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  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,903

    Cypriot girl was nice.

    Wasn’t she singing “fuck you” as the chorus?
    That's what I heard.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,162

    Sorry Slovenia lady. Figure-hugging catsuit will get you nowhere on this show. Be a bloke from 1985 dancing with your cock out? Sure. Otherwise? Not that shocking

    I'm so old I remember when the filth and the fury was a pastel coloured skirt being whipped away.

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,207

    This lass has come straight from her mud bath....

    Lass? She looks as old as me!
    "Lass" covers a multitude of rudeness....
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 17,973
    The artists after party is going to be quite something you'd imagine.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,531

    Eabhal said:

    PB is very funny sometimes. Scandalised by Eurovision.

    It encapsulates the absurdities of Brexit, that we were expelled from Erasmus but not from Eurovision.
    Israel, Armenia, Serbia and a host of others have never been EU members.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,652
    Hideous idea Hideous songs. Move on....
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,872
    I can see why Croatia is favourite. This is quite good.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 17,973
    edited May 11
    Croatia - "I'm moving away and I sold my cow"
    "It's a very relatable song," says my wife.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,207
    Croatia. Like a home-crocheted Slipknot....
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,141
    Croatia . Good grief what utter crap and apparently it’s well fancied to win !
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,756

    I can see why Croatia is favourite. This is quite good.

    Billy Idol meets Adam Ant singing Pirate Metal
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,162
    Moments of Van Halen.

    I'm not convinced this is the favourite.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,162
    Laying Croatia
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,162
    nico679 said:

    Croatia . Good grief what utter crap and apparently it’s well fancied to win !

    Indeed. I have laid.
  • NeilVWNeilVW Posts: 732
    nico679 said:

    I’m all for some homo erotic stuff but the UK entry was a bit too risqué !

    And the dancers were puny , at least have some proper muscle in centurion outfits ! The song was dirge and the guy can’t sing.

    Shall we put you down as a maybe?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,756

    nico679 said:

    Croatia . Good grief what utter crap and apparently it’s well fancied to win !

    Indeed. I have laid.
    So has Windows95Man
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,207
    Lots more fart-lighting....
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,162
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,903
    For me Croatia wins unless the Israel voting thing happens.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,162

    nico679 said:

    Croatia . Good grief what utter crap and apparently it’s well fancied to win !

    Indeed. I have laid.
    So has Windows95Man
    Microsoft are suing presumably for TM issues.

  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,459
    New Minnesota state flag, adopted as of . . . today.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Minnesota
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,162
    France last won in 1977.

    LOL.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,162
    Every year FR enters a ballad.

    LOL
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,756
    France didn’t get the memo
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,518
    I liked Croatia, can see why it's the favourite.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,179

    France didn’t get the memo

    It's good that regional languages are still preserved.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,872

    Every year FR enters a ballad.

    LOL

    And every year it's the same result.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,531
    Great voice from the Frenchman!
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,756

    France didn’t get the memo

    No dancers. No set. No pyros. No fun.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,162

    France didn’t get the memo

    It's good that regional languages are still preserved.
    It's one of the key oddities of EUvision.

    Not to be all British Empire and all that, but...


    Why sing in anything other than English??

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,531
    Brighton!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,162

    France didn’t get the memo

    They eat the memo with garlic.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,640
    MaxPB said:

    I liked Croatia, can see why it's the favourite.

    I think my favourite songs are Armenia and Ukraine. Including performance, I’d add Ireland. But that is not a betting prediction.

    Sweden were very boring.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,162

    Brighton!

    WTF was that?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,531
    Austria are OK :)
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,872

    France didn’t get the memo

    It's good that regional languages are still preserved.
    They didn't try hard enough with their empire, basically.

    Oh well.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,640

    Brighton!

    WTF was that?
    That was humour!

    Their fake Finnish dance number in the second semifinal was hilarious.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,239

    Every year FR enters a ballad.

    LOL

    And every year it's the same result.
    It has been said that France and the UK are some kind of strange fairground mirror image.

    And now it has been said again.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,756
    Austria. Bring back Conchita
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,640
    edited May 11
    Austria: Rum de dum dum ~~hip wriggle~~ is good, but the rest of the song is a bit meh.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,162
    Actually this is not bad.

    She's 360/1
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,531
    Malin Akerman looks OK :)
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,162

    Austria: Rum de dum dum ~~hip wriggle~~ is good, but the rest of the song is a bit meh.

    Reckon the odds will shorten
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,356

    France didn’t get the memo

    It's good that regional languages are still preserved.
    It's one of the key oddities of EUvision.

    Not to be all British Empire and all that, but...


    Why sing in anything other than English??

    The trend over recent years is away from English.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,207
    OK, wheel out Abba.....
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,872
    I voted for Croatia
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,640
    I think the UK song is above median, but not a winner.

    I’ve not looked at the latest odds, but Switzerland is my best guess for winner.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,006
    When was the last time every country's entry was sung in one of their native languages?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,356
    Armenia for me, and Ireland and Finland for the LOLs
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,518

    I think the UK song is above median, but not a winner.

    I’ve not looked at the latest odds, but Switzerland is my best guess for winner.

    What song did you listen to? It was genuinely awful, I think we're joint favourite for last place with Germany.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,179
    Andy_JS said:

    When was the last time every country's entry was sung in one of their native languages?

    There was a native language rule from 1977 to 1998.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,903

    nico679 said:

    Croatia . Good grief what utter crap and apparently it’s well fancied to win !

    Indeed. I have laid.
    So has Windows95Man
    He reminded me of early career Andre Agassi.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,872

    I think the UK song is above median, but not a winner.

    It was like watching a bad onlyfans on Grindr.

    Awful - in every way.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 17,973
    Foxy said:

    France didn’t get the memo

    It's good that regional languages are still preserved.
    It's one of the key oddities of EUvision.

    Not to be all British Empire and all that, but...


    Why sing in anything other than English??

    The trend over recent years is away from English.
    My wife noticed that tonight. She says it bodes ill for Europe if countries are more concerned with presenting a strong national identity, rather than aiming for a broader appeal with English. PhDs have been written about what countries Eurovision entries say about them.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 27,993
    Alcazar get my vote
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,006
    Hang on, this is Spacer by Sheila & B Devotion from 1979.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,640
    MaxPB said:

    I think the UK song is above median, but not a winner.

    I’ve not looked at the latest odds, but Switzerland is my best guess for winner.

    What song did you listen to? It was genuinely awful, I think we're joint favourite for last place with Germany.
    De gustibus non est disputandum.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,006
    This is more proof that late 70s / early 80s music is best, being a cover of a song from 1979.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,654

    Foxy said:

    France didn’t get the memo

    It's good that regional languages are still preserved.
    It's one of the key oddities of EUvision.

    Not to be all British Empire and all that, but...


    Why sing in anything other than English??

    The trend over recent years is away from English.
    My wife noticed that tonight. She says it bodes ill for Europe if countries are more concerned with presenting a strong national identity, rather than aiming for a broader appeal with English. PhDs have been written about what countries Eurovision entries say about them.
    I would hate to see what those PhDs say about what our entries tell people about us.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,640
    OK, then, any more aurorae tonight?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,518
    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    France didn’t get the memo

    It's good that regional languages are still preserved.
    It's one of the key oddities of EUvision.

    Not to be all British Empire and all that, but...


    Why sing in anything other than English??

    The trend over recent years is away from English.
    My wife noticed that tonight. She says it bodes ill for Europe if countries are more concerned with presenting a strong national identity, rather than aiming for a broader appeal with English. PhDs have been written about what countries Eurovision entries say about them.
    I would hate to see what those PhDs say about what our entries tell people about us.
    Indeed.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 17,973
    I'd put Croatia, Switzerland and Ireland as the three strongest contenders, but there are a few other strong entries.

    Some strong competition for the wooden spoon too!
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,939
    A joyous day.

    The Heed victorious in the FA Trophy final.

    So one team from Tyneside has won a domestic trophy in my lifetime.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,640

    I think the UK song is above median, but not a winner.

    It was like watching a bad onlyfans on Grindr.

    Awful - in every way.
    I bow to your experience of Grindr and OnlyFans. I’ve lived a more sheltered life.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,162
    ABBA utterly destroy the previous 24 songs.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,207
    MaxPB said:

    I think the UK song is above median, but not a winner.

    I’ve not looked at the latest odds, but Switzerland is my best guess for winner.

    What song did you listen to? It was genuinely awful, I think we're joint favourite for last place with Germany.
    Harsh.

    On Germany.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,756

    OK, wheel out Abba.....

    Better. They wheeled out CONCHITA
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,006
    edited May 11
    Still don't have a clue what the lyrics of Waterloo are about. The individual words and phrases make sense, but not the whole thing.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,141
    I thought last years UK entry was very good and scored that miserable result . So I dread to think what will happen this year.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,640
    Andy_JS said:

    Still don't have a clue what the lyrics of Waterloo are about. The individual words and phrases make sense, but not the whole thing.

    Love is like a battlefield. The narrator has lost and fallen in love with the target of the song. But she doesn’t mind “losing” in this way. Makes sense as a whole.
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 644
    Is it only me who find present day Abba unbelievably tedious and distasteful. They want the money that comes with big nostalgia tours but can’t actually be bothered to perform. They couldn’t even be arsed to sound interested when doing a voice over for their own bloody anniversary year.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,518
    nico679 said:

    I thought last years UK entry was very good and scored that miserable result . So I dread to think what will happen this year.

    The problem with last year's song was that it was negative and a difficult concept for European audiences who don't have idiomatic English to understand plus it wasn't a very good tune. It was trying to be far too clever for Eurovision.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,756
    Andy_JS said:

    Still don't have a clue what the lyrics of Waterloo are about. The individual words and phrases make sense, but not the whole thing.

    It’s a song about how great songs can outlive Glam Rock
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,640
    I’d give a performance award to Spain, Ireland or Finland. Costume changes always a good idea. Finland bucking the trend by putting *on* clothes.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,253
    edited May 11

    OK, then, any more aurorae tonight?

    Suposed to be but the aurora watch site is down at the moment so no idea about the current strength of the solar storm. NOAA currently has it as a G3 but predicted to increase to G4 (last night was G5)
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,872
    Stereodog said:

    Is it only me who find present day Abba unbelievably tedious and distasteful. They want the money that comes with big nostalgia tours but can’t actually be bothered to perform. They couldn’t even be arsed to sound interested when doing a voice over for their own bloody anniversary year.

    Yeah, agreed. Terrible they didn't even show up (at any level) tonight.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,518

    Stereodog said:

    Is it only me who find present day Abba unbelievably tedious and distasteful. They want the money that comes with big nostalgia tours but can’t actually be bothered to perform. They couldn’t even be arsed to sound interested when doing a voice over for their own bloody anniversary year.

    Yeah, agreed. Terrible they didn't even show up (at any level) tonight.
    I'm told that the EBU were trying to get them to show up until yesterday.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,356
    Stereodog said:

    Is it only me who find present day Abba unbelievably tedious and distasteful. They want the money that comes with big nostalgia tours but can’t actually be bothered to perform. They couldn’t even be arsed to sound interested when doing a voice over for their own bloody anniversary year.

    A certain fatalistic grim stoicism is very Swedish!
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,141
    MaxPB said:

    nico679 said:

    I thought last years UK entry was very good and scored that miserable result . So I dread to think what will happen this year.

    The problem with last year's song was that it was negative and a difficult concept for European audiences who don't have idiomatic English to understand plus it wasn't a very good tune. It was trying to be far too clever for Eurovision.
    I really liked it and thought Mae Muller was robbed . Tonight it was overall dire quality apart from a few songs. I’ll be horrified if Croatia win , come on Switzerland!
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,001

    A joyous day.

    The Heed victorious in the FA Trophy final.

    So one team from Tyneside has won a domestic trophy in my lifetime.

    And Romford won the Vase. Well done them.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,654
    Switched on briefly to get a reprise of the acts and the voting system. If we get nul points it will be too many.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,239
    edited May 11

    I think the UK song is above median, but not a winner.

    It was like watching a bad onlyfans on Grindr.

    Awful - in every way.
    I bow to your experience of Grindr and OnlyFans. I’ve lived a more sheltered life.
    I've watched Eurovision only a little in the last 20 years or so. Oh, kids, 4 channels and a slightly more middle class Royale family vibe going on, of course I did in years gone by.

    Saw about 4 songs this evening including the UK, between other requests on the remote control. It was not the gayness, it was that the camera never panned out to give any sense that there was anything beyond that 4x3x3 box, no sense that the UK were performing live, no sense that it was a Eurovision performance. It could have been the pop video.

    If you are staging for a live event, make use of the live stage.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,162

    Andy_JS said:

    Still don't have a clue what the lyrics of Waterloo are about. The individual words and phrases make sense, but not the whole thing.

    Love is like a battlefield. The narrator has lost and fallen in love with the target of the song. But she doesn’t mind “losing” in this way. Makes sense as a whole.
    Yep. Can't see why that is so difficult to grasp.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,356
    Pro_Rata said:

    I think the UK song is above median, but not a winner.

    It was like watching a bad onlyfans on Grindr.

    Awful - in every way.
    I bow to your experience of Grindr and OnlyFans. I’ve lived a more sheltered life.
    I've watched Eurovision only a little in the last 20 years or so. Oh, kids, 4 channels and a slightly more middle class Royale family vibe going on, of course I did.

    Saw about 4 songs this evening including the UK, between other requests. It was not the gayness, it was that the camera never panned out to give any sense that there was anything beyond the 4x3x3 box, no sense that the UK were performing live, no sense that it was a Eurovision performance. It could have been the pop video.

    If you are staging for a live event, make use of the live stage.
    It wasn't the gayness that bothered Mrs Foxy, more that it looked like it was set in a dirty locker room.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,407
    edited May 11


    I think Malin Ackerman wins. Songs were a bit ordinary but she’s lovely.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,518
    nico679 said:

    MaxPB said:

    nico679 said:

    I thought last years UK entry was very good and scored that miserable result . So I dread to think what will happen this year.

    The problem with last year's song was that it was negative and a difficult concept for European audiences who don't have idiomatic English to understand plus it wasn't a very good tune. It was trying to be far too clever for Eurovision.
    I really liked it and thought Mae Muller was robbed . Tonight it was overall dire quality apart from a few songs. I’ll be horrified if Croatia win , come on Switzerland!
    But this is the problem for UK songs, they try to appeal to UK listeners which fundamentally doesn't make sense. The audience doesn't get lyrics about a girl wanting to get even with an ex by writing a song and generally the concept of getting even is too negative for the Eurovision audience. It needs to be much more positive about achieving something amazing or freedom etc... not a bitchy song about some unnamed person.

    The last time we did well was a hugely positive song about going to space (or getting high, depending on your perspective) and making friends with aliens. We need to do better at keeping it much more simple and making sure that the song is really positive and well performed. Either that or something really off the wall like Ireland, but I don't think we could get a performer like that to do it.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 27,993
    I've forgotten about the music already.

    The winner has to be the chap who got his old chap.out.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,518
    Foxy said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    I think the UK song is above median, but not a winner.

    It was like watching a bad onlyfans on Grindr.

    Awful - in every way.
    I bow to your experience of Grindr and OnlyFans. I’ve lived a more sheltered life.
    I've watched Eurovision only a little in the last 20 years or so. Oh, kids, 4 channels and a slightly more middle class Royale family vibe going on, of course I did.

    Saw about 4 songs this evening including the UK, between other requests. It was not the gayness, it was that the camera never panned out to give any sense that there was anything beyond the 4x3x3 box, no sense that the UK were performing live, no sense that it was a Eurovision performance. It could have been the pop video.

    If you are staging for a live event, make use of the live stage.
    It wasn't the gayness that bothered Mrs Foxy, more that it looked like it was set in a dirty locker room.
    As someone in my WhatsApp group put it - "why are they singing in the men's bathroom at torture garden?"
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,162

    Beth Rigby
    @BethRigby
    ·
    27m

    I really think Europe should crown the witch
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,239

    OK, then, any more aurorae tonight?

    No sign yet. I wandered out just before 10.30 but it has still to get a bit darker and I didn't have the good night setting camera phone that enhances the colour palette at least 5 fold over the naked eye.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,872
    Switzerland now 2nd - overtaken Israel in the betting
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,872
    France 4th. For some unfathomable reason its come in.

    Leaked jury votes is my only guess.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,477
    Switzerland are now second favourites as Israel have drifted out to 7 on Betfair.

    Croatia 1.65
    Switzerland 6.2
    Israel 7.4
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,640
    Pro_Rata said:

    OK, then, any more aurorae tonight?

    No sign yet. I wandered out just before 10.30 but it has still to get a bit darker and I didn't have the good night setting camera phone that enhances the colour palette at least 5 fold over the naked eye.
    Yeah, nothing here (London), even with the phone camera that picked it up last night.

    Oh well, just have to hope the Sun will explode again some other night.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,640

    France 4th. For some unfathomable reason its come in.

    Leaked jury votes is my only guess.

    !!!!!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,006
    Didn't know they'd gone back to using juries.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,518

    France 4th. For some unfathomable reason its come in.

    Leaked jury votes is my only guess.

    I think France might become the lightning rod for the anti-Semite vote.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,531
    Here we go!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,162
    Booing.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,531
    Swiss bloke at least could sing I suppose!
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