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  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,118
    edited January 2024

    It'd be interesting to see figures on this; are people actually doing less of this sort of thing?

    Anecdotally...

    So... are there any figures about volunteering and group participation?
    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/community-life-survey-202122/community-life-survey-202122-volunteering-and-charitable-giving
  • isam said:


    Rachel Reeves learning from Sir Keir

    today, just three months later:

    https://x.com/pickardje/status/1752612686355947908?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    You are searching for Starmer drama.

    Keeping an existing cap on bonuses is different to re-introducing a cap on bonuses that was scrapped a year earlier.

    The first creates no extra admin for either government nor businesses, the second does. The pfaff of change can either outweigh the benefits, or move it down the priority list to the not worth changing again pile.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,316
    Andy_JS said:

    It's incredible to me how we can have both such a large welfare state in this country and such a big need for charity/volunteer services. I can understand the need for one or the other, but not both at the same time. The whole point of the establishment of the welfare state was supposed to be to largely supersede the need for charity.
    Arguably there are too many small charities. Many seem to originate in a personal tragedy (someone is murdered with a knife, family sets up a Charity in the their name. Someone dies of a rare cancer, family sets up a charity in their name etc).

    I think these charities are serving a purpose of helping the families feel better, but as actual charities, I'm less convinced.

    I also see an awful lot of charities attached to the teat of the public purse - at which point they are not really charities at all, rather they are providers of X for the commissioning body.
  • Elon Musk’s record $56bn Tesla pay package is too much, judge rules
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/elon-musks-record-56bn-tesla-pay-package-is-too-much-judge-rules-cwzzpnh27 (£££)

    First world problems.
  • Elon Musk’s record $56bn Tesla pay package is too much, judge rules
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/elon-musks-record-56bn-tesla-pay-package-is-too-much-judge-rules-cwzzpnh27 (£££)

    First world problems.

    I'll do it for $36bn if they are interested.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,244

    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/community-life-survey-202122/community-life-survey-202122-volunteering-and-charitable-giving
    A few years ago…… pre-Covid…… I was at a Citizens Advice AGM, where someone complained that “young people never volunteer nowadays”. I commented that my granddaughter, age 30, was a volunteer for Samaritans and had told me that many of her fellow volunteers were of a similar age!
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,316

    You are searching for Starmer drama.

    Keeping an existing cap on bonuses is different to re-introducing a cap on bonuses that was scrapped a year earlier.

    The first creates no extra admin for either government nor businesses, the second does. The pfaff of change can either outweigh the benefits, or move it down the priority list to the not worth changing again pile.
    Does it not go back to "Is the cap right or wrong?" If its wrong then don't re-instate. If you think the pay should be capped then re-instate it. Its just waffle to not do it because of the hassle. If that was true why ever change any tax law?
  • Arguably there are too many small charities. Many seem to originate in a personal tragedy (someone is murdered with a knife, family sets up a Charity in the their name. Someone dies of a rare cancer, family sets up a charity in their name etc).

    I think these charities are serving a purpose of helping the families feel better, but as actual charities, I'm less convinced.

    I also see an awful lot of charities attached to the teat of the public purse - at which point they are not really charities at all, rather they are providers of X for the commissioning body.
    Big charities are run by paid professionals, which many object to, so give to smaller charities where no-one is paid even if the net result is uncoordinated duplication at best to a complete shambles at worst (and that's not counting the Captain Tom debacle).
  • A few years ago…… pre-Covid…… I was at a Citizens Advice AGM, where someone complained that “young people never volunteer nowadays”. I commented that my granddaughter, age 30, was a volunteer for Samaritans and had told me that many of her fellow volunteers were of a similar age!
    I used to volunteer and arguably messed up my degree and career prospects by doing so. In my more cynical moments, I'd like to go back in time and look after number one.
  • Does it not go back to "Is the cap right or wrong?" If its wrong then don't re-instate. If you think the pay should be capped then re-instate it. Its just waffle to not do it because of the hassle. If that was true why ever change any tax law?
    I suspect a consistent tax framework is far more important than minor tweaks such as these so disagree. With or without a cap, bankers will be overpaid, paid shedloads and their boards and senior management will represent the interests of bankers rather than shareholders or wider society.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,855
    edited January 2024
    On the question below, there were few things less likely to promote a Big Society of voluntary cross-co-operation than Osborne's sneering comments on people seeing their lazy, shirker neighbours not opening their curtains in the morning.

    This was, again, designed to appeal to the resentfully, cynically atomised ; and society in general hears these things and makes them much less likely to help. An uncomfortable fact is that a strong element of social help for the less advantaged has to be unconditional, which also means re-fighting the hugely simplified nineteenth-century perceptions of poverty as primarily a moral failing, all over again.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,780

    I don't see any sign of dissident Con 2019 voters (I know a few personally, and others on here) are particularly motivated to rush back. Or indeed that they prefer LibDems to Lab or vice versa. They have a settled view that the Government is useless, and an open mind on whether to vote for someone else or abstain. The idea that they are all on the edge of swinging back is a fantasy, as it was in 1997 (when many disilllusioned Tories decided on abstention).
    I agree. I assume Nick that like me you've also found loads of disillusioned 2019 Conservatives while doorknocking in recent months, so your views will be similarly informed by a lot of recent experience.

    Mine is this. For those down on the database as past Conservatives but who say they don't know yet about their current voting intention I find the new 1-10 follow up question very useful as it opens up a conversation and generates a lot of nuances you didn't get before. "Well in fact I may not end up voting at all" is a very common response as is the likes of "well goodness knows what I'm going to do but if I do vote it's definitely not going to be Tory next time." Some of course do give you the impression that they may well revert to voting Tory but I don't get any impression that there is a vast latent Conservative vote intending to return to the fold.

    So I'm pretty sceptical about the potential for Conservative recovery from that source. For me the potential black swan is the awful state of the electoral roll particularly in Labour-supporting areas and the knowledge that it will be even worse in an Autumn 2024 election. But on balance with Conservatives deserting their party en masse I don't think that a really lousy register will be enough for them to escape a bad defeat.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,316

    I suspect a consistent tax framework is far more important than minor tweaks such as these so disagree. With or without a cap, bankers will be overpaid, paid shedloads and their boards and senior management will represent the interests of bankers rather than shareholders or wider society.
    I don't disagree about the need for a consistent tax framework. But then I also believe in a completely flat tax rate (which many if not most do not). I'd tax everything above X at Y rate and include unearned income in that regime. No cliff edges, no work rounds, no scams just 30% (say) on everything above 20K a year (say).*


    * I have no idea of the correct numbers needed to make it work.
  • How many jobs is that? At least half of the NU10K seems to be George Osborne.
    George 5K Osborne?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,164

    How many jobs is that? At least half of the NU10K seems to be George Osborne.
    Leon's niblings ?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,646
    Kaboom!!! Zinger from Starmer.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,000
    edited January 2024

    I'll do it for $36bn if they are interested.
    The $56 Bn was passed by shareholders based on specific performance targets which were met. I'm a bit uneasy with a complaint from someone who owns a grand total of 9 TSLA shares complaining to a court regarding a passed shareholder motion and then a judge quashing passed said shareholder resolution.
    Feels like judicial interference tbh.
    I don't own any TSLA - well not directly anyway.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,927
    edited January 2024

    I don't disagree about the need for a consistent tax framework. But then I also believe in a completely flat tax rate (which many if not most do not). I'd tax everything above X at Y rate and include unearned income in that regime. No cliff edges, no work rounds, no scams just 30% (say) on everything above 20K a year (say).*


    * I have no idea of the correct numbers needed to make it work.
    If the elite paid their share then that would be fine with me.

    The tax rates of the very top is very varied. If we could get more to pay their fair share (most actually do but a substantial minority don't) it would make a significant difference.

    "Using anonymised data from personal tax returns, we show that in 2015-16 the average rate of tax paid by people who received £1 million in taxable income and gains was just 35%: the same as someone earning £100,000. But one in four of these paid 45% – close to the top rate – whilst another quarter paid less than 30% overall. One in ten paid just 11%—the same as someone earning £15,000. The rich, it seems, are not all in it together."

    "A new Alternative Minimum Tax could put a floor on the lowest tax rates. If set at 35% on taxable income and gains for all those with over £100,000 per year, we estimate that this tax could raise £11 billion per year."

    https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/economics/research/centres/cage/news/02-07-20-rich_pay_more_tax_than_ever_but_burden_unequally_shared/
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    I used to volunteer and arguably messed up my degree and career prospects by doing so. In my more cynical moments, I'd like to go back in time and look after number one.
    I was a school governor for 11 years, six of those as chair. I gave it up a couple of years ago because I didn't have the time to do it properly any more. Families can take up a lot of time; perhaps a person less prone to distraction and procrastination than me would have managed better but to be honest I also felt like I'd 'served my time' as it were and it was time to move on anyway. I had been elected chair unopposed every time and the rest of the GB needed a kick up the bottom to engage more.

    Volunteering is good and important and as others have noted is something great swathes of people do pretty selflessly - perhaps not even thinking of it as 'volunteering' but enjoying e.g. coaching a kids football team as something just worthwhile doing in spare time and a way of staying involved with something you love.

    I understand your cynical moments though. Looking after yourself is very important too, and there's nothing wrong at all with not volunteering - especially if it would be detrimental to other aspects of your life.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,646
    Here we go again. Sunak on about the £28b that Labour are dropping.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,316

    If the elite paid their share then that would be fine with me.

    The tax rates of the very top is very varied. If we could get more to pay their fair share (most actually do but a substantial minority don't) it would make a significant difference.

    "Using anonymised data from personal tax returns, we show that in 2015-16 the average rate of tax paid by people who received £1 million in taxable income and gains was just 35%: the same as someone earning £100,000. But one in four of these paid 45% – close to the top rate – whilst another quarter paid less than 30% overall. One in ten paid just 11%—the same as someone earning £15,000. The rich, it seems, are not all in it together."

    https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/economics/research/centres/cage/news/02-07-20-rich_pay_more_tax_than_ever_but_burden_unequally_shared/
    Too many schemes allow tax to be legally avoided. Get rid of them all. Flat tax and be done with it. None of this setting up shell companies and hiding salary as payments to the company etc
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,244
    edited January 2024

    I used to volunteer and arguably messed up my degree and career prospects by doing so. In my more cynical moments, I'd like to go back in time and look after number one.
    A variation of work/life balance, isn’t it. Granddaughter didn’t volunteer until she’d finished her education, although she did a little during her doctorate study time.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,646
    Sunak seems to have said that people coming off fixed rate mortgages this month wont have to pay more because of something the chancellor has done about extending terms.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,164
    New US-made longer-range bomb expected to arrive as soon as Wednesday in Ukraine
    The Ground-Launched Small Diameter Bomb doesn’t even exist in the U.S. inventory.
    https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/30/new-us-made-longer-range-bomb-expected-to-arrive-as-soon-wednesday-in-ukraine-00138566

    It puts a Small Diameter Bomb on top of the (obsolete) M26 rocket motor, of which there are several hundred thousand in the U.S. inventory.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_Launched_Small_Diameter_Bomb

    Much cheaper than the M31 missiles currently supplied with HIMARS, which have an export cost of around $500k.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,646
    Sunak drowning.
  • a

    Over many, many years, quite a few people either didn't take office, or left, because they could earn much more money outside. Being an MP has always been supposed to be a part time job.

    Trying to remember which Liberal PM had serious concerns about taking office, until he made a pile in Law? Success in the law came after a long, lean patch.
    Asquith, I think. IIRC, becoming an MP helped him get work as a lawyer
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,111
    TimS said:

    It's been unfortunate for the Lib Dems that the 2024 byelections so far aren't promising for them. Byelections are one of the very few news events that get good coverage for the party in an average electoral cycle. The locals in May are the possibly the last remaining good news opportunity for then.
    The Lib Dems would so a lot better concentrating on policy rather than by-elections. They're on a fools mission thinking that random by-election wins form any kind of strategy. However, it's one they're addicted to so I don't expect it to change.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,430

    Asquith, I think. IIRC, becoming an MP helped him get work as a lawyer
    Wasn't there another, who the grandees essentially bankrolled?
  • Sunak seems to have said that people coming off fixed rate mortgages this month wont have to pay more because of something the chancellor has done about extending terms.

    No, he said we are paying hundreds of pounds less. And Sunak now going on to sneer at "Phil in Iceland" now that actually everything is actually better actually.

    PB Tories: the longer you leave this child in Number 10, the worse it will get for you at the election. He is trying to claim the sky is green.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,000
    This sort of language is just bizzare in the Musk ruling tbh... "or perhaps starry eyed by Musk’s superstar appeal"

    Something you might expect from people debating Musk on a board such as this one - but not in a serious court deciding these matters.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,757

    Slice in half, working around the stone. Twist to get one half off.

    Keeping your hands out of the way, jab the stone itself with a sharp pointed knife - lightly. Once you have the knack, you spear the stone each time. Twist the knife and the avocado half to release the stone

    Dispose of the stone by banging the *back* of the knife on the bin edge.
    Go to shop
    Buy pears in jelly
    Eat pears in jelly
    Yum.

    No knives necessary
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,111
    Nigelb said:

    .

    That is why you see it as insoluble, perhaps ?
    I think there are a large number of things wrapped up together there, some of which might be individually addressable.

    You can talk to your political opponents on a pragmatic basis. It's much more difficult to convince them of your political theories - or even to get them to listen.
    I think it comes down to a lot of selfish attitudes. It's not about policy differences; it's about what's necessary to keep society functioning rather than 'keeping me comfortable' - which is a false choice anyway: sooner or later, a dysfunctional society makes everyone uncomfortable.
  • So apparently the big rise in my mortgage is Sunak's plan working.

    I get the Tory narrative about "Labour tax rises". But the Tories have just put through a massive tax rise. So what is he thinking? As Starmer put it, are people to believe Starmer's boasts or their own bank accounts?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,646

    So apparently the big rise in my mortgage is Sunak's plan working.

    I get the Tory narrative about "Labour tax rises". But the Tories have just put through a massive tax rise. So what is he thinking? As Starmer put it, are people to believe Starmer's boasts or their own bank accounts?

    Awful few minutes for Sunak. But wont matter anyway as I dont think Tory polling can go any lower.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,316

    So apparently the big rise in my mortgage is Sunak's plan working.

    I get the Tory narrative about "Labour tax rises". But the Tories have just put through a massive tax rise. So what is he thinking? As Starmer put it, are people to believe Starmer's boasts or their own bank accounts?

    What caused the rise in mortgage rates? External factors in the main. Did you believe they would be low forever?
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,210
    I wish I hadn’t been FM during Covid, Sturgeon says, voice quivering.

    Say whatever you like about her, but when she is cross examined she is masterful.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,052

    The political haplessness of the Conservatives means that they're not even boasting about the positives.

    They should be talking constantly about:

    Full employment
    Rising pay
    Affluent oldies
    Extra money spent on the NHS with NHS employment up by 25%
    All the cost of living handouts and holding energy prices down

    And even, in much but not all of the country, that housing is more affordable now than under Gordon Brown.

    Okay there are plenty of negatives as well but governments only need to convince enough of the voters enough of the time.
    Full employment - yes

    Rising pay - pay is still, over the period of the Govt, lagging behind inflation, so no, don’t mention!

    Affluent oldies - yes, in messaging targeted at oldies

    NHS money and staff - inputs are not as impressive as outputs. Not convincing while waiting lists are growing and people struggle to get a GP appointment

    Affordable housing - some improvement on Brown’s time isn’t that convincing when affordability is still poor

    Energy/cost of living - possibly. You need to paint a picture that the problems are caused by the outside world and the UK Govt has done its best to help.
  • Pulpstar said:

    This sort of language is just bizzare in the Musk ruling tbh... "or perhaps starry eyed by Musk’s superstar appeal"

    Something you might expect from people debating Musk on a board such as this one - but not in a serious court deciding these matters.

    You expect more seriousness and accuracy from a US court than pb.com? Now that is bizarre!
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,111

    Wasn't there another, who the grandees essentially bankrolled?
    Not a PM, but John Simon, perhaps?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,646
    Even tory backbenchers are asking why things are so shit. In this case an MP from Devon about lack of dentists.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,646
    Why is Bridgen wearing a large paper clip on his suit?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,501
    ...

    What caused the rise in mortgage rates? External factors in the main. Did you believe they would be low forever?
    Like this externality? Key paragraph is about two thirds down.

    https://www.niesr.ac.uk/blog/truss-kwarteng-mini-budget-one-year#:~:text=The Mini-Budget was delivered on 23 September 2022.,rate of 2.5 per cent.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,210

    So apparently the big rise in my mortgage is Sunak's plan working.

    I get the Tory narrative about "Labour tax rises". But the Tories have just put through a massive tax rise. So what is he thinking? As Starmer put it, are people to believe Starmer's boasts or their own bank accounts?

    From a purely tactical perspective, Sunak played the mortgage payments wrong. He should’ve dumped on that on Truss and said sorry for the actions of that government, and moved forward in that vein. That he doesn’t ever give an answer to the topic and avoids it means it has been pinned to his legacy too.
  • Not a PM, but John Simon, perhaps?
    One former Liberal and later Conservative Prime Minister who needed to be bailed out several times was Winston Churchill. That was back when the PM's salary was the equivalent of around half a million pounds a year.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,000

    ...

    Like this externality? Key paragraph is about two thirds down.

    https://www.niesr.ac.uk/blog/truss-kwarteng-mini-budget-one-year#:~:text=The Mini-Budget was delivered on 23 September 2022.,rate of 2.5 per cent.
    I think Hunt has largely eliminated the Kwarteng premium and we're where we would be ex Truss. He's not much loved but he does have the confidence of the money markets. Hopefully Reeves will too !
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,890
    Never seen so many glum faces on the Tory benches.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,766

    What caused the rise in mortgage rates? External factors in the main. Did you believe they would be low forever?
    Indeed, but then you shouldn't claim halving inflation as your masterstroke. The inflation rate drives mortgage rates and both are higher than they were.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,952

    The Lib Dems would so a lot better concentrating on policy rather than by-elections. They're on a fools mission thinking that random by-election wins form any kind of strategy. However, it's one they're addicted to so I don't expect it to change.
    I find that most people aren't interested in policy. They are more interested in performance - do things work - and trust - are you on my side. The Tories are clearly failing on both.

    The LibDems on the other hand are focused on building up a reputation at local council level of good performance and trust together with an army of activists. That's why I believe that the LibDems will surprise on the upside at the general election.

    By-elections are the cherry on the cake. And good practice for activists.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,808
    edited January 2024

    Why is Bridgen wearing a large paper clip on his suit?

    He needs help keeping himself together.
  • Pulpstar said:

    The $56 Bn was passed by shareholders based on specific performance targets which were met. I'm a bit uneasy with a complaint from someone who owns a grand total of 9 TSLA shares complaining to a court regarding a passed shareholder motion and then a judge quashing passed said shareholder resolution.
    Feels like judicial interference tbh.
    I don't own any TSLA - well not directly anyway.
    Uncomfortable as well but not sure the court is wrong.

    https://corpgov.law.harvard.edu/2018/07/13/further-thoughts-on-elon-musks-compensation/

    The argument for corporate waste seems fairly strong on the grounds of it being 1) excessive at the time 2) not needed to tie Musk in as he owned a significant slice of Tesla already 3) not effective in tying Musk in as he has spent loads of time on twatter, space, human implants and challenging rivals to cage fights.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,316
    FF43 said:

    Indeed, but then you shouldn't claim halving inflation as your masterstroke. The inflation rate drives mortgage rates and both are higher than they were.
    Cannot disagree. You cannot claim to be controlling inflation when it is on the way down and blame external factors when it is on the increase.

    I locked my mortgage at 2.78% for 10 years 1.5 years ago as I could see what was going to happen. In the long run I may be overpaying, but I don't think I will be, Others could have done the same.
  • Andy_JS said:

    Never seen so many glum faces on the Tory benches.

    That's alright, I am fairly sure there will be significantly fewer next year.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,118
    FF43 said:

    Indeed, but then you shouldn't claim halving inflation as your masterstroke. The inflation rate drives mortgage rates and both are higher than they were.
    Every government tries to claim credit when the sun shines, and then blames "external factors" when it rains, and the public's reaction to these claims is a pretty good guide to how popular the government is.

    The Tories are in such a difficult spot right now partly because the public is so fed up with them that no credit is given even for genuine government successes*, while any misfortune is blamed on the government.

    Massive tax cuts? Grumbles that they wouldn't be able to cut taxes if they hadn't put them up so much.

    Stub your toe? Effing Tories!

    * Granted, I'm struggling to think of any.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,972

    I wish I hadn’t been FM during Covid, Sturgeon says, voice quivering.

    Say whatever you like about her, but when she is cross examined she is masterful.

    So she can remember being FM? That's an improvement I guess...
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,766

    Cannot disagree. You cannot claim to be controlling inflation when it is on the way down and blame external factors when it is on the increase.

    I locked my mortgage at 2.78% for 10 years 1.5 years ago as I could see what was going to happen. In the long run I may be overpaying, but I don't think I will be, Others could have done the same.
    I think the political problem for the Conservatives is they are completely blind to cost of living challenges and have no interest in the people facing those challenges, when this is the No 1 political issue. Mortgage payments are one part, but the Cost of Living crisis is much bigger than that
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,069

    Awful few minutes for Sunak. But wont matter anyway as I dont think Tory polling can go any lower.
    The tories at the moment have terrible polling. The need to start getting better results. So it does still matter, if it reduces the level of swing back at the GE.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,975
    edited January 2024
    As soon as I read the Times headline about Sturgeon giving evidence... I thought...

    https://youtu.be/oejZKuaukig?si=aBfs6LRp4jKUwlkl

    The headline has changed. She was apparently choking back her tears.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,890
    "Harry Cole
    @MrHarryCole

    EXC: Tory MP who said he cannot afford to live on £120,000 accidentally sends 110 colleagues his knighthood nomination on Whatsapp

    George Freeman swiftly deleted the letter recommending him for a gong after publishing it to the entire One Nation group"

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1752391367177765074
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,069

    Cannot disagree. You cannot claim to be controlling inflation when it is on the way down and blame external factors when it is on the increase.

    I locked my mortgage at 2.78% for 10 years 1.5 years ago as I could see what was going to happen. In the long run I may be overpaying, but I don't think I will be, Others could have done the same.
    Even if you do over pay a bit you have considerably reduced your risk.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,646

    Matt Chorley
    @MattChorley
    ·
    10m
    Replying to
    @MattChorley

    We have spoken to both branches of Iceland in Warrington and they don't know a Phil...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,000
    edited January 2024

    Cannot disagree. You cannot claim to be controlling inflation when it is on the way down and blame external factors when it is on the increase.

    I locked my mortgage at 2.78% for 10 years 1.5 years ago as I could see what was going to happen. In the long run I may be overpaying, but I don't think I will be, Others could have done the same.
    Depends...

    Did you chop your prior cheaper fix less than halfway through and swallow an ERC ?
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,069

    That's alright, I am fairly sure there will be significantly fewer next year.
    There won't be any Tories on those benches next year. The few who survive will be sitting on the other side.
  • eristdoof said:

    There won't be any Tories on those benches next year. The few who survive will be sitting on the other side.
    There will still be "Tory benches". Their location is not pertinent to the number of glum faces upon them.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,644

    I agree. I assume Nick that like me you've also found loads of disillusioned 2019 Conservatives while doorknocking in recent months, so your views will be similarly informed by a lot of recent experience.

    Mine is this. For those down on the database as past Conservatives but who say they don't know yet about their current voting intention I find the new 1-10 follow up question very useful as it opens up a conversation and generates a lot of nuances you didn't get before. "Well in fact I may not end up voting at all" is a very common response as is the likes of "well goodness knows what I'm going to do but if I do vote it's definitely not going to be Tory next time." Some of course do give you the impression that they may well revert to voting Tory but I don't get any impression that there is a vast latent Conservative vote intending to return to the fold.

    So I'm pretty sceptical about the potential for Conservative recovery from that source. For me the potential black swan is the awful state of the electoral roll particularly in Labour-supporting areas and the knowledge that it will be even worse in an Autumn 2024 election. But on balance with Conservatives deserting their party en masse I don't think that a really lousy register will be enough for them to escape a bad defeat.

    A Tory deal with Reform, a populist gimmick or gimmicks both pre elections and in the manifesto, a couple of Labour stumbles, continuing unconviction about Labour and Starmer, and a medium size Black Swan; this is all that is needed to bring about NOM.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,726


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    We have spoken to both branches of Iceland in Warrington and they don't know a Phil...

    A Phil from Warrington used to post on PB, I vaguely recall?
  • Andy_JS said:

    "Harry Cole
    @MrHarryCole

    EXC: Tory MP who said he cannot afford to live on £120,000 accidentally sends 110 colleagues his knighthood nomination on Whatsapp

    George Freeman swiftly deleted the letter recommending him for a gong after publishing it to the entire One Nation group"

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1752391367177765074

    Are we supposed to be nominating ourselves?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,824
    155mph wind gust recorded in the Faroe Islands…
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,852
    edited January 2024

    Big charities are run by paid professionals, which many object to, so give to smaller charities where no-one is paid even if the net result is uncoordinated duplication at best to a complete shambles at worst (and that's not counting the Captain Tom debacle).
    Mrs Flatlander is a trustee on a small charity which is a bit shambolic at times, mainly because she doesn't have time to sort it out properly and the original founder's family isn't really up to the job.

    It manages some land and the land is still there and not trashed, so in that sense it still works despite everything.

    The large organisation for this kind of thing would be a local Wildlife Trust. Unfortunately they aren't really interested in small pieces of land - even when part of a larger whole - as they are difficult to fund.

    As an example, they (the Wildlife Trust) were recently offered a piece of land (limestone grassland) with an important collection of rare plants but refused the gift as the site was apparently too small. Presumably this wouldn't attract enough funding from DEFRA for High Level Stewardship (or whatever the equivalent to this will be) and thus there would not be enough income to pay the staff who would have to manage it.

    There's definitely a role for the small charity that can deal with fiddling small change and not have to pay a Chief Executive.


    On the general 'civic society' front, I have found that a lot of local clubs and societies have declined or folded or now have age profiles above 70.
  • dixiedean said:

    He needs help keeping himself together.
    You could have saved yourself three words there.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,501
    Eabhal said:

    A Phil from Warrington used to post on PB, I vaguely recall?
    Perhaps Starmer was just having a Laff(er).
  • eristdoof said:

    The tories at the moment have terrible polling. The need to start getting better results. So it does still matter, if it reduces the level of swing back at the GE.
    Sunak had a poor PMQ and whilst Starmer did have an open goal he didn't miss

    However, the NI deal is far more important and it seems Sunak and Cameron may not only have got the DUP on board, but also the EU to amend part of the WF

    If that is confirmed and NI government restarts over the weekend, then that will be a major achievement by Sunak and Cameron

    However let's wait and see if it happens
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,069

    There will still be "Tory benches". Their location is not pertinent to the number of glum faces upon them.
    I wasn't disagreeing with you!
  • What caused the rise in mortgage rates? External factors in the main. Did you believe they would be low forever?
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    I am now paying the Truss Tax.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,646
    IanB2 said:

    155mph wind gust recorded in the Faroe Islands…

    wow.
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,882

    Lol, I haven't been on here for a while, but I thought it would be fun to wind you up a little. You might think that being able to construct a little bit of Dan Brown like prose in a non-best selling trash novel makes you Shakespeare, but someone that dumbly shows their ignorance of science and the world in general with such monotonous regularity is not in any way qualified to call anyone a gormless or thick wanker, even though masturbation is your own self-admitted subject of specialisation.
    So you have just dropped in to troll a regular poster.

    Quality.

  • wow.
    I experienced a wind speed of 155mph+ on our expedition ship in South Georgia and it was just amazing
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,153
    On polling, here is an interesting poll from a couple of weeks back about potential AfD Minister-Presidents in the 3 eastern Bundesländer that have elections this year - in Thüringen and Brandenburg the AfD are currently in clear first place in the polling for the Regional elections, and in Saxony they are narrowly ahead.

    https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Selbst-AfD-Stammwaehler-halten-nicht-viel-von-Hoecke-und-Co-article24665733.html

    But in all three their prospective Minister-Presidents (ie First Ministers) poll really badly. Maybe this is partly name recognition (though surely not in Thüringen where Höcke is extremely well-known). I can't find the actual polling tables, but the article says that only 6% of voters think Höcke would be better than the current (Linke) premier in Thüringen (where the AfD have 36% of the vote with the same pollster), and even worse numbers for the AfD leaders in Saxony and Brandenburg.

    Not sure what explains this without seeing the actual question asked and the figures, but it could be that a chunk of the AfD vote is a pure protest vote - people think that (for now) the AfD has no chance of being part the government at state or federal level, so they can vote for them despite not liking the idea of their leaders actually being in power.

    (though they could be wrong about this in Thüringen see this discussion https://verfassungsblog.de/why-the-afd-takeover-could-begin-much-sooner-than-many-realize/ )
  • Sunak had a poor PMQ and whilst Starmer did have an open goal he didn't miss

    However, the NI deal is far more important and it seems Sunak and Cameron may not only have got the DUP on board, but also the EU to amend part of the WF

    If that is confirmed and NI government restarts over the weekend, then that will be a major achievement by Sunak and Cameron

    However let's wait and see if it happens
    Yes, just reading the live BBC feed on Donaldson's interview with BBC Northern Ireland. He is very complementary about Sunak. The first reason I've been given to reassess my opinion that he is drowning - perhaps.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,360

    I hereby recant my support for George Osborne from this time forward.

    Former UK chancellor George Osborne has joined the advisory council of cryptocurrency exchange Coinbase, as the company faces increasing regulatory scrutiny.

    https://on.ft.com/42hO5m1

    Makes Greensill Capital look legit.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    I'm drinking this, with Wagyu ribeye

    https://www.vivino.com/US-CA/en/haut-rocher-saint-emilion-grand-cru-st-emilion-grand-cru/w/1318125?year=2018

    Excellent

    This may be my policy from now on, only the best wine, but less of it

    Hic

    £30 a bottle in Phnom Penh!

    OK I'll drink two bottles a day, but that's my limit


  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,052

    Yes, just reading the live BBC feed on Donaldson's interview with BBC Northern Ireland. He is very complementary about Sunak. The first reason I've been given to reassess my opinion that he is drowning - perhaps.
    You can read the full agreement here: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/65ba3b7bee7d490013984a59/Command_Paper__1_.pdf It is densely packed with rhetorical flourishes. It’s hard to make out what actually it entails that is different from what was agreed under the Windsor Framework. On first impression, there’s a lot of windowdressing. Lots of waffle so the DUP can save face. Contrary to what the DUP says, a border of sorts remains down the Irish Sea, but the WF already did the heavy lifting to minimise the impact on goods travelling purely between NI and GB.

    However, I await more detailed analyses from people who know what they’re talking about! If windowdressing and rhetoric is what it took to get the DUP to come back to Stormont, it’s great that Sunak has delivered it. Sunak is perhaps better at these important deals than he is at political campaigning.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,430

    Mrs Flatlander is a trustee on a small charity which is a bit shambolic at times, mainly because she doesn't have time to sort it out properly and the original founder's family isn't really up to the job.

    It manages some land and the land is still there and not trashed, so in that sense it still works despite everything.

    The large organisation for this kind of thing would be a local Wildlife Trust. Unfortunately they aren't really interested in small pieces of land - even when part of a larger whole - as they are difficult to fund.

    As an example, they (the Wildlife Trust) were recently offered a piece of land (limestone grassland) with an important collection of rare plants but refused the gift as the site was apparently too small. Presumably this wouldn't attract enough funding from DEFRA for High Level Stewardship (or whatever the equivalent to this will be) and thus there would not be enough income to pay the staff who would have to manage it.

    There's definitely a role for the small charity that can deal with fiddling small change and not have to pay a Chief Executive.


    On the general 'civic society' front, I have found that a lot of local clubs and societies have declined or folded or now have age profiles above 70.
    One thing I have noticed is that *some* retired people do not make enough allowance for "low time" volunteering.

    Working people can put in a smaller number of hours, often, *on a given day*

    Saying that, if you can't do 6 hours on Tuesday, then you are slacker, is simply wrong.
  • Leon said:

    I'm drinking this, with Wagyu ribeye

    https://www.vivino.com/US-CA/en/haut-rocher-saint-emilion-grand-cru-st-emilion-grand-cru/w/1318125?year=2018

    Excellent

    This may be my policy from now on, only the best wine, but less of it

    Hic

    £30 a bottle in Phnom Penh!

    OK I'll drink two bottles a day, but that's my limit


    Don't touch the St Emilion 1974. Picked it myself and I know what's in it.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,852
    edited January 2024

    I experienced a wind speed of 155mph+ on our expedition ship in South Georgia and it was just amazing
    At anchor? I'm surprised a ship could survive that without serious damage.

    The worst winds in any inhabited area must be the Piteraq in Greenland (similar cause?).

    Cold air is drawn off the icecap in certain conditions and funnels down the valleys in a freezing cold river at 200mph and -15C.

    The UK record is about 170mph, BTW. I have been out in c80mph and it seems Mrs Flatlander flies at that windspeed so we have not tried to repeat the experience.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,430

    I experienced a wind speed of 155mph+ on our expedition ship in South Georgia and it was just amazing
    That must have been interesting for the helmsman. I hope that wasn't a beam wind!
  • Yes, just reading the live BBC feed on Donaldson's interview with BBC Northern Ireland. He is very complementary about Sunak. The first reason I've been given to reassess my opinion that he is drowning - perhaps.
    If I was given £3bn I’d probably be able to say nice things too!

    Getting the NI assembly back up and running - while a good thing to do - probably won’t give Prime Minister Sunak the gratitude of mainland voters. Not sure Peter Hain / Tony Blair got much credit for getting the assembly going last time it stopped (I am sure I recall Hain threatening them with Water Rates or something to push them over the top). Or whoever got the Assembly going again after the Cash for Ash scandal - I want to say Brokenshire / Johnson.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,855
    edited January 2024
    I don't think a Big Society is mainly, or only volunteering, though.

    It's also about people asking themselves, quite simply, how much they are doing for those around them, at family, community, or national level, as part of a ratio with what they are doing for themselves. Most of us in the West aren't doing enough currently, I think, and I very definitely include myself in that.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,766

    Yes, just reading the live BBC feed on Donaldson's interview with BBC Northern Ireland. He is very complementary about Sunak. The first reason I've been given to reassess my opinion that he is drowning - perhaps.
    To be fair to Sunak he's invested in technocratic steps to make Brexit a bit less crap than it would otherwise be. Which is more than any of the others.
  • northern_monkeynorthern_monkey Posts: 1,640
    edited January 2024
    ‘UK minister: Brexit checks ‘price you pay for being a sovereign state again‘

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/jan/31/uk-minister-andrea-leadsom-brexit-checks-price-you-pay-sovereign-state-again

    Quite the change from ‘Project Fear’ and ‘No downsides’. ‘We will be part of a free trade zone.’ It’s almost as if the lying liars knowingly and repeatedly lied because if they’d told the truth they knew Brexit would never have got through.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    edited January 2024

    Don't touch the St Emilion 1974. Picked it myself and I know what's in it.
    Hah, Wilko

    Phnom Penh is so weird when it comes to wine, for such a poor country - GDP of $1900 per capita, less than Zimbabwe, Mauritania and Haiti

    The selection is generally good (compared to the equivalent nation in Africa, central Asia or LatAm), the prices are reasonable (compared to bloody Thailand), and almost every big wine store will have at least one sensational French red, grand cru, for a spookily reasonable price (compared to anywhere)

    I am buying this St Emilion for about a pound more than it would cost in the UK, in a case

    I get that Cambo has a French colonial heritage, but the ergo-economics of this still perplex me
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,164
    ‘Unless You’re a Purist, We Don’t Want You Voting’
    The Nevada GOP wanted to ensure a Trump win. They wound up making the state irrelevant.
    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/01/30/donald-trump-nikki-haley-nevada-00138372

    Love the bit at the end where the woman says she'd vote for Trump even if he'd died, because "he's the change that we need".
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,430
    Leon said:

    Hah, Wilko

    Phnom Penh is so weird when it comes to wine, for such a poor country - GDP of $1900 per capita, less than Zimbabwe, Mauritania and Haiti

    The selection is generally good (compared to the equivalent nation in Africa, central Asia or LatAm), the prices are reasonable (compared to bloody Thailand), and almost every big wine store will have at least one sensational French red, grand cru, for a spookily reasonable price (compared to anywhere)

    I am buying this St Emillion for about a pound more than it would cost in the UK, in a case

    I get that Cambo has a French colonial heritage, but the ergo-economics of this still perplex me
    Once you have a temperature controlled container on a ship, the cost of sending it round the world vs a few hundred miles is surprisingly small. A lot of the cost is in the port facilities either end, having a ship to carry it. The actual length of the voyage in between is a much smaller factor in the overall transport cost than you might think.

    That and wine forgery is getting really good these days. Especially now that Rudy is out and selling his expertise.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,118
    Leon said:

    Hah, Wilko

    Phnom Penh is so weird when it comes to wine, for such a poor country - GDP of $1900 per capita, less than Zimbabwe, Mauritania and Haiti

    The selection is generally good (compared to the equivalent nation in Africa, central Asia or LatAm), the prices are reasonable (compared to bloody Thailand), and almost every big wine store will have at least one sensational French red, grand cru, for a spookily reasonable price (compared to anywhere)

    I am buying this St Emilion for about a pound more than it would cost in the UK, in a case

    I get that Cambo has a French colonial heritage, but the ergo-economics of this still perplex me
    Chinese money creating a small middle class in the capital?

    With that money then leaving the country to pay for imports of luxury goods. Seems to be a pattern seen many times before.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,710
    edited January 2024
    On PMQs, I don't mind Starmer pinning rise in mortgage rates on the government - seems fair enough, especially when Sunak wants to take the credit for falling inflation.

    However, I would like to see Starmer taking more interest in the millions of people who rent private property, who have suffered huge rent hikes in recent years. Most of these are younger voters, who need more reason to vote Labour. It's not all about house buyers, Keir.
  • Well I can’t seem to edit my post above - but for those that care the NI secretary when the assembly came back after “cash for ash” was not Brokenshire - nor even Karen Bradley - but Julian Smith. Who knew (well definitely not me).
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,316
    Pulpstar said:

    Depends...

    Did you chop your prior cheaper fix less than halfway through and swallow an ERC ?
    No - I was on a tracker at that point, plus borrowing to finance an extension.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,710

    Well I can’t seem to edit my post above - but for those that care the NI secretary when the assembly came back after “cash for ash” was not Brokenshire - nor even Karen Bradley - but Julian Smith. Who knew (well definitely not me).

    Julian Smith actually did a pretty good job as NI Secretary, gaining the respect of all sides - no mean feat.
    So Boris sacked him after 204 days.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,244

    You can read the full agreement here: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/65ba3b7bee7d490013984a59/Command_Paper__1_.pdf It is densely packed with rhetorical flourishes. It’s hard to make out what actually it entails that is different from what was agreed under the Windsor Framework. On first impression, there’s a lot of windowdressing. Lots of waffle so the DUP can save face. Contrary to what the DUP says, a border of sorts remains down the Irish Sea, but the WF already did the heavy lifting to minimise the impact on goods travelling purely between NI and GB.

    However, I await more detailed analyses from people who know what they’re talking about! If windowdressing and rhetoric is what it took to get the DUP to come back to Stormont, it’s great that Sunak has delivered it. Sunak is perhaps better at these important deals than he is at political campaigning.
    Has there been any statement from the EU Commission?
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