What’s this going to do to the May results? – politicalbetting.com
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...presumably ever since your previous confident assertion that it was going to be 2nd May became impossible?BatteryCorrectHorse said:
I am confident it will be in June or July and have been for some weeks.Scott_xP said:@AnushkaAsthana
Most folk in Downing Street and CCHQ will still make argument for an Autumn election- but sources tell me some v senior folk have made argument for alternative- calling it immediately after locals and holding on July 42 -
Mistakes like that are a bit of a damp squidturbotubbs said:
Never knew that one was wrong. PB as always an education!SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Your breath may well be baited. If so, I'd advise buying some mints. The rest of as wait with bated breath.turbotubbs said:
So if that is the advice she has been given, publish it. We wait with baited breath…eek said:https://twitter.com/nearlylegal/status/1778842021211353150
Unfortunately
@GuidoFawkes
doesn’t understand the 5 year rule on disposal of RTB property. Whether the person was living there is irrelevant. It is only about selling within the first 5 years. This is really embarrassing stuff.
So there are 3 arguments
The tax which is a minor amount and up to HMRC (probably time limited anyway)
The election fraud which again is timed served if it existed
Moving out of the property early which seems to be a none story2 -
It isn't if you include penalties and the like. Her career is on the line....Sunil_Prasannan said:
[Boris voice] Chickenfeed!eek said:
I said minor amount because the maximum amount owed is £1500Donkeys said:
Ouch - embarrassing for Staines. I wonder how often he meets people who ever lived in council houses.eek said:https://twitter.com/nearlylegal/status/1778842021211353150
Unfortunately
@GuidoFawkes
doesn’t understand the 5 year rule on disposal of RTB property. Whether the person was living there is irrelevant. It is only about selling within the first 5 years. This is really embarrassing stuff.
So there are 3 arguments
The tax which is a minor amount and up to HMRC (probably time limited anyway)
The election fraud which again is timed served if it existed
Moving out of the property early which seems to be a none story
How can Rayner have committed election fraud when the two houses were in the same constituency?
"Minor amount" doesn't sound good politically though.0 -
Yeah indeed, I didn't say my predictions were reliable! I've never been particularly sure about an election at the end of the yearBenpointer said:
...presumably ever since your previous confident assertion that it was going to be 2nd May became impossible?BatteryCorrectHorse said:
I am confident it will be in June or July and have been for some weeks.Scott_xP said:@AnushkaAsthana
Most folk in Downing Street and CCHQ will still make argument for an Autumn election- but sources tell me some v senior folk have made argument for alternative- calling it immediately after locals and holding on July 4
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Evening all
YouGov 60-34, Techne 59-35 so not much change.
I presume YouGov prompts for Reform but even so it's another strong poll for Tice's party. The headline swing from Conservative to Labour is an eyewatering 19.5% - Techne's is 17%
The YouGov England sub sample is Labour 46%, Conservative 19%, Reform 16%, LDs 9% and Greens 8%. That means the Conservaties are down 28 and Labour up 12 so that's a 20% swing. The Con-LD swing is 15%. The regional sub samples confirm the strength of Reform outside London (just 6%).
The 2019 Conservative vote splits 33% Conservative, 23% Reform, 21% DK and 10% Labour. The Don't Knows amount for about 9% of the total electorate so not insignificant.0 -
On a lighter note, why do Tory PMs have a problem with footwear? Sunak being slagged off for wearing brand new Adidas trainers with his work clothes is the latest of several issues he has faced, while in the past Cameron was mocked for wearing black work shoes with his holiday garb while taking a break in Portugal.0
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Who cares?SandyRentool said:On a lighter note, why do Tory PMs have a problem with footwear? Sunak being slagged off for wearing brand new Adidas trainers with his work clothes is the latest of several issues he has faced, while in the past Cameron was mocked for wearing black work shoes with his holiday garb while taking a break in Portugal.
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Will she still be supporting those ghouls who hang about outside abortion clinics at that point?Burgessian said:
It's going quite well for Kate Forbes. She missed a bullet at the leadership election and now has the happy prospect of the party turning to her when the Humza regime finally implodes. She'll most likely take over when the SNP are ejected from Govt at the next Holyrood elections. So a few years to wait which probably suits her given her family commitments.Fairliered said:
Or an SNP not in love with the Greens or tholed to Central Belt politicians. Someone like Alex Salmond or Kate Forbes could do the job. The Yousaf, Sturgeon arseholes, not so much. The SNP need to get rid of their current leadership as much as the Tories need to get rid of theirs.Burgessian said:
The A9 and A96 (Inverness to Aberdeen), along with the ferries, have become totemic issues in the North.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have travelled that road for over 60 years and it is a disgrace on Scotland's governments that the A9 is not dualled all the wayLuckyguy1983 said:
North Scotland has never been pleased?Big_G_NorthWales said:
It was ever thusDavidL said:
The SNP are paying a price for kissing the Greens' , well, behind, in respect of not dualling the A9. North Scotland is not pleased.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thank youBurgessian said:
@Big_G_NorthWales Not sure TBH. He was endorsed by the existing Independent councillor which will have helped.Big_G_NorthWales said:
As a matter of interest how would you describe the independent candidate politically ?Burgessian said:On matters Scotch not sure if it's been already mentioned but Humza's run of council by-election fails has continued. And this time it was in a ward the SNP really should have won - Inverness South - in Drew Hendry's seat. LibDems surged past them, although an Independent actually won.
I had thought Hendry's seat, Inverness, Skye & Wester Ross, would be an SNP banker at the GE (one of the few), but I'm not so sure now. If the LibDems can persuade unionists they are the main challengers it could be close. There is a real sense that the Highlands are being neglected by ScotGov and its quite possible the voters will wreak some kind of vengeance. That said, I would still put Hendry as favourite, as I don't think the Tory vote will crumble to the extent it would need to. But remember, up til 2015 this area was represented by Danny Alexander and Charles Kennedy.
This is the actual result (First Prefs):
Ind 22.1 % ( new Indy)
LD 19.7% (+11.1)
SNP 19.4% (-15.8)
Con 16.1% (-0.8)
Lab 11% (+3.7)
Green 7.2% (+1.8)
Alba 3.2% (+1.3)
Sov 1.2% ( new)
And this is the result if you take out the Independent and add his second prefs to the parties - makes it even worse for SNP:
Lib Dem 856 25.9% +12.0%
SNP 695 21.0% -20.0%
Conservative 650 19.7% -2.3%
Labour 447 13.5% +3.8%
Green 272 8.2% +1.4%
Alba 135 4.1% +1.8%
Sovereignty 66 2.0% New
Non-transferrable 184 5.6% +1.3%
Quite a detailed preview of the by-election here. "Lean SNP" was the forecast.
https://ballotbox.scot/preview-inverness-south/
And after that, there's the social conservatism of the region to consider, and its reliance on oil and gas. Tough one for SNP candidates. They'll really need independence to become salient again.1 -
Stick with it - you'll be right eventually!BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Yeah indeed, I didn't say my predictions were reliable! I've never been particularly sure about an election at the end of the yearBenpointer said:
...presumably ever since your previous confident assertion that it was going to be 2nd May became impossible?BatteryCorrectHorse said:
I am confident it will be in June or July and have been for some weeks.Scott_xP said:@AnushkaAsthana
Most folk in Downing Street and CCHQ will still make argument for an Autumn election- but sources tell me some v senior folk have made argument for alternative- calling it immediately after locals and holding on July 4
For what it's worth I predicted 2nd May too. Now I'd guess 12 December - five years since the previous election.0 -
Why are you not convinced of July?Benpointer said:
Stick with it - you'll be right eventually!BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Yeah indeed, I didn't say my predictions were reliable! I've never been particularly sure about an election at the end of the yearBenpointer said:
...presumably ever since your previous confident assertion that it was going to be 2nd May became impossible?BatteryCorrectHorse said:
I am confident it will be in June or July and have been for some weeks.Scott_xP said:@AnushkaAsthana
Most folk in Downing Street and CCHQ will still make argument for an Autumn election- but sources tell me some v senior folk have made argument for alternative- calling it immediately after locals and holding on July 4
For what it's worth I predicted 2nd May too. Now I'd guess 12 December - five years since the previous election.
I think the locals will be terrible but not as terrible as people think and Sunak will think it's now or never.0 -
Evening all.0
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An *interesting* finding about the scope of Due Process protection,
https://ballsandstrikes.org/legal-culture/louisiana-supreme-court-church-abuse-case/
When you think of the Due Process Clause of the Constitution, which says that no one shall be “deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law,” what rights do you imagine this language protecting? Perhaps the right not to be imprisoned by the government without a fair trial, or the right to be free of unjustified police confiscations of your belongings. According to a 4-3 Louisiana Supreme Court majority in Bienvenu v. Diocese of Lafayette, though, a due process right you may have failed to consider is the right of priests and their enablers not to be held accountable by victims of their sexual abuse.
Over the course of years in the 1970s, several boys between the ages of eight and fourteen in St. Martinville, Louisiana, were repeatedly sexually assaulted by their parish priest, suffering serious physical and emotional trauma. Like most child sexual abuse survivors, they did not disclose the abuse until they were in their fifties and sixties. Recognizing the developmental and emotional difficulties preventing survivors from disclosing childhood abuse, in 2021, the Louisiana legislature unanimously passed the Louisiana Child Victims Act, which provided a three-year “look-back window” allowing survivors to file lawsuits that would otherwise be barred by the statute of limitations. The law, versions of which have been passed in about half of states, finally allowed the St. Martinville survivors to sue the church and diocese that harbored their abuser.
Enter the Louisiana Supreme Court. In an opinion written by Justice James Genovese and published on March 22, the court found an absolute property right in the institutions’ right not to be sued. The Louisiana Child Victims Act, wrote Genovese, “cannot be retroactively applied to revive plaintiffs’ prescribed causes of action,” since that would “divest defendants of their vested right to plead prescription”—to defend themselves by asserting that the statute of limitations had run…0 -
I think he might see an improving economy as a reason not to go before the autumn. Plus everyday in power is a day in power. Gonna be a long haul in opposition.BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Why are you not convinced of July?Benpointer said:
Stick with it - you'll be right eventually!BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Yeah indeed, I didn't say my predictions were reliable! I've never been particularly sure about an election at the end of the yearBenpointer said:
...presumably ever since your previous confident assertion that it was going to be 2nd May became impossible?BatteryCorrectHorse said:
I am confident it will be in June or July and have been for some weeks.Scott_xP said:@AnushkaAsthana
Most folk in Downing Street and CCHQ will still make argument for an Autumn election- but sources tell me some v senior folk have made argument for alternative- calling it immediately after locals and holding on July 4
For what it's worth I predicted 2nd May too. Now I'd guess 12 December - five years since the previous election.
I think the locals will be terrible but not as terrible as people think and Sunak will think it's now or never.0 -
For some people, it's the sole topic of conversation.BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Who cares?SandyRentool said:On a lighter note, why do Tory PMs have a problem with footwear? Sunak being slagged off for wearing brand new Adidas trainers with his work clothes is the latest of several issues he has faced, while in the past Cameron was mocked for wearing black work shoes with his holiday garb while taking a break in Portugal.
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Yeah but why does it matter?ydoethur said:
For some people, it's the sole topic of conversation.BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Who cares?SandyRentool said:On a lighter note, why do Tory PMs have a problem with footwear? Sunak being slagged off for wearing brand new Adidas trainers with his work clothes is the latest of several issues he has faced, while in the past Cameron was mocked for wearing black work shoes with his holiday garb while taking a break in Portugal.
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Perhaps it's the upper limit of their imagination?BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Yeah but why does it matter?ydoethur said:
For some people, it's the sole topic of conversation.BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Who cares?SandyRentool said:On a lighter note, why do Tory PMs have a problem with footwear? Sunak being slagged off for wearing brand new Adidas trainers with his work clothes is the latest of several issues he has faced, while in the past Cameron was mocked for wearing black work shoes with his holiday garb while taking a break in Portugal.
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The last time there was a sub 10% Labour poll lead was 26 September 2022 (4% Kantar) - when Liz Truss was PM. Just saying0
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Sounds like cobblers to me.ydoethur said:
Perhaps it's the upper limit of their imagination?BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Yeah but why does it matter?ydoethur said:
For some people, it's the sole topic of conversation.BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Who cares?SandyRentool said:On a lighter note, why do Tory PMs have a problem with footwear? Sunak being slagged off for wearing brand new Adidas trainers with his work clothes is the latest of several issues he has faced, while in the past Cameron was mocked for wearing black work shoes with his holiday garb while taking a break in Portugal.
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I think he's saying you should put a sock in talking about itydoethur said:
For some people, it's the sole topic of conversation.BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Who cares?SandyRentool said:On a lighter note, why do Tory PMs have a problem with footwear? Sunak being slagged off for wearing brand new Adidas trainers with his work clothes is the latest of several issues he has faced, while in the past Cameron was mocked for wearing black work shoes with his holiday garb while taking a break in Portugal.
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Kari Lake embraces the principle behind Roe v Wade.
Once a cheerleader for Arizona’s "great law" prohibiting abortion, Kari Lake now singing a different tune, labeling it a "personal and private issue."
https://twitter.com/Morning_Joe/status/1778780447557775496
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This thread is now laced with bad shoe puns as people try feebly to copy me.CatMan said:
I think he's saying you should put a sock in talking about itydoethur said:
For some people, it's the sole topic of conversation.BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Who cares?SandyRentool said:On a lighter note, why do Tory PMs have a problem with footwear? Sunak being slagged off for wearing brand new Adidas trainers with his work clothes is the latest of several issues he has faced, while in the past Cameron was mocked for wearing black work shoes with his holiday garb while taking a break in Portugal.
I should never have given tongue to the first one.
Can we make this the last?0 -
ydoethur said:
Perhaps it's the upper limit of their imagination?BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Yeah but why does it matter?ydoethur said:
For some people, it's the sole topic of conversation.BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Who cares?SandyRentool said:On a lighter note, why do Tory PMs have a problem with footwear? Sunak being slagged off for wearing brand new Adidas trainers with his work clothes is the latest of several issues he has faced, while in the past Cameron was mocked for wearing black work shoes with his holiday garb while taking a break in Portugal.
"Who decides that the workday is from 9 to 5, instead of 11 to 4? Who decides that the hemlines will be below the knee this year and short again next year? Who draws up the borders, controls the currency, handles all of the decisions that happen transparently around us?"
"I don't know."
"Ah! I'm with them. Same group, different department.”
{pours tea in a sinister, alien manner}
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Just a bunch of snobs talking cobblers.ydoethur said:
This thread is now laced with bad shoe puns as people try feebly to copy me.CatMan said:
I think he's saying you should put a sock in talking about itydoethur said:
For some people, it's the sole topic of conversation.BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Who cares?SandyRentool said:On a lighter note, why do Tory PMs have a problem with footwear? Sunak being slagged off for wearing brand new Adidas trainers with his work clothes is the latest of several issues he has faced, while in the past Cameron was mocked for wearing black work shoes with his holiday garb while taking a break in Portugal.
I should never have given tongue to the first one.
Can we make this the last?0 -
As someone else said earlier, even if the locals are not too bad for the Tories Sunak will probably take it as a sign that things are improving and the longer he delays the better.BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Why are you not convinced of July?Benpointer said:
Stick with it - you'll be right eventually!BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Yeah indeed, I didn't say my predictions were reliable! I've never been particularly sure about an election at the end of the yearBenpointer said:
...presumably ever since your previous confident assertion that it was going to be 2nd May became impossible?BatteryCorrectHorse said:
I am confident it will be in June or July and have been for some weeks.Scott_xP said:@AnushkaAsthana
Most folk in Downing Street and CCHQ will still make argument for an Autumn election- but sources tell me some v senior folk have made argument for alternative- calling it immediately after locals and holding on July 4
For what it's worth I predicted 2nd May too. Now I'd guess 12 December - five years since the previous election.
I think the locals will be terrible but not as terrible as people think and Sunak will think it's now or never.0 -
I think we need to define "terrible" and "not as terrible as people think". Losing 400-500 seats will look good compared to the 2022 and 2023 losses but the vote shares may well tell a different story. It depends on what the media and commentators choose to think.BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Why are you not convinced of July?Benpointer said:
Stick with it - you'll be right eventually!BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Yeah indeed, I didn't say my predictions were reliable! I've never been particularly sure about an election at the end of the yearBenpointer said:
...presumably ever since your previous confident assertion that it was going to be 2nd May became impossible?BatteryCorrectHorse said:
I am confident it will be in June or July and have been for some weeks.Scott_xP said:@AnushkaAsthana
Most folk in Downing Street and CCHQ will still make argument for an Autumn election- but sources tell me some v senior folk have made argument for alternative- calling it immediately after locals and holding on July 4
For what it's worth I predicted 2nd May too. Now I'd guess 12 December - five years since the previous election.
I think the locals will be terrible but not as terrible as people think and Sunak will think it's now or never.
There are a number of barometer councils to watch such as Harlow, Havant, Epping Forest, Fareham and Dorset to name but five. Then of course there's the by election in Blackpool South.0 -
He does seem disconnected from reality enough to go for this.Benpointer said:
As someone else said earlier, even if the locals are not too bad for the Tories Sunak will probably take it as a sign that things are improving and the longer he delays the better.BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Why are you not convinced of July?Benpointer said:
Stick with it - you'll be right eventually!BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Yeah indeed, I didn't say my predictions were reliable! I've never been particularly sure about an election at the end of the yearBenpointer said:
...presumably ever since your previous confident assertion that it was going to be 2nd May became impossible?BatteryCorrectHorse said:
I am confident it will be in June or July and have been for some weeks.Scott_xP said:@AnushkaAsthana
Most folk in Downing Street and CCHQ will still make argument for an Autumn election- but sources tell me some v senior folk have made argument for alternative- calling it immediately after locals and holding on July 4
For what it's worth I predicted 2nd May too. Now I'd guess 12 December - five years since the previous election.
I think the locals will be terrible but not as terrible as people think and Sunak will think it's now or never.1 -
As well-heeled as ever.ydoethur said:
This thread is now laced with bad shoe puns as people try feebly to copy me.CatMan said:
I think he's saying you should put a sock in talking about itydoethur said:
For some people, it's the sole topic of conversation.BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Who cares?SandyRentool said:On a lighter note, why do Tory PMs have a problem with footwear? Sunak being slagged off for wearing brand new Adidas trainers with his work clothes is the latest of several issues he has faced, while in the past Cameron was mocked for wearing black work shoes with his holiday garb while taking a break in Portugal.
I should never have given tongue to the first one.
Can we make this the last?0 -
That's a remarkably pejorative way of describing the fact that people have different views on the question of how best to balance the rights and needs of the unborn against the rights, needs and duties of others.Theuniondivvie said:
Will she still be supporting those ghouls who hang about outside abortion clinics at that point?Burgessian said:
It's going quite well for Kate Forbes. She missed a bullet at the leadership election and now has the happy prospect of the party turning to her when the Humza regime finally implodes. She'll most likely take over when the SNP are ejected from Govt at the next Holyrood elections. So a few years to wait which probably suits her given her family commitments.Fairliered said:
Or an SNP not in love with the Greens or tholed to Central Belt politicians. Someone like Alex Salmond or Kate Forbes could do the job. The Yousaf, Sturgeon arseholes, not so much. The SNP need to get rid of their current leadership as much as the Tories need to get rid of theirs.Burgessian said:
The A9 and A96 (Inverness to Aberdeen), along with the ferries, have become totemic issues in the North.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have travelled that road for over 60 years and it is a disgrace on Scotland's governments that the A9 is not dualled all the wayLuckyguy1983 said:
North Scotland has never been pleased?Big_G_NorthWales said:
It was ever thusDavidL said:
The SNP are paying a price for kissing the Greens' , well, behind, in respect of not dualling the A9. North Scotland is not pleased.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thank youBurgessian said:
@Big_G_NorthWales Not sure TBH. He was endorsed by the existing Independent councillor which will have helped.Big_G_NorthWales said:
As a matter of interest how would you describe the independent candidate politically ?Burgessian said:On matters Scotch not sure if it's been already mentioned but Humza's run of council by-election fails has continued. And this time it was in a ward the SNP really should have won - Inverness South - in Drew Hendry's seat. LibDems surged past them, although an Independent actually won.
I had thought Hendry's seat, Inverness, Skye & Wester Ross, would be an SNP banker at the GE (one of the few), but I'm not so sure now. If the LibDems can persuade unionists they are the main challengers it could be close. There is a real sense that the Highlands are being neglected by ScotGov and its quite possible the voters will wreak some kind of vengeance. That said, I would still put Hendry as favourite, as I don't think the Tory vote will crumble to the extent it would need to. But remember, up til 2015 this area was represented by Danny Alexander and Charles Kennedy.
This is the actual result (First Prefs):
Ind 22.1 % ( new Indy)
LD 19.7% (+11.1)
SNP 19.4% (-15.8)
Con 16.1% (-0.8)
Lab 11% (+3.7)
Green 7.2% (+1.8)
Alba 3.2% (+1.3)
Sov 1.2% ( new)
And this is the result if you take out the Independent and add his second prefs to the parties - makes it even worse for SNP:
Lib Dem 856 25.9% +12.0%
SNP 695 21.0% -20.0%
Conservative 650 19.7% -2.3%
Labour 447 13.5% +3.8%
Green 272 8.2% +1.4%
Alba 135 4.1% +1.8%
Sovereignty 66 2.0% New
Non-transferrable 184 5.6% +1.3%
Quite a detailed preview of the by-election here. "Lean SNP" was the forecast.
https://ballotbox.scot/preview-inverness-south/
And after that, there's the social conservatism of the region to consider, and its reliance on oil and gas. Tough one for SNP candidates. They'll really need independence to become salient again.1 -
It’s delicious seeing the GOP nutjobs now in full panic mode .Nigelb said:Kari Lake embraces the principle behind Roe v Wade.
Once a cheerleader for Arizona’s "great law" prohibiting abortion, Kari Lake now singing a different tune, labeling it a "personal and private issue."
https://twitter.com/Morning_Joe/status/17787804475577754960 -
I'll have to tread carefullySunil_Prasannan said:
As well-heeled as ever.ydoethur said:
This thread is now laced with bad shoe puns as people try feebly to copy me.CatMan said:
I think he's saying you should put a sock in talking about itydoethur said:
For some people, it's the sole topic of conversation.BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Who cares?SandyRentool said:On a lighter note, why do Tory PMs have a problem with footwear? Sunak being slagged off for wearing brand new Adidas trainers with his work clothes is the latest of several issues he has faced, while in the past Cameron was mocked for wearing black work shoes with his holiday garb while taking a break in Portugal.
I should never have given tongue to the first one.
Can we make this the last?
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An unusual choice. What makes you think Kari would want to be Kier's deputy?nico679 said:
It’s delicious seeing the GOP nutjobs now in full panic mode .Nigelb said:Kari Lake embraces the principle behind Roe v Wade.
Once a cheerleader for Arizona’s "great law" prohibiting abortion, Kari Lake now singing a different tune, labeling it a "personal and private issue."
https://twitter.com/Morning_Joe/status/17787804475577754960 -
I think the mistake most people are making here is accepting tories are scum....most people think all politicians are scum frankly and we would certainly not want to marry our daughtersMexicanpete said:
Lock her up!darkage said:
Rayner didn't do herself any favours with the 'tory scum' comments a few years ago. It reflected the attitude of a large part of the labour party and its MP's (if not the leader) and is still a big off putting factor for me when thinking about who to vote for.Big_G_NorthWales said:I know it is Guido but this may explain the police involvement in what appears to be a minor infringement
I simply cannot believe it is just where she lived for electoral purposes
https://order-order.com/people/angela-rayner/
(How many times in a day am I allowed to write that?)
I mentioned this last week. In Rayner world I don't believe "scum" is as offensive as Tories understood it to be. When JRM claims people are trogladites or plebians, I suspect in his world that is as offensive in design as "scum" was for Rayner.0 -
Very funny ! That was my next post . Who do people think would make the best new Deputy Leader if Rayner has to stand down.Luckyguy1983 said:
An unusual choice. What makes you think Kari would want to be Kier's deputy?nico679 said:
It’s delicious seeing the GOP nutjobs now in full panic mode .Nigelb said:Kari Lake embraces the principle behind Roe v Wade.
Once a cheerleader for Arizona’s "great law" prohibiting abortion, Kari Lake now singing a different tune, labeling it a "personal and private issue."
https://twitter.com/Morning_Joe/status/17787804475577754961 -
I don't feel strongly about abortion - but intellectually, I really don't think it is a private matter. It strikes me that the balance of rights between mother and unborn child, and the question of the point at which an unborn child is treated as a legal person is one which can only be arrived at through societal agreement - i.e. in our context, democratically.Nigelb said:Kari Lake embraces the principle behind Roe v Wade.
Once a cheerleader for Arizona’s "great law" prohibiting abortion, Kari Lake now singing a different tune, labeling it a "personal and private issue."
https://twitter.com/Morning_Joe/status/1778780447557775496
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"This bounty hunter is my kind of scum: fearless and inventive!"Pagan2 said:
I think the mistake most people are making here is accepting tories are scum....most people think all politicians are scum frankly and we would certainly not want to marry our daughtersMexicanpete said:
Lock her up!darkage said:
Rayner didn't do herself any favours with the 'tory scum' comments a few years ago. It reflected the attitude of a large part of the labour party and its MP's (if not the leader) and is still a big off putting factor for me when thinking about who to vote for.Big_G_NorthWales said:I know it is Guido but this may explain the police involvement in what appears to be a minor infringement
I simply cannot believe it is just where she lived for electoral purposes
https://order-order.com/people/angela-rayner/
(How many times in a day am I allowed to write that?)
I mentioned this last week. In Rayner world I don't believe "scum" is as offensive as Tories understood it to be. When JRM claims people are trogladites or plebians, I suspect in his world that is as offensive in design as "scum" was for Rayner.0 -
I’m an open minded chap but on the whole I’m glad you don’t want to marry your daughters.Pagan2 said:
I think the mistake most people are making here is accepting tories are scum....most people think all politicians are scum frankly and we would certainly not want to marry our daughtersMexicanpete said:
Lock her up!darkage said:
Rayner didn't do herself any favours with the 'tory scum' comments a few years ago. It reflected the attitude of a large part of the labour party and its MP's (if not the leader) and is still a big off putting factor for me when thinking about who to vote for.Big_G_NorthWales said:I know it is Guido but this may explain the police involvement in what appears to be a minor infringement
I simply cannot believe it is just where she lived for electoral purposes
https://order-order.com/people/angela-rayner/
(How many times in a day am I allowed to write that?)
I mentioned this last week. In Rayner world I don't believe "scum" is as offensive as Tories understood it to be. When JRM claims people are trogladites or plebians, I suspect in his world that is as offensive in design as "scum" was for Rayner.2 -
I'm baffled by both these comments.Theuniondivvie said:
I’m an open minded chap but on the whole I’m glad you don’t want to marry your daughters.Pagan2 said:
I think the mistake most people are making here is accepting tories are scum....most people think all politicians are scum frankly and we would certainly not want to marry our daughtersMexicanpete said:
Lock her up!darkage said:
Rayner didn't do herself any favours with the 'tory scum' comments a few years ago. It reflected the attitude of a large part of the labour party and its MP's (if not the leader) and is still a big off putting factor for me when thinking about who to vote for.Big_G_NorthWales said:I know it is Guido but this may explain the police involvement in what appears to be a minor infringement
I simply cannot believe it is just where she lived for electoral purposes
https://order-order.com/people/angela-rayner/
(How many times in a day am I allowed to write that?)
I mentioned this last week. In Rayner world I don't believe "scum" is as offensive as Tories understood it to be. When JRM claims people are trogladites or plebians, I suspect in his world that is as offensive in design as "scum" was for Rayner.
Surely unless the MP (or @Pagan2) is one of a priest or a registrar then he *couldn't* marry his daughters?0 -
This is like the third very odd post you've written in the last two days.Pagan2 said:
I think the mistake most people are making here is accepting tories are scum....most people think all politicians are scum frankly and we would certainly not want to marry our daughtersMexicanpete said:
Lock her up!darkage said:
Rayner didn't do herself any favours with the 'tory scum' comments a few years ago. It reflected the attitude of a large part of the labour party and its MP's (if not the leader) and is still a big off putting factor for me when thinking about who to vote for.Big_G_NorthWales said:I know it is Guido but this may explain the police involvement in what appears to be a minor infringement
I simply cannot believe it is just where she lived for electoral purposes
https://order-order.com/people/angela-rayner/
(How many times in a day am I allowed to write that?)
I mentioned this last week. In Rayner world I don't believe "scum" is as offensive as Tories understood it to be. When JRM claims people are trogladites or plebians, I suspect in his world that is as offensive in design as "scum" was for Rayner.1 -
The majority of politicians seem to be a lot richer after 5 years in parliament while their constiuents are generally poorer. Its not a party political view, merely an observationSunil_Prasannan said:
"This bounty hunter is my kind of scum: fearless and inventive!"Pagan2 said:
I think the mistake most people are making here is accepting tories are scum....most people think all politicians are scum frankly and we would certainly not want to marry our daughtersMexicanpete said:
Lock her up!darkage said:
Rayner didn't do herself any favours with the 'tory scum' comments a few years ago. It reflected the attitude of a large part of the labour party and its MP's (if not the leader) and is still a big off putting factor for me when thinking about who to vote for.Big_G_NorthWales said:I know it is Guido but this may explain the police involvement in what appears to be a minor infringement
I simply cannot believe it is just where she lived for electoral purposes
https://order-order.com/people/angela-rayner/
(How many times in a day am I allowed to write that?)
I mentioned this last week. In Rayner world I don't believe "scum" is as offensive as Tories understood it to be. When JRM claims people are trogladites or plebians, I suspect in his world that is as offensive in design as "scum" was for Rayner.0 -
YupCookie said:
I don't feel strongly about abortion - but intellectually, I really don't think it is a private matter. It strikes me that the balance of rights between mother and unborn child, and the question of the point at which an unborn child is treated as a legal person is one which can only be arrived at through societal agreement - i.e. in our context, democratically.Nigelb said:Kari Lake embraces the principle behind Roe v Wade.
Once a cheerleader for Arizona’s "great law" prohibiting abortion, Kari Lake now singing a different tune, labeling it a "personal and private issue."
https://twitter.com/Morning_Joe/status/1778780447557775496
(Sorry, meant to press "like" but pressed "quote" instead. My bad.)0 -
All toe puff this or that politician ...Daveyboy1961 said:
I'll have to tread carefullySunil_Prasannan said:
As well-heeled as ever.ydoethur said:
This thread is now laced with bad shoe puns as people try feebly to copy me.CatMan said:
I think he's saying you should put a sock in talking about itydoethur said:
For some people, it's the sole topic of conversation.BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Who cares?SandyRentool said:On a lighter note, why do Tory PMs have a problem with footwear? Sunak being slagged off for wearing brand new Adidas trainers with his work clothes is the latest of several issues he has faced, while in the past Cameron was mocked for wearing black work shoes with his holiday garb while taking a break in Portugal.
I should never have given tongue to the first one.
Can we make this the last?0 -
I see nothing amusing in this.Jim_Miller said:I have tried to resist sharing this straight line, but can no longer; In a March 19th NYT article on the return of female genital cutting in Gambia, I found this: 'Clerics in the Muslim world disagree on whether cutting is Islamic, but it is not in the Koran. The most vocal of the Gambian imans, Abdoule Fatty, has argued that "circumcision makes you cleaner" and has said the husbands of women who have not been cut suffer because they can not meet their wives' sexual appetities.'
(Try to keep the punch lines relatively clean.)2 -
I did a good thing. Whilst making my way down the train carriage aisle to depart, I noticed a small fluffy toy on a seat by itself, somewhat like a furry. I was briefly struck by the incongruity and thought of asking it if it had a ticket. Common sense reasserted itself and, screwing my courage to the sticking post I picked it up, went to the end of the aisle and asked the queue waiting to detrain if this was their toy. Thankfully a family said "yes" and I was lauded as a good person instead of a weirdo toy kidnapper.
So today was a good day 🙂6 -
Was it a hairy moment?viewcode said:I did a good thing. Whilst making my way down the train carriage aisle to depart, I noticed a small fluffy toy on a seat by itself, somewhat like a furry. I was briefly struck by the incongruity and thought of asking it if it had a ticket. Common sense reasserted itself and, screwing my courage to the sticking post I picked it up, went to the end of the aisle and asked the queue waiting to detrain if this was their toy. Thankfully a family said "yes" and I was lauded as a good person instead of a weirdo toy kidnapper.
So today was a good day 🙂1 -
Well considering my posts over the last few days have not been about politicians I can only say you are lying.....otherwise quote a post from the last two days....clues you wont be able to so go fuck yourselfBatteryCorrectHorse said:
This is like the third very odd post you've written in the last two days.Pagan2 said:
I think the mistake most people are making here is accepting tories are scum....most people think all politicians are scum frankly and we would certainly not want to marry our daughtersMexicanpete said:
Lock her up!darkage said:
Rayner didn't do herself any favours with the 'tory scum' comments a few years ago. It reflected the attitude of a large part of the labour party and its MP's (if not the leader) and is still a big off putting factor for me when thinking about who to vote for.Big_G_NorthWales said:I know it is Guido but this may explain the police involvement in what appears to be a minor infringement
I simply cannot believe it is just where she lived for electoral purposes
https://order-order.com/people/angela-rayner/
(How many times in a day am I allowed to write that?)
I mentioned this last week. In Rayner world I don't believe "scum" is as offensive as Tories understood it to be. When JRM claims people are trogladites or plebians, I suspect in his world that is as offensive in design as "scum" was for Rayner.1 -
No_Offence_Alan - The iman was insulting Muslim men -- including himself -- but didn't seem to realize that.0
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So at a time when US Israeli relations were faltering Netenyahu decides to hit the Iranian consulate .
It’s blatantly obvious why .0 -
"Furby", not "furry"!ydoethur said:
Was it a hairy moment?viewcode said:I did a good thing. Whilst making my way down the train carriage aisle to depart, I noticed a small fluffy toy on a seat by itself, somewhat like a furry. I was briefly struck by the incongruity and thought of asking it if it had a ticket. Common sense reasserted itself and, screwing my courage to the sticking post I picked it up, went to the end of the aisle and asked the queue waiting to detrain if this was their toy. Thankfully a family said "yes" and I was lauded as a good person instead of a weirdo toy kidnapper.
So today was a good day 🙂0 -
Pagan2 said:
Well considering my posts over the last few days have not been about politicians I can only say you are lying.....otherwise quote a post from the last two days....clues you wont be able to so go fuck yourselfBatteryCorrectHorse said:
This is like the third very odd post you've written in the last two days.Pagan2 said:
I think the mistake most people are making here is accepting tories are scum....most people think all politicians are scum frankly and we would certainly not want to marry our daughtersMexicanpete said:
Lock her up!darkage said:
Rayner didn't do herself any favours with the 'tory scum' comments a few years ago. It reflected the attitude of a large part of the labour party and its MP's (if not the leader) and is still a big off putting factor for me when thinking about who to vote for.Big_G_NorthWales said:I know it is Guido but this may explain the police involvement in what appears to be a minor infringement
I simply cannot believe it is just where she lived for electoral purposes
https://order-order.com/people/angela-rayner/
(How many times in a day am I allowed to write that?)
I mentioned this last week. In Rayner world I don't believe "scum" is as offensive as Tories understood it to be. When JRM claims people are trogladites or plebians, I suspect in his world that is as offensive in design as "scum" was for Rayner.
...Pagan2 said:I dont think its just a male thing though I have a folder full of girls that have sent me intimate pictures and not random people
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Whats wierd about that I was merely commenting women do it toBatteryCorrectHorse said:Pagan2 said:
Well considering my posts over the last few days have not been about politicians I can only say you are lying.....otherwise quote a post from the last two days....clues you wont be able to so go fuck yourselfBatteryCorrectHorse said:
This is like the third very odd post you've written in the last two days.Pagan2 said:
I think the mistake most people are making here is accepting tories are scum....most people think all politicians are scum frankly and we would certainly not want to marry our daughtersMexicanpete said:
Lock her up!darkage said:
Rayner didn't do herself any favours with the 'tory scum' comments a few years ago. It reflected the attitude of a large part of the labour party and its MP's (if not the leader) and is still a big off putting factor for me when thinking about who to vote for.Big_G_NorthWales said:I know it is Guido but this may explain the police involvement in what appears to be a minor infringement
I simply cannot believe it is just where she lived for electoral purposes
https://order-order.com/people/angela-rayner/
(How many times in a day am I allowed to write that?)
I mentioned this last week. In Rayner world I don't believe "scum" is as offensive as Tories understood it to be. When JRM claims people are trogladites or plebians, I suspect in his world that is as offensive in design as "scum" was for Rayner.
...Pagan2 said:I dont think its just a male thing though I have a folder full of girls that have sent me intimate pictures and not random people
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Your kindness shines through.viewcode said:I did a good thing. Whilst making my way down the train carriage aisle to depart, I noticed a small fluffy toy on a seat by itself, somewhat like a furry. I was briefly struck by the incongruity and thought of asking it if it had a ticket. Common sense reasserted itself and, screwing my courage to the sticking post I picked it up, went to the end of the aisle and asked the queue waiting to detrain if this was their toy. Thankfully a family said "yes" and I was lauded as a good person instead of a weirdo toy kidnapper.
So today was a good day 🙂
Am I bad for wanting you shot for detrain?
Don't think so.2 -
My bad. Am on the tablet not the laptop. Small keypad, wobbly fingers. Short words preferred.dixiedean said:
Your kindness shines through.viewcode said:I did a good thing. Whilst making my way down the train carriage aisle to depart, I noticed a small fluffy toy on a seat by itself, somewhat like a furry. I was briefly struck by the incongruity and thought of asking it if it had a ticket. Common sense reasserted itself and, screwing my courage to the sticking post I picked it up, went to the end of the aisle and asked the queue waiting to detrain if this was their toy. Thankfully a family said "yes" and I was lauded as a good person instead of a weirdo toy kidnapper.
So today was a good day 🙂
Am I bad for wanting you shot for detrain?
Don't think so.0 -
You are very kind and thoughtful and a credit to this site. I hope you know that.viewcode said:I did a good thing. Whilst making my way down the train carriage aisle to depart, I noticed a small fluffy toy on a seat by itself, somewhat like a furry. I was briefly struck by the incongruity and thought of asking it if it had a ticket. Common sense reasserted itself and, screwing my courage to the sticking post I picked it up, went to the end of the aisle and asked the queue waiting to detrain if this was their toy. Thankfully a family said "yes" and I was lauded as a good person instead of a weirdo toy kidnapper.
So today was a good day 🙂1 -
Well I'm Liberal, but to a degree, I believe everybody should be free.Pagan2 said:
I think the mistake most people are making here is accepting tories are scum....most people think all politicians are scum frankly and we would certainly not want to marry our daughtersMexicanpete said:
Lock her up!darkage said:
Rayner didn't do herself any favours with the 'tory scum' comments a few years ago. It reflected the attitude of a large part of the labour party and its MP's (if not the leader) and is still a big off putting factor for me when thinking about who to vote for.Big_G_NorthWales said:I know it is Guido but this may explain the police involvement in what appears to be a minor infringement
I simply cannot believe it is just where she lived for electoral purposes
https://order-order.com/people/angela-rayner/
(How many times in a day am I allowed to write that?)
I mentioned this last week. In Rayner world I don't believe "scum" is as offensive as Tories understood it to be. When JRM claims people are trogladites or plebians, I suspect in his world that is as offensive in design as "scum" was for Rayner.
But if you think I'd let Barry Goldwater move in next door and marry my daughter.
You must think I'm crazy.
Wouldn't do it for all the farms in Cuba.0 -
I do fart very loudly tho. My nieces tell me off. 😐BatteryCorrectHorse said:
You are very kind and thoughtful and a credit to this site. I hope you know that.viewcode said:I did a good thing. Whilst making my way down the train carriage aisle to depart, I noticed a small fluffy toy on a seat by itself, somewhat like a furry. I was briefly struck by the incongruity and thought of asking it if it had a ticket. Common sense reasserted itself and, screwing my courage to the sticking post I picked it up, went to the end of the aisle and asked the queue waiting to detrain if this was their toy. Thankfully a family said "yes" and I was lauded as a good person instead of a weirdo toy kidnapper.
So today was a good day 🙂
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Wasn't that my point no one sane would want their daughter to marry a politician?dixiedean said:
Well I'm Liberal, but to a degree, I believe everybody should be free.Pagan2 said:
I think the mistake most people are making here is accepting tories are scum....most people think all politicians are scum frankly and we would certainly not want to marry our daughtersMexicanpete said:
Lock her up!darkage said:
Rayner didn't do herself any favours with the 'tory scum' comments a few years ago. It reflected the attitude of a large part of the labour party and its MP's (if not the leader) and is still a big off putting factor for me when thinking about who to vote for.Big_G_NorthWales said:I know it is Guido but this may explain the police involvement in what appears to be a minor infringement
I simply cannot believe it is just where she lived for electoral purposes
https://order-order.com/people/angela-rayner/
(How many times in a day am I allowed to write that?)
I mentioned this last week. In Rayner world I don't believe "scum" is as offensive as Tories understood it to be. When JRM claims people are trogladites or plebians, I suspect in his world that is as offensive in design as "scum" was for Rayner.
But if you think I'd let Barry Goldwater move in next door and marry my daughter.
You must think I'm crazy.
Wouldn't do it for all the farms in Cuba.0 -
Leicester season over??1
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Can you post what you think the reason is.nico679 said:So at a time when US Israeli relations were faltering Netenyahu decides to hit the Iranian consulate .
It’s blatantly obvious why .
Israel have done things like this before to scupper negotiations, a famous case being when they sent jets to bomb Tunis.
The US isn't any problem for Israel at all. I think the US have been told to hold back on the floating pier plan until the Israelis have "adjusted" the Gaza population size to what they consider to be an appropriate size for deportation.
Whether it will be Saigon and helicopter skids time for the Saudi princes, we'll have to see. That's always a possible outcome I'm on the lookout for because of an argument I had with someone many years ago, but perhaps it's more apposite right now to ask how long the Egyptian government's going to last.
A deportation will NOT look like the deportation of PLO guys from Beirut. They won't be allowed to take much metal with them onto the ships. The Israelis have even stopped some aid workers from giving out unpitted dates (saying their stones could be used as weapons) and crutches.
Meanwhile Germany stops a pro-Palestinian conference including by cutting off the electricity. They used 930 polizei:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/12/germany-cancels-pro-palestine-event-bars-entry-to-gaza-war-witness0 -
Have you ever met a chap called Trump? I hear he holds his daughter in quite high regard and is possibly destined for high office!Theuniondivvie said:
I’m an open minded chap but on the whole I’m glad you don’t want to marry your daughters.Pagan2 said:
I think the mistake most people are making here is accepting tories are scum....most people think all politicians are scum frankly and we would certainly not want to marry our daughtersMexicanpete said:
Lock her up!darkage said:
Rayner didn't do herself any favours with the 'tory scum' comments a few years ago. It reflected the attitude of a large part of the labour party and its MP's (if not the leader) and is still a big off putting factor for me when thinking about who to vote for.Big_G_NorthWales said:I know it is Guido but this may explain the police involvement in what appears to be a minor infringement
I simply cannot believe it is just where she lived for electoral purposes
https://order-order.com/people/angela-rayner/
(How many times in a day am I allowed to write that?)
I mentioned this last week. In Rayner world I don't believe "scum" is as offensive as Tories understood it to be. When JRM claims people are trogladites or plebians, I suspect in his world that is as offensive in design as "scum" was for Rayner.0 -
Indeed.Pagan2 said:
Wasn't that my point no one sane would want their daughter to marry a politician?dixiedean said:
Well I'm Liberal, but to a degree, I believe everybody should be free.Pagan2 said:
I think the mistake most people are making here is accepting tories are scum....most people think all politicians are scum frankly and we would certainly not want to marry our daughtersMexicanpete said:
Lock her up!darkage said:
Rayner didn't do herself any favours with the 'tory scum' comments a few years ago. It reflected the attitude of a large part of the labour party and its MP's (if not the leader) and is still a big off putting factor for me when thinking about who to vote for.Big_G_NorthWales said:I know it is Guido but this may explain the police involvement in what appears to be a minor infringement
I simply cannot believe it is just where she lived for electoral purposes
https://order-order.com/people/angela-rayner/
(How many times in a day am I allowed to write that?)
I mentioned this last week. In Rayner world I don't believe "scum" is as offensive as Tories understood it to be. When JRM claims people are trogladites or plebians, I suspect in his world that is as offensive in design as "scum" was for Rayner.
But if you think I'd let Barry Goldwater move in next door and marry my daughter.
You must think I'm crazy.
Wouldn't do it for all the farms in Cuba.
Sons as well.0 -
Farting loudly is one of the joys of life.viewcode said:
I do fart very loudly tho. My nieces tell me off. 😐BatteryCorrectHorse said:
You are very kind and thoughtful and a credit to this site. I hope you know that.viewcode said:I did a good thing. Whilst making my way down the train carriage aisle to depart, I noticed a small fluffy toy on a seat by itself, somewhat like a furry. I was briefly struck by the incongruity and thought of asking it if it had a ticket. Common sense reasserted itself and, screwing my courage to the sticking post I picked it up, went to the end of the aisle and asked the queue waiting to detrain if this was their toy. Thankfully a family said "yes" and I was lauded as a good person instead of a weirdo toy kidnapper.
So today was a good day 🙂2 -
Sticking-place, not post!viewcode said:I did a good thing. Whilst making my way down the train carriage aisle to depart, I noticed a small fluffy toy on a seat by itself, somewhat like a furry. I was briefly struck by the incongruity and thought of asking it if it had a ticket. Common sense reasserted itself and, screwing my courage to the sticking post I picked it up, went to the end of the aisle and asked the queue waiting to detrain if this was their toy. Thankfully a family said "yes" and I was lauded as a good person instead of a weirdo toy kidnapper.
So today was a good day 🙂1 -
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I don't believe that is true. As I suggested, I suspect "scum" is simply the lingua franca of the Manchester council estate. So scum is not a word I would use.Pagan2 said:
I think the mistake most people are making here is accepting tories are scum....most people think all politicians are scum frankly and we would certainly not want to marry our daughtersMexicanpete said:
Lock her up!darkage said:
Rayner didn't do herself any favours with the 'tory scum' comments a few years ago. It reflected the attitude of a large part of the labour party and its MP's (if not the leader) and is still a big off putting factor for me when thinking about who to vote for.Big_G_NorthWales said:I know it is Guido but this may explain the police involvement in what appears to be a minor infringement
I simply cannot believe it is just where she lived for electoral purposes
https://order-order.com/people/angela-rayner/
(How many times in a day am I allowed to write that?)
I mentioned this last week. In Rayner world I don't believe "scum" is as offensive as Tories understood it to be. When JRM claims people are trogladites or plebians, I suspect in his world that is as offensive in design as "scum" was for Rayner.
In my view the Johnsonian and post-Johnsonian Tories are venal, corrupt and heartless. Of course you will still vote for them because you can't bear the alternatives. Some Johnsonian Tories are reprehensible poshos, others are reprehensible oiks. Do I include all Tories? Of course not. If you can find the one remaining One Nation Conservative I will utter not an ill word against them.0 -
This is the new "My dog ate my homework", right?viewcode said:
My bad. Am on the tablet not the laptop. Small keypad, wobbly fingers. Short words preferred.dixiedean said:
Your kindness shines through.viewcode said:I did a good thing. Whilst making my way down the train carriage aisle to depart, I noticed a small fluffy toy on a seat by itself, somewhat like a furry. I was briefly struck by the incongruity and thought of asking it if it had a ticket. Common sense reasserted itself and, screwing my courage to the sticking post I picked it up, went to the end of the aisle and asked the queue waiting to detrain if this was their toy. Thankfully a family said "yes" and I was lauded as a good person instead of a weirdo toy kidnapper.
So today was a good day 🙂
Am I bad for wanting you shot for detrain?
Don't think so.1 -
Phasma: "You always were scum!"Mexicanpete said:...
I don't believe that is true. As I suggested, I suspect "scum" is simply the lingua franca of the Manchester council estate. So scum is not a word I would use.Pagan2 said:
I think the mistake most people are making here is accepting tories are scum....most people think all politicians are scum frankly and we would certainly not want to marry our daughtersMexicanpete said:
Lock her up!darkage said:
Rayner didn't do herself any favours with the 'tory scum' comments a few years ago. It reflected the attitude of a large part of the labour party and its MP's (if not the leader) and is still a big off putting factor for me when thinking about who to vote for.Big_G_NorthWales said:I know it is Guido but this may explain the police involvement in what appears to be a minor infringement
I simply cannot believe it is just where she lived for electoral purposes
https://order-order.com/people/angela-rayner/
(How many times in a day am I allowed to write that?)
I mentioned this last week. In Rayner world I don't believe "scum" is as offensive as Tories understood it to be. When JRM claims people are trogladites or plebians, I suspect in his world that is as offensive in design as "scum" was for Rayner.
In my view the Johnsonian and post-Johnsonian Tories are venal, corrupt and heartless. Of course you will still vote for them because you can't bear the alternatives. Some Johnsonian Tories are reprehensible poshos, others are reprehensible oiks. Do I include all Tories? Of course not. If you can find the one remaining One Nation Conservative I will utter not an ill word against them.
Finn: "REBEL scum!"2 -
Only if it is "just" a fart.TimS said:
Farting loudly is one of the joys of life.viewcode said:
I do fart very loudly tho. My nieces tell me off. 😐BatteryCorrectHorse said:
You are very kind and thoughtful and a credit to this site. I hope you know that.viewcode said:I did a good thing. Whilst making my way down the train carriage aisle to depart, I noticed a small fluffy toy on a seat by itself, somewhat like a furry. I was briefly struck by the incongruity and thought of asking it if it had a ticket. Common sense reasserted itself and, screwing my courage to the sticking post I picked it up, went to the end of the aisle and asked the queue waiting to detrain if this was their toy. Thankfully a family said "yes" and I was lauded as a good person instead of a weirdo toy kidnapper.
So today was a good day 🙂2 -
I've lived on a few council estates and don't recall anyone misusing the phrase "lingua franca" the way you did.Mexicanpete said:...
I don't believe that is true. As I suggested, I suspect "scum" is simply the lingua franca of the Manchester council estate. So scum is not a word I would use.Pagan2 said:
I think the mistake most people are making here is accepting tories are scum....most people think all politicians are scum frankly and we would certainly not want to marry our daughtersMexicanpete said:
Lock her up!darkage said:
Rayner didn't do herself any favours with the 'tory scum' comments a few years ago. It reflected the attitude of a large part of the labour party and its MP's (if not the leader) and is still a big off putting factor for me when thinking about who to vote for.Big_G_NorthWales said:I know it is Guido but this may explain the police involvement in what appears to be a minor infringement
I simply cannot believe it is just where she lived for electoral purposes
https://order-order.com/people/angela-rayner/
(How many times in a day am I allowed to write that?)
I mentioned this last week. In Rayner world I don't believe "scum" is as offensive as Tories understood it to be. When JRM claims people are trogladites or plebians, I suspect in his world that is as offensive in design as "scum" was for Rayner.
Also you're responding to a statement about what most people think by focusing on a word. Most people do indeed think all politicians are scum, wankers, etc. Various different words with different shades of meaning are used, which is hardly surprising given this is the English language. Aneurin Bevan memorably called the Tories "lower than vermin" and many of the poor snowflakes got very upset about it. Regarding the word "scum", isn't that what Duke-face Wellington called his own soldiers?0 -
I didnt vote tory since 2010....I merely dont make the mistake of thinking labour , lib dems etc are any less venal corrupt or heartlessMexicanpete said:...
I don't believe that is true. As I suggested, I suspect "scum" is simply the lingua franca of the Manchester council estate. So scum is not a word I would use.Pagan2 said:
I think the mistake most people are making here is accepting tories are scum....most people think all politicians are scum frankly and we would certainly not want to marry our daughtersMexicanpete said:
Lock her up!darkage said:
Rayner didn't do herself any favours with the 'tory scum' comments a few years ago. It reflected the attitude of a large part of the labour party and its MP's (if not the leader) and is still a big off putting factor for me when thinking about who to vote for.Big_G_NorthWales said:I know it is Guido but this may explain the police involvement in what appears to be a minor infringement
I simply cannot believe it is just where she lived for electoral purposes
https://order-order.com/people/angela-rayner/
(How many times in a day am I allowed to write that?)
I mentioned this last week. In Rayner world I don't believe "scum" is as offensive as Tories understood it to be. When JRM claims people are trogladites or plebians, I suspect in his world that is as offensive in design as "scum" was for Rayner.
In my view the Johnsonian and post-Johnsonian Tories are venal, corrupt and heartless. Of course you will still vote for them because you can't bear the alternatives. Some Johnsonian Tories are reprehensible poshos, others are reprehensible oiks. Do I include all Tories? Of course not. If you can find the one remaining One Nation Conservative I will utter not an ill word against them.0 -
Still to lose to Coventry in the play-offs.londonpubman said:Leicester season over??
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And here's me thinking the SNP have been in government for the last 17 years.Carnyx said:
You mean, to Scottish Labour and the Tories who voted to divert money from the A9 to Edinburgh trams.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have travelled that road for over 60 years and it is a disgrace on Scotland's governments that the A9 is not dualled all the wayLuckyguy1983 said:
North Scotland has never been pleased?Big_G_NorthWales said:
It was ever thusDavidL said:
The SNP are paying a price for kissing the Greens' , well, behind, in respect of not dualling the A9. North Scotland is not pleased.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thank youBurgessian said:
@Big_G_NorthWales Not sure TBH. He was endorsed by the existing Independent councillor which will have helped.Big_G_NorthWales said:
As a matter of interest how would you describe the independent candidate politically ?Burgessian said:On matters Scotch not sure if it's been already mentioned but Humza's run of council by-election fails has continued. And this time it was in a ward the SNP really should have won - Inverness South - in Drew Hendry's seat. LibDems surged past them, although an Independent actually won.
I had thought Hendry's seat, Inverness, Skye & Wester Ross, would be an SNP banker at the GE (one of the few), but I'm not so sure now. If the LibDems can persuade unionists they are the main challengers it could be close. There is a real sense that the Highlands are being neglected by ScotGov and its quite possible the voters will wreak some kind of vengeance. That said, I would still put Hendry as favourite, as I don't think the Tory vote will crumble to the extent it would need to. But remember, up til 2015 this area was represented by Danny Alexander and Charles Kennedy.
This is the actual result (First Prefs):
Ind 22.1 % ( new Indy)
LD 19.7% (+11.1)
SNP 19.4% (-15.8)
Con 16.1% (-0.8)
Lab 11% (+3.7)
Green 7.2% (+1.8)
Alba 3.2% (+1.3)
Sov 1.2% ( new)
And this is the result if you take out the Independent and add his second prefs to the parties - makes it even worse for SNP:
Lib Dem 856 25.9% +12.0%
SNP 695 21.0% -20.0%
Conservative 650 19.7% -2.3%
Labour 447 13.5% +3.8%
Green 272 8.2% +1.4%
Alba 135 4.1% +1.8%
Sovereignty 66 2.0% New
Non-transferrable 184 5.6% +1.3%
Quite a detailed preview of the by-election here. "Lean SNP" was the forecast.
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Whoever finishes 3rd will not get through playoffs. Big opportunity for Coventry but they have to get past Norwich to get in top 6 first.No_Offence_Alan said:
Still to lose to Coventry in the play-offs.londonpubman said:Leicester season over??
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Michael Crick
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https://twitter.com/MichaelLCrick/status/17788801599882817714 -
"Proud Andrew takes the family to sea".rottenborough said:
Michael Crick
@MichaelLCrick
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The Mail in 1991 when Panorama revealed John Manor was on the electoral register at a house where he never lived.
https://twitter.com/MichaelLCrick/status/1778880159988281771
Not for the first time.1 -
David Marquand was a superb politics lecturer. But the 'Falklands Factor' was real.Nigelb said:
That doesn’t show anything other than their support drifted back, which is hardly unexpected. What it might have done absent the Falklands is an entirely different thing.Cookie said:
I did a politics undergraduate course. One of the lecturers was the former SDP MP David Marquand. I remember him showing very convincingly by means od graphs of polls etc. that the Falklands effect was a blip, and by the time of the 1983 GE, Conservative support had fallen back to meet the gradual upward trajectory it was on before the conflict ('swingback', we used to call it on here.)Malmesbury said:
The polls were already turning before the Falklands.Benpointer said:
Without challenging your larger point (which is probably true) what evidence do you have that the 'Falklands saving Thatcher' is a myth?Malmesbury said:
The usual excuse making bullshit. Kinnock was admitting in private they had a problem, based on polling in the U.K., before the election.Mexicanpete said:
There were anecdotes of South African voters in 1992. I have looked for citations for you, but I can't find them. So urban myth or just a nightmare.Malmesbury said:
The expats haven't caused polls to collapse/disappear/produce ridiculous results ever before.Mexicanpete said:
That looks like MoE stuff to me.BatteryCorrectHorse said:Westminster Voting Intention:
LAB: 44% (-1)
CON: 24% (=)
REF: 11% (-2)
LDM: 9% (-1)
GRN: 6% (+1)
SNP: 2% (=)
Via
@wethinkpolling
, On 11-12 April,
Changes w/ 4-5 April.
https://x.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1778832955378434485
I am concerned that the voter ID refusals at polling stations and the 3 million expat Tory voters are not applied to opinion polls. The difference a small number of votes applied to marginal seats could make is mind numbing.
You are assuming that expats are all Tories. Why?
"An on-line survey carried out by University of Sussex academics reveals that the Conservatives’ share of overseas votes in the EU fell by two thirds between the 2015 and 2019 elections. The Labour and Liberal Democrat combined vote share rose from 56% in 2015 to 85% by 2019."
https://www.sussex.ac.uk/broadcast/read/52513
Much like the myth of the Falklands saving Thatcher.
The Left had a “we was robbed” story for every election I can remember. Including 1997…
Prior to the Falklands War the Tories, Labour and the Alliance were effectively tied in the opinion polls; by the end of the Falklands the Tories were consistently enjoying leads in the 10-20% range over Labour.
Longest Suicide Note In History.
I mean, this was the Labour Party, where someone rocked up on the platform at the party conference. To demand leaving NATO and the EEC. And joining COMECON.1 -
Lingua franca definition; a language or mixture of languages used as a medium of communication by people whose native languages are different.Donkeys said:
I've lived on a few council estates and don't recall anyone misusing the phrase "lingua franca" the way you did.Mexicanpete said:...
I don't believe that is true. As I suggested, I suspect "scum" is simply the lingua franca of the Manchester council estate. So scum is not a word I would use.Pagan2 said:
I think the mistake most people are making here is accepting tories are scum....most people think all politicians are scum frankly and we would certainly not want to marry our daughtersMexicanpete said:
Lock her up!darkage said:
Rayner didn't do herself any favours with the 'tory scum' comments a few years ago. It reflected the attitude of a large part of the labour party and its MP's (if not the leader) and is still a big off putting factor for me when thinking about who to vote for.Big_G_NorthWales said:I know it is Guido but this may explain the police involvement in what appears to be a minor infringement
I simply cannot believe it is just where she lived for electoral purposes
https://order-order.com/people/angela-rayner/
(How many times in a day am I allowed to write that?)
I mentioned this last week. In Rayner world I don't believe "scum" is as offensive as Tories understood it to be. When JRM claims people are trogladites or plebians, I suspect in his world that is as offensive in design as "scum" was for Rayner.
Also you're responding to a statement about what most people think by focusing on a word. Most people do indeed think all politicians are scum, wankers, etc. Various different words with different shades of meaning are used, which is hardly surprising given this is the English language. Aneurin Bevan memorably called the Tories "lower than vermin" and many of the poor snowflakes got very upset about it. Regarding the word "scum", isn't that what Duke-face Wellington called his own soldiers?
Mancunian English and English. I stand by my statement.0 -
"Why now?" Truss's response to the death of the Queen.0
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"I managed to become PM but nobody including me is sure how I did it"Andy_JS said:"Why now?" Truss's response to the death of the Queen.
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This pretending to be a moron schtick you do is way past its sell-by-date.Mexicanpete said:
Lingua franca definition; a language or mixture of languages used as a medium of communication by people whose native languages are different.Donkeys said:
I've lived on a few council estates and don't recall anyone misusing the phrase "lingua franca" the way you did.Mexicanpete said:...
I don't believe that is true. As I suggested, I suspect "scum" is simply the lingua franca of the Manchester council estate. So scum is not a word I would use.Pagan2 said:
I think the mistake most people are making here is accepting tories are scum....most people think all politicians are scum frankly and we would certainly not want to marry our daughtersMexicanpete said:
Lock her up!darkage said:
Rayner didn't do herself any favours with the 'tory scum' comments a few years ago. It reflected the attitude of a large part of the labour party and its MP's (if not the leader) and is still a big off putting factor for me when thinking about who to vote for.Big_G_NorthWales said:I know it is Guido but this may explain the police involvement in what appears to be a minor infringement
I simply cannot believe it is just where she lived for electoral purposes
https://order-order.com/people/angela-rayner/
(How many times in a day am I allowed to write that?)
I mentioned this last week. In Rayner world I don't believe "scum" is as offensive as Tories understood it to be. When JRM claims people are trogladites or plebians, I suspect in his world that is as offensive in design as "scum" was for Rayner.
Also you're responding to a statement about what most people think by focusing on a word. Most people do indeed think all politicians are scum, wankers, etc. Various different words with different shades of meaning are used, which is hardly surprising given this is the English language. Aneurin Bevan memorably called the Tories "lower than vermin" and many of the poor snowflakes got very upset about it. Regarding the word "scum", isn't that what Duke-face Wellington called his own soldiers?
Mancunian English and English. I stand by my statement.1 -
Harlow may be a barometer council, the others you mentioned there aren't. Of the still Conservative controlled councils up in May Thurrock, Dudley, Solihull, Walsall, Basildon, Gloucester and Nuneaton and Redditch are more barometer councils than themstodge said:
I think we need to define "terrible" and "not as terrible as people think". Losing 400-500 seats will look good compared to the 2022 and 2023 losses but the vote shares may well tell a different story. It depends on what the media and commentators choose to think.BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Why are you not convinced of July?Benpointer said:
Stick with it - you'll be right eventually!BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Yeah indeed, I didn't say my predictions were reliable! I've never been particularly sure about an election at the end of the yearBenpointer said:
...presumably ever since your previous confident assertion that it was going to be 2nd May became impossible?BatteryCorrectHorse said:
I am confident it will be in June or July and have been for some weeks.Scott_xP said:@AnushkaAsthana
Most folk in Downing Street and CCHQ will still make argument for an Autumn election- but sources tell me some v senior folk have made argument for alternative- calling it immediately after locals and holding on July 4
For what it's worth I predicted 2nd May too. Now I'd guess 12 December - five years since the previous election.
I think the locals will be terrible but not as terrible as people think and Sunak will think it's now or never.
There are a number of barometer councils to watch such as Harlow, Havant, Epping Forest, Fareham and Dorset to name but five. Then of course there's the by election in Blackpool South.0 -
Problem with "No smoke without fire" is you end up inventing fires when the smoke starts disappearing.eek said:https://twitter.com/nearlylegal/status/1778842021211353150
Unfortunately
@GuidoFawkes
doesn’t understand the 5 year rule on disposal of RTB property. Whether the person was living there is irrelevant. It is only about selling within the first 5 years. This is really embarrassing stuff.
So there are 3 arguments
The tax which is a minor amount and up to HMRC (probably time limited anyway)
The election fraud which again is timed served if it existed
Moving out of the property early which seems to be a none story0 -
Guido has now set a precedent for Labour to go through the dealings of all of the Tory MPs in Parliament.FF43 said:
Problem with "No smoke without fire" is you end up inventing fires when the smoke starts disappearing.eek said:https://twitter.com/nearlylegal/status/1778842021211353150
Unfortunately
@GuidoFawkes
doesn’t understand the 5 year rule on disposal of RTB property. Whether the person was living there is irrelevant. It is only about selling within the first 5 years. This is really embarrassing stuff.
So there are 3 arguments
The tax which is a minor amount and up to HMRC (probably time limited anyway)
The election fraud which again is timed served if it existed
Moving out of the property early which seems to be a none story
You can bet with all of the money currently flowing to Labour, they are currently doing just that and will release it all as the election nears.
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I’m sure Rayner will get off on some technicality or other, and she probably didn’t do anything that wrong anyway… but why did she pretend to live in a separate house from her new husband? It doesnt make sense1
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Are you already preparing to admit defeat?isam said:I’m sure Rayner will get off on some technicality or other, and she probably didn’t do anything that wrong anyway… but why did she pretend to live in a separate house from her new husband? It doesnt make sense
She had a blended family, I think that has already been discussed.1 -
I don't see landlords voting Tory, TBH.Wulfrun_Phil said:
No, not registering at your current address is an offence, one committed by what some estimate as 8 million UK citizens currently, some of whom will be people who were previously registered at another address but have since moved and have failed to inform the authorities. Whether it is a criminal or civil offence depends on whether false information was actively provided.IanB2 said:
Not registering isn’t an offence, but registering somewhere that isn’t your main home now is. The days when landlords and second home owners could merrily register at all their properties are long gone.Luckyguy1983 said:Angela Rayner may have fiddled herself 1000 odd quid, which is naughty, though hardly a King's ransome, but I can't get excited by this electoral roll nonsense. I've lived somewhere for years without telling the electoral roll. None of their business until I decide it's their business as far as I am concerned.
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Why defeat? I always said it didn’t really matter about the tax but she looked dodgy in saying she lived one place when all her neighbours say she didn’t. Who gets married then lives apart? What sucker would believe it??BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Are you already preparing to admit defeat?isam said:I’m sure Rayner will get off on some technicality or other, and she probably didn’t do anything that wrong anyway… but why did she pretend to live in a separate house from her new husband? It doesnt make sense
She had a blended family, I think that has already been discussed.0 -
"It is often useful to give the slight impression that you are deliberately pretending not to know what is going on, because the reality may be that you don't know what is going on but people won't be able to tell the difference."kamski said:
This pretending to be a moron schtick you do is way past its sell-by-date.Mexicanpete said:
Lingua franca definition; a language or mixture of languages used as a medium of communication by people whose native languages are different.Donkeys said:
I've lived on a few council estates and don't recall anyone misusing the phrase "lingua franca" the way you did.Mexicanpete said:...
I don't believe that is true. As I suggested, I suspect "scum" is simply the lingua franca of the Manchester council estate. So scum is not a word I would use.Pagan2 said:
I think the mistake most people are making here is accepting tories are scum....most people think all politicians are scum frankly and we would certainly not want to marry our daughtersMexicanpete said:
Lock her up!darkage said:
Rayner didn't do herself any favours with the 'tory scum' comments a few years ago. It reflected the attitude of a large part of the labour party and its MP's (if not the leader) and is still a big off putting factor for me when thinking about who to vote for.Big_G_NorthWales said:I know it is Guido but this may explain the police involvement in what appears to be a minor infringement
I simply cannot believe it is just where she lived for electoral purposes
https://order-order.com/people/angela-rayner/
(How many times in a day am I allowed to write that?)
I mentioned this last week. In Rayner world I don't believe "scum" is as offensive as Tories understood it to be. When JRM claims people are trogladites or plebians, I suspect in his world that is as offensive in design as "scum" was for Rayner.
Also you're responding to a statement about what most people think by focusing on a word. Most people do indeed think all politicians are scum, wankers, etc. Various different words with different shades of meaning are used, which is hardly surprising given this is the English language. Aneurin Bevan memorably called the Tories "lower than vermin" and many of the poor snowflakes got very upset about it. Regarding the word "scum", isn't that what Duke-face Wellington called his own soldiers?
Mancunian English and English. I stand by my statement.
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Tax is over and done, HMRC aren't investigating.isam said:
Why defeat? I always said it didn’t really matter about the tax but she looked dodgy in saying she lived one place when all her neighbours say she didn’t. Who gets married then lives apart? What sucker would believe it??BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Are you already preparing to admit defeat?isam said:I’m sure Rayner will get off on some technicality or other, and she probably didn’t do anything that wrong anyway… but why did she pretend to live in a separate house from her new husband? It doesnt make sense
She had a blended family, I think that has already been discussed.0 -
Leave Pete alone.kamski said:
This pretending to be a moron schtick you do is way past its sell-by-date.Mexicanpete said:
Lingua franca definition; a language or mixture of languages used as a medium of communication by people whose native languages are different.Donkeys said:
I've lived on a few council estates and don't recall anyone misusing the phrase "lingua franca" the way you did.Mexicanpete said:...
I don't believe that is true. As I suggested, I suspect "scum" is simply the lingua franca of the Manchester council estate. So scum is not a word I would use.Pagan2 said:
I think the mistake most people are making here is accepting tories are scum....most people think all politicians are scum frankly and we would certainly not want to marry our daughtersMexicanpete said:
Lock her up!darkage said:
Rayner didn't do herself any favours with the 'tory scum' comments a few years ago. It reflected the attitude of a large part of the labour party and its MP's (if not the leader) and is still a big off putting factor for me when thinking about who to vote for.Big_G_NorthWales said:I know it is Guido but this may explain the police involvement in what appears to be a minor infringement
I simply cannot believe it is just where she lived for electoral purposes
https://order-order.com/people/angela-rayner/
(How many times in a day am I allowed to write that?)
I mentioned this last week. In Rayner world I don't believe "scum" is as offensive as Tories understood it to be. When JRM claims people are trogladites or plebians, I suspect in his world that is as offensive in design as "scum" was for Rayner.
Also you're responding to a statement about what most people think by focusing on a word. Most people do indeed think all politicians are scum, wankers, etc. Various different words with different shades of meaning are used, which is hardly surprising given this is the English language. Aneurin Bevan memorably called the Tories "lower than vermin" and many of the poor snowflakes got very upset about it. Regarding the word "scum", isn't that what Duke-face Wellington called his own soldiers?
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I really don't think any party needed precedent to go through the potential dirty laundry of their political opponents. Or rather that they already have plenty of precedent.BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Guido has now set a precedent for Labour to go through the dealings of all of the Tory MPs in Parliament.FF43 said:
Problem with "No smoke without fire" is you end up inventing fires when the smoke starts disappearing.eek said:https://twitter.com/nearlylegal/status/1778842021211353150
Unfortunately
@GuidoFawkes
doesn’t understand the 5 year rule on disposal of RTB property. Whether the person was living there is irrelevant. It is only about selling within the first 5 years. This is really embarrassing stuff.
So there are 3 arguments
The tax which is a minor amount and up to HMRC (probably time limited anyway)
The election fraud which again is timed served if it existed
Moving out of the property early which seems to be a none story
You can bet with all of the money currently flowing to Labour, they are currently doing just that and will release it all as the election nears.
I am not sure this was a wise strategy.
I mean, you've essentially just claimed that Labour will (or may) do a release of various Tory MP dealings at the election, but cleansed them of any responsibility for doing so in advance because of this example. Yet is this really the first time a party's supporters have done such a thing? Guido is clearly batting more for Reform thesedays, though in this case interests are aligned with the Tories, but underhanded briefings and campaigns have long been a thing, would the thought never have occured without this case?
Whether a party feel it justified or wise in seeking to use information - be it genuinely bad or a bit of a smear - probably depends more on how they perceive their prospects if they stick to striking above the belt.
That is, will it be useful, and do they need it? What is the cost to their own credibility if they go dirty, and can they do it through proxies to keep a distance?
I would regard such a thing as political behaviour rather than partisan behaviour, in that it crops up across the spectrum. Which does not mean one side may not, in a particular moment, be more guilty of that behaviour.0 -
Following up on my post from earlier re: rents and inflation. Thanks for the advice, especially form @malcolmg .
I went to see the T this afternoon, and we agreed a cost-of-living rent increase in line with 6-months' worth of last September's benefit increase reference-rate-of-inflation after 7-months' occupancy (ie just over 3% from the 6.7% rate), the basic rent level being set a little below market since they intend to be long-term Ts whom I intend to keep for a long time, and are keen gardeners in the patio garden which we jointly sorted out/adapted.
That is now in line with my normal system of following benefit increase rate (currently set in September) for the following financial year - which imo works quite well as a long-term easy-to-understand & reasonable practice.0 -
I think this is perhaps a bit over-sophisticated as an analysis of current circumstances. I'd phrase it as "the Conservatives have nothing left except a few pots of jelly to throw at the wall".kle4 said:
I really don't think any party needed precedent to go through the potential dirty laundry of their political opponents. Or rather that they already have plenty of precedent.BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Guido has now set a precedent for Labour to go through the dealings of all of the Tory MPs in Parliament.FF43 said:
Problem with "No smoke without fire" is you end up inventing fires when the smoke starts disappearing.eek said:https://twitter.com/nearlylegal/status/1778842021211353150
Unfortunately
@GuidoFawkes
doesn’t understand the 5 year rule on disposal of RTB property. Whether the person was living there is irrelevant. It is only about selling within the first 5 years. This is really embarrassing stuff.
So there are 3 arguments
The tax which is a minor amount and up to HMRC (probably time limited anyway)
The election fraud which again is timed served if it existed
Moving out of the property early which seems to be a none story
You can bet with all of the money currently flowing to Labour, they are currently doing just that and will release it all as the election nears.
I am not sure this was a wise strategy.
I mean, you've essentially just claimed that Labour will (or may) do a release of various Tory MP dealings at the election, but cleansed them of any responsibility for doing so in advance because of this example. Yet is this really the first time a party's supporters have done such a thing? Guido is clearly batting more for Reform thesedays, though in this case interests are aligned with the Tories, but underhanded briefings and campaigns have long been a thing, would the thought never have occured without this case?
Whether a party feel it justified or wise in seeking to use information - be it genuinely bad or a bit of a smear - probably depends more on how they perceive their prospects if they stick to striking above the belt.
That is, will it be useful, and do they need it? What is the cost to their own credibility if they go dirty, and can they do it through proxies to keep a distance?
I would regard such a thing as political behaviour rather than partisan behaviour, in that it crops up across the spectrum. Which does not mean one side may not, in a particular moment, be more guilty of that behaviour.
And if one has nothing but pots of jelly, everything looks like a wall.
On the wider issue of exposing information, I think the current setup (is post-2010 expenses scandal, recall ballots etc), whilst being not-the-best-we-can-imagine, is a massive step forward from the corruption tolerating system that existed before. I'm choosing my words carefully, but I think it's the right description.
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After about 20 minutes of trying, have managed to load PB from China. Now I find I have nothing interesting to say. Plus ça change.7
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So never then.BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Why are you not convinced of July?Benpointer said:
Stick with it - you'll be right eventually!BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Yeah indeed, I didn't say my predictions were reliable! I've never been particularly sure about an election at the end of the yearBenpointer said:
...presumably ever since your previous confident assertion that it was going to be 2nd May became impossible?BatteryCorrectHorse said:
I am confident it will be in June or July and have been for some weeks.Scott_xP said:@AnushkaAsthana
Most folk in Downing Street and CCHQ will still make argument for an Autumn election- but sources tell me some v senior folk have made argument for alternative- calling it immediately after locals and holding on July 4
For what it's worth I predicted 2nd May too. Now I'd guess 12 December - five years since the previous election.
I think the locals will be terrible but not as terrible as people think and Sunak will think it's now or never.0 -
You have had 5 likes before 4.20, so there are plenty of night owls about.carnforth said:After about 20 minutes of trying, have managed to load PB from China. Now I find I have nothing interesting to say. Plus ça change.
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Yes, but you say nothing with such élan.carnforth said:After about 20 minutes of trying, have managed to load PB from China. Now I find I have nothing interesting to say. Plus ça change.
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New thread.0
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I live near Basingstoke and drove through there on Monday and took the train from there too.BatteryCorrectHorse said:For some local knowledge, really hope people jump on Basingstoke turning red. I was there last weekend and I've never seen so many "vote Labour" signs.
I didn't see a single one.0 -
I'm almost tempted to travel to Basingstoke myself to unravel this mystery... Almost.Casino_Royale said:
I live near Basingstoke and drove through there on Monday and took the train from there too.BatteryCorrectHorse said:For some local knowledge, really hope people jump on Basingstoke turning red. I was there last weekend and I've never seen so many "vote Labour" signs.
I didn't see a single one.
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It probably will be one on its current boundaries. Labour came close in 2001 and got over 20k votes in the 2017GE for peak Corbyn.OnlyLivingBoy said:
I'm almost tempted to travel to Basingstoke myself to unravel this mystery... Almost.Casino_Royale said:
I live near Basingstoke and drove through there on Monday and took the train from there too.BatteryCorrectHorse said:For some local knowledge, really hope people jump on Basingstoke turning red. I was there last weekend and I've never seen so many "vote Labour" signs.
I didn't see a single one.
Basingstoke would certainly be an unlikely Labour gain.
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How much is that because election posters aren't as much of a thing any more?Casino_Royale said:
It probably will be one on its current boundaries. Labour came close in 2001 and got over 20k votes in the 2017GE for peak Corbyn.OnlyLivingBoy said:
I'm almost tempted to travel to Basingstoke myself to unravel this mystery... Almost.Casino_Royale said:
I live near Basingstoke and drove through there on Monday and took the train from there too.BatteryCorrectHorse said:For some local knowledge, really hope people jump on Basingstoke turning red. I was there last weekend and I've never seen so many "vote Labour" signs.
I didn't see a single one.
Basingstoke would certainly be an unlikely Labour gain.
But I still didn't see any Labour posters.
Killed off by a combination of weaker party affiliation, fear of vandalism and the lack of a good cheap day-glow blue?0
