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Could the provinces save Sunak? – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,114
edited May 12 in General
Could the provinces save Sunak? – politicalbetting.com

We also find a statistical tie in the race to be the new Mayor of the North East. Labour’s Kim McGuinness leads Independent Jamie Driscoll by 2. The poll indicates higher propensity to vote by Driscoll supporters is what is keeping this race close and a squeeze of Tory voters. pic.twitter.com/HxNZTBoKLT

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  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,646

    Test

    Match
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,646
    Share of men under 30 who admit to having zero sex partners since they turned 18: 27%

    The curve is interesting

    https://nitter.poast.org/SMTuffy/status/1783781813950845313#m
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,576
    Save him? No. Provide some grounds to try to spin things as not apocalyptic? Sure.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,576
    The once and future(?) leader of the of the free world.

    Trump keeps crying that the NY trial is keeping him from campaigning. What did he do last Sun? Nothing. Wed’s day off? Nothing. Last night? Signed hats and shirts at MAL. This guy does nothing but whine, play golf, and hang out with adoring cultists at his country club.
    https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1784565026424021129?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

    I think as much as Trump likes his adoring rallies even he might be getting bored of the same old speech over and over that he gives, so whilst he hates having to sit in a cold court room all day with nothing to do but read articles praising him that he has printed out for him, perhaps he is seeing the positives in not having to campaign whilst (he hopes) getting the benefit of complaining about the state stopping him from campaigning.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,100
    Can’t believe people will vote for that idiot Driscoll. I’m voting McGuiiness as a vote against him. Won’t bother the PCC vote.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,675
    kle4 said:

    The once and future(?) leader of the of the free world.

    Trump keeps crying that the NY trial is keeping him from campaigning. What did he do last Sun? Nothing. Wed’s day off? Nothing. Last night? Signed hats and shirts at MAL. This guy does nothing but whine, play golf, and hang out with adoring cultists at his country club.
    https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1784565026424021129?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

    I think as much as Trump likes his adoring rallies even he might be getting bored of the same old speech over and over that he gives, so whilst he hates having to sit in a cold court room all day with nothing to do but read articles praising him that he has printed out for him, perhaps he is seeing the positives in not having to campaign whilst (he hopes) getting the benefit of complaining about the state stopping him from campaigning.

    @RpsAgainstTrump

    Trump: “Which is incapable of solvin’ even the sollest problem. We are an institute in a powerful death penalty. We will put this on.”

    Trump is not well.

    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1784568384115429380
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,001
    Sunakcher?

    Some attempt to portmanteau the glories of Maggie, or a cross between Sunak and the Childcatcher?

    Either works.

    But whilst the spin in May 1990 (Ken Baker?) was a work of genius, Maggie was still out of office six months later.
  • DonkeysDonkeys Posts: 723
    "Back in 1990 Mrs Thatcher managed to spin the 1990 locals as a good result for the Tories by focussing on the Tory holds the flagship councils of Westminster and Wandsworth".

    Yes - this is what I have been thinking about too. The Tories got walloped - they lost nearly 300 seats - but Wandsworth, Wandsworth, Wandsworth was what was all over the rightwing media, i.e. most of the media. Wandsworth had a very low poll tax, and if memory serves it was actually reduced to zero in early 1991 when £140 was taken off everywhere and Wandsworth was the only place it had been under £140 to start with.

    Of course Thatcher herself was out of office by then, the results in the locals having triggered a "Thatcher should go" feeling among some Tories which hadn't been heard for more than a decade. But the Tories won the general election of 1992 and Major was nowhere near as charismatic as Mordaunt.





  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,675
    @Steven_Swinford

    For the avoidance of any doubt on a Sunday afternoon Rishi Sunak *will not* be calling a general election tomorrow

    The plan is still to hold an election in the Autumn - most likely November 14 - although after the locals it could all become much less predictable
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,001
    Taz said:

    Can’t believe people will vote for that idiot Driscoll. I’m voting McGuiiness as a vote against him. Won’t bother the PCC vote.

    Seems like quite a few 2019 Conservatives are;

    Because we ask people their 2019 General Election vote (relying on recall) we can get an idea of where each candidate is drawing voters from. As you can see McGuinness's lead is driven by holding 2019 Labour voters, Driscoll runs close by taking a good chunk of 2019 Conservatives.

    https://twitter.com/LukeTryl/status/1784519299836653827

    Some sort of Stick It To The Man dynamic?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,188

    Sunakcher?

    Some attempt to portmanteau the glories of Maggie, or a cross between Sunak and the Childcatcher?

    Either works.

    But whilst the spin in May 1990 (Ken Baker?) was a work of genius, Maggie was still out of office six months later.

    A typo. Fixed now.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 5,843
    viewcode said:

    Share of men under 30 who admit to having zero sex partners since they turned 18: 27%

    The curve is interesting

    https://nitter.poast.org/SMTuffy/status/1783781813950845313#m

    My God, we need to get these people laid or the country itself will be screwed.

    I have the solution. A massive government investment in pubs and discounted booze, and the internet to be switched off between 7pm and 5am.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,675
    The Tories should ditch Richi. Today.

    If his appearance on TV this morning is anything to go by, having him front an election campaign is going to cost them even more seats...
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,100

    Taz said:

    Can’t believe people will vote for that idiot Driscoll. I’m voting McGuiiness as a vote against him. Won’t bother the PCC vote.

    Seems like quite a few 2019 Conservatives are;

    Because we ask people their 2019 General Election vote (relying on recall) we can get an idea of where each candidate is drawing voters from. As you can see McGuinness's lead is driven by holding 2019 Labour voters, Driscoll runs close by taking a good chunk of 2019 Conservatives.

    https://twitter.com/LukeTryl/status/1784519299836653827

    Some sort of Stick It To The Man dynamic?
    Thank you for the link. That’s absolutely fascinating. I think you’re correct with your conclusion
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,139
    This may appeal to some on here: Sci-Fi scarecrows

    https://twitter.com/aneercs/status/1784535464059232359
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,573
    From the D2N2 province - not on your nelly.

    So, in summary Conservatives either have a personal vote not linked to being Conservative, or are - so to speak - SUNaKed.

    I wonder what will happen with Police & Crime Commissioners, who are the only group being re-elected across the whole of England / Wales?
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 5,843
    edited April 28
    MattW said:

    From the D2N2 province - not on your nelly.

    So, in summary Conservatives either have a personal vote not linked to being Conservative, or are - so to speak - SUNaKed.

    I wonder what will happen with Police & Crime Commissioners, who are the only group being re-elected across the whole of England / Wales?

    And how low does turnout in those elections need to be for Cooper to put the concept out of its misery when she becomes Home Sec?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,646
    edited April 28
    biggles said:

    viewcode said:

    Share of men under 30 who admit to having zero sex partners since they turned 18: 27%

    The curve is interesting

    https://nitter.poast.org/SMTuffy/status/1783781813950845313#m

    My God, we need to get these people laid or the country itself will be screwed.

    I have the solution. A massive government investment in pubs and discounted booze, and the internet to be switched off between 7pm and 5am.
    It's not booze. There are few people as unattractive and frankly incapable as drunken twentysomethings, plus there are consent issues. I think there should be compulsory national courses for twentysomethings in washing, combing ones hair, getting a better haircut, shaving regularly, moisturising, showering, and going to the gym. Plus shaving those stupid f***ing beards off.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,100

    This may appeal to some on here: Sci-Fi scarecrows

    https://twitter.com/aneercs/status/1784535464059232359

    Saw this on twitter. Love the Cyberman
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 5,843
    viewcode said:

    biggles said:

    viewcode said:

    Share of men under 30 who admit to having zero sex partners since they turned 18: 27%

    The curve is interesting

    https://nitter.poast.org/SMTuffy/status/1783781813950845313#m

    My God, we need to get these people laid or the country itself will be screwed.

    I have the solution. A massive government investment in pubs and discounted booze, and the internet to be switched off between 7pm and 5am.
    It's not booze. There are few people as unattractive and frankly incapable as drunken twentysomethings, plus there are consent issues. I think there should be compulsory national courses for twentysomethings in washing, combing ones hair, getting a better haircut, shaving regularly, moisturising, showering, and going to the gym. Plus shaving those stupid f***ing beards off.
    Yes that seems right. Also they need to be told that anyone who does their top button up without a tie, or wears shoes with no socks, will not attract women.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,576

    This may appeal to some on here: Sci-Fi scarecrows

    https://twitter.com/aneercs/status/1784535464059232359

    IDK, I'm not sure there's any overlap between sci-fi nerds and political nerds.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,573
    edited April 28
    biggles said:

    MattW said:

    From the D2N2 province - not on your nelly.

    So, in summary Conservatives either have a personal vote not linked to being Conservative, or are - so to speak - SUNaKed.

    I wonder what will happen with Police & Crime Commissioners, who are the only group being re-elected across the whole of England / Wales?

    And how low does turnout in those elections need to be for Cooper to put the concept out of its misery when she becomes Home Sec?
    I don't know - it's something I have not seen any Labour policy on.

    At the moment about 80% of them are Conservative.

    What impact would a lot more Labour PCCs have on that policy - say if more than half of PCCs were Labour figures?

    I'm generally pretty sceptical about PCCs, and supportive of Regional Mayors.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,576
    viewcode said:

    biggles said:

    viewcode said:

    Share of men under 30 who admit to having zero sex partners since they turned 18: 27%

    The curve is interesting

    https://nitter.poast.org/SMTuffy/status/1783781813950845313#m

    My God, we need to get these people laid or the country itself will be screwed.

    I have the solution. A massive government investment in pubs and discounted booze, and the internet to be switched off between 7pm and 5am.
    It's not booze. There are few people as unattractive and frankly incapable as drunken twentysomethings, plus there are consent issues. I think there should be compulsory national courses for twentysomethings in washing, combing ones hair, getting a better haircut, shaving regularly, moisturising, showering, and going to the gym. Plus shaving those stupid f***ing beards off.
    The beards thing I get - if you cannot grow a decent one, don't try it - but I thought young people were supposed to be all disgustingly healthy and metrosexual about their apperance thesedays?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,872
    viewcode said:

    Share of men under 30 who admit to having zero sex partners since they turned 18: 27%

    The curve is interesting

    https://nitter.poast.org/SMTuffy/status/1783781813950845313#m

    Tarp? Troubled Asset Relief Programme?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,872
    Scott_xP said:

    The Tories should ditch Richi. Today.

    If his appearance on TV this morning is anything to go by, having him front an election campaign is going to cost them even more seats...

    Nonsense. He will go all the way.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,646
    kle4 said:

    This may appeal to some on here: Sci-Fi scarecrows

    https://twitter.com/aneercs/status/1784535464059232359

    IDK, I'm not sure there's any overlap between sci-fi nerds and political nerds.
    Um...
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,646

    viewcode said:

    Share of men under 30 who admit to having zero sex partners since they turned 18: 27%

    The curve is interesting

    https://nitter.poast.org/SMTuffy/status/1783781813950845313#m

    Tarp? Troubled Asset Relief Programme?
    I think so. I assume it's an American curve.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,557

    There's been a tweet....

    If you’ve spent any time at all on the left of politics, you’re familiar with the progressive male class warrior, usually middle-class himself, whose interest in women’s issues begins and ends with sex work, stripping and abortions. He might claim to be a feminist ally and mutter vaguely about ‘equality’ if the need arises, but when a genuine assault on women’s rights erupted under his nose, he cut left wing women adrift without a second thought. He expected us to be so blindly tribal that we’d surrender single sex spaces, jettison the very language we use to describe ourselves, give up fair sport, agree rapists should be locked up in women’s prisons and that lesbians are bigots for not wanting to sleep with the penis-ed, because (horrors!) some people on the right thought these things were wrong, too.....

    The truth is that the left has fucked up monumentally on gender identity ideology and until it owns the mistake, it will continue to hand the right valid talking points. As more and more PMCWs realise this, they’ll take shameless refuge in accusations that we, the women criticising the injustice and insanity of gender identity ideology, were enabling the far-right. The fact is that they’ve done exactly that, by refusing to accept that there was anything wrong with a movement that was causing serious harm to troubled young people, trampling all over women’s rights and seeking to remove single-sex services for the most vulnerable.


    https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1784586797525184794

    The left is dividing on this issue quite badly

    There is a Guardian interview with Billy Bragg today which teeters on the edge of calling him a fecking wanker (he is) because of the trans issue. Sly references to his really big house in Dorset and his “late night tweets”
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,646
    kle4 said:

    viewcode said:

    biggles said:

    viewcode said:

    Share of men under 30 who admit to having zero sex partners since they turned 18: 27%

    The curve is interesting

    https://nitter.poast.org/SMTuffy/status/1783781813950845313#m

    My God, we need to get these people laid or the country itself will be screwed.

    I have the solution. A massive government investment in pubs and discounted booze, and the internet to be switched off between 7pm and 5am.
    It's not booze. There are few people as unattractive and frankly incapable as drunken twentysomethings, plus there are consent issues. I think there should be compulsory national courses for twentysomethings in washing, combing ones hair, getting a better haircut, shaving regularly, moisturising, showering, and going to the gym. Plus shaving those stupid f***ing beards off.
    The beards thing I get - if you cannot grow a decent one, don't try it - but I thought young people were supposed to be all disgustingly healthy and metrosexual about their apperance thesedays?
    I haven't done a survey and don't want to 😀

    My extremely valid and scientific method involved looking at my relatives, who seem overly fond of tattoos and wire-brush beards.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,576
    biggles said:

    MattW said:

    From the D2N2 province - not on your nelly.

    So, in summary Conservatives either have a personal vote not linked to being Conservative, or are - so to speak - SUNaKed.

    I wonder what will happen with Police & Crime Commissioners, who are the only group being re-elected across the whole of England / Wales?

    And how low does turnout in those elections need to be for Cooper to put the concept out of its misery when she becomes Home Sec?
    The first set of them in 2012 had turnout in the 12-20% range, averaging aroun 15%, which is half what you might get even in Local Elections.

    That increased in 2016 to coincide with some locals, but the turnout was still only around 1/4 it seems. It seems to have been up to around 1/3 in 2021, but apparently there were Senedd elections on top of some locals.

    In Wiltshire in 2021 there were 2 PCC elections, due to having to do a rerun. The one at the time of the locals had 207k votes, the rerun 91k, 17%. That is probably a good indication of the general level of interest in the role itself, which is not good despite 9 years of operation at that point.

    I imagine they are here to stay, but they've never worked as advertised, since it's just another party based vote 90% of the time, never mind performance.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,573
    edited April 28
    Trump.

    If he is found in criminal contempt of the Court in the NY case - likely this week - that places him in violation of his pre-trial release conditions in all of the cases, which include not to commit any State or Federal crimes. That's been bubbling around in the last wee; here is some specific commentary. 10 minute vid.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7qD_BnQOhw

    I do like the arm-lock of Mr Trump being behind bars until his trials are done as an incentive for him to stop dragging his feet like Just William exposed to a bathtub.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,001
    MattW said:

    biggles said:

    MattW said:

    From the D2N2 province - not on your nelly.

    So, in summary Conservatives either have a personal vote not linked to being Conservative, or are - so to speak - SUNaKed.

    I wonder what will happen with Police & Crime Commissioners, who are the only group being re-elected across the whole of England / Wales?

    And how low does turnout in those elections need to be for Cooper to put the concept out of its misery when she becomes Home Sec?
    I don't know - it's something I have not seen any Labour policy on.

    At the moment about 80% of them are Conservative.

    What impact would a lot more Labour PCCs have on that policy - say if more than half of PCCs were Labour figures?

    I'm generally pretty sceptical about PCCs, and supportive of Regional Mayors.
    Aren't PCCs gradually being folded into the Metro Mayor role anyway? The map won't be perfect, but it's probably the simplest way to let the role die.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,646
    Leon said:

    There's been a tweet....

    If you’ve spent any time at all on the left of politics, you’re familiar with the progressive male class warrior, usually middle-class himself, whose interest in women’s issues begins and ends with sex work, stripping and abortions. He might claim to be a feminist ally and mutter vaguely about ‘equality’ if the need arises, but when a genuine assault on women’s rights erupted under his nose, he cut left wing women adrift without a second thought. He expected us to be so blindly tribal that we’d surrender single sex spaces, jettison the very language we use to describe ourselves, give up fair sport, agree rapists should be locked up in women’s prisons and that lesbians are bigots for not wanting to sleep with the penis-ed, because (horrors!) some people on the right thought these things were wrong, too.....

    The truth is that the left has fucked up monumentally on gender identity ideology and until it owns the mistake, it will continue to hand the right valid talking points. As more and more PMCWs realise this, they’ll take shameless refuge in accusations that we, the women criticising the injustice and insanity of gender identity ideology, were enabling the far-right. The fact is that they’ve done exactly that, by refusing to accept that there was anything wrong with a movement that was causing serious harm to troubled young people, trampling all over women’s rights and seeking to remove single-sex services for the most vulnerable.


    https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1784586797525184794

    The left is dividing on this issue quite badly

    There is a Guardian interview with Billy Bragg today which teeters on the edge of calling him a fecking wanker (he is) because of the trans issue. Sly references to his really big house in Dorset and his “late night tweets”
    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2024/apr/28/billy-bragg-interview-progressive-patriot
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,557
    viewcode said:

    biggles said:

    viewcode said:

    Share of men under 30 who admit to having zero sex partners since they turned 18: 27%

    The curve is interesting

    https://nitter.poast.org/SMTuffy/status/1783781813950845313#m

    My God, we need to get these people laid or the country itself will be screwed.

    I have the solution. A massive government investment in pubs and discounted booze, and the internet to be switched off between 7pm and 5am.
    It's not booze. There are few people as unattractive and frankly incapable as drunken twentysomethings, plus there are consent issues. I think there should be compulsory national courses for twentysomethings in washing, combing ones hair, getting a better haircut, shaving regularly, moisturising, showering, and going to the gym. Plus shaving those stupid f***ing beards off.
    We’ve been through this. It’s got nothing to do with gym-going or “combing one’s hair”. FFS. This is the analysis of a dolt

    It’s the internet, specifically dating apps - plus access to infinite porn and the distractions of social media and video games

    The apps make it very hard for beta males (and lower) to get laid. The alphas get all the girls. This stuff has been analysed and it’s a known phenomenon. The porn and the distractions make this incel status less onerous (tho some still go mad, as we see from mass shootings in the USA)

    Add in to this a lowering of testosterone, smaller penises, lower IQ - men have been feminised and slightly infantilised. Again all known phenomena. Then there’s the lack of places to have sex for a generation stuck with their parents who can’t afford a house, and who earn lower incomes so they can’t even afford to take women out

    It’s a toxic mix for society as a whole not just men. The result is much less sex and far fewer babies

  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,779

    Scott_xP said:

    The Tories should ditch Richi. Today.

    If his appearance on TV this morning is anything to go by, having him front an election campaign is going to cost them even more seats...

    Nonsense. He will go all the way.
    Yes and I suspect his concession speech at around 3am on the Friday morning will be dignified and almost statesman like.

    As to whether the remnants of the Conservative Party will want or need him to be their leader I'm less certain. He could do a Major and quit on the Friday morning or stagger on to the Monday and then walk. The shattered survivors will be already looking to Badenoch, Braverman and Barclay to start the rebuilding process but no one will be interested as we await Starmer's Cabinet choices.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,576
    MattW said:

    Interesting on Trump.

    If he is found in criminal contempt of the Court in the NY case - likely this week - that places him in violation of his pre-trial release conditions in all of the cases, which include not to commit any State or Federal crimes. That's been bubbling around in the last wee; here is some specific commentary:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7qD_BnQOhw

    Enforce the rules or don't, those are the choices. So far courts have erred on the side of practicality and decided to not enforce such things as harshly as they usually would, but he keeps on pushing it and at some point they either admit those rules will not apply to him (the conservative Supreme Court justices would no doubt approve of that) and accept that makes them look toothless at this stage, or they enforce them and see politics and law explode at him being held in pre-trial detainment.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Leon said:

    There's been a tweet....

    If you’ve spent any time at all on the left of politics, you’re familiar with the progressive male class warrior, usually middle-class himself, whose interest in women’s issues begins and ends with sex work, stripping and abortions. He might claim to be a feminist ally and mutter vaguely about ‘equality’ if the need arises, but when a genuine assault on women’s rights erupted under his nose, he cut left wing women adrift without a second thought. He expected us to be so blindly tribal that we’d surrender single sex spaces, jettison the very language we use to describe ourselves, give up fair sport, agree rapists should be locked up in women’s prisons and that lesbians are bigots for not wanting to sleep with the penis-ed, because (horrors!) some people on the right thought these things were wrong, too.....

    The truth is that the left has fucked up monumentally on gender identity ideology and until it owns the mistake, it will continue to hand the right valid talking points. As more and more PMCWs realise this, they’ll take shameless refuge in accusations that we, the women criticising the injustice and insanity of gender identity ideology, were enabling the far-right. The fact is that they’ve done exactly that, by refusing to accept that there was anything wrong with a movement that was causing serious harm to troubled young people, trampling all over women’s rights and seeking to remove single-sex services for the most vulnerable.


    https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1784586797525184794

    The left is dividing on this issue quite badly

    There is a Guardian interview with Billy Bragg today which teeters on the edge of calling him a fecking wanker (he is) because of the trans issue. Sly references to his really big house in Dorset and his “late night tweets”
    The tweet was in response to the Billy Bragg interview:

    This comment by @billybragg perfectly sums up what left wing women have taken from left wing men over the last few years. The problem isn’t whether Julie Bindel and I are correct on the issues, but that certain right-wingers agree with us.

    After reading the Cass review, Rowling tweeted this:

    Even if you don't feel ashamed of cheerleading for what now looks like severe medical malpractice, even if you don't want to accept that you might have been wrong, where's your sense of self-preservation? The bandwagon you hopped on so gladly is hurtling towards a cliff. .....

    The consequences of this scandal will play out for decades. You cheered it on. You did all you could to impede and misrepresent research. You tried to bully people out of their jobs for opposing you. Young people have been experimented on, left infertile and in pain.


    https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1778105810725322906

    Bragg appears to be finally working out that just possibly he wasn't on the right side of history.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,557

    Leon said:

    There's been a tweet....

    If you’ve spent any time at all on the left of politics, you’re familiar with the progressive male class warrior, usually middle-class himself, whose interest in women’s issues begins and ends with sex work, stripping and abortions. He might claim to be a feminist ally and mutter vaguely about ‘equality’ if the need arises, but when a genuine assault on women’s rights erupted under his nose, he cut left wing women adrift without a second thought. He expected us to be so blindly tribal that we’d surrender single sex spaces, jettison the very language we use to describe ourselves, give up fair sport, agree rapists should be locked up in women’s prisons and that lesbians are bigots for not wanting to sleep with the penis-ed, because (horrors!) some people on the right thought these things were wrong, too.....

    The truth is that the left has fucked up monumentally on gender identity ideology and until it owns the mistake, it will continue to hand the right valid talking points. As more and more PMCWs realise this, they’ll take shameless refuge in accusations that we, the women criticising the injustice and insanity of gender identity ideology, were enabling the far-right. The fact is that they’ve done exactly that, by refusing to accept that there was anything wrong with a movement that was causing serious harm to troubled young people, trampling all over women’s rights and seeking to remove single-sex services for the most vulnerable.


    https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1784586797525184794

    The left is dividing on this issue quite badly

    There is a Guardian interview with Billy Bragg today which teeters on the edge of calling him a fecking wanker (he is) because of the trans issue. Sly references to his really big house in Dorset and his “late night tweets”
    The tweet was in response to the Billy Bragg interview:

    This comment by @billybragg perfectly sums up what left wing women have taken from left wing men over the last few years. The problem isn’t whether Julie Bindel and I are correct on the issues, but that certain right-wingers agree with us.

    After reading the Cass review, Rowling tweeted this:

    Even if you don't feel ashamed of cheerleading for what now looks like severe medical malpractice, even if you don't want to accept that you might have been wrong, where's your sense of self-preservation? The bandwagon you hopped on so gladly is hurtling towards a cliff. .....

    The consequences of this scandal will play out for decades. You cheered it on. You did all you could to impede and misrepresent research. You tried to bully people out of their jobs for opposing you. Young people have been experimented on, left infertile and in pain.


    https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1778105810725322906

    Bragg appears to be finally working out that just possibly he wasn't on the right side of history.
    He is an obnoxious plonker
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,646
    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    biggles said:

    viewcode said:

    Share of men under 30 who admit to having zero sex partners since they turned 18: 27%

    The curve is interesting

    https://nitter.poast.org/SMTuffy/status/1783781813950845313#m

    My God, we need to get these people laid or the country itself will be screwed.

    I have the solution. A massive government investment in pubs and discounted booze, and the internet to be switched off between 7pm and 5am.
    It's not booze. There are few people as unattractive and frankly incapable as drunken twentysomethings, plus there are consent issues. I think there should be compulsory national courses for twentysomethings in washing, combing ones hair, getting a better haircut, shaving regularly, moisturising, showering, and going to the gym. Plus shaving those stupid f***ing beards off.
    We’ve been through this. It’s got nothing to do with gym-going or “combing one’s hair”. FFS. This is the analysis of a dolt

    It’s the internet, specifically dating apps - plus access to infinite porn and the distractions of social media and video games

    The apps make it very hard for beta males (and lower) to get laid. The alphas get all the girls. This stuff has been analysed and it’s a known phenomenon. The porn and the distractions make this incel status less onerous (tho some still go mad, as we see from mass shootings in the USA)

    Add in to this a lowering of testosterone, smaller penises, lower IQ - men have been feminised and slightly infantilised. Again all known phenomena. Then there’s the lack of places to have sex for a generation stuck with their parents who can’t afford a house, and who earn lower incomes so they can’t even afford to take women out

    It’s a toxic mix for society as a whole not just men. The result is much less sex and far fewer babies

    Perhaps I should have put a "This is an ironic continuation of the previous post" in my reply. I am aware of much of your theory and agree with most of it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,576
    Speaking of no hope candidates, I find the tone used and issues of criticism by RFK Jr to be intriguing - he praises Trump as a debater despite criticising Trump's rant against him, but the top thing he is angry about Trump supposedly doing is the funding of Ukraine (not that Trump had anything to do with it).

    More than being an anti-vaxxer, more than talking about the national debt, RFK Jr must think being anti-Ukraine is the best way to appeal to Trump voters, given it is the top complaint he has with the man.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,100

    Leon said:

    There's been a tweet....

    If you’ve spent any time at all on the left of politics, you’re familiar with the progressive male class warrior, usually middle-class himself, whose interest in women’s issues begins and ends with sex work, stripping and abortions. He might claim to be a feminist ally and mutter vaguely about ‘equality’ if the need arises, but when a genuine assault on women’s rights erupted under his nose, he cut left wing women adrift without a second thought. He expected us to be so blindly tribal that we’d surrender single sex spaces, jettison the very language we use to describe ourselves, give up fair sport, agree rapists should be locked up in women’s prisons and that lesbians are bigots for not wanting to sleep with the penis-ed, because (horrors!) some people on the right thought these things were wrong, too.....

    The truth is that the left has fucked up monumentally on gender identity ideology and until it owns the mistake, it will continue to hand the right valid talking points. As more and more PMCWs realise this, they’ll take shameless refuge in accusations that we, the women criticising the injustice and insanity of gender identity ideology, were enabling the far-right. The fact is that they’ve done exactly that, by refusing to accept that there was anything wrong with a movement that was causing serious harm to troubled young people, trampling all over women’s rights and seeking to remove single-sex services for the most vulnerable.


    https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1784586797525184794

    The left is dividing on this issue quite badly

    There is a Guardian interview with Billy Bragg today which teeters on the edge of calling him a fecking wanker (he is) because of the trans issue. Sly references to his really big house in Dorset and his “late night tweets”
    The tweet was in response to the Billy Bragg interview:

    This comment by @billybragg perfectly sums up what left wing women have taken from left wing men over the last few years. The problem isn’t whether Julie Bindel and I are correct on the issues, but that certain right-wingers agree with us.

    After reading the Cass review, Rowling tweeted this:

    Even if you don't feel ashamed of cheerleading for what now looks like severe medical malpractice, even if you don't want to accept that you might have been wrong, where's your sense of self-preservation? The bandwagon you hopped on so gladly is hurtling towards a cliff. .....

    The consequences of this scandal will play out for decades. You cheered it on. You did all you could to impede and misrepresent research. You tried to bully people out of their jobs for opposing you. Young people have been experimented on, left infertile and in pain.


    https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1778105810725322906

    Bragg appears to be finally working out that just possibly he wasn't on the right side of history.
    Problem for him is people have the receipts.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,576
    edited April 28
    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    biggles said:

    viewcode said:

    Share of men under 30 who admit to having zero sex partners since they turned 18: 27%

    The curve is interesting

    https://nitter.poast.org/SMTuffy/status/1783781813950845313#m

    My God, we need to get these people laid or the country itself will be screwed.

    I have the solution. A massive government investment in pubs and discounted booze, and the internet to be switched off between 7pm and 5am.
    It's not booze. There are few people as unattractive and frankly incapable as drunken twentysomethings, plus there are consent issues. I think there should be compulsory national courses for twentysomethings in washing, combing ones hair, getting a better haircut, shaving regularly, moisturising, showering, and going to the gym. Plus shaving those stupid f***ing beards off.
    We’ve been through this. It’s got nothing to do with gym-going or “combing one’s hair”. FFS. This is the analysis of a dolt

    It’s the internet, specifically dating apps - plus access to infinite porn and the distractions of social media and video games

    The apps make it very hard for beta males (and lower) to get laid. The alphas get all the girls. This stuff has been analysed and it’s a known phenomenon. The porn and the distractions make this incel status less onerous (tho some still go mad, as we see from mass shootings in the USA)

    Add in to this a lowering of testosterone, smaller penises, lower IQ - men have been feminised and slightly infantilised. Again all known phenomena. Then there’s the lack of places to have sex for a generation stuck with their parents who can’t afford a house, and who earn lower incomes so they can’t even afford to take women out

    It’s a toxic mix for society as a whole not just men. The result is much less sex and far fewer babies

    The solution is clear - a points based immigration system rewarding those with higher testosterone levels and enlarged genitals (there's already provision for those in perceived higher IQ professions).

    ETA:

    Come to think of it, if most boat people are virile young men, sounds like just the ticket.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,557
    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    biggles said:

    viewcode said:

    Share of men under 30 who admit to having zero sex partners since they turned 18: 27%

    The curve is interesting

    https://nitter.poast.org/SMTuffy/status/1783781813950845313#m

    My God, we need to get these people laid or the country itself will be screwed.

    I have the solution. A massive government investment in pubs and discounted booze, and the internet to be switched off between 7pm and 5am.
    It's not booze. There are few people as unattractive and frankly incapable as drunken twentysomethings, plus there are consent issues. I think there should be compulsory national courses for twentysomethings in washing, combing ones hair, getting a better haircut, shaving regularly, moisturising, showering, and going to the gym. Plus shaving those stupid f***ing beards off.
    We’ve been through this. It’s got nothing to do with gym-going or “combing one’s hair”. FFS. This is the analysis of a dolt

    It’s the internet, specifically dating apps - plus access to infinite porn and the distractions of social media and video games

    The apps make it very hard for beta males (and lower) to get laid. The alphas get all the girls. This stuff has been analysed and it’s a known phenomenon. The porn and the distractions make this incel status less onerous (tho some still go mad, as we see from mass shootings in the USA)

    Add in to this a lowering of testosterone, smaller penises, lower IQ - men have been feminised and slightly infantilised. Again all known phenomena. Then there’s the lack of places to have sex for a generation stuck with their parents who can’t afford a house, and who earn lower incomes so they can’t even afford to take women out

    It’s a toxic mix for society as a whole not just men. The result is much less sex and far fewer babies

    Perhaps I should have put a "This is an ironic continuation of the previous post" in my reply. I am aware of much of your theory and agree with most of it.
    Fair enough, it didn’t sound ironic, but if you say so

    I don’t believe I am positing a theory, it’s all pretty much accepted
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,675

    Scott_xP said:

    The Tories should ditch Richi. Today.

    If his appearance on TV this morning is anything to go by, having him front an election campaign is going to cost them even more seats...

    Nonsense. He will go all the way.
    Yes, he will.

    That's the problem.

    That's why they should ditch him.

    Today, if not sooner...
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,006
    biggles said:

    viewcode said:

    Share of men under 30 who admit to having zero sex partners since they turned 18: 27%

    The curve is interesting

    https://nitter.poast.org/SMTuffy/status/1783781813950845313#m

    My God, we need to get these people laid or the country itself will be screwed.

    I have the solution. A massive government investment in pubs and discounted booze, and the internet to be switched off between 7pm and 5am.
    It won't happen, because the women are holding out for their perfect man, who doesn't exist.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,872
    viewcode said:

    biggles said:

    viewcode said:

    Share of men under 30 who admit to having zero sex partners since they turned 18: 27%

    The curve is interesting

    https://nitter.poast.org/SMTuffy/status/1783781813950845313#m

    My God, we need to get these people laid or the country itself will be screwed.

    I have the solution. A massive government investment in pubs and discounted booze, and the internet to be switched off between 7pm and 5am.
    It's not booze. There are few people as unattractive and frankly incapable as drunken twentysomethings, plus there are consent issues. I think there should be compulsory national courses for twentysomethings in washing, combing ones hair, getting a better haircut, shaving regularly, moisturising, showering, and going to the gym. Plus shaving those stupid f***ing beards off.
    I couldn't agree with you more.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,646
    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    biggles said:

    viewcode said:

    Share of men under 30 who admit to having zero sex partners since they turned 18: 27%

    The curve is interesting

    https://nitter.poast.org/SMTuffy/status/1783781813950845313#m

    My God, we need to get these people laid or the country itself will be screwed.

    I have the solution. A massive government investment in pubs and discounted booze, and the internet to be switched off between 7pm and 5am.
    It's not booze. There are few people as unattractive and frankly incapable as drunken twentysomethings, plus there are consent issues. I think there should be compulsory national courses for twentysomethings in washing, combing ones hair, getting a better haircut, shaving regularly, moisturising, showering, and going to the gym. Plus shaving those stupid f***ing beards off.
    We’ve been through this. It’s got nothing to do with gym-going or “combing one’s hair”. FFS. This is the analysis of a dolt

    It’s the internet, specifically dating apps - plus access to infinite porn and the distractions of social media and video games

    The apps make it very hard for beta males (and lower) to get laid. The alphas get all the girls. This stuff has been analysed and it’s a known phenomenon. The porn and the distractions make this incel status less onerous (tho some still go mad, as we see from mass shootings in the USA)

    Add in to this a lowering of testosterone, smaller penises, lower IQ - men have been feminised and slightly infantilised. Again all known phenomena. Then there’s the lack of places to have sex for a generation stuck with their parents who can’t afford a house, and who earn lower incomes so they can’t even afford to take women out

    It’s a toxic mix for society as a whole not just men. The result is much less sex and far fewer babies

    Perhaps I should have put a "This is an ironic continuation of the previous post" in my reply. I am aware of much of your theory and agree with most of it.
    Fair enough, it didn’t sound ironic, but if you say so

    I don’t believe I am positing a theory, it’s all pretty much accepted
    "Thesis"? "Stance"? "Position and the set of facts that uphold it"? I am teetering on "weltanschauung" but that's too pretentious even for me.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,872
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    There's been a tweet....

    If you’ve spent any time at all on the left of politics, you’re familiar with the progressive male class warrior, usually middle-class himself, whose interest in women’s issues begins and ends with sex work, stripping and abortions. He might claim to be a feminist ally and mutter vaguely about ‘equality’ if the need arises, but when a genuine assault on women’s rights erupted under his nose, he cut left wing women adrift without a second thought. He expected us to be so blindly tribal that we’d surrender single sex spaces, jettison the very language we use to describe ourselves, give up fair sport, agree rapists should be locked up in women’s prisons and that lesbians are bigots for not wanting to sleep with the penis-ed, because (horrors!) some people on the right thought these things were wrong, too.....

    The truth is that the left has fucked up monumentally on gender identity ideology and until it owns the mistake, it will continue to hand the right valid talking points. As more and more PMCWs realise this, they’ll take shameless refuge in accusations that we, the women criticising the injustice and insanity of gender identity ideology, were enabling the far-right. The fact is that they’ve done exactly that, by refusing to accept that there was anything wrong with a movement that was causing serious harm to troubled young people, trampling all over women’s rights and seeking to remove single-sex services for the most vulnerable.


    https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1784586797525184794

    The left is dividing on this issue quite badly

    There is a Guardian interview with Billy Bragg today which teeters on the edge of calling him a fecking wanker (he is) because of the trans issue. Sly references to his really big house in Dorset and his “late night tweets”
    The tweet was in response to the Billy Bragg interview:

    This comment by @billybragg perfectly sums up what left wing women have taken from left wing men over the last few years. The problem isn’t whether Julie Bindel and I are correct on the issues, but that certain right-wingers agree with us.

    After reading the Cass review, Rowling tweeted this:

    Even if you don't feel ashamed of cheerleading for what now looks like severe medical malpractice, even if you don't want to accept that you might have been wrong, where's your sense of self-preservation? The bandwagon you hopped on so gladly is hurtling towards a cliff. .....

    The consequences of this scandal will play out for decades. You cheered it on. You did all you could to impede and misrepresent research. You tried to bully people out of their jobs for opposing you. Young people have been experimented on, left infertile and in pain.


    https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1778105810725322906

    Bragg appears to be finally working out that just possibly he wasn't on the right side of history.
    He is an obnoxious plonker
    I haven't liked him since 2002 when he wrote that stupid Tear Down the Union Jack song, which riled me something chronic. Then his stupid tactical voting stuff. And clips of him at rallies singing the Red Flag whilst punching the air to "as traitors sneer" which made him look a right bellend.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,872
    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Tories should ditch Richi. Today.

    If his appearance on TV this morning is anything to go by, having him front an election campaign is going to cost them even more seats...

    Nonsense. He will go all the way.
    Yes, he will.

    That's the problem.

    That's why they should ditch him.

    Today, if not sooner...
    With respect, why? Because it would amuse Brexit irreconcilables like you who actively want the Tories wiped out in vengeance?

    You'd simply then move on to the next leader.

    For you this is just a way you get your kicks.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,576
    Andy_JS said:

    biggles said:

    viewcode said:

    Share of men under 30 who admit to having zero sex partners since they turned 18: 27%

    The curve is interesting

    https://nitter.poast.org/SMTuffy/status/1783781813950845313#m

    My God, we need to get these people laid or the country itself will be screwed.

    I have the solution. A massive government investment in pubs and discounted booze, and the internet to be switched off between 7pm and 5am.
    It won't happen, because the women are holding out for their perfect man, who doesn't exist.
    Well, if men try to step up a bit more perhaps we will find out if women's standards are indeed too high.

    It does go against the cliche that women try to fix up and improve their mating partners though.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,468
    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    biggles said:

    viewcode said:

    Share of men under 30 who admit to having zero sex partners since they turned 18: 27%

    The curve is interesting

    https://nitter.poast.org/SMTuffy/status/1783781813950845313#m

    My God, we need to get these people laid or the country itself will be screwed.

    I have the solution. A massive government investment in pubs and discounted booze, and the internet to be switched off between 7pm and 5am.
    It's not booze. There are few people as unattractive and frankly incapable as drunken twentysomethings, plus there are consent issues. I think there should be compulsory national courses for twentysomethings in washing, combing ones hair, getting a better haircut, shaving regularly, moisturising, showering, and going to the gym. Plus shaving those stupid f***ing beards off.
    We’ve been through this. It’s got nothing to do with gym-going or “combing one’s hair”. FFS. This is the analysis of a dolt

    It’s the internet, specifically dating apps - plus access to infinite porn and the distractions of social media and video games

    The apps make it very hard for beta males (and lower) to get laid. The alphas get all the girls. This stuff has been analysed and it’s a known phenomenon. The porn and the distractions make this incel status less onerous (tho some still go mad, as we see from mass shootings in the USA)

    Add in to this a lowering of testosterone, smaller penises, lower IQ - men have been feminised and slightly infantilised. Again all known phenomena. Then there’s the lack of places to have sex for a generation stuck with their parents who can’t afford a house, and who earn lower incomes so they can’t even afford to take women out

    It’s a toxic mix for society as a whole not just men. The result is much less sex and far fewer babies

    The solution is clear - a points based immigration system rewarding those with higher testosterone levels and enlarged genitals (there's already provision for those in perceived higher IQ professions).

    ETA:

    Come to think of it, if most boat people are virile young men, sounds like just the ticket.
    I believe it was Borat who said we should "only let in the fit ones".
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,675

    With respect, why?

    Because he is an incompetent, arrogant, petulant, voter repellent.

    But hey, you are free to ride him all the way down...
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,001
    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Tories should ditch Richi. Today.

    If his appearance on TV this morning is anything to go by, having him front an election campaign is going to cost them even more seats...

    Nonsense. He will go all the way.
    Yes, he will.

    That's the problem.

    That's why they should ditch him.

    Today, if not sooner...
    There are very many things that people shouldn't do, but do anyway.

    The harder question is- when did the Conservatives last have a realistic choice to avoid the zugzwang they are now in?

    Clearly BoJo never coming to prominence would have helped, but that was probably unavoidable. And once he does, he purges all the tall poppies, because of who he is. So his successors are weaklings and pinheads. Or possibly both.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,598
    Taz said:

    This may appeal to some on here: Sci-Fi scarecrows

    https://twitter.com/aneercs/status/1784535464059232359

    Saw this on twitter. Love the Cyberman
    I like the allusion in the first one to Tintin - based on the Véronique sounding missile I suspect.
  • DonkeysDonkeys Posts: 723
    Andy_JS said:

    biggles said:

    viewcode said:

    Share of men under 30 who admit to having zero sex partners since they turned 18: 27%

    The curve is interesting

    https://nitter.poast.org/SMTuffy/status/1783781813950845313#m

    My God, we need to get these people laid or the country itself will be screwed.

    I have the solution. A massive government investment in pubs and discounted booze, and the internet to be switched off between 7pm and 5am.
    It won't happen, because the women are holding out for their perfect man, who doesn't exist.
    Free sex on the NHS!

    But it's not because the women don't want them or they're holding out. Many of these men aren't interested.

    In the west (i.e. the west of the north) it's following what's been happening in the Far East and especially Japan for some time.

    This doesn't last forever. There will be a youth revolt within a decade. But it won't be anything like the revolt of 1965-75. It won't have the articulacy. But it will have the force and probably greater vision.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,325
    https://news.sky.com/story/ireland-pledging-emergency-legislation-to-send-asylum-seekers-back-to-the-uk-13124832

    No idea where this one will go, but because of the CTA it is an obvious wheeze for an asylum seeker to travel to RoI, rely on the logic that if the UK can't return people to France then RoI can't return people to the UK, claim and get asylum in RoI and (?) then rely on the CTA to get back to the UK if they want.

    I think we may hear more of this one.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,576

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    There's been a tweet....

    If you’ve spent any time at all on the left of politics, you’re familiar with the progressive male class warrior, usually middle-class himself, whose interest in women’s issues begins and ends with sex work, stripping and abortions. He might claim to be a feminist ally and mutter vaguely about ‘equality’ if the need arises, but when a genuine assault on women’s rights erupted under his nose, he cut left wing women adrift without a second thought. He expected us to be so blindly tribal that we’d surrender single sex spaces, jettison the very language we use to describe ourselves, give up fair sport, agree rapists should be locked up in women’s prisons and that lesbians are bigots for not wanting to sleep with the penis-ed, because (horrors!) some people on the right thought these things were wrong, too.....

    The truth is that the left has fucked up monumentally on gender identity ideology and until it owns the mistake, it will continue to hand the right valid talking points. As more and more PMCWs realise this, they’ll take shameless refuge in accusations that we, the women criticising the injustice and insanity of gender identity ideology, were enabling the far-right. The fact is that they’ve done exactly that, by refusing to accept that there was anything wrong with a movement that was causing serious harm to troubled young people, trampling all over women’s rights and seeking to remove single-sex services for the most vulnerable.


    https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1784586797525184794

    The left is dividing on this issue quite badly

    There is a Guardian interview with Billy Bragg today which teeters on the edge of calling him a fecking wanker (he is) because of the trans issue. Sly references to his really big house in Dorset and his “late night tweets”
    The tweet was in response to the Billy Bragg interview:

    This comment by @billybragg perfectly sums up what left wing women have taken from left wing men over the last few years. The problem isn’t whether Julie Bindel and I are correct on the issues, but that certain right-wingers agree with us.

    After reading the Cass review, Rowling tweeted this:

    Even if you don't feel ashamed of cheerleading for what now looks like severe medical malpractice, even if you don't want to accept that you might have been wrong, where's your sense of self-preservation? The bandwagon you hopped on so gladly is hurtling towards a cliff. .....

    The consequences of this scandal will play out for decades. You cheered it on. You did all you could to impede and misrepresent research. You tried to bully people out of their jobs for opposing you. Young people have been experimented on, left infertile and in pain.


    https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1778105810725322906

    Bragg appears to be finally working out that just possibly he wasn't on the right side of history.
    He is an obnoxious plonker
    And clips of him at rallies singing the Red Flag whilst punching the air to "as traitors sneer" which made him look a right bellend.
    Not an uncommon result from attending a political rally singing any song I should think, let alone one that overwrought.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,872
    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    biggles said:

    viewcode said:

    Share of men under 30 who admit to having zero sex partners since they turned 18: 27%

    The curve is interesting

    https://nitter.poast.org/SMTuffy/status/1783781813950845313#m

    My God, we need to get these people laid or the country itself will be screwed.

    I have the solution. A massive government investment in pubs and discounted booze, and the internet to be switched off between 7pm and 5am.
    It's not booze. There are few people as unattractive and frankly incapable as drunken twentysomethings, plus there are consent issues. I think there should be compulsory national courses for twentysomethings in washing, combing ones hair, getting a better haircut, shaving regularly, moisturising, showering, and going to the gym. Plus shaving those stupid f***ing beards off.
    We’ve been through this. It’s got nothing to do with gym-going or “combing one’s hair”. FFS. This is the analysis of a dolt

    It’s the internet, specifically dating apps - plus access to infinite porn and the distractions of social media and video games

    The apps make it very hard for beta males (and lower) to get laid. The alphas get all the girls. This stuff has been analysed and it’s a known phenomenon. The porn and the distractions make this incel status less onerous (tho some still go mad, as we see from mass shootings in the USA)

    Add in to this a lowering of testosterone, smaller penises, lower IQ - men have been feminised and slightly infantilised. Again all known phenomena. Then there’s the lack of places to have sex for a generation stuck with their parents who can’t afford a house, and who earn lower incomes so they can’t even afford to take women out

    It’s a toxic mix for society as a whole not just men. The result is much less sex and far fewer babies

    It's essentially because there is less physical and social interaction between young men and women - and that's how you learn.

    You also learn from role models and getting hints and tips from the more successful in being self-confident and recognising that to some extent it's a numbers game.

    You will never learn much through official channels because they'll always feel the need to moralise and lecture, to cover their own risk if nothing else.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,356
    edited April 28
    viewcode said:

    biggles said:

    viewcode said:

    Share of men under 30 who admit to having zero sex partners since they turned 18: 27%

    The curve is interesting

    https://nitter.poast.org/SMTuffy/status/1783781813950845313#m

    My God, we need to get these people laid or the country itself will be screwed.

    I have the solution. A massive government investment in pubs and discounted booze, and the internet to be switched off between 7pm and 5am.
    It's not booze. There are few people as unattractive and frankly incapable as drunken twentysomethings, plus there are consent issues. I think there should be compulsory national courses for twentysomethings in washing, combing ones hair, getting a better haircut, shaving regularly, moisturising, showering, and going to the gym. Plus shaving those stupid f***ing beards off.
    Both my boys have beards and lovely long term girlfriends. Neither has well paid jobs, but they are kind, good listeners do the cooking and housework and fun to be around. Neither is particularly classically good looking, though not ugly. Each met their girl via Hinge.

    It's less marked in Britain, but in America there is a major difference between young men and young women over politics, and the divide is increasing:

    https://changeresearch.com/post/young-women-are-more-liberal-than-young-men/

    Party politics is not everything, but increasingly it is about cultural and social issues rather than economic ones. These matter, so why would a young woman want to date a gun-toting anti-abortion climate change denier?. Their interests and aspirations are just too far apart, particularly for the College educated

    So, it's not just a matter of brushing up on grooming, but also a brushing up of attitudes that's needed. This is an international phenomenon, with South Korea the most extreme example.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,557
    Kir Breton

    Somewhere in this photo is a UNESCO World Heritage Site


  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,576

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    biggles said:

    viewcode said:

    Share of men under 30 who admit to having zero sex partners since they turned 18: 27%

    The curve is interesting

    https://nitter.poast.org/SMTuffy/status/1783781813950845313#m

    My God, we need to get these people laid or the country itself will be screwed.

    I have the solution. A massive government investment in pubs and discounted booze, and the internet to be switched off between 7pm and 5am.
    It's not booze. There are few people as unattractive and frankly incapable as drunken twentysomethings, plus there are consent issues. I think there should be compulsory national courses for twentysomethings in washing, combing ones hair, getting a better haircut, shaving regularly, moisturising, showering, and going to the gym. Plus shaving those stupid f***ing beards off.
    We’ve been through this. It’s got nothing to do with gym-going or “combing one’s hair”. FFS. This is the analysis of a dolt

    It’s the internet, specifically dating apps - plus access to infinite porn and the distractions of social media and video games

    The apps make it very hard for beta males (and lower) to get laid. The alphas get all the girls. This stuff has been analysed and it’s a known phenomenon. The porn and the distractions make this incel status less onerous (tho some still go mad, as we see from mass shootings in the USA)

    Add in to this a lowering of testosterone, smaller penises, lower IQ - men have been feminised and slightly infantilised. Again all known phenomena. Then there’s the lack of places to have sex for a generation stuck with their parents who can’t afford a house, and who earn lower incomes so they can’t even afford to take women out

    It’s a toxic mix for society as a whole not just men. The result is much less sex and far fewer babies

    It's essentially because there is less physical and social interaction between young men and women - and that's how you learn.
    It pretty much must be this, since people will have kids in some of the most horrific of circumstances or difficult of situations, so just having more opportunities to physically be in the same places is all you need!
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,675

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Tories should ditch Richi. Today.

    If his appearance on TV this morning is anything to go by, having him front an election campaign is going to cost them even more seats...

    Nonsense. He will go all the way.
    Yes, he will.

    That's the problem.

    That's why they should ditch him.

    Today, if not sooner...
    There are very many things that people shouldn't do, but do anyway.

    The harder question is- when did the Conservatives last have a realistic choice to avoid the zugzwang they are now in?

    Clearly BoJo never coming to prominence would have helped, but that was probably unavoidable. And once he does, he purges all the tall poppies, because of who he is. So his successors are weaklings and pinheads. Or possibly both.
    Yes, BoZo culled anyone who might be a threat, but even though the current Tory benches are not overstuffed with people more talented than Richi, I reckon they can find at least one that is less unpleasant, less obnoxious and objectionable to voters...

    The SNP have a similar problem. Yousless needs to be defenestrated, but it seems like they at least have the wit and skill to do the deed, unlike their Southern counterparts.

    The modern Tory party, worse than the SNP...
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,751
    viewcode said:

    biggles said:

    viewcode said:

    Share of men under 30 who admit to having zero sex partners since they turned 18: 27%

    The curve is interesting

    https://nitter.poast.org/SMTuffy/status/1783781813950845313#m

    My God, we need to get these people laid or the country itself will be screwed.

    I have the solution. A massive government investment in pubs and discounted booze, and the internet to be switched off between 7pm and 5am.
    It's not booze. There are few people as unattractive and frankly incapable as drunken twentysomethings, plus there are consent issues. I think there should be compulsory national courses for twentysomethings in washing, combing ones hair, getting a better haircut, shaving regularly, moisturising, showering, and going to the gym. Plus shaving those stupid f***ing beards off.
    And that’s just the laydeez..
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,576

    viewcode said:

    biggles said:

    viewcode said:

    Share of men under 30 who admit to having zero sex partners since they turned 18: 27%

    The curve is interesting

    https://nitter.poast.org/SMTuffy/status/1783781813950845313#m

    My God, we need to get these people laid or the country itself will be screwed.

    I have the solution. A massive government investment in pubs and discounted booze, and the internet to be switched off between 7pm and 5am.
    It's not booze. There are few people as unattractive and frankly incapable as drunken twentysomethings, plus there are consent issues. I think there should be compulsory national courses for twentysomethings in washing, combing ones hair, getting a better haircut, shaving regularly, moisturising, showering, and going to the gym. Plus shaving those stupid f***ing beards off.
    And that’s just the laydeez..
    It's a complex spectrum theseday of course.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,675
    @AdamBienkov

    Rishi Sunak getting very ratty with Trevor Phillips on Sky News when asked when he'll call a general election and why he's so badly tanked in all the polls

    @hugorifkind

    It's weird how accustomed to this sort of thing we are. Sunak's exasperation here comes from a flat presumption that other people have simply no right to know when there's going to be an election or a tax rise and it's inherently petty and annoying of them to want to find out.


    He's a dud. Get rid.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,598
    Leon said:

    Kir Breton

    Somewhere in this photo is a UNESCO World Heritage Site


    Dockyard matey ambience, but focus is out - either you or the camera has had a drink or two?

    Le Havre?
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,652
    Scott_xP said:

    The Tories should ditch Richi. Today.

    If his appearance on TV this morning is anything to go by, having him front an election campaign is going to cost them even more seats...

    Hardly surprising that you would say that. You have been predictable for at least the last 9 yrs.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,598
    edited April 28

    viewcode said:

    biggles said:

    viewcode said:

    Share of men under 30 who admit to having zero sex partners since they turned 18: 27%

    The curve is interesting

    https://nitter.poast.org/SMTuffy/status/1783781813950845313#m

    My God, we need to get these people laid or the country itself will be screwed.

    I have the solution. A massive government investment in pubs and discounted booze, and the internet to be switched off between 7pm and 5am.
    It's not booze. There are few people as unattractive and frankly incapable as drunken twentysomethings, plus there are consent issues. I think there should be compulsory national courses for twentysomethings in washing, combing ones hair, getting a better haircut, shaving regularly, moisturising, showering, and going to the gym. Plus shaving those stupid f***ing beards off.
    And that’s just the laydeez..
    Can you blame them? Imagine if Mr Rees-Mogg told *you* that the national benefit required you to have a Brazilian wax.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,675

    Scott_xP said:

    The Tories should ditch Richi. Today.

    If his appearance on TV this morning is anything to go by, having him front an election campaign is going to cost them even more seats...

    Hardly surprising that you would say that.
    I am not wrong, and you know it.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 5,843
    Donkeys said:

    Andy_JS said:

    biggles said:

    viewcode said:

    Share of men under 30 who admit to having zero sex partners since they turned 18: 27%

    The curve is interesting

    https://nitter.poast.org/SMTuffy/status/1783781813950845313#m

    My God, we need to get these people laid or the country itself will be screwed.

    I have the solution. A massive government investment in pubs and discounted booze, and the internet to be switched off between 7pm and 5am.
    It won't happen, because the women are holding out for their perfect man, who doesn't exist.
    Free sex on the NHS!

    But it's not because the women don't want them or they're holding out. Many of these men aren't interested.

    In the west (i.e. the west of the north) it's following what's been happening in the Far East and especially Japan for some time.

    This doesn't last forever. There will be a youth revolt within a decade. But it won't be anything like the revolt of 1965-75. It won't have the articulacy. But it will have the force and probably greater vision.
    I do occasionally wonder if, before I die, I will live to see a testosterone fuelled backlash against a lot of modern orthodoxies. A new lad culture.
  • DonkeysDonkeys Posts: 723
    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    biggles said:

    viewcode said:

    Share of men under 30 who admit to having zero sex partners since they turned 18: 27%

    The curve is interesting

    https://nitter.poast.org/SMTuffy/status/1783781813950845313#m

    My God, we need to get these people laid or the country itself will be screwed.

    I have the solution. A massive government investment in pubs and discounted booze, and the internet to be switched off between 7pm and 5am.
    It's not booze. There are few people as unattractive and frankly incapable as drunken twentysomethings, plus there are consent issues. I think there should be compulsory national courses for twentysomethings in washing, combing ones hair, getting a better haircut, shaving regularly, moisturising, showering, and going to the gym. Plus shaving those stupid f***ing beards off.
    We’ve been through this. It’s got nothing to do with gym-going or “combing one’s hair”. FFS. This is the analysis of a dolt

    It’s the internet, specifically dating apps - plus access to infinite porn and the distractions of social media and video games

    The apps make it very hard for beta males (and lower) to get laid. The alphas get all the girls. This stuff has been analysed and it’s a known phenomenon. The porn and the distractions make this incel status less onerous (tho some still go mad, as we see from mass shootings in the USA)

    Add in to this a lowering of testosterone, smaller penises, lower IQ - men have been feminised and slightly infantilised. Again all known phenomena. Then there’s the lack of places to have sex for a generation stuck with their parents who can’t afford a house, and who earn lower incomes so they can’t even afford to take women out

    It’s a toxic mix for society as a whole not just men. The result is much less sex and far fewer babies

    Perhaps I should have put a "This is an ironic continuation of the previous post" in my reply. I am aware of much of your theory and agree with most of it.
    Fair enough, it didn’t sound ironic, but if you say so

    I don’t believe I am positing a theory, it’s all pretty much accepted
    At the moment some of it isn't incel but more volcel. "We are the last generation".

    There are some hikikomori who aren't into videogames. Many are quite brave although they don't know it. Fascinating scene.

    There will be a revolt. It won't be especially political or campaigny or have charismatic spokesmen. Doubtless it will have a sexual side but it will be much more profound than a Freudian return of the repressed. Its epicentre will be in Asia.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,225

    Leon said:

    There's been a tweet....

    If you’ve spent any time at all on the left of politics, you’re familiar with the progressive male class warrior, usually middle-class himself, whose interest in women’s issues begins and ends with sex work, stripping and abortions. He might claim to be a feminist ally and mutter vaguely about ‘equality’ if the need arises, but when a genuine assault on women’s rights erupted under his nose, he cut left wing women adrift without a second thought. He expected us to be so blindly tribal that we’d surrender single sex spaces, jettison the very language we use to describe ourselves, give up fair sport, agree rapists should be locked up in women’s prisons and that lesbians are bigots for not wanting to sleep with the penis-ed, because (horrors!) some people on the right thought these things were wrong, too.....

    The truth is that the left has fucked up monumentally on gender identity ideology and until it owns the mistake, it will continue to hand the right valid talking points. As more and more PMCWs realise this, they’ll take shameless refuge in accusations that we, the women criticising the injustice and insanity of gender identity ideology, were enabling the far-right. The fact is that they’ve done exactly that, by refusing to accept that there was anything wrong with a movement that was causing serious harm to troubled young people, trampling all over women’s rights and seeking to remove single-sex services for the most vulnerable.


    https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1784586797525184794

    The left is dividing on this issue quite badly

    There is a Guardian interview with Billy Bragg today which teeters on the edge of calling him a fecking wanker (he is) because of the trans issue. Sly references to his really big house in Dorset and his “late night tweets”
    The tweet was in response to the Billy Bragg interview:

    This comment by @billybragg perfectly sums up what left wing women have taken from left wing men over the last few years. The problem isn’t whether Julie Bindel and I are correct on the issues, but that certain right-wingers agree with us.

    After reading the Cass review, Rowling tweeted this:

    Even if you don't feel ashamed of cheerleading for what now looks like severe medical malpractice, even if you don't want to accept that you might have been wrong, where's your sense of self-preservation? The bandwagon you hopped on so gladly is hurtling towards a cliff. .....

    The consequences of this scandal will play out for decades. You cheered it on. You did all you could to impede and misrepresent research. You tried to bully people out of their jobs for opposing you. Young people have been experimented on, left infertile and in pain.


    https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1778105810725322906

    Bragg appears to be finally working out that just possibly he wasn't on the right side of history.
    The journalist in question seems very keen to insert their own opinions into that article.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,779
    Before we start going down the road of getting 20 somethings to do compulsory national service or attending @viewcode's finishing school for young gentlemen back to the business in hands.

    Are we going to see a tale of two sets of Tories on Thursday next? Those who can successfully play on their local record as councillors or Mayors and can disassociate themselves from the national party may insulate themselves to an extent from the national mood. This is perhaps why we are seeing so many Council candidates standing as "Local Conservatives".

    Those who can;t may well be on the wrong end of a bad night - it could well be a very mixed bag for the governing party with some high-profile mayoral candidates doing quite well but other candidates and councillors and PCC candidates taking a beating. The issue then is whether incumbency for a local Conservative Mayor can in any way be translated as incumbency for a local MP.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,576
    biggles said:

    Donkeys said:

    Andy_JS said:

    biggles said:

    viewcode said:

    Share of men under 30 who admit to having zero sex partners since they turned 18: 27%

    The curve is interesting

    https://nitter.poast.org/SMTuffy/status/1783781813950845313#m

    My God, we need to get these people laid or the country itself will be screwed.

    I have the solution. A massive government investment in pubs and discounted booze, and the internet to be switched off between 7pm and 5am.
    It won't happen, because the women are holding out for their perfect man, who doesn't exist.
    Free sex on the NHS!

    But it's not because the women don't want them or they're holding out. Many of these men aren't interested.

    In the west (i.e. the west of the north) it's following what's been happening in the Far East and especially Japan for some time.

    This doesn't last forever. There will be a youth revolt within a decade. But it won't be anything like the revolt of 1965-75. It won't have the articulacy. But it will have the force and probably greater vision.
    I do occasionally wonder if, before I die, I will live to see a testosterone fuelled backlash against a lot of modern orthodoxies. A new lad culture.
    I think you will, there's already a low level pushback on some things.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,557
    Foxy said:

    viewcode said:

    biggles said:

    viewcode said:

    Share of men under 30 who admit to having zero sex partners since they turned 18: 27%

    The curve is interesting

    https://nitter.poast.org/SMTuffy/status/1783781813950845313#m

    My God, we need to get these people laid or the country itself will be screwed.

    I have the solution. A massive government investment in pubs and discounted booze, and the internet to be switched off between 7pm and 5am.
    It's not booze. There are few people as unattractive and frankly incapable as drunken twentysomethings, plus there are consent issues. I think there should be compulsory national courses for twentysomethings in washing, combing ones hair, getting a better haircut, shaving regularly, moisturising, showering, and going to the gym. Plus shaving those stupid f***ing beards off.
    Both my boys have beards and lovely long term girlfriends. Neither has well paid jobs, but they are kind, good listeners do the cooking and housework and fun to be around. Neither is particularly classically good looking, though not ugly. Each met their girl via Hinge.

    It's less marked in Britain, but in America there is a major difference between young men and young women over politics, and the divide is increasing:

    https://changeresearch.com/post/young-women-are-more-liberal-than-young-men/

    Party politics is not everything, but increasingly it is about cultural and social issues rather than economic ones. These matter, so why would a young woman want to date a gun-toting anti-abortion climate change denier?. Their interests and aspirations are just too far apart, particularly for the College educated

    So, it's not just a matter of brushing up on grooming, but also a brushing up of attitudes that's needed. This is an international phenomenon, with South Korea the most extreme example.
    So the men all have to be left wing as well, to please the left wing women?

    Why don’t the stupid left wing women veer right, to get the men?

    Or have you considered the possibility that the politics ARISE from the way western society seems to favour women, hugely - and it does. And I speak as the father of two daughters. They massively benefit from structural sexism
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,652
    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Tories should ditch Richi. Today.

    If his appearance on TV this morning is anything to go by, having him front an election campaign is going to cost them even more seats...

    Hardly surprising that you would say that.
    I am not wrong, and you know it.
    I was making the point about your constant predictability.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,779
    Scott_xP said:

    @AdamBienkov

    Rishi Sunak getting very ratty with Trevor Phillips on Sky News when asked when he'll call a general election and why he's so badly tanked in all the polls

    @hugorifkind

    It's weird how accustomed to this sort of thing we are. Sunak's exasperation here comes from a flat presumption that other people have simply no right to know when there's going to be an election or a tax rise and it's inherently petty and annoying of them to want to find out.


    He's a dud. Get rid.

    There's also the small bit of "sticking to the plan" which gets wheeled out every time. The slightest criticism of the Plan or the notion it isn't going as well as the Prime Minister suggests is met with the same exasperation - that comes from years of being in power and the sense it has become almost a divine right. It's a default position for governing parties who have been in power for long periods.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,598
    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2024/apr/28/headteachers-schools-england-caretakers-budget-cuts

    Specially for @dixiedean . School heads increasingly shifting the shite, not just metaphorically.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 5,843
    stodge said:

    Before we start going down the road of getting 20 somethings to do compulsory national service or attending @viewcode's finishing school for young gentlemen back to the business in hands.

    Are we going to see a tale of two sets of Tories on Thursday next? Those who can successfully play on their local record as councillors or Mayors and can disassociate themselves from the national party may insulate themselves to an extent from the national mood. This is perhaps why we are seeing so many Council candidates standing as "Local Conservatives".

    Those who can;t may well be on the wrong end of a bad night - it could well be a very mixed bag for the governing party with some high-profile mayoral candidates doing quite well but other candidates and councillors and PCC candidates taking a beating. The issue then is whether incumbency for a local Conservative Mayor can in any way be translated as incumbency for a local MP.

    I think the thread head is right, and I do think that a lot of journalists are dying to write up a “come back” narrative, and half an excuse will be used.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,557
    Donkeys said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    biggles said:

    viewcode said:

    Share of men under 30 who admit to having zero sex partners since they turned 18: 27%

    The curve is interesting

    https://nitter.poast.org/SMTuffy/status/1783781813950845313#m

    My God, we need to get these people laid or the country itself will be screwed.

    I have the solution. A massive government investment in pubs and discounted booze, and the internet to be switched off between 7pm and 5am.
    It's not booze. There are few people as unattractive and frankly incapable as drunken twentysomethings, plus there are consent issues. I think there should be compulsory national courses for twentysomethings in washing, combing ones hair, getting a better haircut, shaving regularly, moisturising, showering, and going to the gym. Plus shaving those stupid f***ing beards off.
    We’ve been through this. It’s got nothing to do with gym-going or “combing one’s hair”. FFS. This is the analysis of a dolt

    It’s the internet, specifically dating apps - plus access to infinite porn and the distractions of social media and video games

    The apps make it very hard for beta males (and lower) to get laid. The alphas get all the girls. This stuff has been analysed and it’s a known phenomenon. The porn and the distractions make this incel status less onerous (tho some still go mad, as we see from mass shootings in the USA)

    Add in to this a lowering of testosterone, smaller penises, lower IQ - men have been feminised and slightly infantilised. Again all known phenomena. Then there’s the lack of places to have sex for a generation stuck with their parents who can’t afford a house, and who earn lower incomes so they can’t even afford to take women out

    It’s a toxic mix for society as a whole not just men. The result is much less sex and far fewer babies

    Perhaps I should have put a "This is an ironic continuation of the previous post" in my reply. I am aware of much of your theory and agree with most of it.
    Fair enough, it didn’t sound ironic, but if you say so

    I don’t believe I am positing a theory, it’s all pretty much accepted
    At the moment some of it isn't incel but more volcel. "We are the last generation".

    There are some hikikomori who aren't into videogames. Many are quite brave although they don't know it. Fascinating scene.

    There will be a revolt. It won't be especially political or campaigny or have charismatic spokesmen. Doubtless it will have a sexual side but it will be much more profound than a Freudian return of the repressed. Its epicentre will be in Asia.
    Yes, possibly

    Can you tell me the rest of the artistic history of the poet’s ruined manor, and Andre Breton, and the megaliths of Cornouaille?

    I mean, I am now able to google the rest of it, but you’d save me 30 minutes searching
  • DonkeysDonkeys Posts: 723
    Leon said:

    Donkeys said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    biggles said:

    viewcode said:

    Share of men under 30 who admit to having zero sex partners since they turned 18: 27%

    The curve is interesting

    https://nitter.poast.org/SMTuffy/status/1783781813950845313#m

    My God, we need to get these people laid or the country itself will be screwed.

    I have the solution. A massive government investment in pubs and discounted booze, and the internet to be switched off between 7pm and 5am.
    It's not booze. There are few people as unattractive and frankly incapable as drunken twentysomethings, plus there are consent issues. I think there should be compulsory national courses for twentysomethings in washing, combing ones hair, getting a better haircut, shaving regularly, moisturising, showering, and going to the gym. Plus shaving those stupid f***ing beards off.
    We’ve been through this. It’s got nothing to do with gym-going or “combing one’s hair”. FFS. This is the analysis of a dolt

    It’s the internet, specifically dating apps - plus access to infinite porn and the distractions of social media and video games

    The apps make it very hard for beta males (and lower) to get laid. The alphas get all the girls. This stuff has been analysed and it’s a known phenomenon. The porn and the distractions make this incel status less onerous (tho some still go mad, as we see from mass shootings in the USA)

    Add in to this a lowering of testosterone, smaller penises, lower IQ - men have been feminised and slightly infantilised. Again all known phenomena. Then there’s the lack of places to have sex for a generation stuck with their parents who can’t afford a house, and who earn lower incomes so they can’t even afford to take women out

    It’s a toxic mix for society as a whole not just men. The result is much less sex and far fewer babies

    Perhaps I should have put a "This is an ironic continuation of the previous post" in my reply. I am aware of much of your theory and agree with most of it.
    Fair enough, it didn’t sound ironic, but if you say so

    I don’t believe I am positing a theory, it’s all pretty much accepted
    At the moment some of it isn't incel but more volcel. "We are the last generation".

    There are some hikikomori who aren't into videogames. Many are quite brave although they don't know it. Fascinating scene.

    There will be a revolt. It won't be especially political or campaigny or have charismatic spokesmen. Doubtless it will have a sexual side but it will be much more profound than a Freudian return of the repressed. Its epicentre will be in Asia.
    Yes, possibly

    Can you tell me the rest of the artistic history of the poet’s ruined manor, and Andre Breton, and the megaliths of Cornouaille?

    I mean, I am now able to google the rest of it, but you’d save me 30 minutes searching
    I will DM you.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,557
    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Kir Breton

    Somewhere in this photo is a UNESCO World Heritage Site


    Dockyard matey ambience, but focus is out - either you or the camera has had a drink or two?

    Le Havre?
    It’s an absurdly hard test TBF unless you know where I am (though that is guessable from my earlier remarks). Behind the glass but above the Kir Breton in my drink you can see the small blurred outline of one of the UNESCO listed towers of Vauban, this one is in Camaret sur Mer, on the Crozon peninsula, Brittany

    https://sites-vauban.org/en/sites-majeurs/camaret-sur-mer
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,660
    On topic, I think when people vote for mayors they want interesting personalities. That would seem to explain Livingstone winning as an independent, Boris winning in a Labour city, Burnham winning Manchester (though probably any Labour politician would win that one), Street in Birmingham and even Houchen in Teesside outperforming polls. Khan, seemingly the exception to this rule, has been blessed with two hopeless opponents, and likely a third.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,557
    Donkeys said:

    Leon said:

    Donkeys said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    biggles said:

    viewcode said:

    Share of men under 30 who admit to having zero sex partners since they turned 18: 27%

    The curve is interesting

    https://nitter.poast.org/SMTuffy/status/1783781813950845313#m

    My God, we need to get these people laid or the country itself will be screwed.

    I have the solution. A massive government investment in pubs and discounted booze, and the internet to be switched off between 7pm and 5am.
    It's not booze. There are few people as unattractive and frankly incapable as drunken twentysomethings, plus there are consent issues. I think there should be compulsory national courses for twentysomethings in washing, combing ones hair, getting a better haircut, shaving regularly, moisturising, showering, and going to the gym. Plus shaving those stupid f***ing beards off.
    We’ve been through this. It’s got nothing to do with gym-going or “combing one’s hair”. FFS. This is the analysis of a dolt

    It’s the internet, specifically dating apps - plus access to infinite porn and the distractions of social media and video games

    The apps make it very hard for beta males (and lower) to get laid. The alphas get all the girls. This stuff has been analysed and it’s a known phenomenon. The porn and the distractions make this incel status less onerous (tho some still go mad, as we see from mass shootings in the USA)

    Add in to this a lowering of testosterone, smaller penises, lower IQ - men have been feminised and slightly infantilised. Again all known phenomena. Then there’s the lack of places to have sex for a generation stuck with their parents who can’t afford a house, and who earn lower incomes so they can’t even afford to take women out

    It’s a toxic mix for society as a whole not just men. The result is much less sex and far fewer babies

    Perhaps I should have put a "This is an ironic continuation of the previous post" in my reply. I am aware of much of your theory and agree with most of it.
    Fair enough, it didn’t sound ironic, but if you say so

    I don’t believe I am positing a theory, it’s all pretty much accepted
    At the moment some of it isn't incel but more volcel. "We are the last generation".

    There are some hikikomori who aren't into videogames. Many are quite brave although they don't know it. Fascinating scene.

    There will be a revolt. It won't be especially political or campaigny or have charismatic spokesmen. Doubtless it will have a sexual side but it will be much more profound than a Freudian return of the repressed. Its epicentre will be in Asia.
    Yes, possibly

    Can you tell me the rest of the artistic history of the poet’s ruined manor, and Andre Breton, and the megaliths of Cornouaille?

    I mean, I am now able to google the rest of it, but you’d save me 30 minutes searching
    I will DM you.
    Merci
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,100

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Tories should ditch Richi. Today.

    If his appearance on TV this morning is anything to go by, having him front an election campaign is going to cost them even more seats...

    Nonsense. He will go all the way.
    Yes, he will.

    That's the problem.

    That's why they should ditch him.

    Today, if not sooner...
    With respect, why? Because it would amuse Brexit irreconcilables like you who actively want the Tories wiped out in vengeance?

    You'd simply then move on to the next leader.

    For you this is just a way you get your kicks.
    Scott is not a Tory. He despises the Tories. His advice is not well meant.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,356
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    viewcode said:

    biggles said:

    viewcode said:

    Share of men under 30 who admit to having zero sex partners since they turned 18: 27%

    The curve is interesting

    https://nitter.poast.org/SMTuffy/status/1783781813950845313#m

    My God, we need to get these people laid or the country itself will be screwed.

    I have the solution. A massive government investment in pubs and discounted booze, and the internet to be switched off between 7pm and 5am.
    It's not booze. There are few people as unattractive and frankly incapable as drunken twentysomethings, plus there are consent issues. I think there should be compulsory national courses for twentysomethings in washing, combing ones hair, getting a better haircut, shaving regularly, moisturising, showering, and going to the gym. Plus shaving those stupid f***ing beards off.
    Both my boys have beards and lovely long term girlfriends. Neither has well paid jobs, but they are kind, good listeners do the cooking and housework and fun to be around. Neither is particularly classically good looking, though not ugly. Each met their girl via Hinge.

    It's less marked in Britain, but in America there is a major difference between young men and young women over politics, and the divide is increasing:

    https://changeresearch.com/post/young-women-are-more-liberal-than-young-men/

    Party politics is not everything, but increasingly it is about cultural and social issues rather than economic ones. These matter, so why would a young woman want to date a gun-toting anti-abortion climate change denier?. Their interests and aspirations are just too far apart, particularly for the College educated

    So, it's not just a matter of brushing up on grooming, but also a brushing up of attitudes that's needed. This is an international phenomenon, with South Korea the most extreme example.
    So the men all have to be left wing as well, to please the left wing women?

    Why don’t the stupid left wing women veer right, to get the men?

    Or have you considered the possibility that the politics ARISE from the way western society seems to favour women, hugely - and it does. And I speak as the father of two daughters. They massively benefit from structural sexism
    You illustrate my point most excellently. Display those attitudes as a young man and don't expect to be dated. No one wants a whiney boyfriend complaining how life is so stacked in favour of girls.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,006

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    There's been a tweet....

    If you’ve spent any time at all on the left of politics, you’re familiar with the progressive male class warrior, usually middle-class himself, whose interest in women’s issues begins and ends with sex work, stripping and abortions. He might claim to be a feminist ally and mutter vaguely about ‘equality’ if the need arises, but when a genuine assault on women’s rights erupted under his nose, he cut left wing women adrift without a second thought. He expected us to be so blindly tribal that we’d surrender single sex spaces, jettison the very language we use to describe ourselves, give up fair sport, agree rapists should be locked up in women’s prisons and that lesbians are bigots for not wanting to sleep with the penis-ed, because (horrors!) some people on the right thought these things were wrong, too.....

    The truth is that the left has fucked up monumentally on gender identity ideology and until it owns the mistake, it will continue to hand the right valid talking points. As more and more PMCWs realise this, they’ll take shameless refuge in accusations that we, the women criticising the injustice and insanity of gender identity ideology, were enabling the far-right. The fact is that they’ve done exactly that, by refusing to accept that there was anything wrong with a movement that was causing serious harm to troubled young people, trampling all over women’s rights and seeking to remove single-sex services for the most vulnerable.


    https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1784586797525184794

    The left is dividing on this issue quite badly

    There is a Guardian interview with Billy Bragg today which teeters on the edge of calling him a fecking wanker (he is) because of the trans issue. Sly references to his really big house in Dorset and his “late night tweets”
    The tweet was in response to the Billy Bragg interview:

    This comment by @billybragg perfectly sums up what left wing women have taken from left wing men over the last few years. The problem isn’t whether Julie Bindel and I are correct on the issues, but that certain right-wingers agree with us.

    After reading the Cass review, Rowling tweeted this:

    Even if you don't feel ashamed of cheerleading for what now looks like severe medical malpractice, even if you don't want to accept that you might have been wrong, where's your sense of self-preservation? The bandwagon you hopped on so gladly is hurtling towards a cliff. .....

    The consequences of this scandal will play out for decades. You cheered it on. You did all you could to impede and misrepresent research. You tried to bully people out of their jobs for opposing you. Young people have been experimented on, left infertile and in pain.


    https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1778105810725322906

    Bragg appears to be finally working out that just possibly he wasn't on the right side of history.
    He is an obnoxious plonker
    I haven't liked him since 2002 when he wrote that stupid Tear Down the Union Jack song, which riled me something chronic. Then his stupid tactical voting stuff. And clips of him at rallies singing the Red Flag whilst punching the air to "as traitors sneer" which made him look a right bellend.
    A shame, because A New England and Sexuality are great pop songs.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,598
    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Kir Breton

    Somewhere in this photo is a UNESCO World Heritage Site


    Dockyard matey ambience, but focus is out - either you or the camera has had a drink or two?

    Le Havre?
    It’s an absurdly hard test TBF unless you know where I am (though that is guessable from my earlier remarks). Behind the glass but above the Kir Breton in my drink you can see the small blurred outline of one of the UNESCO listed towers of Vauban, this one is in Camaret sur Mer, on the Crozon peninsula, Brittany

    https://sites-vauban.org/en/sites-majeurs/camaret-sur-mer
    Oh, that's a nice one - looks a treat on a level with Pendennis Castle.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,675
    Sunak will face a vote on his future if 52 Tory MPs submit letters of no confidence. Whips are confident that the numbers are nowhere near that figure at present but Tory rebels believe that the local election results could lead to a surge in MPs coming forward. They think a confidence vote is likely if the Tories lose both Andy Street, the mayor of the West Midlands, and Ben Houchen, the Teesside mayor.

    One rebel Tory MP said: “My concern is that we don’t have a significant response to Reform. We have a leader who is ill-suited to appealing to voters in the Red Wall. He is seen as an out of touch multi-millionaire who doesn’t share their instincts. If we lose Tees Valley it will be beyond diabolical.”


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tory-rebels-plan-save-britain-dan-poulter-labour-kgwq7vwm3
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,006
    edited April 28

    PB at its finest "Kids today are a bunch of poofs" barminess.
    Any perceived failings of young people (never our own, our kids are perfect) is all our fault. The kids are the ones having to deal with our screw ups. We voted the previous governments in. We spent all the money from our housing bubble. We're knackering the environent, we're the ones feeding them crap that makes them obese and mentally ill. We're the ones dumping hormones into the food chain. We're the ones inventing technology that makes what few skills we've passed on obsolete.
    We should be the ones apologising, not blaming the poor feckers!

    The reason they can't afford property is because the population has risen so much over the last 25 years, and most of them support the policies that have led to that situation.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,779
    Scott_xP said:

    Sunak will face a vote on his future if 52 Tory MPs submit letters of no confidence. Whips are confident that the numbers are nowhere near that figure at present but Tory rebels believe that the local election results could lead to a surge in MPs coming forward. They think a confidence vote is likely if the Tories lose both Andy Street, the mayor of the West Midlands, and Ben Houchen, the Teesside mayor.

    One rebel Tory MP said: “My concern is that we don’t have a significant response to Reform. We have a leader who is ill-suited to appealing to voters in the Red Wall. He is seen as an out of touch multi-millionaire who doesn’t share their instincts. If we lose Tees Valley it will be beyond diabolical.”


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tory-rebels-plan-save-britain-dan-poulter-labour-kgwq7vwm3

    Perhaps and I'm slightly sceptical of the noises coming from Tees Valley. Houchen won 73-27 in 2021 so the fact Labour is even competitive is interesting - a 20% swing would still see Houchen home. To lose Houchen would indeed suggest all was far from well in the Conservative camp.

    As for Street, it's very close - 54/46 in 2021 so you'd think Labour should be in with a big chance. The fact it's so close speaks volumes as to Street's performance as mayor.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,494
    biggles said:

    viewcode said:

    biggles said:

    viewcode said:

    Share of men under 30 who admit to having zero sex partners since they turned 18: 27%

    The curve is interesting

    https://nitter.poast.org/SMTuffy/status/1783781813950845313#m

    My God, we need to get these people laid or the country itself will be screwed.

    I have the solution. A massive government investment in pubs and discounted booze, and the internet to be switched off between 7pm and 5am.
    It's not booze. There are few people as unattractive and frankly incapable as drunken twentysomethings, plus there are consent issues. I think there should be compulsory national courses for twentysomethings in washing, combing ones hair, getting a better haircut, shaving regularly, moisturising, showering, and going to the gym. Plus shaving those stupid f***ing beards off.
    Yes that seems right. Also they need to be told that anyone who does their top button up without a tie, or wears shoes with no socks, will not attract women.
    Did you guys enjoy your 90th birthdays? You sound more old-fashioned than my late grandfather...
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,497
    Andy_JS said:

    PB at its finest "Kids today are a bunch of poofs" barminess.
    Any perceived failings of young people (never our own, our kids are perfect) is all our fault. The kids are the ones having to deal with our screw ups. We voted the previous governments in. We spent all the money from our housing bubble. We're knackering the environent, we're the ones feeding them crap that makes them obese and mentally ill. We're the ones dumping hormones into the food chain. We're the ones inventing technology that makes what few skills we've passed on obsolete.
    We should be the ones apologising, not blaming the poor feckers!

    The reason they can't afford property is because the population has risen so much over the last 25 years, and most of them support the policies that have led to that situation.
    I know its radical but we could actually build houses to match the size of the population. Crazy stuff, but I hear some other countries have magically managed this.
  • Andy_JS said:

    PB at its finest "Kids today are a bunch of poofs" barminess.
    Any perceived failings of young people (never our own, our kids are perfect) is all our fault. The kids are the ones having to deal with our screw ups. We voted the previous governments in. We spent all the money from our housing bubble. We're knackering the environent, we're the ones feeding them crap that makes them obese and mentally ill. We're the ones dumping hormones into the food chain. We're the ones inventing technology that makes what few skills we've passed on obsolete.
    We should be the ones apologising, not blaming the poor feckers!

    The reason they can't afford property is because the population has risen so much over the last 25 years, and most of them support the policies that have led to that situation.
    The cost of housing crisis is linked to many things, population being a small part of it.
    The house building cartel is a bigger villain than immigration.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,660
    stodge said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Sunak will face a vote on his future if 52 Tory MPs submit letters of no confidence. Whips are confident that the numbers are nowhere near that figure at present but Tory rebels believe that the local election results could lead to a surge in MPs coming forward. They think a confidence vote is likely if the Tories lose both Andy Street, the mayor of the West Midlands, and Ben Houchen, the Teesside mayor.

    One rebel Tory MP said: “My concern is that we don’t have a significant response to Reform. We have a leader who is ill-suited to appealing to voters in the Red Wall. He is seen as an out of touch multi-millionaire who doesn’t share their instincts. If we lose Tees Valley it will be beyond diabolical.”


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tory-rebels-plan-save-britain-dan-poulter-labour-kgwq7vwm3

    Perhaps and I'm slightly sceptical of the noises coming from Tees Valley. Houchen won 73-27 in 2021 so the fact Labour is even competitive is interesting - a 20% swing would still see Houchen home. To lose Houchen would indeed suggest all was far from well in the Conservative camp.

    As for Street, it's very close - 54/46 in 2021 so you'd think Labour should be in with a big chance. The fact it's so close speaks volumes as to Street's performance as mayor.
    Spoke to someone from the W Mids who will vote Lib Dem in the locals, Street for mayor and Labour in the GE. [#anecdata]
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,625
    Looks like a close finish in the NE Mayoral campaign between Lab and Mayor Jamie Driscoll

    Any odds available?

    https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1784509596532404419
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