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  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823
    Autumn statement/fiscal event on October 23rd and election on December 5th. The autumn statement retail offer to be implemented for November pay, people get paid November 29th with an extra £100 or so in the bank than they got the month before.

    Personally I don't think it's going to make any difference but this is, aiui, the Tory thinking right now.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,596

    Or the King can go and they can schedule a Teams call with Starmer when he wins the election. Or if the media want to see Starmer in a car going to Buckingham Palace, Prince William or Princess Eugenie can meet him.
    If the king is away, there will be a Council of State which carries out his duties. So the most senior member (presumably Wills) would do it.
  • TrumanTruman Posts: 279
    malcolmg said:

    He should send USA a backbone
    To be fair much of MAGA supports Putin more than they do the us.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,596
    Eabhal said:

    Fascinating thread about the M25 and motorways in general:

    https://x.com/MichaelDnes1/status/1768566977721688142?s=20

    Something for everyone, but an astonishing stat that 78% of the traffic on this bit of the M25 is just local people trying to get to the other side of it, rather than using it to bypass that part of London.

    Build a bridge, seems to be the obvious answer.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,214
    edited March 2024
    a
    TimS said:

    Macron, in true Gaullist fashion, has seen an opening for France to play its predestined role as the lynchpin of an independent European defence alliance. America walking away from the scene was the cue he needed.

    If it, along with Tusk back in power in Poland, can make a material difference to Europe's posture and ambition on Ukraine then so much the better.
    All parties in Poland agree on massive armament.

    If the planned buys/build out is completed, Poland, on it's own, will have a military that will be a match for Russia.

    Which in turn has some implications for Europe. Especially since Poland seems to have taken a shine to South Korean equipment.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,934
    edited March 2024

    Indeed.

    The peak of this, for me, is the town of Mersault, where the Casino Shop (look it up if you dare) does a roaring trade in shite, across the road from a boulangerie and all of about 1 minutes walk to a place where they are making charcuterie on the premises....
    Meursault is apparently notoriously a village of nouvs. A winemaker I was speaking to down in the Maconnais was complaining about them while making the "snob" sign with his finger under his nose. Erstwhile peasants who've seen a flood of international money come in for their products and got a bit up themselves. They look down on the likes of Pouilly Fuisse as country bumpkins. At least so he says.

    Incidentally what brought you to the Meursault Petit Casino? For 90% of European visitors it's because they're staying at the municipal campsite La Grappe D'Or. The locals will probably claim all the sales of crap are to Dutch caravanners (when they're not complaining the Dutch come to France fully stocked and don't buy anything local).
  • TrumanTruman Posts: 279
    Speaking of MAGA then you have Tucker Carlson who is open about preferring Russia now.

    Tucker Carlson claims Moscow is freer than the U.S.

    "The country I grew up in had a semi-functioning capitalist system with competition, it wasn't all like 4 companies dominating everything. That's not capitalism. That's a monopoly economy.”

    https://x.com/KaceeRAllen/status/1767538984060666056?s=20
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,073
    edited March 2024

    You think a politician might be, unintentionally no doubt, misleading the public. Has this ever happened before?
    No. It’s called “misspoke” easily cleared up next morning by press office saying “you thought he ruled out an election date? You fools - he was merely replying there is no General Election on the 2nd, just local elections.” 🙂

    Let’s see what comes out the 11:30.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,934

    a

    All parties in Poland agree on massive armament.

    If the planned buys/build out is completed, Poland, on it's own, will have a military that will be a match for Russia.

    Which in turn has some implications for Europe. Especially since Poland seems to have taken a shine to South Korean equipment.
    The big difference now from my perspective is that Tusk is known and trusted by his EU allies. It makes consensus much more possible, especially with Germany.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,626

    Ali Campbell and Rory the Tory have got an Election 2024 tour booked in October, and from what they're saying, on the odd occasion I listen, they're talking as if the autumn is a foregone conclusion.

    I am sure all the centrist dad types like you will queue round the block to see the old soak and the greatest PM we never had.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,934

    Build a bridge, seems to be the obvious answer.
    That's what I was thinking. But it must be more complicated than that.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,729
    Truman said:

    Speaking of MAGA then you have Tucker Carlson who is open about preferring Russia now.

    Tucker Carlson claims Moscow is freer than the U.S.

    "The country I grew up in had a semi-functioning capitalist system with competition, it wasn't all like 4 companies dominating everything. That's not capitalism. That's a monopoly economy.”

    https://x.com/KaceeRAllen/status/1767538984060666056?s=20

    You're welcome to the tw@t, if you want him.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    Indeed.

    The peak of this, for me, is the town of Mersault, where the Casino Shop (look it up if you dare) does a roaring trade in shite, across the road from a boulangerie and all of about 1 minutes walk to a place where they are making charcuterie on the premises....
    Some people will always buy shite.

    Note from your own post that Mersault (population 1,390) has a boulangerie and a place where they are making charcuterie on the premises.

    QED.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,356
    MaxPB said:

    Autumn statement/fiscal event on October 23rd and election on December 5th. The autumn statement retail offer to be implemented for November pay, people get paid November 29th with an extra £100 or so in the bank than they got the month before.

    Personally I don't think it's going to make any difference but this is, aiui, the Tory thinking right now.

    That's moving imaginary armies round a map in a Berlin bunker, isn't it?

    I'm not sure the timings really work (week long FE debate, week long washup, dissolution is on November 13, election December 19, so very tight), or that there's any sign that the last two big retail offers have worked.

    But more importantly, 30 million taxpayers getting £100 a month on average is £3 billion a month or £36 billion a year. The government doesn't have that kind of cash to splash.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,626
    Just saw on Sky News a row of people, sacrificing their dignity, by dressing as chickens holding letters calling out the PM for chickening out on something he never agreed to do.

    I am sure the expectation of being parachuted into a safe seat for the 3rd Starmer government when it comes is what keeps them going.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,073
    “The reason for choosing Thursday, it is said, was as follows. On Fridays the voters were paid their wages and if they went for a drink in a public house they would be subject to pressure from the Conservative brewing interests, while on Sundays they would be subject to influence by Free Church ministers who were generally Liberal in persuasion. Therefore choose the day furthest from influence by either publicans or Free Church clergymen, namely Thursday. Although these influences are much less significant today, the trend towards Thursday becoming a universal polling day has continued, because Urban District Councils and Rural District Councils all polled on a Saturday until they were abolished under the 1972 Local Government Act. Their successor District Councils poll on a Thursday and the Parish Council polling day was changed from Saturday to Thursday at the same time.“

    I don’t really believe that, do you?
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,591

    Indeed. That makes no sense as election launch pad. Income tax cutting budget and out with the lecturn next morning makes more sense.

    They are not thinking rationally 🙇‍♀️
    I have seen a reference to recent polling (can't remember source) the gist of which was that people are well aware that Labour is going to come in and taxes will be raised for all the obvious reasons that we know about. They don't believe that cuts are affordable, they know that a small cuts is a merely a gesture which will be reversed, maybe not directly but certainly by increases in other forms of taxation, and their votes are not up for grabs in this way. So if the Tories think that "2p off" or whatever will have a major impact - or any impact - on their poll ratings they are whistling in the dark.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    edited March 2024

    Exactly. I don't get biscuits or crisps or any of that crap in and stand on my own two feet (i.e. stand up in my kitchen for a couple of hours) and cook every meal from scratch (often in large batches, creating freezer blocks). I can make 16 servings of delicious casseroles/mouth-watering authentic curries/and luscious ragus etc in one shift, all from fresh ingredients with no artificial additives.

    I always implore people to examine the ingredients on a ready meal, or in a Maccy D's, or on a so-called 'healthy' spread like Flora. This shit is BAD for you. No wonder the French, Italians and Spanish think we are fucking barbarians.
    Part of it AIUI is that exercise increases the general metabolic rate anyway, so it's not a simple matter of calculating the km per fig roll. Or rather the fig rolls per km.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,596

    “The reason for choosing Thursday, it is said, was as follows. On Fridays the voters were paid their wages and if they went for a drink in a public house they would be subject to pressure from the Conservative brewing interests, while on Sundays they would be subject to influence by Free Church ministers who were generally Liberal in persuasion. Therefore choose the day furthest from influence by either publicans or Free Church clergymen, namely Thursday. Although these influences are much less significant today, the trend towards Thursday becoming a universal polling day has continued, because Urban District Councils and Rural District Councils all polled on a Saturday until they were abolished under the 1972 Local Government Act. Their successor District Councils poll on a Thursday and the Parish Council polling day was changed from Saturday to Thursday at the same time.“

    I don’t really believe that, do you?

    I have always wondered why local authorities have to all poll on the same day. Why don't they set their own dates, assuming they are the right distance apart?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    TimS said:

    Meursault is apparently notoriously a village of nouvs. A winemaker I was speaking to down in the Maconnais was complaining about them while making the "snob" sign with his finger under his nose. Erstwhile peasants who've seen a flood of international money come in for their products and got a bit up themselves. They look down on the likes of Pouilly Fuisse as country bumpkins. At least so he says.

    Incidentally what brought you to the Meursault Petit Casino? For 90% of European visitors it's because they're staying at the municipal campsite La Grappe D'Or. The locals will probably claim all the sales of crap are to Dutch caravanners (when they're not complaining the Dutch come to France fully stocked and don't buy anything local).
    There is a certain type of northern European who holidays in France with a fully stocked boot of crap food. Some of these people are in my acquaintance, despite it essentially being illegal to import most of this stuff to France these days.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,214
    Nigelb said:

    You're welcome to the tw@t, if you want him.
    To be fair, populists do sometimes have a point. The American economy (and political system - hello, Marx), is hugely skewed to the very wealthy owner class.

    But having a point and having the right answer to it are two different things.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,596
    TimS said:

    That's what I was thinking. But it must be more complicated than that.
    Nah. We just don't do evidenced-based government.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Taz said:

    Just saw on Sky News a row of people, sacrificing their dignity, by dressing as chickens holding letters calling out the PM for chickening out on something he never agreed to do.

    I am sure the expectation of being parachuted into a safe seat for the 3rd Starmer government when it comes is what keeps them going.

    Indeed. A giant inflatable bottle would have been a better prop.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,214
    TimS said:

    Meursault is apparently notoriously a village of nouvs. A winemaker I was speaking to down in the Maconnais was complaining about them while making the "snob" sign with his finger under his nose. Erstwhile peasants who've seen a flood of international money come in for their products and got a bit up themselves. They look down on the likes of Pouilly Fuisse as country bumpkins. At least so he says.

    Incidentally what brought you to the Meursault Petit Casino? For 90% of European visitors it's because they're staying at the municipal campsite La Grappe D'Or. The locals will probably claim all the sales of crap are to Dutch caravanners (when they're not complaining the Dutch come to France fully stocked and don't buy anything local).
    I was in the boulangerie across the street, watching numbers of locals pouring in and out. Was staying in a house just round the corner.

    All the French wine places go mad when they get "found" - put the prices up three times, buy a huge chateaux, install a tasting room with 5 meter high glass windows....
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,073
    Taz said:

    Just saw on Sky News a row of people, sacrificing their dignity, by dressing as chickens holding letters calling out the PM for chickening out on something he never agreed to do.

    I am sure the expectation of being parachuted into a safe seat for the 3rd Starmer government when it comes is what keeps them going.

    “ I am sure the expectation of being parachuted into a safe seat for the 3rd Starmer government when it comes is what keeps them going.”

    Or end up Tory communication chiefs in number 10 😉
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,214
    edited March 2024

    If the king is away, there will be a Council of State which carries out his duties. So the most senior member (presumably Wills) would do it.
    IIRC, appointing a PM is one of the things that the counsellors of state can't do and is specifically reserved to the sovereign.

    Whether the King could appoint remotely is a more interesting question. I suspect probably yes.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,809
    TimS said:

    The big difference now from my perspective is that Tusk is known and trusted by his EU allies. It makes consensus much more possible, especially with Germany.
    If America goes in the Trump Maga direction it will no longer be an ally. That completely changes European military thinking and arrangements, I'd have thought.
  • TrumanTruman Posts: 279

    To be fair, populists do sometimes have a point. The American economy (and political system - hello, Marx), is hugely skewed to the very wealthy owner class.

    But having a point and having the right answer to it are two different things.
    I think Carlson basically wants 1980s America back. Always strikes me how optimistic the movies of that period were.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,214
    Truman said:

    I think Carlson basically wants 1980s America back. Always strikes me how optimistic the movies of that period were.
    He probably wants the 1950s back.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,629
    Taz said:

    Has AverageNinja been banned or has he renegerated, in a Dr Who stylee.
    In the style of Siegfried Farnon "He's back!"
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,214

    Some people will always buy shite.

    Note from your own post that Mersault (population 1,390) has a boulangerie and a place where they are making charcuterie on the premises.

    QED.
    The locals seemed to be buying the garbage. The furriers (like me) are in the fancy places.

    I've seen the UK version of this in Auchterarder where the visitors keep the butchers alive while the locals shop at the SPAR across the road.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620

    “The reason for choosing Thursday, it is said, was as follows. On Fridays the voters were paid their wages and if they went for a drink in a public house they would be subject to pressure from the Conservative brewing interests, while on Sundays they would be subject to influence by Free Church ministers who were generally Liberal in persuasion. Therefore choose the day furthest from influence by either publicans or Free Church clergymen, namely Thursday. Although these influences are much less significant today, the trend towards Thursday becoming a universal polling day has continued, because Urban District Councils and Rural District Councils all polled on a Saturday until they were abolished under the 1972 Local Government Act. Their successor District Councils poll on a Thursday and the Parish Council polling day was changed from Saturday to Thursday at the same time.“

    I don’t really believe that, do you?

    It does make sense for Scotland in the second half of the 19th century. But if you changed 'Free Kirk' to 'Nonconformist, Presbyterian and Evangelical' it would make better sense in terms of covering the UK.

    Nevertheless, this raises an interesting point when the Scottish Unionist or Liberal pol would have to watch out for Communion Seasons when the Thursday was a Day of Humiliation - but the whole five days were sacred anyway.

    https://www.westminsterconfession.org/resources/worship/the-scottish-communion-season/
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620

    The locals seemed to be buying the garbage. The furriers (like me) are in the fancy places.

    I've seen the UK version of this in Auchterarder where the visitors keep the butchers alive while the locals shop at the SPAR across the road.
    Oh? Do you self-identify as a furry, then? But then that's what they apparently do thereabouts.

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/jul/17/juliette-by-camille-jourdy-review-an-exquisite-story-of-love-and-loss-in-rural-france
  • TrumanTruman Posts: 279
    kinabalu said:

    If America goes in the Trump Maga direction it will no longer be an ally. That completely changes European military thinking and arrangements, I'd have thought.
    Unless of course the likes of farage take over the tory party and win in 2029.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,214
    Truman said:

    I think Carlson basically wants 1980s America back. Always strikes me how optimistic the movies of that period were.
    The mega corps existed then as well. The difference today is that more of the founders have kept control of the new mega corps, rather than getting booted out by the banks/lawyers.

    Since founders are more visible than an anonymous row of suits at Omni Consumer Products.....
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,400

    He probably wants the 1950s back.
    1850s
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,214
    Cicero said:

    1850s
    Forty acres and a mule slave
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,564
    Basically, I think by the time we get to September it won't be about long or short or waiting for the polls any more, it will be how to fit things around events. the Tory conference (of course @Dura_Ace has a way of putting it, but I have time for the view), the Autumn Statement, the CHOGM red herring, the US election, Christmas.

    Also note that a post Christmas election doesn't give you that much extra time to actually call the election since the campaign is then lengthened a full week by Bank Holidays.

    I also wistfully note that the FTPA would have dictated a May 2nd election, as later in the year prior election dates were reset to May of the 5th year.

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,214
    Carnyx said:

    Oh? Do you self-identify as a furry, then? But then that's what they apparently do thereabouts.

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/jul/17/juliette-by-camille-jourdy-review-an-exquisite-story-of-love-and-loss-in-rural-france
    Ha!
  • Labour is currently going through the Tory 2019 greatest hits. They’ve now got Rishi dressed up as a chicken.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,729
    edited March 2024

    To be fair, populists do sometimes have a point. The American economy (and political system - hello, Marx), is hugely skewed to the very wealthy owner class.

    But having a point and having the right answer to it are two different things.
    The populists are both led and bankrolled by the wealthy owner class, in the US.
    It's a high end grift, and Tucker is a grifter.
  • Pro_Rata said:

    Basically, I think by the time we get to September it won't be about long or short or waiting for the polls any more, it will be how to fit things around events. the Tory conference (of course @Dura_Ace has a way of putting it, but I have time for the view), the Autumn Statement, the CHOGM red herring, the US election, Christmas.

    Also note that a post Christmas election doesn't give you that much extra time to actually call the election since the campaign is then lengthened a full week by Bank Holidays.

    I also wistfully note that the FTPA would have dictated a May 2nd election, as later in the year prior election dates were reset to May of the 5th year.

    @AverageNinja before his sad banning mentioned the FTPA a few days back.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,809

    Labour is currently going through the Tory 2019 greatest hits. They’ve now got Rishi dressed up as a chicken.

    I hope we don't see Keir spoofing anything from Love Actually.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,405

    Exactly. I don't get biscuits or crisps or any of that crap in and stand on my own two feet (i.e. stand up in my kitchen for a couple of hours) and cook every meal from scratch (often in large batches, creating freezer blocks). I can make 16 servings of delicious casseroles/mouth-watering authentic curries/and luscious ragus etc in one shift, all from fresh ingredients with no artificial additives.

    I always implore people to examine the ingredients on a ready meal, or in a Maccy D's, or on a so-called 'healthy' spread like Flora. This shit is BAD for you. No wonder the French, Italians and Spanish think we are fucking barbarians.
    I am very much with you on home cooking but don't really get the hatred for margarine that seems to be a widespread view on PB. The ingredients of Flora are plant oils (rapeseed, sunflower and linseed), water, coconut fat, salt, lecithin, natural flavourings and Vitamin A. Are any of those things so bad for you spread thinly on toast? I am not claiming it is healthier than butter, but I personally prefer the taste and it's easier to spread, and don't see the problem with it.
  • Taz said:

    I am sure all the centrist dad types like you will queue round the block to see the old soak and the greatest PM we never had.
    I really do try and avoid pointless, infantile spats with snarky randoms off the internet, so I won’t indulge myself by typing out what I think of you and the shitty little comments you keep lobbing my way.

    Hope you have a cracking weekend! xxxxx
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620

    Ha!
    :smiley:
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,400
    Truman said:

    Speaking of MAGA then you have Tucker Carlson who is open about preferring Russia now.

    Tucker Carlson claims Moscow is freer than the U.S.

    "The country I grew up in had a semi-functioning capitalist system with competition, it wasn't all like 4 companies dominating everything. That's not capitalism. That's a monopoly economy.”

    https://x.com/KaceeRAllen/status/1767538984060666056?s=20

    There are plenty of such fellow travellers. They are all, without exception, unmitigated, utter c%*¤s

    My personal view: ignore the SoB and remember that these people are unworthy of any respect or attention whatsoever.

    Even Murdoch found that out in the end.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,729
    Cicero said:

    1850s
    The 1920s/30s (and definitely not the FDR portion of it) is their professed model.
    There's a good long read on Politico profiling JD Vance, which goes into some detail.
    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/03/15/mr-maga-goes-to-washington-00147054
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,809
    Truman said:

    Unless of course the likes of farage take over the tory party and win in 2029.
    Yes, but there's no 'likes of' Farage thankfully.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,626

    I really do try and avoid pointless, infantile spats with snarky randoms off the internet, so I won’t indulge myself by typing out what I think of you and the shitty little comments you keep lobbing my way.
    Same with me but when someone I've never heard of before and not really engaged with before, suddenly lobs shitty comments at me for no reason, as you have done previously, I will respond in kind.

    Your view of me is as valuable to me as the contents of a tissue once I've emptied my nostrils into it.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,809
    Nigelb said:

    You're welcome to the tw@t, if you want him.
    I wonder if Kim's old Moscow apartment is available?
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,626

    Indeed. A giant inflatable bottle would have been a better prop.
    Non alcoholic. Rishi doesn't drink booze.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,079
    edited March 2024

    If the king is away, there will be a Council of State which carries out his duties. So the most senior member (presumably Wills) would do it.
    I fear for a regal black swan around that time.

    Our simulation is currently set in catastrophe mode.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,626

    “ I am sure the expectation of being parachuted into a safe seat for the 3rd Starmer government when it comes is what keeps them going.”

    Or end up Tory communication chiefs in number 10 😉
    I guess young staffers of any party can flit around whatever party they want when young.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,296
    TimS said:

    That's what I was thinking. But it must be more complicated than that.
    Didn't someone on here make the point that in order to get the M25 through planning lots of concessions were made to put junctions in for local areas. The result is 33 junctions at an average gap of 3.5 miles, which is plainly ridiculous for a motorway.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,737
    MaxPB said:

    Autumn statement/fiscal event on October 23rd and election on December 5th. The autumn statement retail offer to be implemented for November pay, people get paid November 29th with an extra £100 or so in the bank than they got the month before.

    Personally I don't think it's going to make any difference but this is, aiui, the Tory thinking right now.

    You aren’t going to be able to make changes on October 23rd and see them in a pay packet on November 6th. October 9th would be pushing it as you really need 4 weeks notice to get the changes implemented (and even then HMRC’s systems wont be in a position to pick up errors).

    Also it’s mid year so the only change could be yet another change to employee NI and no one cares about that as shown both in November and last week
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,819

    We’re lucky Boris isn’t in parliament, because I think they’re desperate enough to give him another go.

    Other than that, I can’t see beyond Mordaunt because there’s nobody else who isn’t either (a) measurably tied too closely to Rishi or Truss, or (b) who would want the poisoned chalice right now.
    I tend to agree. My Betfair account would like Sir Jake Berry to have a crack, but he's disappeared into the background. Mordaunt with the blessing of Boris would sort of work. Offer cabinet roles to Hunt and Rishi for continuity's sake, but bring back the right wingers too. Push the election out to Jan and go at it hard as an audition to be the next PM.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,214
    Nigelb said:

    The populists are both led and bankrolled by the wealthy owner class, in the US.
    It's a high end grift, and Tucker is a grifter.
    From their point of view, as long as it works.

    After all, Trump got away - and continues to get away - with presenting himself as the voice of the real people while having shovelled money to himself and his super-rich mates while in office.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,706

    IIRC, appointing a PM is one of the things that the counsellors of state can't do and is specifically reserved to the sovereign.

    Whether the King could appoint remotely is a more interesting question. I suspect probably yes.
    The Commons library has this:

    “While most Prime Ministers resign or are appointed at Buckingham Palace, others have done so at Windsor. An exception was H. H. Asquith in 1908, who had to take a boat and train to Biarittz in France, where King Edward VII was on holiday. He is the only Prime Minister to have been appointed outside the UK. Liz Truss was appointed Prime Minister at Balmoral, which last occurred when Lord Salisbury became Prime Minister in 1885.”

    So, if the King is in Samoa, Starmer can hop on a plane to Samoa, or wait for him to come back, I guess. Or, just maybe, everyone will be happy with a videoconference.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,737
    edited March 2024

    @AverageNinja before his sad banning mentioned the FTPA a few days back.
    You used the N word - that wasn’t a sad banning it was perfectly valid.

    You should be grateful that the mods have not closed your new account on sight - most forums would treat creating a new account whilst ban as justification for a permanent ban
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,706
    Ah, yes, the Royal Family websites confirms that appointing a PM cannot be done by Counsellors of State: https://www.royal.uk/counsellors-of-state
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Taz said:

    Non alcoholic. Rishi doesn't drink booze.
    Maybe a bottle of chicken soup
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,706

    He probably wants the 1950s back.
    1850s more like.
  • eek said:

    You used the N word - that wasn’t a sad banning it was perfectly valid.

    You should be grateful that the mods have not closed your new account on sight - most forums would treat creating a new account whilst ban as justification for a permanent ban
    I have used no such word. I think you mean somebody else.

    The user in question used it in quotation marks and did not use it in any other way with no malice intended. Their only mistake was to not star it out, it was quite clear what point they were making.

    Either way, I hope they will be allowed back.
  • The Traitors has to be the most stupid but hilariously entertaining TV programme I have ever seen.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,737

    Didn't someone on here make the point that in order to get the M25 through planning lots of concessions were made to put junctions in for local areas. The result is 33 junctions at an average gap of 3.5 miles, which is plainly ridiculous for a motorway.
    I don’t see what the problem is - Darlington has 3 motorway junctions for itself within 6 miles (junctions 57-59 of the A1(M)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,729

    The Traitors has to be the most stupid but hilariously entertaining TV programme I have ever seen.

    I'll report back on that after watching Chicken Nugget, for which I have high hopes.
  • eek said:

    I don’t see what the problem is - Darlington has 3 motorway junctions for itself within 6 miles (junctions 57-59 of the A1(M)
    You should watch this video on the M25, you would find it interesting: https://youtu.be/yUEHWhO_HdY

    (Also for being 13 years old has to be one of the most brilliantly produced earlier YouTube videos I’ve ever seen.)
  • Selebian said:

    You "try and avoid pointless, infantile spats with snarky randoms off the internet"? I fear you may have ended up on the wrong site! :wink:
    Aren’t we all here to discuss ALIENS and AI?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,336
    Carnyx said:

    Oh? Do you self-identify as a furry, then? But then that's what they apparently do thereabouts.

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/jul/17/juliette-by-camille-jourdy-review-an-exquisite-story-of-love-and-loss-in-rural-france
    Furrieboots is thereabouts?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,367

    If you don't mind me asking, what is your waist-to-height ratio?
    Essentially, waist is half my height.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,729

    From their point of view, as long as it works.

    After all, Trump got away - and continues to get away - with presenting himself as the voice of the real people while having shovelled money to himself and his super-rich mates while in office.
    Talking of grifters, the pillow guy is back !

    Mike Lindell says he is 600k pillows away from exposing voter fraud.
    https://twitter.com/HughAkston0/status/1768603529302741045
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,356
    Well(s).

    Armed forces minister James Heappey has announced he will leave his government post and stand down at the next election.

    https://news.sky.com/story/amp/armed-forces-minister-james-heappey-to-stand-down-at-general-election-13095145
  • eekeek Posts: 29,737

    Aren’t we all here to discuss ALIENS and AI?
    AI is why we’ve never seen actual aliens..
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    Well(s).

    Armed forces minister James Heappey has announced he will leave his government post and stand down at the next election.

    https://news.sky.com/story/amp/armed-forces-minister-james-heappey-to-stand-down-at-general-election-13095145

    That's 65 Tories (if you include the 3 sans whip) who are standing down. I reckon we'll top a hundred by Conference.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,073
    Selebian said:

    You "try and avoid pointless, infantile spats with snarky randoms off the internet"? I fear you may have ended up on the wrong site! :wink:
    It’s still on May 2nd till it’s timed out

    Who wants some 🥊
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,729
    JACK_W said:

    Also known as the 1922 Committee ...
    Jack is back, along with the like button.
    A good week on PB.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,073
    kinabalu said:

    I hope we don't see Keir spoofing anything from Love Actually.
    He could do Fever Pitch.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,729
    BREAKING NEWS: Judge Scott McAfee has GRANTED IN PART and DENIED IN PART the motion to disqualify Fulton County DA Fani Willis.

    Bottom line: either Willis steps aside, along with her entire office OR Special Prosecutor Nathan Wade withdraws. A decision must be made, per McAfee.

    https://twitter.com/KatiePhang/status/1768620846808215951
  • TrumanTruman Posts: 279
    No surpise here.
    Putin landslide expected in Russian election as protestors are threatened with imprisonment
    Vladimir Putin is expected to win by a landslide in today’s Russian elections as officials threaten protest voters with imprisonment.

    Kremlin officials have set a target for Putin to win 80 per cent of the vote, his largest election victory ever, and believe they are on track to meet their goal, Meduza reported.

    This comes amid widespread reports of corruption and voter coercion, with Russia’s independent election watchdog publishing a document showing polling officers have been warned to look out for protest voters.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,729
    Who's the prat on WATO explaining that "levelling up means.. levelling up" ?
  • Nigelb said:

    BREAKING NEWS: Judge Scott McAfee has GRANTED IN PART and DENIED IN PART the motion to disqualify Fulton County DA Fani Willis.

    Bottom line: either Willis steps aside, along with her entire office OR Special Prosecutor Nathan Wade withdraws. A decision must be made, per McAfee.

    https://twitter.com/KatiePhang/status/1768620846808215951

    I thought he'd be more Avira
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,336
    How could we give up all that beautiful pageantry?


  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,356
    kinabalu said:

    I hope we don't see Keir spoofing anything from Love Actually.
    Could the Colin Firth-Lúcia Moniz plot work as a way to persuade the public that close relationships with Europe are a good thing?
  • Why have we not considered the chances of an election in June?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,356

    Why have we not considered the chances of an election in June?

    Most of the disadvantages of May, plus the fallout of the local elections. Since this batch were last fought in 2021 (peak vaccine hero Boris), they were set to go badly for the blue team even if things were going well, which they are not.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,797

    Perhaps most interesting is what LLMs tell us about the functioning of our own brains. I think it has surprised many of us that a lot of what we might consider to be reasoning and creativity turns out to be achievable by fundamentally regurgitating what we have previously absorbed. It may be that our own intelligence to closer than comfort to the functioning of an LLM.
    But of course this is right, and this is what so many people - even clever people - are too dim or fearful to comprehend
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,809

    Essentially, waist is half my height.
    Like Kevin Keegan.
  • Leon said:

    But of course this is right, and this is what so many people - even clever people - are too dim or fearful to comprehend

    Did you ever get back with your credentials about why you are worth listening to on AI?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,232
    eek said:

    I don’t see what the problem is - Darlington has 3 motorway junctions for itself within 6 miles (junctions 57-59 of the A1(M)
    J31, J32, J33, J34 (Pretty much a double junction tbh), J35, J35A, J36 of the M1 all in a ~ 15 mile stretch
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,809

    Could the Colin Firth-Lúcia Moniz plot work as a way to persuade the public that close relationships with Europe are a good thing?
    Possibly. But I desperately hope we don't get to test that. I'm happy to consign 'saturday night politics at the palladium' to history along with the bloke who brought us it.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,845
    The EU’s big idea to counter Putin:

    https://x.com/shashj/status/1768539318908227771

    ‘One such proposal suggests a “Eurobomb,” with the nuclear command-and-control suitcase constantly “roaming” between EU capitals.’
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,214

    The EU’s big idea to counter Putin:

    https://x.com/shashj/status/1768539318908227771

    ‘One such proposal suggests a “Eurobomb,” with the nuclear command-and-control suitcase constantly “roaming” between EU capitals.’

    I've got a simpler, lower cost idea.

    I'll provide a nuclear deterrent - quote you happy.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,809

    He could do Fever Pitch.
    The better option, yes, if we really must.
  • TrumanTruman Posts: 279

    Did you ever get back with your credentials about why you are worth listening to on AI?
    Hes watched a few youtube videos. What more do you want.
  • https://x.com/DaleVince/status/1768631827072209060

    You are repeating a lie
    @TiceRichard
    . Guido Fawkes might be based offshore to avoid British law, but you’re not. Your added comments are also false and highly offensive, we’ll be in touch.

    Whomp whomp
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