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It is painful. They're in danger of acquiring the same habit as their footballing equivalents - always finding a way to come up short in tournaments.TheScreamingEagles said:I don’t swear much but I reckon 95% of the times I do swear it involves the England rugby team.
But anyway, on topic, I suppose it's not impossible for the far right fruit loops to poll above the hard right fruit loops at some point, but it still seems unlikely.0 -
Feyi-Aboso is Welsh - born & bred in Cardiff. But he chose the dark side...Leon said:England have some talented youngsters, this Scottish kid Finn Smith, nice, Feyi-Aboso, get Marcus Smith back, and somehow Henry Arundell, suddenly we look more piercing
But this game is lost to the genius of Van Der Merwe0 -
Why do England keep getting beat by South Africans?0
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Ford and Lawrence handed the game to Scotlandtheenglishborn said:
Without the handling errors that might have been interesting. They lost all confidence after a good start. Think Lawrence was rushed back too soon never seen him play quite so badly.Leon said:Lamentable errors from England, deserved win for Scotland - van der Merwe is a tremendous talent
I said Scotland by 10! They did it by 9
No one is going to stop Ireland
Lawrence must never return - it was that bad; put Ford on the bench
And so passes another mediocre 6 Nations for England. They've not won a Slam since 2016. With the strength in depth they possess, that is really poor0 -
I think you will find it is the mps actions and words themselves, rather than anything to do with Sunak who is carrying the canLuckyguy1983 said:0 -
Classic last sentence in that header - perfect.0
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I'm a not-quite fluent speaker of Scots (the Ulster dialect, in my case), and have had similar experiences with being able to close my eyes and catch the drift of Afrikaans conversationCarnyx said:
Friend of mine from the Borders went out to RSA. Found he could, if he relaxed, understand what the local Afrikaners were saying about the rooinek (ie him) in front of him.TheScreamingEagles said:Fuck's sake.
Duhan van der Merwe is a proper Scottish name.
...but rather than "rooinek", my (Afrikaans!) ex and I were most often referred to as "die Engels", which earned a rebuke of "hou jou bek!" - which means something like "shut up, you!" but is a slightly glorious false friend for the Ulster-Scots "hau' yer bake"2 -
And barely scraped a win over Wales at home, Wales who just got crushed by Irelandpigeon said:
Because they're not very good.Jonathan said:Why do England keep getting beat by South Africans?
This is a team that nearly lost to Italy. Ireland will pulverise them.
England are a middling team with a depressingly poor coach
There is talent there, but it needs a genius coach to make it work. That ain't Borthwick0 -
@cathynewman
Former @Conservatives chairwoman @SayeedaWarsi tells me on @Channel4News
that @LeeAndersonMP_ @SuellaBraverman & @trussliz should find another party because she says their rhetoric is dividing the party and the country.4 -
I think my predictions were a bit better than yours today. I predicted Ireland and Scotland would win by wider margins than you, and so it wasPenddu2 said:
Feyi-Aboso is Welsh - born & bred in Cardiff. But he chose the dark side...Leon said:England have some talented youngsters, this Scottish kid Finn Smith, nice, Feyi-Aboso, get Marcus Smith back, and somehow Henry Arundell, suddenly we look more piercing
But this game is lost to the genius of Van Der Merwe
Nonetheless you now have 8/8 correct 6N predictions. Bravo! And it will surely be 9/9 by end of play tomorrow
Can you call every single match correctly in a whole 6N campaign?! If you do, PB should collectively buy you a bottle of your favourite wine1 -
You won't find me arguing against the notion that Tory MPs are a very rum bunch, but I also think that politics is largely decided on bread and butter issues. Rishi has squandered his chance to turn around the British economy and reverse the decline in standards of living. That is what threatens to condemn the Tories to electoral extinction, not the fact that some of them like flashing and tractor porn.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I think you will find it is the mps actions and words themselves, rather than anything to do with Sunak who is carrying the canLuckyguy1983 said:1 -
I doubt that the crazies feel the need to go off in a huff. They'll just wait until after the election and then drive out what's left of the centre right, in not dissimilar fashion to the manner in which the Europhiles walked towards the end of the Brexit Wars in Parliament.Big_G_NorthWales said:
They should leave and join Reform as that is the party for these divisive attitudesAlsoLei said:
The Tories have been playing a dangerous game here.HYUFD said:
If your main concern is Islamophobia you are almost certainly already voting Labour, LD, Green, SNP or even Galloway not Conservative anyway.eek said:The Tory party may respond calmly but I suspect the typical Tory MP will be in panic mode..
But the problem the Tory party has now is how do you attract the Reform Islamophobic vote without scaring more moderate votes away...
I should suspect much of the Jewish vote not just the hardcore Leaver vote would agree with Anderson too, that doesn't mean he was right to say it though of course
Sarah Hall tried it in October, when she claimed that some of the Jewish community are "frightened" of Khan. That earned her a rebuke from the Board of Deputies, who went on to say that Khan had always treated Jewish communities "with friendship and respect".
Then there was the 'Sadiq Khan says the quiet part out loud' selectively-edited video posted on Twitter by the official @Conservatives account, and leading Tory figures' repeated refusals to apologise for spreading misinformation.
And now Lee Anderson, previously the Tory Deputy Chair.
The reality is that Khan has constantly spoken in favour of Jewish Londoners and their interests, and against not just antisemitism but also anti-Zionism and BDS. He's been a frequent visitor to Jewish community projects, has taken part in Jewish festivals, and has instructed the MPS to take a zero-tolerance approach to antisemitic hate crimes.
The "Jewish vote" isn't really a thing - Jews aren't a monolithic bloc. Traditionalist, conservative Jews tend to lean Tory and liberal, secular Jews tend to vote Labour... but, as ever, the words "tend to" are doing a lot of work, and cover a great deal of complexity.
I know plenty of liberal Jewish people who would not have voted for Corbyn's Labour party at a general election, but who have always been entirely relaxed about Khan as mayor. I won't pretend that they're a particularly representative bunch - but then, who is?
What is for certain is that trying to tar Khan with an antisemitic brush is untrue, unfair, and deeply unpleasant.
And whilst Islamophobia may not be at the top of many Tory voters' list of concerns, neither do many (hopefully most!) of them want to be associated with Islamophobes or Islamophobia. Hall and Anderson's behaviour is just as likely to drive decent Conservatives (© Big_G_NorthWales) away as it is to attract the nuttier end of Refukers.
The Tory membership is small in number, elderly and extremely right wing. Once Sunak has walked they'll install the most radical option available to replace him as leader. Probably Braverman.0 -
Dutch is half English, so it's not surprising.AlsoLei said:
I'm a not-quite fluent speaker of Scots (the Ulster dialect, in my case), and have had similar experiences with being able to close my eyes and catch the drift of Afrikaans conversationCarnyx said:
Friend of mine from the Borders went out to RSA. Found he could, if he relaxed, understand what the local Afrikaners were saying about the rooinek (ie him) in front of him.TheScreamingEagles said:Fuck's sake.
Duhan van der Merwe is a proper Scottish name.
...but rather than "rooinek", my (Afrikaans!) ex and I were most often referred to as "die Engels", which earned a rebuke of "hou jou bek!" - which means something like "shut up, you!" but is a slightly glorious false friend for the Ulster-Scots "hau' yer bake"1 -
These neo right wingers aren’t conservatives.Scott_xP said:@cathynewman
Former @Conservatives chairwoman @SayeedaWarsi tells me on @Channel4News
that @LeeAndersonMP_ @SuellaBraverman & @trussliz should find another party because she says their rhetoric is dividing the party and the country.0 -
Truss tried, crashed the economy in 6 weeks, and handed the biggest gift ever presented to an opposition party that they will feed on to GE 24 and for years to comeLuckyguy1983 said:
You won't find me arguing against the notion that Tory MPs are a very rum bunch, but I also think that politics is largely decided on bread and butter issues. Rishi has squandered his chance to turn around the British economy and reverse the decline in standards of living. That is what threatens to condemn the Tories to electoral extinction, not the fact that some of them like flashing and tractor porn.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I think you will find it is the mps actions and words themselves, rather than anything to do with Sunak who is carrying the canLuckyguy1983 said:2 -
Good to see Mick backing Starmer.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/24/mick-lynch-says-voters-must-grow-up-and-see-starmer-is-only-alternative4 -
Someone in that bunch should certainly find another party. I believe the Lib Dems would be suitable.Scott_xP said:@cathynewman
Former @Conservatives chairwoman @SayeedaWarsi tells me on @Channel4News
that @LeeAndersonMP_ @SuellaBraverman & @trussliz should find another party because she says their rhetoric is dividing the party and the country.0 -
BJO please explainJonathan said:Good to see Mick backing Starmer.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/24/mick-lynch-says-voters-must-grow-up-and-see-starmer-is-only-alternative4 -
Truss’ railing against the deep state as an excuse for her own breathtaking incompetence should be embarrassingly pathetic , unfortunately is not because there are a mob of armchair warriors that actually believe her nonsense.Luckyguy1983 said:
Someone in that bunch should certainly find another party. I believe the Lib Dems would be suitable.Scott_xP said:@cathynewman
Former @Conservatives chairwoman @SayeedaWarsi tells me on @Channel4News
that @LeeAndersonMP_ @SuellaBraverman & @trussliz should find another party because she says their rhetoric is dividing the party and the country.0 -
Both things should happen: Alt-right nutjobs to RefUK; One Nation types off to the LibDems. Then we can give the Conservative Party a peaceful burial and leave it to history.Luckyguy1983 said:
Someone in that bunch should certainly find another party. I believe the Lib Dems would be suitable.Scott_xP said:@cathynewman
Former @Conservatives chairwoman @SayeedaWarsi tells me on @Channel4News
that @LeeAndersonMP_ @SuellaBraverman & @trussliz should find another party because she says their rhetoric is dividing the party and the country.0 -
David Henig 🇺🇦Jonathan said:
These neo right wingers aren’t conservatives.Scott_xP said:@cathynewman
Former @Conservatives chairwoman @SayeedaWarsi tells me on @Channel4News
that @LeeAndersonMP_ @SuellaBraverman & @trussliz should find another party because she says their rhetoric is dividing the party and the country.
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The Conservative Party will need to decide if it is closer to Ruth Davidson or Lee Anderson in attitudes. I have a pretty good idea which of these would be more popular outside of the GB News / Telegraph anti-woke bubble.0 -
Very far from a ringing endorsement - basically, he's using the only good reason that Labour itself will be able to present at the election, which is that they're Not Tories.Jonathan said:Good to see Mick backing Starmer.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/24/mick-lynch-says-voters-must-grow-up-and-see-starmer-is-only-alternative
It won't be very long after the election before various unions in public transport and the public sector discover that Labour's attitude to their wage demands is functionally identical to that of the Tories - in brief, there's only enough money to feather bed pensioners, the rest of you can f*** off - and then we'll be back to endless waves of bloody strikes again.0 -
HY can be the last Conservative standingBenpointer said:
Both things should happen: Alt-right nutjobs to RefUK; One Nation types off to the LibDems. Then we can give the Conservative Party a peaceful burial and leave it to history.Luckyguy1983 said:
Someone in that bunch should certainly find another party. I believe the Lib Dems would be suitable.Scott_xP said:@cathynewman
Former @Conservatives chairwoman @SayeedaWarsi tells me on @Channel4News
that @LeeAndersonMP_ @SuellaBraverman & @trussliz should find another party because she says their rhetoric is dividing the party and the country.0 -
I see Labour MPs are getting the same treatment as the Tories in Walsall and Stoke, and from the same people
"Anneliese Dodds MP, Labour Party’s chair heckled by her constituents outside the Party fundraiser she hosted last night"
https://x.com/NewhamIndParty/status/1761391035161235899?s=20
Meanwhile the "same people" have just shut Tower Bridge
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He is a classic Reform candidateSandyRentool said:
HY can be the last Conservative standingBenpointer said:
Both things should happen: Alt-right nutjobs to RefUK; One Nation types off to the LibDems. Then we can give the Conservative Party a peaceful burial and leave it to history.Luckyguy1983 said:
Someone in that bunch should certainly find another party. I believe the Lib Dems would be suitable.Scott_xP said:@cathynewman
Former @Conservatives chairwoman @SayeedaWarsi tells me on @Channel4News
that @LeeAndersonMP_ @SuellaBraverman & @trussliz should find another party because she says their rhetoric is dividing the party and the country.0 -
I hope the libdems wouldn't touch them with a bargepole!...I think I'd welcome Nick Clegg back first!!Luckyguy1983 said:
Someone in that bunch should certainly find another party. I believe the Lib Dems would be suitable.Scott_xP said:@cathynewman
Former @Conservatives chairwoman @SayeedaWarsi tells me on @Channel4News
that @LeeAndersonMP_ @SuellaBraverman & @trussliz should find another party because she says their rhetoric is dividing the party and the country.
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It’s about time decent conservatives stood up and grabbed the initiative back from the neo right. It’s good to hear someone calling out their dangerous nonsense from within their movement, before they lose it altogether.Benpointer said:
Both things should happen: Alt-right nutjobs to RefUK; One Nation types off to the LibDems. Then we can give the Conservative Party a peaceful burial and leave it to history.Luckyguy1983 said:
Someone in that bunch should certainly find another party. I believe the Lib Dems would be suitable.Scott_xP said:@cathynewman
Former @Conservatives chairwoman @SayeedaWarsi tells me on @Channel4News
that @LeeAndersonMP_ @SuellaBraverman & @trussliz should find another party because she says their rhetoric is dividing the party and the country.1 -
She's a profoundly confused individual.Jonathan said:
Truss’ railing against the deep state as an excuse for her own breathtaking incompetence should be embarrassingly pathetic , unfortunately is not because there are a mob of armchair warriors that actually believe her nonsense.Luckyguy1983 said:
Someone in that bunch should certainly find another party. I believe the Lib Dems would be suitable.Scott_xP said:@cathynewman
Former @Conservatives chairwoman @SayeedaWarsi tells me on @Channel4News
that @LeeAndersonMP_ @SuellaBraverman & @trussliz should find another party because she says their rhetoric is dividing the party and the country.
A ultra free market lover and advocate who seems also at same time to be against globalisation and trade that damages national markets.
Somehow she got into Oxford. I'd love to see her defend her position at one of their tutorials.
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Three female politicians have been given taxpayer-funded bodyguards and cars amid growing concerns about MPs’ safety.
The women have had their security upgraded after a risk assessment was carried out with support from a secretive organisation tasked with providing protection for the most prominent members of the government and the royal family.
The Sunday Times is not naming the MPs. They include representatives of the Conservative and Labour parties.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/three-female-mps-get-taxpayer-funded-bodyguards-over-safety-fears-llqhgz7zk0 -
Closer to say English is half Dutch surely?Luckyguy1983 said:
Dutch is half English, so it's not surprising.AlsoLei said:
I'm a not-quite fluent speaker of Scots (the Ulster dialect, in my case), and have had similar experiences with being able to close my eyes and catch the drift of Afrikaans conversationCarnyx said:
Friend of mine from the Borders went out to RSA. Found he could, if he relaxed, understand what the local Afrikaners were saying about the rooinek (ie him) in front of him.TheScreamingEagles said:Fuck's sake.
Duhan van der Merwe is a proper Scottish name.
...but rather than "rooinek", my (Afrikaans!) ex and I were most often referred to as "die Engels", which earned a rebuke of "hou jou bek!" - which means something like "shut up, you!" but is a slightly glorious false friend for the Ulster-Scots "hau' yer bake"4 -
The bubble is where at least half the MPs and the bulk of the fossil party membership is though. So we are all stuck with their extreme attitudes.rottenborough said:
David Henig 🇺🇦Jonathan said:
These neo right wingers aren’t conservatives.Scott_xP said:@cathynewman
Former @Conservatives chairwoman @SayeedaWarsi tells me on @Channel4News
that @LeeAndersonMP_ @SuellaBraverman & @trussliz should find another party because she says their rhetoric is dividing the party and the country.
@DavidHenigUK
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8h
The Conservative Party will need to decide if it is closer to Ruth Davidson or Lee Anderson in attitudes. I have a pretty good idea which of these would be more popular outside of the GB News / Telegraph anti-woke bubble.
They know perfectly well that all they need to do once they've assumed total control of their party is to wait for Labour to fail, and our Buggins' Turn system will return them to Government.0 -
Robert Peston
@Peston
I’m not sure there is any way back into the Tory party for Lee Anderson even if he wants it (which is not clear). One influential Conservative right winger said: “Lee crossed a line. The chief whip was right to kick him out. The frustration is that the kind of comments made by Lee makes it much harder for the rest of us to conduct a serious debate about how we combat extremism”
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Are people supporting Reform UK because they like the look of them, or is it more that they’re dissatisfied with the Conservatives and casting around for an alternative?darkage said:
The only issue is that they take a significant number of voters with them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
They should leave and join Reform as that is the party for these divisive attitudesAlsoLei said:
The Tories have been playing a dangerous game here.HYUFD said:
If your main concern is Islamophobia you are almost certainly already voting Labour, LD, Green, SNP or even Galloway not Conservative anyway.eek said:The Tory party may respond calmly but I suspect the typical Tory MP will be in panic mode..
But the problem the Tory party has now is how do you attract the Reform Islamophobic vote without scaring more moderate votes away...
I should suspect much of the Jewish vote not just the hardcore Leaver vote would agree with Anderson too, that doesn't mean he was right to say it though of course
Sarah Hall tried it in October, when she claimed that some of the Jewish community are "frightened" of Khan. That earned her a rebuke from the Board of Deputies, who went on to say that Khan had always treated Jewish communities "with friendship and respect".
Then there was the 'Sadiq Khan says the quiet part out loud' selectively-edited video posted on Twitter by the official @Conservatives account, and leading Tory figures' repeated refusals to apologise for spreading misinformation.
And now Lee Anderson, previously the Tory Deputy Chair.
The reality is that Khan has constantly spoken in favour of Jewish Londoners and their interests, and against not just antisemitism but also anti-Zionism and BDS. He's been a frequent visitor to Jewish community projects, has taken part in Jewish festivals, and has instructed the MPS to take a zero-tolerance approach to antisemitic hate crimes.
The "Jewish vote" isn't really a thing - Jews aren't a monolithic bloc. Traditionalist, conservative Jews tend to lean Tory and liberal, secular Jews tend to vote Labour... but, as ever, the words "tend to" are doing a lot of work, and cover a great deal of complexity.
I know plenty of liberal Jewish people who would not have voted for Corbyn's Labour party at a general election, but who have always been entirely relaxed about Khan as mayor. I won't pretend that they're a particularly representative bunch - but then, who is?
What is for certain is that trying to tar Khan with an antisemitic brush is untrue, unfair, and deeply unpleasant.
And whilst Islamophobia may not be at the top of many Tory voters' list of concerns, neither do many (hopefully most!) of them want to be associated with Islamophobes or Islamophobia. Hall and Anderson's behaviour is just as likely to drive decent Conservatives (© Big_G_NorthWales) away as it is to attract the nuttier end of Refukers.0 -
Annelise Dodds is clearly one, judging by that video belowTheScreamingEagles said:Three female politicians have been given taxpayer-funded bodyguards and cars amid growing concerns about MPs’ safety.
The women have had their security upgraded after a risk assessment was carried out with support from a secretive organisation tasked with providing protection for the most prominent members of the government and the royal family.
The Sunday Times is not naming the MPs. They include representatives of the Conservative and Labour parties.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/three-female-mps-get-taxpayer-funded-bodyguards-over-safety-fears-llqhgz7zk
Irony of ironies. The Labour party is eating itself0 -
Although every game so far has been won by the favourites.Leon said:
I think my predictions were a bit better than yours today. I predicted Ireland and Scotland would win by wider margins than you, and so it wasPenddu2 said:
Feyi-Aboso is Welsh - born & bred in Cardiff. But he chose the dark side...Leon said:England have some talented youngsters, this Scottish kid Finn Smith, nice, Feyi-Aboso, get Marcus Smith back, and somehow Henry Arundell, suddenly we look more piercing
But this game is lost to the genius of Van Der Merwe
Nonetheless you now have 8/8 correct 6N predictions. Bravo! And it will surely be 9/9 by end of play tomorrow
Can you call every single match correctly in a whole 6N campaign?! If you do, PB should collectively buy you a bottle of your favourite wine0 -
Though that didn't quite work out for Labour members when they twice elected Corbyn leader, albeit he nearly did it in 2017 when he got a hung parliamentpigeon said:
The bubble is where at least half the MPs and the bulk of the fossil party membership is though. So we are all stuck with their extreme attitudes.rottenborough said:
David Henig 🇺🇦Jonathan said:
These neo right wingers aren’t conservatives.Scott_xP said:@cathynewman
Former @Conservatives chairwoman @SayeedaWarsi tells me on @Channel4News
that @LeeAndersonMP_ @SuellaBraverman & @trussliz should find another party because she says their rhetoric is dividing the party and the country.
@DavidHenigUK
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8h
The Conservative Party will need to decide if it is closer to Ruth Davidson or Lee Anderson in attitudes. I have a pretty good idea which of these would be more popular outside of the GB News / Telegraph anti-woke bubble.
They know perfectly well that all they need to do once they've assumed total control of their party is to wait for Labour to fail, and our Buggins' Turn system will return them to Government.0 -
One Nation traditional conservatives are also not Lib Dems anymore than they are ReformSandyRentool said:
HY can be the last Conservative standingBenpointer said:
Both things should happen: Alt-right nutjobs to RefUK; One Nation types off to the LibDems. Then we can give the Conservative Party a peaceful burial and leave it to history.Luckyguy1983 said:
Someone in that bunch should certainly find another party. I believe the Lib Dems would be suitable.Scott_xP said:@cathynewman
Former @Conservatives chairwoman @SayeedaWarsi tells me on @Channel4News
that @LeeAndersonMP_ @SuellaBraverman & @trussliz should find another party because she says their rhetoric is dividing the party and the country.0 -
The skill in rugby betting is beating the handicap, not predicting the winners.turbotubbs said:
Although every game so far has been won by the favourites.Leon said:
I think my predictions were a bit better than yours today. I predicted Ireland and Scotland would win by wider margins than you, and so it wasPenddu2 said:
Feyi-Aboso is Welsh - born & bred in Cardiff. But he chose the dark side...Leon said:England have some talented youngsters, this Scottish kid Finn Smith, nice, Feyi-Aboso, get Marcus Smith back, and somehow Henry Arundell, suddenly we look more piercing
But this game is lost to the genius of Van Der Merwe
Nonetheless you now have 8/8 correct 6N predictions. Bravo! And it will surely be 9/9 by end of play tomorrow
Can you call every single match correctly in a whole 6N campaign?! If you do, PB should collectively buy you a bottle of your favourite wine1 -
(...the Hyufdsignal appears in the night sky...)Big_G_NorthWales said:
If so then that may have to happendarkage said:
The only issue is that they take a significant number of voters with them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
They should leave and join Reform as that is the party for these divisive attitudesAlsoLei said:
The Tories have been playing a dangerous game here.HYUFD said:
If your main concern is Islamophobia you are almost certainly already voting Labour, LD, Green, SNP or even Galloway not Conservative anyway.eek said:The Tory party may respond calmly but I suspect the typical Tory MP will be in panic mode..
But the problem the Tory party has now is how do you attract the Reform Islamophobic vote without scaring more moderate votes away...
I should suspect much of the Jewish vote not just the hardcore Leaver vote would agree with Anderson too, that doesn't mean he was right to say it though of course
Sarah Hall tried it in October, when she claimed that some of the Jewish community are "frightened" of Khan. That earned her a rebuke from the Board of Deputies, who went on to say that Khan had always treated Jewish communities "with friendship and respect".
Then there was the 'Sadiq Khan says the quiet part out loud' selectively-edited video posted on Twitter by the official @Conservatives account, and leading Tory figures' repeated refusals to apologise for spreading misinformation.
And now Lee Anderson, previously the Tory Deputy Chair.
The reality is that Khan has constantly spoken in favour of Jewish Londoners and their interests, and against not just antisemitism but also anti-Zionism and BDS. He's been a frequent visitor to Jewish community projects, has taken part in Jewish festivals, and has instructed the MPS to take a zero-tolerance approach to antisemitic hate crimes.
The "Jewish vote" isn't really a thing - Jews aren't a monolithic bloc. Traditionalist, conservative Jews tend to lean Tory and liberal, secular Jews tend to vote Labour... but, as ever, the words "tend to" are doing a lot of work, and cover a great deal of complexity.
I know plenty of liberal Jewish people who would not have voted for Corbyn's Labour party at a general election, but who have always been entirely relaxed about Khan as mayor. I won't pretend that they're a particularly representative bunch - but then, who is?
What is for certain is that trying to tar Khan with an antisemitic brush is untrue, unfair, and deeply unpleasant.
And whilst Islamophobia may not be at the top of many Tory voters' list of concerns, neither do many (hopefully most!) of them want to be associated with Islamophobes or Islamophobia. Hall and Anderson's behaviour is just as likely to drive decent Conservatives (© Big_G_NorthWales) away as it is to attract the nuttier end of Refukers.
I do not support the right of the conservative party bring a one nation conservative most of my life ( though did vote for Blair twice)1 -
Hardly, I didn't even vote LeaveBig_G_NorthWales said:
He is a classic Reform candidateSandyRentool said:
HY can be the last Conservative standingBenpointer said:
Both things should happen: Alt-right nutjobs to RefUK; One Nation types off to the LibDems. Then we can give the Conservative Party a peaceful burial and leave it to history.Luckyguy1983 said:
Someone in that bunch should certainly find another party. I believe the Lib Dems would be suitable.Scott_xP said:@cathynewman
Former @Conservatives chairwoman @SayeedaWarsi tells me on @Channel4News
that @LeeAndersonMP_ @SuellaBraverman & @trussliz should find another party because she says their rhetoric is dividing the party and the country.1 -
Sure, but nonetheless 8/8 is proprerly impressive, and several of these games have been knife edge stuff, Wales England, Wales Scotland, Scotland France (which Scotland should have won in the last moment), etcturbotubbs said:
Although every game so far has been won by the favourites.Leon said:
I think my predictions were a bit better than yours today. I predicted Ireland and Scotland would win by wider margins than you, and so it wasPenddu2 said:
Feyi-Aboso is Welsh - born & bred in Cardiff. But he chose the dark side...Leon said:England have some talented youngsters, this Scottish kid Finn Smith, nice, Feyi-Aboso, get Marcus Smith back, and somehow Henry Arundell, suddenly we look more piercing
But this game is lost to the genius of Van Der Merwe
Nonetheless you now have 8/8 correct 6N predictions. Bravo! And it will surely be 9/9 by end of play tomorrow
Can you call every single match correctly in a whole 6N campaign?! If you do, PB should collectively buy you a bottle of your favourite wine
I wonder what the accumulated odds would be, if you put down a tenner at the start of the 6N, then got the first 9 games all correct0 -
Jonathan said:
Good to see Mick backing Starmer.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/24/mick-lynch-says-voters-must-grow-up-and-see-starmer-is-only-alternative
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There's CCTV video showing the police seemingly allowing a group of pro-Palestinian protestors to get into the Conservative fund-raiser that was disrupted last night:
https://twitter.com/joerichlaw/status/1761372046141849708
https://twitter.com/ArchRose90/status/17613596711163375160 -
In a reminder of times when the Government of the United Kingdom did things for the people instead of to the people, the National Theatre is putting on "Nye", a play with the one who isn't Martin Sheen. Here's the trailer:
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The problem with Anderson's comments is that I've not seen him provide evidence to back up his claims. The last 'evidence' of the links between Sadiq Khan and 'Islamists' was the stuff the tories dug out in the 2016 mayoral campaign which was not convincing to the electorate; there is nothing since then as far as I am aware of. So this type of comment just comes across as lazy Islamophobia. It is actually just a gift to all his enemies and critics. I am not sure he would be that helpful to Reform UK.0
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Lee Anderson was foolish and cack-handed in his words about Khan, and also self-harming to his cause. Twitwilliamglenn said:There's CCTV video showing the police seemingly allowing a group of pro-Palestinian protestors to get into the Conservative fund-raiser that was disrupted last night:
https://twitter.com/joerichlaw/status/1761372046141849708
https://twitter.com/ArchRose90/status/1761359671116337516
Nonetheless a lot of people will be looking at these various videos of MPs being aggressively heckled, councils being invaded, parliament forced into quasi-lockdown, streets and bridges closed, and they will think "he also had a point"0 -
Then you should join the LibDems, you naughty boy!HYUFD said:
Hardly, I didn't even vote LeaveBig_G_NorthWales said:
He is a classic Reform candidateSandyRentool said:
HY can be the last Conservative standingBenpointer said:
Both things should happen: Alt-right nutjobs to RefUK; One Nation types off to the LibDems. Then we can give the Conservative Party a peaceful burial and leave it to history.Luckyguy1983 said:
Someone in that bunch should certainly find another party. I believe the Lib Dems would be suitable.Scott_xP said:@cathynewman
Former @Conservatives chairwoman @SayeedaWarsi tells me on @Channel4News
that @LeeAndersonMP_ @SuellaBraverman & @trussliz should find another party because she says their rhetoric is dividing the party and the country.
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I would say that REFUK is the Farage factor, plus disillusioned conservatives and others, and the politically homeless. Not difficult to see this amounting to over 20% of the vote. Once the ball gets rolling and all the other parties are seen as indistinguishable from each other, they keep picking up the disillusioned. That is the route to eventual power that has been followed by other 'far right' parties, albeit generally in PR systems.bondegezou said:
Are people supporting Reform UK because they like the look of them, or is it more that they’re dissatisfied with the Conservatives and casting around for an alternative?darkage said:
The only issue is that they take a significant number of voters with them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
They should leave and join Reform as that is the party for these divisive attitudesAlsoLei said:
The Tories have been playing a dangerous game here.HYUFD said:
If your main concern is Islamophobia you are almost certainly already voting Labour, LD, Green, SNP or even Galloway not Conservative anyway.eek said:The Tory party may respond calmly but I suspect the typical Tory MP will be in panic mode..
But the problem the Tory party has now is how do you attract the Reform Islamophobic vote without scaring more moderate votes away...
I should suspect much of the Jewish vote not just the hardcore Leaver vote would agree with Anderson too, that doesn't mean he was right to say it though of course
Sarah Hall tried it in October, when she claimed that some of the Jewish community are "frightened" of Khan. That earned her a rebuke from the Board of Deputies, who went on to say that Khan had always treated Jewish communities "with friendship and respect".
Then there was the 'Sadiq Khan says the quiet part out loud' selectively-edited video posted on Twitter by the official @Conservatives account, and leading Tory figures' repeated refusals to apologise for spreading misinformation.
And now Lee Anderson, previously the Tory Deputy Chair.
The reality is that Khan has constantly spoken in favour of Jewish Londoners and their interests, and against not just antisemitism but also anti-Zionism and BDS. He's been a frequent visitor to Jewish community projects, has taken part in Jewish festivals, and has instructed the MPS to take a zero-tolerance approach to antisemitic hate crimes.
The "Jewish vote" isn't really a thing - Jews aren't a monolithic bloc. Traditionalist, conservative Jews tend to lean Tory and liberal, secular Jews tend to vote Labour... but, as ever, the words "tend to" are doing a lot of work, and cover a great deal of complexity.
I know plenty of liberal Jewish people who would not have voted for Corbyn's Labour party at a general election, but who have always been entirely relaxed about Khan as mayor. I won't pretend that they're a particularly representative bunch - but then, who is?
What is for certain is that trying to tar Khan with an antisemitic brush is untrue, unfair, and deeply unpleasant.
And whilst Islamophobia may not be at the top of many Tory voters' list of concerns, neither do many (hopefully most!) of them want to be associated with Islamophobes or Islamophobia. Hall and Anderson's behaviour is just as likely to drive decent Conservatives (© Big_G_NorthWales) away as it is to attract the nuttier end of Refukers.0 -
The nuance of your posts clearly show your instinctive support of the rightHYUFD said:
Hardly, I didn't even vote LeaveBig_G_NorthWales said:
He is a classic Reform candidateSandyRentool said:
HY can be the last Conservative standingBenpointer said:
Both things should happen: Alt-right nutjobs to RefUK; One Nation types off to the LibDems. Then we can give the Conservative Party a peaceful burial and leave it to history.Luckyguy1983 said:
Someone in that bunch should certainly find another party. I believe the Lib Dems would be suitable.Scott_xP said:@cathynewman
Former @Conservatives chairwoman @SayeedaWarsi tells me on @Channel4News
that @LeeAndersonMP_ @SuellaBraverman & @trussliz should find another party because she says their rhetoric is dividing the party and the country.0 -
Lee Anderson MP said:
"Following a call with the Chief Whip, I understand the difficult position that I have put both he and the Prime Minister in with regard to my comments.
"I fully accept that they had no option but to suspend the whip in these circumstances.
"However, I will continue to support the Government's efforts to call out extremism in all its forms - be that anti-semitism or islamophobia."
https://gbnews.com
https://facebook.com/share/p/sRfYHC1LrE3b91K1/
6:13 PM · Feb 24, 2024
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It’s not about having evidence. It is, I fear, copying the US Republican Party: make stuff up about your opponents (or have it made up for you by Russia) that plays on people’s base prejudices and keep repeating it. That works in the US, particularly with that Fox News/OANN/Newsmax bubble. Fortunately, here, it only works on a minority who presume Khan must a wrong ‘un if you just look hard enough because he’s brown.darkage said:The problem with Anderson's comments is that I've not seen him provide evidence to back up his claims. The last 'evidence' of the links between Sadiq Khan and 'Islamists' was the stuff the tories dug out in the 2016 mayoral campaign which was not convincing to the electorate; there is nothing since then as far as I am aware of. So this type of comment just comes across as lazy Islamophobia. It is actually just a gift to all his enemies and critics. I am not sure he would be that helpful to Reform UK.
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Sayeeda Warsi?Scott_xP said:@cathynewman
Former @Conservatives chairwoman @SayeedaWarsi tells me on @Channel4News
that @LeeAndersonMP_ @SuellaBraverman & @trussliz should find another party because she says their rhetoric is dividing the party and the country.
Say it isn't so.1 -
Baffling. He understands that what he said required the whip to be suspended, but he won’t apologise for saying it.Big_G_NorthWales said:Lee Anderson MP said:
"Following a call with the Chief Whip, I understand the difficult position that I have put both he and the Prime Minister in with regard to my comments.
"I fully accept that they had no option but to suspend the whip in these circumstances.
"However, I will continue to support the Government's efforts to call out extremism in all its forms - be that anti-semitism or islamophobia."
https://gbnews.com
https://facebook.com/share/p/sRfYHC1LrE3b91K1/
6:13 PM · Feb 24, 20240 -
Great book, but just the one r.Cleitophon said:I have this strong feeling we are losing all the lessons of the 20th century. We should all be reading Hannah Arendt, Karl Popper, Adorno and Horkheimer, Koselleck. Timothy Snyder's On Tyrrany is a good place to start.
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I think both sides of the debate overreact when it comes to Islamic extremism.Leon said:
Lee Anderson was foolish and cack-handed in his words about Khan, and also self-harming to his cause. Twitwilliamglenn said:There's CCTV video showing the police seemingly allowing a group of pro-Palestinian protestors to get into the Conservative fund-raiser that was disrupted last night:
https://twitter.com/joerichlaw/status/1761372046141849708
https://twitter.com/ArchRose90/status/1761359671116337516
Nonetheless a lot of people will be looking at these various videos of MPs being aggressively heckled, councils being invaded, parliament forced into quasi-lockdown, streets and bridges closed, and they will think "he also had a point"
And dialogue between them there is none.0 -
He won't apologise for saying it cos he isn't sorry, and doesn't care what the chielf whip thinks cos he doesn't want to stay in the partybondegezou said:Baffling. He understands that what he said required the whip to be suspended, but he won’t apologise for saying it.
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Is English his second language?Big_G_NorthWales said:Lee Anderson MP said:
"Following a call with the Chief Whip, I understand the difficult position that I have put both he and the Prime Minister in with regard to my comments.
"I fully accept that they had no option but to suspend the whip in these circumstances.
"However, I will continue to support the Government's efforts to call out extremism in all its forms - be that anti-semitism or islamophobia."
https://gbnews.com
https://facebook.com/share/p/sRfYHC1LrE3b91K1/
6:13 PM · Feb 24, 2024
"I understand the difficult position I have put both HIM and the Prime Minister in."0 -
Well I don't deny that but even most Tories will be of the right let alone Reform supportersBig_G_NorthWales said:
The nuance of your posts clearly show your instinctive support of the rightHYUFD said:
Hardly, I didn't even vote LeaveBig_G_NorthWales said:
He is a classic Reform candidateSandyRentool said:
HY can be the last Conservative standingBenpointer said:
Both things should happen: Alt-right nutjobs to RefUK; One Nation types off to the LibDems. Then we can give the Conservative Party a peaceful burial and leave it to history.Luckyguy1983 said:
Someone in that bunch should certainly find another party. I believe the Lib Dems would be suitable.Scott_xP said:@cathynewman
Former @Conservatives chairwoman @SayeedaWarsi tells me on @Channel4News
that @LeeAndersonMP_ @SuellaBraverman & @trussliz should find another party because she says their rhetoric is dividing the party and the country.0 -
Of course the Tories have formed a coalition UK government with the LDs before but never yet with UKIP or ReformSunil_Prasannan said:
Then you should join the LibDems, you naughty boy!HYUFD said:
Hardly, I didn't even vote LeaveBig_G_NorthWales said:
He is a classic Reform candidateSandyRentool said:
HY can be the last Conservative standingBenpointer said:
Both things should happen: Alt-right nutjobs to RefUK; One Nation types off to the LibDems. Then we can give the Conservative Party a peaceful burial and leave it to history.Luckyguy1983 said:
Someone in that bunch should certainly find another party. I believe the Lib Dems would be suitable.Scott_xP said:@cathynewman
Former @Conservatives chairwoman @SayeedaWarsi tells me on @Channel4News
that @LeeAndersonMP_ @SuellaBraverman & @trussliz should find another party because she says their rhetoric is dividing the party and the country.0 -
And the PM who instructed you to vote Remain 8s now Foreign Secretary in a Leaver government.HYUFD said:
Hardly, I didn't even vote LeaveBig_G_NorthWales said:
He is a classic Reform candidateSandyRentool said:
HY can be the last Conservative standingBenpointer said:
Both things should happen: Alt-right nutjobs to RefUK; One Nation types off to the LibDems. Then we can give the Conservative Party a peaceful burial and leave it to history.Luckyguy1983 said:
Someone in that bunch should certainly find another party. I believe the Lib Dems would be suitable.Scott_xP said:@cathynewman
Former @Conservatives chairwoman @SayeedaWarsi tells me on @Channel4News
that @LeeAndersonMP_ @SuellaBraverman & @trussliz should find another party because she says their rhetoric is dividing the party and the country.
Funny old game.0 -
What he means is me and my friends.rottenborough said:
David Henig 🇺🇦Jonathan said:
These neo right wingers aren’t conservatives.Scott_xP said:@cathynewman
Former @Conservatives chairwoman @SayeedaWarsi tells me on @Channel4News
that @LeeAndersonMP_ @SuellaBraverman & @trussliz should find another party because she says their rhetoric is dividing the party and the country.
@DavidHenigUK
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8h
The Conservative Party will need to decide if it is closer to Ruth Davidson or Lee Anderson in attitudes. I have a pretty good idea which of these would be more popular outside of the GB News / Telegraph anti-woke bubble.
Lee Anderson has made it much harder to have the difficult discussion on how we tackle Islamism that needs to be had, not ignored.1 -
It is very difficult in an FPTP system for Reform (or UKIP) to break through, because you need a concentrated vote. In 2015, UKIP got 13% of the votes (that's 50% more than the LibDems got), but only one seat.darkage said:
I would say that REFUK is the Farage factor, plus disillusioned conservatives and others, and the politically homeless. Not difficult to see this amounting to over 20% of the vote. Once the ball gets rolling and all the other parties are seen as indistinguishable from each other, they keep picking up the disillusioned. That is the route to eventual power that has been followed by other 'far right' parties, albeit generally in PR systems.bondegezou said:
Are people supporting Reform UK because they like the look of them, or is it more that they’re dissatisfied with the Conservatives and casting around for an alternative?darkage said:
The only issue is that they take a significant number of voters with them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
They should leave and join Reform as that is the party for these divisive attitudesAlsoLei said:
The Tories have been playing a dangerous game here.HYUFD said:
If your main concern is Islamophobia you are almost certainly already voting Labour, LD, Green, SNP or even Galloway not Conservative anyway.eek said:The Tory party may respond calmly but I suspect the typical Tory MP will be in panic mode..
But the problem the Tory party has now is how do you attract the Reform Islamophobic vote without scaring more moderate votes away...
I should suspect much of the Jewish vote not just the hardcore Leaver vote would agree with Anderson too, that doesn't mean he was right to say it though of course
Sarah Hall tried it in October, when she claimed that some of the Jewish community are "frightened" of Khan. That earned her a rebuke from the Board of Deputies, who went on to say that Khan had always treated Jewish communities "with friendship and respect".
Then there was the 'Sadiq Khan says the quiet part out loud' selectively-edited video posted on Twitter by the official @Conservatives account, and leading Tory figures' repeated refusals to apologise for spreading misinformation.
And now Lee Anderson, previously the Tory Deputy Chair.
The reality is that Khan has constantly spoken in favour of Jewish Londoners and their interests, and against not just antisemitism but also anti-Zionism and BDS. He's been a frequent visitor to Jewish community projects, has taken part in Jewish festivals, and has instructed the MPS to take a zero-tolerance approach to antisemitic hate crimes.
The "Jewish vote" isn't really a thing - Jews aren't a monolithic bloc. Traditionalist, conservative Jews tend to lean Tory and liberal, secular Jews tend to vote Labour... but, as ever, the words "tend to" are doing a lot of work, and cover a great deal of complexity.
I know plenty of liberal Jewish people who would not have voted for Corbyn's Labour party at a general election, but who have always been entirely relaxed about Khan as mayor. I won't pretend that they're a particularly representative bunch - but then, who is?
What is for certain is that trying to tar Khan with an antisemitic brush is untrue, unfair, and deeply unpleasant.
And whilst Islamophobia may not be at the top of many Tory voters' list of concerns, neither do many (hopefully most!) of them want to be associated with Islamophobes or Islamophobia. Hall and Anderson's behaviour is just as likely to drive decent Conservatives (© Big_G_NorthWales) away as it is to attract the nuttier end of Refukers.
You also have the issue that people can vote against you. So, even if Reform is polling 40% in a seat, if the other voters choose to vote anti-Reform, they can still get stuffed. (All electoral systems are unfair... they're just unfair in different ways.)
So, sure, could Reform break through? Of course it could. But it's a long path. And it's a doubly tough one if you don't have local government strength (and volunteers) to call upon.0 -
It might be an idea for Rishi to call an election soon, while he still has a party that can be salvaged...Scott_xP said:@cathynewman
Former @Conservatives chairwoman @SayeedaWarsi tells me on @Channel4News
that @LeeAndersonMP_ @SuellaBraverman & @trussliz should find another party because she says their rhetoric is dividing the party and the country.0 -
No - we didn't have endless rounds of strikes during the Blair/Brown years. Sunak has royally screwed up, seemingly believing that the only way to control inflation was by expecting people to accept cuts in their real wages. I suspect that is partly because he has no concept what it means to be just about managing financially.pigeon said:
Very far from a ringing endorsement - basically, he's using the only good reason that Labour itself will be able to present at the election, which is that they're Not Tories.Jonathan said:Good to see Mick backing Starmer.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/24/mick-lynch-says-voters-must-grow-up-and-see-starmer-is-only-alternative
It won't be very long after the election before various unions in public transport and the public sector discover that Labour's attitude to their wage demands is functionally identical to that of the Tories - in brief, there's only enough money to feather bed pensioners, the rest of you can f*** off - and then we'll be back to endless waves of bloody strikes again.
He'd have been better to accept inflation-matching pay rises at the outset - inflation would have taken a bit longer to come down but eventually the external drivers would have played out and in the meantime strike disruption could have been largely avoided.0 -
These attitudes will put off a generation of younger voters. If you want to ensure your own extinction I suggest you carry on.Casino_Royale said:
What he means is me and my friends.rottenborough said:
David Henig 🇺🇦Jonathan said:
These neo right wingers aren’t conservatives.Scott_xP said:@cathynewman
Former @Conservatives chairwoman @SayeedaWarsi tells me on @Channel4News
that @LeeAndersonMP_ @SuellaBraverman & @trussliz should find another party because she says their rhetoric is dividing the party and the country.
@DavidHenigUK
·
8h
The Conservative Party will need to decide if it is closer to Ruth Davidson or Lee Anderson in attitudes. I have a pretty good idea which of these would be more popular outside of the GB News / Telegraph anti-woke bubble.
Lee Anderson has made it much harder to have the difficult discussion on how we tackle Islamism that needs to be had, not ignored.0 -
Why would he give up a potential 10 extra months as PM for an election now which he would almost certainly lose at long odds of salvaging a few Tory MPs seats? I doubt Sunak gives a toss what happens to the Tories once as is likely he loses the next general election. He will be off to California within a month to join some big company boards with a by election in Richmond shortly after. He just wants to stay PM as long as possible to bolster his CV. As far as I can see the first time Rishi delivered a Tory leaflet was when he was selected for Richmond in 2015, he did not grow up in the party and had never even stood for council let alone a parliamentary seat before then when he was more interested in cricket, Southampton FC, making money at Goldmans and for his hedge fund and getting good degrees at Oxford and Stanford.GIN1138 said:
It might be an idea for Rishi to call an election soon, while he still has a party that can be salvaged...Scott_xP said:@cathynewman
Former @Conservatives chairwoman @SayeedaWarsi tells me on @Channel4News
that @LeeAndersonMP_ @SuellaBraverman & @trussliz should find another party because she says their rhetoric is dividing the party and the country.
Sunak will only call an early GE if the Tories somehow get a poll lead1 -
Charlie Sheen?!viewcode said:In a reminder of times when the Government of the United Kingdom did things for the people instead of to the people, the National Theatre is putting on "Nye", a play with the one who isn't Martin Sheen. Here's the trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEWGqDqgt6Q1 -
And just to claim the pedantry bonus points, n x 2Nigelb said:
Great book, but just the one r.Cleitophon said:I have this strong feeling we are losing all the lessons of the 20th century. We should all be reading Hannah Arendt, Karl Popper, Adorno and Horkheimer, Koselleck. Timothy Snyder's On Tyrrany is a good place to start.
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There is now a clear, present and lethal danger to our democracy, and it comes from Islamic extremism, and it is worsened by the way it has progressively seduced some idiot lefties, and menaced the moderate lefties, and also harnessed wider (and understandable) anger over GazaCasino_Royale said:
I think both sides of the debate overreact when it comes to Islamic extremism.Leon said:
Lee Anderson was foolish and cack-handed in his words about Khan, and also self-harming to his cause. Twitwilliamglenn said:There's CCTV video showing the police seemingly allowing a group of pro-Palestinian protestors to get into the Conservative fund-raiser that was disrupted last night:
https://twitter.com/joerichlaw/status/1761372046141849708
https://twitter.com/ArchRose90/status/1761359671116337516
Nonetheless a lot of people will be looking at these various videos of MPs being aggressively heckled, councils being invaded, parliament forced into quasi-lockdown, streets and bridges closed, and they will think "he also had a point"
And dialogue between them there is none.
The threat still appears relatively small but the potential is grave and serious. It’s a bit like seeing the first signs of a fire in a crowded theatre. How do you relay the serious danger to the theatre goers, without making everything worse, by causing a panic, yet also making sure people DO perceive the threat?
Lee Anderson did the equivalent of leap around pointing at people shouting “arsonist! Arsonist!” That makes it easy to dismiss him as a nutter with a grudge and actually makes it harder to tell everyone, “er, there actually is a fire, we need to respond now”1 -
Interesting interview with Avram Grant's ex wife.
https://twitter.com/swilkinsonbc/status/17614645633528832650 -
Rishi did have an internship at CCHQ one summer of his university holidays, that is the only evidence I have of his political involvement before selection for Richmond in 2014HYUFD said:
Why would he give up a potential 10 extra months as PM for an election now which he would almost certainly lose at long odds of salvaging a few Tory MPs seats? I doubt Sunak gives a toss what happens to the Tories once as is likely he loses the next general election. He will be off to California within a month to join some big company boards with a by election in Richmond shortly after. He just wants to stay PM as long as possible to bolster his CV. As far as I can see the first time Rishi delivered a Tory leaflet was when he was selected for Richmond in 2015, he did not grow up in the party and had never even stood for council let alone a parliamentary seat before then when he was more interested in cricket, Southampton FC, making money at Goldmans and for his hedge fund and getting good degrees at Oxford and Stanford.GIN1138 said:
It might be an idea for Rishi to call an election soon, while he still has a party that can be salvaged...Scott_xP said:@cathynewman
Former @Conservatives chairwoman @SayeedaWarsi tells me on @Channel4News
that @LeeAndersonMP_ @SuellaBraverman & @trussliz should find another party because she says their rhetoric is dividing the party and the country.
Sunak will only call an early GE if the Tories somehow get a poll lead1 -
Yeah but the problem is that the conditions are such that this 'evidence free innuendo' approach can still work. By 'conditions' I mean long term failings about dealing with Islamic extremism and 'progressive' sympathy towards terrorist organisations. I posted a couple of weeks ago about the 'parachute sticker' protesters basically having no consequence for their actions (a conditional discharge) and a judge that, it turned out, 'liked' pro palestinian comments on the internet.bondegezou said:
It’s not about having evidence. It is, I fear, copying the US Republican Party: make stuff up about your opponents (or have it made up for you by Russia) that plays on people’s base prejudices and keep repeating it. That works in the US, particularly with that Fox News/OANN/Newsmax bubble. Fortunately, here, it only works on a minority who presume Khan must a wrong ‘un if you just look hard enough because he’s brown.darkage said:The problem with Anderson's comments is that I've not seen him provide evidence to back up his claims. The last 'evidence' of the links between Sadiq Khan and 'Islamists' was the stuff the tories dug out in the 2016 mayoral campaign which was not convincing to the electorate; there is nothing since then as far as I am aware of. So this type of comment just comes across as lazy Islamophobia. It is actually just a gift to all his enemies and critics. I am not sure he would be that helpful to Reform UK.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13084707/judge-womenparachute-Palestine-march-walk-free-admitted-liking-post-Israel-terrorist.html
This is in strong contrast to the typical fate of 'far right' protesters when encountering the judicial system.
So people get fed up. This feeds the political style of politicians like Trump.0 -
Albeit Marine Le Pen leads candidates of Macron's party with younger French voters in latest French polls, there is no guarantee young voters are automatically anti the populist far right. Indeed evidence from the continent suggests the young are more likely to vote for the far right than the retired are but the retired are more likely to vote for traditional conservative parties than the young areAverageNinja said:
These attitudes will put off a generation of younger voters. If you want to ensure your own extinction I suggest you carry on.Casino_Royale said:
What he means is me and my friends.rottenborough said:
David Henig 🇺🇦Jonathan said:
These neo right wingers aren’t conservatives.Scott_xP said:@cathynewman
Former @Conservatives chairwoman @SayeedaWarsi tells me on @Channel4News
that @LeeAndersonMP_ @SuellaBraverman & @trussliz should find another party because she says their rhetoric is dividing the party and the country.
@DavidHenigUK
·
8h
The Conservative Party will need to decide if it is closer to Ruth Davidson or Lee Anderson in attitudes. I have a pretty good idea which of these would be more popular outside of the GB News / Telegraph anti-woke bubble.
Lee Anderson has made it much harder to have the difficult discussion on how we tackle Islamism that needs to be had, not ignored.0 -
There is indeed a clear, present and lethal danger to our democracy. It comes from Putin and Trump.Leon said:
There is now a clear, present and lethal danger to our democracy, and it comes from Islamic extremism, and it is worsened by the way it has progressively seduced some idiot lefties, and menaced the moderate lefties, and also harnessed wider (and understandable) anger over GazaCasino_Royale said:
I think both sides of the debate overreact when it comes to Islamic extremism.Leon said:
Lee Anderson was foolish and cack-handed in his words about Khan, and also self-harming to his cause. Twitwilliamglenn said:There's CCTV video showing the police seemingly allowing a group of pro-Palestinian protestors to get into the Conservative fund-raiser that was disrupted last night:
https://twitter.com/joerichlaw/status/1761372046141849708
https://twitter.com/ArchRose90/status/1761359671116337516
Nonetheless a lot of people will be looking at these various videos of MPs being aggressively heckled, councils being invaded, parliament forced into quasi-lockdown, streets and bridges closed, and they will think "he also had a point"
And dialogue between them there is none.
The threat still appears relatively small but the potential is grave and serious. It’s a bit like seeing the first signs of a fire in a crowded theatre. How do you relay the serious danger to the theatre goers, without making everything worse, by causing a panic, yet also making sure people DO perceive the threat?
Lee Anderson did the equivalent of leap around pointing at people shouting “arsonist! Arsonist!” That makes it easy to dismiss him as a nutter with a grudge and actually makes it harder to tell everyone, “er, there actually is a fire, we need to respond now”0 -
Those are both external threats. We also have an internal threatBenpointer said:
There is indeed a clear, present and lethal danger to our democracy. It comes from Putin and Trump.Leon said:
There is now a clear, present and lethal danger to our democracy, and it comes from Islamic extremism, and it is worsened by the way it has progressively seduced some idiot lefties, and menaced the moderate lefties, and also harnessed wider (and understandable) anger over GazaCasino_Royale said:
I think both sides of the debate overreact when it comes to Islamic extremism.Leon said:
Lee Anderson was foolish and cack-handed in his words about Khan, and also self-harming to his cause. Twitwilliamglenn said:There's CCTV video showing the police seemingly allowing a group of pro-Palestinian protestors to get into the Conservative fund-raiser that was disrupted last night:
https://twitter.com/joerichlaw/status/1761372046141849708
https://twitter.com/ArchRose90/status/1761359671116337516
Nonetheless a lot of people will be looking at these various videos of MPs being aggressively heckled, councils being invaded, parliament forced into quasi-lockdown, streets and bridges closed, and they will think "he also had a point"
And dialogue between them there is none.
The threat still appears relatively small but the potential is grave and serious. It’s a bit like seeing the first signs of a fire in a crowded theatre. How do you relay the serious danger to the theatre goers, without making everything worse, by causing a panic, yet also making sure people DO perceive the threat?
Lee Anderson did the equivalent of leap around pointing at people shouting “arsonist! Arsonist!” That makes it easy to dismiss him as a nutter with a grudge and actually makes it harder to tell everyone, “er, there actually is a fire, we need to respond now”1 -
New polling with @ObserverUK
Labour leads by 15 points.
• Labour 42% (-1)
• Conservatives 27% (n/c)
• Lib Dems 10% (n/c)
• SNP 3% (n/c)
• Greens 7% (n/c)
• Reform 10% (+1)
https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/17614811221756519491 -
Keir Starmer’s approval rating appears to have recovered from last week’s dip when it fell from -7 to -12.
We are now back to -7 with 39% disapproving and 32% approving.
https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/17614811285468571970 -
30p will go to ReFUK and he won’t be the only one. Easy for him to change party. Again. And once he does it and uses his GBeebies pulpit to both preach and grow in viability he is bound to attract others who are also doomed.
May as well go out saying what you think rather than whimpering as you keep lying.0 -
Broken, sleazy Starmer on the slide!TheScreamingEagles said:New polling with @ObserverUK
Labour leads by 15 points.
• Labour 42% (-1)
• Conservatives 27% (n/c)
• Lib Dems 10% (n/c)
• SNP 3% (n/c)
• Greens 7% (n/c)
• Reform 10% (+1)
https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/17614811221756519490 -
What do you see as the particular challenge from Islamism? ISIS has been largely defeated (although perhaps not in the Sahel). It’s over 4 years since there has been an Islamist terrorist attack in the UK. We appear to be tackling the matter well.Casino_Royale said:
What he means is me and my friends.rottenborough said:
David Henig 🇺🇦Jonathan said:
These neo right wingers aren’t conservatives.Scott_xP said:@cathynewman
Former @Conservatives chairwoman @SayeedaWarsi tells me on @Channel4News
that @LeeAndersonMP_ @SuellaBraverman & @trussliz should find another party because she says their rhetoric is dividing the party and the country.
@DavidHenigUK
·
8h
The Conservative Party will need to decide if it is closer to Ruth Davidson or Lee Anderson in attitudes. I have a pretty good idea which of these would be more popular outside of the GB News / Telegraph anti-woke bubble.
Lee Anderson has made it much harder to have the difficult discussion on how we tackle Islamism that needs to be had, not ignored.
There are tensions at present around Gaza. Horror around the situation in Gaza is not specifically Islamist: it goes across a broad range of Muslims and non-Muslims. The pro-Palestinian protestors are not advancing an Islamist philosophy, as far as I’ve seen. Indeed, if there’s a political ideology particularly associated with the protests, it is that of the hard left, the SWP and the Corbynites.2 -
The advice about what the young think from various posters on here is quite amusing. The one thing I would say is that they nearly always rebel against the prevailing 'consensus'; and at present the consensus is woke centrism.HYUFD said:
Albeit Marine Le Pen leads candidates of Macron's party with younger French voters in latest French polls, there is no guarantee young voters are automatically anti the populist far right. Indeed evidence from the continent suggests the young are more likely to vote for the far right than the retired are but the retired are more likely to vote for traditional conservative parties than the young areAverageNinja said:
These attitudes will put off a generation of younger voters. If you want to ensure your own extinction I suggest you carry on.Casino_Royale said:
What he means is me and my friends.rottenborough said:
David Henig 🇺🇦Jonathan said:
These neo right wingers aren’t conservatives.Scott_xP said:@cathynewman
Former @Conservatives chairwoman @SayeedaWarsi tells me on @Channel4News
that @LeeAndersonMP_ @SuellaBraverman & @trussliz should find another party because she says their rhetoric is dividing the party and the country.
@DavidHenigUK
·
8h
The Conservative Party will need to decide if it is closer to Ruth Davidson or Lee Anderson in attitudes. I have a pretty good idea which of these would be more popular outside of the GB News / Telegraph anti-woke bubble.
Lee Anderson has made it much harder to have the difficult discussion on how we tackle Islamism that needs to be had, not ignored.2 -
The violent mob that attacked her, or the one in the video with the flags and the chanting. There's a debate to be had about where protest becomes harassment but Dodds did not seem to be in any physical danger in that clip.Leon said:
Annelise Dodds is clearly one, judging by that video belowTheScreamingEagles said:Three female politicians have been given taxpayer-funded bodyguards and cars amid growing concerns about MPs’ safety.
The women have had their security upgraded after a risk assessment was carried out with support from a secretive organisation tasked with providing protection for the most prominent members of the government and the royal family.
The Sunday Times is not naming the MPs. They include representatives of the Conservative and Labour parties.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/three-female-mps-get-taxpayer-funded-bodyguards-over-safety-fears-llqhgz7zk
Irony of ironies. The Labour party is eating itself0 -
I’m not meaning to dismiss your wider point (there are undoubtedly a minority of extremists on all sides that are willing to threaten or carry out violence in a way that threatens our democracy) but…Leon said:
Those are both external threats. We also have an internal threatBenpointer said:
There is indeed a clear, present and lethal danger to our democracy. It comes from Putin and Trump.Leon said:
There is now a clear, present and lethal danger to our democracy, and it comes from Islamic extremism, and it is worsened by the way it has progressively seduced some idiot lefties, and menaced the moderate lefties, and also harnessed wider (and understandable) anger over GazaCasino_Royale said:
I think both sides of the debate overreact when it comes to Islamic extremism.Leon said:
Lee Anderson was foolish and cack-handed in his words about Khan, and also self-harming to his cause. Twitwilliamglenn said:There's CCTV video showing the police seemingly allowing a group of pro-Palestinian protestors to get into the Conservative fund-raiser that was disrupted last night:
https://twitter.com/joerichlaw/status/1761372046141849708
https://twitter.com/ArchRose90/status/1761359671116337516
Nonetheless a lot of people will be looking at these various videos of MPs being aggressively heckled, councils being invaded, parliament forced into quasi-lockdown, streets and bridges closed, and they will think "he also had a point"
And dialogue between them there is none.
The threat still appears relatively small but the potential is grave and serious. It’s a bit like seeing the first signs of a fire in a crowded theatre. How do you relay the serious danger to the theatre goers, without making everything worse, by causing a panic, yet also making sure people DO perceive the threat?
Lee Anderson did the equivalent of leap around pointing at people shouting “arsonist! Arsonist!” That makes it easy to dismiss him as a nutter with a grudge and actually makes it harder to tell everyone, “er, there actually is a fire, we need to respond now”
…watching @williamglenn ’s video of the protest was rather heartwarming. Turns out some brown chaps understand the quintessentially British nature of peaceful protest. Wander in, waggle a finger, wander out again. Oh and thank the Bobby for holding the door open for you. All rather twee.0 -
Well.
The Post Office investigated a sub-postmaster who sits as a director on its own board, prompting a furious response from its chairman.
The Telegraph can disclose that a Post Office team led by its chief legal officer launched an inquiry into Elliot Jacobs, who was specially appointed a non-executive director to represent sub-postmasters in the wake of the Horizon scandal.
The investigation so upset Henry Staunton, the Post Office’s chairman, that he angrily confronted Ben Foat, the company’s group general counsel. Sources say it contributed to Mr Staunton’s sacking by Kemi Badenoch, raising further questions about why she got rid of him.
Friends of Mr Staunton accept he “raised his voice” at the meeting but deny claims of bullying raised by Ms Badenoch this week.
The Post Office confirmed on Friday that it had been investigating Mr Jacobs, an award-winning sub-postmaster, but that its inquiries had now concluded. It is understood no wrongdoing was found over an alleged discrepancy in the accounts of a few thousand pounds.
Mr Jacobs was appointed to the board in 2021 as part of an attempt by the Post Office to show it had “learned from past mistakes” and to change the culture of the organisation that had led to the wrongful prosecution of hundreds of sub-postmasters as a result of its faulty Horizon IT system.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/23/post-office-investigated-sub-postmaster-own-board/1 -
It would be nice to think Rishi can dedicate his post-Downing Street career to public service rather than chasing Elon Musk's sack of cash in California. It is not as if he needs the money.HYUFD said:
Rishi did have an internship at CCHQ one summer of his university holidays, that is the only evidence I have of his political involvement before selection for Richmond in 2014HYUFD said:
Why would he give up a potential 10 extra months as PM for an election now which he would almost certainly lose at long odds of salvaging a few Tory MPs seats? I doubt Sunak gives a toss what happens to the Tories once as is likely he loses the next general election. He will be off to California within a month to join some big company boards with a by election in Richmond shortly after. He just wants to stay PM as long as possible to bolster his CV. As far as I can see the first time Rishi delivered a Tory leaflet was when he was selected for Richmond in 2015, he did not grow up in the party and had never even stood for council let alone a parliamentary seat before then when he was more interested in cricket, Southampton FC, making money at Goldmans and for his hedge fund and getting good degrees at Oxford and Stanford.GIN1138 said:
It might be an idea for Rishi to call an election soon, while he still has a party that can be salvaged...Scott_xP said:@cathynewman
Former @Conservatives chairwoman @SayeedaWarsi tells me on @Channel4News
that @LeeAndersonMP_ @SuellaBraverman & @trussliz should find another party because she says their rhetoric is dividing the party and the country.
Sunak will only call an early GE if the Tories somehow get a poll lead0 -
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13115769/anti-muslim-hate-britain-triple-hamas-israel.htmlLeon said:
Those are both external threats. We also have an internal threatBenpointer said:
There is indeed a clear, present and lethal danger to our democracy. It comes from Putin and Trump.Leon said:
There is now a clear, present and lethal danger to our democracy, and it comes from Islamic extremism, and it is worsened by the way it has progressively seduced some idiot lefties, and menaced the moderate lefties, and also harnessed wider (and understandable) anger over GazaCasino_Royale said:
I think both sides of the debate overreact when it comes to Islamic extremism.Leon said:
Lee Anderson was foolish and cack-handed in his words about Khan, and also self-harming to his cause. Twitwilliamglenn said:There's CCTV video showing the police seemingly allowing a group of pro-Palestinian protestors to get into the Conservative fund-raiser that was disrupted last night:
https://twitter.com/joerichlaw/status/1761372046141849708
https://twitter.com/ArchRose90/status/1761359671116337516
Nonetheless a lot of people will be looking at these various videos of MPs being aggressively heckled, councils being invaded, parliament forced into quasi-lockdown, streets and bridges closed, and they will think "he also had a point"
And dialogue between them there is none.
The threat still appears relatively small but the potential is grave and serious. It’s a bit like seeing the first signs of a fire in a crowded theatre. How do you relay the serious danger to the theatre goers, without making everything worse, by causing a panic, yet also making sure people DO perceive the threat?
Lee Anderson did the equivalent of leap around pointing at people shouting “arsonist! Arsonist!” That makes it easy to dismiss him as a nutter with a grudge and actually makes it harder to tell everyone, “er, there actually is a fire, we need to respond now”
"Anti-Muslim hate incidents in Britain TRIPLE since Hamas' assault on Israel - with women bearing the brunt of racist attacks, watchdog reports
More than 2,000 hate crimes against Muslims recorded since October 7"0 -
From the protests I've seen in Leeds:bondegezou said:
What do you see as the particular challenge from Islamism? ISIS has been largely defeated (although perhaps not in the Sahel). It’s over 4 years since there has been an Islamist terrorist attack in the UK. We appear to be tackling the matter well.Casino_Royale said:
What he means is me and my friends.rottenborough said:
David Henig 🇺🇦Jonathan said:
These neo right wingers aren’t conservatives.Scott_xP said:@cathynewman
Former @Conservatives chairwoman @SayeedaWarsi tells me on @Channel4News
that @LeeAndersonMP_ @SuellaBraverman & @trussliz should find another party because she says their rhetoric is dividing the party and the country.
@DavidHenigUK
·
8h
The Conservative Party will need to decide if it is closer to Ruth Davidson or Lee Anderson in attitudes. I have a pretty good idea which of these would be more popular outside of the GB News / Telegraph anti-woke bubble.
Lee Anderson has made it much harder to have the difficult discussion on how we tackle Islamism that needs to be had, not ignored.
There are tensions at present around Gaza. Horror around the situation in Gaza is not specifically Islamist: it goes across a broad range of Muslims and non-Muslims. The pro-Palestinian protestors are not advancing an Islamist philosophy, as far as I’ve seen. Indeed, if there’s a political ideology particularly associated with the protests, it is that of the hard left, the SWP and the Corbynites.
50% Hamas
50% Useful idiots0 -
David Amess MP was murdered by an Islamist 2 and a half years ago. Mike Freer MP resigned as a minister because of Islamist threats ( and an arson attack) in the last few weeks. Jewish MPs are all wearing stab vests. Yes we ‘appear to be tackling the matter well’bondegezou said:
What do you see as the particular challenge from Islamism? ISIS has been largely defeated (although perhaps not in the Sahel). It’s over 4 years since there has been an Islamist terrorist attack in the UK. We appear to be tackling the matter well.Casino_Royale said:
What he means is me and my friends.rottenborough said:
David Henig 🇺🇦Jonathan said:
These neo right wingers aren’t conservatives.Scott_xP said:@cathynewman
Former @Conservatives chairwoman @SayeedaWarsi tells me on @Channel4News
that @LeeAndersonMP_ @SuellaBraverman & @trussliz should find another party because she says their rhetoric is dividing the party and the country.
@DavidHenigUK
·
8h
The Conservative Party will need to decide if it is closer to Ruth Davidson or Lee Anderson in attitudes. I have a pretty good idea which of these would be more popular outside of the GB News / Telegraph anti-woke bubble.
Lee Anderson has made it much harder to have the difficult discussion on how we tackle Islamism that needs to be had, not ignored.
There are tensions at present around Gaza. Horror around the situation in Gaza is not specifically Islamist: it goes across a broad range of Muslims and non-Muslims. The pro-Palestinian protestors are not advancing an Islamist philosophy, as far as I’ve seen. Indeed, if there’s a political ideology particularly associated with the protests, it is that of the hard left, the SWP and the Corbynites.
I can’t work out which is worse. That you actually believe this bullshit, or that you know it’s bullshit but say it anyway1 -
Why is that ironic?Leon said:
Annelise Dodds is clearly one, judging by that video belowTheScreamingEagles said:Three female politicians have been given taxpayer-funded bodyguards and cars amid growing concerns about MPs’ safety.
The women have had their security upgraded after a risk assessment was carried out with support from a secretive organisation tasked with providing protection for the most prominent members of the government and the royal family.
The Sunday Times is not naming the MPs. They include representatives of the Conservative and Labour parties.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/three-female-mps-get-taxpayer-funded-bodyguards-over-safety-fears-llqhgz7zk
Irony of ironies. The Labour party is eating itself0 -
Correction most of the 175,000 members - not the decent and sane one nation onesHYUFD said:
Well I don't deny that but even most Tories will be of the right let alone Reform supportersBig_G_NorthWales said:
The nuance of your posts clearly show your instinctive support of the rightHYUFD said:
Hardly, I didn't even vote LeaveBig_G_NorthWales said:
He is a classic Reform candidateSandyRentool said:
HY can be the last Conservative standingBenpointer said:
Both things should happen: Alt-right nutjobs to RefUK; One Nation types off to the LibDems. Then we can give the Conservative Party a peaceful burial and leave it to history.Luckyguy1983 said:
Someone in that bunch should certainly find another party. I believe the Lib Dems would be suitable.Scott_xP said:@cathynewman
Former @Conservatives chairwoman @SayeedaWarsi tells me on @Channel4News
that @LeeAndersonMP_ @SuellaBraverman & @trussliz should find another party because she says their rhetoric is dividing the party and the country.0 -
Something else to thank Hamas for then.Sunil_Prasannan said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13115769/anti-muslim-hate-britain-triple-hamas-israel.htmlLeon said:
Those are both external threats. We also have an internal threatBenpointer said:
There is indeed a clear, present and lethal danger to our democracy. It comes from Putin and Trump.Leon said:
There is now a clear, present and lethal danger to our democracy, and it comes from Islamic extremism, and it is worsened by the way it has progressively seduced some idiot lefties, and menaced the moderate lefties, and also harnessed wider (and understandable) anger over GazaCasino_Royale said:
I think both sides of the debate overreact when it comes to Islamic extremism.Leon said:
Lee Anderson was foolish and cack-handed in his words about Khan, and also self-harming to his cause. Twitwilliamglenn said:There's CCTV video showing the police seemingly allowing a group of pro-Palestinian protestors to get into the Conservative fund-raiser that was disrupted last night:
https://twitter.com/joerichlaw/status/1761372046141849708
https://twitter.com/ArchRose90/status/1761359671116337516
Nonetheless a lot of people will be looking at these various videos of MPs being aggressively heckled, councils being invaded, parliament forced into quasi-lockdown, streets and bridges closed, and they will think "he also had a point"
And dialogue between them there is none.
The threat still appears relatively small but the potential is grave and serious. It’s a bit like seeing the first signs of a fire in a crowded theatre. How do you relay the serious danger to the theatre goers, without making everything worse, by causing a panic, yet also making sure people DO perceive the threat?
Lee Anderson did the equivalent of leap around pointing at people shouting “arsonist! Arsonist!” That makes it easy to dismiss him as a nutter with a grudge and actually makes it harder to tell everyone, “er, there actually is a fire, we need to respond now”
"Anti-Muslim hate incidents in Britain TRIPLE since Hamas' assault on Israel - with women bearing the brunt of racist attacks, watchdog reports
More than 2,000 hate crimes against Muslims recorded since October 7"0 -
Because it is Labour, especially but not exclusively during Corbyn’s reign, that nourished this viper, never thinking it might endanger Labour MPsAndy_JS said:
Why is that ironic?Leon said:
Annelise Dodds is clearly one, judging by that video belowTheScreamingEagles said:Three female politicians have been given taxpayer-funded bodyguards and cars amid growing concerns about MPs’ safety.
The women have had their security upgraded after a risk assessment was carried out with support from a secretive organisation tasked with providing protection for the most prominent members of the government and the royal family.
The Sunday Times is not naming the MPs. They include representatives of the Conservative and Labour parties.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/three-female-mps-get-taxpayer-funded-bodyguards-over-safety-fears-llqhgz7zk
Irony of ironies. The Labour party is eating itself1 -
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/cases-of-islamophobia-tripled-in-uk-since-israel-hamas-war-in-gaza-study-5108719SandyRentool said:
Something else to thank Hamas for then.Sunil_Prasannan said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13115769/anti-muslim-hate-britain-triple-hamas-israel.htmlLeon said:
Those are both external threats. We also have an internal threatBenpointer said:
There is indeed a clear, present and lethal danger to our democracy. It comes from Putin and Trump.Leon said:
There is now a clear, present and lethal danger to our democracy, and it comes from Islamic extremism, and it is worsened by the way it has progressively seduced some idiot lefties, and menaced the moderate lefties, and also harnessed wider (and understandable) anger over GazaCasino_Royale said:
I think both sides of the debate overreact when it comes to Islamic extremism.Leon said:
Lee Anderson was foolish and cack-handed in his words about Khan, and also self-harming to his cause. Twitwilliamglenn said:There's CCTV video showing the police seemingly allowing a group of pro-Palestinian protestors to get into the Conservative fund-raiser that was disrupted last night:
https://twitter.com/joerichlaw/status/1761372046141849708
https://twitter.com/ArchRose90/status/1761359671116337516
Nonetheless a lot of people will be looking at these various videos of MPs being aggressively heckled, councils being invaded, parliament forced into quasi-lockdown, streets and bridges closed, and they will think "he also had a point"
And dialogue between them there is none.
The threat still appears relatively small but the potential is grave and serious. It’s a bit like seeing the first signs of a fire in a crowded theatre. How do you relay the serious danger to the theatre goers, without making everything worse, by causing a panic, yet also making sure people DO perceive the threat?
Lee Anderson did the equivalent of leap around pointing at people shouting “arsonist! Arsonist!” That makes it easy to dismiss him as a nutter with a grudge and actually makes it harder to tell everyone, “er, there actually is a fire, we need to respond now”
"Anti-Muslim hate incidents in Britain TRIPLE since Hamas' assault on Israel - with women bearing the brunt of racist attacks, watchdog reports
More than 2,000 hate crimes against Muslims recorded since October 7"
"Cases Of Islamophobia Tripled In UK Since Israel-Hamas War In Gaza: Study"0 -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-68374372SandyRentool said:
From the protests I've seen in Leeds:bondegezou said:
What do you see as the particular challenge from Islamism? ISIS has been largely defeated (although perhaps not in the Sahel). It’s over 4 years since there has been an Islamist terrorist attack in the UK. We appear to be tackling the matter well.Casino_Royale said:
What he means is me and my friends.rottenborough said:
David Henig 🇺🇦Jonathan said:
These neo right wingers aren’t conservatives.Scott_xP said:@cathynewman
Former @Conservatives chairwoman @SayeedaWarsi tells me on @Channel4News
that @LeeAndersonMP_ @SuellaBraverman & @trussliz should find another party because she says their rhetoric is dividing the party and the country.
@DavidHenigUK
·
8h
The Conservative Party will need to decide if it is closer to Ruth Davidson or Lee Anderson in attitudes. I have a pretty good idea which of these would be more popular outside of the GB News / Telegraph anti-woke bubble.
Lee Anderson has made it much harder to have the difficult discussion on how we tackle Islamism that needs to be had, not ignored.
There are tensions at present around Gaza. Horror around the situation in Gaza is not specifically Islamist: it goes across a broad range of Muslims and non-Muslims. The pro-Palestinian protestors are not advancing an Islamist philosophy, as far as I’ve seen. Indeed, if there’s a political ideology particularly associated with the protests, it is that of the hard left, the SWP and the Corbynites.
50% Hamas
50% Useful idiots
"Anti-Muslim cases surge in UK since Hamas attacks, charity finds"1 -
"Suella Braverman MP
@SuellaBraverman
The mask has slipped: in hock to Islamists, Starmer is responsible for one of the most shameful days of our democracy.
Enough of the hand-wringing & apologies. Turning a blind eye to fanatics has got us into this situation: it must stop."
https://twitter.com/SuellaBraverman/status/17609286159846732430 -
Didn't have you down as an Islamophobe.SandyRentool said:
Something else to thank Hamas for then.Sunil_Prasannan said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13115769/anti-muslim-hate-britain-triple-hamas-israel.htmlLeon said:
Those are both external threats. We also have an internal threatBenpointer said:
There is indeed a clear, present and lethal danger to our democracy. It comes from Putin and Trump.Leon said:
There is now a clear, present and lethal danger to our democracy, and it comes from Islamic extremism, and it is worsened by the way it has progressively seduced some idiot lefties, and menaced the moderate lefties, and also harnessed wider (and understandable) anger over GazaCasino_Royale said:
I think both sides of the debate overreact when it comes to Islamic extremism.Leon said:
Lee Anderson was foolish and cack-handed in his words about Khan, and also self-harming to his cause. Twitwilliamglenn said:There's CCTV video showing the police seemingly allowing a group of pro-Palestinian protestors to get into the Conservative fund-raiser that was disrupted last night:
https://twitter.com/joerichlaw/status/1761372046141849708
https://twitter.com/ArchRose90/status/1761359671116337516
Nonetheless a lot of people will be looking at these various videos of MPs being aggressively heckled, councils being invaded, parliament forced into quasi-lockdown, streets and bridges closed, and they will think "he also had a point"
And dialogue between them there is none.
The threat still appears relatively small but the potential is grave and serious. It’s a bit like seeing the first signs of a fire in a crowded theatre. How do you relay the serious danger to the theatre goers, without making everything worse, by causing a panic, yet also making sure people DO perceive the threat?
Lee Anderson did the equivalent of leap around pointing at people shouting “arsonist! Arsonist!” That makes it easy to dismiss him as a nutter with a grudge and actually makes it harder to tell everyone, “er, there actually is a fire, we need to respond now”
"Anti-Muslim hate incidents in Britain TRIPLE since Hamas' assault on Israel - with women bearing the brunt of racist attacks, watchdog reports
More than 2,000 hate crimes against Muslims recorded since October 7"0 -
Just Stop Oil confront Labour frontbencher at fundraising dinner
Letter demanding end to North Sea drilling and Gaza ceasefire handed to Anneliese Dodds by protesters in Oxford restaurant
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/24/just-stop-oil-confront-frontbencher-anneliese-dodds-dinner/ (£££)
They're all at it.0 -
This is the best Pre
What is more. The extra amount of spending could have kept us out of a recession. And services wouldn't be quite so crap as they wouldn't be struggling to retain and recruit.Benpointer said:
No - we didn't have endless rounds of strikes during the Blair/Brown years. Sunak has royally screwed up, seemingly believing that the only way to control inflation was by expecting people to accept cuts in their real wages. I suspect that is partly because he has no concept what it means to be just about managing financially.pigeon said:
Very far from a ringing endorsement - basically, he's using the only good reason that Labour itself will be able to present at the election, which is that they're Not Tories.Jonathan said:Good to see Mick backing Starmer.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/24/mick-lynch-says-voters-must-grow-up-and-see-starmer-is-only-alternative
It won't be very long after the election before various unions in public transport and the public sector discover that Labour's attitude to their wage demands is functionally identical to that of the Tories - in brief, there's only enough money to feather bed pensioners, the rest of you can f*** off - and then we'll be back to endless waves of bloody strikes again.
He'd have been better to accept inflation-matching pay rises at the outset - inflation would have taken a bit longer to come down but eventually the external drivers would have played out and in the meantime strike disruption could have been largely avoided.1 -
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Pots and kettles come to mind. You’re quite happy to promote the sorts of views that, at the extreme end, result in the murder of MPs (Jo Cox).Leon said:
David Amess MP was murdered by an Islamist 2 and a half years ago. Mike Freer MP resigned as a minister because of Islamist threats ( and an arson attack) in the last few weeks. Jewish MPs are all wearing stab vests. Yes we ‘appear to be tackling the matter well’bondegezou said:
What do you see as the particular challenge from Islamism? ISIS has been largely defeated (although perhaps not in the Sahel). It’s over 4 years since there has been an Islamist terrorist attack in the UK. We appear to be tackling the matter well.Casino_Royale said:
What he means is me and my friends.rottenborough said:
David Henig 🇺🇦Jonathan said:
These neo right wingers aren’t conservatives.Scott_xP said:@cathynewman
Former @Conservatives chairwoman @SayeedaWarsi tells me on @Channel4News
that @LeeAndersonMP_ @SuellaBraverman & @trussliz should find another party because she says their rhetoric is dividing the party and the country.
@DavidHenigUK
·
8h
The Conservative Party will need to decide if it is closer to Ruth Davidson or Lee Anderson in attitudes. I have a pretty good idea which of these would be more popular outside of the GB News / Telegraph anti-woke bubble.
Lee Anderson has made it much harder to have the difficult discussion on how we tackle Islamism that needs to be had, not ignored.
There are tensions at present around Gaza. Horror around the situation in Gaza is not specifically Islamist: it goes across a broad range of Muslims and non-Muslims. The pro-Palestinian protestors are not advancing an Islamist philosophy, as far as I’ve seen. Indeed, if there’s a political ideology particularly associated with the protests, it is that of the hard left, the SWP and the Corbynites.
I can’t work out which is worse. That you actually believe this bullshit, or that you know it’s bullshit but say it anyway
You are as worthy of criticism as those you are railing against.0
