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Mr. Hopkins, it's despicable behaviour.
Mildly surprised the Conservatives themselves have gone for a Putin/Klass Vs Cameron/Miliband comparison, but it might work.
Mocking Miliband is in danger of becoming a popular pastime. Imagine him facing up to ISIS, the Ukraine situation, a belligerent China sending tanks to Hong Kong and so on. Contemplating that sort of scenario will not make people likelier to vote Miliband.0 -
Mr Dancer. How has Cameron stood up to Putin? Putin's supporters still control parts of Ukraine.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Hopkins, it's despicable behaviour.
Mildly surprised the Conservatives themselves have gone for a Putin/Klass Vs Cameron/Miliband comparison, but it might work.
Mocking Miliband is in danger of becoming a popular pastime. Imagine him facing up to ISIS, the Ukraine situation, a belligerent China sending tanks to Hong Kong and so on. Contemplating that sort of scenario will not make people likelier to vote Miliband.0 -
I don't think it a story. But I think tax avoidance is perfectly legitimate. I was just curious as to how it might have worked hence my questions to you.RodCrosby said:
You're welcome. I think it's a non-story. What say you?Cyclefree said:
So they took a precautionary step which could have saved them £60,000 if their mother had died soon after.RodCrosby said:@Cyclefree
Yes, the NRB was used to pass on 40% shares in the house to the sons [20% each]. We can deduce that this was to the value of the 1994 NRB of £150k.
The only benefit was notional. If Mrs Miliband had died not long after Ralph, the entire estate would have been IHT taxable with the benefit of only one NRB (hers) to set off against it. So, had that eventuated, the DOV would have saved them £150k * 40% = £60k by making use, as it did, of Ralph's NRB.
But Mrs M is still alive and well, so there is as yet, still no benefit. The Finance Act 2009 also made redundant the benefit of such will-writing (either ante or post-mortem), since now widow/ers can make use of a deceased spouse's unused NRB.
So the Milibands gained no tax saving (except hypothetical) either in 1994 or since, and still may not upon their mother's death, as she has had 20 years to think of other ways to mitigate any tax due on her death...
Thank you for the explanation.
It risks becoming a story if Ed makes a big point of talking about higher taxes on the rich and others point out the possible hypocrisy of his stance. All Labour leaders are vulnerable to that charge - unless you're of the Blair/Mandelson ilk. And Labour themselves have laid the groundwork for it by talking about tax cuts for Cameron's friends and asking how much he benefited from IHT changes. So they shouldn't complain if the same is done to them.0 -
Could the Tories make gains in Scotland next year?0
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Last week went to a sort of fringe event at Essex University. The speaker, talking on a biological subject and, from remarks elsewhere clearly left of centre prefaced his talk with some comment as “I’m not doing an Ed Milliband, I'll use notes!"Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Hopkins, it's despicable behaviour.
Mildly surprised the Conservatives themselves have gone for a Putin/Klass Vs Cameron/Miliband comparison, but it might work.
Mocking Miliband is in danger of becoming a popular pastime. Imagine him facing up to ISIS, the Ukraine situation, a belligerent China sending tanks to Hong Kong and so on. Contemplating that sort of scenario will not make people likelier to vote Miliband.0 -
I'd imagine our strategic NATO/US positions would be virtually identical under Cameron or Miliband when push comes to shove on potential flashpoints such as those. Neither Dave nor Ed will be president of the USA or the chief of NATO which are the only two military-political positions that ultimately matter in the western world.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Hopkins, it's despicable behaviour.
Mildly surprised the Conservatives themselves have gone for a Putin/Klass Vs Cameron/Miliband comparison, but it might work.
Mocking Miliband is in danger of becoming a popular pastime. Imagine him facing up to ISIS, the Ukraine situation, a belligerent China sending tanks to Hong Kong and so on. Contemplating that sort of scenario will not make people likelier to vote Miliband.0 -
Exactly.edmundintokyo said:
Is it just me or does this ad demand the response, "Neither, they're both about as useful as a chocolate teapot"? I mean, David Cameron's "confrontation" seems to consist of standing there looking uncomfortable, and Putin's response to it seems to have been to send a bunch more tanks into Ukraine, something which everybody knows Cameron is neither ready, willing or able to do anything about. Then you imagine Ed Miliband in the same situation, and maybe he'd blink at him or something, resulting in exactly the same outcome.TheScreamingEagles said:Blinking hell, the Tories have used the Ed Miliband/Myleene Klass thing in their latest attack on Ed.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2u_XMsCUAA3XX-.jpg
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Dr. Prasannan, to be factual, I believe Cameron's got a harder line with sanctions than the rather soft Germans.
But that's not what I meant. It's about how people come across, the image they project. Miliband's problem is that it's bloody awkward, and occasionally worthy of mockery [I do sympathise with him. As I've mentioned before, I photograph almost as badly, albeit as a psychopath rather than a berk].0 -
As has been pointed out multiple times HMRC (and thus the government) have clear definitions of what tax planning, tax avoidance and tax evasion are.TOPPING said:
Thing is...
...Lab have gone off full steam on conflating tax avoidance and evasion and have talked about "aggressive" tax avoidance (what that? @RodCrosby?) and so the General Public can hardly be blamed if they fail to distinguish between, say, multi-nationals tax resident in Luxembourg and Ed's DOV.
It's not Labour that are conflating tax planning with tax avoidance, it's morons who want to conflate ISAs with complicated multi-entity offshore schemes in an effort to criticise Ed/Labour that are doing the conflation.0 -
Nah. I'm on EdM as next PM on Betfair @ ~2.7, only for a hundred quid or so.Pulpstar said:
Well I don't play for those stakes but they took 1% of that.Pong said:
Probably worth checking the max bet before uploading £15k to your skybet account...Pulpstar said:
Sky Bet are 1-5 on this.antifrank said:It looks like one potential payer of the mansion tax is looking to hedge his position:
Ladbrokes Politics @LadPolitics · 47 secs47 seconds ago
One Ladbrokes customer has just had £15,000 at 1/8 for Ed Miliband to remain as Labour leader until next election.
Are you on ?
I can't be arsed faffing around, tying up money with bookies on odds on favourites this far out. I'll get the same return as the 1/5 bet by laying off ^ at 2.36, which I may do shortly.0 -
Plato said:
*dirty laugh*
Scott_P said:Ha!
@Conservatives: RT if you know who you'd trust to secure Britain's future. http://t.co/LyWKSy9okI
On these extra special occasions I always think of Mutleys laugh the dog of "dirty" Dick Dastardly of whacky races. Nothing else quite sums it up really?
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It's funny, when I heard that people were being sent in to investigate Tower Hamlets my first thought was 'I hope they get bodyguards'.MarkHopkins said:isam said:
Referring to the people in charge of investigating the dealings of Lutfur Rahmn, Mayor of Tower Hamlets...MarkHopkins said:
What did he do/say?isam said:Just seen the Ken Livingstone nonsense on Daily Politics.. what a contemptible man he is
"To a crowd of about 1,000 people, Mr Livingstone said the commissioners should be "ashamed of themselves" if they take the job.
He added: "When these commissioners turn up, find out where they live and then have a peaceful demonstration outside their homes so their neighbours know that these are the type of people that turn out and overturn a democratically elected mayor.
"Make their lives intolerable. Fight them, expose them, make sure everybody knows what they're doing."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-30042624
That kind of intimidation ought to be illegal (if it isn't already).
They will inquestionably be on the receiving end of intimidation. It's the nature of the beast in the Islamic Republic of TH.0 -
Yes, they could easily make 100% gains and possibly make 200% gains.KentRising said:Could the Tories make gains in Scotland next year?
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It also opens the door for UKIP to point out the scale of defence cuts under this government.Pulpstar said:
I'd imagine our strategic NATO/US positions would be virtually identical under Cameron or Miliband when push comes to shove on potential flashpoints such as those. Neither Dave nor Ed will be president of the USA or the chief of NATO which are the only two military-political positions that ultimately matter in the western world.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Hopkins, it's despicable behaviour.
Mildly surprised the Conservatives themselves have gone for a Putin/Klass Vs Cameron/Miliband comparison, but it might work.
Mocking Miliband is in danger of becoming a popular pastime. Imagine him facing up to ISIS, the Ukraine situation, a belligerent China sending tanks to Hong Kong and so on. Contemplating that sort of scenario will not make people likelier to vote Miliband.0 -
I'm very surprised that Opinium conducted a poll so early (it usually does polls for the Observer every 2 weeks), I'm more surprised that it shows a massive collapse of the LD's in favour of the Tories.
I thought that the LD decline would follow the usual gradual pattern of scattering to all directions.
Nevertheless, 5% is where UNS catches up with the LD's, if they score 5% or less then they will get less than 10 seats.
I expect Nick Clegg not to be re-elected in his seat if they get 5% or less, especially if the collapse is towards the Tories.0 -
Where will these gains come, do we think?Alistair said:
Yes, they could easily make 100% gains and possibly make 200% gains.KentRising said:Could the Tories make gains in Scotland next year?
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Possibly 1 or 2 in the borders/Edinburgh.KentRising said:Could the Tories make gains in Scotland next year?
As the English invade and gentrify the voting patterns will change.
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Question....
Is Myleen Klass the leader of the "sinister cabal of powerful interests" that POEWAS reckons are out to get him?
If not then who? Or is it Whom?.0 -
Alistair said:
As has been pointed out multiple times HMRC (and thus the government) have clear definitions of what tax planning, tax avoidance and tax evasion are.TOPPING said:
Thing is...
...Lab have gone off full steam on conflating tax avoidance and evasion and have talked about "aggressive" tax avoidance (what that? @RodCrosby?) and so the General Public can hardly be blamed if they fail to distinguish between, say, multi-nationals tax resident in Luxembourg and Ed's DOV.
It's not Labour that are conflating tax planning with tax avoidance, it's morons who want to conflate ISAs with complicated multi-entity offshore schemes in an effort to criticise Ed/Labour that are doing the conflation.
Sadly I have to agree with you. I don't support EdM, of course. Osborne has regularly said the same and money has been set aside to fight the abuse of people taking the rest of us for a ride.0 -
Roxburgh is number 1 on my list of possibles.KentRising said:
Where will these gains come, do we think?Alistair said:
Yes, they could easily make 100% gains and possibly make 200% gains.KentRising said:Could the Tories make gains in Scotland next year?
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Myleene Klass, - (must admit, not a person I was overly familiar with until today) appears to have upset quite a few on twitter after her altercation with Ed last night - she now appears to be getting the same treatment normally reserved for Rupert Murdoch and child rapists.
well done...
https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=myleene klass&src=typd
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Since Britain doesn't have any overseas territories that have a land border (apart from Gibraltar) then it doesn't need an land army, only a navy and an airforce.DecrepitJohnL said:
It also opens the door for UKIP to point out the scale of defence cuts under this government.Pulpstar said:
I'd imagine our strategic NATO/US positions would be virtually identical under Cameron or Miliband when push comes to shove on potential flashpoints such as those. Neither Dave nor Ed will be president of the USA or the chief of NATO which are the only two military-political positions that ultimately matter in the western world.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Hopkins, it's despicable behaviour.
Mildly surprised the Conservatives themselves have gone for a Putin/Klass Vs Cameron/Miliband comparison, but it might work.
Mocking Miliband is in danger of becoming a popular pastime. Imagine him facing up to ISIS, the Ukraine situation, a belligerent China sending tanks to Hong Kong and so on. Contemplating that sort of scenario will not make people likelier to vote Miliband.0 -
Whoa !! ed strikes back ( after a day thinking about it)
"Ed Miliband has hit back at Myleene Klass after she launched a stinging attack on the mansion tax.
In a sarcastic reference to Miss Klass’s most successful pop hit with her former band ‘Hear'Say,’ Mr Miliband said it was “Pure and Simple” that “our NHS needs a mansion tax."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11238204/Mansion-tax-is-Pure-and-Simple-Ed-Miliband-hits-back-at-Myleene-Klass.html
All back on the bus. Strike that up for a win for Ed. Now for that little wimp Putin.
Churchill once said his best comeback lines were thought of days before hand.
.......with Ed its days after.
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KentRising said:
It's funny, when I heard that people were being sent in to investigate Tower Hamlets my first thought was 'I hope they get bodyguards'.MarkHopkins said:isam said:
Referring to the people in charge of investigating the dealings of Lutfur Rahmn, Mayor of Tower Hamlets...MarkHopkins said:
What did he do/say?isam said:Just seen the Ken Livingstone nonsense on Daily Politics.. what a contemptible man he is
"To a crowd of about 1,000 people, Mr Livingstone said the commissioners should be "ashamed of themselves" if they take the job.
He added: "When these commissioners turn up, find out where they live and then have a peaceful demonstration outside their homes so their neighbours know that these are the type of people that turn out and overturn a democratically elected mayor.
"Make their lives intolerable. Fight them, expose them, make sure everybody knows what they're doing."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-30042624
That kind of intimidation ought to be illegal (if it isn't already).
They will inquestionably be on the receiving end of intimidation. It's the nature of the beast in the Islamic Republic of TH.
Amusing though the thought may be, Kent, I can't let that pass, even if only because there might be one idiot out there who thinks there is some truth in it.KentRising said:
It's funny, when I heard that people were being sent in to investigate Tower Hamlets my first thought was 'I hope they get bodyguards'.MarkHopkins said:isam said:
Referring to the people in charge of investigating the dealings of Lutfur Rahmn, Mayor of Tower Hamlets...MarkHopkins said:
What did he do/say?isam said:Just seen the Ken Livingstone nonsense on Daily Politics.. what a contemptible man he is
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-30042624
That kind of intimidation ought to be illegal (if it isn't already).
They will inquestionably be on the receiving end of intimidation. It's the nature of the beast in the Islamic Republic of TH.
I was born and brought up nearby, live a few miles down the road and visit the area regularly. You have to take sensible precautions, as you would in most inner City areas, but Aleppo it certainly is not.
Happy to take you for a drink in the Crown if you disagree.
http://www.viewlondon.co.uk/pubsandbars/the-crown-review-29182.html0 -
It's one poll and the movement within the poll is significant but it could of course be an outlier though I imagine all the Tory-inclined will paint it as the unvarnished truth. Let's see where we are with other polls.Speedy said:I'm very surprised that Opinium conducted a poll so early (it usually does polls for the Observer every 2 weeks), I'm more surprised that it shows a massive collapse of the LD's in favour of the Tories.
I thought that the LD decline would follow the usual gradual pattern of scattering to all directions.
Nevertheless, 5% is where UNS catches up with the LD's, if they score 5% or less then they will get less than 10 seats.
I expect Nick Clegg not to be re-elected in his seat if they get 5% or less, especially if the collapse is towards the Tories.
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I have assumed that the mansion tax would be politically popular. It is just the same old politics of envy in line with past socialists that believed in 98% income tax for high earners. A shame that we have so many socialists in Labour and the Lib Dems. Back to the 1970s..0
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If the Lib Dems are at 5%, uniform national swing simply does not work (and the Lib Dems could expect to get fewer seats than uniform national swing would predict, not more).stodge said:
It's one poll and the movement within the poll is significant but it could of course be an outlier though I imagine all the Tory-inclined will paint it as the unvarnished truth. Let's see where we are with other polls.Speedy said:I'm very surprised that Opinium conducted a poll so early (it usually does polls for the Observer every 2 weeks), I'm more surprised that it shows a massive collapse of the LD's in favour of the Tories.
I thought that the LD decline would follow the usual gradual pattern of scattering to all directions.
Nevertheless, 5% is where UNS catches up with the LD's, if they score 5% or less then they will get less than 10 seats.
I expect Nick Clegg not to be re-elected in his seat if they get 5% or less, especially if the collapse is towards the Tories.0 -
Yes, that would make sense.Alistair said:
Roxburgh is number 1 on my list of possibles.KentRising said:
Where will these gains come, do we think?Alistair said:
Yes, they could easily make 100% gains and possibly make 200% gains.KentRising said:Could the Tories make gains in Scotland next year?
TGOHF - not sure about Edinburgh. I think the only seat there where the Tories were second last time was Edinburgh South West - and that's Darling's seat.
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True, it could be an outlier.stodge said:
It's one poll and the movement within the poll is significant but it could of course be an outlier though I imagine all the Tory-inclined will paint it as the unvarnished truth. Let's see where we are with other polls.Speedy said:I'm very surprised that Opinium conducted a poll so early (it usually does polls for the Observer every 2 weeks), I'm more surprised that it shows a massive collapse of the LD's in favour of the Tories.
I thought that the LD decline would follow the usual gradual pattern of scattering to all directions.
Nevertheless, 5% is where UNS catches up with the LD's, if they score 5% or less then they will get less than 10 seats.
I expect Nick Clegg not to be re-elected in his seat if they get 5% or less, especially if the collapse is towards the Tories.
TSE though would be in a dilemma, if this poll is true then Clegg would lose Sheffield Hallam, if it's an outlier then the Tories are not in the lead with Opinium, a difficult choice for him.0 -
Gets worse and to think the left refer to the Tories as the nasty party.SimonStClare said:Myleene Klass, - (must admit, not a person I was overly familiar with until today) appears to have upset quite a few on twitter after her altercation with Ed last night - she now appears to be getting the same treatment normally reserved for Rupert Murdoch and child rapists.
well done...
https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=myleene klass&src=typd
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I think pollsters should ask the "in your constituency" question, even for national polling. Because "in your constituency" tends to show considerable Lib Dem upticks. I think it would lead to more accurate national polls.antifrank said:
If the Lib Dems are at 5%, uniform national swing simply does not work (and the Lib Dems could expect to get fewer seats than uniform national swing would predict, not more).stodge said:
It's one poll and the movement within the poll is significant but it could of course be an outlier though I imagine all the Tory-inclined will paint it as the unvarnished truth. Let's see where we are with other polls.Speedy said:I'm very surprised that Opinium conducted a poll so early (it usually does polls for the Observer every 2 weeks), I'm more surprised that it shows a massive collapse of the LD's in favour of the Tories.
I thought that the LD decline would follow the usual gradual pattern of scattering to all directions.
Nevertheless, 5% is where UNS catches up with the LD's, if they score 5% or less then they will get less than 10 seats.
I expect Nick Clegg not to be re-elected in his seat if they get 5% or less, especially if the collapse is towards the Tories.0 -
I agree completely, for the reasons put in my post yesterday evening:Pulpstar said:
I think pollsters should ask the "in your constituency" question, even for national polling. Because "in your constituency" tends to show considerable Lib Dem upticks. I think it would lead to more accurate national polls.antifrank said:
If the Lib Dems are at 5%, uniform national swing simply does not work (and the Lib Dems could expect to get fewer seats than uniform national swing would predict, not more).stodge said:
It's one poll and the movement within the poll is significant but it could of course be an outlier though I imagine all the Tory-inclined will paint it as the unvarnished truth. Let's see where we are with other polls.Speedy said:I'm very surprised that Opinium conducted a poll so early (it usually does polls for the Observer every 2 weeks), I'm more surprised that it shows a massive collapse of the LD's in favour of the Tories.
I thought that the LD decline would follow the usual gradual pattern of scattering to all directions.
Nevertheless, 5% is where UNS catches up with the LD's, if they score 5% or less then they will get less than 10 seats.
I expect Nick Clegg not to be re-elected in his seat if they get 5% or less, especially if the collapse is towards the Tories.
http://newstonoone.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/reading-entrails-few-polling.html0 -
Darling isn't standing.KentRising said:
Yes, that would make sense.Alistair said:
Roxburgh is number 1 on my list of possibles.KentRising said:
Where will these gains come, do we think?Alistair said:
Yes, they could easily make 100% gains and possibly make 200% gains.KentRising said:Could the Tories make gains in Scotland next year?
TGOHF - not sure about Edinburgh. I think the only seat there where the Tories were second last time was Edinburgh South West - and that's Darling's seat.0 -
@peter_the_Punter
Sorry, Peter, I was not claiming Tower Hamlets as worse than any other area of London in terms of crime etc, merely that it's politics is - to say the least - dodgy. The mayor has cronies with a siege mentality.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/04/an-afternoon-on-the-stump-with-lutfur-rahman/0 -
Where these the magic invisible tanks Russia has developed, incapable of being seen by satellites again?edmundintokyo said:
Is it just me or does this ad demand the response, "Neither, they're both about as useful as a chocolate teapot"? I mean, David Cameron's "confrontation" seems to consist of standing there looking uncomfortable, and Putin's response to it seems to have been to send a bunch more tanks into Ukraine, something which everybody knows Cameron is neither ready, willing or able to do anything about. Then you imagine Ed Miliband in the same situation, and maybe he'd blink at him or something, resulting in exactly the same outcome.TheScreamingEagles said:Blinking hell, the Tories have used the Ed Miliband/Myleene Klass thing in their latest attack on Ed.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2u_XMsCUAA3XX-.jpg
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/17/putin-claims-west-provoking-russia-new-cold-war-spies-deported
http://armamentresearch.com/Uploads/Research Report No. 3 - Raising Red Flags.pdf
Milliband stood up to the Americans over Syria whereas Cameron has consistently sacrificed our interests to the Americans, cheerleading wars in Iraq, Libya and Syria as well as US efforts to destabilise the Ukraine and isolate Russia.
I am surprised Miliband hasn't played his hand on the Syria vote better, its been the one real redeeming feature of his time as Labour leader.0 -
Sorry, Alistair - and TGHOF - that fact completely passed me by.Alistair said:
Darling isn't standing.KentRising said:
Yes, that would make sense.Alistair said:
Roxburgh is number 1 on my list of possibles.KentRising said:
Where will these gains come, do we think?Alistair said:
Yes, they could easily make 100% gains and possibly make 200% gains.KentRising said:Could the Tories make gains in Scotland next year?
TGOHF - not sure about Edinburgh. I think the only seat there where the Tories were second last time was Edinburgh South West - and that's Darling's seat.0 -
Voodoo poll but what the hell
Ukip to win Rochester by FIFTY points
http://www.maidstoneandmedwaynews.co.uk/xx/story-24552581-detail/story.html0 -
Then you are a very very silly little boyLuckyguy1983 said:
I like the fact that people are replying saying Putin and Klass:Plato said:*dirty laugh*
Scott_P said:Ha!
@Conservatives: RT if you know who you'd trust to secure Britain's future. http://t.co/LyWKSy9okI
Nick @Nick_d_Williams 53m53 minutes ago
Of the four pictured here I'd rather have Putin and Klass running things than either Call me Dave or Beaker! @Conservatives
The average life expectancy for men in Russia is 65
25% of men die before 55.
Most of these deaths are down to alcohol. And most of these drinkers are smokers.
You you really want Putin to run the UK?
Russia is evaporating away and its major source of revenue has seen its price fall by getting on for 30% in just a few months.
Falling energy revenue, shrinking & ailing population, smaller workforce, fewer consumers. You add it up. Hmm... kippers can't add up - no wonder Putin is their hero.0 -
Northern Ireland?Speedy said:
Since Britain doesn't have any overseas territories that have a land border (apart from Gibraltar) then it doesn't need an land army, only a navy and an airforce.DecrepitJohnL said:
It also opens the door for UKIP to point out the scale of defence cuts under this government.Pulpstar said:
I'd imagine our strategic NATO/US positions would be virtually identical under Cameron or Miliband when push comes to shove on potential flashpoints such as those. Neither Dave nor Ed will be president of the USA or the chief of NATO which are the only two military-political positions that ultimately matter in the western world.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Hopkins, it's despicable behaviour.
Mildly surprised the Conservatives themselves have gone for a Putin/Klass Vs Cameron/Miliband comparison, but it might work.
Mocking Miliband is in danger of becoming a popular pastime. Imagine him facing up to ISIS, the Ukraine situation, a belligerent China sending tanks to Hong Kong and so on. Contemplating that sort of scenario will not make people likelier to vote Miliband.
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myleene really was stupid last night comparing water to a £2m pad as were the people tweeting she won the argument.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/millionaire-myleene-klass-blasted-being-4646847
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I wouldn't even class it as avoidance. Ralph M simply forgot to make use of an allowance that was his by right, and that error was rectified by the DOV.Cyclefree said:
I don't think it a story. But I think tax avoidance is perfectly legitimate. I was just curious as to how it might have worked hence my questions to you.
It risks becoming a story if Ed makes a big point of talking about higher taxes on the rich and others point out the possible hypocrisy of his stance. All Labour leaders are vulnerable to that charge - unless you're of the Blair/Mandelson ilk. And Labour themselves have laid the groundwork for it by talking about tax cuts for Cameron's friends and asking how much he benefited from IHT changes. So they shouldn't complain if the same is done to them.
These were the kind of gotchas which make IHT such a pernicious tax (although that particular one was removed in 2009).
It falls mostly on the unworldy, the confused, the ill, and the secretive who are fearful of solicitors and their bills...
We were, at one time, potentially on the hook for around £250k but thankfully the final bill was zero.0 -
I won't be putting the house on the Lib Dems saving their deposit on the strength of this particular survey of public opinion.isam said:Voodoo poll but what the hell
Ukip to win Rochester by FIFTY points
http://www.maidstoneandmedwaynews.co.uk/xx/story-24552581-detail/story.html0 -
The more outlandish question - at least until very recently - is "Could the Tories have more Scottish MPs than Labour next year?"KentRising said:Could the Tories make gains in Scotland next year?
QTWTAI- P- N. But it is a good way to make Labour realise the depths to which they have sunk in their Fiefdom.
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He was invited to the US shortly afterward, who no doubt put him in the picture as to what was expected.FalseFlag said:
Where these the magic invisible tanks Russia has developed, incapable of being seen by satellites again?edmundintokyo said:
Is it just me or does this ad demand the response, "Neither, they're both about as useful as a chocolate teapot"? I mean, David Cameron's "confrontation" seems to consist of standing there looking uncomfortable, and Putin's response to it seems to have been to send a bunch more tanks into Ukraine, something which everybody knows Cameron is neither ready, willing or able to do anything about. Then you imagine Ed Miliband in the same situation, and maybe he'd blink at him or something, resulting in exactly the same outcome.TheScreamingEagles said:Blinking hell, the Tories have used the Ed Miliband/Myleene Klass thing in their latest attack on Ed.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2u_XMsCUAA3XX-.jpg
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/17/putin-claims-west-provoking-russia-new-cold-war-spies-deported
Milliband stood up to the Americans over Syria whereas Cameron has consistently sacrificed our interests to the Americans, cheerleading wars in Iraq, Libya and Syria as well as US efforts to destabilise the Ukraine and isolate Russia.
I am surprised Miliband hasn't played his hand on the Syria vote better, its been the one real redeeming feature of his time as Labour leader.
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Possible Scottish gains by the tories starting with the most likely:
Berwickshire Roxburgh and Selkirk. If Michael Moore holds on it will be a miracle.
West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine. The only risk I see for the Tories here is the SNP coming from behind but the area voted strongly no.
Dumfries & Galloway: bit of an ask but possible on a bad Labour performance.
Edinburgh SW: newly in the frame since Darling stood down. Only on a very bad night for Labour.
Fife NE. I think the Lib Dems will lose this but probably not to the tories.
Argyll & Bute: ditto.
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Ed not doing himself any favours there - getting into a spat with a member of the public and acting like a smart-arse to boot. It does nothing to bolster his reputation as a statesman and is demeaning to his office. Perhaps I'll be charitable and assume it was written by some minion who's more keen than capable.Moses_ said:Whoa !! ed strikes back ( after a day thinking about it)
"Ed Miliband has hit back at Myleene Klass after she launched a stinging attack on the mansion tax.
In a sarcastic reference to Miss Klass’s most successful pop hit with her former band ‘Hear'Say,’ Mr Miliband said it was “Pure and Simple” that “our NHS needs a mansion tax."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11238204/Mansion-tax-is-Pure-and-Simple-Ed-Miliband-hits-back-at-Myleene-Klass.html
All back on the bus. Strike that up for a win for Ed. Now for that little wimp Putin.
Churchill once said his best comeback lines were thought of days before hand.
.......with Ed its days after.
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The second question from Lord A's constituency polls does not show much difference than national polls, in fact it corrects the huge falls it records to a more plausible level, example the average drop is around 14% ,in their own seats the fall is 16%, similar to the 16% average fall in national polls.Pulpstar said:
I think pollsters should ask the "in your constituency" question, even for national polling. Because "in your constituency" tends to show considerable Lib Dem upticks. I think it would lead to more accurate national polls.antifrank said:
If the Lib Dems are at 5%, uniform national swing simply does not work (and the Lib Dems could expect to get fewer seats than uniform national swing would predict, not more).stodge said:
It's one poll and the movement within the poll is significant but it could of course be an outlier though I imagine all the Tory-inclined will paint it as the unvarnished truth. Let's see where we are with other polls.Speedy said:I'm very surprised that Opinium conducted a poll so early (it usually does polls for the Observer every 2 weeks), I'm more surprised that it shows a massive collapse of the LD's in favour of the Tories.
I thought that the LD decline would follow the usual gradual pattern of scattering to all directions.
Nevertheless, 5% is where UNS catches up with the LD's, if they score 5% or less then they will get less than 10 seats.
I expect Nick Clegg not to be re-elected in his seat if they get 5% or less, especially if the collapse is towards the Tories.0 -
Only if it's at the top of a building.SandyRentool said:£2 million flat? Isn't the word 'penthouse'?
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It can only be a matter of time before Ed pushes Vera Lynn down the stairs in his latest relaunch and charm offensive.0
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isam said:
Voodoo poll but what the hell
Ukip to win Rochester by FIFTY points
http://www.maidstoneandmedwaynews.co.uk/xx/story-24552581-detail/story.html
A Ukip insider told MMN: "The Tories and Labour have flooded this place with so-called big hitters and only succeeded in p******* people off.
Quite agree. I hope UKIP smash it out the park in Rochester on Thursday.0 -
Daily Mirror? .....Seriously? *sniggers*bigjohnowls said:myleene really was stupid last night comparing water to a £2m pad as were the people tweeting she won the argument.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/millionaire-myleene-klass-blasted-being-4646847
Alternative view from the rest of the media
"Singer Myleene Klass went 'full Paxman' on the Labour leader during a TV debate in a stunning annihilation of his mansion tax policies"
Oh dear.
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I know it's electoral calculus but at these low levels LD's can't escape gravity.antifrank said:
If the Lib Dems are at 5%, uniform national swing simply does not work (and the Lib Dems could expect to get fewer seats than uniform national swing would predict, not more).stodge said:
It's one poll and the movement within the poll is significant but it could of course be an outlier though I imagine all the Tory-inclined will paint it as the unvarnished truth. Let's see where we are with other polls.Speedy said:I'm very surprised that Opinium conducted a poll so early (it usually does polls for the Observer every 2 weeks), I'm more surprised that it shows a massive collapse of the LD's in favour of the Tories.
I thought that the LD decline would follow the usual gradual pattern of scattering to all directions.
Nevertheless, 5% is where UNS catches up with the LD's, if they score 5% or less then they will get less than 10 seats.
I expect Nick Clegg not to be re-elected in his seat if they get 5% or less, especially if the collapse is towards the Tories.
I've put the numbers in electoral calculus to see the result for the LD, at 5% they get 7 seats, but when I put the same numbers for the other parties and LD's at 4% they get 0 seats.
Ironically with the LD's at 4%, UKIP get Sheffield Hallam, according to electoral calculus.0 -
Mr. Mark, to steal Dr. Prasannan's quote, it reminds me of Star Wars:
The more you tighten your grip, the more Scottish seats will slip through your fingers.
By trying to create a perpetual fiefdom Labour have done themselves and their nation long term harm. Morons. In broad terms, it's comparable to the rampant idiocy of the Fourth Crusade, or the baffling complacency of those who have seen what devolution has done to the UK and think that carving up England is a good idea.0 -
OK, so I take back any implied criticism of Myleene!
Klass has been an amateur astronomer for most of her life,[68] having been taught the basics by her father. She was one of only a handful of celebrities, engineers and scientists who were at the UK National Space Centre control centre for the touch-down of the UK Mars probe Beagle 2 in the early morning of Christmas Day 2003. Since then she has been a keen supporter of the UK's work in the European space programme.[69] In March 2006, Klass publicly criticised the proposed closure of the London Planetarium and explained on television how to view Venus in the early morning. She also appeared on Channel 4's Richard & Judy to discuss the book Moondust, which follows the lives of the first men on the moon, and in 2007 attended the televised party on BBC One, held at the home of Patrick Moore in Selsey to mark the 50th anniversary of Moore's monthly programme, The Sky at Night. Klass is now studying astronomy with the Open University.[70]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myleene_Klass0 -
Mr. Pulpstar, I don't think they'll win by that margin.
If they did, it'd be very bad for Cameron.0 -
Is an Edinburgh seat really likely to go to the Tories? I'll admit I'm really not an expert on Scotland at all, but in the UK generally, the metropolitan middle-class-ish seats are rapidly trending away from the Tories.DavidL said:Possible Scottish gains by the tories starting with the most likely:
Berwickshire Roxburgh and Selkirk. If Michael Moore holds on it will be a miracle.
West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine. The only risk I see for the Tories here is the SNP coming from behind but the area voted strongly no.
Dumfries & Galloway: bit of an ask but possible on a bad Labour performance.
Edinburgh SW: newly in the frame since Darling stood down. Only on a very bad night for Labour.
Fife NE. I think the Lib Dems will lose this but probably not to the tories.
Argyll & Bute: ditto.
Ayr Carrick & Cumnock. Nah, this is getting ridiculous.0 -
And yet you feel the need to come out to defend Labour. If it wasn't an issue you wouldn't be banging on about it. Still at least you haven't gone for full on misogyny like some of your comrades.bigjohnowls said:myleene really was stupid last night comparing water to a £2m pad as were the people tweeting she won the argument.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/millionaire-myleene-klass-blasted-being-46468470 -
Jonathan.
"Shall we all have whip round for the poor souls with £2million houses.
Maybe we could release a charity single."
Do They Know it's Christmas Time in Cheyney Walk?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/ebola/11236278/Why-Adele-was-right-to-ignore-Bob-Geldof-and-Band-Aid.html0 -
Lol UKIP will never win Hallam in a billion years.Speedy said:
I know it's electoral calculus but at these low levels LD's can't escape gravity.antifrank said:
If the Lib Dems are at 5%, uniform national swing simply does not work (and the Lib Dems could expect to get fewer seats than uniform national swing would predict, not more).stodge said:
It's one poll and the movement within the poll is significant but it could of course be an outlier though I imagine all the Tory-inclined will paint it as the unvarnished truth. Let's see where we are with other polls.Speedy said:I'm very surprised that Opinium conducted a poll so early (it usually does polls for the Observer every 2 weeks), I'm more surprised that it shows a massive collapse of the LD's in favour of the Tories.
I thought that the LD decline would follow the usual gradual pattern of scattering to all directions.
Nevertheless, 5% is where UNS catches up with the LD's, if they score 5% or less then they will get less than 10 seats.
I expect Nick Clegg not to be re-elected in his seat if they get 5% or less, especially if the collapse is towards the Tories.
I've put the numbers in electoral calculus to see the result for the LD, at 5% they get 7 seats, but when I put the same numbers for the other parties and LD's at 4% they get 0 seats.
Ironically with the LD's at 4%, UKIP get Sheffield Hallam, according to electoral calculus.
Rother Valley is their best chance round these parts I think.
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I know someone who has been involved on and off with the Libdems for years, always supported them and is pretty clued up politically. For the last two or three years until starting with the Euros and particularly Clacton he was often reminding me that you underestimate the Libdems at your peril, now he's lost interest in talking about politics. I think he knows its going to be armageddon for them in 2015.antifrank said:
I won't be putting the house on the Lib Dems saving their deposit on the strength of this particular survey of public opinion.isam said:Voodoo poll but what the hell
Ukip to win Rochester by FIFTY points
http://www.maidstoneandmedwaynews.co.uk/xx/story-24552581-detail/story.html0 -
I wrote here when I read that Cameron planed to visit Rochester 5 times that the only result will be to remind people why they hate the Tories.Pulpstar said:isam said:Voodoo poll but what the hell
Ukip to win Rochester by FIFTY points
http://www.maidstoneandmedwaynews.co.uk/xx/story-24552581-detail/story.html
A Ukip insider told MMN: "The Tories and Labour have flooded this place with so-called big hitters and only succeeded in p******* people off.
Quite agree. I hope UKIP smash it out the park in Rochester on Thursday.0 -
Oh, I'm sure he's as dodgy as a six pound note, Kent, but local politics were ever thus and certainly in that area.KentRising said:@peter_the_Punter
Sorry, Peter, I was not claiming Tower Hamlets as worse than any other area of London in terms of crime etc, merely that it's politics is - to say the least - dodgy. The mayor has cronies with a siege mentality.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/04/an-afternoon-on-the-stump-with-lutfur-rahman/
You'll need a few bob if you want to move in there these days though, and the colour of the local politics is changing out of all recognition. I was renting near Bethnal Green Station during the last GE and will never forget answering the door to a gaggle of Muslims straight out of central casting - beards, long flowing robes, white hats, heavy accents, and terribly polite. Turned out they were canvassing for the Conservatives.
Somehow I found it all very reassuring.0 -
It's the whole Crosby negative campaigning that's getting me, feels like 2005 again. 2010's campaign had its faults but 2005 was vile. And it put me right off... I wonder if the burgers of Rochester & Strood are feeling the same way.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Pulpstar, I don't think they'll win by that margin.
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What's quite worrying about this media campaign against Miliband is that it seeks to smear ISAs and DOVs with the same public shame as the truly illicit and immoral vehicles of reducing tax, or to make the latter sound as innocuous as the former (take which you pick, or both, but one might do well to consider whether the latter is an aim of the current campaign as well as, of course, attacking Mr M).RodCrosby said:
I wouldn't even class it as avoidance. Ralph M simply forgot to make use of an allowance that was his by right, and that error was rectified by the DOV.Cyclefree said:
I don't think it a story. But I think tax avoidance is perfectly legitimate. I was just curious as to how it might have worked hence my questions to you.
It risks becoming a story if Ed makes a big point of talking about higher taxes on the rich and others point out the possible hypocrisy of his stance. All Labour leaders are vulnerable to that charge - unless you're of the Blair/Mandelson ilk. And Labour themselves have laid the groundwork for it by talking about tax cuts for Cameron's friends and asking how much he benefited from IHT changes. So they shouldn't complain if the same is done to them.
These were the kind of gotchas which make IHT such a pernicious tax (although that particular one was removed in 2009).
It falls mostly on the unworldy, the confused, the ill, and the secretive who are fearful of solicitors and their bills...
We were, at one time, potentially on the hook for around £250k but thankfully the final bill was zero.
This will make it that much more difficult to persuade the elderly and difficult to take the advice they desperately need to follow as they get older. Which will make the situation you describe even worse. The 2009 change was a huge improvement.
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Roger..Of course it is Cheyne Walk..not Cheney.. ignorant tosser..0
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In response to Peter the Punter, who said: -
"Amusing though the thought may be, Kent, I can't let that pass, even if only because there might be one idiot out there who thinks there is some truth in it.
I was born and brought up nearby, live a few miles down the road and visit the area regularly. You have to take sensible precautions, as you would in most inner City areas, but Aleppo it certainly is not.
Happy to take you for a drink in the Crown if you disagree.
http://www.viewlondon.co.uk/pubsandbars/the-crown-review-29182.html<"
One of the arguments being used by those - i.e. the losing Labour party candidate - challenging the mayoral result in the courts is that voters were being intimidated.
Intimidation of voters, if true, is very serious. It goes to the heart of our electoral system.
It is disgraceful of Livingstone to support intimidation of officers (making the lives of public servants doing a job in the public sector "intolerable") brought in legitimately to ensure that the authority behaves lawfully with taxpayers' money (not brought in to overthrow the Mayor), especially when that Mayor is from a different party - and his supporters have used homophobic abuse against Labour councillors and when it is the Labour candidate who is challenging the election, partly on the grounds of intimidation.
He should be expelled from the Labour party for supporting a candidate from a rival party.
There again, Livingstone had his own difficulties with public monies being handed out to groups with little scrutiny and for unclear purposes and with little or no audit trail as to where the money went so it is no surprise to see him supporting a man accused of doing the same thing.
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I know at the moment it's on par with UKIP winning seats in Scotland, but that is electoral calculus as usual.Pulpstar said:
Lol UKIP will never win Hallam in a billion years.Speedy said:
I know it's electoral calculus but at these low levels LD's can't escape gravity.antifrank said:
If the Lib Dems are at 5%, uniform national swing simply does not work (and the Lib Dems could expect to get fewer seats than uniform national swing would predict, not more).stodge said:
It's one poll and the movement within the poll is significant but it could of course be an outlier though I imagine all the Tory-inclined will paint it as the unvarnished truth. Let's see where we are with other polls.Speedy said:I'm very surprised that Opinium conducted a poll so early (it usually does polls for the Observer every 2 weeks), I'm more surprised that it shows a massive collapse of the LD's in favour of the Tories.
I thought that the LD decline would follow the usual gradual pattern of scattering to all directions.
Nevertheless, 5% is where UNS catches up with the LD's, if they score 5% or less then they will get less than 10 seats.
I expect Nick Clegg not to be re-elected in his seat if they get 5% or less, especially if the collapse is towards the Tories.
I've put the numbers in electoral calculus to see the result for the LD, at 5% they get 7 seats, but when I put the same numbers for the other parties and LD's at 4% they get 0 seats.
Ironically with the LD's at 4%, UKIP get Sheffield Hallam, according to electoral calculus.
Rother Valley is their best chance round these parts I think.0 -
..but the way prices are rising it will soon be Gasworks View, Salford0
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PBTories should really take a look at some of the Twitter comments about Myleene Klass. It's not just the "usual suspects" of the liberal intelligentsia -- lots of people who seemingly have little interest in politics are saying how angry they are at this very rich person moaning about having to pay a bit more.0
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On the mansion tax issue - it does spark some thoughts:
- Those renting a dwelling valued over £2m will have it incident on them (the owner will pass it through, doubtless)
- The vast majority of the c.125,000-150,000 dwellings valued over £2m will have their value primarily based on location (number derived from "0.5% of homes" multiplied by c. 25million to 30million homes in the UK). The vast majority of these will be in London.
- It does smack of a little unfairness for a Government to be key in promoting scarcity of homes in desired locations (no-one's willing to reform the not-fit-for-purpose Green Belt legislation) and then imposing a tax on the value that comes out of that partly-artificial scarcuty
- Are any social housing units in these scarce/desirable areas? Given that a regular semi-detached 4 bedroomed house can trigger the tax in some areas, will the tax be levied on social housing tenants who fall in such areas?0 -
Yet you still have to bang on about it. Let it lie.Danny565 said:PBTories should really take a look at some of the Twitter comments about Myleene Klass. It's not just the "usual suspects" of the liberal intelligentsia -- lots of people who seemingly have little interest in politics are saying how angry they are at this very rich person moaning about having to pay a bit more.
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If the Lib Dems really did tally 5% at the general election, I expect that they would take Orkney & Shetland, Westmorland & Lonsdale, Norfolk North and Ross, Skye & Lochaber. They would be lucky to take another seat.0
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If the Republic wants to invade, it can have it.Carnyx said:
Northern Ireland?Speedy said:
Since Britain doesn't have any overseas territories that have a land border (apart from Gibraltar) then it doesn't need an land army, only a navy and an airforce.DecrepitJohnL said:
It also opens the door for UKIP to point out the scale of defence cuts under this government.Pulpstar said:
I'd imagine our strategic NATO/US positions would be virtually identical under Cameron or Miliband when push comes to shove on potential flashpoints such as those. Neither Dave nor Ed will be president of the USA or the chief of NATO which are the only two military-political positions that ultimately matter in the western world.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Hopkins, it's despicable behaviour.
Mildly surprised the Conservatives themselves have gone for a Putin/Klass Vs Cameron/Miliband comparison, but it might work.
Mocking Miliband is in danger of becoming a popular pastime. Imagine him facing up to ISIS, the Ukraine situation, a belligerent China sending tanks to Hong Kong and so on. Contemplating that sort of scenario will not make people likelier to vote Miliband.
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edmundintokyo said:
Is it just me or does this ad demand the response, "Neither, they're both about as useful as a chocolate teapot"? I mean, David Cameron's "confrontation" seems to consist of standing there looking uncomfortable, and Putin's response to it seems to have been to send a bunch more tanks into Ukraine, something which everybody knows Cameron is neither ready, willing or able to do anything about. Then you imagine Ed Miliband in the same situation, and maybe he'd blink at him or something, resulting in exactly the same outcome.TheScreamingEagles said:Blinking hell, the Tories have used the Ed Miliband/Myleene Klass thing in their latest attack on Ed.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2u_XMsCUAA3XX-.jpg
Difference is Putin pretends to have a meeting with Dave. He'd regard Ed as so pathetic he probably wouldn't even bother.0 -
That's not even good enough to be a voodoo poll.Pulpstar said:isam said:Voodoo poll but what the hell
Ukip to win Rochester by FIFTY points
http://www.maidstoneandmedwaynews.co.uk/xx/story-24552581-detail/story.html
A Ukip insider told MMN: "The Tories and Labour have flooded this place with so-called big hitters and only succeeded in p******* people off.
Quite agree. I hope UKIP smash it out the park in Rochester on Thursday.0 -
MarkHopkins said:isam said:
Referring to the people in charge of investigating the dealings of Lutfur Rahmn, Mayor of Tower Hamlets...MarkHopkins said:
What did he do/say?isam said:Just seen the Ken Livingstone nonsense on Daily Politics.. what a contemptible man he is
"To a crowd of about 1,000 people, Mr Livingstone said the commissioners should be "ashamed of themselves" if they take the job.
He added: "When these commissioners turn up, find out where they live and then have a peaceful demonstration outside their homes so their neighbours know that these are the type of people that turn out and overturn a democratically elected mayor.
"Make their lives intolerable. Fight them, expose them, make sure everybody knows what they're doing."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-30042624
That kind of intimidation ought to be illegal (if it isn't already).
The hard left and followers of the religion of peace are exempt from normal laws.0 -
They'd best try hard in Eastleigh then.antifrank said:If the Lib Dems really did tally 5% at the general election, I expect that they would take Orkney & Shetland, Westmorland & Lonsdale, Norfolk North and Ross, Skye & Lochaber. They would be lucky to take another seat.
Though not so much in Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross ta very much.0 -
Except of course that she wouldn't have to pay more because the house she lived in was sold for £1.8 mio i.e. below the threshold.Danny565 said:PBTories should really take a look at some of the Twitter comments about Myleene Klass. It's not just the "usual suspects" of the liberal intelligentsia -- lots of people who seemingly have little interest in politics are saying how angry they are at this very rich person moaning about having to pay a bit more.
So not so much a rich person moaning about having to pay more tax but more a rich person moaning that other richer people might have to pay more.
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So with opinium having the tories in the lead, that's 2 polls in a row, thread on that presumably?
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I think they couldn't avoid a meeting during the G20, if Ed becomes PM i'm sure he will attend the G20 too and meet some of it's leaders for a photo op.Itajai said:edmundintokyo said:
Is it just me or does this ad demand the response, "Neither, they're both about as useful as a chocolate teapot"? I mean, David Cameron's "confrontation" seems to consist of standing there looking uncomfortable, and Putin's response to it seems to have been to send a bunch more tanks into Ukraine, something which everybody knows Cameron is neither ready, willing or able to do anything about. Then you imagine Ed Miliband in the same situation, and maybe he'd blink at him or something, resulting in exactly the same outcome.TheScreamingEagles said:Blinking hell, the Tories have used the Ed Miliband/Myleene Klass thing in their latest attack on Ed.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2u_XMsCUAA3XX-.jpg
Difference is Putin pretends to have a meeting with Dave. He'd regard Ed as so pathetic he probably wouldn't even bother.0 -
KentRising said:
Could the Tories make gains in Scotland next year?
Berwickshier&c and Kincardine&c should be possible. Others seem like longer shots, perhaps Dumfries. NE Fife and Aberdeenshire W are probably too long a shot, although it depends on the Indy referendum and how the Tartan Tory vote splits.An Edinburgh seat also looks a seat too far.0 -
There was the big late break in H&M though...corporeal said:
That's not even good enough to be a voodoo poll.Pulpstar said:isam said:Voodoo poll but what the hell
Ukip to win Rochester by FIFTY points
http://www.maidstoneandmedwaynews.co.uk/xx/story-24552581-detail/story.html
A Ukip insider told MMN: "The Tories and Labour have flooded this place with so-called big hitters and only succeeded in p******* people off.
Quite agree. I hope UKIP smash it out the park in Rochester on Thursday.0 -
She did win the argument, she shoudn't have; an able Labour leader would have slaughtered her and given no quarter, but the fact is that on the night she did win the argument. That is the problem Labour have with Iain Duncan Miliband.bigjohnowls said:myleene really was stupid last night comparing water to a £2m pad as were the people tweeting she won the argument.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/millionaire-myleene-klass-blasted-being-4646847
WTF didn't Ed prepare rebuttals for the interview, did it not occur to him that a millionaire former pop starette living in an expensive house might have negative views on the mansion tax?, a tax that the rest of us with houses worth about £250k actually support and if anything think is too timid; as it is high time removal of the free ride such people have had since the Tories abolished domestic rates.
What we actually need is a land value tax of 1% of the value of any land owned with no exemptions (other than perhaps certain charities like the national trust). That would break up the big estates, tax the multinationals heavily and stop pensioners bed blocking family houses.0 -
@Cyclefree
I was responding to the insinuation that somehow the area was not safe. In fairness, I think Kent has accepted that to be a misrepresentation.
As for electoral fraud of any kind, never mind intimidation, it is to be deplored wherever it arises. All power to those who expose it.
In my defence, may I state that I voted for Boris ahead of Ken - only the second time in my life I have voted for a Conservative. Why? Well of course I have no proof that Ken is less pure and white than the driven snow, but I have always had my suspicions..... ;-)0 -
Labour Uncut are unimpressed with Ed.
http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2014/11/18/what-ed-miliband-should-have-said-to-myleene-klass/#.VGuFYUajuSo.twitter
Highlights Ed's inability to think on his feet, or refute Myleene's Klass's point. Generalities are not enough, though Labour ought to bear in mind that the sums involved won't help run The NHS for very long.
But even his own side recognise an own goal when they see it.0 -
Doddy
"Roger..Of course it is Cheyne Walk..not Cheney.. ignorant tosser.."
Sorry but at a cafe in Beaulieu using an ipad with a mind of it's own. Will beat it around the head as soon as I've finished.
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Something has happened in the last week that has made UKIP a lot more confident that they are going to win- private polling, canvassing maybe..Pulpstar said:
There was the big late break in H&M though...corporeal said:
That's not even good enough to be a voodoo poll.Pulpstar said:isam said:Voodoo poll but what the hell
Ukip to win Rochester by FIFTY points
http://www.maidstoneandmedwaynews.co.uk/xx/story-24552581-detail/story.html
A Ukip insider told MMN: "The Tories and Labour have flooded this place with so-called big hitters and only succeeded in p******* people off.
Quite agree. I hope UKIP smash it out the park in Rochester on Thursday.
Re. Opinium- has it been properly confirmed? It's unusual Opinium didn't mention VI in their write up.
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As discussed, there is a dilemma for praetorian Tories about this poll because if it's true then it's terminal (really really terminal) for the LD's and Nick Clegg.Scrapheap_as_was said:So with opinium having the tories in the lead, that's 2 polls in a row, thread on that presumably?
Not read the thread yet so presume this has been covered?
So opinion is divided, I personally think it's an outlier and the good thing is we can wait till Saturday evening when the next Opinium poll should be due.0 -
The Labour leader appeared surprised when the ex-Hear'Say star rounded on him in a debate on ITV's The Agenda.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30104972
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No they won't, any more than they can pass on any other bill, rents are set on market value which is why rents in my Bedfordshire town are exactly the same as they were in 2001 despite property prices more than doubling in valueAndy_Cooke said:On the mansion tax issue - it does spark some thoughts:
- Those renting a dwelling valued over £2m will have it incident on them (the owner will pass it through, doubtless),
Do what I do then, move out 40 odd miles and commute. Better lifestyle and more space too.Andy_Cooke said:- The vast majority of the c.125,000-150,000 dwellings valued over £2m will have their value primarily based on location (number derived from "0.5% of homes" multiplied by c. 25million to 30million homes in the UK). The vast majority of these will be in London.
- It does smack of a little unfairness for a Government to be key in promoting scarcity of homes in desired locations (no-one's willing to reform the not-fit-for-purpose Green Belt legislation) and then imposing a tax on the value that comes out of that partly-artificial scarcuty
No, because they are tenants not owners.Andy_Cooke said:- Are any social housing units in these scarce/desirable areas? Given that a regular semi-detached 4 bedroomed house can trigger the tax in some areas, will the tax be levied on social housing tenants who fall in such areas?
Buy to letters are a very small amount of the electorate owning huge value immovable assets which can be milked by the government for tax, they are turkeys approaching Christmas, and not before time.0 -
The Mansion tax is truly one of the best named taxes of all time, from an opposition point of view. I don't know if it even has a different name, like how supporters generally try not to refer to the Bedroom tax as the Bedroom tax. No matter how true it may be that relatively normal houses (or at least not extravagantly large and lavish houses) in London will price wise fall into the 'mansion' category, it will always revert in peoples' minds as something much grander.
Regarding this whole Klass business, I thought she looked good making her points, it was delivered pretty well, but even some moderate thought on it made me question her water comparison for example. It really didn't feel like has genuinely been taken to task by someone unexpected, just that he hadn't expected the attempt so much that he didn't defend a popular policy very well.
Perhaps you're right, although in that case I do wonder how any party is supposed to properly oppose UKIP, or even if they can - don't send people in in force, as many Tories would clearly have no problem with as many of them want UKIP to do well at their expense, and you're exposing your belly to UKIP. Send people in force and you annoy people and, as they already didn't like you, you reinforce why they don't like you.Speedy said:
I wrote here when I read that Cameron planed to visit Rochester 5 times that the only result will be to remind people why they hate the Tories.Pulpstar said:
A Ukip insider told MMN: "The Tories and Labour have flooded this place with so-called big hitters and only succeeded in p******* people off.isam said:Voodoo poll but what the hell
Ukip to win Rochester by FIFTY points
http://www.maidstoneandmedwaynews.co.uk/xx/story-24552581-detail/story.html
Quite agree. I hope UKIP smash it out the park in Rochester on Thursday.
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The second strange poll of the afternoon. Imagine if that did happen - the LDs third, Labour fourth, the Tories smashed to 14% and presumably Nigel Farage's phone red-hot with Tories wishing to defect to his Party.Pulpstar said:
A Ukip insider told MMN: "The Tories and Labour have flooded this place with so-called big hitters and only succeeded in p******* people off.isam said:Voodoo poll but what the hell
Ukip to win Rochester by FIFTY points
http://www.maidstoneandmedwaynews.co.uk/xx/story-24552581-detail/story.html
Quite agree. I hope UKIP smash it out the park in Rochester on Thursday.
No doubt Scott P would be along to claim it was a good result for the Conservatives.
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Gwilym David Blunt @GDBlunt 58s59 seconds ago
@LabourList gives a better rebuttal to @KlassMyleene than @Ed_Miliband. That's something I never expected to write.
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FalseFlag said:
Where these the magic invisible tanks Russia has developed, incapable of being seen by satellites again?edmundintokyo said:
Is it just me or does this ad demand the response, "Neither, they're both about as useful as a chocolate teapot"? I mean, David Cameron's "confrontation" seems to consist of standing there looking uncomfortable, and Putin's response to it seems to have been to send a bunch more tanks into Ukraine, something which everybody knows Cameron is neither ready, willing or able to do anything about. Then you imagine Ed Miliband in the same situation, and maybe he'd blink at him or something, resulting in exactly the same outcome.TheScreamingEagles said:Blinking hell, the Tories have used the Ed Miliband/Myleene Klass thing in their latest attack on Ed.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2u_XMsCUAA3XX-.jpg
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/17/putin-claims-west-provoking-russia-new-cold-war-spies-deported
http://armamentresearch.com/Uploads/Research Report No. 3 - Raising Red Flags.pdf
Milliband stood up to the Americans over Syria whereas Cameron has consistently sacrificed our interests to the Americans, cheerleading wars in Iraq, Libya and Syria as well as US efforts to destabilise the Ukraine and isolate Russia.
I am surprised Miliband hasn't played his hand on the Syria vote better, its been the one real redeeming feature of his time as Labour leader.
How many times will they call wolf?
Is this the second, third, nth time that (up to) hundreds of Russian tanks are in Ukraine. Leads the news cycle for a couple of days. Then nothing. Presumably because they are special tanks that cannot be photographed, even from the air. Although US satellites have no problems with these tanks on the Russian side of the border.
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Mike Smithson@MSmithsonPB·2m2 minutes ago
New Opinium poll has CON in lead with the LDs down 4 to 5%
Con 34 (+5), Lab 33 (+1) LD 5 (-4) UKIP 18 (-1)0 -
Roger.. stop being a leftie wimp and blaming it on your comp... You of all people should know..Even I knew that... therefore you are an ignorant tosser..Sent From North Italy.0
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It'll be on the same thread as the Maidstone & Medway Advertiser poll on R&S.Scrapheap_as_was said:So with opinium having the tories in the lead, that's 2 polls in a row, thread on that presumably?
Not read the thread yet so presume this has been covered?
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