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  • 148grss148grss Posts: 4,155

    Did you miss the Trussageddon?
    Trussageddon is happening, just slowly. The issue with Truss was not her policy proposal, but the way she announced it - it spooked the markets because she didn't have a plan. Whereas Sunak and Hunt are still cutting taxes and attempting to cut government spending despite the fact that it won't lead to more growth, because it put more money in the pockets of the richest people.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,787

    Maybe they aren't. Maybe they're in the sixty who have already announced their retirement or the forty who I think everyone expects to join them.

    Or maybe it's Dave.

    (It is striking how Conservatives are just giving up. What are the current rules on winding up payments?)
    I think they get £19k to wrap up their affairs including letting staff and offices go
  • mwadams said:

    That is a very good question. One that we know a lot MPs have answered already. And, of course, this may not be an MP.
    That last is a good point. I stood as a "paperless" candidate in the last round of local elections, but I am sure I would be a "senior Lib Dem" if I publicly said something negative about the party.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,625

    You do also need to factor in the fact that you are still going to have to drill for those hydrocarbons even when you are not burning them. Like it or not your whole world economy is based on hydrocarbons in one form or another. From the lubricants and coolants to help your EV go, to the insulation around the wiring that underpins every aspect of modern society.

    I am a big fan of not burning hydrocarbons and have been for 35 years - because it is a finite and valuable resource. But the idea the world can operate without hydrocarbons in all their other forms and uses is naive and dangerous.
    This is where degrowth comes in and prioritising "wellbeing". The earths resources are finite. Pursuing growth fuels demand. So do not go for growth. Manage what you have. Hence we see Green councillors in the lake district not wanting to see EV chargers put in for electric cars, as I saw on our local politics show recently, as this simply keeps consumer demand there,

    The EU are spending millions funding research into it.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/13/economy/degrowth-climate-cop27/index.html
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,723

    You do also need to factor in the fact that you are still going to have to drill for those hydrocarbons even when you are not burning them. Like it or not your whole world economy is based on hydrocarbons in one form or another. From the lubricants and coolants to help your EV go, to the insulation around the wiring that underpins every aspect of modern society.

    I am a big fan of not burning hydrocarbons and have been for 35 years - because it is a finite and valuable resource. But the idea the world can operate without hydrocarbons in all their other forms and uses is naive and dangerous.
    It potentially could - but that's far longer away than is replacing hydrocarbons as a fuel source. And neither you nor I need worry about that.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,787
    Nigelb said:

    They've voted for it, though.
    There are independents and you can spoil your vote.

    As ever I ask why should I vote for the lesser of two evils when I dont want to vote for Evil in the first place ?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,114
    @nicholascecil

    Rishi Sunak hints the Tories would accept another £5 million from 'racism' storm donor Frank Hester
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,723
    edited March 2024

    There are independents and you can spoil your vote.

    As ever I ask why should I vote for the lesser of two evils when I dont want to vote for Evil in the first place ?
    Biden isn't evil.

    And you don't have a vote.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180

    That last is a good point. I stood as a "paperless" candidate in the last round of local elections, but I am sure I would be a "senior Lib Dem" if I publicly said something negative about the party.
    "Top" is the favourite red top word. It is a standing joke amongst my friends that the only way any of us will ever get to be a top lawyer is to really screw up.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,214

    then why are they standing ?
    Politicians are invariably optimists. They may well believe that they can turn it around at some point later, as Labour eventually did, or as the Tories did in the early 2000s. Or that they want to achieve things locally. Or that they want to fly the flag anyway and stand for what they believe in. Or it may be that they see no alternative for them on the right-of-centre and the Tories remain their best bet. Or, simply habit, networks and friendship.

    Many reasons.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,319
    Scott_xP said:

    @nicholascecil

    Rishi Sunak hints the Tories would accept another £5 million from 'racism' storm donor Frank Hester

    I don't feel like that is really news.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,787
    Scott_xP said:

    @nicholascecil

    Rishi Sunak hints the Tories would accept another £5 million from 'racism' storm donor Frank Hester

    Oh why get excited ? Labour would happily accept £5million from Tony Blair the Iraqi war monger.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,661

    The Greens are being used as Spare Labour, at the moment.
    Greens like BJO loathe Labour, however.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    Scott_xP said:

    @nicholascecil

    Rishi Sunak hints the Tories would accept another £5 million from 'racism' storm donor Frank Hester

    The spineless gimp is still lying .

    Hester did not apologize for his racist comments .
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,723
    I hope this turns out better than the last time the Aussies bought into our infrastructure.
    (I'm slightly surprised we haven't banned MacQuarie altogether.)

    https://www.afr.com/markets/equity-markets/why-hostplus-is-doing-the-uk-differently-20240318-p5fd3r
    ..In late November, British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak held a “global investment summit” in the Tudor surrounds of Hampton Court Palace, just south of London.
    As part of the summit, IFM Investors announced it would look to invest £10 billion ($9.79 billion) in British assets by 2027, and Aware Super unveiled a London office and said it would deploy £5.25 billion.
    Downing Street likes to elicit this kind of commitment from the big super funds on a pretty regular basis. Former PM Boris Johnson in 2022 cadged a £12 billion pledge from Macquarie. And chancellor Jeremy Hunt this month welcomed a promise from AustralianSuper that it would have £18 billion invested in Britain by 2030. ...
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,787
    Nigelb said:

    Biden isn't evil.

    And you don't have a vote.
    Well of course he is, he left Pelosi in situ.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,661
    Donkeys said:

    The NHS would be the main reason for most of what would be the (minority) pro-Union vote among Catholics in the 6C.

    For Ireland to be reunified, there'd have to be a referendum in the 26C too, in which a pro-reunification victory wouldn't be a dead cert.

    But it's not as if all Protestants (or whose parents were or are in that category) would vote for the Union.
    Is it just me, or is NI getting ever more progressive, given the recent rise of SF and Alliance, whereas the Republic is getting ever more right-wing, given anti-immigrant sentiment, and the rejection of changes to the "women should stay at home" bits of the Constitution?
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,214

    He is too old. So is Trump.

    The USA should not be having this choice.
    True. But Biden is certainly not senile. (Nor is Trump, for that matter, although he is increasingly living in an echo chamber of his own paranoia and delusions - but that's a different mental condition).
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,114
    @DeltapollUK

    Net approval for the Prime Minister @RishiSunak is unchanged, while approval for
    @Keir_Starmer increases by five points.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,787

    True. But Biden is certainly not senile. (Nor is Trump, for that matter, although he is increasingly living in an echo chamber of his own paranoia and delusions - but that's a different mental condition).
    Oh right so Biden will just be getting fitter over the next 4 years, Will he be doing the 100m at the Olympics in Paris ?

    Who am I to believe, you or the evidence of my own eyes ? Tough call.

  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,114
    @DeltapollUK
    🚨New Voting Intention🚨
    Labour lead increases to twenty-three points in our latest results.
    Con 23% (-4)
    Lab 46% (+2)
    Lib Dem 9% (-1)
    Reform 12% (+1)
    SNP 2% (-)
    Green 5% (+1)
    Other 3% (+1)
    Fieldwork: 15th-18th March 2024
    Sample: 2,072 GB adults
    (Changes from 8th-11th March 2024)
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,601

    Is it just me, or is NI getting ever more progressive, given the recent rise of SF and Alliance, whereas the Republic is getting ever more right-wing, given anti-immigrant sentiment, and the rejection of changes to the "women should stay at home" bits of the Constitution?
    NI may eventually want to be an independent nation in the EU.


  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,661

    Oh right so Biden will just be getting fitter over the next 4 years, Will he be doing the 100m at the Olympics in Paris ?

    Who am I to believe, you or the evidence of my own eyes ? Tough call.

    Queen Lizzie made it to 96! No one questioned her faculties!
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,626
    Scott_xP said:

    @DeltapollUK

    Net approval for the Prime Minister @RishiSunak is unchanged, while approval for
    @Keir_Starmer increases by five points.

    Presumably as a result of all the things Starmer has done in the last few weeks. Checks. Nope - he hasn't done anything...

    Oh wait - he was on Fantasy Football...
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,114
    @DeltapollUK

    When it comes to perceived economic competence, the gap between
    @UKLabour and @Conservatives now stands at sixteen percentage points.

    Come back next week for updates on all of our weekly trackers.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,787

    Queen Lizzie made it to 96! No one questioned her faculties!
    She wasnt doing the toughest job in the world.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,661

    She wasnt doing the toughest job in the world.
    But she was our Queen, ie. Head of State.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,533
    NY Times look ahead to coming week:

    "The big things to watch this week are whether Biden has picked up any support among voters post-State of the Union in the coming batch of public opinion polls and surveys, and whether Trump shows any signs of weakness — not just in those polls, but in the Ohio Senate primary on Tuesday, where his preferred Republican candidate is in a tough three-way battle for the nomination."
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,319

    Greens like BJO loathe Labour, however.
    I'm a member and I don't think I know anybody who would be tempted to vote Labour.

    Starmer's shithousery over Gaza alone is enough to put anyone off.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,661
    Scott_xP said:

    @DeltapollUK
    🚨New Voting Intention🚨
    Labour lead increases to twenty-three points in our latest results.
    Con 23% (-4)
    Lab 46% (+2)
    Lib Dem 9% (-1)
    Reform 12% (+1)
    SNP 2% (-)
    Green 5% (+1)
    Other 3% (+1)
    Fieldwork: 15th-18th March 2024
    Sample: 2,072 GB adults
    (Changes from 8th-11th March 2024)

    Broken, sleazy, RACIST Tories on the slide! :lol:
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,787

    But she was our Queen, ie. Head of State.
    The PM does the hard bits.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,354

    Presumably as a result of all the things Starmer has done in the last few weeks. Checks. Nope - he hasn't done anything...

    Oh wait - he was on Fantasy Football...
    OK, Deltapoll does bounce like a bouncy thing, but my guess is that it's the Rochdale failure fading from public consciousness.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,626

    The PM does the hard bits.
    The Civil service does the hard bits, they just let the PM think he or she is doing it...
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    Scott_xP said:

    @DeltapollUK
    🚨New Voting Intention🚨
    Labour lead increases to twenty-three points in our latest results.
    Con 23% (-4)
    Lab 46% (+2)
    Lib Dem 9% (-1)
    Reform 12% (+1)
    SNP 2% (-)
    Green 5% (+1)
    Other 3% (+1)
    Fieldwork: 15th-18th March 2024
    Sample: 2,072 GB adults
    (Changes from 8th-11th March 2024)

    Tax "cutting" budget bounce!
    The solution seems to be...one more similar event and the scales before the voters' eyes will fall.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,661

    Not an image I wanted.
    Tories = Liverpool
    Labour = Man Utd.

    :innocent:
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,661

    The PM does the hard bits.
    Including accepting more donations from Racists?
  • OK, Deltapoll does bounce like a bouncy thing, but my guess is that it's the Rochdale failure fading from public consciousness.
    Personally I think it is the chaos at the heart of the conservative government

    Divided and infighting is a very bad look and will see them have a really terrible GE
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,723
    This is about as convincing as that bit in Julius Caesar where he makes a show of refusing the imperial crown.

    Mordaunt has told pals publicly slapping down plotters would only add fuel to fire.

    Told she doesn’t wish to add legitimacy so no statement yet

    Source close: “Everyone knows it's nonsense and that people unfriendly to Penny like to stir up trouble"

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1769701263325757670
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,787

    Including accepting more donations from Racists?
    If racists want to be relieved of their money thats a good thing. Theyll have less available for causing trouble.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,784
    Heathener said:

    No one less in a political bubble, who still frequents this site, could you find. In fact, I write ‘frequents’ but I am frequently absent from here for weeks, months.

    I chat to real people. I don’t own a car but travel instead on trains and buses, very occasionally planes. I shop at Lidl and take my son to football matches. I talk to people who generally have no interest in politics. My Surrey tory-voting friend spends very little time on politics but she is in rage at the moment.

    That is what I encounter everywhere with ordinary people. Raw fury at the tories. They fucked up their mortgages, their heating bills, their roads, their councils, their overseas and domestic travel, their shopping bills, and their NHS.
    Also you boil water in the morning then keep any leftover hot water in “thermos flasks” so as to save money

    That’s when you’re not travelling on buses, trains and planes, or spending a lot of time abroad like me, or taking tea with your Surrey based “Tory voting friend” - do you bring your thermos of hot water to these tea time chats to save her some money?
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,754

    Good afternoon

    Managed to strim and cut our rear lawn today just 6 weeks after my pacemaker operation

    The pulse rate was excellent throughout but not able to take any liberties as my good lady watches ready to swoop if she thinks i am pushing it ( not the mower)

    Hope to do the front lawn in the next few days

    Now I feel bad for not doing mine!

    Isn’t it a bit wet for mowing the lawn this week? At least the at was my excuse to Mrs Biggles this weekend…..
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,784
    biggles said:

    Now I feel bad for not doing mine!

    Isn’t it a bit wet for mowing the lawn this week? At least the at was my excuse to Mrs Biggles this weekend…..
    Is the weather STILL SHIT in Blighty? I’m meant to be coming home this week but it’s really hard when it is so gorgeous out here and dull and miserable in the YUK
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,114
    @theipaper

    Opinion | Even Rishi’s ring-binder can’t stop the Tory death spiral

    Emotional intelligence is the missing ingredient in the Sunak mix and it is coming to dominate everything, as both voters and MPs ask whether the PM really gets it, writes
    @KateEMcCann

    https://t.co/yDwgIOZrnE
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,479
    Mr. Leon's, it's bizarrely warm in Yorkshire. T-shirt weather.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,784
    *checks weather in London*

    Jesus fecking Christ. It’s still shit isn’t it? March is basically another month of winter in Britain
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,214

    Oh right so Biden will just be getting fitter over the next 4 years, Will he be doing the 100m at the Olympics in Paris ?

    Who am I to believe, you or the evidence of my own eyes ? Tough call.

    I never said anything about either man's physical fitness. FWIW, I think there's a probability that whichever is elected won't see out his term. Trump is obese, stressed and with an awful diet; Biden looks frail.

    Feel free to believe whatever you want. I'm just calling it as I see it.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,805
    Leon said:

    Is the weather STILL SHIT in Blighty? I’m meant to be coming home this week but it’s really hard when it is so gorgeous out here and dull and miserable in the YUK
    It's actually quite nice. But you won't be able to go outside wearing just a teeny pair of shorts.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,723

    Oh right so Biden will just be getting fitter over the next 4 years, Will he be doing the 100m at the Olympics in Paris ?

    Who am I to believe, you or the evidence of my own eyes ? Tough call.

    When was the last time a party refused the nomination to a sitting President who wanted to run ?
    And the GOP is now a cult.

    The only way you didn't get this outcome would have been Hillary beating Trump the first time round.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,784

    Mr. Leon's, it's bizarrely warm in Yorkshire. T-shirt weather.

    It’s not tepid warmth I crave. It’s spring sunshine

    This looks dull as fuckery. This is January all over again



  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,214

    Queen Lizzie made it to 96! No one questioned her faculties!
    But she clearly wasn't fit for her last few years. It would have been better for her to have handed over by the time she was 90. Granted, that's still older than Biden will be by 2029, never mind Trump, but then it's also a very different job.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,784
    Fuck this shit

    *stays in colombia*
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,319

    I never said anything about either man's physical fitness. FWIW, I think there's a probability that whichever is elected won't see out his term. Trump is obese, stressed and with an awful diet; Biden looks frail.

    Feel free to believe whatever you want. I'm just calling it as I see it.
    DJT has good genetics. His revolting father lived to a right old age. Biden's father was from the pre-pottery Palaeolithic before the advent of written language so we don't know how old he was.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,723
    Leon said:

    Is the weather STILL SHIT in Blighty? I’m meant to be coming home this week but it’s really hard when it is so gorgeous out here and dull and miserable in the YUK
    The sun came out this morning in celebration of your continued foreign sojourn.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,787

    I never said anything about either man's physical fitness. FWIW, I think there's a probability that whichever is elected won't see out his term. Trump is obese, stressed and with an awful diet; Biden looks frail.

    Feel free to believe whatever you want. I'm just calling it as I see it.
    Me too. And the USA has better fitter mentally more astute candidates than these two gentlemen.

    There are other candidates and nobody has to vote for them.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,723
    kinabalu said:

    It's actually quite nice. But you won't be able to go outside wearing just a teeny pair of shorts.
    A relief to all after yesterday's Farage header.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,784
    Nigelb said:

    The sun came out this morning in celebration of your continued foreign sojourn.
    No it didn’t


  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,287
    nico679 said:

    The spineless gimp is still lying .

    Hester did not apologize for his racist comments .
    Have we got to the "we need to move on" stage yet? They figure if they just talk shite for long enough people will get tired of it. They're right.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,510
    Leon said:

    Is the weather STILL SHIT in Blighty? I’m meant to be coming home this week but it’s really hard when it is so gorgeous out here and dull and miserable in the YUK
    Saturday here was glorious (I posted such). Lovely sunny day. Long walk in the countryside in the morning, Lawn mowed in the afternoon. Looks like you have missed Spring.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,626
    Leon said:

    It’s not tepid warmth I crave. It’s spring sunshine

    This looks dull as fuckery. This is January all over again



    Not entirely sure how you would know what the weather is like in the UK winter as you are never actually here.
    But I have to say it has been notably grey and wet this winter. But as I type this a ray of sunshine bursts through and illuminates the ancient stone work of my University building (surely shitty old concrete blocks? - Ed) and there is hope for the future. Despite the grey and the rain, the plants are cracking on. Rhododendrons coming out at Heavens Gate, daffodils looking superb and the first signs of my tulips cresting free of their green shells.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,723
    .
    Leon said:

    No it didn’t


    It did where I am.
    Appropriately, God's own county.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,479
    Mr. Leon, the weather (BBC) reckons it's 14 feels like 13 and overcast here but it's bright sunshine and blue sky, and so warm I was sweating in a t-shirt.

    Anyway, I must be off. My new PF2 player book won't read itself.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,784

    Mr. Leon's, it's bizarrely warm in Yorkshire. T-shirt weather.

    You have quite low climatic standards but I admire your ability to go out in a tee shirt at 13-14C


  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,723
    edited March 2024

    Me too. And the USA has better fitter mentally more astute candidates than these two gentlemen.

    There are other candidates and nobody has to vote for them.
    And (almost) nobody will vote for them.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,626
    Leon said:

    No it didn’t


    Ever wondered if you are living in a computer simulation? Preferring a computerised report of the weather to an actual human observer may just be the first step.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,805

    I never said anything about either man's physical fitness. FWIW, I think there's a probability that whichever is elected won't see out his term. Trump is obese, stressed and with an awful diet; Biden looks frail.

    Feel free to believe whatever you want. I'm just calling it as I see it.
    Yep. The risk with Biden is he won't be able to complete a term. This would need to be managed. There's that same risk with Trump (albeit less likely to be managed) and then there's umpteen other Trump-specific risks with him. It's really not an equivalence except in this one matter of age.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,626
    Leon said:

    You have quite low climatic standards but I admire your ability to go out in a tee shirt at 13-14C


    If the sun is out and there is not much wind 13 deg C is pleasant enough in a T-shirt.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,838
    nico679 said:

    The spineless gimp is still lying .

    Hester did not apologize for his racist comments .
    Who was sitting on the story since 2019? They can't have thought it was particularly urgent to bring it to anyone's attention.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,805
    Nigelb said:

    A relief to all after yesterday's Farage header.
    Yes, I didn't enjoy that.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,723
    kinabalu said:

    Yep. The risk with Biden is he won't be able to complete a term. This would need to be managed. There's that same risk with Trump (albeit less likely to be managed) and then there's umpteen other Trump-specific risks with him. It's really not an equivalence except in this one matter of age.
    It's pretty clear who Biden's VP will be.
    Which weirdo will Trump pick ?
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,780
    kinabalu said:

    Yep. The risk with Biden is he won't be able to complete a term. This would need to be managed. There's that same risk with Trump (albeit less likely to be managed) and then there's umpteen other Trump-specific risks with him. It's really not an equivalence except in this one matter of age.
    The risk with Trump is that he will be able to complete a term.
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,591

    OK, Deltapoll does bounce like a bouncy thing, but my guess is that it's the Rochdale failure fading from public consciousness.
    Hestergate and putative Morduant coup more likely drivers of this movement I think
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,838
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  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,784

    Not entirely sure how you would know what the weather is like in the UK winter as you are never actually here.
    But I have to say it has been notably grey and wet this winter. But as I type this a ray of sunshine bursts through and illuminates the ancient stone work of my University building (surely shitty old concrete blocks? - Ed) and there is hope for the future. Despite the grey and the rain, the plants are cracking on. Rhododendrons coming out at Heavens Gate, daffodils looking superb and the first signs of my tulips cresting free of their green shells.
    I hate grey sunless British weather so much I think it can affect my mood even if I’m only reading about it, in distant parts

    For the purposes of clarity, I should add that this is entirely untrue, and a total lie; seeing the weather forecast in GB just makes me appreciate my present weather all the more

    Buenas Dias! I’m having more yellow dragon fruit. I am a complete convert. Fabulous for breakfast with a Diet Coke and a Tramadol


  • 148grss148grss Posts: 4,155
    Scott_xP said:

    @theipaper

    Opinion | Even Rishi’s ring-binder can’t stop the Tory death spiral

    Emotional intelligence is the missing ingredient in the Sunak mix and it is coming to dominate everything, as both voters and MPs ask whether the PM really gets it, writes
    @KateEMcCann

    https://t.co/yDwgIOZrnE

    I don't even put this down to emotional intelligence. If he was willing to propose and enact policies that would actually help people, still being the feckless wet hen he is, I think people would cut him more slack. The issue is that no politician seems up for proposing things people like and know will help them - which would be more government spending on services and increased taxes on those with high levels of wealth and income, alongside sensible regulation to counter the inflation we have seen in the last 6 months. People aren't stupid - they see their electric and gas bills increase at the same time headlines cry how much profit these companies are making. People see their Council Tax go up and local services and roads crumble. They just want things to be less shit.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,114
    148grss said:

    They just want things to be less shit.

    Which is why Starmer is heading for a landslide
  • 148grss148grss Posts: 4,155
    Nigelb said:

    It's pretty clear who Biden's VP will be.
    Which weirdo will Trump pick ?
    My money is on Kari Lake - failed Arizona governor and senate candidate who is a Big Lie truther. Used to be on TV, very photogenic, part of the cult and is charismatic enough (if completely insane). She's a woman, which Trump will like, and she's a fighter.

    I was watching a youtuber I like do an undercover expose of CPAC from this year... if Trump wins then the US is going to go full Christo-fascist. Very scary imo.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,114
    @PippaCrerar
    Not exactly the most ringing endorsement for Rishi Sunak from his former defence secretary, Ben Wallace, on @TimesRadio this morning 👇

    "Whether colleagues are happy with him or not, it's too late, right. Get on with it."

    @IanDunt

    They should make that the election slogan. "It's too late. Just get on with it."
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    OK, Deltapoll does bounce like a bouncy thing, but my guess is that it's the Rochdale failure fading from public consciousness.
    Was it ever in the public consciousness? Most people have probably never heard of Rochdale, never mind the Rochdale By-election.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,385
    Donkeys said:

    I was joking! It's obvious that standards of living in Russia haven't increased by 10% each year for 25 years.
    It's almost like Russia benefited massively from the commodities boom of the last quarter century.

    With that said, Outside Moscow and St.Petersburg, there's very little evidence of prosperity in Russia. Most of rural, and small city, Russia is dirt poor, with little commerce, and few prospects. Much of the country still has dirt tracks rather than paved roads.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,678

    Greens like BJO loathe Labour, however.
    Nothing "green" about some of these so-called Greens.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,780
    Scott_xP said:

    @DeltapollUK
    🚨New Voting Intention🚨
    Labour lead increases to twenty-three points in our latest results.
    Con 23% (-4)
    Lab 46% (+2)
    Lib Dem 9% (-1)
    Reform 12% (+1)
    SNP 2% (-)
    Green 5% (+1)
    Other 3% (+1)
    Fieldwork: 15th-18th March 2024
    Sample: 2,072 GB adults
    (Changes from 8th-11th March 2024)

    Up to this point Deltapoll hadn't been one of those companies which tended to produce the largest Labour leads.
  • 148grss148grss Posts: 4,155
    Scott_xP said:

    Which is why Starmer is heading for a landslide
    I agree. I just think people won't give Starmer very long before they expect things to be less shit, and nothing Starmer is currently proposing seems to be aimed at making life less shit - so I expect both a Labour landslide in the next GE and then mass dissatisfaction with them in a year or so.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,784
    148grss said:

    I don't even put this down to emotional intelligence. If he was willing to propose and enact policies that would actually help people, still being the feckless wet hen he is, I think people would cut him more slack. The issue is that no politician seems up for proposing things people like and know will help them - which would be more government spending on services and increased taxes on those with high levels of wealth and income, alongside sensible regulation to counter the inflation we have seen in the last 6 months. People aren't stupid - they see their electric and gas bills increase at the same time headlines cry how much profit these companies are making. People see their Council Tax go up and local services and roads crumble. They just want things to be less shit.
    Trouble is, taxes are already high

    If you increase taxes on the wealthy they will just fuck off abroad - like me. So many jobs can now be done remotely - and thanks to digital nomad visas other countries are making it highly feasible to move to sunnier climes with much lower tax rates. Ok these new places will have less fascinating cultural diversity and fewer menacing pro Palestinian rallies and you’ve got to put up with nightlife that actually goes on after 11pm but nothing is perfect
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    Ever wondered if you are living in a computer simulation? Preferring a computerised report of the weather to an actual human observer may just be the first step.
    Leon spamming the site about the weather in England when he is many thousands of miles away from England is akin to that enduring PB classic 'guess Boris' weight' in the thrill stakes.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,322
    Nigelb said:

    When was the last time a party refused the nomination to a sitting President who wanted to run ?
    And the GOP is now a cult.

    The only way you didn't get this outcome would have been Hillary beating Trump the first time round.
    If only she'd beaten Obama in 2008, the world would be in a much better place now.

    (Or possibly a post apocalyptic wasteland).
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,319
    Nigelb said:

    It's pretty clear who Biden's VP will be.
    Which weirdo will Trump pick ?
    Kristi Noem is slavishly loyal to Trump personally and MAGA in general and has the look DJT likes (50% real estate sales reptile, 50% retired pole dancer)
    Ditto Elise Stefanik but apparently her surname is "too ethnic" for Trump.
    Tim Scott would probably make the most sense electorally but might be a bit too personally ambitious and a bit too personally black for Trump.

    It's hard to see past those three, but who the fuck knows. I think if Trump had his way and took no notice of his advisors it would be Ivanka.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,805

    The risk with Trump is that he will be able to complete a term.
    Indeed. There's risk every which way with Trump2. And if he loses but it's close.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,838
    148grss said:

    I agree. I just think people won't give Starmer very long before they expect things to be less shit, and nothing Starmer is currently proposing seems to be aimed at making life less shit - so I expect both a Labour landslide in the next GE and then mass dissatisfaction with them in a year or so.
    Opinion poll October 2025:

    Reform: 28%
    Labour: 24%
    Lib Dem: 16%
    Conservative: 15%
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,784

    Leon spamming the site about the weather in England when he is many thousands of miles away from England is akin to that enduring PB classic 'guess Boris' weight' in the thrill stakes.
    No. I’d say it’s about as entertaining as you telling us the virtues of the cashless society. Again
  • Leon said:

    You have quite low climatic standards but I admire your ability to go out in a tee shirt at 13-14C


    It's been bright sunshine here all day, 15 miles or so east of Leeds. I was out at dinner time in my t-shirt for a half hour walk. Lovely to feel the sun on my skin. About time like.
  • 148grss148grss Posts: 4,155
    Leon said:

    Trouble is, taxes are already high

    If you increase taxes on the wealthy they will just fuck off abroad - like me. So many jobs can now be done remotely - and thanks to digital nomad visas other countries are making it highly feasible to move to sunnier climes with much lower tax rates. Ok these new places will have less fascinating cultural diversity and fewer menacing pro Palestinian rallies and you’ve got to put up with nightlife that actually goes on after 11pm but nothing is perfect
    Taxes on high incomes are not that high, especially for those marginal few making millions a year. And for those people, yes they can go abroad if they wish, but they almost certainly won't wish because they work here and London is the cultural capital of the English speaking world.

    As well as that we could do some innovative wealth taxes - land value taxes, taxes on second and third homes, taxes on certain trading practices that magic money out of 1s and 0s, etc. At the end of the day money needs to move more efficiently than it currently is, and rich people are sitting on money and assets rather than spending it in the economy. If you give poorer people money, they'll spend - which in many instances will grow the economy without causing inflation (the recent bout of inflation being caused by supply chain issues rather than too much cash being in the economy). Manage that, and you'll get what every capitalist should supposedly want - happy workers and a good market. It will just lower some top level profits somewhat.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,815
    Leon said:

    I hate grey sunless British weather so much I think it can affect my mood even if I’m only reading about it, in distant parts

    For the purposes of clarity, I should add that this is entirely untrue, and a total lie; seeing the weather forecast in GB just makes me appreciate my present weather all the more

    Buenas Dias! I’m having more yellow dragon fruit. I am a complete convert. Fabulous for breakfast with a Diet Coke and a Tramadol


    Buenos Dias indeed!
    Blue skies and harmless fluffy clouds in Manchester right now.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,784
    edited March 2024
    rcs1000 said:

    It's almost like Russia benefited massively from the commodities boom of the last quarter century.

    With that said, Outside Moscow and St.Petersburg, there's very little evidence of prosperity in Russia. Most of rural, and small city, Russia is dirt poor, with little commerce, and few prospects. Much of the country still has dirt tracks rather than paved roads.
    Hmmmm

    Not sure that’s completely true

    Russia is vast and varied. There are definitely huge regions which are shockingly poor

    But also unexpected areas of prosperity - the commodity rich north or the pacific coast or down south around the Black Sea - they can be rather nice
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,784
    Cookie said:

    Buenos Dias indeed!
    Blue skies and harmless fluffy clouds in Manchester right now.

    That’s better. Thankyou

    I don’t actually WANT my fellow Brits to be immersed in grey murk for ever and ever
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    148grss said:

    I agree. I just think people won't give Starmer very long before they expect things to be less shit, and nothing Starmer is currently proposing seems to be aimed at making life less shit - so I expect both a Labour landslide in the next GE and then mass dissatisfaction with them in a year or so.
    The PB Tory-Lefties seem to swing daily from:

    • SKS is a Red Tory who will change nothing at all
    • SKS is a closet socialist revolutionary who has a secret plan to launch a state-mandated kleptocracy after two years in power
    • SKS an incompetent but lucky general who will preside over chaos and be hated within 12 months of power
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Leon said:

    No. I’d say it’s about as entertaining as you telling us the virtues of the cashless society. Again
    When did I last bring it up?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,768

    You believe the story about the photograph? I certainly have my doubts, and I am not
    one to go into conspiracy theories.

    Of course it may just be health issues, but if
    she currently looks as good as she did in
    the photo, then why isn't she back at work?
    She looked amazing.
    My guess is that she has something - like a stoma - that she is embarrassed by. In an ideal world she might be like Charles and cancer and use it as a “teachable moment” but you can’t force her to

    The mistake was faking a photo.

    I stress this is just speculation

  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Leon said:

    Trouble is, taxes are already high

    If you increase taxes on the wealthy they will just fuck off abroad - like me. So many jobs can now be done remotely - and thanks to digital nomad visas other countries are making it highly feasible to move to sunnier climes with much lower tax rates. Ok these new places will have less fascinating cultural diversity and fewer menacing pro Palestinian rallies and you’ve got to put up with nightlife that actually goes on after 11pm but nothing is perfect
    I was in Hackney on Saturday. The pub we were in closed at 12pm, so we walked up the road (ten minutes) to another pub that was playing pounding music until 2am.

    You are out of touch.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,385
    Leon said:

    Hmmmm

    Not sure that’s completely true

    Russia is vast and varied. There are definitely huge regions which are shockingly poor

    But also unexpected areas of prosperity - the commodity rich north or the pacific coast or down south around the Black Sea - they can be rather nice
    Sure, there are little islands of prosperity. But most of Russia makes Albania look prosperous.

    One of the fascinating things I learned early on in the Ukraine war, was that many Russian conscripts were shocked at how wealthy Ukraine felt, and how that was completely at odds with what they'd been told.

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