David Cameron’s maxim about Twitter proved right once again – politicalbetting.com
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Worth noting that on current prices, Truth Social is "worth" the same as Twitter.3
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They want a crippled Tory party as an unpopular opposition, not a broad LD group poised to pose them problems. They'd rather 180 Tories and 30 LDs than 130 and 80kjh said:Labour are leafleting and canvassing in Guildford with dodgy bar charts (that's our job) showing they are the main challengers. Honestly they would rather the Tories hold Guildford by trying to thwart the LDs. Why not concentrate on sensible targets (admittedly not a lot around here).
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It is interesting that the Captain, who remains in charge even with 2 pilots, managed a Mayday which effect was that the bridge was immediately closed to traffic no doubt saving many livesSeaShantyIrish2 said:
This accident did NOT occur out in the ocean, but rather in Baltimore harbor.anothernick said:
One hopes their navigation system did not rely entirely on the captain's eyesight.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not surprised given the huge stack of containers forward of the bridge! How can the captain see clearly?!Scott_xP said:The ship that crashed in Baltimore this morning also crashed in Antwerp in 2016
Having said that though I am reminded of a "behind the scenes" tour of a modern cruise liner that I once did - The bridge bristled with computer screens and navigation systems so I was surprised to find a couple of guys with binoculars surveying the sea ahead of the ship. Surely this was not necessary I said to the captain, the systems would warn of any hazards. No he said, the systems only pick up large metallic objects, they would not "see" a small non-metallic boat, ships still use human lookouts to avoid the risk of collisions.
There were TWO pilots on board - that is, not members of the crew, but certified to pilot ships into & out of Baltimore to the Atlantic via Chesapeake Bay.
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Just two ministerial resignations this afternoon.
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With the Sadiq Khan ad, it feels like the Tories are trying to appeal to a caricature of the people who voted for them last time, which seems out of touch. Citing the failures of Labour run cities and countries is fair enough, but this is a bit much
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But Twitter isn't traded?rcs1000 said:Worth noting that on current prices, Truth Social is "worth" the same as Twitter.
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But there's a hundred million or so cash in the company (I think ?), so it's possible to keep the scam running for quite some time.rcs1000 said:
I think it's a monumental short squeeze.DavidL said:
It would be really interesting to know who is push buying these shares on debut. And what they might expect from the next POTUS in return.DecrepiterJohnL said:Trump's media company valued at nearly $9.6 billion as shares soar in debut
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/trump-s-media-company-valued-at-nearly-9-6-billion-as-shares-soar-in-debut/ar-BB1kzl9r
World's greatest business chief.
Remember, this is a business doing less than $5m in sales, running a massive loss.
Remember, too, that monetizing these businesses is hard. Because - unlike Google or Facebook - you don't know anything about your users.
A stock issue in six months time - along with the sales of a large slug of Trump's holdings - is far from impossible.
On any rational financial analysis, it's somewhere close to worthless - but it's also a meme stock, and there is a superabundance of suckers out there for this one.0 -
I'm not sure how he justifies the last line though. Impressive though the usurpation of Henry IV was, it pales compared to that of Richard III.Heathener said:
I’m rather impressed by @TSE at the moment.
The only downside is that if people like him stick around in the Party after the defeat, they will one day bounce back.0 -
There's a sucker born every minute. Perhaps every second in MAGA land!kinabalu said:
Trump will be mortified if he makes big money on the deal but lots of his supporters lose out.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Yes although I fear for the bank accounts of small MAGA investors.williamglenn said:
Nice revenge for being banned from Twitter.DecrepiterJohnL said:Trump's media company valued at nearly $9.6 billion as shares soar in debut
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/trump-s-media-company-valued-at-nearly-9-6-billion-as-shares-soar-in-debut/ar-BB1kzl9r
World's greatest business chief.1 -
Perfect set-up for money laundering "investments" from anyone who wants to "invest" in Donald Trump.rcs1000 said:
I think it's a monumental short squeeze.DavidL said:
It would be really interesting to know who is push buying these shares on debut. And what they might expect from the next POTUS in return.DecrepiterJohnL said:Trump's media company valued at nearly $9.6 billion as shares soar in debut
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/trump-s-media-company-valued-at-nearly-9-6-billion-as-shares-soar-in-debut/ar-BB1kzl9r
World's greatest business chief.
Remember, this is a business doing less than $5m in sales, running a massive loss.
Remember, too, that monetizing these businesses is hard. Because - unlike Google or Facebook - you don't know anything about your users.
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Big game tonight in the National League: The Heed v The Poolies
Two County Durham sides fighting it out for the three points.
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Nah, Richard became aware of the illegitimacy of his nephews and that he was the rightful heir. Then the Tudor arse came and wrecked everything.ydoethur said:I'm not sure how he justifies the last line though. Impressive though the usurpation of Henry IV was, it pales compared to that of Richard III.
Heathener said:I’m rather impressed by @TSE at the moment.
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Indeed. I was scrolling through the thread, full of interesting thoughts and perceptions when I came across one glaringly jarring outrider. A toxic piece of nastiness.JosiasJessop said:
You must always be at 'work' then, as you never say anything considered, interesting, and particularly articulate.Leon said:
This is depressingly stupidNigelb said:
How many people do you imagine hold those views as you describe them (rather than a mild version of a small subset of them) ?Leon said:
Woke is an extremely hand and nicely pejorative word for the ensemble of insane ideas, policies, politics that see a person’s unalterable identity - sexual, racial, social - as more important than anything else (like character or attitude or persona or desires), and that certain races and genders - whites, males, etc - are inherently racist and sexist and always the oppressors, and that this is THE overwhelming truth and horror of society which must be addressed above and beyond all others ..anothernick said:FPT
"Woke" seems to me to be a catch-all term of division like "blob" or "establishment" or "deep state" not to mention "enemies of the people." It is designed to encourage fragmentation of society by persuading people that their interests are being undermined by malevolent forces conspiring against them.darkage said:
There is a lot in this @rcs1000.rcs1000 said:
Why is it that it is always that Trump (and the MAGA right) is a reaction to woke? Why not the other way around?darkage said:I appreciate that this may just be me seeing what I want to see but I have become aware of signs that men in particular are getting fed up with 'woke' ; I went out for a few beers last night and on the fourth pint, my friend was agreeing on subjects like that cancelling people had gone too far, that the kids will get fed up with the totalitarian indoctrination in schools on issues like 'gender' and 'hate speech' and rebel against it; that the woke right (ie Trump 2024) are an inevitable and predictable response to the extremes of the 'woke left', etc etc. It is only a personal anecdote but for many years this group of friends were very accepting of the zeitgeist but now I am detecting that they are changing and seeing the world differently. I've also seen this with older friends as well who start to look at the left and right and comment 'they are both as bad as each other'. Something also increasingly evident with commentators on here.
Take immigration. Under Obama, the Southern US border was essentially under control. Crossings were at a twenty year low. Trump then made a big deal of it, and the Left reacted against him.
See also Brexit in the UK- in many ways 'woke' was an evolution of 'remain', responding in turn to the obsession with a hard Brexit, which itself was a response to the approach to EU integration pursued by the political establishment.
If it's more than a handful, it's probably you that's insane.
I don’t think you’re that dim so I shall presume you’re at work and unable to say anything more considered, interesting or articulate, due to time pressure
Then I saw the author.
No idea why he’s still permitted on here tbh. Drags the site down from its considered and erudite debates continually.0 -
This graph shows an interesting trend. Undecided s and Independents making up their minds?Anabobazina said:https://pro.morningconsult.com/trackers/2024-presidential-election-polling
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Interestingly (maybe) both now have the same net favourability 46/51 (-5)
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Gateshead is Tyne & Wear nowadays (since 1974) but still a local derby of sorts I guess.SandyRentool said:Big game tonight in the National League: The Heed v The Poolies
Two County Durham sides fighting it out for the three points.0 -
Richard *invented* the story that his nephews were illegitimate and it's very possible he did so only after becoming King. Initially, he resurrected Clarence's claim that Edward IV had been illegitimate.wooliedyed said:
Nah, Richard became aware of the illegitimacy of his nephews and that he was the rightful heir. Then the Tudor arse came and wrecked everything.ydoethur said:I'm not sure how he justifies the last line though. Impressive though the usurpation of Henry IV was, it pales compared to that of Richard III.
Heathener said:I’m rather impressed by @TSE at the moment.
The only downside is that if people like him stick around in the Party after the defeat, they will one day bounce back.0 -
yes, it's slow(ish) progress for Biden but the trend is certainly there.Foxy said:
This graph shows an interesting trend. Undecided s and Independents making up their minds?Anabobazina said:https://pro.morningconsult.com/trackers/2024-presidential-election-polling
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Interestingly (maybe) both now have the same net favourability 46/51 (-5)0 -
Having a couple of viable broadly based options to vote for coming from just each side of centrist should be the ideal though. We shouldn’t have to keep repeating the game of one party running itself into a cul de sac so that the other wins largely by default despite having glaring deficiencies in its offer.Heathener said:I’m rather impressed by @TSE at the moment.
The only downside is that if people like him stick around in the Party after the defeat, they will one day bounce back.2 -
Same around here in Didcot and Wantage. My big concern is that the personal ambition of Labour candidates, who see the coming GE as possibly their only chance of becoming an MP, will lead to vote splits that will allow the Tories to cling on to numerous seats.kjh said:Labour are leafleting and canvassing in Guildford with dodgy bar charts (that's our job) showing they are the main challengers. Honestly they would rather the Tories hold Guildford by trying to thwart the LDs. Why not concentrate on sensible targets (admittedly not a lot around here).
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I love this line in the Nicole Shanahan Wikipedia bio: "In 2022, Shanahan gave $70 million to Blue Meridian Partners, which makes grants to nonprofits to help poverty."
Unexpected honesty!1 -
I am a bit sceptical of US polls as they do seem much less transparent than UK polls.Anabobazina said:
yes, it's slow(ish) progress for Biden but the trend is certainly there.Foxy said:
This graph shows an interesting trend. Undecided s and Independents making up their minds?Anabobazina said:https://pro.morningconsult.com/trackers/2024-presidential-election-polling
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Interestingly (maybe) both now have the same net favourability 46/51 (-5)2 -
You're not wrong.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Perfect set-up for money laundering "investments" from anyone who wants to "invest" in Donald Trump.rcs1000 said:
I think it's a monumental short squeeze.DavidL said:
It would be really interesting to know who is push buying these shares on debut. And what they might expect from the next POTUS in return.DecrepiterJohnL said:Trump's media company valued at nearly $9.6 billion as shares soar in debut
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/trump-s-media-company-valued-at-nearly-9-6-billion-as-shares-soar-in-debut/ar-BB1kzl9r
World's greatest business chief.
Remember, this is a business doing less than $5m in sales, running a massive loss.
Remember, too, that monetizing these businesses is hard. Because - unlike Google or Facebook - you don't know anything about your users.
When control of the entire US is potentially at stake, a couple of hundred million - which would probably tip a contest between the shorts and the suckers - is neither here nor there for those with the money.1 -
Yep. But just so long as there aren't over 70 million of them in November.Foxy said:
There's a sucker born every minute. Perhaps every second in MAGA land!kinabalu said:
Trump will be mortified if he makes big money on the deal but lots of his supporters lose out.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Yes although I fear for the bank accounts of small MAGA investors.williamglenn said:
Nice revenge for being banned from Twitter.DecrepiterJohnL said:Trump's media company valued at nearly $9.6 billion as shares soar in debut
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/trump-s-media-company-valued-at-nearly-9-6-billion-as-shares-soar-in-debut/ar-BB1kzl9r
World's greatest business chief.0 -
I'm a paid up member of the Richard was wronged throng. The victor's rewrite history to hide their own crimes.ydoethur said:
Richard *invented* the story that his nephews were illegitimate and it's very possible he did so only after becoming King. Initially, he resurrected Clarence's claim that Edward IV had been illegitimate.wooliedyed said:
Nah, Richard became aware of the illegitimacy of his nephews and that he was the rightful heir. Then the Tudor arse came and wrecked everything.ydoethur said:I'm not sure how he justifies the last line though. Impressive though the usurpation of Henry IV was, it pales compared to that of Richard III.
Heathener said:I’m rather impressed by @TSE at the moment.
The only downside is that if people like him stick around in the Party after the defeat, they will one day bounce back.0 -
That suits Labour, they don't want a strong LD contingentStaffordKnot said:
Same around here in Didcot and Wantage. My big concern is that the personal ambition of Labour candidates, who see the coming GE as possibly their only chance of becoming an MP, will lead to vote splits that will allow the Tories to cling on to numerous seats.kjh said:Labour are leafleting and canvassing in Guildford with dodgy bar charts (that's our job) showing they are the main challengers. Honestly they would rather the Tories hold Guildford by trying to thwart the LDs. Why not concentrate on sensible targets (admittedly not a lot around here).
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Ableist smears against Richard III have ruined his good reputation.ydoethur said:I'm not sure how he justifies the last line though. Impressive though the usurpation of Henry IV was, it pales compared to that of Richard III.
Heathener said:I’m rather impressed by @TSE at the moment.
The only downside is that if people like him stick around in the Party after the defeat, they will one day bounce back.
Nobody doubts Henry Bolingbroke was a usurper.0 -
I have no idea what you are talking about...............Foxy said:
I am a bit sceptical of US polls as they do seem much less transparent than UK polls.Anabobazina said:
yes, it's slow(ish) progress for Biden but the trend is certainly there.Foxy said:
This graph shows an interesting trend. Undecided s and Independents making up their minds?Anabobazina said:https://pro.morningconsult.com/trackers/2024-presidential-election-polling
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Interestingly (maybe) both now have the same net favourability 46/51 (-5)
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Strange, I could have sworn that when it came to the Liz Truss minibudget, we were told that the markets were dispassionate arbiters of economic stability, and the mere hint that they could be influenced by any political considerations was the subject of loud and somewhat laboured guffaws.Nigelb said:
You're not wrong.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Perfect set-up for money laundering "investments" from anyone who wants to "invest" in Donald Trump.rcs1000 said:
I think it's a monumental short squeeze.DavidL said:
It would be really interesting to know who is push buying these shares on debut. And what they might expect from the next POTUS in return.DecrepiterJohnL said:Trump's media company valued at nearly $9.6 billion as shares soar in debut
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/trump-s-media-company-valued-at-nearly-9-6-billion-as-shares-soar-in-debut/ar-BB1kzl9r
World's greatest business chief.
Remember, this is a business doing less than $5m in sales, running a massive loss.
Remember, too, that monetizing these businesses is hard. Because - unlike Google or Facebook - you don't know anything about your users.
When control of the entire US is potentially at stake, a couple of hundred million - which would probably tip a contest between the shorts and the suckers - is neither here nor there for those with the money.0 -
Nope, meet Dame Andrea Jenkyns.noneoftheabove said:Unfortunately this thread is another example of fake news. Boris Johnson doesn't have allies in the prural. Just Nadine.
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The Tories need to hive off the wing nuts as do Labour and take us back to a 60s/70s dynamic. There is room for Reform and the WPB/A Corbyn vehicle to take the odd seat and represent the not inconsequential strands of thought therein whilst the centre fights for government. A destroyed Tory party becomes problematic once we consider what replaces itToryJim said:
Having a couple of viable broadly based options to vote for coming from just each side of centrist should be the ideal though. We shouldn’t have to keep repeating the game of one party running itself into a cul de sac so that the other wins largely by default despite having glaring deficiencies in its offer.Heathener said:I’m rather impressed by @TSE at the moment.
The only downside is that if people like him stick around in the Party after the defeat, they will one day bounce back.0 -
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Lovely to have you back. However I am baffled as to how you see the widely acknowledged decline of the UK during the post-war consensus period as a desirable model for future political developments. It takes all sorts I guess.wooliedyed said:
The Tories need to hive off the wing nuts as do Labour and take us back to a 60s/70s dynamic. There is room for Reform and the WPB/A Corbyn vehicle to take the odd seat and represent the not inconsequential strands of thought therein whilst the centre fights for government. A destroyed Tory party becomes problematic once we consider what replaces itToryJim said:
Having a couple of viable broadly based options to vote for coming from just each side of centrist should be the ideal though. We shouldn’t have to keep repeating the game of one party running itself into a cul de sac so that the other wins largely by default despite having glaring deficiencies in its offer.Heathener said:I’m rather impressed by @TSE at the moment.
The only downside is that if people like him stick around in the Party after the defeat, they will one day bounce back.0 -
Strawberry and banana!TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
You're comparing the international bond market with a single company. Meaningless.Luckyguy1983 said:
Strange, I could have sworn that when it came to the Liz Truss minibudget, we were told that the markets were dispassionate arbiters of economic stability, and the mere hint that they could be influenced by any political considerations was the subject of loud and somewhat laboured guffaws.Nigelb said:
You're not wrong.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Perfect set-up for money laundering "investments" from anyone who wants to "invest" in Donald Trump.rcs1000 said:
I think it's a monumental short squeeze.DavidL said:
It would be really interesting to know who is push buying these shares on debut. And what they might expect from the next POTUS in return.DecrepiterJohnL said:Trump's media company valued at nearly $9.6 billion as shares soar in debut
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/trump-s-media-company-valued-at-nearly-9-6-billion-as-shares-soar-in-debut/ar-BB1kzl9r
World's greatest business chief.
Remember, this is a business doing less than $5m in sales, running a massive loss.
Remember, too, that monetizing these businesses is hard. Because - unlike Google or Facebook - you don't know anything about your users.
When control of the entire US is potentially at stake, a couple of hundred million - which would probably tip a contest between the shorts and the suckers - is neither here nor there for those with the money.
And no one said markets are dispassionate - just that you have to maintain their confidence if you're a government that needs to borrow money. Which she dismally failed to do.1 -
Indeed it does. I seek clarity in choice instead of the current fog of fetidness.Luckyguy1983 said:
Lovely to have you back. However I am baffled as to how you see the widely acknowledged decline of the UK during the post-war consensus period as a desirable model for future political developments. It takes all sorts I guess.wooliedyed said:
The Tories need to hive off the wing nuts as do Labour and take us back to a 60s/70s dynamic. There is room for Reform and the WPB/A Corbyn vehicle to take the odd seat and represent the not inconsequential strands of thought therein whilst the centre fights for government. A destroyed Tory party becomes problematic once we consider what replaces itToryJim said:
Having a couple of viable broadly based options to vote for coming from just each side of centrist should be the ideal though. We shouldn’t have to keep repeating the game of one party running itself into a cul de sac so that the other wins largely by default despite having glaring deficiencies in its offer.Heathener said:I’m rather impressed by @TSE at the moment.
The only downside is that if people like him stick around in the Party after the defeat, they will one day bounce back.
And thank you.
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Odd video. Is it actually aimed primarily at a US audience? It does seem like something the GoP would put out with the message 'What Labour did over there the Democrats are about to do over here' and ending with a picture if Khan and Biden in a smiling embrace. I don't get it.0
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Indeed the 60s and 70s "consensus" was a pretty reactionary one. Both main parties were socially way to the right even of the Tories today. Most children left school in their mid teens and higher education was for a tiny elite. We heated our homes with coal and drove dirty cars that belched toxic fumes into the air. River water quality made today's sewage releases seem like minor pooey trickles. Health and safety records in some workplaces were dire. Houses were cheap I suppose. But aside from house prices not super-keen to have that era back.Luckyguy1983 said:
Lovely to have you back. However I am baffled as to how you see the widely acknowledged decline of the UK during the post-war consensus period as a desirable model for future political developments. It takes all sorts I guess.wooliedyed said:
The Tories need to hive off the wing nuts as do Labour and take us back to a 60s/70s dynamic. There is room for Reform and the WPB/A Corbyn vehicle to take the odd seat and represent the not inconsequential strands of thought therein whilst the centre fights for government. A destroyed Tory party becomes problematic once we consider what replaces itToryJim said:
Having a couple of viable broadly based options to vote for coming from just each side of centrist should be the ideal though. We shouldn’t have to keep repeating the game of one party running itself into a cul de sac so that the other wins largely by default despite having glaring deficiencies in its offer.Heathener said:I’m rather impressed by @TSE at the moment.
The only downside is that if people like him stick around in the Party after the defeat, they will one day bounce back.0 -
Made I assume by youngsters immersed via TikTok in the US culture wars and assuming they will play well here (which they may do, in some quarters).Stark_Dawning said:Odd video. Is it actually aimed primarily at a US audience? It does seem like something the GoP would put out with the message 'What Labour did over there the Democrats are about to do over here' and ending with a picture if Khan and Biden in a smiling embrace. I don't get it.
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The Gold Standard.Anabobazina said:
I have no idea what you are talking about...............Foxy said:
I am a bit sceptical of US polls as they do seem much less transparent than UK polls.Anabobazina said:
yes, it's slow(ish) progress for Biden but the trend is certainly there.Foxy said:
This graph shows an interesting trend. Undecided s and Independents making up their minds?Anabobazina said:https://pro.morningconsult.com/trackers/2024-presidential-election-polling
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Interestingly (maybe) both now have the same net favourability 46/51 (-5)
An authoritative declaration of Trump 20 points ahead on no more evidence than a blade of grass in the breeze. Most impressive!1 -
It's just getting embarrassing now isn't it? Maybe the Tories should get rid of Sunak and install Penny?
Could it actually get any worse?0 -
Occam's Razor says it's been produced by nitwits.Stark_Dawning said:Odd video. Is it actually aimed primarily at a US audience? It does seem like something the GoP would put out with the message 'What Labour did over there the Democrats are about to do over here' and ending with a picture if Khan and Biden in a smiling embrace. I don't get it.
There have been a few attempts at viral material by the Conservative social media team that have just fallen flat recently.
Basically, that kind of shitposting is surprisingly hard to get right- just offensive enough without overreaching. And unlike 2019, the Conservatives don't seem to have the first rate shitposters working for them. Well, why would anyone work for them?1 -
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I see it as a grim period of hugely damaging socialist consensus (as I am sure you realise and are gently mocking). Our creativity was still at play, and much of the legacy economy was intact, so we still had things like the Beatles, the mini cooper, the Raleigh Chopper, etc. making a great contribution to our economy. But it would have gone, and indeed with a return to social democracy (in combination with orthodox laissez faire when dealing with foreign takeovers) much of it has.TimS said:
Indeed the 60s and 70s "consensus" was a pretty reactionary one. Both main parties were socially way to the right even of the Tories today. Most children left school in their mid teens and higher education was for a tiny elite. We heated our homes with coal and drove dirty cars that belched toxic fumes into the air. River water quality made today's sewage releases seem like minor pooey trickles. Health and safety records in some workplaces were dire. Houses were cheap I suppose. But aside from house prices not super-keen to have that era back.Luckyguy1983 said:
Lovely to have you back. However I am baffled as to how you see the widely acknowledged decline of the UK during the post-war consensus period as a desirable model for future political developments. It takes all sorts I guess.wooliedyed said:
The Tories need to hive off the wing nuts as do Labour and take us back to a 60s/70s dynamic. There is room for Reform and the WPB/A Corbyn vehicle to take the odd seat and represent the not inconsequential strands of thought therein whilst the centre fights for government. A destroyed Tory party becomes problematic once we consider what replaces itToryJim said:
Having a couple of viable broadly based options to vote for coming from just each side of centrist should be the ideal though. We shouldn’t have to keep repeating the game of one party running itself into a cul de sac so that the other wins largely by default despite having glaring deficiencies in its offer.Heathener said:I’m rather impressed by @TSE at the moment.
The only downside is that if people like him stick around in the Party after the defeat, they will one day bounce back.0 -
Robert Cahaly is considered by the wise to be the greatest political figure of our times.Mexicanpete said:
The Gold Standard.Anabobazina said:
I have no idea what you are talking about...............Foxy said:
I am a bit sceptical of US polls as they do seem much less transparent than UK polls.Anabobazina said:
yes, it's slow(ish) progress for Biden but the trend is certainly there.Foxy said:
This graph shows an interesting trend. Undecided s and Independents making up their minds?Anabobazina said:https://pro.morningconsult.com/trackers/2024-presidential-election-polling
B 43
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Interestingly (maybe) both now have the same net favourability 46/51 (-5)
An authoritative declaration of Trump 20 points ahead on no more evidence than a blade of grass in the breeze. Most impressive!
You might call Trafalgar Polls the Gold Standard, but this somewhat underplays their significance.
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Yes, comrade.Luckyguy1983 said:...
I see it as a grim period of hugely damaging socialist consensus (as I am sure you realise and are gently mocking). Our creativity was still at play, and much of the legacy economy was intact, so we still had things like the Beatles, the mini cooper, the Raleigh Chopper, etc. making a great contribution to our economy. But it would have gone, and indeed with a return to social democracy (in combination with orthodox laissez faire when dealing with foreign takeovers) much of it has.TimS said:
Indeed the 60s and 70s "consensus" was a pretty reactionary one. Both main parties were socially way to the right even of the Tories today. Most children left school in their mid teens and higher education was for a tiny elite. We heated our homes with coal and drove dirty cars that belched toxic fumes into the air. River water quality made today's sewage releases seem like minor pooey trickles. Health and safety records in some workplaces were dire. Houses were cheap I suppose. But aside from house prices not super-keen to have that era back.Luckyguy1983 said:
Lovely to have you back. However I am baffled as to how you see the widely acknowledged decline of the UK during the post-war consensus period as a desirable model for future political developments. It takes all sorts I guess.wooliedyed said:
The Tories need to hive off the wing nuts as do Labour and take us back to a 60s/70s dynamic. There is room for Reform and the WPB/A Corbyn vehicle to take the odd seat and represent the not inconsequential strands of thought therein whilst the centre fights for government. A destroyed Tory party becomes problematic once we consider what replaces itToryJim said:
Having a couple of viable broadly based options to vote for coming from just each side of centrist should be the ideal though. We shouldn’t have to keep repeating the game of one party running itself into a cul de sac so that the other wins largely by default despite having glaring deficiencies in its offer.Heathener said:I’m rather impressed by @TSE at the moment.
The only downside is that if people like him stick around in the Party after the defeat, they will one day bounce back.0 -
Yes, I think so. They seem to be keeping Susan Hall under wraps for now.GIN1138 said:It's just getting embarrassing now isn't it? Maybe the Tories should get rid of Sunak and install Penny?
Could it actually get any worse?1 -
She could market herself as the ultimate 1950s Tory Woman. Penny in a pinny making jam and chutney for hard working fellas. Martha Stewart with amazing hair.GIN1138 said:It's just getting embarrassing now isn't it? Maybe the Tories should get rid of Sunak and install Penny?
Could it actually get any worse?
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A judge finally calls time on delays.
The judge presiding over Trump's NY criminal case REFUSES to budge from his order forcing lawyers to ask his okay to file any more motions.
He also WARNS Trump's lawyers to obey that order, citing his "power to punish for a criminal contempt."
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In my view, Biden will be leading comfortably by September.0
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A little like my GE2025 prediction. Inch -perfection accuracy by me, but a probable error by the failing electorate.Anabobazina said:
Robert Cahaly is considered by the wise to be the greatest political figure of our times.Mexicanpete said:
The Gold Standard.Anabobazina said:
I have no idea what you are talking about...............Foxy said:
I am a bit sceptical of US polls as they do seem much less transparent than UK polls.Anabobazina said:
yes, it's slow(ish) progress for Biden but the trend is certainly there.Foxy said:
This graph shows an interesting trend. Undecided s and Independents making up their minds?Anabobazina said:https://pro.morningconsult.com/trackers/2024-presidential-election-polling
B 43
T 42
Interestingly (maybe) both now have the same net favourability 46/51 (-5)
An authoritative declaration of Trump 20 points ahead on no more evidence than a blade of grass in the breeze. Most impressive!
You might call Trafalgar Polls the Gold Standard, but this somewhat underplays their significance.
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'Trumps shares soar...." What's all that about?
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Trump's shares in Truth Social are worth over $5billion !0
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How Republicans learnt to love bigger government
A growing body on the right now believe that Medicare and other programmes must not be cut at all
https://www.ft.com/content/b17c31d4-8da3-42c9-8c8a-7e06dad9cf15 (£££)
No great surprise. GWB was a big-government president. The main thesis appears to be that middle class Republicans and working class Democrats have switched teams.
There is a telling aside about GOP budget-slasher Paul Ryan:-
The budget cutting championed by former Speaker of the House of Representatives Paul Ryan no longer has an obvious constituency.
That’s no great loss. When Ryan retired at the start of 2019, after two years of unified Republican control of Congress and the White House, at the peak of the longest economic expansion on record, he left behind a deficit for the fiscal year in progress that would approach $1tn.0 -
Donald is following the PT Barnum playbookRoger said:'Trumps shares soar...." What's all that about?
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I just watched Biden give quite a long statement on the Baltimore Bridge accident. He was coherent, sharp, clear and sensible. Rumours of his demise into senility are overstated, I think.BatteryCorrectHorse said:In my view, Biden will be leading comfortably by September.
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New Jersey Globe - With Murphy out of the race, Kim still supports ending the county line
With First Lady Tammy Murphy exiting the race for U.S. Senate this afternoon, a spokesperson for Rep. Andy Kim (D-Moorestown) – now the heavy favorite for the Democratic nomination to succeed indicted Senator Bob Menendez – said that the congressman still supports ending the county line, the ballot design system that had been set to give a major advantage to Murphy. . . .
Last month, Kim had filed a lawsuit seeking to abolish the county line, which gives party-endorsed candidates preferential placement on primary ballots. The lawsuit was heavily based around the immediate harm Kim would have faced in his upcoming election against Murphy; now that Murphy is out of the race and that immediate harm has dissipated, it’s not clear what will happen to the suit.
U.S. District Judge Zahid Quraishi heard Kim’s arguments last week and has not yet issued a ruling. Importantly, the lawsuit also included two other plaintiffs, congressional candidates Sarah Schoengood and Carolyn Rush, whose own campaigns and legal arguments are unaffected by Murphy’s departure.
Kim is now set to run on every county line statewide, including in the ten counties where the local county party had endorsed Murphy; a number of pro-Murphy county chairs have already confirmed they’re with Kim. That will leave fellow Democratic Senate candidates Larry Hamm and Patricia Campos-Medina, who had joined Kim in calling for the line to be abolished, out in the cold. . . .
https://newjerseyglobe.com/congress/with-murphy-out-of-the-race-kim-still-supports-ending-the-county-line/
SSI - Rather snide tone re: Andy Kim, implying (despite his statement) that the Congressman is somewhat ambivalent re: NJ's infamous "county line" party primary ballot slating system, by which candidates endorsed by county party organizations get preferential placement at top of ballot.
WHICH is explained, when you discover that "New Jersey Globe" is "founder and editor in chief".
And who(m) you ask, is David Wildstein? According to his wiki bio, he
served as a senior official in the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey during the administration of New Jersey Governor Chris Christie until 2013, when Wildstein resigned in the midst of a scandal involving traffic lanes closures. On May 1, 2015, he pleaded guilty to two federal felony counts of conspiracy as part of a plea agreement, but his conviction was later overturned.
SSI - In other words, a Chris Christie crony & co-phoney with their own axes to grind - and interests to serve - in the swamp that is New Jersey politics.
Which Andy Kim is working hard to drain!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Wildstein
SSI - My guess, and also hope, is that Kim & fellow plaintiffs will prevail in federal court, striking down this "county line" crapola.
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The bastard's rich again!0
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Go, the Donald
Now he’s got the money to fuck over Biden
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Just saw a comment that it might be 4 to 5 years to sort out the Baltimore debacle, and that the US is effectively divided along the Mason Dixon line again0
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Nearly ninety years ago, during a political brouhaha in Louisiana, allies of then-embattled Gov. Huey Long aka The Kingfish, hustled an inconvenient politico off to a remote fishing camp on an off-shore island in the Gulf of Mexico.Northern_Al said:
Yes, I think so. They seem to be keeping Susan Hall under wraps for now.GIN1138 said:It's just getting embarrassing now isn't it? Maybe the Tories should get rid of Sunak and install Penny?
Could it actually get any worse?
So Where's Susan? Rockall? South Shetlands?
Thought I hear Pitcairn is lovely this time of year . . .0 -
You have to admire Trump for his sheer, unsquashable chutzpah
Just never gives up. Always bounces back. Proper ornery American remember-the-Alamo never-say-die irrepressiblissimo0 -
Arse-licker.Leon said:You have to admire Trump for his sheer, unsquashable chutzpah
Just never gives up. Always bounces back. Proper ornery American remember-the-Alamo never-say-die irrepressiblissimo4 -
And to show this isn't confined to women, one Conor Burns.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nope, meet Dame Andrea Jenkyns.noneoftheabove said:Unfortunately this thread is another example of fake news. Boris Johnson doesn't have allies in the prural. Just Nadine.
"I'm sure he'll come back one day."0 -
On topic, the Tories have only gone and screwed up again.
https://twitter.com/KevinASchofield/status/17726894114754846910 -
They really need to start forced sterilization of Trump supporters . Their continued polluting of the US gene pool needs to end .0
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He’s one of the great men of our time. History will be kinder than PBAnabobazina said:
Arse-licker.Leon said:You have to admire Trump for his sheer, unsquashable chutzpah
Just never gives up. Always bounces back. Proper ornery American remember-the-Alamo never-say-die irrepressiblissimo-1 -
Which is one reason for the practise of not selling, but borrowing money against shares you hold, as a method of extracting cash.eek said:
Share prices are set at the margin - so it doesn't take much to massively increase the price if few shares are sold...Roger said:'Trumps shares soar...." What's all that about?
Edit-His media shares float at $9 billion!0 -
So he will have no trouble selling a few to raise his bond money for the courts then?geoffw said:Trump's shares in Truth Social are worth over $5billion !
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The worst thing about these ads is the American voiceover.MJW said:On topic, the Tories have only gone and screwed up again.
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Does that half seen wording read 'BRONX' ?0
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That's a but over egging it. The fallen bridge is from one side of Baltimore to the other. There are more bridges and the Mason Dixon line is further north on the Maryland Pennsylvania border.wooliedyed said:Just saw a comment that it might be 4 to 5 years to sort out the Baltimore debacle, and that the US is effectively divided along the Mason Dixon line again
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"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."nico679 said:They really need to start forced sterilization of Trump supporters . Their continued polluting of the US gene pool needs to end .
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Dementia Don?Leon said:You have to admire Trump for his sheer, unsquashable chutzpah
Just never gives up. Always bounces back. Proper ornery American remember-the-Alamo never-say-die irrepressiblissimo0 -
You mock but in 20 years time when Generalisimo Trump asks Governor Farage of the occupied territories of Englandshire who goes to the work camps and who gets to join the new 10k and receive ten shares in Truth Social, Leon will be the one laughing.Anabobazina said:
Arse-licker.Leon said:You have to admire Trump for his sheer, unsquashable chutzpah
Just never gives up. Always bounces back. Proper ornery American remember-the-Alamo never-say-die irrepressiblissimo2 -
No, he will pocket the dosh. His MAGA saps will still have to fund the campaign, and some of that will end up going to Trump too.Leon said:Go, the Donald
Now he’s got the money to fuck over Biden
Eyes down!0 -
You are admiring a crook and conman, which isn't admirable. The business has only a few hundred million in assets and its only product makes a significant loss. It is a con. Lots will lose a fortune when it collapses. Presumably Trump hopes to be out by then having sold his shares to the gullible.Leon said:You have to admire Trump for his sheer, unsquashable chutzpah
Just never gives up. Always bounces back. Proper ornery American remember-the-Alamo never-say-die irrepressiblissimo
He isn't admirable. He should be in jail. Nothing to admire here at all.3 -
The Mason Dixon line extends for many hundreds of milesFoxy said:
That's a but over egging it. The fallen bridge is from one side of Baltimore to the other. There are more bridges and the Mason Dixon line is further north on the Maryland Pennsylvania border.wooliedyed said:Just saw a comment that it might be 4 to 5 years to sort out the Baltimore debacle, and that the US is effectively divided along the Mason Dixon line again
There’s a couple of bridges over the Ohio River and the Line at Cincinnati which, AFAIK, are fine
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Yeah I think the comment was illustrative rather than absolute, although thus bridge is apparently a critical carrier of toxic materials so its loss will have a profound effectFoxy said:
That's a but over egging it. The fallen bridge is from one side of Baltimore to the other. There are more bridges and the Mason Dixon line is further north on the Maryland Pennsylvania border.wooliedyed said:Just saw a comment that it might be 4 to 5 years to sort out the Baltimore debacle, and that the US is effectively divided along the Mason Dixon line again
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Eugenics was a popular idea on the left.nico679 said:They really need to start forced sterilization of Trump supporters . Their continued polluting of the US gene pool needs to end .
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Dirty Donald!Leon said:
He’s one of the great men of our time. History will be kinder than PBAnabobazina said:
Arse-licker.Leon said:You have to admire Trump for his sheer, unsquashable chutzpah
Just never gives up. Always bounces back. Proper ornery American remember-the-Alamo never-say-die irrepressiblissimo0 -
My guess is that you are traveling and bored and seeing who you can wind up. My follow up prediction is that you will succeed in this goal.Leon said:
He’s one of the great men of our time. History will be kinder than PBAnabobazina said:
Arse-licker.Leon said:You have to admire Trump for his sheer, unsquashable chutzpah
Just never gives up. Always bounces back. Proper ornery American remember-the-Alamo never-say-die irrepressiblissimo5 -
Can't sell them for 6 months, by then they will be junk.No_Offence_Alan said:
So he will have no trouble selling a few to raise his bond money for the courts then?geoffw said:Trump's shares in Truth Social are worth over $5billion !
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I cannot imagine why you admire the self confessed pussy grabber.Leon said:
He’s one of the great men of our time. History will be kinder than PBAnabobazina said:
Arse-licker.Leon said:You have to admire Trump for his sheer, unsquashable chutzpah
Just never gives up. Always bounces back. Proper ornery American remember-the-Alamo never-say-die irrepressiblissimo0 -
Birmingham, Alabama?MJW said:On topic, the Tories have only gone and screwed up again.
https://twitter.com/KevinASchofield/status/17726894114754846910 -
What about that other shithead you admire so much - Putin?Leon said:
He’s one of the great men of our time. History will be kinder than PBAnabobazina said:
Arse-licker.Leon said:You have to admire Trump for his sheer, unsquashable chutzpah
Just never gives up. Always bounces back. Proper ornery American remember-the-Alamo never-say-die irrepressiblissimo
Have you never stopped to wonder what trauma you went through that makes you admire these shitheads, or is it just that you are a shithead yourself?1 -
Yes, Trump has his flaws but he will be seen as a kind of Bolivar in the future, guiding his nation - nay, the nations - with a raptor’s vision and the stealth of the tawny caracalkamski said:
What about that other shithead you admire so much - Putin?Leon said:
He’s one of the great men of our time. History will be kinder than PBAnabobazina said:
Arse-licker.Leon said:You have to admire Trump for his sheer, unsquashable chutzpah
Just never gives up. Always bounces back. Proper ornery American remember-the-Alamo never-say-die irrepressiblissimo
Have you never stopped to wonder what trauma you went through that makes you admire these shitheads, or is it just that you are a shithead yourself?0 -
They are, but Trump and his acolytes have formed a narrative that means whenever Biden has any kind of stumble, he's a senile old fool, whereas whenever Trump does so (which is far more often) he's being free-wheelin' Don. Unfortunately, they have done so quite effectively in a way that has an impact beyond Trump's base.Northern_Al said:
I just watched Biden give quite a long statement on the Baltimore Bridge accident. He was coherent, sharp, clear and sensible. Rumours of his demise into senility are overstated, I think.BatteryCorrectHorse said:In my view, Biden will be leading comfortably by September.
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Let's see how quickly they fall when he doesNo_Offence_Alan said:
So he will have no trouble selling a few to raise his bond money for the courts then?geoffw said:Trump's shares in Truth Social are worth over $5billion !
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Dodgy Donald!Leon said:
Yes, Trump has his flaws but he will be seen as a kind of Bolivar in the future, guiding his nation - nay, the nations - with a raptor’s vision and the stealth of the tawny caracalkamski said:
What about that other shithead you admire so much - Putin?Leon said:
He’s one of the great men of our time. History will be kinder than PBAnabobazina said:
Arse-licker.Leon said:You have to admire Trump for his sheer, unsquashable chutzpah
Just never gives up. Always bounces back. Proper ornery American remember-the-Alamo never-say-die irrepressiblissimo
Have you never stopped to wonder what trauma you went through that makes you admire these shitheads, or is it just that you are a shithead yourself?0 -
I got five in one go. @kamski @tse @kjh @logical_song and possibly @Sunil_Prasannanmwadams said:
My guess is that you are traveling and bored and seeing who you can wind up. My follow up prediction is that you will succeed in this goal.Leon said:
He’s one of the great men of our time. History will be kinder than PBAnabobazina said:
Arse-licker.Leon said:You have to admire Trump for his sheer, unsquashable chutzpah
Just never gives up. Always bounces back. Proper ornery American remember-the-Alamo never-say-die irrepressiblissimo
Not bad!1 -
Did Bolivar suffer from dementia?Leon said:
Yes, Trump has his flaws but he will be seen as a kind of Bolivar in the future, guiding his nation - nay, the nations - with a raptor’s vision and the stealth of the tawny caracalkamski said:
What about that other shithead you admire so much - Putin?Leon said:
He’s one of the great men of our time. History will be kinder than PBAnabobazina said:
Arse-licker.Leon said:You have to admire Trump for his sheer, unsquashable chutzpah
Just never gives up. Always bounces back. Proper ornery American remember-the-Alamo never-say-die irrepressiblissimo
Have you never stopped to wonder what trauma you went through that makes you admire these shitheads, or is it just that you are a shithead yourself?
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lolkamski said:
What about that other shithead you admire so much - Putin?Leon said:
He’s one of the great men of our time. History will be kinder than PBAnabobazina said:
Arse-licker.Leon said:You have to admire Trump for his sheer, unsquashable chutzpah
Just never gives up. Always bounces back. Proper ornery American remember-the-Alamo never-say-die irrepressiblissimo
Have you never stopped to wonder what trauma you went through that makes you admire these shitheads, or is it just that you are a shithead yourself?
It’s the blood vessel bursting ANGER that truly entertains me0 -
Nah, mine was just checking you meant *Dementia* Don.Leon said:
I got five in one go. @kamski @tse @kjh @logical_song and possibly @Sunil_Prasannanmwadams said:
My guess is that you are traveling and bored and seeing who you can wind up. My follow up prediction is that you will succeed in this goal.Leon said:
He’s one of the great men of our time. History will be kinder than PBAnabobazina said:
Arse-licker.Leon said:You have to admire Trump for his sheer, unsquashable chutzpah
Just never gives up. Always bounces back. Proper ornery American remember-the-Alamo never-say-die irrepressiblissimo
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Wragg trying another motion to get Hoyle referred to the privileges committee0
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. . . multiple Lines of Discredit . . .
AP (via Seattle Times) - Trump is selling ‘God Bless the USA’ Bibles for $59.99 as he faces mounting legal bills
Former President Donald Trump is now selling Bibles as he runs to return to the White House.
Trump, who became the presumptive Republican nominee earlier this month, released a video on his Truth Social platform on Tuesday urging his supporters to buy the “God Bless the USA Bible,” which is inspired by country singer Lee Greenwood’s patriotic ballad. Trump takes the stage to the song at each of his rallies and has appeared with Greenwood at events.
“Happy Holy Week! Let’s Make America Pray Again. As we lead into Good Friday and Easter, I encourage you to get a copy of the God Bless the USA Bible,” Trump wrote, directing his supporters to a website selling the book for $59.99. . . .0 -
Hmm. I’ll put you down as a maybelogical_song said:
Nah, mine was just checking you meant *Dementia* Don.Leon said:
I got five in one go. @kamski @tse @kjh @logical_song and possibly @Sunil_Prasannanmwadams said:
My guess is that you are traveling and bored and seeing who you can wind up. My follow up prediction is that you will succeed in this goal.Leon said:
He’s one of the great men of our time. History will be kinder than PBAnabobazina said:
Arse-licker.Leon said:You have to admire Trump for his sheer, unsquashable chutzpah
Just never gives up. Always bounces back. Proper ornery American remember-the-Alamo never-say-die irrepressiblissimo
Not bad!
I actually managed to thrombose one of @kamski’s haemorrhoids, which is pretty impressive given that I am in Bogotá and he is in arsenficken, Bavaria0 -
Ok, give you that one. Well done..Leon said:
I got five in one go. @kamski @tse @kjh @logical_song and possibly @Sunil_Prasannanmwadams said:
My guess is that you are traveling and bored and seeing who you can wind up. My follow up prediction is that you will succeed in this goal.Leon said:
He’s one of the great men of our time. History will be kinder than PBAnabobazina said:
Arse-licker.Leon said:You have to admire Trump for his sheer, unsquashable chutzpah
Just never gives up. Always bounces back. Proper ornery American remember-the-Alamo never-say-die irrepressiblissimo
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Dick-head Donald!Leon said:
I got five in one go. @kamski @tse @kjh @logical_song and possibly @Sunil_Prasannanmwadams said:
My guess is that you are traveling and bored and seeing who you can wind up. My follow up prediction is that you will succeed in this goal.Leon said:
He’s one of the great men of our time. History will be kinder than PBAnabobazina said:
Arse-licker.Leon said:You have to admire Trump for his sheer, unsquashable chutzpah
Just never gives up. Always bounces back. Proper ornery American remember-the-Alamo never-say-die irrepressiblissimo
Not bad!0