you very far in life (into a lot of beds; and into great jobs) but it doesn’t mean you will be good at those jobs - not at all

    Indeed it’s so rare I’m not sure I can think of another significant British politician with the gift. Certainly not Cameron or brown or Blair or Truss or TMay.

    Maybe George Osborne?
    Gag writing, like plumbing, is something that really ought to be left to the professionals. There's still a talent to deliver someone else's material well, but to come up with good new jokes means seeing the world in a peculiar way that isn't that compatible with much else.

    (The inexplicable thing about Rishi isn't so much the poor delivery as the terrible material. That ought to be fixable by getting some competent writers in.)
    Naturally funny politicians with proper comic timing and the ability to go beyond one joke into an impromptu riff (and I agree Johnson annoyingly did have that):

    - Trump. Sad.
    - Apparently Stalin
    - Berlusconi
    - Dennis Skinner
    - Idi Amin

    And a few who have their moments but fall short of being full natural comedians, including Farage, Farron, Charles Kennedy, Salmond.
    I never heard that about Stalin. Funny?? But maybe. He was definitely capable of dark humour

    I’m trying to think of funny monarchs. Perhaps Charles II - the merrie monarch for a reason. Elizabeth II had a gift for dry irony and litotes. God I miss Her Maj - the world has not been right since she passed
    If Stalin cracked a joke, you can be sure that everyone nearby thought it hilarious.

    What greater evidence of wit do you need?
    He is the ostensible subject of the funniest film of all time

    Or at least it is level pegging with some like it hot
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    Twickbait_55Twickbait_55 Posts: 116

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    TimS said:

    Omnium said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    isam said:
    What's a tech blo blobber? #PMQs

    SKS Fans please translate!
    He was trying to say "bro" and he thought, I sound ridiculous, so he then tried to say "brother" and he did.

    Does this mean he is not our next PM? Probably not.
    After all, our Greatest Ever Prime Minister® wasn't renowned for getting to the end of a coherent sentence, ever.

    But he Had Charisma and Delivered Brexit, so that's fine.
    Boris was an untrustworthy lying shit (and I wasn't even married to him) but he was a funny untrustworthy lying shit. Worth a lot in my book.
    ‘Funny’ is such a subjective thing.
    I always found his heavily signalled overworked or underworked zingers followed by an expectation that everyone would be amused & charmed distinctly unfunny, so that’s a no redeeming qualities from me.
    “There are no disasters, only opportunities. And, indeed, opportunities for fresh
    disasters “.

    You don’t find that funny?
    Not really. What does it even mean?
    I suppose I might conjure up a grim rictus at the irony of BJ having a bit of a laff about disasters.

    Still, speaking of rictus smiles and exPMs, just had Gordy Broon on C4 going on about how terrible & damaging child poverty was in the UK. Thank goodness we listened to him in 2014, think how much worse it could have been.
    It wasn't that Boris necessarily did comedy routines, but one knew he had a sense of humour. An early speech referencing Huskisson's violent death due to Stevenson's rocket (back in the halcyon days) was funny because Boris accidentally made himself laugh. I don't think Truss is renowned for her sense of humour, though she seems quite a sport. Sunak doesn’t have a detectable sense of humour. Nor does Starmer.
    Truss is just insane
    Starmer seems like he's hiding a sense of humour somewhere
    Sunak won't share
    Starmer seems to be funnier in private than public, which is unhelpful for him. Truss I think had quite a decent sense of humour. May showed herself to have decent comic timing after the Queen’s death. Neither Cameron nor Clegg nor Brown had the humour gene. Blair had his moments. Major had it. Thatcher didn’t.
    I think Cameron could do a decent cutting line, like his 'not like we're brothers' jibe to Miliband, but it's a kind of top boy bullying humour perhaps. Truss I don't know but she has a cheeky grin.
    Having a sense of humour - getting jokes, laughing naturally, being at ease in the comic moment, capable of self deprecation - is quite common. Especially in the British. Actually BEING FUNNY - making people crack up - is vastly rarer

    I’d say Boris is the only PM with the gift that I can recall. And he proves that being funny can get you very far in life (into a lot of beds; and into great jobs) but it doesn’t mean you will be good at those jobs - not at all

    Indeed it’s so rare I’m not sure I can think of another significant British politician with the gift. Certainly not Cameron or brown or Blair or Truss or TMay.

    Maybe George Osborne?
    Gag writing, like plumbing, is something that really ought to be left to the professionals. There's still a talent to deliver someone else's material well, but to come up with good new jokes means seeing the world in a peculiar way that isn't that compatible with much else.

    (The inexplicable thing about Rishi isn't so much the poor delivery as the terrible material. That ought to be fixable by getting some competent writers in.)
    Naturally funny politicians with proper comic timing and the ability to go beyond one joke into an impromptu riff (and I agree Johnson annoyingly did have that):

    - Trump. Sad.
    - Apparently Stalin
    - Berlusconi
    - Dennis Skinner
    - Idi Amin

    And a few who have their moments but fall short of being full natural comedians, including Farage, Farron, Charles Kennedy, Salmond.
    I never heard that about Stalin. Funny?? But maybe. He was definitely capable of dark humour

    I’m trying to think of funny monarchs. Perhaps Charles II - the merrie monarch for a reason. Elizabeth II had a gift for dry irony and litotes. God I miss Her Maj - the world has not been right since she passed
    Clement Freud was a politician wasn't he?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g17DL1YJ730
    Well, he was a Liberal MP. Is that the same thing?

    Similarly, Gyles Brandreth was a Conservative MP and Whip. Clearly, logically he was a politician, but somehow he also wasn't.

    And, elegantly, was in the pay of Big Waffle;

    https://youtu.be/2DnwJJJZaYU?t=4m31s
    Clement Freud was a master as a long time panellist on Just a Minute, he perfected the lugubrious retort.
    Actually probably the funniest member of recent times is Stephen Pound. His 1997 maiden speech is hysterical, him trying to recount memorable things associated with his constituency. Very good.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SYTXkgzotoU
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    OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,300

    Donkeys said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    TimS said:

    Omnium said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    isam said:
    What's a tech blo blobber? #PMQs

    SKS Fans please translate!
    He was trying to say "bro" and he thought, I sound ridiculous, so he then tried to say "brother" and he did.

    Does this mean he is not our next PM? Probably not.
    After all, our Greatest Ever Prime Minister® wasn't renowned for getting to the end of a coherent sentence, ever.

    But he Had Charisma and Delivered Brexit, so that's fine.
    Boris was an untrustworthy lying shit (and I wasn't even married to him) but he was a funny untrustworthy lying shit. Worth a lot in my book.
    ‘Funny’ is such a subjective thing.
    I always found his heavily signalled overworked or underworked zingers followed by an expectation that everyone would be amused & charmed distinctly unfunny, so that’s a no redeeming qualities from me.
    “There are no disasters, only opportunities. And, indeed, opportunities for fresh
    disasters “.

    You don’t find that funny?
    Not really. What does it even mean?
    I suppose I might conjure up a grim rictus at the irony of BJ having a bit of a laff about disasters.

    Still, speaking of rictus smiles and exPMs, just had Gordy Broon on C4 going on about how terrible & damaging child poverty was in the UK. Thank goodness we listened to him in 2014, think how much worse it could have been.
    It wasn't that Boris necessarily did comedy routines, but one knew he had a sense of humour. An early speech referencing Huskisson's violent death due to Stevenson's rocket (back in the halcyon days) was funny because Boris accidentally made himself laugh. I don't think Truss is renowned for her sense of humour, though she seems quite a sport. Sunak doesn’t have a detectable sense of humour. Nor does Starmer.
    Truss is just insane
    Starmer seems like he's hiding a sense of humour somewhere
    Sunak won't share
    Starmer seems to be funnier in private than public, which is unhelpful for him. Truss I think had quite a decent sense of humour. May showed herself to have decent comic timing after the Queen’s death. Neither Cameron nor Clegg nor Brown had the humour gene. Blair had his moments. Major had it. Thatcher didn’t.
    I think Cameron could do a decent cutting line, like his 'not like we're brothers' jibe to Miliband, but it's a kind of top boy bullying humour perhaps. Truss I don't know but she has a cheeky grin.
    Having a sense of humour - getting jokes, laughing naturally, being at ease in the comic moment, capable of self deprecation - is quite common. Especially in the British. Actually BEING FUNNY - making people crack up - is vastly rarer

    I’d say Boris is the only PM with the gift that I can recall. And he proves that being funny can get you very far in life (into a lot of beds; and into great jobs) but it doesn’t mean you will be good at those jobs - not at all

    Indeed it’s so rare I’m not sure I can think of another significant British politician with the gift. Certainly not Cameron or brown or Blair or Truss or TMay.

    Maybe George Osborne?
    Gag writing, like plumbing, is something that really ought to be left to the professionals. There's still a talent to deliver someone else's material well, but to come up with good new jokes means seeing the world in a peculiar way that isn't that compatible with much else.

    (The inexplicable thing about Rishi isn't so much the poor delivery as the terrible material. That ought to be fixable by getting some competent writers in.)
    Naturally funny politicians with proper comic timing and the ability to go beyond one joke into an impromptu riff (and I agree Johnson annoyingly did have that):

    - Trump. Sad.
    - Apparently Stalin
    - Berlusconi
    - Dennis Skinner
    - Idi Amin

    And a few who have their moments but fall short of being full natural comedians, including Farage, Farron, Charles Kennedy, Salmond.
    Berlusconi was exceptionally charming and able to mock himself with great wit. I learnt this by watching him tell a joke about himself. He had the audience in the palm of his hand. He was classes above Trump and Skinner for this.

    No idea about Stalin and Amin. Stalin could definitely do the kindly uncle. As for a speechmaker he was like a BBC newsreader - here is the news. Nowhere near the skill level of Hitler or even Lenin.
    Angela RAYNER has a filthy sense of humour IRL.
    John Smith was exceptionally quick with a witty retort, Tony Banks, often hilarious, Churchill also. Skinner became famous for his often hilarious quips; once leading to a departing Black Rod saying "I'll miss you Dennis". Wilson very funny and self depreciating sometimes.
    Tony Banks was properly funny.
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    DonkeysDonkeys Posts: 723
    edited May 15
    https://archive.is/yOXag

    Telegraph:

    ""The suspect was named in local media reports on Wednesday night as Juraj Cintula, a 71-year-old resident of Levice in western Slovakia.

    Mr Cintula, who is the author of three poetry collections and two books, is listed as one of the founders of the Dúha literary club, in which he has been active since 2005.

    In 2015, he founded the campaign group Against Violence, and had sought to get it officially registered in Slovakia.

    “Violence is often a reaction of people, as a form of expression of ordinary dissatisfaction with the state of affairs. Let’s be dissatisfied, but not violent,” a petition circulated by Mr Cintula states.

    The movement had called on people to stand against violence of all kinds, from “martial law to domestic physical or psychological violence,” as well as violence on the international stage, in Europe, “in which militarisation, extremism, neo-Nazism, anarchy are growing”.
    "

    Let's hope Fico recovers and also that Cintula does not experience a rapid deterioration in his health either.

    If there are further assassination attempts in Europe, that'll be a marker for things getting even more scary than they already are, WW3-wise.
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    StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 14,913

    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    isam said:
    What's a tech blo blobber? #PMQs

    SKS Fans please translate!
    He was trying to say "bro" and he thought, I sound ridiculous, so he then tried to say "brother" and he did.

    Does this mean he is not our next PM? Probably not.
    After all, our Greatest Ever Prime Minister® wasn't renowned for getting to the end of a coherent sentence, ever.

    But he Had Charisma and Delivered Brexit, so that's fine.
    Boris was an untrustworthy lying shit (and I wasn't even married to him) but he was a funny untrustworthy lying shit. Worth a lot in my book.
    ‘Funny’ is such a subjective thing.
    I always found his heavily signalled overworked or underworked zingers followed by an expectation that everyone would be amused & charmed distinctly unfunny, so that’s a no redeeming qualities from me.
    Being fair to Johnson, a rare thing from me, it is hard to make someone with no discernible sense of humour laugh.
    Boris is properly funny. It’s the one thing foreign leaders who loathe him - and there are many - nonetheless admit. He’s funny. You can see it in their social interactions on camera - G7 meetings etc - they are genuinely pleased to see him and they break into an unforced smile as he approaches: because they are thinking - Ah, at last, here’s someone who will lighten the mood and entertain me - after all these boring wankers

    That does not make him good PM material. Far from it. It’s an asset but you need lots of other stuff. Churchill was by all accounts genuinely witty but it was one tool in a wider skill set
    Johnson is definitely funny. But he's not that funny. He's only got one joke, ultimately, and he stole it from PG Wodehouse, who was much, much funnier.
    It's a good joke, and Boris performs it well.

    But any joke wears thin with repetition.

    (Private Eye tried a Wodehouse parody of Boris and Dom, called Leaves and Booster, but it didn't last. How could it?)
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    isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Ligue 1 side Reims haven't had a Frenchman score for them all season. I wonder if that has ever happened before in a league season (obviously I mean that no one from the country the team is based in has scored for them, not that a Frenchman hasn't, before you crazy out of the box thinkers rush in)
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 20,344
    Joseph Stalin, Clement Freud and Tony Banks walk into a bar.

    Barman says: “Is this some kind of joke?”
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    OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,300

    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    isam said:
    What's a tech blo blobber? #PMQs

    SKS Fans please translate!
    He was trying to say "bro" and he thought, I sound ridiculous, so he then tried to say "brother" and he did.

    Does this mean he is not our next PM? Probably not.
    After all, our Greatest Ever Prime Minister® wasn't renowned for getting to the end of a coherent sentence, ever.

    But he Had Charisma and Delivered Brexit, so that's fine.
    Boris was an untrustworthy lying shit (and I wasn't even married to him) but he was a funny untrustworthy lying shit. Worth a lot in my book.
    ‘Funny’ is such a subjective thing.
    I always found his heavily signalled overworked or underworked zingers followed by an expectation that everyone would be amused & charmed distinctly unfunny, so that’s a no redeeming qualities from me.
    Being fair to Johnson, a rare thing from me, it is hard to make someone with no discernible sense of humour laugh.
    Boris is properly funny. It’s the one thing foreign leaders who loathe him - and there are many - nonetheless admit. He’s funny. You can see it in their social interactions on camera - G7 meetings etc - they are genuinely pleased to see him and they break into an unforced smile as he approaches: because they are thinking - Ah, at last, here’s someone who will lighten the mood and entertain me - after all these boring wankers

    That does not make him good PM material. Far from it. It’s an asset but you need lots of other stuff. Churchill was by all accounts genuinely witty but it was one tool in a wider skill set
    Johnson is definitely funny. But he's not that funny. He's only got one joke, ultimately, and he stole it from PG Wodehouse, who was much, much funnier.
    It's a good joke, and Boris performs it well.

    But any joke wears thin with repetition.

    (Private Eye tried a Wodehouse parody of Boris and Dom, called Leaves and Booster, but it didn't last. How could it?)
    Johnson's problem is that the lack of seriousness that makes him an entertaining after dinner speaker carried over to his role as leader of a G7 economy, where it proved to be a genuine handicap.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,354
    algarkirk said:

    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Apparently the man detained for shooting Fico is 71 years old.

    I think we can start to rule out the possibility of professional assassins.

    The alleged name and identity is being fairly widely shared on social media
    Apparently an anti-violence campaigner.

    https://x.com/ianbremmer/status/1790790908381905294?s=46
    And a reply to the tweet:

    "Wow. Looks like Slovak PM Robert Fico's reported assailant, writer Juraj Cintula, was associated with pro-Russian paramilitary group Slovenskí Branci (SB). Their leader was even trained by Russian ex-Spetsnaz soldiers."

    https://twitter.com/panyiszabolcs/status/1790789652078526939
    I very much dislike words like "associated", because they can mean "really closely involved with", or "knows someone who is a member".
    The joys of the english language.

    I like how something being outstanding could be good or bad, based on context.
    Sanction can mean allow or disallow
    "Cleave": cut in two, or join together
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,354
    FF43 said:

    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    isam said:
    What's a tech blo blobber? #PMQs

    SKS Fans please translate!
    He was trying to say "bro" and he thought, I sound ridiculous, so he then tried to say "brother" and he did.

    Does this mean he is not our next PM? Probably not.
    After all, our Greatest Ever Prime Minister® wasn't renowned for getting to the end of a coherent sentence, ever.

    But he Had Charisma and Delivered Brexit, so that's fine.
    Boris was an untrustworthy lying shit (and I wasn't even married to him) but he was a funny untrustworthy lying shit. Worth a lot in my book.
    ‘Funny’ is such a subjective thing.
    I always found his heavily signalled overworked or underworked zingers followed by an expectation that everyone would be amused & charmed distinctly unfunny, so that’s a no redeeming qualities from me.
    “There are no disasters, only opportunities. And, indeed, opportunities for fresh
    disasters “.

    You don’t find that funny?
    Not really. What does it even mean?
    I suppose I might conjure up a grim rictus at the irony of BJ having a bit of a laff about disasters.

    Still, speaking of rictus smiles and exPMs, just had Gordy Broon on C4 going on about how terrible & damaging child poverty was in the UK. Thank goodness we listened to him in 2014, think how much worse it could have been.
    It wasn't that Boris necessarily did comedy routines, but one knew he had a sense of humour. An early speech referencing Huskisson's violent death due to Stevenson's rocket (back in the halcyon days) was funny because Boris accidentally made himself laugh. I don't think Truss is renowned for her sense of humour, though she seems quite a sport. Sunak doesn’t have a detectable sense of humour. Nor does Starmer.
    I don't think a sense of humour in itself is a necessary asset in a politician, and in fact some may do great without one, but if you can harness it it can be powerful. Many politicians have revealed, often post office, that they are pretty engaging and funny people, but they were either too disciplined to attempt to make use of it, or couldn't quite manage it, and would be accused of being insufficiently serious or the like.

    We should be more forgiving of top politicians having the occasional gag, showing a bit of personality besides stern, righteous indignation or plodding administrator.
    In general successful politicians don't have a sense of humour. They take themselves far too seriously for that, and need to have that monomaniac ambition to achieve their success. There are some exceptions of course. The rest would probably benefit from a bit more humour. But the personality that got them there in the first place doesn't lend itself to that lack of seriousness.

    Unsuccessful politicians on the other hand can have a very good sense of humour.
    If memory serves, both Wilson and Churchill had a well-developed sense of humour and could quip under pressure.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,354

    Carnyx said:

    DougSeal said:

    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Apparently the man detained for shooting Fico is 71 years old.

    I think we can start to rule out the possibility of professional assassins.

    The alleged name and identity is being fairly widely shared on social media
    Apparently an anti-violence campaigner.

    https://x.com/ianbremmer/status/1790790908381905294?s=46
    And a reply to the tweet:

    "Wow. Looks like Slovak PM Robert Fico's reported assailant, writer Juraj Cintula, was associated with pro-Russian paramilitary group Slovenskí Branci (SB). Their leader was even trained by Russian ex-Spetsnaz soldiers."

    https://twitter.com/panyiszabolcs/status/1790789652078526939
    I very much dislike words like "associated", because they can mean "really closely involved with", or "knows someone who is a member".
    The joys of the english language.

    I like how something being outstanding could be good or bad, based on context.
    Apparently most headline "writers" of YouTube vids believe that "infamous" = "famous".

    Thus when FDR said that December 7, 1941 was "a date which will live in infamy" he apparently meant that we'd all be hearing about it for a long long long time.
    Well, he wasn’t wrong was he?




    I rtemember when a child being puzzled by the descriptions on the tubes of glue I bought. Some were 'flammable' and the others were 'inflammable' but still apparent incendiary ...
    The cendiary ones went up best.
    Provided you were ept in gniting them, of course.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 45,120
    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    TimS said:

    Omnium said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    isam said:
    What's a tech blo blobber? #PMQs

    SKS Fans please translate!
    He was trying to say "bro" and he thought, I sound ridiculous, so he then tried to say "brother" and he did.

    Does this mean he is not our next PM? Probably not.
    After all, our Greatest Ever Prime Minister® wasn't renowned for getting to the end of a coherent sentence, ever.

    But he Had Charisma and Delivered Brexit, so that's fine.
    Boris was an untrustworthy lying shit (and I wasn't even married to him) but he was a funny untrustworthy lying shit. Worth a lot in my book.
    ‘Funny’ is such a subjective thing.
    I always found his heavily signalled overworked or underworked zingers followed by an expectation that everyone would be amused & charmed distinctly unfunny, so that’s a no redeeming qualities from me.
    “There are no disasters, only opportunities. And, indeed, opportunities for fresh
    disasters “.

    You don’t find that funny?
    Not really. What does it even mean?
    I suppose I might conjure up a grim rictus at the irony of BJ having a bit of a laff about disasters.

    Still, speaking of rictus smiles and exPMs, just had Gordy Broon on C4 going on about how terrible & damaging child poverty was in the UK. Thank goodness we listened to him in 2014, think how much worse it could have been.
    It wasn't that Boris necessarily did comedy routines, but one knew he had a sense of humour. An early speech referencing Huskisson's violent death due to Stevenson's rocket (back in the halcyon days) was funny because Boris accidentally made himself laugh. I don't think Truss is renowned for her sense of humour, though she seems quite a sport. Sunak doesn’t have a detectable sense of humour. Nor does Starmer.
    Truss is just insane
    Starmer seems like he's hiding a sense of humour somewhere
    Sunak won't share
    Starmer seems to be funnier in private than public, which is unhelpful for him. Truss I think had quite a decent sense of humour. May showed herself to have decent comic timing after the Queen’s death. Neither Cameron nor Clegg nor Brown had the humour gene. Blair had his moments. Major had it. Thatcher didn’t.
    I think Cameron could do a decent cutting line, like his 'not like we're brothers' jibe to Miliband, but it's a kind of top boy bullying humour perhaps. Truss I don't know but she has a cheeky grin.
    Having a sense of humour - getting jokes, laughing naturally, being at ease in the comic moment, capable of self deprecation - is quite common. Especially in the British. Actually BEING FUNNY - making people crack up - is vastly rarer

    I’d say Boris is the only PM with the gift that I can recall. And he proves that being funny can get you very far in life (into a lot of beds; and into great jobs) but it doesn’t mean you will be good at those jobs - not at all

    Indeed it’s so rare I’m not sure I can think of another significant British politician with the gift. Certainly not Cameron or brown or Blair or Truss or TMay.

    Maybe George Osborne?
    Gag writing, like plumbing, is something that really ought to be left to the professionals. There's still a talent to deliver someone else's material well, but to come up with good new jokes means seeing the world in a peculiar way that isn't that compatible with much else.

    (The inexplicable thing about Rishi isn't so much the poor delivery as the terrible material. That ought to be fixable by getting some competent writers in.)
    Naturally funny politicians with proper comic timing and the ability to go beyond one joke into an impromptu riff (and I agree Johnson annoyingly did have that):

    - Trump. Sad.
    - Apparently Stalin
    - Berlusconi
    - Dennis Skinner
    - Idi Amin

    And a few who have their moments but fall short of being full natural comedians, including Farage, Farron, Charles Kennedy, Salmond.
    I never heard that about Stalin. Funny?? But maybe. He was definitely capable of dark humour

    I’m trying to think of funny monarchs. Perhaps Charles II - the merrie monarch for a reason. Elizabeth II had a gift for dry irony and litotes. God I miss Her Maj - the world has not been right since she passed
    If Stalin cracked a joke, you can be sure that everyone nearby thought it hilarious.

    What greater evidence of wit do you need?
    A load of them apparently died laughing, he was so good.
    Yeah, famous for killing it with the audience.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,671
    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    Carnyx said:

    isam said:

    Carnyx said:

    isam said:
    There are some words I stumble over. I would not be impressed by anyone who thought the less of my argument for a few extra seconds.

    Of course, if one is only concerned with presentation, rather than, say, content, or truth, or logic, or those tired old things, one might feel entirely free to sneer at someone for having a stammer, or a trip of the tongue.
    Oh wonderful you!

    Of course content of character etc is more important, although Sir Keir is a dishonest sneak who devalues words such as "principle" and "integrity", but unfortunately presentation and charisma do play a part, and I think Starmer's stiff, awkward manner will be a negative for Labour during the campaign/in the debates
    I refer the hon. PBer to the report posted earlier. All about the stutter and nothing else: in other words, Mr Sunak is implying that only presentation matters.

    'The same thing happened later. Starmer stuttered. The whole of the Tory side went ballistic. "This proves he's not fit to lead this country", shot a delighted Sunak. Ten seconds later he was, again unsuccessfully, trying to pivot from fratboy bully to solemn statesman.'

    Fair enough, stuttering under pressure is a good thing for a politician to have in their armoury during an election campaign
    Stumbling over Tech-bro wasn't a stutter, which is quite a distinct speech impediment.

    It seems to be a one off, or do you have other examples?
    It was damning because it showed he had been handed the script and had no ability to think on his feet, that modern speak is wholly alien to him, and that the idea of a tech bro is unknown to him. Those are not the qualities of a good PM albeit he will be our next one.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,762
    edited May 15

    Andy_JS said:

    Why do we keep having fuzzy photos on here?

    Sunil has an iphone
    Nope, it's Vanilla playing up. I have an android phone in any case.
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    DumbosaurusDumbosaurus Posts: 172
    To bring the convo back to cereals, does anyone know of an own brand Ricicles? It was killed off in 2018ish. Took me a couple of years to miss it so I wasn't exactly a major customer of Captain Rik but god I miss it. Not seen any.
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    EabhalEabhal Posts: 6,291
    Stocky said:

    isam said:

    DougSeal said:

    isam said:

    Carnyx said:

    isam said:
    There are some words I stumble over. I would not be impressed by anyone who thought the less of my argument for a few extra seconds.

    Of course, if one is only concerned with presentation, rather than, say, content, or truth, or logic, or those tired old things, one might feel entirely free to sneer at someone for having a stammer, or a trip of the tongue.
    Oh wonderful you!

    Of course content of character etc is more important, although Sir Keir is a dishonest sneak who devalues words such as "principle" and "integrity", but unfortunately presentation and charisma do play a part, and I think Starmer's stiff, awkward manner will be a negative for Labour during the campaign/in the debates
    And don’t you like to tell us about it…
    Sorry

    What is it we are allowed to talk about on here again

    NOT

    The most exciting thing to happen in the history of technology
    The most outrageous idea in human sexual definition since the dawn of time
    Anything that might cast the Leader of the Opposition in a bad light
    I've said on here for ages that Starmer is a liar par excellence and utterly ruthless. Adversarial solicitor personality type.

    Like you I can't stand the bloke. Neither the sight nor sound of him.,

    Great for getting Labour elected though. Tories' worst nightmare. I wonder where Lab would be if Long Bailey had won?
    The most interesting thing about PMQs was that Starmer went on law and order. And that Sunak had not been briefed.

    That suggests Starmer has high self-confidence at the moment, and that Sunak has got complacent on those kind of core Tory topics.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,945
    Royal Mail owner poised to accept £3.5bn takeover bid

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd131l3k9jno
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 28,221
    viewcode said:

    Carnyx said:

    DougSeal said:

    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Apparently the man detained for shooting Fico is 71 years old.

    I think we can start to rule out the possibility of professional assassins.

    The alleged name and identity is being fairly widely shared on social media
    Apparently an anti-violence campaigner.

    https://x.com/ianbremmer/status/1790790908381905294?s=46
    And a reply to the tweet:

    "Wow. Looks like Slovak PM Robert Fico's reported assailant, writer Juraj Cintula, was associated with pro-Russian paramilitary group Slovenskí Branci (SB). Their leader was even trained by Russian ex-Spetsnaz soldiers."

    https://twitter.com/panyiszabolcs/status/1790789652078526939
    I very much dislike words like "associated", because they can mean "really closely involved with", or "knows someone who is a member".
    The joys of the english language.

    I like how something being outstanding could be good or bad, based on context.
    Apparently most headline "writers" of YouTube vids believe that "infamous" = "famous".

    Thus when FDR said that December 7, 1941 was "a date which will live in infamy" he apparently meant that we'd all be hearing about it for a long long long time.
    Well, he wasn’t wrong was he?




    I rtemember when a child being puzzled by the descriptions on the tubes of glue I bought. Some were 'flammable' and the others were 'inflammable' but still apparent incendiary ...
    The cendiary ones went up best.
    Provided you were ept in gniting them, of course.
    May I point out how gruntled I am by this exchange.
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    kjhkjh Posts: 10,777
    Watched the sunrise at the Grand Canyon this morning. Just arrived back in Las Vegas for a Santana concert tonight.
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    TimSTimS Posts: 10,151
    dixiedean said:

    viewcode said:

    Carnyx said:

    DougSeal said:

    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Apparently the man detained for shooting Fico is 71 years old.

    I think we can start to rule out the possibility of professional assassins.

    The alleged name and identity is being fairly widely shared on social media
    Apparently an anti-violence campaigner.

    https://x.com/ianbremmer/status/1790790908381905294?s=46
    And a reply to the tweet:

    "Wow. Looks like Slovak PM Robert Fico's reported assailant, writer Juraj Cintula, was associated with pro-Russian paramilitary group Slovenskí Branci (SB). Their leader was even trained by Russian ex-Spetsnaz soldiers."

    https://twitter.com/panyiszabolcs/status/1790789652078526939
    I very much dislike words like "associated", because they can mean "really closely involved with", or "knows someone who is a member".
    The joys of the english language.

    I like how something being outstanding could be good or bad, based on context.
    Apparently most headline "writers" of YouTube vids believe that "infamous" = "famous".

    Thus when FDR said that December 7, 1941 was "a date which will live in infamy" he apparently meant that we'd all be hearing about it for a long long long time.
    Well, he wasn’t wrong was he?




    I rtemember when a child being puzzled by the descriptions on the tubes of glue I bought. Some were 'flammable' and the others were 'inflammable' but still apparent incendiary ...
    The cendiary ones went up best.
    Provided you were ept in gniting them, of course.
    May I point out how gruntled I am by this exchange.
    Yes, it’s rather teresting.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 28,221
    Eabhal said:

    Stocky said:

    isam said:

    DougSeal said:

    isam said:

    Carnyx said:

    isam said:
    There are some words I stumble over. I would not be impressed by anyone who thought the less of my argument for a few extra seconds.

    Of course, if one is only concerned with presentation, rather than, say, content, or truth, or logic, or those tired old things, one might feel entirely free to sneer at someone for having a stammer, or a trip of the tongue.
    Oh wonderful you!

    Of course content of character etc is more important, although Sir Keir is a dishonest sneak who devalues words such as "principle" and "integrity", but unfortunately presentation and charisma do play a part, and I think Starmer's stiff, awkward manner will be a negative for Labour during the campaign/in the debates
    And don’t you like to tell us about it…
    Sorry

    What is it we are allowed to talk about on here again

    NOT

    The most exciting thing to happen in the history of technology
    The most outrageous idea in human sexual definition since the dawn of time
    Anything that might cast the Leader of the Opposition in a bad light
    I've said on here for ages that Starmer is a liar par excellence and utterly ruthless. Adversarial solicitor personality type.

    Like you I can't stand the bloke. Neither the sight nor sound of him.,

    Great for getting Labour elected though. Tories' worst nightmare. I wonder where Lab would be if Long Bailey had won?
    The most interesting thing about PMQs was that Starmer went on law and order. And that Sunak had not been briefed.

    That suggests Starmer has high self-confidence at the moment, and that Sunak has got complacent on those kind of core Tory topics.
    Either that or he is useless at anything unscripted.
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    SelebianSelebian Posts: 7,654
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Test:


    Edit: D'oh!

    Did you go to the Treasurer's House, round the back of the Minster? Rather a treat (had a conference dinner there once).
    Is that the Tudor style building?

    That's the one I was thinking of, St William's College, yes! I had muddled the name! The Treasurer's House is tucked away a bit more to the NW, looks worth a try.

    https://www.google.com/maps/@53.962682,-1.0805706,131m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu
    Went to the treasurer's house for a wedding once, lovely setting.

    Also considered the fabulously named merchant adventurers' hall for our wedding, although it was a bit too booked up.

    If you're in York, Sunil, I assume you've checked out the national railway museum?
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    Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 7,740

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    TimS said:

    Omnium said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    isam said:
    What's a tech blo blobber? #PMQs

    SKS Fans please translate!
    He was trying to say "bro" and he thought, I sound ridiculous, so he then tried to say "brother" and he did.

    Does this mean he is not our next PM? Probably not.
    After all, our Greatest Ever Prime Minister® wasn't renowned for getting to the end of a coherent sentence, ever.

    But he Had Charisma and Delivered Brexit, so that's fine.
    Boris was an untrustworthy lying shit (and I wasn't even married to him) but he was a funny untrustworthy lying shit. Worth a lot in my book.
    ‘Funny’ is such a subjective thing.
    I always found his heavily signalled overworked or underworked zingers followed by an expectation that everyone would be amused & charmed distinctly unfunny, so that’s a no redeeming qualities from me.
    “There are no disasters, only opportunities. And, indeed, opportunities for fresh
    disasters “.

    You don’t find that funny?
    Not really. What does it even mean?
    I suppose I might conjure up a grim rictus at the irony of BJ having a bit of a laff about disasters.

    Still, speaking of rictus smiles and exPMs, just had Gordy Broon on C4 going on about how terrible & damaging child poverty was in the UK. Thank goodness we listened to him in 2014, think how much worse it could have been.
    It wasn't that Boris necessarily did comedy routines, but one knew he had a sense of humour. An early speech referencing Huskisson's violent death due to Stevenson's rocket (back in the halcyon days) was funny because Boris accidentally made himself laugh. I don't think Truss is renowned for her sense of humour, though she seems quite a sport. Sunak doesn’t have a detectable sense of humour. Nor does Starmer.
    Truss is just insane
    Starmer seems like he's hiding a sense of humour somewhere
    Sunak won't share
    Starmer seems to be funnier in private than public, which is unhelpful for him. Truss I think had quite a decent sense of humour. May showed herself to have decent comic timing after the Queen’s death. Neither Cameron nor Clegg nor Brown had the humour gene. Blair had his moments. Major had it. Thatcher didn’t.
    I think Cameron could do a decent cutting line, like his 'not like we're brothers' jibe to Miliband, but it's a kind of top boy bullying humour perhaps. Truss I don't know but she has a cheeky grin.
    Having a sense of humour - getting jokes, laughing naturally, being at ease in the comic moment, capable of self deprecation - is quite common. Especially in the British. Actually BEING FUNNY - making people crack up - is vastly rarer

    I’d say Boris is the only PM with the gift that I can recall. And he proves that being funny can get you very far in life (into a lot of beds; and into great jobs) but it doesn’t mean you will be good at those jobs - not at all

    Indeed it’s so rare I’m not sure I can think of another significant British politician with the gift. Certainly not Cameron or brown or Blair or Truss or TMay.

    Maybe George Osborne?
    Gag writing, like plumbing, is something that really ought to be left to the professionals. There's still a talent to deliver someone else's material well, but to come up with good new jokes means seeing the world in a peculiar way that isn't that compatible with much else.

    (The inexplicable thing about Rishi isn't so much the poor delivery as the terrible material. That ought to be fixable by getting some competent writers in.)
    Naturally funny politicians with proper comic timing and the ability to go beyond one joke into an impromptu riff (and I agree Johnson annoyingly did have that):

    - Trump. Sad.
    - Apparently Stalin
    - Berlusconi
    - Dennis Skinner
    - Idi Amin

    And a few who have their moments but fall short of being full natural comedians, including Farage, Farron, Charles Kennedy, Salmond.
    I never heard that about Stalin. Funny?? But maybe. He was definitely capable of dark humour

    I’m trying to think of funny monarchs. Perhaps Charles II - the merrie monarch for a reason. Elizabeth II had a gift for dry irony and litotes. God I miss Her Maj - the world has not been right since she passed
    Clement Freud was a politician wasn't he?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g17DL1YJ730
    Well, he was a Liberal MP. Is that the same thing?

    Similarly, Gyles Brandreth was a Conservative MP and Whip. Clearly, logically he was a politician, but somehow he also wasn't.

    And, elegantly, was in the pay of Big Waffle;

    https://youtu.be/2DnwJJJZaYU?t=4m31s
    Clement Freud was a master as a long time panellist on Just a Minute, he perfected the lugubrious retort.
    Actually probably the funniest member of recent times is Stephen Pound. His 1997 maiden speech is hysterical, him trying to recount memorable things associated with his constituency. Very good.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SYTXkgzotoU
    Thanks for that - just watched it. Brilliant.
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    megasaurmegasaur Posts: 478
    dixiedean said:

    viewcode said:

    Carnyx said:

    DougSeal said:

    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Apparently the man detained for shooting Fico is 71 years old.

    I think we can start to rule out the possibility of professional assassins.

    The alleged name and identity is being fairly widely shared on social media
    Apparently an anti-violence campaigner.

    https://x.com/ianbremmer/status/1790790908381905294?s=46
    And a reply to the tweet:

    "Wow. Looks like Slovak PM Robert Fico's reported assailant, writer Juraj Cintula, was associated with pro-Russian paramilitary group Slovenskí Branci (SB). Their leader was even trained by Russian ex-Spetsnaz soldiers."

    https://twitter.com/panyiszabolcs/status/1790789652078526939
    I very much dislike words like "associated", because they can mean "really closely involved with", or "knows someone who is a member".
    The joys of the english language.

    I like how something being outstanding could be good or bad, based on context.
    Apparently most headline "writers" of YouTube vids believe that "infamous" = "famous".

    Thus when FDR said that December 7, 1941 was "a date which will live in infamy" he apparently meant that we'd all be hearing about it for a long long long time.
    Well, he wasn’t wrong was he?




    I rtemember when a child being puzzled by the descriptions on the tubes of glue I bought. Some were 'flammable' and the others were 'inflammable' but still apparent incendiary ...
    The cendiary ones went up best.
    Provided you were ept in gniting them, of course.
    May I point out how gruntled I am by this exchange.
    That's fine, provided you remain kempt and hevelled. Rest assured we are norant of your feelings.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,581
    Donkeys said:

    https://archive.is/yOXag

    Telegraph:

    ""The suspect was named in local media reports on Wednesday night as Juraj Cintula, a 71-year-old resident of Levice in western Slovakia.

    Mr Cintula, who is the author of three poetry collections and two books, is listed as one of the founders of the Dúha literary club, in which he has been active since 2005.

    In 2015, he founded the campaign group Against Violence, and had sought to get it officially registered in Slovakia.

    “Violence is often a reaction of people, as a form of expression of ordinary dissatisfaction with the state of affairs. Let’s be dissatisfied, but not violent,” a petition circulated by Mr Cintula states.

    The movement had called on people to stand against violence of all kinds, from “martial law to domestic physical or psychological violence,” as well as violence on the international stage, in Europe, “in which militarisation, extremism, neo-Nazism, anarchy are growing”.
    "

    Let's hope Fico recovers and also that Cintula does not experience a rapid deterioration in his health either.

    If there are further assassination attempts in Europe, that'll be a marker for things getting even more scary than they already are, WW3-wise.

    Right age to be a 68-er.
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    bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 8,307

    Donkeys said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    TimS said:

    Omnium said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    isam said:
    What's a tech blo blobber? #PMQs

    SKS Fans please translate!
    He was trying to say "bro" and he thought, I sound ridiculous, so he then tried to say "brother" and he did.

    Does this mean he is not our next PM? Probably not.
    After all, our Greatest Ever Prime Minister® wasn't renowned for getting to the end of a coherent sentence, ever.

    But he Had Charisma and Delivered Brexit, so that's fine.
    Boris was an untrustworthy lying shit (and I wasn't even married to him) but he was a funny untrustworthy lying shit. Worth a lot in my book.
    ‘Funny’ is such a subjective thing.
    I always found his heavily signalled overworked or underworked zingers followed by an expectation that everyone would be amused & charmed distinctly unfunny, so that’s a no redeeming qualities from me.
    “There are no disasters, only opportunities. And, indeed, opportunities for fresh
    disasters “.

    You don’t find that funny?
    Not really. What does it even mean?
    I suppose I might conjure up a grim rictus at the irony of BJ having a bit of a laff about disasters.

    Still, speaking of rictus smiles and exPMs, just had Gordy Broon on C4 going on about how terrible & damaging child poverty was in the UK. Thank goodness we listened to him in 2014, think how much worse it could have been.
    It wasn't that Boris necessarily did comedy routines, but one knew he had a sense of humour. An early speech referencing Huskisson's violent death due to Stevenson's rocket (back in the halcyon days) was funny because Boris accidentally made himself laugh. I don't think Truss is renowned for her sense of humour, though she seems quite a sport. Sunak doesn’t have a detectable sense of humour. Nor does Starmer.
    Truss is just insane
    Starmer seems like he's hiding a sense of humour somewhere
    Sunak won't share
    Starmer seems to be funnier in private than public, which is unhelpful for him. Truss I think had quite a decent sense of humour. May showed herself to have decent comic timing after the Queen’s death. Neither Cameron nor Clegg nor Brown had the humour gene. Blair had his moments. Major had it. Thatcher didn’t.
    I think Cameron could do a decent cutting line, like his 'not like we're brothers' jibe to Miliband, but it's a kind of top boy bullying humour perhaps. Truss I don't know but she has a cheeky grin.
    Having a sense of humour - getting jokes, laughing naturally, being at ease in the comic moment, capable of self deprecation - is quite common. Especially in the British. Actually BEING FUNNY - making people crack up - is vastly rarer

    I’d say Boris is the only PM with the gift that I can recall. And he proves that being funny can get you very far in life (into a lot of beds; and into great jobs) but it doesn’t mean you will be good at those jobs - not at all

    Indeed it’s so rare I’m not sure I can think of another significant British politician with the gift. Certainly not Cameron or brown or Blair or Truss or TMay.

    Maybe George Osborne?
    Gag writing, like plumbing, is something that really ought to be left to the professionals. There's still a talent to deliver someone else's material well, but to come up with good new jokes means seeing the world in a peculiar way that isn't that compatible with much else.

    (The inexplicable thing about Rishi isn't so much the poor delivery as the terrible material. That ought to be fixable by getting some competent writers in.)
    Naturally funny politicians with proper comic timing and the ability to go beyond one joke into an impromptu riff (and I agree Johnson annoyingly did have that):

    - Trump. Sad.
    - Apparently Stalin
    - Berlusconi
    - Dennis Skinner
    - Idi Amin

    And a few who have their moments but fall short of being full natural comedians, including Farage, Farron, Charles Kennedy, Salmond.
    Berlusconi was exceptionally charming and able to mock himself with great wit. I learnt this by watching him tell a joke about himself. He had the audience in the palm of his hand. He was classes above Trump and Skinner for this.

    No idea about Stalin and Amin. Stalin could definitely do the kindly uncle. As for a speechmaker he was like a BBC newsreader - here is the news. Nowhere near the skill level of Hitler or even Lenin.
    Angela RAYNER has a filthy sense of humour IRL.
    John Smith was exceptionally quick with a witty retort, Tony Banks, often hilarious, Churchill also. Skinner became famous for his often hilarious quips; once leading to a departing Black Rod saying "I'll miss you Dennis". Wilson very funny and self depreciating sometimes.
    Tony Banks was properly funny.
    And great on keyboards.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,581
    Has anyone been to Slovakia?
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    bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 8,307
    edited May 15
    dixiedean said:

    viewcode said:

    Carnyx said:

    DougSeal said:

    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Apparently the man detained for shooting Fico is 71 years old.

    I think we can start to rule out the possibility of professional assassins.

    The alleged name and identity is being fairly widely shared on social media
    Apparently an anti-violence campaigner.

    https://x.com/ianbremmer/status/1790790908381905294?s=46
    And a reply to the tweet:

    "Wow. Looks like Slovak PM Robert Fico's reported assailant, writer Juraj Cintula, was associated with pro-Russian paramilitary group Slovenskí Branci (SB). Their leader was even trained by Russian ex-Spetsnaz soldiers."

    https://twitter.com/panyiszabolcs/status/1790789652078526939
    I very much dislike words like "associated", because they can mean "really closely involved with", or "knows someone who is a member".
    The joys of the english language.

    I like how something being outstanding could be good or bad, based on context.
    Apparently most headline "writers" of YouTube vids believe that "infamous" = "famous".

    Thus when FDR said that December 7, 1941 was "a date which will live in infamy" he apparently meant that we'd all be hearing about it for a long long long time.
    Well, he wasn’t wrong was he?




    I rtemember when a child being puzzled by the descriptions on the tubes of glue I bought. Some were 'flammable' and the others were 'inflammable' but still apparent incendiary ...
    The cendiary ones went up best.
    Provided you were ept in gniting them, of course.
    May I point out how gruntled I am by this exchange.
    I think gruntled originally meant the same as disgruntled. Like how overwhelmed and whelmed meant the same.
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    EabhalEabhal Posts: 6,291
    Andy_JS said:

    Has anyone been to Slovakia?

    Yes, but only the mountains. Walked there from Poland.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 28,221
    Andy_JS said:

    Has anyone been to Slovakia?

    My ex-girlfriend and love of my life lived there and dated a Slovakian bloke shortly before me.
    Christ I miss her and wish her all the best.
    Wistful.
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    EabhalEabhal Posts: 6,291
    TimS said:

    Eabhal said:

    Stocky said:

    isam said:

    DougSeal said:

    isam said:

    Carnyx said:

    isam said:
    There are some words I stumble over. I would not be impressed by anyone who thought the less of my argument for a few extra seconds.

    Of course, if one is only concerned with presentation, rather than, say, content, or truth, or logic, or those tired old things, one might feel entirely free to sneer at someone for having a stammer, or a trip of the tongue.
    Oh wonderful you!

    Of course content of character etc is more important, although Sir Keir is a dishonest sneak who devalues words such as "principle" and "integrity", but unfortunately presentation and charisma do play a part, and I think Starmer's stiff, awkward manner will be a negative for Labour during the campaign/in the debates
    And don’t you like to tell us about it…
    Sorry

    What is it we are allowed to talk about on here again

    NOT

    The most exciting thing to happen in the history of technology
    The most outrageous idea in human sexual definition since the dawn of time
    Anything that might cast the Leader of the Opposition in a bad light
    I've said on here for ages that Starmer is a liar par excellence and utterly ruthless. Adversarial solicitor personality type.

    Like you I can't stand the bloke. Neither the sight nor sound of him.,

    Great for getting Labour elected though. Tories' worst nightmare. I wonder where Lab would be if Long Bailey had won?
    The most interesting thing about PMQs was that Starmer went on law and order. And that Sunak had not been briefed.

    That suggests Starmer has high self-confidence at the moment, and that Sunak has got complacent on those kind of core Tory topics.
    The tech bro thing will though be the new Tory attack line, for at least a week. In CCHQ they’re high fiving right now, having finally found their Ed eating a sandwich or Kinnock falling on the beach moment. They’ve realised that what sinks Labour leaders is not having beer and curry during lockdown or their deputies not knowing what their principal residence is, but mildly embarrassing moments captured on camera.

    It’ll then get dropped as a thing after a fortnight or so when it doesn’t move the polls, and they’ll move back on to him defending terrorists.
    Or "the war on floating bus stops".
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    ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,042
    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    TimS said:

    Omnium said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    isam said:
    What's a tech blo blobber? #PMQs

    SKS Fans please translate!
    He was trying to say "bro" and he thought, I sound ridiculous, so he then tried to say "brother" and he did.

    Does this mean he is not our next PM? Probably not.
    After all, our Greatest Ever Prime Minister® wasn't renowned for getting to the end of a coherent sentence, ever.

    But he Had Charisma and Delivered Brexit, so that's fine.
    Boris was an untrustworthy lying shit (and I wasn't even married to him) but he was a funny untrustworthy lying shit. Worth a lot in my book.
    ‘Funny’ is such a subjective thing.
    I always found his heavily signalled overworked or underworked zingers followed by an expectation that everyone would be amused & charmed distinctly unfunny, so that’s a no redeeming qualities from me.
    “There are no disasters, only opportunities. And, indeed, opportunities for fresh
    disasters “.

    You don’t find that funny?
    Not really. What does it even mean?
    I suppose I might conjure up a grim rictus at the irony of BJ having a bit of a laff about disasters.

    Still, speaking of rictus smiles and exPMs, just had Gordy Broon on C4 going on about how terrible & damaging child poverty was in the UK. Thank goodness we listened to him in 2014, think how much worse it could have been.
    It wasn't that Boris necessarily did comedy routines, but one knew he had a sense of humour. An early speech referencing Huskisson's violent death due to Stevenson's rocket (back in the halcyon days) was funny because Boris accidentally made himself laugh. I don't think Truss is renowned for her sense of humour, though she seems quite a sport. Sunak doesn’t have a detectable sense of humour. Nor does Starmer.
    Truss is just insane
    Starmer seems like he's hiding a sense of humour somewhere
    Sunak won't share
    Starmer seems to be funnier in private than public, which is unhelpful for him. Truss I think had quite a decent sense of humour. May showed herself to have decent comic timing after the Queen’s death. Neither Cameron nor Clegg nor Brown had the humour gene. Blair had his moments. Major had it. Thatcher didn’t.
    I think Cameron could do a decent cutting line, like his 'not like we're brothers' jibe to Miliband, but it's a kind of top boy bullying humour perhaps. Truss I don't know but she has a cheeky grin.
    Having a sense of humour - getting jokes, laughing naturally, being at ease in the comic moment, capable of self deprecation - is quite common. Especially in the British. Actually BEING FUNNY - making people crack up - is vastly rarer

    I’d say Boris is the only PM with the gift that I can recall. And he proves that being funny can get you very far in life (into a lot of beds; and into great jobs) but it doesn’t mean you will be good at those jobs - not at all

    Indeed it’s so rare I’m not sure I can think of another significant British politician with the gift. Certainly not Cameron or brown or Blair or Truss or TMay.

    Maybe George Osborne?
    Gag writing, like plumbing, is something that really ought to be left to the professionals. There's still a talent to deliver someone else's material well, but to come up with good new jokes means seeing the world in a peculiar way that isn't that compatible with much else.

    (The inexplicable thing about Rishi isn't so much the poor delivery as the terrible material. That ought to be fixable by getting some competent writers in.)
    Naturally funny politicians with proper comic timing and the ability to go beyond one joke into an impromptu riff (and I agree Johnson annoyingly did have that):

    - Trump. Sad.
    - Apparently Stalin
    - Berlusconi
    - Dennis Skinner
    - Idi Amin

    And a few who have their moments but fall short of being full natural comedians, including Farage, Farron, Charles Kennedy, Salmond.
    I never heard that about Stalin. Funny?? But maybe. He was definitely capable of dark humour

    I’m trying to think of funny monarchs. Perhaps Charles II - the merrie monarch for a reason. Elizabeth II had a gift for dry irony and litotes. God I miss Her Maj - the world has not been right since she passed
    If Stalin cracked a joke, you can be sure that everyone nearby thought it hilarious.

    What greater evidence of wit do you need?
    A load of them apparently died laughing, he was so good.
    "It is a brave man who is first to stop clapping the glorious leader"
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    ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,042
    Andy_JS said:

    Has anyone been to Slovakia?

    I had a very pizza and very nice beer there once, for an absurdly reasonable price.
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    WillGWillG Posts: 2,184
    Eabhal said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Has anyone been to Slovakia?

    Yes, but only the mountains. Walked there from Poland.
    I have been to Bratislava. It was a dump.
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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,135

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    TimS said:

    Omnium said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    isam said:
    What's a tech blo blobber? #PMQs

    SKS Fans please translate!
    He was trying to say "bro" and he thought, I sound ridiculous, so he then tried to say "brother" and he did.

    Does this mean he is not our next PM? Probably not.
    After all, our Greatest Ever Prime Minister® wasn't renowned for getting to the end of a coherent sentence, ever.

    But he Had Charisma and Delivered Brexit, so that's fine.
    Boris was an untrustworthy lying shit (and I wasn't even married to him) but he was a funny untrustworthy lying shit. Worth a lot in my book.
    ‘Funny’ is such a subjective thing.
    I always found his heavily signalled overworked or underworked zingers followed by an expectation that everyone would be amused & charmed distinctly unfunny, so that’s a no redeeming qualities from me.
    “There are no disasters, only opportunities. And, indeed, opportunities for fresh
    disasters “.

    You don’t find that funny?
    Not really. What does it even mean?
    I suppose I might conjure up a grim rictus at the irony of BJ having a bit of a laff about disasters.

    Still, speaking of rictus smiles and exPMs, just had Gordy Broon on C4 going on about how terrible & damaging child poverty was in the UK. Thank goodness we listened to him in 2014, think how much worse it could have been.
    It wasn't that Boris necessarily did comedy routines, but one knew he had a sense of humour. An early speech referencing Huskisson's violent death due to Stevenson's rocket (back in the halcyon days) was funny because Boris accidentally made himself laugh. I don't think Truss is renowned for her sense of humour, though she seems quite a sport. Sunak doesn’t have a detectable sense of humour. Nor does Starmer.
    Truss is just insane
    Starmer seems like he's hiding a sense of humour somewhere
    Sunak won't share
    Starmer seems to be funnier in private than public, which is unhelpful for him. Truss I think had quite a decent sense of humour. May showed herself to have decent comic timing after the Queen’s death. Neither Cameron nor Clegg nor Brown had the humour gene. Blair had his moments. Major had it. Thatcher didn’t.
    I think Cameron could do a decent cutting line, like his 'not like we're brothers' jibe to Miliband, but it's a kind of top boy bullying humour perhaps. Truss I don't know but she has a cheeky grin.
    Having a sense of humour - getting jokes, laughing naturally, being at ease in the comic moment, capable of self deprecation - is quite common. Especially in the British. Actually BEING FUNNY - making people crack up - is vastly rarer

    I’d say Boris is the only PM with the gift that I can recall. And he proves that being funny can get you very far in life (into a lot of beds; and into great jobs) but it doesn’t mean you will be good at those jobs - not at all

    Indeed it’s so rare I’m not sure I can think of another significant British politician with the gift. Certainly not Cameron or brown or Blair or Truss or TMay.

    Maybe George Osborne?
    Gag writing, like plumbing, is something that really ought to be left to the professionals. There's still a talent to deliver someone else's material well, but to come up with good new jokes means seeing the world in a peculiar way that isn't that compatible with much else.

    (The inexplicable thing about Rishi isn't so much the poor delivery as the terrible material. That ought to be fixable by getting some competent writers in.)
    Naturally funny politicians with proper comic timing and the ability to go beyond one joke into an impromptu riff (and I agree Johnson annoyingly did have that):

    - Trump. Sad.
    - Apparently Stalin
    - Berlusconi
    - Dennis Skinner
    - Idi Amin

    And a few who have their moments but fall short of being full natural comedians, including Farage, Farron, Charles Kennedy, Salmond.
    I never heard that about Stalin. Funny?? But maybe. He was definitely capable of dark humour

    I’m trying to think of funny monarchs. Perhaps Charles II - the merrie monarch for a reason. Elizabeth II had a gift for dry irony and litotes. God I miss Her Maj - the world has not been right since she passed
    Clement Freud was a politician wasn't he?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g17DL1YJ730
    Well, he was a Liberal MP. Is that the same thing?

    Similarly, Gyles Brandreth was a Conservative MP and Whip. Clearly, logically he was a politician, but somehow he also wasn't.

    And, elegantly, was in the pay of Big Waffle;

    https://youtu.be/2DnwJJJZaYU?t=4m31s
    Clement Freud was a master as a long time panellist on Just a Minute, he perfected the lugubrious retort.
    Actually probably the funniest member of recent times is Stephen Pound. His 1997 maiden speech is hysterical, him trying to recount memorable things associated with his constituency. Very good.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SYTXkgzotoU
    I think it would be a brave MP who tried this today. Five years of youtube clips about how your elite MP is mocking people like you.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 45,289
    Eabhal said:

    Stocky said:

    isam said:

    DougSeal said:

    isam said:

    Carnyx said:

    isam said:
    There are some words I stumble over. I would not be impressed by anyone who thought the less of my argument for a few extra seconds.

    Of course, if one is only concerned with presentation, rather than, say, content, or truth, or logic, or those tired old things, one might feel entirely free to sneer at someone for having a stammer, or a trip of the tongue.
    Oh wonderful you!

    Of course content of character etc is more important, although Sir Keir is a dishonest sneak who devalues words such as "principle" and "integrity", but unfortunately presentation and charisma do play a part, and I think Starmer's stiff, awkward manner will be a negative for Labour during the campaign/in the debates
    And don’t you like to tell us about it…
    Sorry

    What is it we are allowed to talk about on here again

    NOT

    The most exciting thing to happen in the history of technology
    The most outrageous idea in human sexual definition since the dawn of time
    Anything that might cast the Leader of the Opposition in a bad light
    I've said on here for ages that Starmer is a liar par excellence and utterly ruthless. Adversarial solicitor personality type.

    Like you I can't stand the bloke. Neither the sight nor sound of him.,

    Great for getting Labour elected though. Tories' worst nightmare. I wonder where Lab would be if Long Bailey had won?
    The most interesting thing about PMQs was that Starmer went on law and order. And that Sunak had not been briefed.

    That suggests Starmer has high self-confidence at the moment, and that Sunak has got complacent on those kind of core Tory topics.
    I think Starmer was busy setting traps. Next time an early released prisoner gets nicked for something serious Starmer can pin it on Sunak.

    It's a bit like the traps he set for Johnson that caught him for lying to parliament.

    Starmer is a prosecutor, he doesn't ask a question unless he knows the answer already.

    I am not a fan and won't be voting Labour but Starmer is brutally effective and always well prepared. It isn't crowd pleasing jokes, or high rhetoric.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 45,289
    Andy_JS said:

    Has anyone been to Slovakia?

    Fox Jr went there. Lovely mountains, cheap food and hostels and good beer.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,118
    TimS said:

    Eabhal said:

    Stocky said:

    isam said:

    DougSeal said:

    isam said:

    Carnyx said:

    isam said:
    There are some words I stumble over. I would not be impressed by anyone who thought the less of my argument for a few extra seconds.

    Of course, if one is only concerned with presentation, rather than, say, content, or truth, or logic, or those tired old things, one might feel entirely free to sneer at someone for having a stammer, or a trip of the tongue.
    Oh wonderful you!

    Of course content of character etc is more important, although Sir Keir is a dishonest sneak who devalues words such as "principle" and "integrity", but unfortunately presentation and charisma do play a part, and I think Starmer's stiff, awkward manner will be a negative for Labour during the campaign/in the debates
    And don’t you like to tell us about it…
    Sorry

    What is it we are allowed to talk about on here again

    NOT

    The most exciting thing to happen in the history of technology
    The most outrageous idea in human sexual definition since the dawn of time
    Anything that might cast the Leader of the Opposition in a bad light
    I've said on here for ages that Starmer is a liar par excellence and utterly ruthless. Adversarial solicitor personality type.

    Like you I can't stand the bloke. Neither the sight nor sound of him.,

    Great for getting Labour elected though. Tories' worst nightmare. I wonder where Lab would be if Long Bailey had won?
    The most interesting thing about PMQs was that Starmer went on law and order. And that Sunak had not been briefed.

    That suggests Starmer has high self-confidence at the moment, and that Sunak has got complacent on those kind of core Tory topics.
    The tech bro thing will though be the new Tory attack line, for at least a week. In CCHQ they’re high fiving right now, having finally found their Ed eating a sandwich or Kinnock falling on the beach moment. They’ve realised that what sinks Labour leaders is not having beer and curry during lockdown or their deputies not knowing what their principal residence is, but mildly embarrassing moments captured on camera.

    It’ll then get dropped as a thing after a fortnight or so when it doesn’t move the polls, and they’ll move back on to him defending terrorists.
    Along with his flip flopping, it’s the thing they should hammer on every day until the GE. He is trying to sell himself as Mr Integrity and Competence; just keep showing him being deceitful whilst flapping. There are many compilations on X to use as resources
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 20,344
    What has Sir Keir done now? (I’ve been out all day so missed everything)
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    bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 8,307
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_tuberculosis

    “In South America, reports of a study in August 2014 revealed that TB had likely been spread via seals that contracted it on beaches of Africa, from humans via domesticated animals, and carried it across the Atlantic.”

    @DougSeal !!!
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 45,289
    edited May 15
    isam said:

    TimS said:

    Eabhal said:

    Stocky said:

    isam said:

    DougSeal said:

    isam said:

    Carnyx said:

    isam said:
    There are some words I stumble over. I would not be impressed by anyone who thought the less of my argument for a few extra seconds.

    Of course, if one is only concerned with presentation, rather than, say, content, or truth, or logic, or those tired old things, one might feel entirely free to sneer at someone for having a stammer, or a trip of the tongue.
    Oh wonderful you!

    Of course content of character etc is more important, although Sir Keir is a dishonest sneak who devalues words such as "principle" and "integrity", but unfortunately presentation and charisma do play a part, and I think Starmer's stiff, awkward manner will be a negative for Labour during the campaign/in the debates
    And don’t you like to tell us about it…
    Sorry

    What is it we are allowed to talk about on here again

    NOT

    The most exciting thing to happen in the history of technology
    The most outrageous idea in human sexual definition since the dawn of time
    Anything that might cast the Leader of the Opposition in a bad light
    I've said on here for ages that Starmer is a liar par excellence and utterly ruthless. Adversarial solicitor personality type.

    Like you I can't stand the bloke. Neither the sight nor sound of him.,

    Great for getting Labour elected though. Tories' worst nightmare. I wonder where Lab would be if Long Bailey had won?
    The most interesting thing about PMQs was that Starmer went on law and order. And that Sunak had not been briefed.

    That suggests Starmer has high self-confidence at the moment, and that Sunak has got complacent on those kind of core Tory topics.
    The tech bro thing will though be the new Tory attack line, for at least a week. In CCHQ they’re high fiving right now, having finally found their Ed eating a sandwich or Kinnock falling on the beach moment. They’ve realised that what sinks Labour leaders is not having beer and curry during lockdown or their deputies not knowing what their principal residence is, but mildly embarrassing moments captured on camera.

    It’ll then get dropped as a thing after a fortnight or so when it doesn’t move the polls, and they’ll move back on to him defending terrorists.
    Along with his flip flopping, it’s the thing they should hammer on every day until the GE. He is trying to sell himself as Mr Integrity and Competence; just keep showing him being deceitful whilst flapping. There are many compilations on X to use as resources
    That is what Sunak has been doing for the last year. It hasn't worked.

    Indeed voters seem to like a bit of pragmatism.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    TimS said:

    Eabhal said:

    Stocky said:

    isam said:

    DougSeal said:

    isam said:

    Carnyx said:

    isam said:
    There are some words I stumble over. I would not be impressed by anyone who thought the less of my argument for a few extra seconds.

    Of course, if one is only concerned with presentation, rather than, say, content, or truth, or logic, or those tired old things, one might feel entirely free to sneer at someone for having a stammer, or a trip of the tongue.
    Oh wonderful you!

    Of course content of character etc is more important, although Sir Keir is a dishonest sneak who devalues words such as "principle" and "integrity", but unfortunately presentation and charisma do play a part, and I think Starmer's stiff, awkward manner will be a negative for Labour during the campaign/in the debates
    And don’t you like to tell us about it…
    Sorry

    What is it we are allowed to talk about on here again

    NOT

    The most exciting thing to happen in the history of technology
    The most outrageous idea in human sexual definition since the dawn of time
    Anything that might cast the Leader of the Opposition in a bad light
    I've said on here for ages that Starmer is a liar par excellence and utterly ruthless. Adversarial solicitor personality type.

    Like you I can't stand the bloke. Neither the sight nor sound of him.,

    Great for getting Labour elected though. Tories' worst nightmare. I wonder where Lab would be if Long Bailey had won?
    The most interesting thing about PMQs was that Starmer went on law and order. And that Sunak had not been briefed.

    That suggests Starmer has high self-confidence at the moment, and that Sunak has got complacent on those kind of core Tory topics.
    The tech bro thing will though be the new Tory attack line, for at least a week. In CCHQ they’re high fiving right now, having finally found their Ed eating a sandwich or Kinnock falling on the beach moment. They’ve realised that what sinks Labour leaders is not having beer and curry during lockdown or their deputies not knowing what their principal residence is, but mildly embarrassing moments captured on camera.

    It’ll then get dropped as a thing after a fortnight or so when it doesn’t move the polls, and they’ll move back on to him defending terrorists.
    Along with his flip flopping, it’s the thing they should hammer on every day until the GE. He is trying to sell himself as Mr Integrity and Competence; just keep showing him being deceitful whilst flapping. There are many compilations on X to use as resources
    That is what Sunak has been doing for the last year. It hasn't worked.

    Indeed voters seem to like a bit of pragmatism.
    Normal people haven’t started watching yet
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 45,120
    Andy_JS said:

    Donkeys said:

    https://archive.is/yOXag

    Telegraph:

    ""The suspect was named in local media reports on Wednesday night as Juraj Cintula, a 71-year-old resident of Levice in western Slovakia.

    Mr Cintula, who is the author of three poetry collections and two books, is listed as one of the founders of the Dúha literary club, in which he has been active since 2005.

    In 2015, he founded the campaign group Against Violence, and had sought to get it officially registered in Slovakia.

    “Violence is often a reaction of people, as a form of expression of ordinary dissatisfaction with the state of affairs. Let’s be dissatisfied, but not violent,” a petition circulated by Mr Cintula states.

    The movement had called on people to stand against violence of all kinds, from “martial law to domestic physical or psychological violence,” as well as violence on the international stage, in Europe, “in which militarisation, extremism, neo-Nazism, anarchy are growing”.
    "

    Let's hope Fico recovers and also that Cintula does not experience a rapid deterioration in his health either.

    If there are further assassination attempts in Europe, that'll be a marker for things getting even more scary than they already are, WW3-wise.

    Right age to be a 68-er.
    For some reason the above reminds me of the killer of Pim Fortuyn
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    carnforthcarnforth Posts: 3,309
    edited May 15
    I went to a scientific conference at a Slovakian government-owned castle at a place called Smolenice. Beautiful location, spolit by two things: we had to sleep six to a room (not warned in advance), and I saw a dead cat in a gutter on the walk from the station. Food was decent if prosaic.

    Bratislava was pleasant enough, but it was never meant to be a capital - so it's rather underpowered. But it's worth a visit - In the summer there is a regular river boat service to and from Vienna.
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    StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 14,913
    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    TimS said:

    Eabhal said:

    Stocky said:

    isam said:

    DougSeal said:

    isam said:

    Carnyx said:

    isam said:
    There are some words I stumble over. I would not be impressed by anyone who thought the less of my argument for a few extra seconds.

    Of course, if one is only concerned with presentation, rather than, say, content, or truth, or logic, or those tired old things, one might feel entirely free to sneer at someone for having a stammer, or a trip of the tongue.
    Oh wonderful you!

    Of course content of character etc is more important, although Sir Keir is a dishonest sneak who devalues words such as "principle" and "integrity", but unfortunately presentation and charisma do play a part, and I think Starmer's stiff, awkward manner will be a negative for Labour during the campaign/in the debates
    And don’t you like to tell us about it…
    Sorry

    What is it we are allowed to talk about on here again

    NOT

    The most exciting thing to happen in the history of technology
    The most outrageous idea in human sexual definition since the dawn of time
    Anything that might cast the Leader of the Opposition in a bad light
    I've said on here for ages that Starmer is a liar par excellence and utterly ruthless. Adversarial solicitor personality type.

    Like you I can't stand the bloke. Neither the sight nor sound of him.,

    Great for getting Labour elected though. Tories' worst nightmare. I wonder where Lab would be if Long Bailey had won?
    The most interesting thing about PMQs was that Starmer went on law and order. And that Sunak had not been briefed.

    That suggests Starmer has high self-confidence at the moment, and that Sunak has got complacent on those kind of core Tory topics.
    The tech bro thing will though be the new Tory attack line, for at least a week. In CCHQ they’re high fiving right now, having finally found their Ed eating a sandwich or Kinnock falling on the beach moment. They’ve realised that what sinks Labour leaders is not having beer and curry during lockdown or their deputies not knowing what their principal residence is, but mildly embarrassing moments captured on camera.

    It’ll then get dropped as a thing after a fortnight or so when it doesn’t move the polls, and they’ll move back on to him defending terrorists.
    Along with his flip flopping, it’s the thing they should hammer on every day until the GE. He is trying to sell himself as Mr Integrity and Competence; just keep showing him being deceitful whilst flapping. There are many compilations on X to use as resources
    That is what Sunak has been doing for the last year. It hasn't worked.

    Indeed voters seem to like a bit of pragmatism.
    Or, at the very least, they don't mind it. Especially given the alternative.

    Thing is, "probably adequate under the circumstances and definitely better than giving the current lot another five years" is a plausible recipe for a landslide for Kier Stammer.

    Valuable as all the other stuff is, the main thing a politician needs is to be in the right place at the right time.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,762
    Selebian said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Test:


    Edit: D'oh!

    Did you go to the Treasurer's House, round the back of the Minster? Rather a treat (had a conference dinner there once).
    Is that the Tudor style building?

    That's the one I was thinking of, St William's College, yes! I had muddled the name! The Treasurer's House is tucked away a bit more to the NW, looks worth a try.

    https://www.google.com/maps/@53.962682,-1.0805706,131m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu
    Went to the treasurer's house for a wedding once, lovely setting.

    Also considered the fabulously named merchant adventurers' hall for our wedding, although it was a bit too booked up.

    If you're in York, Sunil, I assume you've checked out the national railway museum?
    I did, but it was back in 2017! Today was the first time I crossed the Ouse into the city centre.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,588
    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    TimS said:

    Eabhal said:

    Stocky said:

    isam said:

    DougSeal said:

    isam said:

    Carnyx said:

    isam said:
    There are some words I stumble over. I would not be impressed by anyone who thought the less of my argument for a few extra seconds.

    Of course, if one is only concerned with presentation, rather than, say, content, or truth, or logic, or those tired old things, one might feel entirely free to sneer at someone for having a stammer, or a trip of the tongue.
    Oh wonderful you!

    Of course content of character etc is more important, although Sir Keir is a dishonest sneak who devalues words such as "principle" and "integrity", but unfortunately presentation and charisma do play a part, and I think Starmer's stiff, awkward manner will be a negative for Labour during the campaign/in the debates
    And don’t you like to tell us about it…
    Sorry

    What is it we are allowed to talk about on here again

    NOT

    The most exciting thing to happen in the history of technology
    The most outrageous idea in human sexual definition since the dawn of time
    Anything that might cast the Leader of the Opposition in a bad light
    I've said on here for ages that Starmer is a liar par excellence and utterly ruthless. Adversarial solicitor personality type.

    Like you I can't stand the bloke. Neither the sight nor sound of him.,

    Great for getting Labour elected though. Tories' worst nightmare. I wonder where Lab would be if Long Bailey had won?
    The most interesting thing about PMQs was that Starmer went on law and order. And that Sunak had not been briefed.

    That suggests Starmer has high self-confidence at the moment, and that Sunak has got complacent on those kind of core Tory topics.
    The tech bro thing will though be the new Tory attack line, for at least a week. In CCHQ they’re high fiving right now, having finally found their Ed eating a sandwich or Kinnock falling on the beach moment. They’ve realised that what sinks Labour leaders is not having beer and curry during lockdown or their deputies not knowing what their principal residence is, but mildly embarrassing moments captured on camera.

    It’ll then get dropped as a thing after a fortnight or so when it doesn’t move the polls, and they’ll move back on to him defending terrorists.
    Along with his flip flopping, it’s the thing they should hammer on every day until the GE. He is trying to sell himself as Mr Integrity and Competence; just keep showing him being deceitful whilst flapping. There are many compilations on X to use as resources
    That is what Sunak has been doing for the last year. It hasn't worked.

    Indeed voters seem to like a bit of pragmatism.
    I've never thought the public genuinely cares about politicians flip flopping. It happens all the time, sometimes for good reasons sometimes for less good reasons, and whether you can get away with it depends on how well you sell the change - since the public may well agree with the reasoning - and the general political atmosphere in which it takes place.

    It's the same with things like manifesto committments - do a generally good job or the opposition a bad job, and you won't get particularly punished even for missing a major committment. It's not like the Tories got punished for not meeting immigration targets.

    So Keir isn't bulletproof when it comes to changing views and policies, but he is in a strong position.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,775
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,581
    edited May 15
    I humbly submit that this is not money well spent.

    "Covid inquiry costing £300,000 a day"

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/covid-inquiry-costs-taxpayers-300k-day-wjgwgfr3d
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,775
    edited May 15
    Andy_JS said:

    I humbly submit that this is not money well spent.

    "Covid inquiry costing £300,000 a day"

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/covid-inquiry-costs-taxpayers-300k-day-wjgwgfr3d

    And we all know what the report will say. Little of which will actually lead to better systems and processes.
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 21,048
    £625 a month and within the rules. Next.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,775
    Sigh....

    The firm run by a man dubbed "Britain's kindest plumber" faked stories of helping people as it raised millions in donations, the BBC can reveal.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3gxg4jd0ggo
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    WillGWillG Posts: 2,184
    Those peace loving Israelis, destroying aid bound for the humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/InternationalNews/comments/1cslua9/israelis_block_aid_bound_for_gaza_delivery_trucks/
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,981
    Andy_JS said:

    Why do we keep having fuzzy photos on here?

    Click on a picture and open it in a new tab, or download it if you are feeling brave. You will find our fuzzy photos are actually tiny photos stretched to be far too large to fit, and rendered fuzzy in that process.

    Basically the mods have been playing with the picture settings to stop the half-full glass of beer for scale mob from bankrupting the site, but they've done it badly.
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,981

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    TimS said:

    Omnium said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    isam said:
    What's a tech blo blobber? #PMQs

    SKS Fans please translate!
    He was trying to say "bro" and he thought, I sound ridiculous, so he then tried to say "brother" and he did.

    Does this mean he is not our next PM? Probably not.
    After all, our Greatest Ever Prime Minister® wasn't renowned for getting to the end of a coherent sentence, ever.

    But he Had Charisma and Delivered Brexit, so that's fine.
    Boris was an untrustworthy lying shit (and I wasn't even married to him) but he was a funny untrustworthy lying shit. Worth a lot in my book.
    ‘Funny’ is such a subjective thing.
    I always found his heavily signalled overworked or underworked zingers followed by an expectation that everyone would be amused & charmed distinctly unfunny, so that’s a no redeeming qualities from me.
    “There are no disasters, only opportunities. And, indeed, opportunities for fresh
    disasters “.

    You don’t find that funny?
    Not really. What does it even mean?
    I suppose I might conjure up a grim rictus at the irony of BJ having a bit of a laff about disasters.

    Still, speaking of rictus smiles and exPMs, just had Gordy Broon on C4 going on about how terrible & damaging child poverty was in the UK. Thank goodness we listened to him in 2014, think how much worse it could have been.
    It wasn't that Boris necessarily did comedy routines, but one knew he had a sense of humour. An early speech referencing Huskisson's violent death due to Stevenson's rocket (back in the halcyon days) was funny because Boris accidentally made himself laugh. I don't think Truss is renowned for her sense of humour, though she seems quite a sport. Sunak doesn’t have a detectable sense of humour. Nor does Starmer.
    Truss is just insane
    Starmer seems like he's hiding a sense of humour somewhere
    Sunak won't share
    Starmer seems to be funnier in private than public, which is unhelpful for him. Truss I think had quite a decent sense of humour. May showed herself to have decent comic timing after the Queen’s death. Neither Cameron nor Clegg nor Brown had the humour gene. Blair had his moments. Major had it. Thatcher didn’t.
    I think Cameron could do a decent cutting line, like his 'not like we're brothers' jibe to Miliband, but it's a kind of top boy bullying humour perhaps. Truss I don't know but she has a cheeky grin.
    Having a sense of humour - getting jokes, laughing naturally, being at ease in the comic moment, capable of self deprecation - is quite common. Especially in the British. Actually BEING FUNNY - making people crack up - is vastly rarer

    I’d say Boris is the only PM with the gift that I can recall. And he proves that being funny can get you very far in life (into a lot of beds; and into great jobs) but it doesn’t mean you will be good at those jobs - not at all

    Indeed it’s so rare I’m not sure I can think of another significant British politician with the gift. Certainly not Cameron or brown or Blair or Truss or TMay.

    Maybe George Osborne?
    Gag writing, like plumbing, is something that really ought to be left to the professionals. There's still a talent to deliver someone else's material well, but to come up with good new jokes means seeing the world in a peculiar way that isn't that compatible with much else.

    (The inexplicable thing about Rishi isn't so much the poor delivery as the terrible material. That ought to be fixable by getting some competent writers in.)
    William Hague could write a good gag and deliver it. Both matter. Public speaking is no longer part of a politician's tradecraft and it shows. Gordon Brown and Liz Truss, for instance, both wrote better than they spoke. Brown gabbled monotonically and Truss had an odd, almost French delivery.
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    CiceroCicero Posts: 2,388

    Liz Truss could be an interesting choice as leader of REFORM. She would surely take the fight to the Tories, and Labour.

    And be nearly as successful as she was as a Tory...
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    nico679nico679 Posts: 5,180
    Looks like Ficos party will use the shooting to try and muzzle any criticism of the party and its pro Russian policies aswell as its attempts to stifle media freedom .

    The polarization in the country didn’t happen in a vacuum and has been made worse since Ficos party came to power .
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    Twickbait_55Twickbait_55 Posts: 116
    Andy_JS said:

    Has anyone been to Slovakia?

    Yes, several times. Beautiful country, sadly ruined by poor decisions and overt nationalism. Sounds familiar...
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    Twickbait_55Twickbait_55 Posts: 116
    EPG said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    TimS said:

    Omnium said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    isam said:
    What's a tech blo blobber? #PMQs

    SKS Fans please translate!
    He was trying to say "bro" and he thought, I sound ridiculous, so he then tried to say "brother" and he did.

    Does this mean he is not our next PM? Probably not.
    After all, our Greatest Ever Prime Minister® wasn't renowned for getting to the end of a coherent sentence, ever.

    But he Had Charisma and Delivered Brexit, so that's fine.
    Boris was an untrustworthy lying shit (and I wasn't even married to him) but he was a funny untrustworthy lying shit. Worth a lot in my book.
    ‘Funny’ is such a subjective thing.
    I always found his heavily signalled overworked or underworked zingers followed by an expectation that everyone would be amused & charmed distinctly unfunny, so that’s a no redeeming qualities from me.
    “There are no disasters, only opportunities. And, indeed, opportunities for fresh
    disasters “.

    You don’t find that funny?
    Not really. What does it even mean?
    I suppose I might conjure up a grim rictus at the irony of BJ having a bit of a laff about disasters.

    Still, speaking of rictus smiles and exPMs, just had Gordy Broon on C4 going on about how terrible & damaging child poverty was in the UK. Thank goodness we listened to him in 2014, think how much worse it could have been.
    It wasn't that Boris necessarily did comedy routines, but one knew he had a sense of humour. An early speech referencing Huskisson's violent death due to Stevenson's rocket (back in the halcyon days) was funny because Boris accidentally made himself laugh. I don't think Truss is renowned for her sense of humour, though she seems quite a sport. Sunak doesn’t have a detectable sense of humour. Nor does Starmer.
    Truss is just insane
    Starmer seems like he's hiding a sense of humour somewhere
    Sunak won't share
    Starmer seems to be funnier in private than public, which is unhelpful for him. Truss I think had quite a decent sense of humour. May showed herself to have decent comic timing after the Queen’s death. Neither Cameron nor Clegg nor Brown had the humour gene. Blair had his moments. Major had it. Thatcher didn’t.
    I think Cameron could do a decent cutting line, like his 'not like we're brothers' jibe to Miliband, but it's a kind of top boy bullying humour perhaps. Truss I don't know but she has a cheeky grin.
    Having a sense of humour - getting jokes, laughing naturally, being at ease in the comic moment, capable of self deprecation - is quite common. Especially in the British. Actually BEING FUNNY - making people crack up - is vastly rarer

    I’d say Boris is the only PM with the gift that I can recall. And he proves that being funny can get you very far in life (into a lot of beds; and into great jobs) but it doesn’t mean you will be good at those jobs - not at all

    Indeed it’s so rare I’m not sure I can think of another significant British politician with the gift. Certainly not Cameron or brown or Blair or Truss or TMay.

    Maybe George Osborne?
    Gag writing, like plumbing, is something that really ought to be left to the professionals. There's still a talent to deliver someone else's material well, but to come up with good new jokes means seeing the world in a peculiar way that isn't that compatible with much else.

    (The inexplicable thing about Rishi isn't so much the poor delivery as the terrible material. That ought to be fixable by getting some competent writers in.)
    Naturally funny politicians with proper comic timing and the ability to go beyond one joke into an impromptu riff (and I agree Johnson annoyingly did have that):

    - Trump. Sad.
    - Apparently Stalin
    - Berlusconi
    - Dennis Skinner
    - Idi Amin

    And a few who have their moments but fall short of being full natural comedians, including Farage, Farron, Charles Kennedy, Salmond.
    I never heard that about Stalin. Funny?? But maybe. He was definitely capable of dark humour

    I’m trying to think of funny monarchs. Perhaps Charles II - the merrie monarch for a reason. Elizabeth II had a gift for dry irony and litotes. God I miss Her Maj - the world has not been right since she passed
    Clement Freud was a politician wasn't he?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g17DL1YJ730
    Well, he was a Liberal MP. Is that the same thing?

    Similarly, Gyles Brandreth was a Conservative MP and Whip. Clearly, logically he was a politician, but somehow he also wasn't.

    And, elegantly, was in the pay of Big Waffle;

    https://youtu.be/2DnwJJJZaYU?t=4m31s
    Clement Freud was a master as a long time panellist on Just a Minute, he perfected the lugubrious retort.
    Actually probably the funniest member of recent times is Stephen Pound. His 1997 maiden speech is hysterical, him trying to recount memorable things associated with his constituency. Very good.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SYTXkgzotoU
    I think it would be a brave MP who tried this today. Five years of youtube clips about how your elite MP is mocking people like you.
    Yes, times and the view of politicians has drastically changed. To be fair to Pound and having grown up in the area it's hard to find memorable things related to Ealing North. Hoover Factory? (indeed a fine building) Spencer Percival? Assassinated. A buried circus elephant... He's still popular locally, despite retiring.
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    nico679nico679 Posts: 5,180

    £625 a month and within the rules. Next.
    And of course Tories MPs are salt of the earth and whiter than white when it comes to expenses ! If the DT wants to declare open season on MPs living arrangements then there’s plenty of muck to go around !
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,981
    nico679 said:

    £625 a month and within the rules. Next.
    And of course Tories MPs are salt of the earth and whiter than white when it comes to expenses ! If the DT wants to declare open season on MPs living arrangements then there’s plenty of muck to go around !
    Other way round imo and this is an attempt to shut down the criticism of Conservatives who made money from property sales that was starting to circulate following Raynergate.
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    kjhkjh Posts: 10,777
    At the bar having just seen Santana. That must have been one of the best concerts I have ever seen. Just awesome.
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    ClippPClippP Posts: 1,734
    Andy_JS said:

    I humbly submit that this is not money well spent.

    "Covid inquiry costing £300,000 a day"

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/covid-inquiry-costs-taxpayers-300k-day-wjgwgfr3d

    Of course... But the chums and cronies need it.....

    What would happen if they paid the lawyers just the minimum wage? Apart from being over much more quickly....
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,873
    Something very strange indeed going on here:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6pypkx43qko

    A mainstream school with that level of sickness absence? Just shouldn't be happening.

    (As an aside, even by their standards OFSTED's comment is utterly asinine. What is a report unless a comment on an individual inspection?)
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,689
    ydoethur said:

    Something very strange indeed going on here:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6pypkx43qko

    A mainstream school with that level of sickness absence? Just shouldn't be happening.

    (As an aside, even by their standards OFSTED's comment is utterly asinine. What is a report unless a comment on an individual inspection?)

    So long as the Trust CEO gets their wedge all is good.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,474
    ydoethur said:

    Something very strange indeed going on here:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6pypkx43qko

    A mainstream school with that level of sickness absence? Just shouldn't be happening.

    (As an aside, even by their standards OFSTED's comment is utterly asinine. What is a report unless a comment on an individual inspection?)

    I'm pretty sure an old friend of mine went to that school, a long time ago. This is pretty much of no relevance to anything. ;)
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    squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,411
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    Someone asked yesterday what had happened to Radio 4. I replied the BBC in general was in the shit... now they are putting adverts on podcasts and downloads... wtf..... they really sre in trouble... desperate times.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ca84b531-c56f-4574-952d-b6891232193a?shareToken=c0c8a843e10cadc957e59d7fbb63c84a
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,353
    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    isam said:
    What's a tech blo blobber? #PMQs

    SKS Fans please translate!
    He was trying to say "bro" and he thought, I sound ridiculous, so he then tried to say "brother" and he did.

    Does this mean he is not our next PM? Probably not.
    After all, our Greatest Ever Prime Minister® wasn't renowned for getting to the end of a coherent sentence, ever.

    But he Had Charisma and Delivered Brexit, so that's fine.
    Boris was an untrustworthy lying shit (and I wasn't even married to him) but he was a funny untrustworthy lying shit. Worth a lot in my book.
    ‘Funny’ is such a subjective thing.
    I always found his heavily signalled overworked or underworked zingers followed by an expectation that everyone would be amused & charmed distinctly unfunny, so that’s a no redeeming qualities from me.
    Being fair to Johnson, a rare thing from me, it is hard to make someone with no discernible sense of humour laugh.
    Boris is properly funny. It’s the one thing foreign leaders who loathe him - and there are many - nonetheless admit. He’s funny. You can see it in their social interactions on camera - G7 meetings etc - they are genuinely pleased to see him and they break into an unforced smile as he approaches: because they are thinking - Ah, at last, here’s someone who will lighten the mood and entertain me - after all these boring wankers

    That does not make him good PM material. Far from it. It’s an asset but you need lots of other stuff. Churchill was by all accounts genuinely witty but it was one tool in a wider skill set
    he is as funny as a hole in the head, an utter balloon. It must be an English thing as he is about as funny as Jimmy Carr or that fat git that went to America.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,681
    kjh said:

    At the bar having just seen Santana. That must have been one of the best concerts I have ever seen. Just awesome.

    I have Smooth (featuring Rob Thomas) on my play list. Superb guitar. Seeing him live must indeed be something else.
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,981

    Someone asked yesterday what had happened to Radio 4. I replied the BBC in general was in the shit... now they are putting adverts on podcasts and downloads... wtf..... they really sre in trouble... desperate times.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ca84b531-c56f-4574-952d-b6891232193a?shareToken=c0c8a843e10cadc957e59d7fbb63c84a

    British television in particular is skint. Costs are rising, the licence fee is not keeping pace, and advertising is leaving for warmer climes. Channels are reluctant to commission new programmes without foreign sales or partnerships. This is why Doctor Who is now paid for by The Mouse and is dropped early on iplayer so the BBC can say it is not being scooped by American streamers the night before its traditional British Saturday slot. It is why ITV warned it could not repeat Mr Bates because no-one abroad cares about the Post Office, and Channel 4 has announced a number of suspensions such as 8 Out of 10 Cats does Countdown.
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,981
    ydoethur said:

    Something very strange indeed going on here:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6pypkx43qko

    A mainstream school with that level of sickness absence? Just shouldn't be happening.

    (As an aside, even by their standards OFSTED's comment is utterly asinine. What is a report unless a comment on an individual inspection?)

    It shouldn't be happening but it is just about plausible that an infectious disease has torn through the staff room. A school with 70 children might not have a teaching staff in double figures. If this has been going on for months (since last year) then something else is wrong.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,353
    Dopermean said:

    kle4 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    What a ridiculous situation.

    "Crew trapped on Baltimore ship, seven weeks after bridge collapse"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-69011124

    Seems absurdly harsh, even if they are not being allowed to leave the country.
    Not at all uncommon for seafarers, you hear of cases where they've been trapped for months, even years. The employers treat seafarers appallingly. https://www.politico.eu/article/shameful-abandonment-of-seafarers-true-confidence-globalization-covid-19-ship/#:~:text=In Italy's port of Messina,owners have simply abandoned them.
    Think of the overtime pay though
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,573
    kjh said:

    At the bar having just seen Santana. That must have been one of the best concerts I have ever seen. Just awesome.

    Good pollster too.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,353

    £625 a month and within the rules. Next.
    Theiving scumbag more like
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,353
    carnforth said:

    I went to a scientific conference at a Slovakian government-owned castle at a place called Smolenice. Beautiful location, spolit by two things: we had to sleep six to a room (not warned in advance), and I saw a dead cat in a gutter on the walk from the station. Food was decent if prosaic.

    Bratislava was pleasant enough, but it was never meant to be a capital - so it's rather underpowered. But it's worth a visit - In the summer there is a regular river boat service to and from Vienna.

    Yes agree, I thought it was very pleasant , nice old town with lovely restaurants and you can sit with a beer overlooking the Danube, verypleasant.
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    nico679nico679 Posts: 5,180
    The options for the BBC in terms of changing the license fee model are limited .

    Personally I can live with adverts if this helps protect it but other broadcasters will go into meltdown as that will effect their revenues .

    Encrypting the BBC and forcing people to have a separate decoder will destroy it . Putting something like a media tax on to council tax bills will see a lot of pushback .

    The BBC remit means it’s asked to do a lot . People often forget just how many things it does .

    Personally I feel the license fee is good value. The BBC is part of British life , many of our shared moments happen because of it.

    People don’t appreciate what they have until it’s gone .
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    El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 3,967
    ydoethur said:

    Something very strange indeed going on here:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6pypkx43qko

    A mainstream school with that level of sickness absence? Just shouldn't be happening.

    (As an aside, even by their standards OFSTED's comment is utterly asinine. What is a report unless a comment on an individual inspection?)

    Academy trust, governors, head. Choose one.

    But my guess is usually governors who customarily combine absolutely no qualifications or knowledge whatsoever with a massive sense of self-importance.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,065
    Good morning, everyone.

    Mr. 679, the BBC does do a lot. That includes making stupid decisions. Throwing away the F1 rights and spending the 'saving' on the cost of the concept alone of The Voice is a wonderful example.
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    UnpopularUnpopular Posts: 792

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    TimS said:

    Omnium said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    isam said:
    What's a tech blo blobber? #PMQs

    SKS Fans please translate!
    He was trying to say "bro" and he thought, I sound ridiculous, so he then tried to say "brother" and he did.

    Does this mean he is not our next PM? Probably not.
    After all, our Greatest Ever Prime Minister® wasn't renowned for getting to the end of a coherent sentence, ever.

    But he Had Charisma and Delivered Brexit, so that's fine.
    Boris was an untrustworthy lying shit (and I wasn't even married to him) but he was a funny untrustworthy lying shit. Worth a lot in my book.
    ‘Funny’ is such a subjective thing.
    I always found his heavily signalled overworked or underworked zingers followed by an expectation that everyone would be amused & charmed distinctly unfunny, so that’s a no redeeming qualities from me.
    “There are no disasters, only opportunities. And, indeed, opportunities for fresh
    disasters “.

    You don’t find that funny?
    Not really. What does it even mean?
    I suppose I might conjure up a grim rictus at the irony of BJ having a bit of a laff about disasters.

    Still, speaking of rictus smiles and exPMs, just had Gordy Broon on C4 going on about how terrible & damaging child poverty was in the UK. Thank goodness we listened to him in 2014, think how much worse it could have been.
    It wasn't that Boris necessarily did comedy routines, but one knew he had a sense of humour. An early speech referencing Huskisson's violent death due to Stevenson's rocket (back in the halcyon days) was funny because Boris accidentally made himself laugh. I don't think Truss is renowned for her sense of humour, though she seems quite a sport. Sunak doesn’t have a detectable sense of humour. Nor does Starmer.
    Truss is just insane
    Starmer seems like he's hiding a sense of humour somewhere
    Sunak won't share
    Starmer seems to be funnier in private than public, which is unhelpful for him. Truss I think had quite a decent sense of humour. May showed herself to have decent comic timing after the Queen’s death. Neither Cameron nor Clegg nor Brown had the humour gene. Blair had his moments. Major had it. Thatcher didn’t.
    I think Cameron could do a decent cutting line, like his 'not like we're brothers' jibe to Miliband, but it's a kind of top boy bullying humour perhaps. Truss I don't know but she has a cheeky grin.
    Having a sense of humour - getting jokes, laughing naturally, being at ease in the comic moment, capable of self deprecation - is quite common. Especially in the British. Actually BEING FUNNY - making people crack up - is vastly rarer

    I’d say Boris is the only PM with the gift that I can recall. And he proves that being funny can get you very far in life (into a lot of beds; and into great jobs) but it doesn’t mean you will be good at those jobs - not at all

    Indeed it’s so rare I’m not sure I can think of another significant British politician with the gift. Certainly not Cameron or brown or Blair or Truss or TMay.

    Maybe George Osborne?
    Gag writing, like plumbing, is something that really ought to be left to the professionals. There's still a talent to deliver someone else's material well, but to come up with good new jokes means seeing the world in a peculiar way that isn't that compatible with much else.

    (The inexplicable thing about Rishi isn't so much the poor delivery as the terrible material. That ought to be fixable by getting some competent writers in.)
    William Hague could write a good gag and deliver it. Both matter. Public speaking is no longer part of a politician's tradecraft and it shows. Gordon Brown and Liz Truss, for instance, both wrote better than they spoke. Brown gabbled monotonically and Truss had an odd, almost French delivery.
    His speech on the development of the office of a President of the EU, and the spectre of Tony Blair holding the office, was genuinely hilarious. Even as an ardent Remainer, I go back and watch that one from time to time.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 63,538
    edited May 16
    nico679 said:

    The options for the BBC in terms of changing the license fee model are limited .

    Personally I can live with adverts if this helps protect it but other broadcasters will go into meltdown as that will effect their revenues .

    Encrypting the BBC and forcing people to have a separate decoder will destroy it . Putting something like a media tax on to council tax bills will see a lot of pushback .

    The BBC remit means it’s asked to do a lot . People often forget just how many things it does .

    Personally I feel the license fee is good value. The BBC is part of British life , many of our shared moments happen because of it.

    People don’t appreciate what they have until it’s gone .

    Funding it from general taxation is also an option; probably the best one.

    The alternative is that we just become an offshoot of US broadcast culture.
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    squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,411
    nico679 said:

    The options for the BBC in terms of changing the license fee model are limited .

    Personally I can live with adverts if this helps protect it but other broadcasters will go into meltdown as that will effect their revenues .

    Encrypting the BBC and forcing people to have a separate decoder will destroy it . Putting something like a media tax on to council tax bills will see a lot of pushback .

    The BBC remit means it’s asked to do a lot . People often forget just how many things it does .

    Personally I feel the license fee is good value. The BBC is part of British life , many of our shared moments happen because of it.

    People don’t appreciate what they have until it’s gone .

    So why does the BBC continue to alienate its audiences....
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 33,827

    So why does the BBC continue to alienate its audiences....

    Same reason the current Tory party continues to alienate lifelong Conservatives.

    Chasing fringe support at the expense of the bedrock
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 63,538
    malcolmg said:

    carnforth said:

    I went to a scientific conference at a Slovakian government-owned castle at a place called Smolenice. Beautiful location, spolit by two things: we had to sleep six to a room (not warned in advance), and I saw a dead cat in a gutter on the walk from the station. Food was decent if prosaic.

    Bratislava was pleasant enough, but it was never meant to be a capital - so it's rather underpowered. But it's worth a visit - In the summer there is a regular river boat service to and from Vienna.

    Yes agree, I thought it was very pleasant , nice old town with lovely restaurants and you can sit with a beer overlooking the Danube, verypleasant.
    Good stat is that they have less than a tenth of our population, and produce more cars than we do.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 115,034

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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 45,289
    malcolmg said:

    Dopermean said:

    kle4 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    What a ridiculous situation.

    "Crew trapped on Baltimore ship, seven weeks after bridge collapse"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-69011124

    Seems absurdly harsh, even if they are not being allowed to leave the country.
    Not at all uncommon for seafarers, you hear of cases where they've been trapped for months, even years. The employers treat seafarers appallingly. https://www.politico.eu/article/shameful-abandonment-of-seafarers-true-confidence-globalization-covid-19-ship/#:~:text=In Italy's port of Messina,owners have simply abandoned them.
    Think of the overtime pay though
    One of the problems is that the owners of the abandoned ships don't pay the crew, and they are not allowed to leave.
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,681
    nico679 said:

    The options for the BBC in terms of changing the license fee model are limited .

    Personally I can live with adverts if this helps protect it but other broadcasters will go into meltdown as that will effect their revenues .

    Encrypting the BBC and forcing people to have a separate decoder will destroy it . Putting something like a media tax on to council tax bills will see a lot of pushback .

    The BBC remit means it’s asked to do a lot . People often forget just how many things it does .

    Personally I feel the license fee is good value. The BBC is part of British life , many of our shared moments happen because of it.

    People don’t appreciate what they have until it’s gone .

    Stop paying the “talent” quite so much money, would help. Pay up and coming presenters, newsreaders etc. There are plenty of BBC presenters on huge salaries bed blocking the younger generations. I don’t watch MOTD to see Lineker.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 48,132
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