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At some point, he can't avoid the "do you disagree with what Anderson said, or just how he said it?" question.Scott_xP said:
@NatashaCOnlyLivingBoy said:The Tory line seems to be that Anderson would have been fine if he apologised. Yet Labour's Rochdale candidate, who said something less inflammatory than Anderson did, offered a full apology and was still thrown out. The double standards around Antisemitism and Islamophobia - or perhaps Labour's greater seriousness in dealing with its problems - are quite glaring.
On rounds of local radio this morning, the PM
- Says Lee Anderson's choice of words were "wrong" and "unacceptable" particularly as "tensions are running high"
- denies that the Tory party are islamphobic
- Says he wanted "to take the heat out of this situation"
Richi is just hoping if they stop talking about it people will forget0 -
Have you seen the clip?Jonathan said:
Oh goodness, you've not succumbed toCasino_Royale said:FPT - I can't recall who posted it but whatever you think of Matthew Goodwin that exchange between him and Portillo on GB News was excellent.
A must watch.Fox NewsGBeebies?
Try it. Sometimes even I think Channel4 and The Guardian has a point.0 -
This is the nearest I could find to some stats (ok it was the first google result don't shoot me).
70% vs 9% in what are presumably "normal" times. Edit: 70% Muslim labour voters vs 9% Cons
https://muslimcensus.co.uk/labour-losing-muslim-vote/
No idea of sample sizes, methodology, etc.
It makes Lab's stance on Gaza seem even more "brave". I mean we can rule out them actually holding a sincere position on the matter, can't we.
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There are quite a few other countries / states that I would consider imperialist - including those mentioned by others (although some of them are just colonial projects, such as Canada and Australia, rather than imperial states of their own). The distinction I would make about Britain is that we are, in many ways, the heart of (modern) imperial political thought, with the British model of imperialism being the dominant mode of doing empire (dominant here doesn't just mean the biggest, although it was for a time, but also meaning in a pseudo-evolutionary sense the fittest form that survived). The US Empire, for example, is very similar in form to aspects of the British Empire - not actually directly controlling the land or people's in question, but functionally controlling or making sure that the political class are sympathetic to US policy.bondegezou said:
France retains a larger empire than Britain. Why aren’t they the last imperialist power?malcolmg said:
F*ck Britain I am no part of the made up confection , say what you mean England the last Imperialist power.Foxy said:
Could you say the same about patriotism? Is it wrong to be proud of Britain?JosiasJessop said:
They're not really part of the club though, are they? I mean, I love Williams F1 team, and I love it when they win (which has not been for many, many years, sadly). I'm even friends with someone who, until a few years back, worked for them. I feel good when they do well. But pride? No.DecrepiterJohnL said:
The supporters are part of the club. In fact, supporters are the only unchanging part of the club as managers come and go and players are transferred in and out; even stadia are ephemeral now.JosiasJessop said:
This is something I don't understand with sport. How can you feel pride for a sporting team you support? You are not a member of the team; you do not coach or work for the club. You have contributed nothing to the victory. So how can you feel pride?TheScreamingEagles said:
Oops, knackered from yesterday watching Liverpool's under 12s beat Chelsea first team.DavidL said:The last line of the thread header seems as out of hope as an England cricket team.
Proudest I've ever been about a Liverpool.
(Snip)
You feel pride for things you contribute directly to, *your* achievements. Feeling pride for the achievements of others just makes it look as though you've got f-all to be proud of in reality.
There is also a lot to be said about whether Britain has confronted their role in Empire as much as some other countries - which I would suggest we haven't in mass culture given that most British people still consider the British Empire as a net positive to the world. I had, at one point, considered Germany a good example of a people who looked at their history squarely - but given some rhetoric and state acts since October 7th it seems that the extent of the lessons of the holocaust in Germany (and much of the western world, alas) is that such horrors will never again happen to Jewish people again, but for anyone else it is fine...0 -
Well said Rishi Sunak.0
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That’s a massive drop for Labour . They might get a little back now they’ve moved their position and the Anderson story does help them to re-inforce their support for the Muslim community .TOPPING said:This is the nearest I could find to some stats (ok it was the first google result don't shoot me).
70% vs 9% in what are presumably "normal" times. Edit: 70% Muslim labour voters vs 9% Cons
https://muslimcensus.co.uk/labour-losing-muslim-vote/
No idea of sample sizes, methodology, etc.
It makes Lab's stance on Gaza seem even more "brave". I mean we can rule out them actually holding a sincere position on the matter, can't we.0 -
There is a funny clip of a comedian doing the rounds where he relates how in Australia a lefty (ie all white) coalition is calling for "an end to the occupation".148grss said:
There are quite a few other countries / states that I would consider imperialist - including those mentioned by others (although some of them are just colonial projects, such as Canada and Australia, rather than imperial states of their own). The distinction I would make about Britain is that we are, in many ways, the heart of (modern) imperial political thought, with the British model of imperialism being the dominant mode of doing empire (dominant here doesn't just mean the biggest, although it was for a time, but also meaning in a pseudo-evolutionary sense the fittest form that survived). The US Empire, for example, is very similar in form to aspects of the British Empire - not actually directly controlling the land or people's in question, but functionally controlling or making sure that the political class are sympathetic to US policy.bondegezou said:
France retains a larger empire than Britain. Why aren’t they the last imperialist power?malcolmg said:
F*ck Britain I am no part of the made up confection , say what you mean England the last Imperialist power.Foxy said:
Could you say the same about patriotism? Is it wrong to be proud of Britain?JosiasJessop said:
They're not really part of the club though, are they? I mean, I love Williams F1 team, and I love it when they win (which has not been for many, many years, sadly). I'm even friends with someone who, until a few years back, worked for them. I feel good when they do well. But pride? No.DecrepiterJohnL said:
The supporters are part of the club. In fact, supporters are the only unchanging part of the club as managers come and go and players are transferred in and out; even stadia are ephemeral now.JosiasJessop said:
This is something I don't understand with sport. How can you feel pride for a sporting team you support? You are not a member of the team; you do not coach or work for the club. You have contributed nothing to the victory. So how can you feel pride?TheScreamingEagles said:
Oops, knackered from yesterday watching Liverpool's under 12s beat Chelsea first team.DavidL said:The last line of the thread header seems as out of hope as an England cricket team.
Proudest I've ever been about a Liverpool.
(Snip)
You feel pride for things you contribute directly to, *your* achievements. Feeling pride for the achievements of others just makes it look as though you've got f-all to be proud of in reality.
There is also a lot to be said about whether Britain has confronted their role in Empire as much as some other countries - which I would suggest we haven't in mass culture given that most British people still consider the British Empire as a net positive to the world. I had, at one point, considered Germany a good example of a people who looked at their history squarely - but given some rhetoric and state acts since October 7th it seems that the extent of the lessons of the holocaust in Germany (and much of the western world, alas) is that such horrors will never again happen to Jewish people again, but for anyone else it is fine...0 -
I would think in the honeycomb of reasons voters might not want to vote for Sunak ethnicity would be very low down on the list. That he is obsessed with stopping immigrants coming to the UK when he himself has benefitted from doing just that tells you a lot about his character and that might have an effect. It does with me.Chris said:To be a bit serious, while Sunak doesn't do himself many favours on the likeability front, racism among the white electorate is sure to be playing some part in his unpopularity, and as someone from an Indian Hindu family, he will also be starting with a handicap as far as a significant fraction of the non-white electorate is concerned.
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You are saying that there is an ongoing holocaust in Gaza. Have I got that right.148grss said:
There are quite a few other countries / states that I would consider imperialist - including those mentioned by others (although some of them are just colonial projects, such as Canada and Australia, rather than imperial states of their own). The distinction I would make about Britain is that we are, in many ways, the heart of (modern) imperial political thought, with the British model of imperialism being the dominant mode of doing empire (dominant here doesn't just mean the biggest, although it was for a time, but also meaning in a pseudo-evolutionary sense the fittest form that survived). The US Empire, for example, is very similar in form to aspects of the British Empire - not actually directly controlling the land or people's in question, but functionally controlling or making sure that the political class are sympathetic to US policy.bondegezou said:
France retains a larger empire than Britain. Why aren’t they the last imperialist power?malcolmg said:
F*ck Britain I am no part of the made up confection , say what you mean England the last Imperialist power.Foxy said:
Could you say the same about patriotism? Is it wrong to be proud of Britain?JosiasJessop said:
They're not really part of the club though, are they? I mean, I love Williams F1 team, and I love it when they win (which has not been for many, many years, sadly). I'm even friends with someone who, until a few years back, worked for them. I feel good when they do well. But pride? No.DecrepiterJohnL said:
The supporters are part of the club. In fact, supporters are the only unchanging part of the club as managers come and go and players are transferred in and out; even stadia are ephemeral now.JosiasJessop said:
This is something I don't understand with sport. How can you feel pride for a sporting team you support? You are not a member of the team; you do not coach or work for the club. You have contributed nothing to the victory. So how can you feel pride?TheScreamingEagles said:
Oops, knackered from yesterday watching Liverpool's under 12s beat Chelsea first team.DavidL said:The last line of the thread header seems as out of hope as an England cricket team.
Proudest I've ever been about a Liverpool.
(Snip)
You feel pride for things you contribute directly to, *your* achievements. Feeling pride for the achievements of others just makes it look as though you've got f-all to be proud of in reality.
There is also a lot to be said about whether Britain has confronted their role in Empire as much as some other countries - which I would suggest we haven't in mass culture given that most British people still consider the British Empire as a net positive to the world. I had, at one point, considered Germany a good example of a people who looked at their history squarely - but given some rhetoric and state acts since October 7th it seems that the extent of the lessons of the holocaust in Germany (and much of the western world, alas) is that such horrors will never again happen to Jewish people again, but for anyone else it is fine...0 -
Legally, it's just a part of France overseas, but that's not how the French act towards the Guadeloupians!eek said:
Does it? This time next week I’m off to Guadeloupe (again) and that’s just a part of France albeit overseas.bondegezou said:
France retains a larger empire than Britain. Why aren’t they the last imperialist power?malcolmg said:
F*ck Britain I am no part of the made up confection , say what you mean England the last Imperialist power.Foxy said:
Could you say the same about patriotism? Is it wrong to be proud of Britain?JosiasJessop said:
They're not really part of the club though, are they? I mean, I love Williams F1 team, and I love it when they win (which has not been for many, many years, sadly). I'm even friends with someone who, until a few years back, worked for them. I feel good when they do well. But pride? No.DecrepiterJohnL said:
The supporters are part of the club. In fact, supporters are the only unchanging part of the club as managers come and go and players are transferred in and out; even stadia are ephemeral now.JosiasJessop said:
This is something I don't understand with sport. How can you feel pride for a sporting team you support? You are not a member of the team; you do not coach or work for the club. You have contributed nothing to the victory. So how can you feel pride?TheScreamingEagles said:
Oops, knackered from yesterday watching Liverpool's under 12s beat Chelsea first team.DavidL said:The last line of the thread header seems as out of hope as an England cricket team.
Proudest I've ever been about a Liverpool.
(Snip)
You feel pride for things you contribute directly to, *your* achievements. Feeling pride for the achievements of others just makes it look as though you've got f-all to be proud of in reality.
As my wife commented watching death in paradise last night that’s not my Honoré / Deshaies there’s an empty parking space (because compared to other parts of the Caribbean everyone has a car and finding a parking space is a nightmare).0 -
Same question to many of the 2019 lifelong Cons. Not very many other places to go.nico679 said:
That’s a massive drop for Labour . They might get a little back now they’ve moved their position and the Anderson story does help them to re-inforce their support for the Muslim community .TOPPING said:This is the nearest I could find to some stats (ok it was the first google result don't shoot me).
70% vs 9% in what are presumably "normal" times. Edit: 70% Muslim labour voters vs 9% Cons
https://muslimcensus.co.uk/labour-losing-muslim-vote/
No idea of sample sizes, methodology, etc.
It makes Lab's stance on Gaza seem even more "brave". I mean we can rule out them actually holding a sincere position on the matter, can't we.1 -
I tried to take a look, but could not find it. Some of the stuff coming out of GBeebies is concerning. Lots of cult like conspiracy theory nonsense.Casino_Royale said:
Have you seen the clip?Jonathan said:
Oh goodness, you've not succumbed toCasino_Royale said:FPT - I can't recall who posted it but whatever you think of Matthew Goodwin that exchange between him and Portillo on GB News was excellent.
A must watch.Fox NewsGBeebies?
Try it. Sometimes even I think Channel4 and The Guardian has a point.1 -
This is a familiar problem. They want to say he's bad enough that they kicked him out, but not that he's so bad it taints the party (and looks poor when they re-admit him in a few months).Scott_xP said:
@NatashaCOnlyLivingBoy said:The Tory line seems to be that Anderson would have been fine if he apologised. Yet Labour's Rochdale candidate, who said something less inflammatory than Anderson did, offered a full apology and was still thrown out. The double standards around Antisemitism and Islamophobia - or perhaps Labour's greater seriousness in dealing with its problems - are quite glaring.
On rounds of local radio this morning, the PM
- Says Lee Anderson's choice of words were "wrong" and "unacceptable" particularly as "tensions are running high"
- denies that the Tory party are islamphobic
- Says he wanted "to take the heat out of this situation"
Richi is just hoping if they stop talking about it people will forget0 -
Fag packet: 2m Muslims, 50% adults = 1m. Previously 700k Lab, 90,000 Cons.nico679 said:
That’s a massive drop for Labour . They might get a little back now they’ve moved their position and the Anderson story does help them to re-inforce their support for the Muslim community .TOPPING said:This is the nearest I could find to some stats (ok it was the first google result don't shoot me).
70% vs 9% in what are presumably "normal" times. Edit: 70% Muslim labour voters vs 9% Cons
https://muslimcensus.co.uk/labour-losing-muslim-vote/
No idea of sample sizes, methodology, etc.
It makes Lab's stance on Gaza seem even more "brave". I mean we can rule out them actually holding a sincere position on the matter, can't we.
I don't suppose losing 700k votes is too traumatic for Lab across all constituencies (there will of course be concentrations perhaps someone can do the math to see where).0 -
https://yougov.co.uk/international/articles/28355-how-unique-are-british-attitudes-empire has polling. It does not suggest "that most British people still consider the British Empire as a net positive to the world", although they ask a slightly different question. The Dutch are way ahead of us in their love for Empire. (I am one quarter descended from Dutch colonial rulers.)148grss said:
There are quite a few other countries / states that I would consider imperialist - including those mentioned by others (although some of them are just colonial projects, such as Canada and Australia, rather than imperial states of their own). The distinction I would make about Britain is that we are, in many ways, the heart of (modern) imperial political thought, with the British model of imperialism being the dominant mode of doing empire (dominant here doesn't just mean the biggest, although it was for a time, but also meaning in a pseudo-evolutionary sense the fittest form that survived). The US Empire, for example, is very similar in form to aspects of the British Empire - not actually directly controlling the land or people's in question, but functionally controlling or making sure that the political class are sympathetic to US policy.bondegezou said:
France retains a larger empire than Britain. Why aren’t they the last imperialist power?malcolmg said:
F*ck Britain I am no part of the made up confection , say what you mean England the last Imperialist power.Foxy said:
Could you say the same about patriotism? Is it wrong to be proud of Britain?JosiasJessop said:
They're not really part of the club though, are they? I mean, I love Williams F1 team, and I love it when they win (which has not been for many, many years, sadly). I'm even friends with someone who, until a few years back, worked for them. I feel good when they do well. But pride? No.DecrepiterJohnL said:
The supporters are part of the club. In fact, supporters are the only unchanging part of the club as managers come and go and players are transferred in and out; even stadia are ephemeral now.JosiasJessop said:
This is something I don't understand with sport. How can you feel pride for a sporting team you support? You are not a member of the team; you do not coach or work for the club. You have contributed nothing to the victory. So how can you feel pride?TheScreamingEagles said:
Oops, knackered from yesterday watching Liverpool's under 12s beat Chelsea first team.DavidL said:The last line of the thread header seems as out of hope as an England cricket team.
Proudest I've ever been about a Liverpool.
(Snip)
You feel pride for things you contribute directly to, *your* achievements. Feeling pride for the achievements of others just makes it look as though you've got f-all to be proud of in reality.
There is also a lot to be said about whether Britain has confronted their role in Empire as much as some other countries - which I would suggest we haven't in mass culture given that most British people still consider the British Empire as a net positive to the world. I had, at one point, considered Germany a good example of a people who looked at their history squarely - but given some rhetoric and state acts since October 7th it seems that the extent of the lessons of the holocaust in Germany (and much of the western world, alas) is that such horrors will never again happen to Jewish people again, but for anyone else it is fine...0 -
Um that’s France, they act the same way to people living in the wrong part of Parisbondegezou said:
Legally, it's just a part of France overseas, but that's not how the French act towards the Guadeloupians!eek said:
Does it? This time next week I’m off to Guadeloupe (again) and that’s just a part of France albeit overseas.bondegezou said:
France retains a larger empire than Britain. Why aren’t they the last imperialist power?malcolmg said:
F*ck Britain I am no part of the made up confection , say what you mean England the last Imperialist power.Foxy said:
Could you say the same about patriotism? Is it wrong to be proud of Britain?JosiasJessop said:
They're not really part of the club though, are they? I mean, I love Williams F1 team, and I love it when they win (which has not been for many, many years, sadly). I'm even friends with someone who, until a few years back, worked for them. I feel good when they do well. But pride? No.DecrepiterJohnL said:
The supporters are part of the club. In fact, supporters are the only unchanging part of the club as managers come and go and players are transferred in and out; even stadia are ephemeral now.JosiasJessop said:
This is something I don't understand with sport. How can you feel pride for a sporting team you support? You are not a member of the team; you do not coach or work for the club. You have contributed nothing to the victory. So how can you feel pride?TheScreamingEagles said:
Oops, knackered from yesterday watching Liverpool's under 12s beat Chelsea first team.DavidL said:The last line of the thread header seems as out of hope as an England cricket team.
Proudest I've ever been about a Liverpool.
(Snip)
You feel pride for things you contribute directly to, *your* achievements. Feeling pride for the achievements of others just makes it look as though you've got f-all to be proud of in reality.
As my wife commented watching death in paradise last night that’s not my Honoré / Deshaies there’s an empty parking space (because compared to other parts of the Caribbean everyone has a car and finding a parking space is a nightmare).0 -
Starmer is also no Kinnock and doesn't scare off swing voters in the same way.
The next general election would also be an unprecedented 5th consecutive Tory win whereas 1992 was only a 4th consecutive Tory win2 -
I'm trying to save him from himself. Just like those calling out "Bliar" it is political naivety which doesn't really belong on PB. Searing political insight it is not.Nigelb said:1 -
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Russia and China specificallykamski said:
Hold on, if France, Britain, Russia, China and Indonesia are imperialist powers, then why not the US? Or Canada, Australia, India, Pakistan, Brazil, Mexico, I mean you could make a long list of big countries...Foxy said:
Russia, China, Java all say say hold my beer...bondegezou said:
France retains a larger empire than Britain. Why aren’t they the last imperialist power?malcolmg said:
F*ck Britain I am no part of the made up confection , say what you mean England the last Imperialist power.Foxy said:
Could you say the same about patriotism? Is it wrong to be proud of Britain?JosiasJessop said:
They're not really part of the club though, are they? I mean, I love Williams F1 team, and I love it when they win (which has not been for many, many years, sadly). I'm even friends with someone who, until a few years back, worked for them. I feel good when they do well. But pride? No.DecrepiterJohnL said:
The supporters are part of the club. In fact, supporters are the only unchanging part of the club as managers come and go and players are transferred in and out; even stadia are ephemeral now.JosiasJessop said:
This is something I don't understand with sport. How can you feel pride for a sporting team you support? You are not a member of the team; you do not coach or work for the club. You have contributed nothing to the victory. So how can you feel pride?TheScreamingEagles said:
Oops, knackered from yesterday watching Liverpool's under 12s beat Chelsea first team.DavidL said:The last line of the thread header seems as out of hope as an England cricket team.
Proudest I've ever been about a Liverpool.
(Snip)
You feel pride for things you contribute directly to, *your* achievements. Feeling pride for the achievements of others just makes it look as though you've got f-all to be proud of in reality.
1) hold onto a variety of sub countries/cultures by force.
2) suppress those cultures with extreme violence.
3) treat the members of those cultures as third class citizens.
4) are deliberately extinguishing their culture differences0 -
Thing is that you need a seat to have lots of Muslim voters and be at least a bit marginal for it to matter. There are a few seats like that (Peterborough is one) but not many.TOPPING said:
Fag packet: 2m Muslims, 50% adults = 1m. Previously 700k Lab, 90,000 Cons.nico679 said:
That’s a massive drop for Labour . They might get a little back now they’ve moved their position and the Anderson story does help them to re-inforce their support for the Muslim community .TOPPING said:This is the nearest I could find to some stats (ok it was the first google result don't shoot me).
70% vs 9% in what are presumably "normal" times. Edit: 70% Muslim labour voters vs 9% Cons
https://muslimcensus.co.uk/labour-losing-muslim-vote/
No idea of sample sizes, methodology, etc.
It makes Lab's stance on Gaza seem even more "brave". I mean we can rule out them actually holding a sincere position on the matter, can't we.
I don't suppose losing 700k votes is too traumatic for Lab across all constituencies (there will of course be concentrations perhaps someone can do the math to see where).0 -
Erm...
Trump on himself: "There's no cognitive problem. If there was, I'd know about it."
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/17614850649724969484 -
In the dystopian nightmare in which we currently reside "Richi" gives us hard of thinking non-Tories a chuckle every now and again. Harmless fun, harmless fun.TOPPING said:Can we institute a petition to stop @Scott_xP doing his "Richi" thing which is fucking irritating and provokes the same response in thinking people as it does towards those using "Bliar", "Liebour" et al.
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I may be diehard Remoaner, but yes, that gets my vote.TOPPING said:Can we institute a petition to stop @Scott_xP doing his "Richi" thing which is fucking irritating and provokes the same response in thinking people as it does towards those using "Bliar", "Liebour" et al.
'Richi' is a rather puerile insult when there is so much about the man to genuinely criticise. See also Bad Enoch.0 -
That's quite funny. My mother whatsapped me yesterday saying she thought she was losing her mind. At 93 she is forgetting stuff and not keeping track of detail (remembers the dress she wore 60 years ago to a party but not what she had for breakfast, etc..).Nigelb said:Erm...
Trump on himself: "There's no cognitive problem. If there was, I'd know about it."
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1761485064972496948
I said to her don't worry. If you really were losing your mind you wouldn't think you were losing your mind.4 -
I could care less.Benpointer said:
I may be diehard Remoaner, but yes, that gets my vote.TOPPING said:Can we institute a petition to stop @Scott_xP doing his "Richi" thing which is fucking irritating and provokes the same response in thinking people as it does towards those using "Bliar", "Liebour" et al.
'Richi' is a rather puerile insult when there is so much about the man to genuinely criticise. See also Bad Enoch.
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I miss the days of Brittas and Keith Stormer. Even Prime Ministers joined in, Sir Crasheroonie snoozefest and Sir Softie were works of genius.TOPPING said:
I'm trying to save him from himself. Just like those calling out "Bliar" it is political naivety which doesn't really belong on PB. Searing political insight it is not.Nigelb said:
Free speech rocks!0 -
Do you, personally, live in a dystopian nightmare or are you talking on behalf of your fellow Brits.Mexicanpete said:
In the dystopian nightmare in which we currently reside "Richi" gives us hard of thinking non-Tories a chuckle every now and again. Harmless fun, harmless fun.TOPPING said:Can we institute a petition to stop @Scott_xP doing his "Richi" thing which is fucking irritating and provokes the same response in thinking people as it does towards those using "Bliar", "Liebour" et al.
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Cruella. Or is that merely a factual observation?Benpointer said:
I may be diehard Remoaner, but yes, that gets my vote.TOPPING said:Can we institute a petition to stop @Scott_xP doing his "Richi" thing which is fucking irritating and provokes the same response in thinking people as it does towards those using "Bliar", "Liebour" et al.
'Richi' is a rather puerile insult when there is so much about the man to genuinely criticise. See also Bad Enoch.0 -
Baroness Warsi lays into Kemi Badenoch after Badenoch decided the best way to handle the situation was to quibble over words:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-68400238?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=65dc4ec557c60b5283ad3b83&Government dragged its heels on tackling this form of racism - Baroness Warsi&2024-02-26T08:58:21.823Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:2a773035-86a6-4d81-b800-43e530820913&pinned_post_asset_id=65dc4ec557c60b5283ad3b83&pinned_post_type=share
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Also, it doesn't appear that they are losing the votes to the Tories - the LAB/Con split is still 8:1.TOPPING said:
Fag packet: 2m Muslims, 50% adults = 1m. Previously 700k Lab, 90,000 Cons.nico679 said:
That’s a massive drop for Labour . They might get a little back now they’ve moved their position and the Anderson story does help them to re-inforce their support for the Muslim community .TOPPING said:This is the nearest I could find to some stats (ok it was the first google result don't shoot me).
70% vs 9% in what are presumably "normal" times. Edit: 70% Muslim labour voters vs 9% Cons
https://muslimcensus.co.uk/labour-losing-muslim-vote/
No idea of sample sizes, methodology, etc.
It makes Lab's stance on Gaza seem even more "brave". I mean we can rule out them actually holding a sincere position on the matter, can't we.
I don't suppose losing 700k votes is too traumatic for Lab across all constituencies (there will of course be concentrations perhaps someone can do the math to see where).
If there were an election tomorrow, our participants responded:
40% – Will not vote
21% – Independent
17% – Green Party
10% – Liberal Democrat
4.9% – SNP
4.8% – Labour
0.6% – Conservative
3.5% – Other
PS: And no way do I believe there was an 88% turnout amongst that group in 2019 - false memory at work there.0 -
Actually, you've swayed me with that one. Free speech rocks!Mexicanpete said:
Cruella. Or is that merely a factual observation?Benpointer said:
I may be diehard Remoaner, but yes, that gets my vote.TOPPING said:Can we institute a petition to stop @Scott_xP doing his "Richi" thing which is fucking irritating and provokes the same response in thinking people as it does towards those using "Bliar", "Liebour" et al.
'Richi' is a rather puerile insult when there is so much about the man to genuinely criticise. See also Bad Enoch.1 -
Trump compares migrants to Hannibal Lecter
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1761476214512820422
He sounds more than slightly gaga.
Didn't seem to wake up the crowd.0 -
Had it been intended as a gag it's actually quite funny.Nigelb said:Erm...
Trump on himself: "There's no cognitive problem. If there was, I'd know about it."
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/17614850649724969480 -
Apart from wearing a jacket he's indistinguishable from Tommy Robinson. If that floats your boat good luck to youCasino_Royale said:FPT - I can't recall who posted it but whatever you think of Matthew Goodwin that exchange between him and Portillo on GB News was excellent.
A must watch.0 -
I'm sorry I tried to gag @Scott_twat it is his absolute right to make an idiot of himself at any and every point on PB.1
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Sure, but I don't think *France* and *Britain* are really doing all 4 of those very much these days. Certainly less than India, for example.Malmesbury said:A
Russia and China specificallykamski said:
Hold on, if France, Britain, Russia, China and Indonesia are imperialist powers, then why not the US? Or Canada, Australia, India, Pakistan, Brazil, Mexico, I mean you could make a long list of big countries...Foxy said:
Russia, China, Java all say say hold my beer...bondegezou said:
France retains a larger empire than Britain. Why aren’t they the last imperialist power?malcolmg said:
F*ck Britain I am no part of the made up confection , say what you mean England the last Imperialist power.Foxy said:
Could you say the same about patriotism? Is it wrong to be proud of Britain?JosiasJessop said:
They're not really part of the club though, are they? I mean, I love Williams F1 team, and I love it when they win (which has not been for many, many years, sadly). I'm even friends with someone who, until a few years back, worked for them. I feel good when they do well. But pride? No.DecrepiterJohnL said:
The supporters are part of the club. In fact, supporters are the only unchanging part of the club as managers come and go and players are transferred in and out; even stadia are ephemeral now.JosiasJessop said:
This is something I don't understand with sport. How can you feel pride for a sporting team you support? You are not a member of the team; you do not coach or work for the club. You have contributed nothing to the victory. So how can you feel pride?TheScreamingEagles said:
Oops, knackered from yesterday watching Liverpool's under 12s beat Chelsea first team.DavidL said:The last line of the thread header seems as out of hope as an England cricket team.
Proudest I've ever been about a Liverpool.
(Snip)
You feel pride for things you contribute directly to, *your* achievements. Feeling pride for the achievements of others just makes it look as though you've got f-all to be proud of in reality.
1) hold onto a variety of sub countries/cultures by force.
2) suppress those cultures with extreme violence.
3) treat the members of those cultures as third class citizens.
4) are deliberately extinguishing their culture differences0 -
Crumbling schools, a failing NHS, children unable to access dental care, ex-servicemen living in Halfords tents, a housing crisis and a rise in mortgage defaults. Move along, nothing to see.TOPPING said:
Do you, personally, live in a dystopian nightmare or are you talking on behalf of your fellow Brits.Mexicanpete said:
In the dystopian nightmare in which we currently reside "Richi" gives us hard of thinking non-Tories a chuckle every now and again. Harmless fun, harmless fun.TOPPING said:Can we institute a petition to stop @Scott_xP doing his "Richi" thing which is fucking irritating and provokes the same response in thinking people as it does towards those using "Bliar", "Liebour" et al.
My own dystopian nightmare is my business.0 -
So someone else's dystopian nightmare, of which you have no experience. Reminds me of this from, presumably, the other end of the political spectrum.Mexicanpete said:
Crumbling schools, a failing NHS, children unable to access dental care, ex-servicemen living in Halfords tents, a housing crisis and a rise in mortgage defaults. Move along, nothing to see.TOPPING said:
Do you, personally, live in a dystopian nightmare or are you talking on behalf of your fellow Brits.Mexicanpete said:
In the dystopian nightmare in which we currently reside "Richi" gives us hard of thinking non-Tories a chuckle every now and again. Harmless fun, harmless fun.TOPPING said:Can we institute a petition to stop @Scott_xP doing his "Richi" thing which is fucking irritating and provokes the same response in thinking people as it does towards those using "Bliar", "Liebour" et al.
My own dystopian nightmare is my business.
https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/man-claims-hius-life-being-ruined-by-immigration-but-cant-explain-how-20170227122932
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I approve of this plan. My kids are all grown up, I don't want to spend time trying to not fall off my mountain bike surrounded by other peoples kids. Give them July.dixiedean said:I approve of this plan.
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2024/feb/26/school-summer-holidays-half-term-england-calendar-nuffield-foundation-report
No chance of it being implemented today?0 -
Air Force man sets himself on fire outside Israeli embassy in Washington DC
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68398479
A member of the US Air Force is in a critical condition after setting himself on fire in front of the Israeli embassy in Washington.
Officers from the US Secret Service extinguished the flames before the man was taken to hospital on Sunday afternoon with serious injuries.
The US Air Force confirmed an active-duty serviceman was involved but he has not been identified.
The police, the Secret Service and other authorities are investigating.
In a video that was live streamed on Twitch, the man identified himself and said he was a serving member of the Air Force.
Before setting himself on fire, he said he would "no longer be complicit in genocide" and he was heard shouting "Free Palestine" as he burned..0 -
I think a 1992 style result is actually less of a chance than a complete Tory collapse - it feels to me there is still significant risk that they could leach further votes to Reform.
Indeed there is still a chance there could be a Tory-Reform crossover, in my view.0 -
People will however vote based on how they feel. Since public services are in such fine fettle, the economy booming, and everybody's finances looking rosy, the Tories will no doubt be returned with an increased majority.TOPPING said:
So someone else's dystopian nightmare, of which you have no experience. Reminds me of this from, presumably, the other end of the political spectrum.Mexicanpete said:
Crumbling schools, a failing NHS, children unable to access dental care, ex-servicemen living in Halfords tents, a housing crisis and a rise in mortgage defaults. Move along, nothing to see.TOPPING said:
Do you, personally, live in a dystopian nightmare or are you talking on behalf of your fellow Brits.Mexicanpete said:
In the dystopian nightmare in which we currently reside "Richi" gives us hard of thinking non-Tories a chuckle every now and again. Harmless fun, harmless fun.TOPPING said:Can we institute a petition to stop @Scott_xP doing his "Richi" thing which is fucking irritating and provokes the same response in thinking people as it does towards those using "Bliar", "Liebour" et al.
My own dystopian nightmare is my business.
https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/man-claims-hius-life-being-ruined-by-immigration-but-cant-explain-how-20170227122932
One has to wonder at the generosity of Sunak: delaying the election to give Labour time to claw back a bit of support.2 -
FT report from Rochdale: https://www.ft.com/content/fc541a7f-4af2-4532-8915-e5d8262f3550
Suggests a very low turnout is in the offing!0 -
Yep, that's my view.numbertwelve said:I think a 1992 style result is actually less of a chance than a complete Tory collapse - it feels to me there is still significant risk that they could leach further votes to Reform.
Indeed there is still a chance there could be a Tory-Reform crossover, in my view.
Such major political upheavals are extremely rare with our FPTP system, only occurring about once every 100 years or so. The last time was... oh, about 100 years ago.0 -
The video - apparently made my himself and others - is utterly horrendous. NSFWNigelb said:Air Force man sets himself on fire outside Israeli embassy in Washington DC
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68398479
A member of the US Air Force is in a critical condition after setting himself on fire in front of the Israeli embassy in Washington.
Officers from the US Secret Service extinguished the flames before the man was taken to hospital on Sunday afternoon with serious injuries.
The US Air Force confirmed an active-duty serviceman was involved but he has not been identified.
The police, the Secret Service and other authorities are investigating.
In a video that was live streamed on Twitch, the man identified himself and said he was a serving member of the Air Force.
Before setting himself on fire, he said he would "no longer be complicit in genocide" and he was heard shouting "Free Palestine" as he burned..0 -
Regarding the possibility of a May election.
At the weekend I received a leaflet from my local Conservative councillor, the first since he was elected in 2022.
The weekend prior, I received a leaflet from a "list" Conservative MSP, the first since he was elected in 2021.0 -
I think the Tories feel that they can't lose that badly. But their latest idea that actually the polls are completely wrong does not suggest to me that they think they need to do anything to make a come back.Benpointer said:
Yep, that's my view.numbertwelve said:I think a 1992 style result is actually less of a chance than a complete Tory collapse - it feels to me there is still significant risk that they could leach further votes to Reform.
Indeed there is still a chance there could be a Tory-Reform crossover, in my view.
Such major political upheavals are extremely rare with our FPTP system, only occurring about once every 100 years or so. The last time was... oh, about 100 years ago.0 -
If Trump's word salad got a tiny fraction of the "Biden is gaga!" media coverage, even the MAGA faithful would start to have doubts...Nigelb said:Trump compares migrants to Hannibal Lecter
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1761476214512820422
He sounds more than slightly gaga.
Didn't seem to wake up the crowd.0 -
The fact everyone is skirting round 30p Lee to pretend he can return to the Tory party and doesn’t need to join reform instantly tells you a lotnumbertwelve said:I think a 1992 style result is actually less of a chance than a complete Tory collapse - it feels to me there is still significant risk that they could leach further votes to Reform.
Indeed there is still a chance there could be a Tory-Reform crossover, in my view.1 -
They at least treat their colonies decently.bondegezou said:
France retains a larger empire than Britain. Why aren’t they the last imperialist power?malcolmg said:
F*ck Britain I am no part of the made up confection , say what you mean England the last Imperialist power.Foxy said:
Could you say the same about patriotism? Is it wrong to be proud of Britain?JosiasJessop said:
They're not really part of the club though, are they? I mean, I love Williams F1 team, and I love it when they win (which has not been for many, many years, sadly). I'm even friends with someone who, until a few years back, worked for them. I feel good when they do well. But pride? No.DecrepiterJohnL said:
The supporters are part of the club. In fact, supporters are the only unchanging part of the club as managers come and go and players are transferred in and out; even stadia are ephemeral now.JosiasJessop said:
This is something I don't understand with sport. How can you feel pride for a sporting team you support? You are not a member of the team; you do not coach or work for the club. You have contributed nothing to the victory. So how can you feel pride?TheScreamingEagles said:
Oops, knackered from yesterday watching Liverpool's under 12s beat Chelsea first team.DavidL said:The last line of the thread header seems as out of hope as an England cricket team.
Proudest I've ever been about a Liverpool.
(Snip)
You feel pride for things you contribute directly to, *your* achievements. Feeling pride for the achievements of others just makes it look as though you've got f-all to be proud of in reality.1 -
Indeed, and I think they can lose that badly.AverageNinja said:
I think the Tories feel that they can't lose that badly. But their latest idea that actually the polls are completely wrong does not suggest to me that they think they need to do anything to make a come back.Benpointer said:
Yep, that's my view.numbertwelve said:I think a 1992 style result is actually less of a chance than a complete Tory collapse - it feels to me there is still significant risk that they could leach further votes to Reform.
Indeed there is still a chance there could be a Tory-Reform crossover, in my view.
Such major political upheavals are extremely rare with our FPTP system, only occurring about once every 100 years or so. The last time was... oh, about 100 years ago.
They are seen as being incompetent, pretty much across every area of government. At what point do voters on the right actually say, I want right wing policies but the Tories are too incompetent to deliver them. Where do those voters go? A number on the centre right have already gone to Labour. The others must surely be looking to Reform now.
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While this, the subject of the Muslim vote, is interesting and non trivial, the truly pragmatic issue is different. All elections are won from the centre, because to win an election Tories need the votes of social democrats who often vote Labour, and Labour need the votes of one nation liberal democrats who often vote Tory.Stuartinromford said:
Thing is that you need a seat to have lots of Muslim voters and be at least a bit marginal for it to matter. There are a few seats like that (Peterborough is one) but not many.TOPPING said:
Fag packet: 2m Muslims, 50% adults = 1m. Previously 700k Lab, 90,000 Cons.nico679 said:
That’s a massive drop for Labour . They might get a little back now they’ve moved their position and the Anderson story does help them to re-inforce their support for the Muslim community .TOPPING said:This is the nearest I could find to some stats (ok it was the first google result don't shoot me).
70% vs 9% in what are presumably "normal" times. Edit: 70% Muslim labour voters vs 9% Cons
https://muslimcensus.co.uk/labour-losing-muslim-vote/
No idea of sample sizes, methodology, etc.
It makes Lab's stance on Gaza seem even more "brave". I mean we can rule out them actually holding a sincere position on the matter, can't we.
I don't suppose losing 700k votes is too traumatic for Lab across all constituencies (there will of course be concentrations perhaps someone can do the math to see where).
The great majority of seats are not swung either way by the votes of the Muslim voters. That's pure arithmetic + demography.
So the reality is that the important question is this: What is the current centrist/swing voter position in relation to Palestine, Hamas, Israel, Israel's government, antisemitism and islamophobia, and violence/threats within the UK related to any and all of these.
IMHO this has shifted a bit. To about this:
Hamas and Israel's government: against (a big shift)
Ordinary people in Israel and Palestine: support (a big shift)
antisemitism: against
islamophobia: against. But centrist opinion is much less trusting of Islamic voices in the UK than Jewish ones.
Political/religious violence in UK: absolutely against; with Islam/Islamism seen as a real threat, and Judaism a zero threat.
Assess all politics by approximately this template, but DYOR.
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You forgot delays at the passport office and empty stalls on Castleford market.Mexicanpete said:
Crumbling schools, a failing NHS, children unable to access dental care, ex-servicemen living in Halfords tents, a housing crisis and a rise in mortgage defaults. Move along, nothing to see.TOPPING said:
Do you, personally, live in a dystopian nightmare or are you talking on behalf of your fellow Brits.Mexicanpete said:
In the dystopian nightmare in which we currently reside "Richi" gives us hard of thinking non-Tories a chuckle every now and again. Harmless fun, harmless fun.TOPPING said:Can we institute a petition to stop @Scott_xP doing his "Richi" thing which is fucking irritating and provokes the same response in thinking people as it does towards those using "Bliar", "Liebour" et al.
My own dystopian nightmare is my business.
Plus a myriad of other things which may or may not exist and don't affect you but which you might have read something about in the last ten years.0 -
Mark Harper's plans to spend oodles of HS2 money on local transport, starting in 2025, is yet another addition to the long list of things that the Tories intend to do when they are no longer in power.3
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The passport office is only a problem if you have lost your old passport - as I reported back in December Mrs Eek had her new passport on Thursday morning having filled the form on Sunday and posted the old one off Monday afternoonanother_richard said:
You forgot delays at the passport office and empty stalls on Castleford market.Mexicanpete said:
Crumbling schools, a failing NHS, children unable to access dental care, ex-servicemen living in Halfords tents, a housing crisis and a rise in mortgage defaults. Move along, nothing to see.TOPPING said:
Do you, personally, live in a dystopian nightmare or are you talking on behalf of your fellow Brits.Mexicanpete said:
In the dystopian nightmare in which we currently reside "Richi" gives us hard of thinking non-Tories a chuckle every now and again. Harmless fun, harmless fun.TOPPING said:Can we institute a petition to stop @Scott_xP doing his "Richi" thing which is fucking irritating and provokes the same response in thinking people as it does towards those using "Bliar", "Liebour" et al.
My own dystopian nightmare is my business.
Plus a myriad of other things which may or may not exist and don't affect you but which you might have read something about in the last ten years.0 -
Hard to see past Galloway in this one. His supporters are keen, nobody else is. Even the 1.55 on Betfair looks value.bondegezou said:FT report from Rochdale: https://www.ft.com/content/fc541a7f-4af2-4532-8915-e5d8262f3550
Suggests a very low turnout is in the offing!
What impact his return will have is hard to judge. It makes a good media story and reminds people of Labour's problem there. But I'm not sure it has much traction - he is too egocentric to bother to set up a national movement and nobody else well-knpwn seems interested.0 -
Ah. Did they use the c- word anywhere? Can't claim to be the Ruth Davidson says No party any more.No_Offence_Alan said:Regarding the possibility of a May election.
At the weekend I received a leaflet from my local Conservative councillor, the first since he was elected in 2022.
The weekend prior, I received a leaflet from a "list" Conservative MSP, the first since he was elected in 2021.0 -
No chance of May.No_Offence_Alan said:Regarding the possibility of a May election.
At the weekend I received a leaflet from my local Conservative councillor, the first since he was elected in 2022.
The weekend prior, I received a leaflet from a "list" Conservative MSP, the first since he was elected in 2021.
No chance of Reform out-polling the Tories.
The Budget is going to be a tax-cutting proppa Tory budget the likes of which we haven't seen this Parliament. Reform has nothing to offer. Nothing.
Second half of 2024 will see Labour and the Tories both polling in the 30's.0 -
A crossover is very unlikely this side of an election. Institutional and voter inertia is a powerful thing.numbertwelve said:I think a 1992 style result is actually less of a chance than a complete Tory collapse - it feels to me there is still significant risk that they could leach further votes to Reform.
Indeed there is still a chance there could be a Tory-Reform crossover, in my view.
However, the chance of a major realignment after the election is quite realistic; that realignment could take a number of different forms, with Reform directly replacing the Tories being one of the less likely.0 -
Is it any worse than the, oh so comical, Bad Enoch or GBeebies.TOPPING said:
I'm trying to save him from himself. Just like those calling out "Bliar" it is political naivety which doesn't really belong on PB. Searing political insight it is not.Nigelb said:
It’s infantile and puerile.
It is a pity, unlike twitter,you cannot block posts with certain words.0 -
Ha ha. No. Just no.malcolmg said:
They at least treat their colonies decently.bondegezou said:
France retains a larger empire than Britain. Why aren’t they the last imperialist power?malcolmg said:
F*ck Britain I am no part of the made up confection , say what you mean England the last Imperialist power.Foxy said:
Could you say the same about patriotism? Is it wrong to be proud of Britain?JosiasJessop said:
They're not really part of the club though, are they? I mean, I love Williams F1 team, and I love it when they win (which has not been for many, many years, sadly). I'm even friends with someone who, until a few years back, worked for them. I feel good when they do well. But pride? No.DecrepiterJohnL said:
The supporters are part of the club. In fact, supporters are the only unchanging part of the club as managers come and go and players are transferred in and out; even stadia are ephemeral now.JosiasJessop said:
This is something I don't understand with sport. How can you feel pride for a sporting team you support? You are not a member of the team; you do not coach or work for the club. You have contributed nothing to the victory. So how can you feel pride?TheScreamingEagles said:
Oops, knackered from yesterday watching Liverpool's under 12s beat Chelsea first team.DavidL said:The last line of the thread header seems as out of hope as an England cricket team.
Proudest I've ever been about a Liverpool.
(Snip)
You feel pride for things you contribute directly to, *your* achievements. Feeling pride for the achievements of others just makes it look as though you've got f-all to be proud of in reality.1 -
I would normally agree re the inertia. But I am not entirely convinced, if the Tories have a bad campaign and more people become aware of Reform, that they would be able to stem the flow in that situation.david_herdson said:
A crossover is very unlikely this side of an election. Institutional and voter inertia is a powerful thing.numbertwelve said:I think a 1992 style result is actually less of a chance than a complete Tory collapse - it feels to me there is still significant risk that they could leach further votes to Reform.
Indeed there is still a chance there could be a Tory-Reform crossover, in my view.
However, the chance of a major realignment after the election is quite realistic; that realignment could take a number of different forms, with Reform directly replacing the Tories being one of the less likely.
It’s a change election. That benefits Labour, but it also potentially benefits others filling the right wing space.0 -
Military personnel 'to quit' over housing rules
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68398359
Conservatives, strong on defence since 2025.1 -
Indeed. New Caledonia says “Bonjour”Malmesbury said:
Ha ha. No. Just no.malcolmg said:
They at least treat their colonies decently.bondegezou said:
France retains a larger empire than Britain. Why aren’t they the last imperialist power?malcolmg said:
F*ck Britain I am no part of the made up confection , say what you mean England the last Imperialist power.Foxy said:
Could you say the same about patriotism? Is it wrong to be proud of Britain?JosiasJessop said:
They're not really part of the club though, are they? I mean, I love Williams F1 team, and I love it when they win (which has not been for many, many years, sadly). I'm even friends with someone who, until a few years back, worked for them. I feel good when they do well. But pride? No.DecrepiterJohnL said:
The supporters are part of the club. In fact, supporters are the only unchanging part of the club as managers come and go and players are transferred in and out; even stadia are ephemeral now.JosiasJessop said:
This is something I don't understand with sport. How can you feel pride for a sporting team you support? You are not a member of the team; you do not coach or work for the club. You have contributed nothing to the victory. So how can you feel pride?TheScreamingEagles said:
Oops, knackered from yesterday watching Liverpool's under 12s beat Chelsea first team.DavidL said:The last line of the thread header seems as out of hope as an England cricket team.
Proudest I've ever been about a Liverpool.
(Snip)
You feel pride for things you contribute directly to, *your* achievements. Feeling pride for the achievements of others just makes it look as though you've got f-all to be proud of in reality.0 -
How, all reports show that Hunt has about £8-12bn max to play with and a lot of that will be spent ensuring petrol and diesel duty isn’t increasedMarqueeMark said:
No chance of May.No_Offence_Alan said:Regarding the possibility of a May election.
At the weekend I received a leaflet from my local Conservative councillor, the first since he was elected in 2022.
The weekend prior, I received a leaflet from a "list" Conservative MSP, the first since he was elected in 2021.
No chance of Reform out-polling the Tories.
The Budget is going to be a tax-cutting proppa Tory budget the likes of which we haven't seen this Parliament. Reform has nothing to offer. Nothing.
Second half of 2024 will see Labour and the Tories both polling in the 30's.1 -
I binned the one from the MSP. The local one says who it is from.Carnyx said:
Ah. Did they use the c- word anywhere? Can't claim to be the Ruth Davidson says No party any more.No_Offence_Alan said:Regarding the possibility of a May election.
At the weekend I received a leaflet from my local Conservative councillor, the first since he was elected in 2022.
The weekend prior, I received a leaflet from a "list" Conservative MSP, the first since he was elected in 2021.1 -
More outrageous techno-doomerism from the Spec
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/ai-just-exploded-again/0 -
...
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I agree with all of that, although I'd expand the last point on political/religious violence to note that people are also aware of far right political violence.algarkirk said:
While this, the subject of the Muslim vote, is interesting and non trivial, the truly pragmatic issue is different. All elections are won from the centre, because to win an election Tories need the votes of social democrats who often vote Labour, and Labour need the votes of one nation liberal democrats who often vote Tory.Stuartinromford said:
Thing is that you need a seat to have lots of Muslim voters and be at least a bit marginal for it to matter. There are a few seats like that (Peterborough is one) but not many.TOPPING said:
Fag packet: 2m Muslims, 50% adults = 1m. Previously 700k Lab, 90,000 Cons.nico679 said:
That’s a massive drop for Labour . They might get a little back now they’ve moved their position and the Anderson story does help them to re-inforce their support for the Muslim community .TOPPING said:This is the nearest I could find to some stats (ok it was the first google result don't shoot me).
70% vs 9% in what are presumably "normal" times. Edit: 70% Muslim labour voters vs 9% Cons
https://muslimcensus.co.uk/labour-losing-muslim-vote/
No idea of sample sizes, methodology, etc.
It makes Lab's stance on Gaza seem even more "brave". I mean we can rule out them actually holding a sincere position on the matter, can't we.
I don't suppose losing 700k votes is too traumatic for Lab across all constituencies (there will of course be concentrations perhaps someone can do the math to see where).
The great majority of seats are not swung either way by the votes of the Muslim voters. That's pure arithmetic + demography.
So the reality is that the important question is this: What is the current centrist/swing voter position in relation to Palestine, Hamas, Israel, Israel's government, antisemitism and islamophobia, and violence/threats within the UK related to any and all of these.
IMHO this has shifted a bit. To about this:
Hamas and Israel's government: against (a big shift)
Ordinary people in Israel and Palestine: support (a big shift)
antisemitism: against
islamophobia: against. But centrist opinion is much less trusting of Islamic voices in the UK than Jewish ones.
Political/religious violence in UK: absolutely against; with Islam/Islamism seen as a real threat, and Judaism a zero threat.
Assess all politics by approximately this template, but DYOR.0 -
More free advertising for an unknown Spectator columnist.Leon said:More outrageous techno-doomerism from the Spec
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/ai-just-exploded-again/1 -
The Spectator must be the most profitable rag in Fleet Street since it replaced all its writers with AI (assuming the editor believes what he prints).Leon said:More outrageous techno-doomerism from the Spec
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/ai-just-exploded-again/1 -
We would have loved a 2 week half term; we went up to Howarth for the week, and it would've been great to be able to do that over the "middle weekend" with a few days at home either side.Foxy said:
But not longer half terms mid winter surely?OldKingCole said:I’d write ‘Good Morning’ but it’s grey and overcast, and India have just beaten England. that result was of course to be expected!
I quite like the suggestion for longer half terms. They have them at the school where my grandson teaches and it seems to be good for him, and his family.
And families need a decent summer break to be able to get away all together.
I have always thought the South African system where provinces stagger their school holidays a good method. It makes their resorts less crowded and is better for both vacationers and for their domestic tourist industry.
Is there any need for Devon and Leics to have the same time off?
However, I also understand that longer half terms can be a nightmare for working (especially single) parents, so I'm happy with the status quo.0 -
I agree a low turnout is better for Galloway, but I still don't believe it. I already have a bet on this election (that implies a Labour win). Labour is value at 3. Bettors are too dazzled by Galloway's past.NickPalmer said:
Hard to see past Galloway in this one. His supporters are keen, nobody else is. Even the 1.55 on Betfair looks value.bondegezou said:FT report from Rochdale: https://www.ft.com/content/fc541a7f-4af2-4532-8915-e5d8262f3550
Suggests a very low turnout is in the offing!
What impact his return will have is hard to judge. It makes a good media story and reminds people of Labour's problem there. But I'm not sure it has much traction - he is too egocentric to bother to set up a national movement and nobody else well-knpwn seems interested.0 -
Eventually PB will be a series of bots shouting at each other. Occasionally one particularly outrageous bot will pretend to flout or get banned but then come back with a new name and the exact same posting style
Truly dystopian0 -
Simpler - Trans Gay Illegal Immigrant Alien AIs are stealing your job and your country.Leon said:
AI could mechanise your PB output in about 3 minutesScott_xP said:...
“Bang on about Brexit”
“Say Richi instead of Rishi”
“Occasionally mention sports or general politics.
But in a slightly boring way”
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TOPPING said:
Can we institute a petition to stop @Scott_xP doing his "Richi" thing which is fucking irritating and provokes the same response in thinking people as it does towards those using "Bliar", "Liebour" et al.
As long as we can carry on saying Rishi Rich then that's fine.TOPPING said:Can we institute a petition to stop @Scott_xP doing his "Richi" thing which is fucking irritating and provokes the same response in thinking people as it does towards those using "Bliar", "Liebour" et al.
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Just for youLeon said:Eventually PB will be a series of bots shouting at each other. Occasionally one particularly outrageous bot will pretend to flout or get banned but then come back with a new name and the exact same posting style
Truly dystopian
Clarkson, the presenter of Clarkson’s Farm and The Grand Tour for Amazon Prime, said that the complaint fell apart when activists used what3words, the geocode location app, to pinpoint where the alleged wrongdoing took place.
Sawyer said that she used what3words because the police were “obsessed” with the app, but that its accuracy “can be a bit off” with a poor phone signal.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jeremy-clarkson-hunt-saboteurs-farm-badger-sett-claims-cjdkjb0lf0 -
And yet that particular writer is eerily prescientDecrepiterJohnL said:
The Spectator must be the most profitable rag in Fleet Street since it replaced all its writers with AI (assuming the editor believes what he prints).Leon said:More outrageous techno-doomerism from the Spec
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/ai-just-exploded-again/
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/ai-is-the-end-of-writing/
The comments below are nearly all skeptical. Often extremely so, and full of chortling. Here we are, one year later…
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My guess is it was so intended. But who can know?Benpointer said:
Had it been intended as a gag it's actually quite funny.Nigelb said:Erm...
Trump on himself: "There's no cognitive problem. If there was, I'd know about it."
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1761485064972496948
If he's indistinguishable, that says more about the observer than the objectRoger said:
Apart from wearing a jacket he's indistinguishable from Tommy Robinson. If that floats your boat good luck to youCasino_Royale said:FPT - I can't recall who posted it but whatever you think of Matthew Goodwin that exchange between him and Portillo on GB News was excellent.
A must watch.
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Keighley. The Muslim voters in Keighley counterbalance the Poshos in Ilkley.Stuartinromford said:
Thing is that you need a seat to have lots of Muslim voters and be at least a bit marginal for it to matter. There are a few seats like that (Peterborough is one) but not many.TOPPING said:
Fag packet: 2m Muslims, 50% adults = 1m. Previously 700k Lab, 90,000 Cons.nico679 said:
That’s a massive drop for Labour . They might get a little back now they’ve moved their position and the Anderson story does help them to re-inforce their support for the Muslim community .TOPPING said:This is the nearest I could find to some stats (ok it was the first google result don't shoot me).
70% vs 9% in what are presumably "normal" times. Edit: 70% Muslim labour voters vs 9% Cons
https://muslimcensus.co.uk/labour-losing-muslim-vote/
No idea of sample sizes, methodology, etc.
It makes Lab's stance on Gaza seem even more "brave". I mean we can rule out them actually holding a sincere position on the matter, can't we.
I don't suppose losing 700k votes is too traumatic for Lab across all constituencies (there will of course be concentrations perhaps someone can do the math to see where).0 -
Chelsea’s average age was lower than Liverpool’s even with all the young kids on at the end.Foxy said:
Could you say the same about patriotism? Is it wrong to be proud of Britain?JosiasJessop said:
They're not really part of the club though, are they? I mean, I love Williams F1 team, and I love it when they win (which has not been for many, many years, sadly). I'm even friends with someone who, until a few years back, worked for them. I feel good when they do well. But pride? No.DecrepiterJohnL said:
The supporters are part of the club. In fact, supporters are the only unchanging part of the club as managers come and go and players are transferred in and out; even stadia are ephemeral now.JosiasJessop said:
This is something I don't understand with sport. How can you feel pride for a sporting team you support? You are not a member of the team; you do not coach or work for the club. You have contributed nothing to the victory. So how can you feel pride?TheScreamingEagles said:
Oops, knackered from yesterday watching Liverpool's under 12s beat Chelsea first team.DavidL said:The last line of the thread header seems as out of hope as an England cricket team.
Proudest I've ever been about a Liverpool.
(Snip)
You feel pride for things you contribute directly to, *your* achievements. Feeling pride for the achievements of others just makes it look as though you've got f-all to be proud of in reality.
Narrative rules ok
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@Leon I'm fascinated by the finances of stuff I know nothing about. Do you get paid a shed load for each article or are there dozens more that you don't link to here? I think I get the novel writing. I didn't get the finances of travel writing until I asked you here and you provided the details - Thanks. But I don't get the article writing. I understand how a celebrity like Boris gets a lot for say a one weekly article because he is paid for his name and there are other less well known people knocking out columns daily, but can you make a living doing occasional stuff or do you have to combine it with other stuff. Typically what is your weekly output and are you doing this in parallel with writing another novel?Leon said:More outrageous techno-doomerism from the Spec
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It feels more like John Major's assertions that the polls were wrong in the run-up to 1997.AverageNinja said:
I think the Tories feel that they can't lose that badly. But their latest idea that actually the polls are completely wrong does not suggest to me that they think they need to do anything to make a come back.Benpointer said:
Yep, that's my view.numbertwelve said:I think a 1992 style result is actually less of a chance than a complete Tory collapse - it feels to me there is still significant risk that they could leach further votes to Reform.
Indeed there is still a chance there could be a Tory-Reform crossover, in my view.
Such major political upheavals are extremely rare with our FPTP system, only occurring about once every 100 years or so. The last time was... oh, about 100 years ago.
Immediately after the election he said something along the lines of "Well, we knew they weren't wrong, but there was nothing else we could do, was there?"
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I was at a railway station the other week and they used what3words on a poster to show you where the rail-replacement bus service was running from. I felt proud and informed because I knew what it was (from here).Scott_xP said:
Just for youLeon said:Eventually PB will be a series of bots shouting at each other. Occasionally one particularly outrageous bot will pretend to flout or get banned but then come back with a new name and the exact same posting style
Truly dystopian
Clarkson, the presenter of Clarkson’s Farm and The Grand Tour for Amazon Prime, said that the complaint fell apart when activists used what3words, the geocode location app, to pinpoint where the alleged wrongdoing took place.
Sawyer said that she used what3words because the police were “obsessed” with the app, but that its accuracy “can be a bit off” with a poor phone signal.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jeremy-clarkson-hunt-saboteurs-farm-badger-sett-claims-cjdkjb0lf0 -
You haven't seen it either then, and have no intention of doing so.Roger said:
Apart from wearing a jacket he's indistinguishable from Tommy Robinson. If that floats your boat good luck to youCasino_Royale said:FPT - I can't recall who posted it but whatever you think of Matthew Goodwin that exchange between him and Portillo on GB News was excellent.
A must watch.0 -
CONFESSION!Leon said:Eventually PB will be a series of bots shouting at each other. Occasionally one particularly outrageous bot will pretend to flout or get banned but then come back with a new name and the exact same posting style
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I found it. I watched it. 🤷Casino_Royale said:
You haven't seen it either then, and have no intention of doing so.Roger said:
Apart from wearing a jacket he's indistinguishable from Tommy Robinson. If that floats your boat good luck to youCasino_Royale said:FPT - I can't recall who posted it but whatever you think of Matthew Goodwin that exchange between him and Portillo on GB News was excellent.
A must watch.0 -
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Would rather the money went to rebuilding schools and employing staff in the NHS to be honest.eek said:
How, all reports show that Hunt has about £8-12bn max to play with and a lot of that will be spent ensuring petrol and diesel duty isn’t increasedMarqueeMark said:
No chance of May.No_Offence_Alan said:Regarding the possibility of a May election.
At the weekend I received a leaflet from my local Conservative councillor, the first since he was elected in 2022.
The weekend prior, I received a leaflet from a "list" Conservative MSP, the first since he was elected in 2021.
No chance of Reform out-polling the Tories.
The Budget is going to be a tax-cutting proppa Tory budget the likes of which we haven't seen this Parliament. Reform has nothing to offer. Nothing.
Second half of 2024 will see Labour and the Tories both polling in the 30's.0 -
A pity the slogan isn't Get America Great Again.MarqueeMark said:
If Trump's word salad got a tiny fraction of the "Biden is gaga!" media coverage, even the MAGA faithful would start to have doubts...Nigelb said:Trump compares migrants to Hannibal Lecter
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1761476214512820422
He sounds more than slightly gaga.
Didn't seem to wake up the crowd.0 -
On the Rochdale byelection, it isn't just turnout as a percentage, it is *who* turns out. Galloway's team claim they will have gone to every door 3 times. Which is impressive! But I can only imagine what kind of reaction they would get in the white areas of the town with their "For Gaza, For Rochdale" message.
I have read some brilliant reportage, with people bemoaning that they live in "a shithole" and what does Gaza have to do with them. I can image a large turnout by various young British Asians, a smaller turnout from their community elders voting for Ali, and perhaps some of the townships voting for Danczuk.
Anyone can win! Except the Tory who went on holiday to somewhere nicer, or the LibDems who started too late and too far behind.0 -
You’d have to ask the actual authorkjh said:
@Leon I'm fascinated by the finances of stuff I know nothing about. Do you get paid a shed load for each article or are there dozens more that you don't link to here? I think I get the novel writing. I didn't get the finances of travel writing until I asked you here and you provided the details - Thanks. But I don't get the article writing. I understand how a celebrity like Boris gets a lot for say a one weekly article because he is paid for his name and there are other less well known people knocking out columns daily, but can you make a living doing occasional stuff or do you have to combine it with other stuff. Typically what is your weekly output and are you doing this in parallel with writing another novel?Leon said:More outrageous techno-doomerism from the Spec
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/ai-just-exploded-again/
Tho given that his articles nearly always enter the top 5 “most read” - like that one - and often reach the top, I presume his editors are happy, hence they keep taking his ideas (often shamelessly stolen from here, let it be said)0 -
I think Lab at 3 on BFx is value.NickPalmer said:
Hard to see past Galloway in this one. His supporters are keen, nobody else is. Even the 1.55 on Betfair looks value.bondegezou said:FT report from Rochdale: https://www.ft.com/content/fc541a7f-4af2-4532-8915-e5d8262f3550
Suggests a very low turnout is in the offing!
What impact his return will have is hard to judge. It makes a good media story and reminds people of Labour's problem there. But I'm not sure it has much traction - he is too egocentric to bother to set up a national movement and nobody else well-knpwn seems interested.
There are a lot of low information voters out there, and while the Lab candidate is person non-grata, he is still Lab on the ballot, and being anti-semitic may not count that much against him.0 -
We were staying up in Howarth last week and got a Tory leaflet while we were there.SandyRentool said:
Keighley. The Muslim voters in Keighley counterbalance the Poshos in Ilkley.Stuartinromford said:
Thing is that you need a seat to have lots of Muslim voters and be at least a bit marginal for it to matter. There are a few seats like that (Peterborough is one) but not many.TOPPING said:
Fag packet: 2m Muslims, 50% adults = 1m. Previously 700k Lab, 90,000 Cons.nico679 said:
That’s a massive drop for Labour . They might get a little back now they’ve moved their position and the Anderson story does help them to re-inforce their support for the Muslim community .TOPPING said:This is the nearest I could find to some stats (ok it was the first google result don't shoot me).
70% vs 9% in what are presumably "normal" times. Edit: 70% Muslim labour voters vs 9% Cons
https://muslimcensus.co.uk/labour-losing-muslim-vote/
No idea of sample sizes, methodology, etc.
It makes Lab's stance on Gaza seem even more "brave". I mean we can rule out them actually holding a sincere position on the matter, can't we.
I don't suppose losing 700k votes is too traumatic for Lab across all constituencies (there will of course be concentrations perhaps someone can do the math to see where).
1. It didn't mention the conservatives or prominently feature any logo
2. It did mention Rishi Sunak which was a surprise
3. It had some Labour-attack copy. It was so badly put together that a quick glance suggested that Starmer was going to give everyone £2,000 unless you read the details.1 -
Haven't thousands of postal ballots been returned before Labour dropped Mr Ali?RochdalePioneers said:On the Rochdale byelection, it isn't just turnout as a percentage, it is *who* turns out. Galloway's team claim they will have gone to every door 3 times. Which is impressive! But I can only imagine what kind of reaction they would get in the white areas of the town with their "For Gaza, For Rochdale" message.
I have read some brilliant reportage, with people bemoaning that they live in "a shithole" and what does Gaza have to do with them. I can image a large turnout by various young British Asians, a smaller turnout from their community elders voting for Ali, and perhaps some of the townships voting for Danczuk.
Anyone can win! Except the Tory who went on holiday to somewhere nicer, or the LibDems who started too late and too far behind.
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I don't know the author to ask him but I believe you bump into him a lot so have probably exchanged thoughts.Leon said:
You’d have to ask the actual authorkjh said:
@Leon I'm fascinated by the finances of stuff I know nothing about. Do you get paid a shed load for each article or are there dozens more that you don't link to here? I think I get the novel writing. I didn't get the finances of travel writing until I asked you here and you provided the details - Thanks. But I don't get the article writing. I understand how a celebrity like Boris gets a lot for say a one weekly article because he is paid for his name and there are other less well known people knocking out columns daily, but can you make a living doing occasional stuff or do you have to combine it with other stuff. Typically what is your weekly output and are you doing this in parallel with writing another novel?Leon said:More outrageous techno-doomerism from the Spec
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/ai-just-exploded-again/
Tho given that his articles nearly always enter the top 5 “most read” - like that one - and often reach the top, I presume his editors are happy, hence they keep taking his ideas (often shamelessly stolen from here, let it be said)
Is this his bread and butter stuff while doing longer term projects or is this his main job? How does he split work between this and travel writing and other stuff? Is he writing another novel currently or even doing some other long term project? Does his travel writing (or anything else) appear elsewhere eg in promotional stuff?0 -
They never learn do they? Do some local radio, PM. It'll be a breeze etc etc.
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Rishi Sunak definitely not enjoying this great interrogation by Scott Dalton on Radio Lincolnshire.1
