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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,045
    boulay said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Film Star, Armed Robber and murderer the Buffalo Bill's most infamous running back THE JUICE has popped his clogs.

    You can now just not include the strike through Shirley?
    You can't defame the dead, so we could say what we like?
    Racists cop tried to frame him, thank God heroic lawyers like Robert Shapiro, F. Lee Bailey, and Johnny Cochrane ensured justice prevailed.

    Ugh, apologies for the horrific tautology of heroic lawyers.

    Nigelb said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Film Star, Armed Robber and murderer the Buffalo Bill's most infamous running back THE JUICE has popped his clogs.

    You can now just not include the strike through Shirley?
    You can't defame the dead, so we could say what we like?
    MURDERER, armed robber, film star and star Running Back... ;) That better ?
    Unconvicted murderer; convicted armed robber.
    Adjudged a killer on the balance of probabilities.

    To be a pedant.

    (Also played for the Niners.)
    Now he's dead, we're all free to describe him as we see fir. He can't do anything about it. The legal position is, of course, as you describe it. But then the legal position is the Savile was an unconvicted sex abuser; that didn't mean he didn't do it.
    Can we blame OJ for the Kardashians, or is that a little too harsh?
    Yes, it can be entirely blamed for the hideous outbreak of Nazi Space Lizards

    Cardasians



    Kardashians


    Collagens, surely?
    The actor that played Garak in Deep Space Nine also played the serial killer Scorpio in Dirty Harry and object of you feel lucky, punk. I'd say not a lot of people know that but this is nerdsdopoliticalbetting.com

    Looks quite a benevolent sort nowadays.







    I always thought his characterisation of the villain in Dirty Harry was what all rather modern actors who play the Joker are basing it on, maybe without knowing. A creepy, strange noise making weirdo with a bit of brains but decidedly unhinged.
    SeanT? ;)
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    boulay said:

    O/T Gordon Brown sold 56% of the UK’s gold reserves at an average price of $275 per oz. He raised $3.5 billion.

    Today those 401 tonnes would be worth approx $26 billion. Genius.

    Funny thing is if you look at the sterling price, it was £270 in 1984 and did not reach that price again until 2006. Dollar price is more or less the same. Gold did not shoot up for some years after the gold sale.

    https://www.gold.co.uk/gold-price/gold-price-history/

    It all just goes to show that Mr T was the canniest investor of the 1980s. He saw the spike coming years before George Soros etc jumped on the bandwagon.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,692
    edited April 11

    boulay said:

    O/T Gordon Brown sold 56% of the UK’s gold reserves at an average price of $275 per oz. He raised $3.5 billion.

    Today those 401 tonnes would be worth approx $26 billion. Genius.

    Funny thing is if you look at the sterling price, it was £270 in 1984 and did not reach that price again until 2006. Dollar price is more or less the same. Gold did not shoot up for some years after the gold sale.

    https://www.gold.co.uk/gold-price/gold-price-history/

    I think the biggest criticism of Brown is he pre-announced the gold sale, which inevitably cratered the price, then dumped it at the lower price.

    If you're going to sell large volumes of an asset, then sell it then announce what you've done after you've done it, don't pre-announce it then do it. Also don't do it all at once, do it piecemeal over time.
    Fake news:

    "The UK government's intention to sell gold and reinvest the proceeds in foreign currency deposits, including euros, was announced on 7 May 1999, when the price of gold stood at US$282.40 per ounce... ...The UK eventually sold about 395 tonnes of gold over 17 auctions from July 1999 to March 2002, at an average price of about US$275 per ounce"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999–2002_sale_of_United_Kingdom_gold_reserves

    The price 'cratered' by 2.6%.
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    boulayboulay Posts: 3,961

    boulay said:

    O/T Gordon Brown sold 56% of the UK’s gold reserves at an average price of $275 per oz. He raised $3.5 billion.

    Today those 401 tonnes would be worth approx $26 billion. Genius.

    Funny thing is if you look at the sterling price, it was £270 in 1984 and did not reach that price again until 2006. Dollar price is more or less the same. Gold did not shoot up for some years after the gold sale.

    https://www.gold.co.uk/gold-price/gold-price-history/

    It all just goes to show that Mr T was the canniest investor of the 1980s. He saw the spike coming years before George Soros etc jumped on the bandwagon.
    Also Mr T, unlike Mrs T, saw the benefits of daily drinking of milk. He was a visionary.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,793
    Re header: TSE, the most ridiculous baloonery! Or is it kite-ery? Or UFO-ery (calm down Leon)
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    SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 6,259
    edited April 11
    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    O/T Gordon Brown sold 56% of the UK’s gold reserves at an average price of $275 per oz. He raised $3.5 billion.

    Today those 401 tonnes would be worth approx $26 billion. Genius.

    Funny thing is if you look at the sterling price, it was £270 in 1984 and did not reach that price again until 2006. Dollar price is more or less the same. Gold did not shoot up for some years after the gold sale.

    https://www.gold.co.uk/gold-price/gold-price-history/

    It all just goes to show that Mr T was the canniest investor of the 1980s. He saw the spike coming years before George Soros etc jumped on the bandwagon.
    Also Mr T, unlike Mrs T, saw the benefits of daily drinking of milk. He was a visionary.
    And he said "I ain't getting on no plane" long before Just Stop Oil started bunging orange powder about.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,803
    Omnium said:

    Re header: TSE, the most ridiculous baloonery! Or is it kite-ery? Or UFO-ery (calm down Leon)

    A barrage of the stuff. Quite appropriate for London, really.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,848
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    The late Norm Macdonald was fired from SNL for this ten minute piece on OJ.
    https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1778435191536525451

    Norm Macdonald is a comedy legend, and the OJ stuff that got him fired from SNL only made him more of a comedy legend...
    ...or so the Germans would have us believe. 😎
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,451
    edited April 11

    boulay said:

    O/T Gordon Brown sold 56% of the UK’s gold reserves at an average price of $275 per oz. He raised $3.5 billion.

    Today those 401 tonnes would be worth approx $26 billion. Genius.

    Funny thing is if you look at the sterling price, it was £270 in 1984 and did not reach that price again until 2006. Dollar price is more or less the same. Gold did not shoot up for some years after the gold sale.

    https://www.gold.co.uk/gold-price/gold-price-history/

    I think the biggest criticism of Brown is he pre-announced the gold sale, which inevitably cratered the price, then dumped it at the lower price.

    If you're going to sell large volumes of an asset, then sell it then announce what you've done after you've done it, don't pre-announce it then do it. Also don't do it all at once, do it piecemeal over time.
    Which was largely down to Gordon Brown getting rid of the BoE Gold Unit, which handled buying and selling since Back In The Day. They made a profit each year since they started. But… gold was old fashioned - so binned.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,793
    Carnyx said:

    boulay said:

    O/T Gordon Brown sold 56% of the UK’s gold reserves at an average price of $275 per oz. He raised $3.5 billion.

    Today those 401 tonnes would be worth approx $26 billion. Genius.

    What are the council houses that were sold worth now?
    Interesting thought. Gold doesn't need to be maintained and repainted every now and then. OTOH it doesn't bring in a penny of rent and if anything has a negative interest rate in terms of the security needed. Nor can you live in it.
    If you had enough gold it's make a great house in some ways. Council tax is capped, and you'd never have to repair your walls. Insurance might be an issue though.
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    boulayboulay Posts: 3,961

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    O/T Gordon Brown sold 56% of the UK’s gold reserves at an average price of $275 per oz. He raised $3.5 billion.

    Today those 401 tonnes would be worth approx $26 billion. Genius.

    Funny thing is if you look at the sterling price, it was £270 in 1984 and did not reach that price again until 2006. Dollar price is more or less the same. Gold did not shoot up for some years after the gold sale.

    https://www.gold.co.uk/gold-price/gold-price-history/

    It all just goes to show that Mr T was the canniest investor of the 1980s. He saw the spike coming years before George Soros etc jumped on the bandwagon.
    Also Mr T, unlike Mrs T, saw the benefits of daily drinking of milk. He was a visionary.
    And he said "I ain't getting on no plane" long before Just Stop Oil started bunging orange powder about.
    I remember seeing a photo of a kebab shop called “Mr T’s” and the signage below the “Mr T’s” logo read “I pitta the fool”. Which I thought was excellent.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,848

    I do not get involved in the gender debate usually but the Cass report seems to have emboldened J K Rowling, Julie Bindel, Judy Murray and others and caused real issues for labour with Wes Steeting making a fulsome apology for his previous comments and then coming under attack from some of his colleagues

    Furthermore if this report from Guido is true then Sky seem to have real internal problems with this subject

    https://order-order.com/2024/04/11/sky-trans-activist-staff-demand-sky-news-editorial-veto/

    "Trans activist"
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    boulay said:

    O/T Gordon Brown sold 56% of the UK’s gold reserves at an average price of $275 per oz. He raised $3.5 billion.

    Today those 401 tonnes would be worth approx $26 billion. Genius.

    Funny thing is if you look at the sterling price, it was £270 in 1984 and did not reach that price again until 2006. Dollar price is more or less the same. Gold did not shoot up for some years after the gold sale.

    https://www.gold.co.uk/gold-price/gold-price-history/

    I think the biggest criticism of Brown is he pre-announced the gold sale, which inevitably cratered the price, then dumped it at the lower price.

    If you're going to sell large volumes of an asset, then sell it then announce what you've done after you've done it, don't pre-announce it then do it. Also don't do it all at once, do it piecemeal over time.
    Fake news:

    "The UK government's intention to sell gold and reinvest the proceeds in foreign currency deposits, including euros, was announced on 7 May 1999, when the price of gold stood at US$282.40 per ounce... ...The UK eventually sold about 395 tonnes of gold over 17 auctions from July 1999 to March 2002, at an average price of about US$275 per ounce"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999–2002_sale_of_United_Kingdom_gold_reserves

    The price 'cratered' by 2.6%.
    Rather selective quoting there.

    The advance notice of the substantial sales drove the price of gold down by 10% by the time of the first auction on 6 July 1999.[1]
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,848
    Carnyx said:

    boulay said:

    O/T Gordon Brown sold 56% of the UK’s gold reserves at an average price of $275 per oz. He raised $3.5 billion.

    Today those 401 tonnes would be worth approx $26 billion. Genius.

    It's easy to be wise after the event, how long ago was that anyway?
    Middle Jurassic. Or at least it feels that long, the way the Tories have been creating catastrophes like a bolide in the Yucatan Peninsula.
    I got that reference. 😎
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    HeathenerHeathener Posts: 5,265

    boulay said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Film Star, Armed Robber and murderer the Buffalo Bill's most infamous running back THE JUICE has popped his clogs.

    You can now just not include the strike through Shirley?
    You can't defame the dead, so we could say what we like?
    Racists cop tried to frame him, thank God heroic lawyers like Robert Shapiro, F. Lee Bailey, and Johnny Cochrane ensured justice prevailed.

    Ugh, apologies for the horrific tautology of heroic lawyers.

    Nigelb said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Film Star, Armed Robber and murderer the Buffalo Bill's most infamous running back THE JUICE has popped his clogs.

    You can now just not include the strike through Shirley?
    You can't defame the dead, so we could say what we like?
    MURDERER, armed robber, film star and star Running Back... ;) That better ?
    Unconvicted murderer; convicted armed robber.
    Adjudged a killer on the balance of probabilities.

    To be a pedant.

    (Also played for the Niners.)
    Now he's dead, we're all free to describe him as we see fir. He can't do anything about it. The legal position is, of course, as you describe it. But then the legal position is the Savile was an unconvicted sex abuser; that didn't mean he didn't do it.
    Can we blame OJ for the Kardashians, or is that a little too harsh?
    Yes, it can be entirely blamed for the hideous outbreak of Nazi Space Lizards

    Cardasians



    Kardashians


    Collagens, surely?
    The actor that played Garak in Deep Space Nine also played the serial killer Scorpio in Dirty Harry and object of you feel lucky, punk. I'd say not a lot of people know that but this is nerdsdopoliticalbetting.com

    Looks quite a benevolent sort nowadays.







    I always thought his characterisation of the villain in Dirty Harry was what all rather modern actors who play the Joker are basing it on, maybe without knowing. A creepy, strange noise making weirdo with a bit of brains but decidedly unhinged.
    SeanT? ;)
    Lol
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    OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,122

    boulay said:

    O/T Gordon Brown sold 56% of the UK’s gold reserves at an average price of $275 per oz. He raised $3.5 billion.

    Today those 401 tonnes would be worth approx $26 billion. Genius.

    Funny thing is if you look at the sterling price, it was £270 in 1984 and did not reach that price again until 2006. Dollar price is more or less the same. Gold did not shoot up for some years after the gold sale.

    https://www.gold.co.uk/gold-price/gold-price-history/

    I think the biggest criticism of Brown is he pre-announced the gold sale, which inevitably cratered the price, then dumped it at the lower price.

    If you're going to sell large volumes of an asset, then sell it then announce what you've done after you've done it, don't pre-announce it then do it. Also don't do it all at once, do it piecemeal over time.
    I'm sure the Tory press would have been delighted if he'd sold the gold without telling anyone. Of course ex post it would have been better to have sold at a higher price. In fact, why didn't he buy a whole lot more gold, it was so cheap. What a moron! He should have raised taxes, bought £100bn of gold, then sold it once it appreciated massively in price a few years later at a huge profit and given everyone in the country a cheque from the proceeds. He could have bought Bitcoin! Why didn't he buy Nvidia? Worst Chancellor ever!
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    SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 6,259
    edited April 11
    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    O/T Gordon Brown sold 56% of the UK’s gold reserves at an average price of $275 per oz. He raised $3.5 billion.

    Today those 401 tonnes would be worth approx $26 billion. Genius.

    Funny thing is if you look at the sterling price, it was £270 in 1984 and did not reach that price again until 2006. Dollar price is more or less the same. Gold did not shoot up for some years after the gold sale.

    https://www.gold.co.uk/gold-price/gold-price-history/

    It all just goes to show that Mr T was the canniest investor of the 1980s. He saw the spike coming years before George Soros etc jumped on the bandwagon.
    Also Mr T, unlike Mrs T, saw the benefits of daily drinking of milk. He was a visionary.
    And he said "I ain't getting on no plane" long before Just Stop Oil started bunging orange powder about.
    I remember seeing a photo of a kebab shop called “Mr T’s” and the signage below the “Mr T’s” logo read “I pitta the fool”. Which I thought was excellent.
    Again, he pitied the fool years before woke teaching practices became the norm, back when the fool could expect to be given a pretty hard time by those in authority.
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    boulay said:

    O/T Gordon Brown sold 56% of the UK’s gold reserves at an average price of $275 per oz. He raised $3.5 billion.

    Today those 401 tonnes would be worth approx $26 billion. Genius.

    Funny thing is if you look at the sterling price, it was £270 in 1984 and did not reach that price again until 2006. Dollar price is more or less the same. Gold did not shoot up for some years after the gold sale.

    https://www.gold.co.uk/gold-price/gold-price-history/

    I think the biggest criticism of Brown is he pre-announced the gold sale, which inevitably cratered the price, then dumped it at the lower price.

    If you're going to sell large volumes of an asset, then sell it then announce what you've done after you've done it, don't pre-announce it then do it. Also don't do it all at once, do it piecemeal over time.
    I'm sure the Tory press would have been delighted if he'd sold the gold without telling anyone. Of course ex post it would have been better to have sold at a higher price. In fact, why didn't he buy a whole lot more gold, it was so cheap. What a moron! He should have raised taxes, bought £100bn of gold, then sold it once it appreciated massively in price a few years later at a huge profit and given everyone in the country a cheque from the proceeds. He could have bought Bitcoin! Why didn't he buy Nvidia? Worst Chancellor ever!
    Selling without telling anyone until after the fact is standard operating procedure. For bloody good reason.

    Hindsight is 2020, but you don't need hindsight to say you don't pre-announce you're dumping a huge amount of an asset before you've done it.
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    HeathenerHeathener Posts: 5,265
    Popped on here to see if anything interesting was being posted and see that instead the trans-obsession is in full swing.

    The question isn’t the one that Malcolm posted. It’s why so many men are obsessed about it. Note how few people have any knowledge of, or are able to discuss, female to male transgenderism.

    Quite enough on this.

    Have a nice evening.

    Actually, the far more important question is which of the 3 English football teams to watch tonight?
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,793

    boulay said:

    O/T Gordon Brown sold 56% of the UK’s gold reserves at an average price of $275 per oz. He raised $3.5 billion.

    Today those 401 tonnes would be worth approx $26 billion. Genius.

    Funny thing is if you look at the sterling price, it was £270 in 1984 and did not reach that price again until 2006. Dollar price is more or less the same. Gold did not shoot up for some years after the gold sale.

    https://www.gold.co.uk/gold-price/gold-price-history/

    I think the biggest criticism of Brown is he pre-announced the gold sale, which inevitably cratered the price, then dumped it at the lower price.

    If you're going to sell large volumes of an asset, then sell it then announce what you've done after you've done it, don't pre-announce it then do it. Also don't do it all at once, do it piecemeal over time.
    Which was largely down to Gordon Brown getting rid of the BoE Gold Unit, which handled buying and selling since Back In The Day. They made a profit each year since they started. But… gold was old fashioned - so binned.
    I was once responsible for a daily gold market transaction - it wasn't terribly large (I think 50k oz), but because it happened every day and the market despite what one would think is quite small, it became a notable thing.

    The stores of gold all around the world are huge. The free market quite small.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,312
    Omnium said:

    Re header: TSE, the most ridiculous baloonery! Or is it kite-ery? Or UFO-ery (calm down Leon)

    You called?
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    OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,122

    boulay said:

    O/T Gordon Brown sold 56% of the UK’s gold reserves at an average price of $275 per oz. He raised $3.5 billion.

    Today those 401 tonnes would be worth approx $26 billion. Genius.

    Funny thing is if you look at the sterling price, it was £270 in 1984 and did not reach that price again until 2006. Dollar price is more or less the same. Gold did not shoot up for some years after the gold sale.

    https://www.gold.co.uk/gold-price/gold-price-history/

    I think the biggest criticism of Brown is he pre-announced the gold sale, which inevitably cratered the price, then dumped it at the lower price.

    If you're going to sell large volumes of an asset, then sell it then announce what you've done after you've done it, don't pre-announce it then do it. Also don't do it all at once, do it piecemeal over time.
    I'm sure the Tory press would have been delighted if he'd sold the gold without telling anyone. Of course ex post it would have been better to have sold at a higher price. In fact, why didn't he buy a whole lot more gold, it was so cheap. What a moron! He should have raised taxes, bought £100bn of gold, then sold it once it appreciated massively in price a few years later at a huge profit and given everyone in the country a cheque from the proceeds. He could have bought Bitcoin! Why didn't he buy Nvidia? Worst Chancellor ever!
    Selling without telling anyone until after the fact is standard operating procedure. For bloody good reason.

    Hindsight is 2020, but you don't need hindsight to say you don't pre-announce you're dumping a huge amount of an asset before you've done it.
    How can you sell over a period of 3 years and keep it secret when the BOE's reserves holdings are published every month?
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,312
    I saw something really chilling today. No it wasn't UFOs or AIs or Putinbots. It was people OBVIOUSLY strung out on Fentanyl on the streets of Camden. I've seen Fent addicts in America and they are unmistakeable, the zombie gait, the juddering limbs, the vacant eyes - or the way they can lie stock still for hours on cold hard concrete in the middle of the day.

    It's here, and it's BAD. America has 100,000 overdose deaths a year. If Britain goes down the same road, we will see 20,000 deaths a year, plus all the attendant social and medical ills. The NHS will get crushed. And this will happen all across Europe

    And I am not imagining it in some fever dream

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/tranq-dope-zombies-fill-streets-32532478
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,202
    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    O/T Gordon Brown sold 56% of the UK’s gold reserves at an average price of $275 per oz. He raised $3.5 billion.

    Today those 401 tonnes would be worth approx $26 billion. Genius.

    Funny thing is if you look at the sterling price, it was £270 in 1984 and did not reach that price again until 2006. Dollar price is more or less the same. Gold did not shoot up for some years after the gold sale.

    https://www.gold.co.uk/gold-price/gold-price-history/

    It all just goes to show that Mr T was the canniest investor of the 1980s. He saw the spike coming years before George Soros etc jumped on the bandwagon.
    Also Mr T, unlike Mrs T, saw the benefits of daily drinking of milk. He was a visionary.
    And he said "I ain't getting on no plane" long before Just Stop Oil started bunging orange powder about.
    I remember seeing a photo of a kebab shop called “Mr T’s” and the signage below the “Mr T’s” logo read “I pitta the fool”. Which I thought was excellent.
    That’s fabulous.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,793
    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Re header: TSE, the most ridiculous baloonery! Or is it kite-ery? Or UFO-ery (calm down Leon)

    You called?
    Not really. Nice to see you back after your lay-off. Seems like just moments though.

    I see they've closed off Primrose hill in the evenings now - I hope ET knows - it really was THE place for first contact. Slightly hilly, good pubs nearby, and even the BBC could get a camera crew there sharpish.
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    Oh I see Leon is back to the other account, presumably the alt from last night didn't get the response they were looking for.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,312
    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Re header: TSE, the most ridiculous baloonery! Or is it kite-ery? Or UFO-ery (calm down Leon)

    You called?
    Not really. Nice to see you back after your lay-off. Seems like just moments though.

    I see they've closed off Primrose hill in the evenings now - I hope ET knows - it really was THE place for first contact. Slightly hilly, good pubs nearby, and even the BBC could get a camera crew there sharpish.
    Yes, it's a little bit sad, but it is only closed at weekends. I can also see why, it was getting extremely sketchy
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    boulayboulay Posts: 3,961
    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Re header: TSE, the most ridiculous baloonery! Or is it kite-ery? Or UFO-ery (calm down Leon)

    You called?
    I’m liking this new beetlejuice incarnation of you where we can summon you. It’s comforting that you are keeping an eye on us like some mischievous spirit who can be resurrected to sow mayhem.
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    boulay said:

    O/T Gordon Brown sold 56% of the UK’s gold reserves at an average price of $275 per oz. He raised $3.5 billion.

    Today those 401 tonnes would be worth approx $26 billion. Genius.

    Funny thing is if you look at the sterling price, it was £270 in 1984 and did not reach that price again until 2006. Dollar price is more or less the same. Gold did not shoot up for some years after the gold sale.

    https://www.gold.co.uk/gold-price/gold-price-history/

    I think the biggest criticism of Brown is he pre-announced the gold sale, which inevitably cratered the price, then dumped it at the lower price.

    If you're going to sell large volumes of an asset, then sell it then announce what you've done after you've done it, don't pre-announce it then do it. Also don't do it all at once, do it piecemeal over time.
    I'm sure the Tory press would have been delighted if he'd sold the gold without telling anyone. Of course ex post it would have been better to have sold at a higher price. In fact, why didn't he buy a whole lot more gold, it was so cheap. What a moron! He should have raised taxes, bought £100bn of gold, then sold it once it appreciated massively in price a few years later at a huge profit and given everyone in the country a cheque from the proceeds. He could have bought Bitcoin! Why didn't he buy Nvidia? Worst Chancellor ever!
    Selling without telling anyone until after the fact is standard operating procedure. For bloody good reason.

    Hindsight is 2020, but you don't need hindsight to say you don't pre-announce you're dumping a huge amount of an asset before you've done it.
    How can you sell over a period of 3 years and keep it secret when the BOE's reserves holdings are published every month?
    You announce whatever you've done after the sale at the standard publishing date, rather than before it?
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,848
    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Re header: TSE, the most ridiculous baloonery! Or is it kite-ery? Or UFO-ery (calm down Leon)

    You called?
    I’m liking this new beetlejuice incarnation of you where we can summon you. It’s comforting that you are keeping an eye on us like some mischievous spirit who can be resurrected to sow mayhem.
    I was thinking more Candyman myself... 😀
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,312
    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Re header: TSE, the most ridiculous baloonery! Or is it kite-ery? Or UFO-ery (calm down Leon)

    You called?
    I’m liking this new beetlejuice incarnation of you where we can summon you. It’s comforting that you are keeping an eye on us like some mischievous spirit who can be resurrected to sow mayhem.
    I genuinely and only came back to talk about this Fentanyl thing, because it is SO alarming. The problem is, I don't see how we stop it, in America they've tried everything and nothing works

    Only the Singapore method, with a dash of El Salvador, MIGHT do the trick. Massive prison sentence and lots of executions: total intolerance

    The altenative is, without doubt, thousands and thousands of deaths, and the health system in even deeper crisis
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    CatManCatMan Posts: 2,772
    Nigelb said:

    CatMan said:

    Nigelb said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Film Star, Armed Robber and murderer the Buffalo Bill's most infamous running back THE JUICE has popped his clogs.

    You can now just not include the strike through Shirley?
    You can't defame the dead, so we could say what we like?
    You can in South Korea, and can be sued for it, FWIW.
    Can't you be sued even if what you say is true, but criticises their character or something?
    Yes.
    How the hell does that work though? If someone robs a bank, and you call them a thief, they sue you because it's not a nice thing to be called a thief?
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,848
    Taz said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    O/T Gordon Brown sold 56% of the UK’s gold reserves at an average price of $275 per oz. He raised $3.5 billion.

    Today those 401 tonnes would be worth approx $26 billion. Genius.

    Funny thing is if you look at the sterling price, it was £270 in 1984 and did not reach that price again until 2006. Dollar price is more or less the same. Gold did not shoot up for some years after the gold sale.

    https://www.gold.co.uk/gold-price/gold-price-history/

    It all just goes to show that Mr T was the canniest investor of the 1980s. He saw the spike coming years before George Soros etc jumped on the bandwagon.
    Also Mr T, unlike Mrs T, saw the benefits of daily drinking of milk. He was a visionary.
    And he said "I ain't getting on no plane" long before Just Stop Oil started bunging orange powder about.
    I remember seeing a photo of a kebab shop called “Mr T’s” and the signage below the “Mr T’s” logo read “I pitta the fool”. Which I thought was excellent.
    That’s fabulous.
    I love it when a plan comes together...😀
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    boulayboulay Posts: 3,961
    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Re header: TSE, the most ridiculous baloonery! Or is it kite-ery? Or UFO-ery (calm down Leon)

    You called?
    I’m liking this new beetlejuice incarnation of you where we can summon you. It’s comforting that you are keeping an eye on us like some mischievous spirit who can be resurrected to sow mayhem.
    I genuinely and only came back to talk about this Fentanyl thing, because it is SO alarming. The problem is, I don't see how we stop it, in America they've tried everything and nothing works

    Only the Singapore method, with a dash of El Salvador, MIGHT do the trick. Massive prison sentence and lots of executions: total intolerance

    The altenative is, without doubt, thousands and thousands of deaths, and the health system in even deeper crisis
    It is very worrying and undoubtedly it’s being made worse by foreign parties pushing it as they know the mayhem it causes knowing it won’t happen to them as they will happily execute anyone in the game but if the US and UK have huge societal problems from fent and variants then we will tie ourselves in knots trying to solve it nicely rather than cutting the head off the problem.
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    CatManCatMan Posts: 2,772
    Leon said:

    I saw something really chilling today. No it wasn't UFOs or AIs or Putinbots. It was people OBVIOUSLY strung out on Fentanyl on the streets of Camden. I've seen Fent addicts in America and they are unmistakeable, the zombie gait, the juddering limbs, the vacant eyes - or the way they can lie stock still for hours on cold hard concrete in the middle of the day.

    It's here, and it's BAD. America has 100,000 overdose deaths a year. If Britain goes down the same road, we will see 20,000 deaths a year, plus all the attendant social and medical ills. The NHS will get crushed. And this will happen all across Europe

    And I am not imagining it in some fever dream

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/tranq-dope-zombies-fill-streets-32532478

    This is what was feared would happen when the Taliban got back into power. They've caused a collapse in Heroin production, so the dealers are having to get new sources, hence the inevitable Fentanyl increase in Europe.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,298
    Leon said:

    I saw something really chilling today. No it wasn't UFOs or AIs or Putinbots. It was people OBVIOUSLY strung out on Fentanyl on the streets of Camden. I've seen Fent addicts in America and they are unmistakeable, the zombie gait, the juddering limbs, the vacant eyes - or the way they can lie stock still for hours on cold hard concrete in the middle of the day.

    It's here, and it's BAD. America has 100,000 overdose deaths a year. If Britain goes down the same road, we will see 20,000 deaths a year, plus all the attendant social and medical ills. The NHS will get crushed. And this will happen all across Europe

    And I am not imagining it in some fever dream

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/tranq-dope-zombies-fill-streets-32532478

    At least it makes them better able to cope with living in Camden.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,312
    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Re header: TSE, the most ridiculous baloonery! Or is it kite-ery? Or UFO-ery (calm down Leon)

    You called?
    I’m liking this new beetlejuice incarnation of you where we can summon you. It’s comforting that you are keeping an eye on us like some mischievous spirit who can be resurrected to sow mayhem.
    I genuinely and only came back to talk about this Fentanyl thing, because it is SO alarming. The problem is, I don't see how we stop it, in America they've tried everything and nothing works

    Only the Singapore method, with a dash of El Salvador, MIGHT do the trick. Massive prison sentence and lots of executions: total intolerance

    The altenative is, without doubt, thousands and thousands of deaths, and the health system in even deeper crisis
    It is very worrying and undoubtedly it’s being made worse by foreign parties pushing it as they know the mayhem it causes knowing it won’t happen to them as they will happily execute anyone in the game but if the US and UK have huge societal problems from fent and variants then we will tie ourselves in knots trying to solve it nicely rather than cutting the head off the problem.
    It is quite horrfying, and it is definitely happening. I have never seen zombies on Camden streets like today, they are completely unmistakeable, though I suppose some of them could be on tranq (which is even WORSE than Fent, as there is no antidote)

    https://unherd.com/newsroom/americas-opioid-crisis-is-coming-to-britain/

    In the end every democratic country will maybe vote for an El Salvador type president, if the alternative is societal collapse
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,215
    I am so fed up with Chairs of organisations - Sir this that and the other getting paid oodles for chairing organisations they have no bloody clue about, where they never bother to do any work or ask any questions.

    Honestly, there needs to be a special gulag for these ghastly lying self-satisfied overpaid arse-licking sloping-shouldered incompetents.

    Sir Michael Hodgkinson can go there for a start.

    And as for the David Smiths of this world - droning on about this that and the other like some dull dishrag: they should be sent to some farm to pick turnips which is all they're fit for.
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    CleitophonCleitophon Posts: 222
    Sometimes I wonder what reform voters imagine would happen if Reform actually got to form government... what would that look like? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 it would be pandemonium hahahahaha

    1) Tice as PM and 30 no names from spoons in various positions of high office with not a clue about what to do. How would their manifesto support and help their government upon the first encounter with reality?

    2) straight to "No deal brexit." Northern ireland out of the single market... immediate violence and outbreak of warlike conditions.

    3) The EU would slap 15% tarriffs on everything for leaving the deal..... Food. There would be shortages and galloping inflation within 3 weeks.

    4) Leaving the ECHR and mass deportations of asylums seekers and other unwantables etc would bring in sanctions from the international community grinding the economynto a halt.

    4) their tax reform would be Truss on steroids with a total market collapse and sky high interests rates.

    It would be pandemonium - everything they stand for is just ludicrous


    Hahahaha 😆 😂 😆 that was a good laugh. To me you might as well vote for lord bucket head.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,807
    Cyclefree said:

    I am so fed up with Chairs of organisations - Sir this that and the other getting paid oodles for chairing organisations they have no bloody clue about, where they never bother to do any work or ask any questions.

    But how else are we supposed to reward our chums who need a decent side gig to pay out thousands per year? Our buddies in Parliament have already given them a knighthood, and have to pretend we don't give out peerages for cash, they need something else.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,323
    Cyclefree said:

    TOPPING said:

    Sir Michael Hodgkinson seems a wrong 'un.

    I do not get involved in the gender debate usually but the Cass report seems to have emboldened J K Rowling, Julie Bindel, Judy Murray and others and caused real issues for labour with Wes Steeting making a fulsome apology for his previous comments and then coming under attack from some of his colleagues

    Furthermore if this report from Guido is true then Sky seem to have real internal problems with this subject

    https://order-order.com/2024/04/11/sky-trans-activist-staff-demand-sky-news-editorial-veto/

    Cass was highly critical about the toxicity of the debate, the vilification and bullying on social media, and so forth.
    I don't think Rowling, Bindel and Murray are doing anything to defuse that toxicity.
    Given that they have been proved right they are bloody well entitled to say "I told you so". It is not them making the debate toxic but those who tried to shut down and abused all those from Tavistock whistleblowers on who raised concerns, concerns it now turns out were well-founded.

    Streeting himself was one of those who treated Bindel appallingly - for which he should apologise.
    Streeting has apologised, but not sure directly to Bindel, but then he is critised for the apology

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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,848
    Cyclefree said:

    TOPPING said:

    Sir Michael Hodgkinson seems a wrong 'un.

    I do not get involved in the gender debate usually but the Cass report seems to have emboldened J K Rowling, Julie Bindel, Judy Murray and others and caused real issues for labour with Wes Steeting making a fulsome apology for his previous comments and then coming under attack from some of his colleagues

    Furthermore if this report from Guido is true then Sky seem to have real internal problems with this subject

    https://order-order.com/2024/04/11/sky-trans-activist-staff-demand-sky-news-editorial-veto/

    Cass was highly critical about the toxicity of the debate, the vilification and bullying on social media, and so forth.
    I don't think Rowling, Bindel and Murray are doing anything to defuse that toxicity.
    ...Tavistock whistleblowers on who raised concerns, concerns it now turns out were well-founded....
    This raises an interesting question. Much of the discussion about the Tavistock revolves around the number of children (and young adults?) who were *referred* to it. But little has been discussed about the number that were *treated* whilst children (if any?). I'm not even sure if that number is available: see my and Selebian's disquiet about the paucity of data. We should have RollsRoyce data but given the prediction of trans people to demand deletion of their data, and the resistance of the clinics to supply it, we are groping in the dark. It is ironic that Americans can reduce the number of CYAs who were treating by backtracking the insurance claims and scrips, but the Brits who have a NHS can only go "um".

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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,793
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    I saw something really chilling today. No it wasn't UFOs or AIs or Putinbots. It was people OBVIOUSLY strung out on Fentanyl on the streets of Camden. I've seen Fent addicts in America and they are unmistakeable, the zombie gait, the juddering limbs, the vacant eyes - or the way they can lie stock still for hours on cold hard concrete in the middle of the day.

    It's here, and it's BAD. America has 100,000 overdose deaths a year. If Britain goes down the same road, we will see 20,000 deaths a year, plus all the attendant social and medical ills. The NHS will get crushed. And this will happen all across Europe

    And I am not imagining it in some fever dream

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/tranq-dope-zombies-fill-streets-32532478

    At least it makes them better able to cope with living in Camden.
    I tried living in Islington once - which is a sort of Camden starter meal. I didn't much like it.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,215
    kle4 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    I am so fed up with Chairs of organisations - Sir this that and the other getting paid oodles for chairing organisations they have no bloody clue about, where they never bother to do any work or ask any questions.

    But how else are we supposed to reward our chums who need a decent side gig to pay out thousands per year? Our buddies in Parliament have already given them a knighthood, and have to pretend we don't give out peerages for cash, they need something else.
    I don't fucking care. They are all absolute bloody parasites on society. They have been instrumental in the degrading of our institutions, the destruction of trust and harm - real harm to real people. I am not willing to tolerate this chumocracy of incompetents and mediocrity a moment longer. It is not remotely funny - even in a Yes Minister ooh let's be cynical sort of way.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    While the 30% for Hall in London is still better than the current Tory rating, it would still be lower than every Conservative London Mayoral candidate has got in the first round of a Mayoral election apart from what Steve Norris got in 2000 and 2004. In both those elections Livingstone won the first round comfortably
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,467

    Sometimes I wonder what reform voters imagine would happen if Reform actually got to form government... what would that look like? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 it would be pandemonium hahahahaha

    1) Tice as PM and 30 no names from spoons in various positions of high office with not a clue about what to do. How would their manifesto support and help their government upon the first encounter with reality?

    2) straight to "No deal brexit." Northern ireland out of the single market... immediate violence and outbreak of warlike conditions.

    3) The EU would slap 15% tarriffs on everything for leaving the deal..... Food. There would be shortages and galloping inflation within 3 weeks.

    4) Leaving the ECHR and mass deportations of asylums seekers and other unwantables etc would bring in sanctions from the international community grinding the economynto a halt.

    4) their tax reform would be Truss on steroids with a total market collapse and sky high interests rates.

    It would be pandemonium - everything they stand for is just ludicrous


    Hahahaha 😆 😂 😆 that was a good laugh. To me you might as well vote for lord bucket head.

    I'm glad you found your post so amusing - at least someone will have derived enjoyment from it.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,312
    Omnium said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    I saw something really chilling today. No it wasn't UFOs or AIs or Putinbots. It was people OBVIOUSLY strung out on Fentanyl on the streets of Camden. I've seen Fent addicts in America and they are unmistakeable, the zombie gait, the juddering limbs, the vacant eyes - or the way they can lie stock still for hours on cold hard concrete in the middle of the day.

    It's here, and it's BAD. America has 100,000 overdose deaths a year. If Britain goes down the same road, we will see 20,000 deaths a year, plus all the attendant social and medical ills. The NHS will get crushed. And this will happen all across Europe

    And I am not imagining it in some fever dream

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/tranq-dope-zombies-fill-streets-32532478

    At least it makes them better able to cope with living in Camden.
    I tried living in Islington once - which is a sort of Camden starter meal. I didn't much like it.
    It wasn't great seeing Parkway full of gibbering psychos, it was like PB turned into a shopping street. Nor is it going to be great for property prices around here, not many people want to live in an episode of The Walking Dead
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    On topic - it is startling quite how much Khan is underperforming the Lab party in R&W London polling. Changes since September.

    Lab 51 (+4), Con 23 (-4), LD 13 (-4), G 7 (+3), Ref 5 (+1)
    Khan 43 (+10), Hall 30 (-2), G 10 (+1), LD 8 (-8), Ref 7 (+3)

    To me this suggests that this is is not an outlier poll. If these polls are as awry as last time then as TSE says there is much value in Hall. One caveat. The previous R&W poll had Khan only 1% ahead. So a 13% lead is not necessarily as skinny as it might appear. It really does raise the issue of candidate quality. Hall's choice may well cost the Cons a real chance at winning in London. I'm not sure what No 10 should fear most. Hall costing them a close election or Hall actually winning and feeling emboldened to speak 'her mind' in the run-up to the GE. That has chances to go all sorts of disastrous really quickly!
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,312
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    I saw something really chilling today. No it wasn't UFOs or AIs or Putinbots. It was people OBVIOUSLY strung out on Fentanyl on the streets of Camden. I've seen Fent addicts in America and they are unmistakeable, the zombie gait, the juddering limbs, the vacant eyes - or the way they can lie stock still for hours on cold hard concrete in the middle of the day.

    It's here, and it's BAD. America has 100,000 overdose deaths a year. If Britain goes down the same road, we will see 20,000 deaths a year, plus all the attendant social and medical ills. The NHS will get crushed. And this will happen all across Europe

    And I am not imagining it in some fever dream

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/tranq-dope-zombies-fill-streets-32532478

    At least it makes them better able to cope with living in Camden.
    Droll

    However even you down there on the island should be worried. If we repeat the American experience it is likely to be the smaller towns that get hit WORSE. eg Fentanyl and Tranq have done the most damage in the smaller American towns and cities of the MidWest and the Rustbelt, or rural Virginia and Kentucky

    Ventnor might become Fentnor
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,080

    Sometimes I wonder what reform voters imagine would happen if Reform actually got to form government... what would that look like? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 it would be pandemonium hahahahaha

    1) Tice as PM and 30 no names from spoons in various positions of high office with not a clue about what to do. How would their manifesto support and help their government upon the first encounter with reality?

    2) straight to "No deal brexit." Northern ireland out of the single market... immediate violence and outbreak of warlike conditions.

    3) The EU would slap 15% tarriffs on everything for leaving the deal..... Food. There would be shortages and galloping inflation within 3 weeks.

    4) Leaving the ECHR and mass deportations of asylums seekers and other unwantables etc would bring in sanctions from the international community grinding the economynto a halt.

    4) their tax reform would be Truss on steroids with a total market collapse and sky high interests rates.

    It would be pandemonium - everything they stand for is just ludicrous


    Hahahaha 😆 😂 😆 that was a good laugh. To me you might as well vote for lord bucket head.

    When do you expect the international community to sanction France for defying the ECHR in deporting asylum seekers?
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    stodgestodge Posts: 12,865
    Evening all :)

    Labour will actually be quite pleased with the R&W London mayoral poll as it will be a big weapon in the war against complacency among voters.

    Going into the entrails of the data, Khan leads 38-27 among those likely to vote with 12% DK so enough to tip the odds if they were to break overhelmingly for Hall. Khan's lead among men on this basis is just five points but among women he's 15 points ahead. Khan is 15 points up in Inner London and 8 points up in Outer London (actually good for Khan is that DKs are 18% in Inner London and 12% in Outer London).

    The more interesting finding is the age gap - among those aged 25-34, Khan's lead is 30 points and it's 13 points among those 35-44. The 45-54 age group is tied at 32 and among those 55-64, Hall leads by two and by four among those 65+. Not enough older voters to swing the balance towards Hall.

    R&W also carried out a GE survey and that had Labour on 51%, the Conservatives on 23% and the LDs on 13%. Greens are on 7% and Reform on 5% so a much lower Reform figure than in national polls and confirming the view Reform's strength is in provincial England.

    London voted 48-32-15 in December 2019 so that's just a 6% swing in the capital from Conservative to labour again suggesting much larger swings are happening in other parts of England. The Con-LD swing in London is just 3.5%.

    On these numbers, the Conservatives would lose seven seats in London, not really an extinction event. The bloc split was 66-33 in 2019 and is now 71-28 so a 5% move.
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    boulayboulay Posts: 3,961
    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    I saw something really chilling today. No it wasn't UFOs or AIs or Putinbots. It was people OBVIOUSLY strung out on Fentanyl on the streets of Camden. I've seen Fent addicts in America and they are unmistakeable, the zombie gait, the juddering limbs, the vacant eyes - or the way they can lie stock still for hours on cold hard concrete in the middle of the day.

    It's here, and it's BAD. America has 100,000 overdose deaths a year. If Britain goes down the same road, we will see 20,000 deaths a year, plus all the attendant social and medical ills. The NHS will get crushed. And this will happen all across Europe

    And I am not imagining it in some fever dream

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/tranq-dope-zombies-fill-streets-32532478

    At least it makes them better able to cope with living in Camden.
    I tried living in Islington once - which is a sort of Camden starter meal. I didn't much like it.
    It wasn't great seeing Parkway full of gibbering psychos, it was like PB turned into a shopping street. Nor is it going to be great for property prices around here, not many people want to live in an episode of The Walking Dead
    The council should round them all up on buses and then deposit them outside parliament - it might get MPs to take serious notice. Best to do it on a day when there are lots of outside broadcast people for some big parliament thingy.
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    Sometimes I wonder what reform voters imagine would happen if Reform actually got to form government... what would that look like? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 it would be pandemonium hahahahaha

    1) Tice as PM and 30 no names from spoons in various positions of high office with not a clue about what to do. How would their manifesto support and help their government upon the first encounter with reality?

    2) straight to "No deal brexit." Northern ireland out of the single market... immediate violence and outbreak of warlike conditions.

    3) The EU would slap 15% tarriffs on everything for leaving the deal..... Food. There would be shortages and galloping inflation within 3 weeks.

    4) Leaving the ECHR and mass deportations of asylums seekers and other unwantables etc would bring in sanctions from the international community grinding the economynto a halt.

    4) their tax reform would be Truss on steroids with a total market collapse and sky high interests rates.

    It would be pandemonium - everything they stand for is just ludicrous


    Hahahaha 😆 😂 😆 that was a good laugh. To me you might as well vote for lord bucket head.

    Reform are full of nonsense and utterly ridiculous.

    But Britain leaving the ECHR wouldn't bring a single sanction from the international community. Many democracies across the planet like Canada, New Zealand and Australia etc aren't in the ECHR and aren't sanctioned for not being in it.

    An accident of geography meaning we're in Europe is no reason whatsoever for us to be in the ECHR. We should only be in the ECHR if its the right thing for us, not what the rest of the planet thinks, nor because of geography.

    To be perfectly frank, the rest of the planet doesn't care about us enough to care if we're in the ECHR or any other pan-European institution or not.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,215
    edited April 11
    As you know, I am a professional investigator. So partly because of that and partly because I am genuinely interested (and partly, I suppose, because I'm a sad nerdy sort of lawyer) I read all the reports on the now innumerable scandals this country throws up and I listen to the evidence and then I try and write illuminating articles about this here and on my website and elsewhere.

    So to have the Post Office Inquiry restart and the Cass Review (which I will get round to reading in full) in the same week is a glut of riches (really a glut of shame and embarrassment and fury) but also a lot of work.

    Plus I am doing an investigation in a large Asian country and oh dear the evidence is pointing to a lot of naughtiness so that's taking a bit of time too.

    Still, this all takes my mind off the fact that it has now rained solidly for what must be longer than 40 days and 40 nights, it is still bloody raining and the garden has had quite enough - as have I - and that, shortly, I shall probably be afloat in the Irish Sea wondering where everyone is.

    Oh and the sun. I remember seeing it once.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,312

    On topic - it is startling quite how much Khan is underperforming the Lab party in R&W London polling. Changes since September.

    Lab 51 (+4), Con 23 (-4), LD 13 (-4), G 7 (+3), Ref 5 (+1)
    Khan 43 (+10), Hall 30 (-2), G 10 (+1), LD 8 (-8), Ref 7 (+3)

    To me this suggests that this is is not an outlier poll. If these polls are as awry as last time then as TSE says there is much value in Hall. One caveat. The previous R&W poll had Khan only 1% ahead. So a 13% lead is not necessarily as skinny as it might appear. It really does raise the issue of candidate quality. Hall's choice may well cost the Cons a real chance at winning in London. I'm not sure what No 10 should fear most. Hall costing them a close election or Hall actually winning and feeling emboldened to speak 'her mind' in the run-up to the GE. That has chances to go all sorts of disastrous really quickly!

    It's not startling if you live in London. Khan is a truly drreadful mayor. I don't know anyone that admires him (I am sure they exist but not in my circle, which is often quite bohemian and leftwing)

    He's a vacuity. A nothing. He wins by default because the Tories are so utterly useless at picking contenders

    I reckon a charismatic independent would have a chance; I am surprised no one has given it a go
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,848

    On topic - it is startling quite how much Khan is underperforming the Lab party in R&W London polling. Changes since September.

    Lab 51 (+4), Con 23 (-4), LD 13 (-4), G 7 (+3), Ref 5 (+1)
    Khan 43 (+10), Hall 30 (-2), G 10 (+1), LD 8 (-8), Ref 7 (+3)

    To me this suggests that this is is not an outlier poll. If these polls are as awry as last time then as TSE says there is much value in Hall. One caveat. The previous R&W poll had Khan only 1% ahead. So a 13% lead is not necessarily as skinny as it might appear. It really does raise the issue of candidate quality. Hall's choice may well cost the Cons a real chance at winning in London. I'm not sure what No 10 should fear most. Hall costing them a close election or Hall actually winning and feeling emboldened to speak 'her mind' in the run-up to the GE. That has chances to go all sorts of disastrous really quickly!

    It would be hysterically funny tho. 😀
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,467
    ...

    On topic - it is startling quite how much Khan is underperforming the Lab party in R&W London polling. Changes since September.

    Lab 51 (+4), Con 23 (-4), LD 13 (-4), G 7 (+3), Ref 5 (+1)
    Khan 43 (+10), Hall 30 (-2), G 10 (+1), LD 8 (-8), Ref 7 (+3)

    To me this suggests that this is is not an outlier poll. If these polls are as awry as last time then as TSE says there is much value in Hall. One caveat. The previous R&W poll had Khan only 1% ahead. So a 13% lead is not necessarily as skinny as it might appear. It really does raise the issue of candidate quality. Hall's choice may well cost the Cons a real chance at winning in London. I'm not sure what No 10 should fear most. Hall costing them a close election or Hall actually winning and feeling emboldened to speak 'her mind' in the run-up to the GE. That has chances to go all sorts of disastrous really quickly!

    That's CCHQ's fault for picking an alleged groper because he was a loyal lib dem and blocking more than one decent candidate because they were Tories. Of course it blew up in their cretinous faces and they were left with Hall.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,807
    Cyclefree said:

    kle4 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    I am so fed up with Chairs of organisations - Sir this that and the other getting paid oodles for chairing organisations they have no bloody clue about, where they never bother to do any work or ask any questions.

    But how else are we supposed to reward our chums who need a decent side gig to pay out thousands per year? Our buddies in Parliament have already given them a knighthood, and have to pretend we don't give out peerages for cash, they need something else.
    I don't fucking care. They are all absolute bloody parasites on society. They have been instrumental in the degrading of our institutions, the destruction of trust and harm - real harm to real people. I am not willing to tolerate this chumocracy of incompetents and mediocrity a moment longer. It is not remotely funny - even in a Yes Minister ooh let's be cynical sort of way.
    Black comedy is a thing, tragic and distressing things can absolutely still be game for comedy, don't think attempts at humour indicate a lack of genuine concern, that's just silly.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,467
    viewcode said:

    On topic - it is startling quite how much Khan is underperforming the Lab party in R&W London polling. Changes since September.

    Lab 51 (+4), Con 23 (-4), LD 13 (-4), G 7 (+3), Ref 5 (+1)
    Khan 43 (+10), Hall 30 (-2), G 10 (+1), LD 8 (-8), Ref 7 (+3)

    To me this suggests that this is is not an outlier poll. If these polls are as awry as last time then as TSE says there is much value in Hall. One caveat. The previous R&W poll had Khan only 1% ahead. So a 13% lead is not necessarily as skinny as it might appear. It really does raise the issue of candidate quality. Hall's choice may well cost the Cons a real chance at winning in London. I'm not sure what No 10 should fear most. Hall costing them a close election or Hall actually winning and feeling emboldened to speak 'her mind' in the run-up to the GE. That has chances to go all sorts of disastrous really quickly!

    It would be hysterically funny tho. 😀
    It's also a bit rich to raise the prospect of Hall bringing Sunak down when she's currently outpolling him by a significant margin. If anything, Sunak is dragging Hall down and it should be her worrying about him going anywhere near a TV camera.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,807

    On topic - it is startling quite how much Khan is underperforming the Lab party in R&W London polling. Changes since September.

    Lab 51 (+4), Con 23 (-4), LD 13 (-4), G 7 (+3), Ref 5 (+1)
    Khan 43 (+10), Hall 30 (-2), G 10 (+1), LD 8 (-8), Ref 7 (+3)

    To me this suggests that this is is not an outlier poll. If these polls are as awry as last time then as TSE says there is much value in Hall. One caveat. The previous R&W poll had Khan only 1% ahead. So a 13% lead is not necessarily as skinny as it might appear. It really does raise the issue of candidate quality. Hall's choice may well cost the Cons a real chance at winning in London. I'm not sure what No 10 should fear most. Hall costing them a close election or Hall actually winning and feeling emboldened to speak 'her mind' in the run-up to the GE. That has chances to go all sorts of disastrous really quickly!

    Bailey did better than people expected last time. But Khan would have to do so much worse than expected to be under any kind of threat this time.

    Not being exposed to London media the only thing I can really remember about Hall is she stupidly moaned about unflattering pictures of her being used, thus ensuring everyone saw the unflatting pictures even more, which is not a great sign of her judgement.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,323

    Sometimes I wonder what reform voters imagine would happen if Reform actually got to form government... what would that look like? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 it would be pandemonium hahahahaha

    1) Tice as PM and 30 no names from spoons in various positions of high office with not a clue about what to do. How would their manifesto support and help their government upon the first encounter with reality?

    2) straight to "No deal brexit." Northern ireland out of the single market... immediate violence and outbreak of warlike conditions.

    3) The EU would slap 15% tarriffs on everything for leaving the deal..... Food. There would be shortages and galloping inflation within 3 weeks.

    4) Leaving the ECHR and mass deportations of asylums seekers and other unwantables etc would bring in sanctions from the international community grinding the economynto a halt.

    4) their tax reform would be Truss on steroids with a total market collapse and sky high interests rates.

    It would be pandemonium - everything they stand for is just ludicrous


    Hahahaha 😆 😂 😆 that was a good laugh. To me you might as well vote for lord bucket head.

    Reform are full of nonsense and utterly ridiculous.

    But Britain leaving the ECHR wouldn't bring a single sanction from the international community. Many democracies across the planet like Canada, New Zealand and Australia etc aren't in the ECHR and aren't sanctioned for not being in it.

    An accident of geography meaning we're in Europe is no reason whatsoever for us to be in the ECHR. We should only be in the ECHR if its the right thing for us, not what the rest of the planet thinks, nor because of geography.

    To be perfectly frank, the rest of the planet doesn't care about us enough to care if we're in the ECHR or any other pan-European institution or not.
    You overlooked that leaving the ECHR would have consequences for the WF and the GFA which immediately triggers US involvement

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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,807
    Leon said:

    On topic - it is startling quite how much Khan is underperforming the Lab party in R&W London polling. Changes since September.

    Lab 51 (+4), Con 23 (-4), LD 13 (-4), G 7 (+3), Ref 5 (+1)
    Khan 43 (+10), Hall 30 (-2), G 10 (+1), LD 8 (-8), Ref 7 (+3)

    To me this suggests that this is is not an outlier poll. If these polls are as awry as last time then as TSE says there is much value in Hall. One caveat. The previous R&W poll had Khan only 1% ahead. So a 13% lead is not necessarily as skinny as it might appear. It really does raise the issue of candidate quality. Hall's choice may well cost the Cons a real chance at winning in London. I'm not sure what No 10 should fear most. Hall costing them a close election or Hall actually winning and feeling emboldened to speak 'her mind' in the run-up to the GE. That has chances to go all sorts of disastrous really quickly!

    It's not startling if you live in London. Khan is a truly drreadful mayor. I don't know anyone that admires him (I am sure they exist but not in my circle, which is often quite bohemian and leftwing)

    He's a vacuity. A nothing. He wins by default because the Tories are so utterly useless at picking contenders

    I reckon a charismatic independent would have a chance; I am surprised no one has given it a go
    Well, there is Count Binface - I'm hoping he gets more than the 1% he got last time, but it being FPTP this time may sink that.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,312

    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    TOPPING said:

    Sir Michael Hodgkinson seems a wrong 'un.

    I do not get involved in the gender debate usually but the Cass report seems to have emboldened J K Rowling, Julie Bindel, Judy Murray and others and caused real issues for labour with Wes Steeting making a fulsome apology for his previous comments and then coming under attack from some of his colleagues

    Furthermore if this report from Guido is true then Sky seem to have real internal problems with this subject

    https://order-order.com/2024/04/11/sky-trans-activist-staff-demand-sky-news-editorial-veto/

    Cass was highly critical about the toxicity of the debate, the vilification and bullying on social media, and so forth.
    I don't think Rowling, Bindel and Murray are doing anything to defuse that toxicity.
    Given that they have been proved right they are bloody well entitled to say "I told you so". It is not them making the debate toxic but those who tried to shut down and abused all those from Tavistock whistleblowers on who raised concerns, concerns it now turns out were well-founded.

    Streeting himself was one of those who treated Bindel appallingly - for which he should apologise.
    Yes. Why on earth should Rowling or Bindel rein in their anger? People tried to end their careers (and in the case of Bindel they partly succeeded). Why are they now meant to be magnanimous, now they they have been totally vindicated?

    These women were brave, they stood up to the bullies (and lots of hideous abuse: rape threats, death threats etc) they are entitled to vent their righteous spleen
    Rowling and Bindel should know their place and listen to what people with penises say it means to be a woman or anything else. Their critics have penises which make them better experts, and better women, than they are.

    Not allowed to say anymore "women know your place" as its politically incorrect, the correct way to say it is of course "people with vaginas know your place".
    I'm enjoying your pivot to quite acerbic comedy. You should do it more often

    Also, I agree with you on the ECHR. The only reason we're in it is because it makes north London lawyers feel good, and it gives them work, and unjustified power. Leave
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,302
    Cyclefree said:

    I am so fed up with Chairs of organisations - Sir this that and the other getting paid oodles for chairing organisations they have no bloody clue about, where they never bother to do any work or ask any questions.

    Honestly, there needs to be a special gulag for these ghastly lying self-satisfied overpaid arse-licking sloping-shouldered incompetents.

    Sir Michael Hodgkinson can go there for a start.

    And as for the David Smiths of this world - droning on about this that and the other like some dull dishrag: they should be sent to some farm to pick turnips which is all they're fit for.

    That remark is distinctly unkind.

    To turnip pickers.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,215
    kle4 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    kle4 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    I am so fed up with Chairs of organisations - Sir this that and the other getting paid oodles for chairing organisations they have no bloody clue about, where they never bother to do any work or ask any questions.

    But how else are we supposed to reward our chums who need a decent side gig to pay out thousands per year? Our buddies in Parliament have already given them a knighthood, and have to pretend we don't give out peerages for cash, they need something else.
    I don't fucking care. They are all absolute bloody parasites on society. They have been instrumental in the degrading of our institutions, the destruction of trust and harm - real harm to real people. I am not willing to tolerate this chumocracy of incompetents and mediocrity a moment longer. It is not remotely funny - even in a Yes Minister ooh let's be cynical sort of way.
    Black comedy is a thing, tragic and distressing things can absolutely still be game for comedy, don't think attempts at humour indicate a lack of genuine concern, that's just silly.
    I'm not criticising you for a lack of concern. I understand the black humour.

    But we are simply not being serious about how damaging this all is. We are treating it with a frivolousness as if it doesn't really matter. It does matter.

    That last para of my header this morning - I meant every word: people are and have been harmed by this lack of moral seriousness about leadership, about how we run things, about taking responsibility. It is not good enough. We have to grow up.

    I am angry about this and I want real change.
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    stodgestodge Posts: 12,865
    HYUFD said:

    While the 30% for Hall in London is still better than the current Tory rating, it would still be lower than every Conservative London Mayoral candidate has got in the first round of a Mayoral election apart from what Steve Norris got in 2000 and 2004. In both those elections Livingstone won the first round comfortably

    The whole issue revolves around the way Bailey surprised the polls in 2021. The Conservatives did much better in the capital in those elections than was expected - a Conservative candidate in a Newham Council by election got 30% which is almost unheard of.

    The equivalent Redfield & Wilton from mid April 2021 had Khan on 47% and Bailey on 26% so worse for Bailey than for Hall now. Over the next three weeks the gap closed and the last YouGov on 2-4 May 2021 had Khan on 43% and Bailey on 30% - the final numbers were 40% and 35%.

    That's what is rattling some Labour supporters - the notion Conservative support is being significantly under-reported and it's much closer. I imagine this will be useful for Labour as a weapon against complacency and they can use it as part of their GOTV on polling day.
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    Sometimes I wonder what reform voters imagine would happen if Reform actually got to form government... what would that look like? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 it would be pandemonium hahahahaha

    1) Tice as PM and 30 no names from spoons in various positions of high office with not a clue about what to do. How would their manifesto support and help their government upon the first encounter with reality?

    2) straight to "No deal brexit." Northern ireland out of the single market... immediate violence and outbreak of warlike conditions.

    3) The EU would slap 15% tarriffs on everything for leaving the deal..... Food. There would be shortages and galloping inflation within 3 weeks.

    4) Leaving the ECHR and mass deportations of asylums seekers and other unwantables etc would bring in sanctions from the international community grinding the economynto a halt.

    4) their tax reform would be Truss on steroids with a total market collapse and sky high interests rates.

    It would be pandemonium - everything they stand for is just ludicrous


    Hahahaha 😆 😂 😆 that was a good laugh. To me you might as well vote for lord bucket head.

    Reform are full of nonsense and utterly ridiculous.

    But Britain leaving the ECHR wouldn't bring a single sanction from the international community. Many democracies across the planet like Canada, New Zealand and Australia etc aren't in the ECHR and aren't sanctioned for not being in it.

    An accident of geography meaning we're in Europe is no reason whatsoever for us to be in the ECHR. We should only be in the ECHR if its the right thing for us, not what the rest of the planet thinks, nor because of geography.

    To be perfectly frank, the rest of the planet doesn't care about us enough to care if we're in the ECHR or any other pan-European institution or not.
    You overlooked that leaving the ECHR would have consequences for the WF and the GFA which immediately triggers US involvement

    Leaving the EU had consequences. So what? Change has consequences, we evolve, we're constantly evolving. Evolution never ends.

    Doesn't mean sanctions, or that Parliament shouldn't be sovereign.

    If the change is the wrong change, then don't do it, but don't do it because its wrong, not because of the USA which has its own Supreme Court as its supreme court no different to how we would if we leave.

    If the change is the right change, then other nations not wanting us to do the right thing is no reason to do the wrong thing and stay in.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,080
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    TOPPING said:

    Sir Michael Hodgkinson seems a wrong 'un.

    I do not get involved in the gender debate usually but the Cass report seems to have emboldened J K Rowling, Julie Bindel, Judy Murray and others and caused real issues for labour with Wes Steeting making a fulsome apology for his previous comments and then coming under attack from some of his colleagues

    Furthermore if this report from Guido is true then Sky seem to have real internal problems with this subject

    https://order-order.com/2024/04/11/sky-trans-activist-staff-demand-sky-news-editorial-veto/

    Cass was highly critical about the toxicity of the debate, the vilification and bullying on social media, and so forth.
    I don't think Rowling, Bindel and Murray are doing anything to defuse that toxicity.
    Given that they have been proved right they are bloody well entitled to say "I told you so". It is not them making the debate toxic but those who tried to shut down and abused all those from Tavistock whistleblowers on who raised concerns, concerns it now turns out were well-founded.

    Streeting himself was one of those who treated Bindel appallingly - for which he should apologise.
    Yes. Why on earth should Rowling or Bindel rein in their anger? People tried to end their careers (and in the case of Bindel they partly succeeded). Why are they now meant to be magnanimous, now they they have been totally vindicated?

    These women were brave, they stood up to the bullies (and lots of hideous abuse: rape threats, death threats etc) they are entitled to vent their righteous spleen
    Rowling and Bindel should know their place and listen to what people with penises say it means to be a woman or anything else. Their critics have penises which make them better experts, and better women, than they are.

    Not allowed to say anymore "women know your place" as its politically incorrect, the correct way to say it is of course "people with vaginas know your place".
    I'm enjoying your pivot to quite acerbic comedy. You should do it more often

    Also, I agree with you on the ECHR. The only reason we're in it is because it makes north London lawyers feel good, and it gives them work, and unjustified power. Leave
    And a sense of superiority. The argument for not leaving boils down to losing the ability to look down on foreigners and lecture them about progress.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,312

    Sometimes I wonder what reform voters imagine would happen if Reform actually got to form government... what would that look like? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 it would be pandemonium hahahahaha

    1) Tice as PM and 30 no names from spoons in various positions of high office with not a clue about what to do. How would their manifesto support and help their government upon the first encounter with reality?

    2) straight to "No deal brexit." Northern ireland out of the single market... immediate violence and outbreak of warlike conditions.

    3) The EU would slap 15% tarriffs on everything for leaving the deal..... Food. There would be shortages and galloping inflation within 3 weeks.

    4) Leaving the ECHR and mass deportations of asylums seekers and other unwantables etc would bring in sanctions from the international community grinding the economynto a halt.

    4) their tax reform would be Truss on steroids with a total market collapse and sky high interests rates.

    It would be pandemonium - everything they stand for is just ludicrous


    Hahahaha 😆 😂 😆 that was a good laugh. To me you might as well vote for lord bucket head.

    Reform are full of nonsense and utterly ridiculous.

    But Britain leaving the ECHR wouldn't bring a single sanction from the international community. Many democracies across the planet like Canada, New Zealand and Australia etc aren't in the ECHR and aren't sanctioned for not being in it.

    An accident of geography meaning we're in Europe is no reason whatsoever for us to be in the ECHR. We should only be in the ECHR if its the right thing for us, not what the rest of the planet thinks, nor because of geography.

    To be perfectly frank, the rest of the planet doesn't care about us enough to care if we're in the ECHR or any other pan-European institution or not.
    You overlooked that leaving the ECHR would have consequences for the WF and the GFA which immediately triggers US involvement

    Leaving the EU had consequences. So what? Change has consequences, we evolve, we're constantly evolving. Evolution never ends.

    Doesn't mean sanctions, or that Parliament shouldn't be sovereign.

    If the change is the wrong change, then don't do it, but don't do it because its wrong, not because of the USA which has its own Supreme Court as its supreme court no different to how we would if we leave.

    If the change is the right change, then other nations not wanting us to do the right thing is no reason to do the wrong thing and stay in.
    The largest party in Switzerland is talking about leaving. It is not some radical idea from the fringes of Fascism. The idea the world will turn on us in wrath is fatuous
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,807
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    While the 30% for Hall in London is still better than the current Tory rating, it would still be lower than every Conservative London Mayoral candidate has got in the first round of a Mayoral election apart from what Steve Norris got in 2000 and 2004. In both those elections Livingstone won the first round comfortably

    The whole issue revolves around the way Bailey surprised the polls in 2021. The Conservatives did much better in the capital in those elections than was expected - a Conservative candidate in a Newham Council by election got 30% which is almost unheard of.

    The equivalent Redfield & Wilton from mid April 2021 had Khan on 47% and Bailey on 26% so worse for Bailey than for Hall now. Over the next three weeks the gap closed and the last YouGov on 2-4 May 2021 had Khan on 43% and Bailey on 30% - the final numbers were 40% and 35%.

    That's what is rattling some Labour supporters - the notion Conservative support is being significantly under-reported and it's much closer. I imagine this will be useful for Labour as a weapon against complacency and they can use it as part of their GOTV on polling day.
    In that case Hall should be glad there's no GE on the same day, as that would surely drag her vote down.

    Of course, even if it is 'much closer' that doesn't help all that much if it is still not competitive.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,826
    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    TOPPING said:

    Sir Michael Hodgkinson seems a wrong 'un.

    I do not get involved in the gender debate usually but the Cass report seems to have emboldened J K Rowling, Julie Bindel, Judy Murray and others and caused real issues for labour with Wes Steeting making a fulsome apology for his previous comments and then coming under attack from some of his colleagues

    Furthermore if this report from Guido is true then Sky seem to have real internal problems with this subject

    https://order-order.com/2024/04/11/sky-trans-activist-staff-demand-sky-news-editorial-veto/

    Cass was highly critical about the toxicity of the debate, the vilification and bullying on social media, and so forth.
    I don't think Rowling, Bindel and Murray are doing anything to defuse that toxicity.
    Given that they have been proved right they are bloody well entitled to say "I told you so". It is not them making the debate toxic but those who tried to shut down and abused all those from Tavistock whistleblowers on who raised concerns, concerns it now turns out were well-founded.

    Streeting himself was one of those who treated Bindel appallingly - for which he should apologise.
    Yes. Why on earth should Rowling or Bindel rein in their anger? People tried to end their careers (and in the case of Bindel they partly succeeded). Why are they now meant to be magnanimous, now they they have been totally vindicated?

    These women were brave, they stood up to the bullies (and lots of hideous abuse: rape threats, death threats etc) they are entitled to vent their righteous spleen
    Rowling has basically been made a pariah in her own franchise...
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,467

    Sometimes I wonder what reform voters imagine would happen if Reform actually got to form government... what would that look like? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 it would be pandemonium hahahahaha

    1) Tice as PM and 30 no names from spoons in various positions of high office with not a clue about what to do. How would their manifesto support and help their government upon the first encounter with reality?

    2) straight to "No deal brexit." Northern ireland out of the single market... immediate violence and outbreak of warlike conditions.

    3) The EU would slap 15% tarriffs on everything for leaving the deal..... Food. There would be shortages and galloping inflation within 3 weeks.

    4) Leaving the ECHR and mass deportations of asylums seekers and other unwantables etc would bring in sanctions from the international community grinding the economynto a halt.

    4) their tax reform would be Truss on steroids with a total market collapse and sky high interests rates.

    It would be pandemonium - everything they stand for is just ludicrous


    Hahahaha 😆 😂 😆 that was a good laugh. To me you might as well vote for lord bucket head.

    Reform are full of nonsense and utterly ridiculous.

    But Britain leaving the ECHR wouldn't bring a single sanction from the international community. Many democracies across the planet like Canada, New Zealand and Australia etc aren't in the ECHR and aren't sanctioned for not being in it.

    An accident of geography meaning we're in Europe is no reason whatsoever for us to be in the ECHR. We should only be in the ECHR if its the right thing for us, not what the rest of the planet thinks, nor because of geography.

    To be perfectly frank, the rest of the planet doesn't care about us enough to care if we're in the ECHR or any other pan-European institution or not.
    A US democratic Presidency would be furious about us leaving the ECHR and would try to stop it imo. They were pissed off about us leaving the EU because they lost their inside man. They would see it (albeit that there isn't a formal relationship between the two institutions) as deepening Brexit. They're very controlling and increasingly public about it. Recall John Kerry warning us not to open a coal mine despite America having hundreds of the things. A coal mine that still hasn't broken ground.

    Trump on the other hand wouldn't care and would probably congratulate us.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,312
    Cyclefree said:

    As you know, I am a professional investigator. So partly because of that and partly because I am genuinely interested (and partly, I suppose, because I'm a sad nerdy sort of lawyer) I read all the reports on the now innumerable scandals this country throws up and I listen to the evidence and then I try and write illuminating articles about this here and on my website and elsewhere.

    So to have the Post Office Inquiry restart and the Cass Review (which I will get round to reading in full) in the same week is a glut of riches (really a glut of shame and embarrassment and fury) but also a lot of work.

    Plus I am doing an investigation in a large Asian country and oh dear the evidence is pointing to a lot of naughtiness so that's taking a bit of time too.

    Still, this all takes my mind off the fact that it has now rained solidly for what must be longer than 40 days and 40 nights, it is still bloody raining and the garden has had quite enough - as have I - and that, shortly, I shall probably be afloat in the Irish Sea wondering where everyone is.

    Oh and the sun. I remember seeing it once.

    Sun came out for about an hour today, and I remembered what English springs used to be like

    Nor are we imagining it, Britain has just experienced the wettest 18 months since records began, in 1836. It is quite remarkable, and awful for farmers
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    TimSTimS Posts: 9,652
    kle4 said:

    On topic - it is startling quite how much Khan is underperforming the Lab party in R&W London polling. Changes since September.

    Lab 51 (+4), Con 23 (-4), LD 13 (-4), G 7 (+3), Ref 5 (+1)
    Khan 43 (+10), Hall 30 (-2), G 10 (+1), LD 8 (-8), Ref 7 (+3)

    To me this suggests that this is is not an outlier poll. If these polls are as awry as last time then as TSE says there is much value in Hall. One caveat. The previous R&W poll had Khan only 1% ahead. So a 13% lead is not necessarily as skinny as it might appear. It really does raise the issue of candidate quality. Hall's choice may well cost the Cons a real chance at winning in London. I'm not sure what No 10 should fear most. Hall costing them a close election or Hall actually winning and feeling emboldened to speak 'her mind' in the run-up to the GE. That has chances to go all sorts of disastrous really quickly!

    Bailey did better than people expected last time. But Khan would have to do so much worse than expected to be under any kind of threat this time.

    Not being exposed to London media the only thing I can really remember about Hall is she stupidly moaned about unflattering pictures of her being used, thus ensuring everyone saw the unflatting pictures even more, which is not a great sign of her judgement.
    The London polls seem very volatile, which suggests to me they’re not reliable.

    One thing’s sadly true, which is that Rob Blackie has failed to make any impact for the Lib Dems despite his best efforts. He’s a smart individual with good policy ideas and a tireless canvasser and organiser, but he just doesn’t have the name recognition or media contacts to make any kind of mark.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,807
    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    As you know, I am a professional investigator. So partly because of that and partly because I am genuinely interested (and partly, I suppose, because I'm a sad nerdy sort of lawyer) I read all the reports on the now innumerable scandals this country throws up and I listen to the evidence and then I try and write illuminating articles about this here and on my website and elsewhere.

    So to have the Post Office Inquiry restart and the Cass Review (which I will get round to reading in full) in the same week is a glut of riches (really a glut of shame and embarrassment and fury) but also a lot of work.

    Plus I am doing an investigation in a large Asian country and oh dear the evidence is pointing to a lot of naughtiness so that's taking a bit of time too.

    Still, this all takes my mind off the fact that it has now rained solidly for what must be longer than 40 days and 40 nights, it is still bloody raining and the garden has had quite enough - as have I - and that, shortly, I shall probably be afloat in the Irish Sea wondering where everyone is.

    Oh and the sun. I remember seeing it once.

    Sun came out for about an hour today, and I remembered what English springs used to be like

    Nor are we imagining it, Britain has just experienced the wettest 18 months since records began, in 1836. It is quite remarkable, and awful for farmers
    Being a farmer in this era sounds like an absolute nightmare. It's always too wet, or dry, or hot, and it can wipe you out.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,215
    ydoethur said:

    Cyclefree said:

    I am so fed up with Chairs of organisations - Sir this that and the other getting paid oodles for chairing organisations they have no bloody clue about, where they never bother to do any work or ask any questions.

    Honestly, there needs to be a special gulag for these ghastly lying self-satisfied overpaid arse-licking sloping-shouldered incompetents.

    Sir Michael Hodgkinson can go there for a start.

    And as for the David Smiths of this world - droning on about this that and the other like some dull dishrag: they should be sent to some farm to pick turnips which is all they're fit for.

    That remark is distinctly unkind.

    To turnip pickers.
    The mediocrity just oozed out of him.

    I am, as you may have gathered, in a real a la lanterne mood.
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,452
    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    I saw something really chilling today. No it wasn't UFOs or AIs or Putinbots. It was people OBVIOUSLY strung out on Fentanyl on the streets of Camden. I've seen Fent addicts in America and they are unmistakeable, the zombie gait, the juddering limbs, the vacant eyes - or the way they can lie stock still for hours on cold hard concrete in the middle of the day.

    It's here, and it's BAD. America has 100,000 overdose deaths a year. If Britain goes down the same road, we will see 20,000 deaths a year, plus all the attendant social and medical ills. The NHS will get crushed. And this will happen all across Europe

    And I am not imagining it in some fever dream

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/tranq-dope-zombies-fill-streets-32532478

    At least it makes them better able to cope with living in Camden.
    I tried living in Islington once - which is a sort of Camden starter meal. I didn't much like it.
    It wasn't great seeing Parkway full of gibbering psychos, it was like PB turned into a shopping street. Nor is it going to be great for property prices around here, not many people want to live in an episode of The Walking Dead
    The council should round them all up on buses and then deposit them outside parliament - it might get MPs to take serious notice. Best to do it on a day when there are lots of outside broadcast people for some big parliament thingy.
    Is Fentanyl the same as spice? Manchester had a real problem with spiceheads a few years back. They hung around Piccadilly Gardens standing stock still, stooped, staring at the floor. You don't see them as much nowadays. I don't know if this is due to anything anyone has done.
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    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    As you know, I am a professional investigator. So partly because of that and partly because I am genuinely interested (and partly, I suppose, because I'm a sad nerdy sort of lawyer) I read all the reports on the now innumerable scandals this country throws up and I listen to the evidence and then I try and write illuminating articles about this here and on my website and elsewhere.

    So to have the Post Office Inquiry restart and the Cass Review (which I will get round to reading in full) in the same week is a glut of riches (really a glut of shame and embarrassment and fury) but also a lot of work.

    Plus I am doing an investigation in a large Asian country and oh dear the evidence is pointing to a lot of naughtiness so that's taking a bit of time too.

    Still, this all takes my mind off the fact that it has now rained solidly for what must be longer than 40 days and 40 nights, it is still bloody raining and the garden has had quite enough - as have I - and that, shortly, I shall probably be afloat in the Irish Sea wondering where everyone is.

    Oh and the sun. I remember seeing it once.

    Sun came out for about an hour today, and I remembered what English springs used to be like

    Nor are we imagining it, Britain has just experienced the wettest 18 months since records began, in 1836. It is quite remarkable, and awful for farmers
    Which is why people who bemoan that we should be self-sufficient in food are utterly ridiculous.

    Not only are we then subject to the seasonal problems that many months a year are not good for fresh harvest, or that we can't even grow certain food in this country, but then we are greater subject to the variances of nature.

    Farmers in this country may be suffering due to the weather, but at least for our food supply we import a lot of our food which is less affected.

    Diversity is important for minimising risk. Putting all your eggs in one basket, even your own basket, is rarely a good idea.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,807
    GIN1138 said:

    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    TOPPING said:

    Sir Michael Hodgkinson seems a wrong 'un.

    I do not get involved in the gender debate usually but the Cass report seems to have emboldened J K Rowling, Julie Bindel, Judy Murray and others and caused real issues for labour with Wes Steeting making a fulsome apology for his previous comments and then coming under attack from some of his colleagues

    Furthermore if this report from Guido is true then Sky seem to have real internal problems with this subject

    https://order-order.com/2024/04/11/sky-trans-activist-staff-demand-sky-news-editorial-veto/

    Cass was highly critical about the toxicity of the debate, the vilification and bullying on social media, and so forth.
    I don't think Rowling, Bindel and Murray are doing anything to defuse that toxicity.
    Given that they have been proved right they are bloody well entitled to say "I told you so". It is not them making the debate toxic but those who tried to shut down and abused all those from Tavistock whistleblowers on who raised concerns, concerns it now turns out were well-founded.

    Streeting himself was one of those who treated Bindel appallingly - for which he should apologise.
    Yes. Why on earth should Rowling or Bindel rein in their anger? People tried to end their careers (and in the case of Bindel they partly succeeded). Why are they now meant to be magnanimous, now they they have been totally vindicated?

    These women were brave, they stood up to the bullies (and lots of hideous abuse: rape threats, death threats etc) they are entitled to vent their righteous spleen
    Rowling has basically been made a pariah in her own franchise...
    Doesn't stop people consuming what she produces for it, or which uses it as a spin off. So not sure to what extent it is true (though I do know one person who says they cannot enjoy it anymore as Rowling is 'problematic'. They also won't rewatch Friends anymore, despite loving it less than 5 years ago).
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    stodgestodge Posts: 12,865
    Leon said:

    On topic - it is startling quite how much Khan is underperforming the Lab party in R&W London polling. Changes since September.

    Lab 51 (+4), Con 23 (-4), LD 13 (-4), G 7 (+3), Ref 5 (+1)
    Khan 43 (+10), Hall 30 (-2), G 10 (+1), LD 8 (-8), Ref 7 (+3)

    To me this suggests that this is is not an outlier poll. If these polls are as awry as last time then as TSE says there is much value in Hall. One caveat. The previous R&W poll had Khan only 1% ahead. So a 13% lead is not necessarily as skinny as it might appear. It really does raise the issue of candidate quality. Hall's choice may well cost the Cons a real chance at winning in London. I'm not sure what No 10 should fear most. Hall costing them a close election or Hall actually winning and feeling emboldened to speak 'her mind' in the run-up to the GE. That has chances to go all sorts of disastrous really quickly!

    It's not startling if you live in London. Khan is a truly drreadful mayor. I don't know anyone that admires him (I am sure they exist but not in my circle, which is often quite bohemian and leftwing)

    He's a vacuity. A nothing. He wins by default because the Tories are so utterly useless at picking contenders

    I reckon a charismatic independent would have a chance; I am surprised no one has given it a go
    Khan made a dreadful mistake in deciding to run for a third term. At the time my belief was he thought Labour would lose again at the next GE and he would arguably be the most powerful elected Labour politician.

    He could have stood down, Labour would have found a new candidate who would be 25-30 points ahead and Khan would be looking to become Labour MP for a safe constituency with a rapid step up to Cabinet likely.

    Instead, he's floundering and Starmer and his cohorts will probably win a landslide and there'll be no place for Mayor Khan in their deliberations.

    I'd argue the cretinous award can be shared between Khan and the London Conservatives.

    You're not wrong about a charismatic independent but that would still require other parties to stand aside and that's easier said than done and said Independent would still have to deal with a GLA dominated by party politicians.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,312
    Cookie said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    I saw something really chilling today. No it wasn't UFOs or AIs or Putinbots. It was people OBVIOUSLY strung out on Fentanyl on the streets of Camden. I've seen Fent addicts in America and they are unmistakeable, the zombie gait, the juddering limbs, the vacant eyes - or the way they can lie stock still for hours on cold hard concrete in the middle of the day.

    It's here, and it's BAD. America has 100,000 overdose deaths a year. If Britain goes down the same road, we will see 20,000 deaths a year, plus all the attendant social and medical ills. The NHS will get crushed. And this will happen all across Europe

    And I am not imagining it in some fever dream

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/tranq-dope-zombies-fill-streets-32532478

    At least it makes them better able to cope with living in Camden.
    I tried living in Islington once - which is a sort of Camden starter meal. I didn't much like it.
    It wasn't great seeing Parkway full of gibbering psychos, it was like PB turned into a shopping street. Nor is it going to be great for property prices around here, not many people want to live in an episode of The Walking Dead
    The council should round them all up on buses and then deposit them outside parliament - it might get MPs to take serious notice. Best to do it on a day when there are lots of outside broadcast people for some big parliament thingy.
    Is Fentanyl the same as spice? Manchester had a real problem with spiceheads a few years back. They hung around Piccadilly Gardens standing stock still, stooped, staring at the floor. You don't see them as much nowadays. I don't know if this is due to anything anyone has done.
    No, Fentanyl is a synthetic opioid, completely different to Spice - which is a synthetic cannabinoid. Fent is far worse

    Then there's Tranq which is even worse than that. It was originally a horse tranquiliser, hence the name
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,302
    edited April 11
    Cyclefree said:

    ydoethur said:

    Cyclefree said:

    I am so fed up with Chairs of organisations - Sir this that and the other getting paid oodles for chairing organisations they have no bloody clue about, where they never bother to do any work or ask any questions.

    Honestly, there needs to be a special gulag for these ghastly lying self-satisfied overpaid arse-licking sloping-shouldered incompetents.

    Sir Michael Hodgkinson can go there for a start.

    And as for the David Smiths of this world - droning on about this that and the other like some dull dishrag: they should be sent to some farm to pick turnips which is all they're fit for.

    That remark is distinctly unkind.

    To turnip pickers.
    The mediocrity just oozed out of him.

    I am, as you may have gathered, in a real a la lanterne mood.
    But turnip pickers have to be able to tell turnips from stones.

    I'm not sure the egregious Mr David Smith could judging by his performance.

    He makes Amanda Spielman look almost competent on that evidence.
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    Cookie said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    I saw something really chilling today. No it wasn't UFOs or AIs or Putinbots. It was people OBVIOUSLY strung out on Fentanyl on the streets of Camden. I've seen Fent addicts in America and they are unmistakeable, the zombie gait, the juddering limbs, the vacant eyes - or the way they can lie stock still for hours on cold hard concrete in the middle of the day.

    It's here, and it's BAD. America has 100,000 overdose deaths a year. If Britain goes down the same road, we will see 20,000 deaths a year, plus all the attendant social and medical ills. The NHS will get crushed. And this will happen all across Europe

    And I am not imagining it in some fever dream

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/tranq-dope-zombies-fill-streets-32532478

    At least it makes them better able to cope with living in Camden.
    I tried living in Islington once - which is a sort of Camden starter meal. I didn't much like it.
    It wasn't great seeing Parkway full of gibbering psychos, it was like PB turned into a shopping street. Nor is it going to be great for property prices around here, not many people want to live in an episode of The Walking Dead
    The council should round them all up on buses and then deposit them outside parliament - it might get MPs to take serious notice. Best to do it on a day when there are lots of outside broadcast people for some big parliament thingy.
    Is Fentanyl the same as spice? Manchester had a real problem with spiceheads a few years back. They hung around Piccadilly Gardens standing stock still, stooped, staring at the floor. You don't see them as much nowadays. I don't know if this is due to anything anyone has done.
    I think I'm too innocent.

    Any time I've had spice in Manchester I've simply enjoyed a good meal.
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    SelebianSelebian Posts: 7,454
    viewcode said:

    Cyclefree said:

    TOPPING said:

    Sir Michael Hodgkinson seems a wrong 'un.

    I do not get involved in the gender debate usually but the Cass report seems to have emboldened J K Rowling, Julie Bindel, Judy Murray and others and caused real issues for labour with Wes Steeting making a fulsome apology for his previous comments and then coming under attack from some of his colleagues

    Furthermore if this report from Guido is true then Sky seem to have real internal problems with this subject

    https://order-order.com/2024/04/11/sky-trans-activist-staff-demand-sky-news-editorial-veto/

    Cass was highly critical about the toxicity of the debate, the vilification and bullying on social media, and so forth.
    I don't think Rowling, Bindel and Murray are doing anything to defuse that toxicity.
    ...Tavistock whistleblowers on who raised concerns, concerns it now turns out were well-founded....
    This raises an interesting question. Much of the discussion about the Tavistock revolves around the number of children (and young adults?) who were *referred* to it. But little has been discussed about the number that were *treated* whilst children (if any?). I'm not even sure if that number is available: see my and Selebian's disquiet about the paucity of data. We should have RollsRoyce data but given the prediction of trans people to demand deletion of their data, and the resistance of the clinics to supply it, we are groping in the dark. It is ironic that Americans can reduce the number of CYAs who were treating by backtracking the insurance claims and scrips, but the Brits who have a NHS can only go "um".

    Part of this is due to perceptions of the review and the leaking from people 'close to' then health sec Javid that the purpose of getting the data was to prove the wrongdoing of the tavistock.

    That would have been a terrible approach to research, if true, but it's not surprising that it stiffened resistance and prompted many transgender people to opt out of what they considered to be an exercise is shutting down their treatments. Javid or the people close to him have responsibility for that.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,164
    Leon said:

    I saw something really chilling today. No it wasn't UFOs or AIs or Putinbots. It was people OBVIOUSLY strung out on Fentanyl on the streets of Camden. I've seen Fent addicts in America and they are unmistakeable, the zombie gait, the juddering limbs, the vacant eyes - or the way they can lie stock still for hours on cold hard concrete in the middle of the day.

    It's here, and it's BAD. America has 100,000 overdose deaths a year. If Britain goes down the same road, we will see 20,000 deaths a year, plus all the attendant social and medical ills. The NHS will get crushed. And this will happen all across Europe

    And I am not imagining it in some fever dream

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/tranq-dope-zombies-fill-streets-32532478

    I had lunch today with a pal who’d just been over in SF (or at least the vicinity), he was talking about a drug epidemic that makes the addicts semi-permanently doubled over which I hadn’t heard about. Is this Fentanyl?
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    LennonLennon Posts: 1,735
    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    On topic - it is startling quite how much Khan is underperforming the Lab party in R&W London polling. Changes since September.

    Lab 51 (+4), Con 23 (-4), LD 13 (-4), G 7 (+3), Ref 5 (+1)
    Khan 43 (+10), Hall 30 (-2), G 10 (+1), LD 8 (-8), Ref 7 (+3)

    To me this suggests that this is is not an outlier poll. If these polls are as awry as last time then as TSE says there is much value in Hall. One caveat. The previous R&W poll had Khan only 1% ahead. So a 13% lead is not necessarily as skinny as it might appear. It really does raise the issue of candidate quality. Hall's choice may well cost the Cons a real chance at winning in London. I'm not sure what No 10 should fear most. Hall costing them a close election or Hall actually winning and feeling emboldened to speak 'her mind' in the run-up to the GE. That has chances to go all sorts of disastrous really quickly!

    It's not startling if you live in London. Khan is a truly drreadful mayor. I don't know anyone that admires him (I am sure they exist but not in my circle, which is often quite bohemian and leftwing)

    He's a vacuity. A nothing. He wins by default because the Tories are so utterly useless at picking contenders

    I reckon a charismatic independent would have a chance; I am surprised no one has given it a go
    Well, there is Count Binface - I'm hoping he gets more than the 1% he got last time, but it being FPTP this time may sink that.
    Looking down the list of options I keep thinking he likely has my vote - for want of any positive sensible alternative at the moment. I can't bring myself to vote for either Khan or Hall, and what's the point giving the Lib or Green a tokenistic vote for Mayor - may as well vote Binface...
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    Khan will walk it, IMHO.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,467
    edited April 11

    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    As you know, I am a professional investigator. So partly because of that and partly because I am genuinely interested (and partly, I suppose, because I'm a sad nerdy sort of lawyer) I read all the reports on the now innumerable scandals this country throws up and I listen to the evidence and then I try and write illuminating articles about this here and on my website and elsewhere.

    So to have the Post Office Inquiry restart and the Cass Review (which I will get round to reading in full) in the same week is a glut of riches (really a glut of shame and embarrassment and fury) but also a lot of work.

    Plus I am doing an investigation in a large Asian country and oh dear the evidence is pointing to a lot of naughtiness so that's taking a bit of time too.

    Still, this all takes my mind off the fact that it has now rained solidly for what must be longer than 40 days and 40 nights, it is still bloody raining and the garden has had quite enough - as have I - and that, shortly, I shall probably be afloat in the Irish Sea wondering where everyone is.

    Oh and the sun. I remember seeing it once.

    Sun came out for about an hour today, and I remembered what English springs used to be like

    Nor are we imagining it, Britain has just experienced the wettest 18 months since records began, in 1836. It is quite remarkable, and awful for farmers
    Which is why people who bemoan that we should be self-sufficient in food are utterly ridiculous.

    Not only are we then subject to the seasonal problems that many months a year are not good for fresh harvest, or that we can't even grow certain food in this country, but then we are greater subject to the variances of nature.

    Farmers in this country may be suffering due to the weather, but at least for our food supply we import a lot of our food which is less affected.

    Diversity is important for minimising risk. Putting all your eggs in one basket, even your own basket, is rarely a good idea.
    We have excellent weather for growing and rearing a huge variety food in the UK - there are few better climates for it. We need well-drained fields, well-maintained rivers, and up to date water infrastructure that (shock horror) manages to store water when it rains for use when it doesn't, rather than the current farce of veering from flood to drought and wondering what to do about it. Countries with actually problematical weather must think we're a bunch of utterly useless tosspots.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,312

    Leon said:

    I saw something really chilling today. No it wasn't UFOs or AIs or Putinbots. It was people OBVIOUSLY strung out on Fentanyl on the streets of Camden. I've seen Fent addicts in America and they are unmistakeable, the zombie gait, the juddering limbs, the vacant eyes - or the way they can lie stock still for hours on cold hard concrete in the middle of the day.

    It's here, and it's BAD. America has 100,000 overdose deaths a year. If Britain goes down the same road, we will see 20,000 deaths a year, plus all the attendant social and medical ills. The NHS will get crushed. And this will happen all across Europe

    And I am not imagining it in some fever dream

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/tranq-dope-zombies-fill-streets-32532478

    I had lunch today with a pal who’d just been over in SF (or at least the vicinity), he was talking about a drug epidemic that makes the addicts semi-permanently doubled over which I hadn’t heard about. Is this Fentanyl?
    Could be Fent but also could be Tranq. Incredibly, Tranq is much more dangerous than Fent

    Litetally just a few grains, equivalent to a sprinkle of salt, is enough to kill you, and there is no antidote. At least Fent can be treated with Naloxone. If you OD on Tranq, that's it

    It makes people lie in comas on cold hard concrete (which I saw today) and that leads to people developing hideous sores and abscesses and they have limbs amputated. Those are the lucky ones that don't die

    Terrifyingly, this shit is now being laced into much softer drugs - coke, weed, benzos, even vapes. People are dying from smoking one joint, or popping one pill


    https://fortune.com/2024/02/18/marco-troper-son-of-ex-youtube-ceo-susan-wojcickis-found-dead-in-uc-berkeley-dorm/
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,202

    Leon said:

    I saw something really chilling today. No it wasn't UFOs or AIs or Putinbots. It was people OBVIOUSLY strung out on Fentanyl on the streets of Camden. I've seen Fent addicts in America and they are unmistakeable, the zombie gait, the juddering limbs, the vacant eyes - or the way they can lie stock still for hours on cold hard concrete in the middle of the day.

    It's here, and it's BAD. America has 100,000 overdose deaths a year. If Britain goes down the same road, we will see 20,000 deaths a year, plus all the attendant social and medical ills. The NHS will get crushed. And this will happen all across Europe

    And I am not imagining it in some fever dream

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/tranq-dope-zombies-fill-streets-32532478

    I had lunch today with a pal who’d just been over in SF (or at least the vicinity), he was talking about a drug epidemic that makes the addicts semi-permanently doubled over which I hadn’t heard about. Is this Fentanyl?
    Sounds like it. Quite a few news films about it on YouTube (from reliable sources not just fringe sources).

    Here’s one from Sky

    https://youtu.be/3QrZLNyYHVw?si=91a8iJCC-YEpQir9
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    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    As you know, I am a professional investigator. So partly because of that and partly because I am genuinely interested (and partly, I suppose, because I'm a sad nerdy sort of lawyer) I read all the reports on the now innumerable scandals this country throws up and I listen to the evidence and then I try and write illuminating articles about this here and on my website and elsewhere.

    So to have the Post Office Inquiry restart and the Cass Review (which I will get round to reading in full) in the same week is a glut of riches (really a glut of shame and embarrassment and fury) but also a lot of work.

    Plus I am doing an investigation in a large Asian country and oh dear the evidence is pointing to a lot of naughtiness so that's taking a bit of time too.

    Still, this all takes my mind off the fact that it has now rained solidly for what must be longer than 40 days and 40 nights, it is still bloody raining and the garden has had quite enough - as have I - and that, shortly, I shall probably be afloat in the Irish Sea wondering where everyone is.

    Oh and the sun. I remember seeing it once.

    Sun came out for about an hour today, and I remembered what English springs used to be like

    Nor are we imagining it, Britain has just experienced the wettest 18 months since records began, in 1836. It is quite remarkable, and awful for farmers
    Which is why people who bemoan that we should be self-sufficient in food are utterly ridiculous.

    Not only are we then subject to the seasonal problems that many months a year are not good for fresh harvest, or that we can't even grow certain food in this country, but then we are greater subject to the variances of nature.

    Farmers in this country may be suffering due to the weather, but at least for our food supply we import a lot of our food which is less affected.

    Diversity is important for minimising risk. Putting all your eggs in one basket, even your own basket, is rarely a good idea.
    We have excellent weather for growing and rearing a huge variety food in the UK - there are few better climates for it. We need well-drained fields, well-maintained rivers, and up to date water infrastructure that (shock horror) manages to store water when it rains for use when it doesn't, rather than the current farce of veering from flood to drought and wondering what to do about it. Countries with actually problematical weather must think we're a bunch of utterly useless tosspots.
    There is no country in the planet that is the perfect climate for all food, in all seasons.

    That's why trade is such a good idea.

    Yes we grow a huge variety of food. Nothing wrong with that.
    Yes we import a huge variety of food. Nothing wrong with that.
    We also export a huge variety of food. Nothing wrong with that.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,215
    Selebian said:

    viewcode said:

    Cyclefree said:

    TOPPING said:

    Sir Michael Hodgkinson seems a wrong 'un.

    I do not get involved in the gender debate usually but the Cass report seems to have emboldened J K Rowling, Julie Bindel, Judy Murray and others and caused real issues for labour with Wes Steeting making a fulsome apology for his previous comments and then coming under attack from some of his colleagues

    Furthermore if this report from Guido is true then Sky seem to have real internal problems with this subject

    https://order-order.com/2024/04/11/sky-trans-activist-staff-demand-sky-news-editorial-veto/

    Cass was highly critical about the toxicity of the debate, the vilification and bullying on social media, and so forth.
    I don't think Rowling, Bindel and Murray are doing anything to defuse that toxicity.
    ...Tavistock whistleblowers on who raised concerns, concerns it now turns out were well-founded....
    This raises an interesting question. Much of the discussion about the Tavistock revolves around the number of children (and young adults?) who were *referred* to it. But little has been discussed about the number that were *treated* whilst children (if any?). I'm not even sure if that number is available: see my and Selebian's disquiet about the paucity of data. We should have RollsRoyce data but given the prediction of trans people to demand deletion of their data, and the resistance of the clinics to supply it, we are groping in the dark. It is ironic that Americans can reduce the number of CYAs who were treating by backtracking the insurance claims and scrips, but the Brits who have a NHS can only go "um".

    Part of this is due to perceptions of the review and the leaking from people 'close to' then health sec Javid that the purpose of getting the data was to prove the wrongdoing of the tavistock.

    That would have been a terrible approach to research, if true, but it's not surprising that it stiffened resistance and prompted many transgender people to opt out of what they considered to be an exercise is shutting down their treatments. Javid or the people close to him have responsibility for that.
    I'm sorry but that's the same sort of bullshit we've been getting from the Post Office as to why they wouldn't look at Horizon. "Oh it's just a lot of crooked SPMs trying to blame it so we won't make any inquiries, we'll stall them and refuse to engage."

    If you genuinely believe what you are doing is in the best interests of patients and you have the data to prove it you engage. Instead they didn't which suggests that maybe what you're doing is not a good idea and/or you don't have the data. Either way it destroys trust.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,826
    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    TOPPING said:

    Sir Michael Hodgkinson seems a wrong 'un.

    I do not get involved in the gender debate usually but the Cass report seems to have emboldened J K Rowling, Julie Bindel, Judy Murray and others and caused real issues for labour with Wes Steeting making a fulsome apology for his previous comments and then coming under attack from some of his colleagues

    Furthermore if this report from Guido is true then Sky seem to have real internal problems with this subject

    https://order-order.com/2024/04/11/sky-trans-activist-staff-demand-sky-news-editorial-veto/

    Cass was highly critical about the toxicity of the debate, the vilification and bullying on social media, and so forth.
    I don't think Rowling, Bindel and Murray are doing anything to defuse that toxicity.
    Given that they have been proved right they are bloody well entitled to say "I told you so". It is not them making the debate toxic but those who tried to shut down and abused all those from Tavistock whistleblowers on who raised concerns, concerns it now turns out were well-founded.

    Streeting himself was one of those who treated Bindel appallingly - for which he should apologise.
    Yes. Why on earth should Rowling or Bindel rein in their anger? People tried to end their careers (and in the case of Bindel they partly succeeded). Why are they now meant to be magnanimous, now they they have been totally vindicated?

    These women were brave, they stood up to the bullies (and lots of hideous abuse: rape threats, death threats etc) they are entitled to vent their righteous spleen
    Rowling has basically been made a pariah in her own franchise...
    Doesn't stop people consuming what she produces for it, or which uses it as a spin off. So not sure to what extent it is true (though I do know one person who says they cannot enjoy it anymore as Rowling is 'problematic'. They also won't rewatch Friends anymore, despite loving it less than 5 years ago).
    Isn't she banned by the Studio from attending the conventions?
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,467

    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    As you know, I am a professional investigator. So partly because of that and partly because I am genuinely interested (and partly, I suppose, because I'm a sad nerdy sort of lawyer) I read all the reports on the now innumerable scandals this country throws up and I listen to the evidence and then I try and write illuminating articles about this here and on my website and elsewhere.

    So to have the Post Office Inquiry restart and the Cass Review (which I will get round to reading in full) in the same week is a glut of riches (really a glut of shame and embarrassment and fury) but also a lot of work.

    Plus I am doing an investigation in a large Asian country and oh dear the evidence is pointing to a lot of naughtiness so that's taking a bit of time too.

    Still, this all takes my mind off the fact that it has now rained solidly for what must be longer than 40 days and 40 nights, it is still bloody raining and the garden has had quite enough - as have I - and that, shortly, I shall probably be afloat in the Irish Sea wondering where everyone is.

    Oh and the sun. I remember seeing it once.

    Sun came out for about an hour today, and I remembered what English springs used to be like

    Nor are we imagining it, Britain has just experienced the wettest 18 months since records began, in 1836. It is quite remarkable, and awful for farmers
    Which is why people who bemoan that we should be self-sufficient in food are utterly ridiculous.

    Not only are we then subject to the seasonal problems that many months a year are not good for fresh harvest, or that we can't even grow certain food in this country, but then we are greater subject to the variances of nature.

    Farmers in this country may be suffering due to the weather, but at least for our food supply we import a lot of our food which is less affected.

    Diversity is important for minimising risk. Putting all your eggs in one basket, even your own basket, is rarely a good idea.
    We have excellent weather for growing and rearing a huge variety food in the UK - there are few better climates for it. We need well-drained fields, well-maintained rivers, and up to date water infrastructure that (shock horror) manages to store water when it rains for use when it doesn't, rather than the current farce of veering from flood to drought and wondering what to do about it. Countries with actually problematical weather must think we're a bunch of utterly useless tosspots.
    There is no country in the planet that is the perfect climate for all food, in all seasons.

    That's why trade is such a good idea.

    Yes we grow a huge variety of food. Nothing wrong with that.
    Yes we import a huge variety of food. Nothing wrong with that.
    We also export a huge variety of food. Nothing wrong with that.
    Actually I agree. I do maintain however that we are being very hopeless about the situation re the weather and agriculture policy in general in the UK, and I don't blame the farmers for protesting.
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    I saw something really chilling today. No it wasn't UFOs or AIs or Putinbots. It was people OBVIOUSLY strung out on Fentanyl on the streets of Camden. I've seen Fent addicts in America and they are unmistakeable, the zombie gait, the juddering limbs, the vacant eyes - or the way they can lie stock still for hours on cold hard concrete in the middle of the day.

    It's here, and it's BAD. America has 100,000 overdose deaths a year. If Britain goes down the same road, we will see 20,000 deaths a year, plus all the attendant social and medical ills. The NHS will get crushed. And this will happen all across Europe

    And I am not imagining it in some fever dream

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/tranq-dope-zombies-fill-streets-32532478

    At least it makes them better able to cope with living in Camden.
    I tried living in Islington once - which is a sort of Camden starter meal. I didn't much like it.
    It wasn't great seeing Parkway full of gibbering psychos, it was like PB turned into a shopping street. Nor is it going to be great for property prices around here, not many people want to live in an episode of The Walking Dead
    The council should round them all up on buses and then deposit them outside parliament - it might get MPs to take serious notice. Best to do it on a day when there are lots of outside broadcast people for some big parliament thingy.
    Is Fentanyl the same as spice? Manchester had a real problem with spiceheads a few years back. They hung around Piccadilly Gardens standing stock still, stooped, staring at the floor. You don't see them as much nowadays. I don't know if this is due to anything anyone has done.
    No, Fentanyl is a synthetic opioid, completely different to Spice - which is a synthetic cannabinoid. Fent is far worse

    Then there's Tranq which is even worse than that. It was originally a horse tranquiliser, hence the name
    Huh. Why do people do this to themselves?
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