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Leon said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Leon said:

StillWaters said:

Ratters said:

Leon said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

@Leon

I don't think poshness is changing. Of course, social kudos is always changing - girls want to be instafamous now, they don't all dream of being Lady Diana Spencer. However, I think poshness is at it ever was. And indeed, the young lady at the centre of swirling rumours concerning the Wales's marriage, has nothing going for her that Kate doesn't (I think she's less good looking), except that she is firmly of the horsey upper class. The comfort zone of posh is posh.

No, I’m sorry, that’s wrong

Poshness means literally zero if it can’t be exercised to effect in the socio-political world

Class still matters of course (esp in the UK) - but once you’ve learned to speak RP and learned how to use a knife and say scone (like “gone”) and how to do all the other tiny things that bespeak social elevation then it fades away entirely these days. And, btw, it takes about 12 weeks to learn the social codes of English poshness if you really insist on doing it

Beyond that, what does it mean? Nothing. If someone met me and said in the second sentence “by the way I’m the 13th Duke of Lancashire” I’d think 1. That’s mildly interesting and 2. This person is a fucking twat

So how does he announce that he is socially
and - more importantly - where does this alleged superiority get him with me? Nowhere. It is positively counter productive for the personal reasons I’ve delineated (I’ve done more than him and been more places than him and earned more from my own brain than him, for sure)

What, then, is his poshness? How does it matter?

To me it doesn’t. To my daughters maybe yes a tiny bit (for marriage) but they’d be far better off marrying a Silicon Valley tech bro and they’d also be more engaged by that

There! I have my gazette article

POSHNESS IS OVER

Thanks (also I do really believe this)

Is that not just a sign of the world in which there are far, far more rich Americans than there are rich, posh English? The newly rich from many countries may try to emulated 'posh', but Americans are far more brash with their wealth.

But for Brits, in practice there are still a significant number of well paid areas where
the upper echelons are for the posh.

The solution of course is to ignore those
areas and make money somewhere they
don't care about 'poshness'. The posh will
become increasingly diminished even within
the UK.

Poshness is just short hand for “someone who is broadly accepted to be in the top echelon of society”.

Every society is different - in the US it is money or philanthropy. I would argue that Lilly, Pritzker or Phipps families are far “posher” than Musk. But you’ve probably never heard of them…

In the UK it is lineage. The Beckhams are admired for what they have achieved as individuals. But no one has that much positive to say about the kids.

But it’s bollocks. Who can personally call Vlad Putin and expect an immediate reply? It’s not the 19th earl of Shropshire is it? Nor is it the Pritzkers

Its Musk

Outside major major political leaders he has greater actual power and higher social standing than any of them. And by a vast distance

The Habsburgs USED to have that. Now it is merely a quaint surname and a knowledge to leave the last waistcoat button, unbuttoned

Getting through to world leaders is about power, or maybe influence, not poshness.

We need a new word then

Because if poshness bestows little to zero social benefit on its owners then what is it? Maybe it becomes mere etiquette, and about as important. Not nothing, but not much either

ydoethur said:

StillWaters said:

ydoethur said:

StillWaters said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

StillWaters said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I think I am on a bit of a Shakespeare bender at the moment if you hadn't noticed.

Time for The Hollow Crown.

Is that the one with Rebecca Ferguson?

No, this one.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/b07bqgjn/the-hollow-crown?seriesId=p00s90hz

You should watch this (and not just because it’s got Rebecca in it):

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2372220/mediaviewer/rm2803948800/?ft0=name&fv0=nm0272581&ft1=image_type&fv1=still_frame

You shouldn't watch this, because even though it has got Rebecca Ferguson snd Aneurin Barnard in it, it is in common with all adaptations of Philippa Gregory's work unutterably shit.

I disagree. The White Queen was a very enjoyable romp. It only had a tangential connection to history, but that doesn’t stop it being enjoying. Trying to keep track of all the characters gave my brain a work out.

(Margaret Beaufort is one of those enigmas)

The characters were badly written.

The dialogue was egregious.

The plotting was pathetic.

The sets were so badly prepared they were full of comical goofs.

The direction was inept.

The acting was indifferent.

Leon said:

StillWaters said:

Leon said:

StillWaters said:

Leon said:

StillWaters said:

Ratters said:

Leon said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

@Leon

I don't think poshness is changing. Of course, social kudos is always changing - girls want to be instafamous now, they don't all dream of being Lady Diana Spencer. However, I think poshness is at it ever was. And indeed, the young lady at the centre of swirling rumours concerning the Wales's marriage, has nothing going for her that Kate doesn't (I think she's less good looking), except that she is firmly of the horsey upper class. The comfort zone of posh is posh.

No, I’m sorry, that’s wrong

Poshness means literally zero if it can’t be exercised to effect in the socio-political world

Class still matters of course (esp in the UK) - but once you’ve learned to speak RP and learned how to use a knife and say scone (like “gone”) and how to do all the other tiny things that bespeak social elevation then it fades away entirely these days. And, btw, it takes about 12 weeks to learn the social codes of English poshness if you really insist on doing it

Beyond that, what does it mean? Nothing. If someone met me and said in the second sentence “by the way I’m the 13th Duke of Lancashire” I’d think 1. That’s mildly interesting and 2. This person is a fucking twat

So how does he announce that he is socially
and - more importantly - where does this alleged superiority get him with me? Nowhere. It is positively counter productive for the personal reasons I’ve delineated (I’ve done more than him and been more places than him and earned more from my own brain than him, for sure)

What, then, is his poshness? How does it matter?

To me it doesn’t. To my daughters maybe yes a tiny bit (for marriage) but they’d be far better off marrying a Silicon Valley tech bro and they’d also be more engaged by that

There! I have my gazette article

POSHNESS IS OVER

Thanks (also I do really believe this)

Is that not just a sign of the world in which there are far, far more rich Americans than there are rich, posh English? The newly rich from many countries may try to emulated 'posh', but Americans are far more brash with their wealth.

But for Brits, in practice there are still a significant number of well paid areas where
the upper echelons are for the posh.

The solution of course is to ignore those
areas and make money somewhere they
don't care about 'poshness'. The posh will
become increasingly diminished even within
the UK.

Poshness is just short hand for “someone who is broadly accepted to be in the top echelon of society”.

Every society is different - in the US it is money or philanthropy. I would argue that Lilly, Pritzker or Phipps families are far “posher” than Musk. But you’ve probably never heard of them…

In the UK it is lineage. The Beckhams are admired for what they have achieved as individuals. But no one has that much positive to say about the kids.

But it’s bollocks. Who can personally call Vlad Putin and expect an immediate reply? It’s not the 19th earl of Shropshire is it? Nor is it the Pritzkers

Its Musk

Outside major major political leaders he has greater actual power and higher social standing than any of them. And by a vast distance

The Habsburgs USED to have that. Now it is merely a quaint surname and a
knowledge to leave the last waistcoat button, unbuttoned

Poshness is nothing to do with power.

(And Musk will only get his calls returns so long as he is useful to Putin. That’s a supplicant relationship)

Utter bullshit. And stupid, as well

I know. I wouldn’t want to be Musk either.

Are you “traditionally posh”? Public school, good surname, etc?

I’m not, I happily admit. You?

Foxy said:

ThomasNashe said:

Dirty Leeds now 3-0 down. Leicester will be back in the prem in around 15 mins.

I will be delighted to go up with Ipswich. They have done amazingly well to be in the running for back to back promotions on a shoestring. Good to watch too.

WBA go up in the playoffs I reckon. Best side I have seen us play this season.

StillWaters said:

Leon said:

StillWaters said:

Leon said:

StillWaters said:

Leon said:

StillWaters said:

Ratters said:

Leon said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

@Leon

I don't think poshness is changing. Of course, social kudos is always changing - girls want to be instafamous now, they don't all dream of being Lady Diana Spencer. However, I think poshness is at it ever was. And indeed, the young lady at the centre of swirling rumours concerning the Wales's marriage, has nothing going for her that Kate doesn't (I think she's less good looking), except that she is firmly of the horsey upper class. The comfort zone of posh is posh.

No, I’m sorry, that’s wrong

Poshness means literally zero if it can’t be exercised to effect in the socio-political world

Class still matters of course (esp in the UK) - but once you’ve learned to speak RP and learned how to use a knife and say scone (like “gone”) and how to do all the other tiny things that bespeak social elevation then it fades away entirely these days. And, btw, it takes about 12 weeks to learn the social codes of English poshness if you really insist on doing it

Beyond that, what does it mean? Nothing. If someone met me and said in the second sentence “by the way I’m the 13th Duke of Lancashire” I’d think 1. That’s mildly interesting and 2. This person is a fucking twat

So how does he announce that he is socially
and - more importantly - where does this alleged superiority get him with me? Nowhere. It is positively counter productive for the personal reasons I’ve delineated (I’ve done more than him and been more places than him and earned more from my own brain than him, for sure)

What, then, is his poshness? How does it matter?

To me it doesn’t. To my daughters maybe yes a tiny bit (for marriage) but they’d be far better off marrying a Silicon Valley tech bro and they’d also be more engaged by that

There! I have my gazette article

POSHNESS IS OVER

Thanks (also I do really believe this)

Is that not just a sign of the world in which there are far, far more rich Americans than there are rich, posh English? The newly rich from many countries may try to emulated 'posh', but Americans are far more brash with their wealth.

But for Brits, in practice there are still a significant number of well paid areas where
the upper echelons are for the posh.

The solution of course is to ignore those
areas and make money somewhere they
don't care about 'poshness'. The posh will
become increasingly diminished even within
the UK.

Poshness is just short hand for “someone who is broadly accepted to be in the top echelon of society”.

Every society is different - in the US it is money or philanthropy. I would argue that Lilly, Pritzker or Phipps families are far “posher” than Musk. But you’ve probably never heard of them…

In the UK it is lineage. The Beckhams are admired for what they have achieved as individuals. But no one has that much positive to say about the kids.

But it’s bollocks. Who can personally call Vlad Putin and expect an immediate reply? It’s not the 19th earl of Shropshire is it? Nor is it the Pritzkers

Its Musk

Outside major major political leaders he has greater actual power and higher social standing than any of them. And by a vast distance

The Habsburgs USED to have that. Now it is merely a quaint surname and a
knowledge to leave the last waistcoat button, unbuttoned

Poshness is nothing to do with power.

(And Musk will only get his calls returns so long as he is useful to Putin. That’s a supplicant relationship)

Utter bullshit. And stupid, as well

I know. I wouldn’t want to be Musk either.

Are you “traditionally posh”? Public school, good surname, etc?

I’m not, I happily admit. You?

I’m proudly middle class.

Leon said:

StillWaters said:

Leon said:

StillWaters said:

Leon said:

StillWaters said:

Leon said:

StillWaters said:

Ratters said:

Leon said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

@Leon

I don't think poshness is changing. Of course, social kudos is always changing - girls want to be instafamous now, they don't all dream of being Lady Diana Spencer. However, I think poshness is at it ever was. And indeed, the young lady at the centre of swirling rumours concerning the Wales's marriage, has nothing going for her that Kate doesn't (I think she's less good looking), except that she is firmly of the horsey upper class. The comfort zone of posh is posh.

No, I’m sorry, that’s wrong

Poshness means literally zero if it can’t be exercised to effect in the socio-political world

Class still matters of course (esp in the UK) - but once you’ve learned to speak RP and learned how to use a knife and say scone (like “gone”) and how to do all the other tiny things that bespeak social elevation then it fades away entirely these days. And, btw, it takes about 12 weeks to learn the social codes of English poshness if you really insist on doing it

Beyond that, what does it mean? Nothing. If someone met me and said in the second sentence “by the way I’m the 13th Duke of Lancashire” I’d think 1. That’s mildly interesting and 2. This person is a fucking twat

So how does he announce that he is socially
and - more importantly - where does this alleged superiority get him with me? Nowhere. It is positively counter productive for the personal reasons I’ve delineated (I’ve done more than him and been more places than him and earned more from my own brain than him, for sure)

What, then, is his poshness? How does it matter?

To me it doesn’t. To my daughters maybe yes a tiny bit (for marriage) but they’d be far better off marrying a Silicon Valley tech bro and they’d also be more engaged by that

There! I have my gazette article

POSHNESS IS OVER

Thanks (also I do really believe this)

Is that not just a sign of the world in which there are far, far more rich Americans than there are rich, posh English? The newly rich from many countries may try to emulated 'posh', but Americans are far more brash with their wealth.

But for Brits, in practice there are still a significant number of well paid areas where
the upper echelons are for the posh.

The solution of course is to ignore those
areas and make money somewhere they
don't care about 'poshness'. The posh will
become increasingly diminished even within
the UK.

Poshness is just short hand for “someone who is broadly accepted to be in the top echelon of society”.

Every society is different - in the US it is money or philanthropy. I would argue that Lilly, Pritzker or Phipps families are far “posher” than Musk. But you’ve probably never heard of them…

In the UK it is lineage. The Beckhams are admired for what they have achieved as individuals. But no one has that much positive to say about the kids.

But it’s bollocks. Who can personally call Vlad Putin and expect an immediate reply? It’s not the 19th earl of Shropshire is it? Nor is it the Pritzkers

Its Musk

Outside major major political leaders he has greater actual power and higher social standing than any of them. And by a vast distance

The Habsburgs USED to have that. Now it is merely a quaint surname and a
knowledge to leave the last waistcoat button, unbuttoned

Poshness is nothing to do with power.

(And Musk will only get his calls returns so long as he is useful to Putin. That’s a supplicant relationship)

Utter bullshit. And stupid, as well

I know. I wouldn’t want to be Musk either.

Are you “traditionally posh”? Public school, good surname, etc?

I’m not, I happily admit. You?

I’m proudly middle class.

What the flying fuck are you on about then? What dismal nonsense. Shape up

Foxy said:

ThomasNashe said:

Dirty Leeds now 3-0 down. Leicester will be back in the prem in around 15 mins.

I will be delighted to go up with Ipswich. They have done amazingly well to be in the running for back to back promotions on a shoestring. Good to watch too.

WBA go up in the playoffs I reckon. Best side I have seen us play this season.

TheScreamingEagles said:

geoffw said:

To declare yourself "posh" is utter infra dig
In fact a pragmatic self-refutation

What do think about people who try and pass themselves off as working class when they demonstrably not?

TheScreamingEagles said:

geoffw said:

To declare yourself "posh" is utter
In fact a pragmatic self-refutation

What do think about people who try and pass themselves off as working class when they demonstrably not?

TheScreamingEagles said:

geoffw said:

To declare yourself "posh" is utter infra dig
In fact a pragmatic self-refutation

What do think about people who try and pass themselves off as working class when they demonstrably not?

Mexicanpete said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

geoffw said:

To declare yourself "posh" is utter infra dig
In fact a pragmatic self-refutation

What do think about people who try and pass themselves off as working class when they demonstrably not?

Who would do that?

Cor blimey guvnor, strike a light!

geoffw said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Leicester promoted

Congratulations to @Foxy

Did he score the winning goal?

SteveS said:

Indeed. Is Elton John posh? Discuss.

spudgfsh said:

Foxy said:

londonpubman said:

Foxy said:

ThomasNashe said:

Dirty Leeds now 3-0 down. Leicester will be back in the prem in around 15 mins.

I will be delighted to go up with Ipswich. They have done amazingly well to be in the running for back to back promotions on a shoestring. Good to watch too.

WBA go up in the playoffs I reckon. Best side I have seen us play this season.

Well done Leicester. Yes Ipswich will go up automatically too.

Form is critical for the play offs so Leeds and Southampton no chance. I think it will be Norwich.

Ipswich not confirmed yet, but likely to seal it before the final match. With a game in hand they could go up as Champions.

WBA 6.2 for promotion on Bfx. Norwich 7. I have put a tenner on the Baggies

playoffs will be interesting (assuming Ipswich win tomorrow and midweek), I'm glad Ipswich won't be finishing 3td for two reasons, 1. I couldn't cope with another NCFC/ITFC playoff semifinal. 2) I get free beer if they don't finish 3rd

Foxy said:

spudgfsh said:

Foxy said:

londonpubman said:

Foxy said:

ThomasNashe said:

Dirty Leeds now 3-0 down. Leicester will be back in the prem in around 15 mins.

I will be delighted to go up with Ipswich. They have done amazingly well to be in the running for back to back promotions on a shoestring. Good to watch too.

WBA go up in the playoffs I reckon. Best side I have seen us play this season.

Well done Leicester. Yes Ipswich will go up automatically too.

Form is critical for the play offs so Leeds and Southampton no chance. I think it will be Norwich.

Ipswich not confirmed yet, but likely to seal it before the final match. With a game in hand they could go up as Champions.

WBA 6.2 for promotion on Bfx. Norwich 7. I have put a tenner on the Baggies

playoffs will be interesting (assuming Ipswich win tomorrow and midweek), I'm glad Ipswich won't be finishing 3td for two reasons, 1. I couldn't cope with another NCFC/ITFC playoff semifinal. 2) I get free beer if they don't finish 3rd

Both Hull and Coventry are tough places to go, but with 2 games in hand over Leeds should do it.

EPG said:

rottenborough said:

Isabella Eckerle
@EckerleIsabella

The current strain of #H5N1 is apparently a virus that is not very willing to jump to humans. But we are doing everything to change it: Circulation in mink fur farms since last year, now circulation in US cows. I really fear we are soon watching a pandemic in the unfolding.


Isabella Eckerle
@EckerleIsabella
·
Apr 25
There may be uncertainties and reasons that speak against the final jump to humans - still better not to rely on it. The time to stop it would be right now, by widespread testing of cows & human contacts in the affected areas (and beyond), and a standstill.

https://twitter.com/EckerleIsabella/status/1783420708820771205

What is a standstill - is this a lockdown until we prove that H5N1 can never spread to humans (which it maybe can, so forever).

EPG said:

rottenborough said:

Isabella Eckerle
@EckerleIsabella

The current strain of #H5N1 is apparently a virus that is not very willing to jump to humans. But we are doing everything to change it: Circulation in mink fur farms since last year, now circulation in US cows. I really fear we are soon watching a pandemic in the unfolding.


Isabella Eckerle
@EckerleIsabella
·
Apr 25
There may be uncertainties and reasons that speak against the final jump to humans - still better not to rely on it. The time to stop it would be right now, by widespread testing of cows & human contacts in the affected areas (and beyond), and a standstill.

https://twitter.com/EckerleIsabella/status/1783420708820771205

What is a standstill - is this a lockdown until we prove that H5N1 can never spread to humans (which it maybe can, so forever).

spudgfsh said:

Foxy said:

spudgfsh said:

Foxy said:

londonpubman said:

Foxy said:

ThomasNashe said:

Dirty Leeds now 3-0 down. Leicester will be back in the prem in around 15 mins.

I will be delighted to go up with Ipswich. They have done amazingly well to be in the running for back to back promotions on a shoestring. Good to watch too.

WBA go up in the playoffs I reckon. Best side I have seen us play this season.

Well done Leicester. Yes Ipswich will go up automatically too.

Form is critical for the play offs so Leeds and Southampton no chance. I think it will be Norwich.

Ipswich not confirmed yet, but likely to seal it before the final match. With a game in hand they could go up as Champions.

WBA 6.2 for promotion on Bfx. Norwich 7. I have put a tenner on the Baggies

playoffs will be interesting (assuming Ipswich win tomorrow and midweek), I'm glad Ipswich won't be finishing 3td for two reasons, 1. I couldn't cope with another NCFC/ITFC playoff semifinal. 2) I get free beer if they don't finish 3rd

Both Hull and Coventry are tough places to go, but with 2 games in hand over Leeds should do it.

5 points from 9 is eminently doable

Foxy said:

spudgfsh said:

Foxy said:

spudgfsh said:

Foxy said:

londonpubman said:

Foxy said:

ThomasNashe said:

Dirty Leeds now 3-0 down. Leicester will be back in the prem in around 15 mins.

I will be delighted to go up with Ipswich. They have done amazingly well to be in the running for back to back promotions on a shoestring. Good to watch too.

WBA go up in the playoffs I reckon. Best side I have seen us play this season.

Well done Leicester. Yes Ipswich will go up automatically too.

Form is critical for the play offs so Leeds and Southampton no chance. I think it will be Norwich.

Ipswich not confirmed yet, but likely to seal it before the final match. With a game in hand they could go up as Champions.

WBA 6.2 for promotion on Bfx. Norwich 7. I have put a tenner on the Baggies

playoffs will be interesting (assuming Ipswich win tomorrow and midweek), I'm glad Ipswich won't be finishing 3td for two reasons, 1. I couldn't cope with another NCFC/ITFC playoff semifinal. 2) I get free beer if they don't finish 3rd

Both Hull and Coventry are tough places to go, but with 2 games in hand over Leeds should do it.

5 points from 9 is eminently doable

Leeds aren't guaranteed 3 more points, so 2 points could send Ipswich up.

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

StillWaters said:

viewcode said:

StillWaters said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

StillWaters said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I think I am on a bit of a Shakespeare bender at the moment if you hadn't noticed.

Time for The Hollow Crown.

Is that the one with Rebecca Ferguson?

No, this one.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/b07bqgjn/the-hollow-crown?seriesId=p00s90hz

You should watch this (and not just because it’s got Rebecca in it):

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2372220/mediaviewer/rm2803948800/?ft0=name&fv0=nm0272581&ft1=image_type&fv1=still_frame

I found out the other day that she's Swedish. I thought she was English

Half and half. Ferguson is her mother’s maiden name & she uses it as her stage name

She is rather fab, loved her in the Mission: Impossible films.

Hayley Atwell looked more OK than her in the latest instalment.

Foxy said:

viewcode said:

Oh incidentally, large clusters of giant spiders have been spotted on Mars from satellites in orbit. There is no need to be alarmed. Honest

https://futurism.com/the-byte/orbiter-spots-spiders-surface-mars

(buys canned food and shotguns )

Don't worry, while they will initially wage effective war, our bird flu will kill them all.

I've read the book and got the LP.

BlancheLivermore said:

The Ange and Keir defence team on here are quite awesome in their efficiency of attempted rebuttal

It's such a pity that they're working so hard for such dross

BlancheLivermore said:

The Ange and Keir defence team on here are quite awesome in their efficiency of attempted rebuttal

It's such a pity that they're working so hard for such dross

Carnyx said:

BlancheLivermore said:

The Ange and Keir defence team on here are quite awesome in their efficiency of attempted rebuttal

It's such a pity that they're working so hard for such dross

This is a matter where the Tory MP prodded to the front to denounce the lady can't say what she has done wrong.

Apart obvs from being an uppity female prole not sufficiently deferential to the lords and masters.

BlancheLivermore said:

Carnyx said:

BlancheLivermore said:

The Ange and Keir defence team on here are quite awesome in their efficiency of attempted rebuttal

It's such a pity that they're working so hard for such dross

This is a matter where the Tory MP prodded to the front to denounce the lady can't say what she has done wrong.

Apart obvs from being an uppity female prole not sufficiently deferential to the lords and masters.

I reckon she got advice that said "dodge the tax by ..."

So she can't honestly answer the questions, so she looks shifty as fuck

Eta even though all entirely legal

dixiedean said:

BlancheLivermore said:

FF43 said:

BlancheLivermore said:

Is there any update on Rayner Terror and her Gallons of Ginger Fear?

The latest scandal is that Rayner seems to have replaced the gas fire in her alleged home and installed a new kitchen. In this way she deviously reduced the tax bill she may not have to pay anyway.

At the cost of twenty something thousand when she was earning something teen thousand a year

Don't we all spend over 100% of our annual income on a new kitchen?

Burn the witch.
On her newly installed hob.

dixiedean said:

This time next year there'll be a Labour government.
And we'll all of us have to get used to it.

Leon said:

TimS said:

Leon said:

SteveS said:

Indeed. Is Elton John posh? Discuss.

Good example. Yes he absolutely is

See the French President fawning over him

Elton John is like a royal duke. Now one can argue that celebrity plus artistry plus wealth has meant poshness for a while but I believe this process is accelerating

Look at the Beckhams. They are the new aristocracy. Brooklyn Beckham

Poshness is being dislocated from accent to some degree.

The children at my daughter’s state primary in SE London: almost all speak RP. Near-universally posher accents than their parents or teachers. Why? I can only surmise it’s something to do with the international mix there. Socially it’s the full spectrum.

The man who came to delivery our grocery shop this afternoon: RP. But in a menial minimum wage job.

Kids at my son’s private secondary school, most of whose parents work in very well paid city jobs? London urban jive talk.

For me the New Poshness now = Actual Achievement and Experience and/or Celebrity Value (calibrated by social media)

I’d argue Elon Musk is the poshest person in the world. Because poshness means nothing if it doesn’t mean ability to impress by sheer social standing. That is what it IS


I feel posher than 99.999999% of humanity - certainly everyone on PB - even tho I went to state school and lots of PB-ers are, in the old fashioned sense, posh (public school, old names, blah blah). But if I met Elon? Yes I would reflexively genuflect at a man with much higher social standing than my own

Leon said:

Interestingly both sides of the posh argument (it’s over v it still matters) need to wrestle with the fact the word itself is only about 100 years old


posh′ness n.
Word History: "Oh yes, Mater, we had a posh time of it down there." This sentence, found in a 1918 issue of the British satirical magazine Punch, contains one of the first known occurrences of the word posh. A popular theory holds that posh is an acronym of the words Port Out, Starboard Home

OnlyLivingBoy said:

SandyRentool said:

Leon said:

TimS said:

Leon said:

SteveS said:

Indeed. Is Elton John posh? Discuss.

Good example. Yes he absolutely is

See the French President fawning over him

Elton John is like a royal duke. Now one can argue that celebrity plus artistry plus wealth has meant poshness for a while but I believe this process is accelerating

Look at the Beckhams. They are the new aristocracy. Brooklyn Beckham

Poshness is being dislocated from accent to some degree.

The children at my daughter’s state primary in SE London: almost all speak RP. Near-universally posher accents than their parents or teachers. Why? I can only surmise it’s something to do with the international mix there. Socially it’s the full spectrum.

The man who came to delivery our grocery shop this afternoon: RP. But in a menial minimum wage job.

Kids at my son’s private secondary school, most of whose parents work in very well paid city jobs? London urban jive talk.

For me the New Poshness now = Actual Achievement and Experience and/or Celebrity Value (calibrated by social media)

I’d argue Elon Musk is the poshest person in the world. Because poshness means nothing if it doesn’t mean ability to impress by sheer social standing. That is what it IS


I feel posher than 99.999999% of humanity - certainly everyone on PB - even tho I went to state school and lots of PB-ers are, in the old fashioned sense, posh (public school, old names, blah blah). But if I met Elon? Yes I would reflexively genuflect at a man with much higher social standing than my own

For that level of poshness you must have at least seven types of Balsamic in your kitchen.

Plus, of course, shaved parmesan.

I don't think really posh people would have seven types of Balsamic in their kitchen. It's too foreign, and smacks of insecurity and status anxiety. They would eat mainly pheasant and spotted dick rather than food requiring even one sort of Balsamic. And they would employ someone to shave their parmesan, if required. You're describing the aspirant cosmopolitan professional upper middle classes, not the genuinely posh.

FF43 said:

Has this been discussed? Potential Trump VP pick Kristi Noem gunned down her dog as it wasn't behaving properly and then decided to kill the family goat at the same time, for being too smelly.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13354149/trump-vp-kristi-noem-book-shot-dog-goat.html

FF43 said:

Has this been discussed? Potential Trump VP pick Kristi Noem gunned down her dog as it wasn't behaving properly and then decided to kill the family goat at the same time, for being too smelly.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13354149/trump-vp-kristi-noem-book-shot-dog-goat.html

BlancheLivermore said:

FF43 said:

BlancheLivermore said:

FF43 said:

BlancheLivermore said:

Is there any update on Rayner Terror and her Gallons of Ginger Fear?

The latest scandal is that Rayner seems to have replaced the gas fire in her alleged home and installed a new kitchen. In this way she deviously reduced the tax bill she may not have to pay anyway.

At the cost of twenty something thousand when she was earning something teen thousand a year

Don't we all spend over 100% of our annual income on a new kitchen?

Our neighbours spent 20K on their new kitchen. They're pensioners and I doubt they earn that much. We thought that seemed a lot, but they were happy about it and I don't think they are actually evil.

Home owning pensioners and minimum wage carers who've just bought their council house are almost indistinguishable in so many ways

HYUFD said:

Finally and more importantly, if Starmer were a restaurant, what restaurant would he be?

“Pizza Express – bit boring, middle of the road, totally vanilla, inoffensive. You know it’s not going to be really awful”; “Wagamama because it’s trying to rebrand”; “Burger King or McDonald’s because everyone can afford to eat there. Labour’s a bit more budget;” “Pizza Hut. Old school, cheap and cheerful. Well, I don’t think Labour are cheerful. But it’s always been there in the background and people don’t really use it that much”; “Wetherspoons. Youngsters and working-class people. But they don’t really advertise do they? People just have an assumption that they might do this or that.”

And the Tory restaurant?

“A pretentious place that has a tasting menu with foams. All front but no action”; “Nando’s. Quick turnaround, you’re in and out of the door. And spicy – they try and dress it up but at the end of the day it’s just chicken”; “Jamie’s Italian. The empire crumbled – that’s how it’s looking isn’t it? They failed because they tried to run it by image, but the actual food was awful”; “The kitchen at Fawlty Towers. The menu is duck à l’orange and meanwhile in the back room all hell’s breaking loose and the chef is drunk”; and:

“Deliveroo. You’ve ordered something and you’re really looking forward to it, but when it turns up it’s late, it’s cold, it’s not what you ordered, but you can’t help feeling sorry for Rishi standing there with his moped in the rain.”
https://conservativehome.com/2024/04/26/lord-ashcroft-i-dont-know-who-rishi-is-trying-to-be-my-focus-groups-in-godalming-and-taunton/

HYUFD said:

Finally and more importantly, if Starmer were a restaurant, what restaurant would he be?

“Pizza Express – bit boring, middle of the road, totally vanilla, inoffensive. You know it’s not going to be really awful”; “Wagamama because it’s trying to rebrand”; “Burger King or McDonald’s because everyone can afford to eat there. Labour’s a bit more budget;” “Pizza Hut. Old school, cheap and cheerful. Well, I don’t think Labour are cheerful. But it’s always been there in the background and people don’t really use it that much”; “Wetherspoons. Youngsters and working-class people. But they don’t really advertise do they? People just have an assumption that they might do this or that.”

And the Tory restaurant?

“A pretentious place that has a tasting menu with foams. All front but no action”; “Nando’s. Quick turnaround, you’re in and out of the door. And spicy – they try and dress it up but at the end of the day it’s just chicken”; “Jamie’s Italian. The empire crumbled – that’s how it’s looking isn’t it? They failed because they tried to run it by image, but the actual food was awful”; “The kitchen at Fawlty Towers. The menu is duck à l’orange and meanwhile in the back room all hell’s breaking loose and the chef is drunk”; and:

“Deliveroo. You’ve ordered something and you’re really looking forward to it, but when it turns up it’s late, it’s cold, it’s not what you ordered, but you can’t help feeling sorry for Rishi standing there with his moped in the rain.”
https://conservativehome.com/2024/04/26/lord-ashcroft-i-dont-know-who-rishi-is-trying-to-be-my-focus-groups-in-godalming-and-taunton/

Foxy said:

ThomasNashe said:

Dirty Leeds now 3-0 down. Leicester will be back in the prem in around 15 mins.

I will be delighted to go up with Ipswich. They have done amazingly well to be in the running for back to back promotions on a shoestring. Good to watch too.

WBA go up in the playoffs I reckon. Best side I have seen us play this season.

HYUFD said:

Leon said:

TimS said:

Leon said:

SteveS said:

Indeed. Is Elton John posh? Discuss.

Good example. Yes he absolutely is

See the French President fawning over him

Elton John is like a royal duke. Now one can argue that celebrity plus artistry plus wealth has meant poshness for a while but I believe this process is accelerating

Look at the Beckhams. They are the new aristocracy. Brooklyn Beckham

Poshness is being dislocated from accent to some degree.

The children at my daughter’s state primary in SE London: almost all speak RP. Near-universally posher accents than their parents or teachers. Why? I can only surmise it’s something to do with the international mix there. Socially it’s the full spectrum.

The man who came to delivery our grocery shop this afternoon: RP. But in a menial minimum wage job.

Kids at my son’s private secondary school, most of whose parents work in very well paid city jobs? London urban jive talk.

For me the New Poshness now = Actual Achievement and Experience and/or Celebrity Value (calibrated by social media)

I’d argue Elon Musk is the poshest person in the world. Because poshness means nothing if it doesn’t mean ability to impress by sheer social standing. That is what it IS


I feel posher than 99.999999% of humanity - certainly everyone on PB - even tho I went to state school and lots of PB-ers are, in the old fashioned sense, posh (public school, old names, blah blah). But if I met Elon? Yes I would reflexively genuflect at a man with much higher social standing than my own

Elon is himself pretty posh even by background regardless of his achievements and celebrity, educated at some top South African private schools including Waterkloof House Preparatory School and Pretoria Boys High School. He also has a degree from US Ivy League University of Pennsylvania
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk

nico679 said:

Is anyone watching ITV News? Rageh Omaar doesn’t seem at all well. I don’t think this is an auto cue problem but he’s finding it difficult to speak properly.

Andy_JS said:

Enjoying reading about BlancheLivermore and Leon's travel exploits and the photos.

DecrepiterJohnL said:

There is now an American edition of The Rest is Politics, aka TRIP US, with Anthony Scaramucci who worked for Donald Trump for a short while, and journalist Katty Kay.

Trump's Hush Money Trial, and Campus Protests Against War In Gaza
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk8GYf40vcY