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In a sign of how febrile the atmosphere in Westminster is just now, there have been wild rumours flying around today that Rishi Sunak is planning to finally call an election on Monday. Read on ??https://t.co/dOubtY24jt
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Now That’s What I Call Bullshit Vol 5 is out
I’ve decided to make a 5th compilation video of Keir Starmer's Flip flops, u-turns and lies
https://x.com/timmyvoe/status/1783658747723755932?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q1 -
A Monday election would be unusual. January 2025 still for me.1
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I think I am on a bit of a Shakespeare bender at the moment if you hadn't noticed.
Time for The Hollow Crown.3 -
The Rishi to announce GE rumours are patently hostile and designed to create a "bottler" narrative.0
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Our first election interference?
Bots are spreading #LondonVoterFraud on TwiX.
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The 12 available for a December election - five years since the last one, but not as transparently desperate as January - is amazing value.0
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Agree just backed 2025 at 20 on BetfairDecrepiterJohnL said:A Monday election would be unusual. January 2025 still for me.
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Someone on here accurately said that with Trump, accusation is confession. I can't help but feel that the same is true with Elon Musk and bots on twitter.DecrepiterJohnL said:Our first election interference?
Bots are spreading #LondonVoterFraud on TwiX.
https://twitter.com/search?q=#LondonVoterFraud2 -
A fairly safe prediction is that the Scottish Parliament live feed is going to get its biggest ever audience next week when the VOC takes place.3
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That's where my money is.LostPassword said:The 12 available for a December election - five years since the last one, but not as transparently desperate as January - is amazing value.
I see a very narrow logic for calling an election next week, particularly if the King is returning to duty at the same time, but it's essentially volunteering for an early suicide so I very much doubt it.0 -
@Leon
I don't think poshness is changing. Of course, social kudos is always changing - girls want to be instafamous now, they don't all dream of being Lady Diana Spencer. However, I think poshness is at it ever was. And indeed, the young lady at the centre of swirling rumours concerning the Wales's marriage, has nothing going for her that Kate doesn't (I think she's less good looking), except that she is firmly of the horsey upper class. The comfort zone of posh is posh.1 -
People tend to forget that December was not Johnson's favoured election time in 2019. He had made two unsuccessful attempts to hold a GE earlier that Autumn but been blocked by the terms of the FTPA. He was only able to proceed when the SNP and LDs agreed to open the door for a December poll.LostPassword said:The 12 available for a December election - five years since the last one, but not as transparently desperate as January - is amazing value.
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Touch of the Earl of Southamptons?TheScreamingEagles said:I think I am on a bit of a Shakespeare bender at the moment if you hadn't noticed.
Time for The Hollow Crown.1 -
That's a good point.legatus said:
People tend to forget that December was not Johnson's favoured election time in 2019. He had made two unsuccessful attempts to hold a GE earlier that Autumn but been blocked by the terms of the FTPA. He was only able to proceed when the SNP and LDs agreed to open the door for a December poll.LostPassword said:The 12 available for a December election - five years since the last one, but not as transparently desperate as January - is amazing value.
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Might not be by this time on Monday. Lecture out. Followed by Sunak out…LostPassword said:The 12 available for a December election - five years since the last one, but not as transparently desperate as January - is amazing value.
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Obvious comparison with Boris's December landslide though. Still, can't rule it out.LostPassword said:The 12 available for a December election - five years since the last one, but not as transparently desperate as January - is amazing value.
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Yup.LostPassword said:The 12 available for a December election - five years since the last one, but not as transparently desperate as January - is amazing value.
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CPI for April due to be announced 15 or 22 May, could be on target 2%! Rishi will be aware of this and could use this in the campaign as a CON triumph 😈0
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Available where? I can only see Oct to Dec at very short odds on oddscheckerTheScreamingEagles said:
Yup.LostPassword said:The 12 available for a December election - five years since the last one, but not as transparently desperate as January - is amazing value.
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Surely, TSE, the election will be called tomorrow.
And tomorrow, and tomorrow......2 -
No, I’m sorry, that’s wrongLuckyguy1983 said:@Leon
I don't think poshness is changing. Of course, social kudos is always changing - girls want to be instafamous now, they don't all dream of being Lady Diana Spencer. However, I think poshness is at it ever was. And indeed, the young lady at the centre of swirling rumours concerning the Wales's marriage, has nothing going for her that Kate doesn't (I think she's less good looking), except that she is firmly of the horsey upper class. The comfort zone of posh is posh.
Poshness means literally zero if it can’t be exercised to effect in the socio-political world
Class still matters of course (esp in the UK) - but once you’ve learned to speak RP and learned how to use a knife and say scone (like “gone”) and how to do all the other tiny things that bespeak social elevation then it fades away entirely these days. And, btw, it takes about 12 weeks to learn the social codes of English poshness if you really insist on doing it
Beyond that, what does it mean? Nothing. If someone met me and said in the second sentence “by the way I’m the 13th Duke of Lancashire” I’d think 1. That’s mildly interesting and 2. This person is a fucking twat
So how does he announce that he is socially
and - more importantly - where does this alleged superiority get him with me? Nowhere. It is positively counter productive for the personal reasons I’ve delineated (I’ve done more than him and been more places than him and earned more from my own brain than him, for sure)
What, then, is his poshness? How does it matter?
To me it doesn’t. To my daughters maybe yes a tiny bit (for marriage) but they’d be far better off marrying a Silicon Valley tech bro and they’d also be more engaged by that
There! I have my gazette article
POSHNESS IS OVER
Thanks (also I do really believe this)0 -
I've met and had chats with some really interesting people on breaks today, none more so than at breakfast
I sat down with Travis from Tennessee who had a truly terrifying tale
I think he's in his sixties and retired, and is walking from Bayonne to Santiago. When he was just outside Burgos he encountered a snake
Apparently he's used to snakes and reptiles so stopped to take a closer look, he thought it looked harmless and relaxed
He was very wrong. He'd met one of the few, very rare, venomous snakes native to the region and got bitten
He was found pretty soon, swollen and suffering, by fellow peregrinos who called for help
Travis spent four days in Burgos hospital recovering, then continued his walk. He's now going at my pace to try to catch up with his original plan so he doesn't have to change his further travel plans
But he's reconsidering everything. He thinks he's fallen in love with his nurse in Burgos and might have to come back to Spain very soon to try to win her heart, then hopefully live here
It might all be bullshit, though it did look like a genuine snakebite on his arm and he was very convincing..
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Something rotten in the state of Downing Street?Theuniondivvie said:
Touch of the Earl of Southamptons?TheScreamingEagles said:I think I am on a bit of a Shakespeare bender at the moment if you hadn't noticed.
Time for The Hollow Crown.0 -
Heremegasaur said:
Available where? I can only see Oct to Dec at very short odds on oddscheckerTheScreamingEagles said:
Yup.LostPassword said:The 12 available for a December election - five years since the last one, but not as transparently desperate as January - is amazing value.
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Indeed. Is Elton John posh? Discuss.0
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"You have not experienced Shakespeare until you have read him in the original Klingon!"TheScreamingEagles said:I think I am on a bit of a Shakespeare bender at the moment if you hadn't noticed.
Time for The Hollow Crown.
"taH pagh, taH be?"
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Thanks took the 5 quid availableTheScreamingEagles said:
Heremegasaur said:
Available where? I can only see Oct to Dec at very short odds on oddscheckerTheScreamingEagles said:
Yup.LostPassword said:The 12 available for a December election - five years since the last one, but not as transparently desperate as January - is amazing value.
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On topic, I wouldn’t trust Nad to have the inside info even if Boris was in No 10!
I have just laid off my June and July positions. I personally think October before the clocks go back (24th) but am green on November too.0 -
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Is that the one with Rebecca Ferguson?TheScreamingEagles said:I think I am on a bit of a Shakespeare bender at the moment if you hadn't noticed.
Time for The Hollow Crown.0 -
Good example. Yes he absolutely isSteveS said:Indeed. Is Elton John posh? Discuss.
See the French President fawning over him
Elton John is like a royal duke. Now one can argue that celebrity plus artistry plus wealth has meant poshness for a while but I believe this process is accelerating
Look at the Beckhams. They are the new aristocracy. Brooklyn Beckham0 -
No, this one.StillWaters said:
Is that the one with Rebecca Ferguson?TheScreamingEagles said:I think I am on a bit of a Shakespeare bender at the moment if you hadn't noticed.
Time for The Hollow Crown.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/b07bqgjn/the-hollow-crown?seriesId=p00s90hz0 -
It is said that the most famous sonnet of all ('Shall I compare thee to a summer's day...) was addressed to the Earl of Southampton.Theuniondivvie said:
Touch of the Earl of Southamptons?TheScreamingEagles said:I think I am on a bit of a Shakespeare bender at the moment if you hadn't noticed.
Time for The Hollow Crown.
Sounds a bit unlikely to me. Why would you write a sonnet to a pub?2 -
Poshness is being dislocated from accent to some degree.Leon said:
Good example. Yes he absolutely isSteveS said:Indeed. Is Elton John posh? Discuss.
See the French President fawning over him
Elton John is like a royal duke. Now one can argue that celebrity plus artistry plus wealth has meant poshness for a while but I believe this process is accelerating
Look at the Beckhams. They are the new aristocracy. Brooklyn Beckham
The children at my daughter’s state primary in SE London: almost all speak RP. Near-universally posher accents than their parents or teachers. Why? I can only surmise it’s something to do with the international mix there. Socially it’s the full spectrum.
The man who came to delivery our grocery shop this afternoon: RP. But in a menial minimum wage job.
Kids at my son’s private secondary school, most of whose parents work in very well paid city jobs? London urban jive talk.1 -
You should watch this (and not just because it’s got Rebecca in it):TheScreamingEagles said:
No, this one.StillWaters said:
Is that the one with Rebecca Ferguson?TheScreamingEagles said:I think I am on a bit of a Shakespeare bender at the moment if you hadn't noticed.
Time for The Hollow Crown.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/b07bqgjn/the-hollow-crown?seriesId=p00s90hz
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2372220/mediaviewer/rm2803948800/?ft0=name&fv0=nm0272581&ft1=image_type&fv1=still_frame
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Dey is ignorant people!TimS said:
Poshness is being dislocated from accent to some degree.Leon said:
Good example. Yes he absolutely isSteveS said:Indeed. Is Elton John posh? Discuss.
See the French President fawning over him
Elton John is like a royal duke. Now one can argue that celebrity plus artistry plus wealth has meant poshness for a while but I believe this process is accelerating
Look at the Beckhams. They are the new aristocracy. Brooklyn Beckham
The children at my daughter’s state primary in SE London: almost all speak RP. Near-universally posher accents than their parents or teachers. Why? I can only surmise it’s something to do with the international mix there. Socially it’s the full spectrum.
The man who came to delivery our grocery shop this afternoon: RP. But in a menial minimum wage job.
Kids at my son’s private secondary school, most of whose parents work in very well paid city jobs? London urban jive talk.0 -
What football teams do posh people support then? I'd have thought there were plenty of posh people in Hertfordshire.Peter_the_Punter said:0 -
The Euston to Watford service on the London Overground is due to be renamed "Lioness Line" later this year.Peter_the_Punter said:1 -
If we're talking Sunak, shouldn't that be Littlehampton?Theuniondivvie said:
Touch of the Earl of Southamptons?TheScreamingEagles said:I think I am on a bit of a Shakespeare bender at the moment if you hadn't noticed.
Time for The Hollow Crown.1 -
For me the New Poshness now = Actual Achievement and Experience and/or Celebrity Value (calibrated by social media)TimS said:
Poshness is being dislocated from accent to some degree.Leon said:
Good example. Yes he absolutely isSteveS said:Indeed. Is Elton John posh? Discuss.
See the French President fawning over him
Elton John is like a royal duke. Now one can argue that celebrity plus artistry plus wealth has meant poshness for a while but I believe this process is accelerating
Look at the Beckhams. They are the new aristocracy. Brooklyn Beckham
The children at my daughter’s state primary in SE London: almost all speak RP. Near-universally posher accents than their parents or teachers. Why? I can only surmise it’s something to do with the international mix there. Socially it’s the full spectrum.
The man who came to delivery our grocery shop this afternoon: RP. But in a menial minimum wage job.
Kids at my son’s private secondary school, most of whose parents work in very well paid city jobs? London urban jive talk.
I’d argue Elon Musk is the poshest person in the world. Because poshness means nothing if it doesn’t mean ability to impress by sheer social standing. That is what it IS
I feel posher than 99.999999% of humanity - certainly everyone on PB - even tho I went to state school and lots of PB-ers are, in the old fashioned sense, posh (public school, old names, blah blah). But if I met Elon? Yes I would reflexively genuflect at a man with much higher social standing than my own0 -
Something to take pride in.Sunil_Prasannan said:
The Euston to Watford service on the London Overground is due to be renamed "Lioness Line" later this year.Peter_the_Punter said:0 -
Is that not just a sign of the world in which there are far, far more rich Americans than there are rich, posh English? The newly rich from many countries may try to emulated 'posh', but Americans are far more brash with their wealth.Leon said:
No, I’m sorry, that’s wrongLuckyguy1983 said:@Leon
I don't think poshness is changing. Of course, social kudos is always changing - girls want to be instafamous now, they don't all dream of being Lady Diana Spencer. However, I think poshness is at it ever was. And indeed, the young lady at the centre of swirling rumours concerning the Wales's marriage, has nothing going for her that Kate doesn't (I think she's less good looking), except that she is firmly of the horsey upper class. The comfort zone of posh is posh.
Poshness means literally zero if it can’t be exercised to effect in the socio-political world
Class still matters of course (esp in the UK) - but once you’ve learned to speak RP and learned how to use a knife and say scone (like “gone”) and how to do all the other tiny things that bespeak social elevation then it fades away entirely these days. And, btw, it takes about 12 weeks to learn the social codes of English poshness if you really insist on doing it
Beyond that, what does it mean? Nothing. If someone met me and said in the second sentence “by the way I’m the 13th Duke of Lancashire” I’d think 1. That’s mildly interesting and 2. This person is a fucking twat
So how does he announce that he is socially
and - more importantly - where does this alleged superiority get him with me? Nowhere. It is positively counter productive for the personal reasons I’ve delineated (I’ve done more than him and been more places than him and earned more from my own brain than him, for sure)
What, then, is his poshness? How does it matter?
To me it doesn’t. To my daughters maybe yes a tiny bit (for marriage) but they’d be far better off marrying a Silicon Valley tech bro and they’d also be more engaged by that
There! I have my gazette article
POSHNESS IS OVER
Thanks (also I do really believe this)
But for Brits, in practice there are still a significant number of well paid areas where the upper echelons are for the posh.
The solution of course is to ignore those areas and make money somewhere they don't care about 'poshness'. The posh will become increasingly diminished even within the UK.0 -
Oh god the cringe. No one will ever say that. I hopeSunil_Prasannan said:
The Euston to Watford service on the London Overground is due to be renamed "Lioness Line" later this year.Peter_the_Punter said:0 -
That's the mane thing.SandyRentool said:
Something to take pride in.Sunil_Prasannan said:
The Euston to Watford service on the London Overground is due to be renamed "Lioness Line" later this year.Peter_the_Punter said:0 -
If you liked that, you'll love that the combined East London* and South London** Lines will become the "Windrush Line".Leon said:
Oh god the cringe. No one will ever say that. I hopeSunil_Prasannan said:
The Euston to Watford service on the London Overground is due to be renamed "Lioness Line" later this year.Peter_the_Punter said:
* Highbury to West Croydon/Crystal Palace/New Cross
** Dalston Junction to Clapham Junction0 -
For that level of poshness you must have at least seven types of Balsamic in your kitchen.Leon said:
For me the New Poshness now = Actual Achievement and Experience and/or Celebrity Value (calibrated by social media)TimS said:
Poshness is being dislocated from accent to some degree.Leon said:
Good example. Yes he absolutely isSteveS said:Indeed. Is Elton John posh? Discuss.
See the French President fawning over him
Elton John is like a royal duke. Now one can argue that celebrity plus artistry plus wealth has meant poshness for a while but I believe this process is accelerating
Look at the Beckhams. They are the new aristocracy. Brooklyn Beckham
The children at my daughter’s state primary in SE London: almost all speak RP. Near-universally posher accents than their parents or teachers. Why? I can only surmise it’s something to do with the international mix there. Socially it’s the full spectrum.
The man who came to delivery our grocery shop this afternoon: RP. But in a menial minimum wage job.
Kids at my son’s private secondary school, most of whose parents work in very well paid city jobs? London urban jive talk.
I’d argue Elon Musk is the poshest person in the world. Because poshness means nothing if it doesn’t mean ability to impress by sheer social standing. That is what it IS
I feel posher than 99.999999% of humanity - certainly everyone on PB - even tho I went to state school and lots of PB-ers are, in the old fashioned sense, posh (public school, old names, blah blah). But if I met Elon? Yes I would reflexively genuflect at a man with much higher social standing than my own
Plus, of course, shaved parmesan.0 -
It wasn't on target last month but we'll see how much of a silk purse can be made out of the various sows and ears around the great five pledges.londonpubman said:CPI for April due to be announced 15 or 22 May, could be on target 2%! Rishi will be aware of this and could use this in the campaign as a CON triumph 😈
Techne about the same as last think but a four point drop for the Conservatives with We Think. We Think 59-34, Techne 59-35 and the three most recent polls all have Labour leads back over 20 points.
Comparing the latest YouGov with the equivalent poll a week before the 2021 local elections the Conservatives are down 22, Labour up 12 and Reform up 10. This mirrors what we're seeing in other polls with the 2019 Conservative vote fragmenting equally between Labour and Reform.0 -
Poshness is just short hand for “someone who is broadly accepted to be in the top echelon of society”.Ratters said:
Is that not just a sign of the world in which there are far, far more rich Americans than there are rich, posh English? The newly rich from many countries may try to emulated 'posh', but Americans are far more brash with their wealth.Leon said:
No, I’m sorry, that’s wrongLuckyguy1983 said:@Leon
I don't think poshness is changing. Of course, social kudos is always changing - girls want to be instafamous now, they don't all dream of being Lady Diana Spencer. However, I think poshness is at it ever was. And indeed, the young lady at the centre of swirling rumours concerning the Wales's marriage, has nothing going for her that Kate doesn't (I think she's less good looking), except that she is firmly of the horsey upper class. The comfort zone of posh is posh.
Poshness means literally zero if it can’t be exercised to effect in the socio-political world
Class still matters of course (esp in the UK) - but once you’ve learned to speak RP and learned how to use a knife and say scone (like “gone”) and how to do all the other tiny things that bespeak social elevation then it fades away entirely these days. And, btw, it takes about 12 weeks to learn the social codes of English poshness if you really insist on doing it
Beyond that, what does it mean? Nothing. If someone met me and said in the second sentence “by the way I’m the 13th Duke of Lancashire” I’d think 1. That’s mildly interesting and 2. This person is a fucking twat
So how does he announce that he is socially
and - more importantly - where does this alleged superiority get him with me? Nowhere. It is positively counter productive for the personal reasons I’ve delineated (I’ve done more than him and been more places than him and earned more from my own brain than him, for sure)
What, then, is his poshness? How does it matter?
To me it doesn’t. To my daughters maybe yes a tiny bit (for marriage) but they’d be far better off marrying a Silicon Valley tech bro and they’d also be more engaged by that
There! I have my gazette article
POSHNESS IS OVER
Thanks (also I do really believe this)
But for Brits, in practice there are still a significant number of well paid areas where
the upper echelons are for the posh.
The solution of course is to ignore those
areas and make money somewhere they
don't care about 'poshness'. The posh will
become increasingly diminished even within
the UK.
Every society is different - in the US it is money or philanthropy. I would argue that Lilly, Pritzker or Phipps families are far “posher” than Musk. But you’ve probably never heard of them…
In the UK it is lineage. The Beckhams are admired for what they have achieved as individuals. But no one has that much positive to say about the kids.
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Do the really posh not have their own parmesan graters?SandyRentool said:
For that level of poshness you must have at least seven types of Balsamic in your kitchen.Leon said:
For me the New Poshness now = Actual Achievement and Experience and/or Celebrity Value (calibrated by social media)TimS said:
Poshness is being dislocated from accent to some degree.Leon said:
Good example. Yes he absolutely isSteveS said:Indeed. Is Elton John posh? Discuss.
See the French President fawning over him
Elton John is like a royal duke. Now one can argue that celebrity plus artistry plus wealth has meant poshness for a while but I believe this process is accelerating
Look at the Beckhams. They are the new aristocracy. Brooklyn Beckham
The children at my daughter’s state primary in SE London: almost all speak RP. Near-universally posher accents than their parents or teachers. Why? I can only surmise it’s something to do with the international mix there. Socially it’s the full spectrum.
The man who came to delivery our grocery shop this afternoon: RP. But in a menial minimum wage job.
Kids at my son’s private secondary school, most of whose parents work in very well paid city jobs? London urban jive talk.
I’d argue Elon Musk is the poshest person in the world. Because poshness means nothing if it doesn’t mean ability to impress by sheer social standing. That is what it IS
I feel posher than 99.999999% of humanity - certainly everyone on PB - even tho I went to state school and lots of PB-ers are, in the old fashioned sense, posh (public school, old names, blah blah). But if I met Elon? Yes I would reflexively genuflect at a man with much higher social standing than my own
Plus, of course, shaved parmesan.
Assuming it isn't their day off, of course...0 -
The windrush line is fine, not cringe at all. It sounds like a rural steam railway in Hampshire.Sunil_Prasannan said:
If you liked that, you'll love that the combined East London* and South London** Lines will become the "Windrush Line".Leon said:
Oh god the cringe. No one will ever say that. I hopeSunil_Prasannan said:
The Euston to Watford service on the London Overground is due to be renamed "Lioness Line" later this year.Peter_the_Punter said:
* Highbury to West Croydon/Crystal Palace/New Cross
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Oh incidentally, large clusters of giant spiders have been spotted on Mars from satellites in orbit. There is no need to be alarmed. Honest
https://futurism.com/the-byte/orbiter-spots-spiders-surface-mars
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In the days of landlines and directory inquiries a friend of mine asked to be put through to the Marquess of Anglesey in London, and asked if John Doe was in the bar. And found after a confused conversation that he had been put through to the actual Marquess of actual Anglesey.Peter_the_Punter said:
It is said that the most famous sonnet of all ('Shall I compare thee to a summer's day...) was addressed to the Earl of Southampton.Theuniondivvie said:
Touch of the Earl of Southamptons?TheScreamingEagles said:I think I am on a bit of a Shakespeare bender at the moment if you hadn't noticed.
Time for The Hollow Crown.
Sounds a bit unlikely to me. Why would you write a sonnet to a pub?4 -
I found out the other day that she's Swedish. I thought she was EnglishStillWaters said:
You should watch this (and not just because it’s got Rebecca in it):TheScreamingEagles said:
No, this one.StillWaters said:
Is that the one with Rebecca Ferguson?TheScreamingEagles said:I think I am on a bit of a Shakespeare bender at the moment if you hadn't noticed.
Time for The Hollow Crown.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/b07bqgjn/the-hollow-crown?seriesId=p00s90hz
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2372220/mediaviewer/rm2803948800/?ft0=name&fv0=nm0272581&ft1=image_type&fv1=still_frame0 -
The day before my holiday I was working in Chiseldon (aka M4 J15)TimS said:
The windrush line is fine, not cringe at all. It sounds like a rural steam railway in Hampshire.Sunil_Prasannan said:
If you liked that, you'll love that the combined East London* and South London** Lines will become the "Windrush Line".Leon said:
Oh god the cringe. No one will ever say that. I hopeSunil_Prasannan said:
The Euston to Watford service on the London Overground is due to be renamed "Lioness Line" later this year.Peter_the_Punter said:
* Highbury to West Croydon/Crystal Palace/New Cross
** Dalston Junction to Clapham Junction
I delivered to houses called Windrush and Hillsborough2 -
I like the fact that the iPlayer site lists The Hollow Crown as 'series 1'. Just wondering if Shakespeare is planning to do a series 2 anytime soon?TheScreamingEagles said:
No, this one.StillWaters said:
Is that the one with Rebecca Ferguson?TheScreamingEagles said:I think I am on a bit of a Shakespeare bender at the moment if you hadn't noticed.
Time for The Hollow Crown.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/b07bqgjn/the-hollow-crown?seriesId=p00s90hz1 -
Half and half. Ferguson is her mother’s maiden name & she uses it as her stage nameviewcode said:
I found out the other day that she's Swedish. I thought she was EnglishStillWaters said:
You should watch this (and not just because it’s got Rebecca in it):TheScreamingEagles said:
No, this one.StillWaters said:
Is that the one with Rebecca Ferguson?TheScreamingEagles said:I think I am on a bit of a Shakespeare bender at the moment if you hadn't noticed.
Time for The Hollow Crown.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/b07bqgjn/the-hollow-crown?seriesId=p00s90hz
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2372220/mediaviewer/rm2803948800/?ft0=name&fv0=nm0272581&ft1=image_type&fv1=still_frame
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But it’s bollocks. Who can personally call Vlad Putin and expect an immediate reply? It’s not the 19th earl of Shropshire is it? Nor is it the PritzkersStillWaters said:
Poshness is just short hand for “someone who is broadly accepted to be in the top echelon of society”.Ratters said:
Is that not just a sign of the world in which there are far, far more rich Americans than there are rich, posh English? The newly rich from many countries may try to emulated 'posh', but Americans are far more brash with their wealth.Leon said:
No, I’m sorry, that’s wrongLuckyguy1983 said:@Leon
I don't think poshness is changing. Of course, social kudos is always changing - girls want to be instafamous now, they don't all dream of being Lady Diana Spencer. However, I think poshness is at it ever was. And indeed, the young lady at the centre of swirling rumours concerning the Wales's marriage, has nothing going for her that Kate doesn't (I think she's less good looking), except that she is firmly of the horsey upper class. The comfort zone of posh is posh.
Poshness means literally zero if it can’t be exercised to effect in the socio-political world
Class still matters of course (esp in the UK) - but once you’ve learned to speak RP and learned how to use a knife and say scone (like “gone”) and how to do all the other tiny things that bespeak social elevation then it fades away entirely these days. And, btw, it takes about 12 weeks to learn the social codes of English poshness if you really insist on doing it
Beyond that, what does it mean? Nothing. If someone met me and said in the second sentence “by the way I’m the 13th Duke of Lancashire” I’d think 1. That’s mildly interesting and 2. This person is a fucking twat
So how does he announce that he is socially
and - more importantly - where does this alleged superiority get him with me? Nowhere. It is positively counter productive for the personal reasons I’ve delineated (I’ve done more than him and been more places than him and earned more from my own brain than him, for sure)
What, then, is his poshness? How does it matter?
To me it doesn’t. To my daughters maybe yes a tiny bit (for marriage) but they’d be far better off marrying a Silicon Valley tech bro and they’d also be more engaged by that
There! I have my gazette article
POSHNESS IS OVER
Thanks (also I do really believe this)
But for Brits, in practice there are still a significant number of well paid areas where
the upper echelons are for the posh.
The solution of course is to ignore those
areas and make money somewhere they
don't care about 'poshness'. The posh will
become increasingly diminished even within
the UK.
Every society is different - in the US it is money or philanthropy. I would argue that Lilly, Pritzker or Phipps families are far “posher” than Musk. But you’ve probably never heard of them…
In the UK it is lineage. The Beckhams are admired for what they have achieved as individuals. But no one has that much positive to say about the kids.
Its Musk
Outside major major political leaders he has greater actual power and higher social standing than any of them. And by a vast distance
The Habsburgs USED to have that. Now it is merely a quaint surname and a knowledge to leave the last waistcoat button, unbuttoned0 -
There is a series two.Benpointer said:
I like the fact that the iPlayer site lists The Hollow Crown as 'series 1'. Just wondering if Shakespeare is planning to do a series 2 anytime soon?TheScreamingEagles said:
No, this one.StillWaters said:
Is that the one with Rebecca Ferguson?TheScreamingEagles said:I think I am on a bit of a Shakespeare bender at the moment if you hadn't noticed.
Time for The Hollow Crown.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/b07bqgjn/the-hollow-crown?seriesId=p00s90hz
Click 'The War Of The Roses' next to series 1.1 -
FPT:
Yes it does if:Andy_JS said:
Why would a PM call a general election with local elections about to take place? Doesn't make any sense.rottenborough said:We couldn't be this lucky. Could we?
Pippa Crerar
@PippaCrerar
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1h
In a sign of how febrile the atmosphere in Westminster is just now, there have been wild rumours flying around today that Rishi Sunak is planning to finally call an election on Monday. Read on
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1783900006157615453
1. Your private polling suggests that your party is about to get reamed
2. Your Chief Whip tells you that after your party gets reamed, they are going to oust you
Pre-empt the Soviets and launch first...2 -
Actually there are two series - Wars of the Roses (lots of Henry 6th and then Richard 3rd).Benpointer said:
I like the fact that the iPlayer site lists The Hollow Crown as 'series 1'. Just wondering if Shakespeare is planning to do a series 2 anytime soon?TheScreamingEagles said:
No, this one.StillWaters said:
Is that the one with Rebecca Ferguson?TheScreamingEagles said:I think I am on a bit of a Shakespeare bender at the moment if you hadn't noticed.
Time for The Hollow Crown.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/b07bqgjn/the-hollow-crown?seriesId=p00s90hz0 -
Is it always desirable to be posh? Not sure it is.1
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Interesting evening canvass of 200 homes in one of our weaker areas - a small town in Oxfordshire. A lot of very solid Labour support with some genuine enthusiasm - we are not used to the chance of winning here so supporters were excited by the idea, rather than particularly about Starmer or policies. A further chunk were tactical anti-Tory vote who will go with whoever seems the main challenger. Around 25% said flatly "No" with varying degrees of politeness, and another 25% were doubtful or apathetic, but almost nobody explicitly said they were enthusiastic about any other party.
The usual entertaining encounters - one was the grand-daughter of Harold Wilson, another had just sent us £200, but two different people raised the "under Labour there was no money left" line, and one actually said "get off my land" in classic Tory style. Nobody mentioned Rayner, or Tory sleaze, or trans issues, or Gaza. One praised train nationalisation, but otherwise the burning issues of national politics seemed to have passed everyone by - people just want to remove the Tories and probably give Labour a try.4 -
Getting through to world leaders is about power, or maybe influence, not poshness.Leon said:
But it’s bollocks. Who can personally call Vlad Putin and expect an immediate reply? It’s not the 19th earl of Shropshire is it? Nor is it the PritzkersStillWaters said:
Poshness is just short hand for “someone who is broadly accepted to be in the top echelon of society”.Ratters said:
Is that not just a sign of the world in which there are far, far more rich Americans than there are rich, posh English? The newly rich from many countries may try to emulated 'posh', but Americans are far more brash with their wealth.Leon said:
No, I’m sorry, that’s wrongLuckyguy1983 said:@Leon
I don't think poshness is changing. Of course, social kudos is always changing - girls want to be instafamous now, they don't all dream of being Lady Diana Spencer. However, I think poshness is at it ever was. And indeed, the young lady at the centre of swirling rumours concerning the Wales's marriage, has nothing going for her that Kate doesn't (I think she's less good looking), except that she is firmly of the horsey upper class. The comfort zone of posh is posh.
Poshness means literally zero if it can’t be exercised to effect in the socio-political world
Class still matters of course (esp in the UK) - but once you’ve learned to speak RP and learned how to use a knife and say scone (like “gone”) and how to do all the other tiny things that bespeak social elevation then it fades away entirely these days. And, btw, it takes about 12 weeks to learn the social codes of English poshness if you really insist on doing it
Beyond that, what does it mean? Nothing. If someone met me and said in the second sentence “by the way I’m the 13th Duke of Lancashire” I’d think 1. That’s mildly interesting and 2. This person is a fucking twat
So how does he announce that he is socially
and - more importantly - where does this alleged superiority get him with me? Nowhere. It is positively counter productive for the personal reasons I’ve delineated (I’ve done more than him and been more places than him and earned more from my own brain than him, for sure)
What, then, is his poshness? How does it matter?
To me it doesn’t. To my daughters maybe yes a tiny bit (for marriage) but they’d be far better off marrying a Silicon Valley tech bro and they’d also be more engaged by that
There! I have my gazette article
POSHNESS IS OVER
Thanks (also I do really believe this)
But for Brits, in practice there are still a significant number of well paid areas where
the upper echelons are for the posh.
The solution of course is to ignore those
areas and make money somewhere they
don't care about 'poshness'. The posh will
become increasingly diminished even within
the UK.
Every society is different - in the US it is money or philanthropy. I would argue that Lilly, Pritzker or Phipps families are far “posher” than Musk. But you’ve probably never heard of them…
In the UK it is lineage. The Beckhams are admired for what they have achieved as individuals. But no one has that much positive to say about the kids.
Its Musk
Outside major major political leaders he has greater actual power and higher social standing than any of them. And by a vast distance
The Habsburgs USED to have that. Now it is merely a quaint surname and a knowledge to leave the last waistcoat button, unbuttoned0 -
Gospel Oak to Barking Riverside is to become the "Suffragette Line".TimS said:
The windrush line is fine, not cringe at all. It sounds like a rural steam railway in Hampshire.Sunil_Prasannan said:
If you liked that, you'll love that the combined East London* and South London** Lines will become the "Windrush Line".Leon said:
Oh god the cringe. No one will ever say that. I hopeSunil_Prasannan said:
The Euston to Watford service on the London Overground is due to be renamed "Lioness Line" later this year.Peter_the_Punter said:
* Highbury to West Croydon/Crystal Palace/New Cross
** Dalston Junction to Clapham Junction0 -
Yes, I sound like a cross between Adrian Chiles and Jasper Carrott. I'd rather sound like James Mason or Patrick Macnee.Andy_JS said:Is it always desirable to be posh? Not sure it is.
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I agree with about posh. But not your analysis of said lady, or at least the reason to do things with said lady. As a man you should surely understand that when one has women constantly throwing themselves at oneself it's practically ones duty to take a mistress or 500.Luckyguy1983 said:@Leon
I don't think poshness is changing. Of course, social kudos is always changing - girls want to be instafamous now, they don't all dream of being Lady Diana Spencer. However, I think poshness is at it ever was. And indeed, the young lady at the centre of swirling rumours concerning the Wales's marriage, has nothing going for her that Kate doesn't (I think she's less good looking), except that she is firmly of the horsey upper class. The comfort zone of posh is posh.0 -
The last five polls for Techne have been remarkably consistent (Con-Lab):stodge said:
It wasn't on target last month but we'll see how much of a silk purse can be made out of the various sows and ears around the great five pledges.londonpubman said:CPI for April due to be announced 15 or 22 May, could be on target 2%! Rishi will be aware of this and could use this in the campaign as a CON triumph 😈
Techne about the same as last think but a four point drop for the Conservatives with We Think. We Think 59-34, Techne 59-35 and the three most recent polls all have Labour leads back over 20 points.
Comparing the latest YouGov with the equivalent poll a week before the 2021 local elections the Conservatives are down 22, Labour up 12 and Reform up 10. This mirrors what we're seeing in other polls with the 2019 Conservative vote fragmenting equally between Labour and Reform.
23-44
22-45
23-44
22-45
23-44
Someone try to tell me there's a trend in that!0 -
Don't worry, while they will initially wage effective war, our bird flu will kill them all.viewcode said:Oh incidentally, large clusters of giant spiders have been spotted on Mars from satellites in orbit. There is no need to be alarmed. Honest
https://futurism.com/the-byte/orbiter-spots-spiders-surface-mars
(buys canned food and shotguns)
I've read the book and got the LP.3 -
I am very proud of my Yorkshire accent.Mexicanpete said:
Yes, I sound like a cross between Adrian Chiles and Jasper Carrott. I'd rather sound like James Mason or Patrick Macnee.Andy_JS said:Is it always desirable to be posh? Not sure it is.
I still get called a posh boy/aristo twat/toff by my friends.1 -
You describe an interesting phenomena that is probably a more useful term than "posh" these days for the reasons you give. But you don't get to redefine the original term. Come up with one of your own. That way you even get to name itLeon said:
Poshness means literally zero if it can’t be exercised to effect in the socio-political world 1 -
She is rather fab, loved her in the Mission: Impossible films.StillWaters said:
Half and half. Ferguson is her mother’s maiden name & she uses it as her stage nameviewcode said:
I found out the other day that she's Swedish. I thought she was EnglishStillWaters said:
You should watch this (and not just because it’s got Rebecca in it):TheScreamingEagles said:
No, this one.StillWaters said:
Is that the one with Rebecca Ferguson?TheScreamingEagles said:I think I am on a bit of a Shakespeare bender at the moment if you hadn't noticed.
Time for The Hollow Crown.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/b07bqgjn/the-hollow-crown?seriesId=p00s90hz
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2372220/mediaviewer/rm2803948800/?ft0=name&fv0=nm0272581&ft1=image_type&fv1=still_frame2 -
Last trip to Chequers for Sunak?
It's gotta be a sign that he is going there for the weekend.0 -
I agree with the sentiment but I think poshness has a specific connotation around specific social norms and behaviours.StillWaters said:
Poshness is just short hand for “someone who is broadly accepted to be in the top echelon of society”.Ratters said:
Is that not just a sign of the world in which there are far, far more rich Americans than there are rich, posh English? The newly rich from many countries may try to emulated 'posh', but Americans are far more brash with their wealth.Leon said:
No, I’m sorry, that’s wrongLuckyguy1983 said:@Leon
I don't think poshness is changing. Of course, social kudos is always changing - girls want to be instafamous now, they don't all dream of being Lady Diana Spencer. However, I think poshness is at it ever was. And indeed, the young lady at the centre of swirling rumours concerning the Wales's marriage, has nothing going for her that Kate doesn't (I think she's less good looking), except that she is firmly of the horsey upper class. The comfort zone of posh is posh.
Poshness means literally zero if it can’t be exercised to effect in the socio-political world
Class still matters of course (esp in the UK) - but once you’ve learned to speak RP and learned how to use a knife and say scone (like “gone”) and how to do all the other tiny things that bespeak social elevation then it fades away entirely these days. And, btw, it takes about 12 weeks to learn the social codes of English poshness if you really insist on doing it
Beyond that, what does it mean? Nothing. If someone met me and said in the second sentence “by the way I’m the 13th Duke of Lancashire” I’d think 1. That’s mildly interesting and 2. This person is a fucking twat
So how does he announce that he is socially
and - more importantly - where does this alleged superiority get him with me? Nowhere. It is positively counter productive for the personal reasons I’ve delineated (I’ve done more than him and been more places than him and earned more from my own brain than him, for sure)
What, then, is his poshness? How does it matter?
To me it doesn’t. To my daughters maybe yes a tiny bit (for marriage) but they’d be far better off marrying a Silicon Valley tech bro and they’d also be more engaged by that
There! I have my gazette article
POSHNESS IS OVER
Thanks (also I do really believe this)
But for Brits, in practice there are still a significant number of well paid areas where
the upper echelons are for the posh.
The solution of course is to ignore those
areas and make money somewhere they
don't care about 'poshness'. The posh will
become increasingly diminished even within
the UK.
Every society is different - in the US it is money or philanthropy. I would argue that Lilly, Pritzker or Phipps families are far “posher” than Musk. But you’ve probably never heard of them…
In the UK it is lineage. The Beckhams are admired for what they have achieved as individuals. But no one has that much positive to say about the kids.
What you term the top echelon is better described as 'the elite' than 'posh'. In the UK, the elite = posh for a long time, and still to this day to some extent. For the world as a whole it is not the case.
I'm sure there are lots of pros and cons of the different types of societal elite that I'll remain blissfully ignorant of.2 -
Hayley Atwell looked more OK than her in the latest instalment.TheScreamingEagles said:
She is rather fab, loved her in the Mission: Impossible films.StillWaters said:
Half and half. Ferguson is her mother’s maiden name & she uses it as her stage nameviewcode said:
I found out the other day that she's Swedish. I thought she was EnglishStillWaters said:
You should watch this (and not just because it’s got Rebecca in it):TheScreamingEagles said:
No, this one.StillWaters said:
Is that the one with Rebecca Ferguson?TheScreamingEagles said:I think I am on a bit of a Shakespeare bender at the moment if you hadn't noticed.
Time for The Hollow Crown.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/b07bqgjn/the-hollow-crown?seriesId=p00s90hz
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2372220/mediaviewer/rm2803948800/?ft0=name&fv0=nm0272581&ft1=image_type&fv1=still_frame0 -
Time must have a stop.Peter_the_Punter said:
Something rotten in the state of Downing Street?Theuniondivvie said:
Touch of the Earl of Southamptons?TheScreamingEagles said:I think I am on a bit of a Shakespeare bender at the moment if you hadn't noticed.
Time for The Hollow Crown.1 -
You shouldn't watch this, because even though it has got Rebecca Ferguson snd Aneurin Barnard in it, it is in common with all adaptations of Philippa Gregory's work unutterably shit.StillWaters said:
You should watch this (and not just because it’s got Rebecca in it):TheScreamingEagles said:
No, this one.StillWaters said:
Is that the one with Rebecca Ferguson?TheScreamingEagles said:I think I am on a bit of a Shakespeare bender at the moment if you hadn't noticed.
Time for The Hollow Crown.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/b07bqgjn/the-hollow-crown?seriesId=p00s90hz
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2372220/mediaviewer/rm2803948800/?ft0=name&fv0=nm0272581&ft1=image_type&fv1=still_frame0 -
I have no insider knowledge, but I can't see William being that much of a stud - there being no chance of the girl becoming a princess, and the tragic loss of his hair at such a young age.Dumbosaurus said:
I agree with about posh. But not your analysis of said lady, or at least the reason to do things with said lady. As a man you should surely understand that when one has women constantly throwing themselves at oneself it's practically ones duty to take a mistress or 500.Luckyguy1983 said:@Leon
I don't think poshness is changing. Of course, social kudos is always changing - girls want to be instafamous now, they don't all dream of being Lady Diana Spencer. However, I think poshness is at it ever was. And indeed, the young lady at the centre of swirling rumours concerning the Wales's marriage, has nothing going for her that Kate doesn't (I think she's less good looking), except that she is firmly of the horsey upper class. The comfort zone of posh is posh.0 -
We need a new word thenDecrepiterJohnL said:
Getting through to world leaders is about power, or maybe influence, not poshness.Leon said:
But it’s bollocks. Who can personally call Vlad Putin and expect an immediate reply? It’s not the 19th earl of Shropshire is it? Nor is it the PritzkersStillWaters said:
Poshness is just short hand for “someone who is broadly accepted to be in the top echelon of society”.Ratters said:
Is that not just a sign of the world in which there are far, far more rich Americans than there are rich, posh English? The newly rich from many countries may try to emulated 'posh', but Americans are far more brash with their wealth.Leon said:
No, I’m sorry, that’s wrongLuckyguy1983 said:@Leon
I don't think poshness is changing. Of course, social kudos is always changing - girls want to be instafamous now, they don't all dream of being Lady Diana Spencer. However, I think poshness is at it ever was. And indeed, the young lady at the centre of swirling rumours concerning the Wales's marriage, has nothing going for her that Kate doesn't (I think she's less good looking), except that she is firmly of the horsey upper class. The comfort zone of posh is posh.
Poshness means literally zero if it can’t be exercised to effect in the socio-political world
Class still matters of course (esp in the UK) - but once you’ve learned to speak RP and learned how to use a knife and say scone (like “gone”) and how to do all the other tiny things that bespeak social elevation then it fades away entirely these days. And, btw, it takes about 12 weeks to learn the social codes of English poshness if you really insist on doing it
Beyond that, what does it mean? Nothing. If someone met me and said in the second sentence “by the way I’m the 13th Duke of Lancashire” I’d think 1. That’s mildly interesting and 2. This person is a fucking twat
So how does he announce that he is socially
and - more importantly - where does this alleged superiority get him with me? Nowhere. It is positively counter productive for the personal reasons I’ve delineated (I’ve done more than him and been more places than him and earned more from my own brain than him, for sure)
What, then, is his poshness? How does it matter?
To me it doesn’t. To my daughters maybe yes a tiny bit (for marriage) but they’d be far better off marrying a Silicon Valley tech bro and they’d also be more engaged by that
There! I have my gazette article
POSHNESS IS OVER
Thanks (also I do really believe this)
But for Brits, in practice there are still a significant number of well paid areas where
the upper echelons are for the posh.
The solution of course is to ignore those
areas and make money somewhere they
don't care about 'poshness'. The posh will
become increasingly diminished even within
the UK.
Every society is different - in the US it is money or philanthropy. I would argue that Lilly, Pritzker or Phipps families are far “posher” than Musk. But you’ve probably never heard of them…
In the UK it is lineage. The Beckhams are admired for what they have achieved as individuals. But no one has that much positive to say about the kids.
Its Musk
Outside major major political leaders he has greater actual power and higher social standing than any of them. And by a vast distance
The Habsburgs USED to have that. Now it is merely a quaint surname and a knowledge to leave the last waistcoat button, unbuttoned
Because if poshness bestows little to zero social benefit on its owners then what is it? Maybe it becomes mere etiquette, and about as important. Not nothing, but not much either0 -
Yes, posh is different to political connections.Ratters said:
I agree with the sentiment but I think poshness has a specific connotation around specific social norms and behaviours.StillWaters said:
Poshness is just short hand for “someone who is broadly accepted to be in the top echelon of society”.Ratters said:
Is that not just a sign of the world in which there are far, far more rich Americans than there are rich, posh English? The newly rich from many countries may try to emulated 'posh', but Americans are far more brash with their wealth.Leon said:
No, I’m sorry, that’s wrongLuckyguy1983 said:@Leon
I don't think poshness is changing. Of course, social kudos is always changing - girls want to be instafamous now, they don't all dream of being Lady Diana Spencer. However, I think poshness is at it ever was. And indeed, the young lady at the centre of swirling rumours concerning the Wales's marriage, has nothing going for her that Kate doesn't (I think she's less good looking), except that she is firmly of the horsey upper class. The comfort zone of posh is posh.
Poshness means literally zero if it can’t be exercised to effect in the socio-political world
Class still matters of course (esp in the UK) - but once you’ve learned to speak RP and learned how to use a knife and say scone (like “gone”) and how to do all the other tiny things that bespeak social elevation then it fades away entirely these days. And, btw, it takes about 12 weeks to learn the social codes of English poshness if you really insist on doing it
Beyond that, what does it mean? Nothing. If someone met me and said in the second sentence “by the way I’m the 13th Duke of Lancashire” I’d think 1. That’s mildly interesting and 2. This person is a fucking twat
So how does he announce that he is socially
and - more importantly - where does this alleged superiority get him with me? Nowhere. It is positively counter productive for the personal reasons I’ve delineated (I’ve done more than him and been more places than him and earned more from my own brain than him, for sure)
What, then, is his poshness? How does it matter?
To me it doesn’t. To my daughters maybe yes a tiny bit (for marriage) but they’d be far better off marrying a Silicon Valley tech bro and they’d also be more engaged by that
There! I have my gazette article
POSHNESS IS OVER
Thanks (also I do really believe this)
But for Brits, in practice there are still a significant number of well paid areas where
the upper echelons are for the posh.
The solution of course is to ignore those
areas and make money somewhere they
don't care about 'poshness'. The posh will
become increasingly diminished even within
the UK.
Every society is different - in the US it is money or philanthropy. I would argue that Lilly, Pritzker or Phipps families are far “posher” than Musk. But you’ve probably never heard of them…
In the UK it is lineage. The Beckhams are admired for what they have achieved as individuals. But no one has that much positive to say about the kids.
What you term the top echelon is better described as 'the elite' than 'posh'. In the UK, the elite = posh for a long time, and still to this day to some extent. For the world as a whole it is not the case.
I'm sure there are lots of pros and cons of the different types of societal elite that I'll remain blissfully ignorant of.
The real paradox is that people who describe themselves as posh almost never are.0 -
It’s a tale told by an idiot.Peter_the_Punter said:Surely, TSE, the election will be called tomorrow.
And tomorrow, and tomorrow......1 -
Yeah we need a new wordDumbosaurus said:
You describe an interesting phenomena that is probably a more useful term than "posh" these days for the reasons you give. But you don't get to redefine the original term. Come up with one of your own. That way you even get to name itLeon said:
Poshness means literally zero if it can’t be exercised to effect in the socio-political world
Relatedly I am reading a brilliant biography of napoleon by Adam Zamoyski. The Corsican general who came from nowhere in an age of revolution….0 -
Night night PB!0
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Poshness is nothing to do with power.Leon said:
But it’s bollocks. Who can personally call Vlad Putin and expect an immediate reply? It’s not the 19th earl of Shropshire is it? Nor is it the PritzkersStillWaters said:
Poshness is just short hand for “someone who is broadly accepted to be in the top echelon of society”.Ratters said:
Is that not just a sign of the world in which there are far, far more rich Americans than there are rich, posh English? The newly rich from many countries may try to emulated 'posh', but Americans are far more brash with their wealth.Leon said:
No, I’m sorry, that’s wrongLuckyguy1983 said:@Leon
I don't think poshness is changing. Of course, social kudos is always changing - girls want to be instafamous now, they don't all dream of being Lady Diana Spencer. However, I think poshness is at it ever was. And indeed, the young lady at the centre of swirling rumours concerning the Wales's marriage, has nothing going for her that Kate doesn't (I think she's less good looking), except that she is firmly of the horsey upper class. The comfort zone of posh is posh.
Poshness means literally zero if it can’t be exercised to effect in the socio-political world
Class still matters of course (esp in the UK) - but once you’ve learned to speak RP and learned how to use a knife and say scone (like “gone”) and how to do all the other tiny things that bespeak social elevation then it fades away entirely these days. And, btw, it takes about 12 weeks to learn the social codes of English poshness if you really insist on doing it
Beyond that, what does it mean? Nothing. If someone met me and said in the second sentence “by the way I’m the 13th Duke of Lancashire” I’d think 1. That’s mildly interesting and 2. This person is a fucking twat
So how does he announce that he is socially
and - more importantly - where does this alleged superiority get him with me? Nowhere. It is positively counter productive for the personal reasons I’ve delineated (I’ve done more than him and been more places than him and earned more from my own brain than him, for sure)
What, then, is his poshness? How does it matter?
To me it doesn’t. To my daughters maybe yes a tiny bit (for marriage) but they’d be far better off marrying a Silicon Valley tech bro and they’d also be more engaged by that
There! I have my gazette article
POSHNESS IS OVER
Thanks (also I do really believe this)
But for Brits, in practice there are still a significant number of well paid areas where
the upper echelons are for the posh.
The solution of course is to ignore those
areas and make money somewhere they
don't care about 'poshness'. The posh will
become increasingly diminished even within
the UK.
Every society is different - in the US it is money or philanthropy. I would argue that Lilly, Pritzker or Phipps families are far “posher” than Musk. But you’ve probably never heard of them…
In the UK it is lineage. The Beckhams are admired for what they have achieved as individuals. But no one has that much positive to say about the kids.
Its Musk
Outside major major political leaders he has greater actual power and higher social standing than any of them. And by a vast distance
The Habsburgs USED to have that. Now it is merely a quaint surname and a knowledge to leave the last waistcoat button, unbuttoned
(And Musk will only get his calls returns so long as he is useful to Putin. That’s a supplicant relationship)2 -
If you want more Rebecca Ferguson she's the lead in Silo on Apple TV.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Hayley Atwell looked more OK than her in the latest instalment.TheScreamingEagles said:
She is rather fab, loved her in the Mission: Impossible films.StillWaters said:
Half and half. Ferguson is her mother’s maiden name & she uses it as her stage nameviewcode said:
I found out the other day that she's Swedish. I thought she was EnglishStillWaters said:
You should watch this (and not just because it’s got Rebecca in it):TheScreamingEagles said:
No, this one.StillWaters said:
Is that the one with Rebecca Ferguson?TheScreamingEagles said:I think I am on a bit of a Shakespeare bender at the moment if you hadn't noticed.
Time for The Hollow Crown.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/b07bqgjn/the-hollow-crown?seriesId=p00s90hz
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2372220/mediaviewer/rm2803948800/?ft0=name&fv0=nm0272581&ft1=image_type&fv1=still_frame0 -
Whereas that is cringe. The name needs to trip off the tongue. Suffragette is too forced. Like lioness. Whereas windrush just sounds like you’d expect a railway line to be.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Gospel Oak to Barking Riverside is to become the "Suffragette Line".TimS said:
The windrush line is fine, not cringe at all. It sounds like a rural steam railway in Hampshire.Sunil_Prasannan said:
If you liked that, you'll love that the combined East London* and South London** Lines will become the "Windrush Line".Leon said:
Oh god the cringe. No one will ever say that. I hopeSunil_Prasannan said:
The Euston to Watford service on the London Overground is due to be renamed "Lioness Line" later this year.Peter_the_Punter said:
* Highbury to West Croydon/Crystal Palace/New Cross
** Dalston Junction to Clapham Junction
Pankhurst line would be fine, so would Fawcett line.2 -
Confirmation of the Tory win from SNP in Angus.
https://www.angus.gov.uk/council_and_democracy/elections_and_voting/local_government_by_election_ward_6_arbroath_west_letham_and_friockheim/results1 -
Dirty Leeds now 3-0 down. Leicester will be back in the prem in around 15 mins.0
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I'm now a week into the walk and I'm sure you're all itching to hear the latest numbers
I've walked 402,017 steps so far, an average of 57,431 per day
276.44km - 39.49km per day
61 hours and 46 minutes of walking - 8 hours 49 minutes per day
If I don't get bitten by a venomous snake I might make it in twenty days
4 -
Utter bullshit. And stupid, as wellStillWaters said:
Poshness is nothing to do with power.Leon said:
But it’s bollocks. Who can personally call Vlad Putin and expect an immediate reply? It’s not the 19th earl of Shropshire is it? Nor is it the PritzkersStillWaters said:
Poshness is just short hand for “someone who is broadly accepted to be in the top echelon of society”.Ratters said:
Is that not just a sign of the world in which there are far, far more rich Americans than there are rich, posh English? The newly rich from many countries may try to emulated 'posh', but Americans are far more brash with their wealth.Leon said:
No, I’m sorry, that’s wrongLuckyguy1983 said:@Leon
I don't think poshness is changing. Of course, social kudos is always changing - girls want to be instafamous now, they don't all dream of being Lady Diana Spencer. However, I think poshness is at it ever was. And indeed, the young lady at the centre of swirling rumours concerning the Wales's marriage, has nothing going for her that Kate doesn't (I think she's less good looking), except that she is firmly of the horsey upper class. The comfort zone of posh is posh.
Poshness means literally zero if it can’t be exercised to effect in the socio-political world
Class still matters of course (esp in the UK) - but once you’ve learned to speak RP and learned how to use a knife and say scone (like “gone”) and how to do all the other tiny things that bespeak social elevation then it fades away entirely these days. And, btw, it takes about 12 weeks to learn the social codes of English poshness if you really insist on doing it
Beyond that, what does it mean? Nothing. If someone met me and said in the second sentence “by the way I’m the 13th Duke of Lancashire” I’d think 1. That’s mildly interesting and 2. This person is a fucking twat
So how does he announce that he is socially
and - more importantly - where does this alleged superiority get him with me? Nowhere. It is positively counter productive for the personal reasons I’ve delineated (I’ve done more than him and been more places than him and earned more from my own brain than him, for sure)
What, then, is his poshness? How does it matter?
To me it doesn’t. To my daughters maybe yes a tiny bit (for marriage) but they’d be far better off marrying a Silicon Valley tech bro and they’d also be more engaged by that
There! I have my gazette article
POSHNESS IS OVER
Thanks (also I do really believe this)
But for Brits, in practice there are still a significant number of well paid areas where
the upper echelons are for the posh.
The solution of course is to ignore those
areas and make money somewhere they
don't care about 'poshness'. The posh will
become increasingly diminished even within
the UK.
Every society is different - in the US it is money or philanthropy. I would argue that Lilly, Pritzker or Phipps families are far “posher” than Musk. But you’ve probably never heard of them…
In the UK it is lineage. The Beckhams are admired for what they have achieved as individuals. But no one has that much positive to say about the kids.
Its Musk
Outside major major political leaders he has greater actual power and higher social standing than any of them. And by a vast distance
The Habsburgs USED to have that. Now it is merely a quaint surname and a knowledge to leave the last waistcoat button, unbuttoned
(And Musk will only get his calls returns so long as he is useful to Putin. That’s a supplicant relationship)0 -
I disagree. The White Queen was a very enjoyable romp. It only had a tangential connection to history, but that doesn’t stop it being enjoying. Trying to keep track of all the characters gave my brain a work out.ydoethur said:
You shouldn't watch this, because even though it has got Rebecca Ferguson snd Aneurin Barnard in it, it is in common with all adaptations of Philippa Gregory's work unutterably shit.StillWaters said:
You should watch this (and not just because it’s got Rebecca in it):TheScreamingEagles said:
No, this one.StillWaters said:
Is that the one with Rebecca Ferguson?TheScreamingEagles said:I think I am on a bit of a Shakespeare bender at the moment if you hadn't noticed.
Time for The Hollow Crown.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/b07bqgjn/the-hollow-crown?seriesId=p00s90hz
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2372220/mediaviewer/rm2803948800/?ft0=name&fv0=nm0272581&ft1=image_type&fv1=still_frame
(Margaret Beaufort is one of those enigmas)
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Sure, but all that is beside the point of posh. If you're doing so well and your status is so high in the modern world, you shouldn't need that to be 'posh' - you should get on with your thing and just let the posh be irrelevantly posh.Leon said:
But it’s bollocks. Who can personally call Vlad Putin and expect an immediate reply? It’s not the 19th earl of Shropshire is it? Nor is it the PritzkersStillWaters said:
Poshness is just short hand for “someone who is broadly accepted to be in the top echelon of society”.Ratters said:
Is that not just a sign of the world in which there are far, far more rich Americans than there are rich, posh English? The newly rich from many countries may try to emulated 'posh', but Americans are far more brash with their wealth.Leon said:
No, I’m sorry, that’s wrongLuckyguy1983 said:@Leon
I don't think poshness is changing. Of course, social kudos is always changing - girls want to be instafamous now, they don't all dream of being Lady Diana Spencer. However, I think poshness is at it ever was. And indeed, the young lady at the centre of swirling rumours concerning the Wales's marriage, has nothing going for her that Kate doesn't (I think she's less good looking), except that she is firmly of the horsey upper class. The comfort zone of posh is posh.
Poshness means literally zero if it can’t be exercised to effect in the socio-political world
Class still matters of course (esp in the UK) - but once you’ve learned to speak RP and learned how to use a knife and say scone (like “gone”) and how to do all the other tiny things that bespeak social elevation then it fades away entirely these days. And, btw, it takes about 12 weeks to learn the social codes of English poshness if you really insist on doing it
Beyond that, what does it mean? Nothing. If someone met me and said in the second sentence “by the way I’m the 13th Duke of Lancashire” I’d think 1. That’s mildly interesting and 2. This person is a fucking twat
So how does he announce that he is socially
and - more importantly - where does this alleged superiority get him with me? Nowhere. It is positively counter productive for the personal reasons I’ve delineated (I’ve done more than him and been more places than him and earned more from my own brain than him, for sure)
What, then, is his poshness? How does it matter?
To me it doesn’t. To my daughters maybe yes a tiny bit (for marriage) but they’d be far better off marrying a Silicon Valley tech bro and they’d also be more engaged by that
There! I have my gazette article
POSHNESS IS OVER
Thanks (also I do really believe this)
But for Brits, in practice there are still a significant number of well paid areas where
the upper echelons are for the posh.
The solution of course is to ignore those
areas and make money somewhere they
don't care about 'poshness'. The posh will
become increasingly diminished even within
the UK.
Every society is different - in the US it is money or philanthropy. I would argue that Lilly, Pritzker or Phipps families are far “posher” than Musk. But you’ve probably never heard of them…
In the UK it is lineage. The Beckhams are admired for what they have achieved as individuals. But no one has that much positive to say about the kids.
Its Musk
Outside major major political leaders he has greater actual power and higher social standing than any of them. And by a vast distance
The Habsburgs USED to have that. Now it is merely a quaint surname and a knowledge to leave the last waistcoat button, unbuttoned0 -
The characters were badly written.StillWaters said:
I disagree. The White Queen was a very enjoyable romp. It only had a tangential connection to history, but that doesn’t stop it being enjoying. Trying to keep track of all the characters gave my brain a work out.ydoethur said:
You shouldn't watch this, because even though it has got Rebecca Ferguson snd Aneurin Barnard in it, it is in common with all adaptations of Philippa Gregory's work unutterably shit.StillWaters said:
You should watch this (and not just because it’s got Rebecca in it):TheScreamingEagles said:
No, this one.StillWaters said:
Is that the one with Rebecca Ferguson?TheScreamingEagles said:I think I am on a bit of a Shakespeare bender at the moment if you hadn't noticed.
Time for The Hollow Crown.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/b07bqgjn/the-hollow-crown?seriesId=p00s90hz
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2372220/mediaviewer/rm2803948800/?ft0=name&fv0=nm0272581&ft1=image_type&fv1=still_frame
(Margaret Beaufort is one of those enigmas)
The dialogue was egregious.
The plotting was pathetic.
The sets were so badly prepared they were full of comical goofs.
The direction was inept.
The acting was indifferent.
Apart from those minor details, it was perfectly OK.1 -
It has social benefit. It’s the entry to a world where people are relaxed in each other’s company, never worry about money and have nothing to prove.Leon said:
We need a new word thenDecrepiterJohnL said:Leon said:
But it’s bollocks. Who can personally call Vlad Putin and expect an immediate reply? It’s not the 19th earl of Shropshire is it? Nor is it the PritzkersStillWaters said:
Poshness is just short hand for “someone who is broadly accepted to be in the top echelon of society”.Ratters said:
Is that not just a sign of the world in which there are far, far more rich Americans than there are rich, posh English? The newly rich from many countries may try to emulated 'posh', but Americans are far more brash with their wealth.Leon said:
No, I’m sorry, that’s wrongLuckyguy1983 said:@Leon
I don't think poshness is changing. Of course, social kudos is always changing - girls want to be instafamous now, they don't all dream of being Lady Diana Spencer. However, I think poshness is at it ever was. And indeed, the young lady at the centre of swirling rumours concerning the Wales's marriage, has nothing going for her that Kate doesn't (I think she's less good looking), except that she is firmly of the horsey upper class. The comfort zone of posh is posh.
Poshness means literally zero if it can’t be exercised to effect in the socio-political world
Class still matters of course (esp in the UK) - but once you’ve learned to speak RP and learned how to use a knife and say scone (like “gone”) and how to do all the other tiny things that bespeak social elevation then it fades away entirely these days. And, btw, it takes about 12 weeks to learn the social codes of English poshness if you really insist on doing it
Beyond that, what does it mean? Nothing. If someone met me and said in the second sentence “by the way I’m the 13th Duke of Lancashire” I’d think 1. That’s mildly interesting and 2. This person is a fucking twat
So how does he announce that he is socially
and - more importantly - where does this alleged superiority get him with me? Nowhere. It is positively counter productive for the personal reasons I’ve delineated (I’ve done more than him and been more places than him and earned more from my own brain than him, for sure)
What, then, is his poshness? How does it matter?
To me it doesn’t. To my daughters maybe yes a tiny bit (for marriage) but they’d be far better off marrying a Silicon Valley tech bro and they’d also be more engaged by that
There! I have my gazette article
POSHNESS IS OVER
Thanks (also I do really believe this)
But for Brits, in practice there are still a significant number of well paid areas where
the upper echelons are for the posh.
The solution of course is to ignore those
areas and make money somewhere they
don't care about 'poshness'. The posh will
become increasingly diminished even within
the UK.
Every society is different - in the US it is money or philanthropy. I would argue that Lilly, Pritzker or Phipps families are far “posher” than Musk. But you’ve probably never heard of them…
In the UK it is lineage. The Beckhams are admired for what they have achieved as individuals. But no one has that much positive to say about the kids.
Its Musk
Outside major major political leaders he has greater actual power and higher social standing than any of them. And by a vast distance
The Habsburgs USED to have that. Now it is merely a quaint surname and a knowledge to leave the last waistcoat button, unbuttoned
Getting through to world leaders is about power, or maybe influence, not poshness.
Because if poshness bestows little to zero social benefit on its owners then what is it? Maybe it becomes mere etiquette, and about as important. Not nothing, but not much either
That’s not power, or fame, access, or wealth. It’s “an England at ease with itself”
0 -
I don't think the previous independent incumbent was a secret nat..Andy_JS said:Confirmation of the Tory win from SNP in Angus.
https://www.angus.gov.uk/council_and_democracy/elections_and_voting/local_government_by_election_ward_6_arbroath_west_letham_and_friockheim/results2 -
Who gives a fuck about miserable old EnglandStillWaters said:
It has social benefit. It’s the entry to a world where people are relaxed in each other’s company, never worry about money and have nothing to prove.Leon said:
We need a new word thenDecrepiterJohnL said:Leon said:
But it’s bollocks. Who can personally call Vlad Putin and expect an immediate reply? It’s not the 19th earl of Shropshire is it? Nor is it the PritzkersStillWaters said:
Poshness is just short hand for “someone who is broadly accepted to be in the top echelon of society”.Ratters said:
Is that not just a sign of the world in which there are far, far more rich Americans than there are rich, posh English? The newly rich from many countries may try to emulated 'posh', but Americans are far more brash with their wealth.Leon said:
No, I’m sorry, that’s wrongLuckyguy1983 said:@Leon
I don't think poshness is changing. Of course, social kudos is always changing - girls want to be instafamous now, they don't all dream of being Lady Diana Spencer. However, I think poshness is at it ever was. And indeed, the young lady at the centre of swirling rumours concerning the Wales's marriage, has nothing going for her that Kate doesn't (I think she's less good looking), except that she is firmly of the horsey upper class. The comfort zone of posh is posh.
Poshness means literally zero if it can’t be exercised to effect in the socio-political world
Class still matters of course (esp in the UK) - but once you’ve learned to speak RP and learned how to use a knife and say scone (like “gone”) and how to do all the other tiny things that bespeak social elevation then it fades away entirely these days. And, btw, it takes about 12 weeks to learn the social codes of English poshness if you really insist on doing it
Beyond that, what does it mean? Nothing. If someone met me and said in the second sentence “by the way I’m the 13th Duke of Lancashire” I’d think 1. That’s mildly interesting and 2. This person is a fucking twat
So how does he announce that he is socially
and - more importantly - where does this alleged superiority get him with me? Nowhere. It is positively counter productive for the personal reasons I’ve delineated (I’ve done more than him and been more places than him and earned more from my own brain than him, for sure)
What, then, is his poshness? How does it matter?
To me it doesn’t. To my daughters maybe yes a tiny bit (for marriage) but they’d be far better off marrying a Silicon Valley tech bro and they’d also be more engaged by that
There! I have my gazette article
POSHNESS IS OVER
Thanks (also I do really believe this)
But for Brits, in practice there are still a significant number of well paid areas where
the upper echelons are for the posh.
The solution of course is to ignore those
areas and make money somewhere they
don't care about 'poshness'. The posh will
become increasingly diminished even within
the UK.
Every society is different - in the US it is money or philanthropy. I would argue that Lilly, Pritzker or Phipps families are far “posher” than Musk. But you’ve probably never heard of them…
In the UK it is lineage. The Beckhams are admired for what they have achieved as individuals. But no one has that much positive to say about the kids.
Its Musk
Outside major major political leaders he has greater actual power and higher social standing than any of them. And by a vast distance
The Habsburgs USED to have that. Now it is merely a quaint surname and a knowledge to leave the last waistcoat button, unbuttoned
Getting through to world leaders is about power, or maybe influence, not poshness.
Because if poshness bestows little to zero social benefit on its owners then what is it? Maybe it becomes mere etiquette, and about as important. Not nothing, but not much either
That’s not power, or fame, access, or wealth. It’s “an England at ease with itself”0 -
I know. I wouldn’t want to be Musk either.Leon said:
Utter bullshit. And stupid, as wellStillWaters said:
Poshness is nothing to do with power.Leon said:
But it’s bollocks. Who can personally call Vlad Putin and expect an immediate reply? It’s not the 19th earl of Shropshire is it? Nor is it the PritzkersStillWaters said:
Poshness is just short hand for “someone who is broadly accepted to be in the top echelon of society”.Ratters said:
Is that not just a sign of the world in which there are far, far more rich Americans than there are rich, posh English? The newly rich from many countries may try to emulated 'posh', but Americans are far more brash with their wealth.Leon said:
No, I’m sorry, that’s wrongLuckyguy1983 said:@Leon
I don't think poshness is changing. Of course, social kudos is always changing - girls want to be instafamous now, they don't all dream of being Lady Diana Spencer. However, I think poshness is at it ever was. And indeed, the young lady at the centre of swirling rumours concerning the Wales's marriage, has nothing going for her that Kate doesn't (I think she's less good looking), except that she is firmly of the horsey upper class. The comfort zone of posh is posh.
Poshness means literally zero if it can’t be exercised to effect in the socio-political world
Class still matters of course (esp in the UK) - but once you’ve learned to speak RP and learned how to use a knife and say scone (like “gone”) and how to do all the other tiny things that bespeak social elevation then it fades away entirely these days. And, btw, it takes about 12 weeks to learn the social codes of English poshness if you really insist on doing it
Beyond that, what does it mean? Nothing. If someone met me and said in the second sentence “by the way I’m the 13th Duke of Lancashire” I’d think 1. That’s mildly interesting and 2. This person is a fucking twat
So how does he announce that he is socially
and - more importantly - where does this alleged superiority get him with me? Nowhere. It is positively counter productive for the personal reasons I’ve delineated (I’ve done more than him and been more places than him and earned more from my own brain than him, for sure)
What, then, is his poshness? How does it matter?
To me it doesn’t. To my daughters maybe yes a tiny bit (for marriage) but they’d be far better off marrying a Silicon Valley tech bro and they’d also be more engaged by that
There! I have my gazette article
POSHNESS IS OVER
Thanks (also I do really believe this)
But for Brits, in practice there are still a significant number of well paid areas where
the upper echelons are for the posh.
The solution of course is to ignore those
areas and make money somewhere they
don't care about 'poshness'. The posh will
become increasingly diminished even within
the UK.
Every society is different - in the US it is money or philanthropy. I would argue that Lilly, Pritzker or Phipps families are far “posher” than Musk. But you’ve probably never heard of them…
In the UK it is lineage. The Beckhams are admired for what they have achieved as individuals. But no one has that much positive to say about the kids.
Its Musk
Outside major major political leaders he has greater actual power and higher social standing than any of them. And by a vast distance
The Habsburgs USED to have that. Now it is merely a quaint surname and a
knowledge to leave the last waistcoat button, unbuttoned
(And Musk will only get his calls returns so long as he is useful to Putin. That’s a supplicant relationship)
1 -
I will be delighted to go up with Ipswich. They have done amazingly well to be in the running for back to back promotions on a shoestring. Good to watch too.ThomasNashe said:Dirty Leeds now 3-0 down. Leicester will be back in the prem in around 15 mins.
WBA go up in the playoffs I reckon. Best side I have seen us play this season.2 -
Are you “traditionally posh”? Public school, good surname, etc?StillWaters said:
I know. I wouldn’t want to be Musk either.Leon said:
Utter bullshit. And stupid, as wellStillWaters said:
Poshness is nothing to do with power.Leon said:
But it’s bollocks. Who can personally call Vlad Putin and expect an immediate reply? It’s not the 19th earl of Shropshire is it? Nor is it the PritzkersStillWaters said:
Poshness is just short hand for “someone who is broadly accepted to be in the top echelon of society”.Ratters said:
Is that not just a sign of the world in which there are far, far more rich Americans than there are rich, posh English? The newly rich from many countries may try to emulated 'posh', but Americans are far more brash with their wealth.Leon said:
No, I’m sorry, that’s wrongLuckyguy1983 said:@Leon
I don't think poshness is changing. Of course, social kudos is always changing - girls want to be instafamous now, they don't all dream of being Lady Diana Spencer. However, I think poshness is at it ever was. And indeed, the young lady at the centre of swirling rumours concerning the Wales's marriage, has nothing going for her that Kate doesn't (I think she's less good looking), except that she is firmly of the horsey upper class. The comfort zone of posh is posh.
Poshness means literally zero if it can’t be exercised to effect in the socio-political world
Class still matters of course (esp in the UK) - but once you’ve learned to speak RP and learned how to use a knife and say scone (like “gone”) and how to do all the other tiny things that bespeak social elevation then it fades away entirely these days. And, btw, it takes about 12 weeks to learn the social codes of English poshness if you really insist on doing it
Beyond that, what does it mean? Nothing. If someone met me and said in the second sentence “by the way I’m the 13th Duke of Lancashire” I’d think 1. That’s mildly interesting and 2. This person is a fucking twat
So how does he announce that he is socially
and - more importantly - where does this alleged superiority get him with me? Nowhere. It is positively counter productive for the personal reasons I’ve delineated (I’ve done more than him and been more places than him and earned more from my own brain than him, for sure)
What, then, is his poshness? How does it matter?
To me it doesn’t. To my daughters maybe yes a tiny bit (for marriage) but they’d be far better off marrying a Silicon Valley tech bro and they’d also be more engaged by that
There! I have my gazette article
POSHNESS IS OVER
Thanks (also I do really believe this)
But for Brits, in practice there are still a significant number of well paid areas where
the upper echelons are for the posh.
The solution of course is to ignore those
areas and make money somewhere they
don't care about 'poshness'. The posh will
become increasingly diminished even within
the UK.
Every society is different - in the US it is money or philanthropy. I would argue that Lilly, Pritzker or Phipps families are far “posher” than Musk. But you’ve probably never heard of them…
In the UK it is lineage. The Beckhams are admired for what they have achieved as individuals. But no one has that much positive to say about the kids.
Its Musk
Outside major major political leaders he has greater actual power and higher social standing than any of them. And by a vast distance
The Habsburgs USED to have that. Now it is merely a quaint surname and a
knowledge to leave the last waistcoat button, unbuttoned
(And Musk will only get his calls returns so long as he is useful to Putin. That’s a supplicant relationship)
I’m not, I happily admit. You?0 -
You are denying it because you don’t understand it. You feel excluded and insecure about it. You envy and fear it. It’s an ineffable sense of being. It’s like obscenity: you can’t define it but you know when you see it.Leon said:
Who gives a fuck about miserable old EnglandStillWaters said:
It has social benefit. It’s the entry to a world where people are relaxed in each other’s company, never worry about money and have nothing to prove.Leon said:
We need a new word thenDecrepiterJohnL said:Leon said:
But it’s bollocks. Who can personally call Vlad Putin and expect an immediate reply? It’s not the 19th earl of Shropshire is it? Nor is it the PritzkersStillWaters said:
Poshness is just short hand for “someone who is broadly accepted to be in the top echelon of society”.Ratters said:
Is that not just a sign of the world in which there are far, far more rich Americans than there are rich, posh English? The newly rich from many countries may try to emulated 'posh', but Americans are far more brash with their wealth.Leon said:
No, I’m sorry, that’s wrongLuckyguy1983 said:@Leon
I don't think poshness is changing. Of course, social kudos is always changing - girls want to be instafamous now, they don't all dream of being Lady Diana Spencer. However, I think poshness is at it ever was. And indeed, the young lady at the centre of swirling rumours concerning the Wales's marriage, has nothing going for her that Kate doesn't (I think she's less good looking), except that she is firmly of the horsey upper class. The comfort zone of posh is posh.
Poshness means literally zero if it can’t be exercised to effect in the socio-political world
Class still matters of course (esp in the UK) - but once you’ve learned to speak RP and learned how to use a knife and say scone (like “gone”) and how to do all the other tiny things that bespeak social elevation then it fades away entirely these days. And, btw, it takes about 12 weeks to learn the social codes of English poshness if you really insist on doing it
Beyond that, what does it mean? Nothing. If someone met me and said in the second sentence “by the way I’m the 13th Duke of Lancashire” I’d think 1. That’s mildly interesting and 2. This person is a fucking twat
So how does he announce that he is socially
and - more importantly - where does this alleged superiority get him with me? Nowhere. It is positively counter productive for the personal reasons I’ve delineated (I’ve done more than him and been more places than him and earned more from my own brain than him, for sure)
What, then, is his poshness? How does it matter?
To me it doesn’t. To my daughters maybe yes a tiny bit (for marriage) but they’d be far better off marrying a Silicon Valley tech bro and they’d also be more engaged by that
There! I have my gazette article
POSHNESS IS OVER
Thanks (also I do really believe this)
But for Brits, in practice there are still a significant number of well paid areas where
the upper echelons are for the posh.
The solution of course is to ignore those
areas and make money somewhere they
don't care about 'poshness'. The posh will
become increasingly diminished even within
the UK.
Every society is different - in the US it is money or philanthropy. I would argue that Lilly, Pritzker or Phipps families are far “posher” than Musk. But you’ve probably never heard of them…
In the UK it is lineage. The Beckhams are admired for what they have achieved as individuals. But no one has that much positive to say about the kids.
Its Musk
Outside major major political leaders he has greater actual power and higher social standing than any of them. And by a vast distance
The Habsburgs USED to have that. Now it is merely a quaint surname and a knowledge to leave the last waistcoat button, unbuttoned
Getting through to world leaders is about power, or maybe influence, not poshness.
Because if poshness bestows little to zero social benefit on its owners then what is it? Maybe it becomes mere etiquette, and about as important. Not nothing, but not much either
That’s not power, or fame, access, or wealth. It’s “an England at ease with itself”2
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