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Tipping point.....TheScreamingEagles said:Big big story in the Times
Lord Ashcroft back among Tories’ top donors0 -
You make a good point about it not being a purely Labour tactic of course, although given the success of the Labour brand, relative to the Tory one, even now, then either they really are very good at it and people believe it, or they are correct. I don't see them as obviously more moral than the Tories, but either way more people disagree with me than agree on that score.david_herdson said:
But that it precisely the tribal Labour mentality: the Tories cannot understand inequality because they are Tories; we 'get it' because we are Labour.kle4 said:
It is perfectly possible for the son of a millionaire from north London to 'get' inequality, even if they have have always had a privileged life, as Ed M himself said early on in his leadership, that he was not a member of the 'squeezed middle'. My only problem with that is that Labour attacks, when they are being lazy, imply that Cameron cannot get such issues or understand such issues because he is posh, which would seem to indicate they believe people like Cameron and Miliband cannot get such things. It's amazing how often they make the mistake of implying because Cameron is posh and out of touch he cannot understand such concerns, when their own variably posh and out of touch leaders can, when all they have to do is say that Tories of any stripe do not understand such things. It'd be wrong, but not so obviously hypocritical.felix said:No. 4 made me cringe even more than Ed M. The idea that the son of a millionaire from north London 'gets' inequality is so funny. Wrong, wrong, wrong on just so many levels. The Independent sinks to a new low with this sort of garbage.
That said, my skepticism Ed could do something about it remains, though I do not doubt his sincerity. He seems a pleasant enough chap.
Now, Labour isn't the only party to have intellectually lazy members and supporters, nor to ascribe to themselves and their opponents characteristics or values that are at best caricatures and at worst plain falsehoods, but they are particularly good at it.
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I know, I've never walked in to a track with £4k in my pockets before..... quick out, EP, rails, ran on.. fill my boots time!Pulpstar said:
Don't blow those Rochester winnings all at once !Scrapheap_as_was said:
I'm at the dogs on the night of the DD get together and it occurs to me my plan to own a dog will allows the opportunity to name him or her "Traitorous Pig Dog" at that time... I may need to accelerate that plan!TheScreamingEagles said:
I know, took everything not to call them TPDScrapheap_as_was said:Well done at number 10.... superb restraint.
I see Farage wants to privatise the NHS now or he did... policies outside of johnny foreigners aren't really UKIPs forte as we know.0 -
Either he's started donating again, or dire times for the Tories!TheScreamingEagles said:Big big story in the Times
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That's obviously so. Also, people will differ over the definitions of what is "liberal" and what is "conservative" . Banning prostitution and pornography may sound liberal when feminists advocate such measures. They sound highly conservative when evangelical Christians advocate them.kle4 said:
I think things can get a little more complicated - society may seem to be getting more conservative in some respect even as liberalism abounds in others.Roger said:
it doesn't feel like small c conservatism is fading. But I suppose it depends how you define it.0 -
Well if you want to be like that let's look at the Tories Secret Manifesto shall we? Well some Tory wanted to do this at some point) but hey for the purposes of PBTory accuracy it must be a 'secret :manifesto'Scrapheap_as_was said:Well done at number 10.... superb restraint.
I see Farage wants to privatise the NHS now or he did... policies outside of johnny foreigners aren't really UKIPs forte as we know.
VAT on Food
VAT on Children's Clothes
Abolition of Maternity Pay/ Leave
Regional Pay
Charging for supermarket parking
Minimum Alcohol Pricing
Abolishing Job Centres
Snooper's Charter
'cloud-busting' technology which shoots particles to disperse overcast skies.
Giving HMRC unfettered access to people's bank accounts
Selling NHS Patient Details to 3rd Parties
Privatising The NHS
Selling The NHS to US Companies (TTIP)
The list of what the Coalition has achieved is actually even more impressive in many ways.0 -
@Sun_Politics: Crisis-hit Ed to mount yet another leadership relaunch: http://t.co/l0TDNDt8HS
Cos that ALWAYS works...0 -
Reckless Di Carp ?Scrapheap_as_was said:
erm, I think I prefer PTP's!Ninoinoz said:
Die scrap?Peter_the_Punter said:
Owning a racing greyhound is a cheap and exciting hobby, Scrapheap.Scrapheap_as_was said:
I'm at the dogs on the night of the DD get together and it occurs to me my plan to own a dog will allows the opportunity to name him or her "Traitorous Pig Dog" at that time... I may need to accelerate that plan!TheScreamingEagles said:
I know, took everything not to call them TPDScrapheap_as_was said:Well done at number 10.... superb restraint.
I see Farage wants to privatise the NHS now or he did... policies outside of johnny foreigners aren't really UKIPs forte as we know.
Not sure you will get away with naming one Traitorous Pig Dog though. They have rules about these things.
How about Perdicas? It sounds nice, vaguely classical even, but it is of course an anagram of...well, work it out for yourself.
How about Reckless Tw@ or might that be too subtle?0 -
He's donated a minimum of £50k to the ToriesRobD said:
Either he's started donating again, or dire times for the Tories!TheScreamingEagles said:Big big story in the Times
Lord Ashcroft back among Tories’ top donors
The Guardian has kinda the story without the Times' research into linking the name
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/12/tory-dining-clubs-bankrolling-election-campaign-key-seats0 -
Isn't there some actual wriggle room on the "paying down the debt" thing for the government though, given that they have recently paid off some old debts that we were paying much higher interest rates on?another_richard said:
EdM 'forgets' to mention the deficit in his conference speech.welshowl said:
The incredible thing is Ed appears even more clueless... nods to rent controls, gas price freeze ( as the wholesale price now plummets!), magical house building in the hundreds of thousands from nowhere having threatened to confiscate the land in the first place, and the defecit is so important he forgot it from his conference speech ( maybe it's gone for a walk on Hampstead Heath and is talking to strangers on park benches there?). We should be afraid.
Cameron lies again about "paying down Britain's debts" in his conference speech.
The election debates will interesting.
I know it's similar political gaming to the "reducing the £1,7bn by a half victory" last week that annoyed me, but they do have something there to back it up.0 -
Has he kissed and made up with David Cameron?TheScreamingEagles said:Big big story in the Times
Lord Ashcroft back among Tories’ top donors0 -
Not publicly, but it looks like he's donating again.antifrank said:
Has he kissed and made up with David Cameron?TheScreamingEagles said:Big big story in the Times
Lord Ashcroft back among Tories’ top donors0 -
OMG Ed Miliband has started putting song titles into his speeches
ITV News @itvnews
Miliband: Labour will make UK work for 'everyday people'
http://www.itv.com/news/story/2014-11-10/ed-miliband-denies-crisis-of-confidence-in-him/ …0 -
Maybe he could hire somebody to shout "ParkLife" at the end of each sentence of tomorrows relaunch?TheScreamingEagles said:OMG Ed Miliband has started putting song titles into his speeches
ITV News @itvnews
Miliband: Labour will make UK work for 'everyday people'
http://www.itv.com/news/story/2014-11-10/ed-miliband-denies-crisis-of-confidence-in-him/ …0 -
8m Robin Brant ✔ @robindbrant
On leadership woes @Ed_Miliband tells BBC 'what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.'
Hmm... doubt I'll be able to sell him any critical illness insurance then..... .another hammer blow to the small businessman.0 -
I wonder if there was anything like "quiet bat people" crossed off the list before they came up with that?TheScreamingEagles said:OMG Ed Miliband has started putting song titles into his speeches
ITV News @itvnews
Miliband: Labour will make UK work for 'everyday people'
http://www.itv.com/news/story/2014-11-10/ed-miliband-denies-crisis-of-confidence-in-him/ …0 -
6, 8 and 10 are bad things.manofkent2014 said:
Well if you want to be like that let's look at the Tories Secret Manifesto shall we? Well some Tory wanted to do this at some point) but hey for the purposes of PBTory accuracy it must be a 'secret :manifesto'Scrapheap_as_was said:Well done at number 10.... superb restraint.
I see Farage wants to privatise the NHS now or he did... policies outside of johnny foreigners aren't really UKIPs forte as we know.
VAT on Food
VAT on Children's Clothes
Abolition of Maternity Pay/ Leave
Regional Pay
Charging for supermarket parking
Minimum Alcohol Pricing
Abolishing Job Centres
Snooper's Charter
'cloud-busting' technology which shoots particles to disperse overcast skies.
Giving HMRC unfettered access to people's bank accounts
Selling NHS Patient Details to 3rd Parties
Privatising The NHS
Selling The NHS to US Companies (TTIP)
The list of what the Coalition has achieved is actually even more impressive in many ways.
1 and 2 only in the interests of simplification.
Apart from that.where do I sign?0 -
Ed "Man of the People" speaks human...
@DPJHodges: Guardian: "In a defiant message to critics within the party...the Labour leader will quote the German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche".0 -
Here's the outline of the speech
Embattled Miliband vows to challenge Britain’s ‘zero-zero’ economy
Labour leader launches fightback with speech condemning zero-hours contracts for poor and zero tax rates for rich
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/12/miliband-fightback-labour-victims-zero-zero-britain?CMP=twt_gu0 -
@DPJHodges: Ed Miliband. From hero, to "zero-zero". No, seriously...TheScreamingEagles said:Here's the outline of the speech
Embattled Miliband vows to challenge Britain’s ‘zero-zero’ economy
Labour leader launches fightback with speech condemning zero-hours contracts for poor and zero tax rates for rich
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/12/miliband-fightback-labour-victims-zero-zero-britain?CMP=twt_gu0 -
Nigel Farage ✔ @Nigel_Farage
Ed Miliband is due to give a speech tomorrow in which he will yet again attack UKIP for standing up for British people. Unelectable. A joke
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He'd be better off singing the lyrics from Radiohead's brilliant CreepFrancisUrquhart said:
Maybe he could hire somebody to shout "ParkLife" at the end of each sentence of tomorrows relaunch?TheScreamingEagles said:OMG Ed Miliband has started putting song titles into his speeches
ITV News @itvnews
Miliband: Labour will make UK work for 'everyday people'
http://www.itv.com/news/story/2014-11-10/ed-miliband-denies-crisis-of-confidence-in-him/ …
But I'm a creep,
I'm a weirdo,
What the hell am I doing here?
I don't belong here0 -
Seriously, is there anyone left who hasn't said that Ed is crap? If there is I can only assume they must be standing for Labour in the election.JonnyJimmy said:Is there anyone left other than Nick Palmer to admit that Ed is crap?
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he doth protest too much methinks...Tykejohnno said:
Nigel Farage ✔ @Nigel_Farage
Ed Miliband is due to give a speech tomorrow in which he will yet again attack UKIP for standing up for British people. Unelectable. A joke0 -
"Britain’s ‘zero-zero’ economy"
How long do we think this latest mantra will last? Longer than One Nation?0 -
I think Ed's fightback may be the greatest fightback since Monty led our boys and our Commonwealth/Empire troops to a brilliant victory at the Second Battle of El Alamein.0
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Whom he would happily prop up.Tykejohnno said:
Nigel Farage ✔ @Nigel_Farage
Ed Miliband is due to give a speech tomorrow in which he will yet again attack UKIP for standing up for British people. Unelectable. A joke
Don't get me wrong, it's a legitimate thing to do, and no reason not to vote UKIP if that is what someone is thinking of doing, but still funny though.
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@nickbarleyedin: Astounding. Latest opinion poll for Scotland from Ipsos Mori:
SNP: 59% (+21)
Lab: 14% (-19)
Con: 12% (-5)
Green: 8% (+6)
Lib: 4% (-1)0 -
Will the Weird Man be turning up the volume.TheScreamingEagles said:Here's the outline of the speech
Embattled Miliband vows to challenge Britain’s ‘zero-zero’ economy
Labour leader launches fightback with speech condemning zero-hours contracts for poor and zero tax rates for rich
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/12/miliband-fightback-labour-victims-zero-zero-britain?CMP=twt_gu
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Neil Henderson ✔ @hendopolis
EXPRESS: UKIP on way to election triumph #tomorrowspaperstoday #BBCPapers pic.twitter.com/mdVXxbWRxW
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If you include the nationalised banks, the debt is actually down as a proportion of GDP. In inflation adjusted terms, the absolute debt is also down.JonnyJimmy said:Isn't there some actual wriggle room on the "paying down the debt" thing for the government though,
It's all economic gobbledegook though to baffle the majority.0 -
Ed Miliband will insist he wants to act as a "wealth creator" and is not planning a "big spending" spree if he becomes Prime Minister.
The embattled Labour leader, who has faced calls to step down, will say he is resilient and ready for the fight.
However, last night he admitted that the leadership crisis had worried the public, saying it was “fair to say” his party “haven’t had the best couple of weeks”.
In his speech, will acknowledge that his party made mistakes on immigration when in Government but will claim that pandering to the UK Independence Party would be a return to a more “unjust past”.
In a major change of emphasis, he will now say he is determined to rein in public spending and reduce the deficit if he wins the election.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/active/11227128/Ed-Miliband-claims-he-is-now-a-wealth-creator.html0 -
On an admission form for a detox clinic I suggest!GeoffM said:
6, 8 and 10 are bad things.manofkent2014 said:
Well if you want to be like that let's look at the Tories Secret Manifesto shall we? Well some Tory wanted to do this at some point) but hey for the purposes of PBTory accuracy it must be a 'secret :manifesto'Scrapheap_as_was said:Well done at number 10.... superb restraint.
I see Farage wants to privatise the NHS now or he did... policies outside of johnny foreigners aren't really UKIPs forte as we know.
VAT on Food
VAT on Children's Clothes
Abolition of Maternity Pay/ Leave
Regional Pay
Charging for supermarket parking
Minimum Alcohol Pricing
Abolishing Job Centres
Snooper's Charter
'cloud-busting' technology which shoots particles to disperse overcast skies.
Giving HMRC unfettered access to people's bank accounts
Selling NHS Patient Details to 3rd Parties
Privatising The NHS
Selling The NHS to US Companies (TTIP)
The list of what the Coalition has achieved is actually even more impressive in many ways.
1 and 2 only in the interests of simplification.
Apart from that.where do I sign?0 -
@SamCoatesTimes: Miliband also tells Nick Robinson that "powerful forces" out to get him - this rather tops mediocre speech briefing http://t.co/8VsDet7FJc0
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Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes
Miliband also tells Nick Robinson that "powerful forces" out to get him - this rather tops mediocre speech briefing
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This 0% tax paid by the rich, is he referring to IHT planning by families affected.... bit of a tightrope if so?0
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Another bad day for Ed Miliband with wage now rising faster than inflation following that Mori poll, and he had to welcome it in BBC interview but saying cost of living crisis not over, promising rise in minimum wage, reform of banks etc
As for Chuka Umunna, as a Miliband loyalist (he backed him in 2010) now seeming to have gained the backing of the Blairite group progress, his prospects to succeed Miliband if he is defeated have grown further as someone who can unite all wings of the party
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Yes, Ed M is a fighter against powerful forces, not some establishment figure himself. Good stuff.TheScreamingEagles said:Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes
Miliband also tells Nick Robinson that "powerful forces" out to get him - this rather tops mediocre speech briefing
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2Rhbo9CIAAReZY.jpg0 -
@IsabelHardman: Miliband missed a real trick not reciting 'I see pride, I see power' from Cool Runnings when @bbcnickrobinson asked what he saw in mirror
journalists openly mocking the speech, and he hasn't even given it yet0 -
IHT seems to be one of those taxes that the very rich avoid, and the moderately well off pay through the nose with.Scrapheap_as_was said:This 0% tax paid by the rich, is he referring to IHT planning by families affected.... bit of a tightrope if so?
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OMFG!!! Has he completely lost it, on top of being weird and craperoo?Scott_P said:@SamCoatesTimes: Miliband also tells Nick Robinson that "powerful forces" out to get him - this rather tops mediocre speech briefing http://t.co/8VsDet7FJc
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I'm going to make my most confident prediction ever - Chuka Umuna will NEVER be Prime Minister.HYUFD said:Another bad day for Ed Miliband with wage now rising faster than inflation following that Mori poll, and he had to welcome it in BBC interview but saying cost of living crisis not over, promising rise in minimum wage, reform of banks etc
As for Chuka Umunna, as a Miliband loyalist (he backed him in 2010) now seeming to have gained the backing of the Blairite group progress, his prospects to succeed Miliband if he is defeated have grown further as someone who can unite all wings of the party0 -
Indeed..... but they can do 'stuff' if they plan and take advice.... I won't suggest who from of course....Pulpstar said:
IHT seems to be one of those taxes that the very rich avoid, and the moderately well off pay through the nose with.Scrapheap_as_was said:This 0% tax paid by the rich, is he referring to IHT planning by families affected.... bit of a tightrope if so?
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Feck me - I will gladly show him my tax billTheScreamingEagles said:Here's the outline of the speech
Embattled Miliband vows to challenge Britain’s ‘zero-zero’ economy
Labour leader launches fightback with speech condemning zero-hours contracts for poor and zero tax rates for rich
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/12/miliband-fightback-labour-victims-zero-zero-britain?CMP=twt_gu0 -
Like!!!TheScreamingEagles said:
He'd be better off singing the lyrics from Radiohead's brilliant CreepFrancisUrquhart said:
Maybe he could hire somebody to shout "ParkLife" at the end of each sentence of tomorrows relaunch?TheScreamingEagles said:OMG Ed Miliband has started putting song titles into his speeches
ITV News @itvnews
Miliband: Labour will make UK work for 'everyday people'
http://www.itv.com/news/story/2014-11-10/ed-miliband-denies-crisis-of-confidence-in-him/ …
But I'm a creep,
I'm a weirdo,
What the hell am I doing here?
I don't belong here0 -
so the new labour #trend is #6monthstowin..... now why they need to start predicting spurs results I really don't know.0
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Is it just me or has anybody else noticed Ed 's a teeny bit shit?0
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Actually I think the press do seem out to get him and Farage more than Cameron (Clegg is seemingly an irrelevance).JonnyJimmy said:
OMFG!!! Has he completely lost it, on top of being weird and craperoo?Scott_P said:@SamCoatesTimes: Miliband also tells Nick Robinson that "powerful forces" out to get him - this rather tops mediocre speech briefing http://t.co/8VsDet7FJc
I think his stance on Leveson is the key, and Lynton Crosby has done a heinously tremendous job on him.
Farage has handled the press onslaught far far better than Miliband0 -
Attempting to shore up the core.
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FANTASTIC...... check out the other sticker.... this household like their dogs clearly!! at least the porcine variety may only be til May.
https://twitter.com/DouglasCarswell/status/532659163839860736/photo/10 -
The one person to defend him here this week is Nick Palmer. I think that says it all.saddened said:Is it just me or has anybody else noticed Ed 's a teeny bit shit?
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Surely RadioEd not Radiohead... I'll get me coat...TheScreamingEagles said:
He'd be better off singing the lyrics from Radiohead's brilliant CreepFrancisUrquhart said:
Maybe he could hire somebody to shout "ParkLife" at the end of each sentence of tomorrows relaunch?TheScreamingEagles said:OMG Ed Miliband has started putting song titles into his speeches
ITV News @itvnews
Miliband: Labour will make UK work for 'everyday people'
http://www.itv.com/news/story/2014-11-10/ed-miliband-denies-crisis-of-confidence-in-him/ …
But I'm a creep,
I'm a weirdo,
What the hell am I doing here?
I don't belong here0 -
Half of them think he is crap tooJonnyJimmy said:
Seriously, is there anyone left who hasn't said that Ed is crap? If there is I can only assume they must be standing for Labour in the election.JonnyJimmy said:Is there anyone left other than Nick Palmer to admit that Ed is crap?
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Not making a grab for the centre thenTheScreamingEagles said:Here's the outline of the speech
Embattled Miliband vows to challenge Britain’s ‘zero-zero’ economy
Labour leader launches fightback with speech condemning zero-hours contracts for poor and zero tax rates for rich
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/12/miliband-fightback-labour-victims-zero-zero-britain?CMP=twt_gu0 -
Has he just read roger's posts on pb?TheScreamingEagles said:Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes
Miliband also tells Nick Robinson that "powerful forces" out to get him - this rather tops mediocre speech briefing
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2Rhbo9CIAAReZY.jpg0 -
Pulpstar I am going to make my own prediction, in 2020 he will!0
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Hang on to your tin-foil hats folks we're heading for the Twilight Zone.......Scott_P said:@SamCoatesTimes: Miliband also tells Nick Robinson that "powerful forces" out to get him - this rather tops mediocre speech briefing http://t.co/8VsDet7FJc
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SeanT/Scott P Once devomax legislation is introduced at Westminster in January the SNP surge will begin to recede0
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But surely the point is one of natural justice: he has served the penalty that the law deemed appropriate. Now that has been completed, he should be allowed to resume his humdrum existence without fear or favour.SquareRoot said:
Roger, you should listen with both ears.. many on r2 contradicted the police officer to say he had served long enough. I don't agree ,.. he should rot in prison for what he did...., but hey lets not let the truth get in the way of a political point.Roger said:
"So Dave was right about gay marriage it seems, though I think even the kippers are coming round to it. Small c conservatism is fading."
Having listened to the radio this morning where people were queuing up to say a Sheffield footballer should never be allowed near a football ground again and then a similar number up in arms because the parole board have decided to release a 78 year old man after 48 years in prison it doesn't feel like small c conservatism is fading. But I suppose it depends how you define it.
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Do you think any of that half might be on here refusing to support him? That would be quite amusingFloater said:
Half of them think he is crap tooJonnyJimmy said:
Seriously, is there anyone left who hasn't said that Ed is crap? If there is I can only assume they must be standing for Labour in the election.JonnyJimmy said:Is there anyone left other than Nick Palmer to admit that Ed is crap?
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Douglas Carswell MP ✔ @DouglasCarswell
Journo in #rochester today told me how David Cameron had boasted of how he'd "kick Mark Reckless' fat arse". Seriously
this new politics is great... the insurgents really are showing a new way of doing business...0 -
Sun Politics @Sun_Politics
YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by three: CON 32%, LAB 35%, LD 7%, UKIP 15%, GRN 6%0 -
The gold would have paid for a couple of weeks' deficit, and the major problems with pensions were companies taking pension holidays, takeovers to get control of overfunded pension schemes, and just plain old longer lives. There is a valid, major criticism of Gordon Brown that you missed, which is PFI, but gold and pensions are really not.SquareRoot said:Brown F8cked UK PLC bigtime. Why anyone (apart from Neil) could think otherwise is beyond belief.. lets not forget how many peoples pensions he royally screwed or how he sold our gold for a couple of mars bars.
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Sun Politics @Sun_Politics
YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by three: CON 32%, LAB 35%, LD 7%, UKIP 15%, GRN 6%
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Ed is Saved!!TheScreamingEagles said:Sun Politics @Sun_Politics
YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by three: CON 32%, LAB 35%, LD 7%, UKIP 15%, GRN 6%0 -
Chuckie could sneer down his nose for Britain......Pulpstar said:
I'm going to make my most confident prediction ever - Chuka Umuna will NEVER be Prime Minister.HYUFD said:Another bad day for Ed Miliband with wage now rising faster than inflation following that Mori poll, and he had to welcome it in BBC interview but saying cost of living crisis not over, promising rise in minimum wage, reform of banks etc
As for Chuka Umunna, as a Miliband loyalist (he backed him in 2010) now seeming to have gained the backing of the Blairite group progress, his prospects to succeed Miliband if he is defeated have grown further as someone who can unite all wings of the party0 -
He's a bit slow, I covered that in September.Scrapheap_as_was said:Douglas Carswell MP ✔ @DouglasCarswell
Journo in #rochester today told me how David Cameron had boasted of how he'd "kick Mark Reckless' fat arse". Seriously
this new politics is great... the insurgents really are showing a new way of doing business...0 -
Everybody back up the truck....Labour nailed on, all hail the forthcoming Great Leader Ed.TheScreamingEagles said:Sun Politics @Sun_Politics
YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by three: CON 32%, LAB 35%, LD 7%, UKIP 15%, GRN 6%
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Tonights YG LAB 340 CON 265 LD 18 (UKPR)
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Interestingly on this, the "market" seems to be working. Two of Sheffield Utd's shirt sponsors have said they'll withdraw their support if they reemploy him.Charles said:
But surely the point is one of natural justice: he has served the penalty that the law deemed appropriate. Now that has been completed, he should be allowed to resume his humdrum existence without fear or favour.SquareRoot said:
Roger, you should listen with both ears.. many on r2 contradicted the police officer to say he had served long enough. I don't agree ,.. he should rot in prison for what he did...., but hey lets not let the truth get in the way of a political point.Roger said:
"So Dave was right about gay marriage it seems, though I think even the kippers are coming round to it. Small c conservatism is fading."
Having listened to the radio this morning where people were queuing up to say a Sheffield footballer should never be allowed near a football ground again and then a similar number up in arms because the parole board have decided to release a 78 year old man after 48 years in prison it doesn't feel like small c conservatism is fading. But I suppose it depends how you define it.
If you believe he served too short a sentence, get the law changed. Don't prevent him working.0 -
ARF! Basiliscious!TheScreamingEagles said:Sun Politics @Sun_Politics
YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by three: CON 32%, LAB 35%, LD 7%, UKIP 15%, GRN 6%0 -
Something surprising; the most prevalent users of zero hours contracts are the charity/not for profit sector.0
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Is this a good time to remind folk that was Ipsos-Mori was second/top pollster in the last two general elections, whilst YouGov were, lol0
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Double ARF!TheScreamingEagles said:Is this a good time to remind folk that was Ipsos-Mori was second/top pollster in the last two general elections, whilst YouGov were, lol
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What I find odd about this. In recent years there have been 2 footballers jailed for killing people and a number of others for rape / sexual assault. The two killers came out and resumed their careers without hardly any of this noise.JonnyJimmy said:
Interestingly on this, the "market" seems to be working. Two of Sheffield Utd's shirt sponsors have said they'll withdraw their support if they reemploy him.Charles said:
But surely the point is one of natural justice: he has served the penalty that the law deemed appropriate. Now that has been completed, he should be allowed to resume his humdrum existence without fear or favour.SquareRoot said:
Roger, you should listen with both ears.. many on r2 contradicted the police officer to say he had served long enough. I don't agree ,.. he should rot in prison for what he did...., but hey lets not let the truth get in the way of a political point.Roger said:
"So Dave was right about gay marriage it seems, though I think even the kippers are coming round to it. Small c conservatism is fading."
Having listened to the radio this morning where people were queuing up to say a Sheffield footballer should never be allowed near a football ground again and then a similar number up in arms because the parole board have decided to release a 78 year old man after 48 years in prison it doesn't feel like small c conservatism is fading. But I suppose it depends how you define it.
If you believe he served too short a sentence, get the law changed. Don't prevent him working.
Where was the media outrage in relation to those cases?
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Indeed. Everything going according to plan! :-)Danny565 said:35% strategy back on
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Quite. If I had to try to pinpoint a particular moment when it seemed UKIP had been accepted as a regular mainstream party in the last few years it was when they were referred to as such by the others when there was that story about foster kids being taken away because the foster parents were UKIP supporters, and I would think there would be few people to defend such an action as reported unless there are some major missing factors that have not emerged.SeanT said:Incendiary. If true.
"School governor told to resign for being a member of UKIP".
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/11/12/School-Governor-Told-to-Resign-For-Being-a-Member-of-UKIP/ …0 -
Unite the party? I'll be quitting the party if a full-fledged Progressite gets the job.HYUFD said:Another bad day for Ed Miliband with wage now rising faster than inflation following that Mori poll, and he had to welcome it in BBC interview but saying cost of living crisis not over, promising rise in minimum wage, reform of banks etc
As for Chuka Umunna, as a Miliband loyalist (he backed him in 2010) now seeming to have gained the backing of the Blairite group progress, his prospects to succeed Miliband if he is defeated have grown further as someone who can unite all wings of the party0 -
Weird Ed is still available at good odds against to be next PM, if you believe your numbers you should pile in!bigjohnowls said:Tonights YG LAB 340 CON 265 LD 18 (UKPR)
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A Tory lead in the polls now and again at least keeps the PB Hodges busy.NickPalmer said:0 -
Gold, pensions, deficit, overspending, charisma bypass...... etc etc these are all valid criticisms of the worst Prime Minister in these islands history.. There has never been a more unsuited person to the office of Prime Minister.. Sadly Labour coronated the old fool.. one would have thought that one person with the charisma of a frozen pea was enough in the history of the Labour Party... but they chose another immediately afterwards.DecrepitJohnL said:
The gold would have paid for a couple of weeks' deficit, and the major problems with pensions were companies taking pension holidays, takeovers to get control of overfunded pension schemes, and just plain old longer lives. There is a valid, major criticism of Gordon Brown that you missed, which is PFI, but gold and pensions are really not.SquareRoot said:Brown F8cked UK PLC bigtime. Why anyone (apart from Neil) could think otherwise is beyond belief.. lets not forget how many peoples pensions he royally screwed or how he sold our gold for a couple of mars bars.
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Presumably he would score "nul points" in the UKvision contest?FrancisUrquhart said:"Britain’s ‘zero-zero’ economy"
How long do we think this latest mantra will last? Longer than One Nation?
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Sorry, this old trotting out of " holidays" wont wash. Gordon's wonderful tax on dividends for pensions now (17 yrs on) accounts for about 40% of our deficit on its own. The Kafkaesque Byzantine twilight zone which is the 2004 Pensions Act ( admittedly together with longevity increases) and QE have collapsed the private sector defined benefit system in near totality. It no longer exists beyond vestigial form and we are merely presiding over its last rites. Gordon has his sticky fingerprints as a major contributory factor in this catastrophe.DecrepitJohnL said:
The gold would have paid for a couple of weeks' deficit, and the major problems with pensions were companies taking pension holidays, takeovers to get control of overfunded pension schemes, and just plain old longer lives. There is a valid, major criticism of Gordon Brown that you missed, which is PFI, but gold and pensions are really not.SquareRoot said:Brown F8cked UK PLC bigtime. Why anyone (apart from Neil) could think otherwise is beyond belief.. lets not forget how many peoples pensions he royally screwed or how he sold our gold for a couple of mars bars.
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New leader who has had to apologise for her predecessor on numerous occasions. Problem for Nicola is that she is just too honest. Once the Yestapo realise this, then the poll ratings for the SNP will fall.SeanT said:
That's the same subsample, isn't it? Thus the usual caveats.Scott_P said:@nickbarleyedin: Astounding. Latest opinion poll for Scotland from Ipsos Mori:
SNP: 59% (+21)
Lab: 14% (-19)
Con: 12% (-5)
Green: 8% (+6)
Lib: 4% (-1)
Nonetheless unideal for Labour.
Then the SNP have made so much of Labour Heartlands in Glasgow voting Yes, they seem to have forgotten that their own heartlands including Salmond's own constituency, voted NO!0 -
Everyone knows that UKIP are entirely unlike the political class and professional politicians, even when they are members of the political class and professional politicians. Except when they demonstrably do act like any other political party, in which case how dare anyone attack them for acting like members of the political class and professional politicians, everyone acts the same way.Scrapheap_as_was said:Douglas Carswell MP ✔ @DouglasCarswell
Journo in #rochester today told me how David Cameron had boasted of how he'd "kick Mark Reckless' fat arse". Seriously
this new politics is great... the insurgents really are showing a new way of doing business...
Which would be fine were part of their appeal not based on not being like the others, but oh well. I am very interested how well UKIP hold up with a handful of MPs, unable to avoid the sorts of behaviours they condemn. Should be fun times seeing them adapt.
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35% now looks like a stunningly good figure for Labour, right at the top of the range.0
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Ah.. The Milibelievers have all jumped out of hiding!
So compouter and BJO, do you not think he's craperoo?0 -
@MShapland: Ed Miliband to talk about a 'Zero Zero' economy tomorrow - is that like the zero growth zero job creation economy plan Labour has?0
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SquareRoot The Tories picked Hague, followed by IDS, Labour, in picking Brown and Ed Miliband, have simply matched them0
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Ed Miliband has said he "absolutely" sees a prime minister when he looks in the mirror in the morning.SquareRoot said:Ed is deluded
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30025957
"Mirror, Mirror On The Wall
Who is the weirdest of them all?"0 -
Please. Please. Please.HYUFD said:Another bad day for Ed Miliband with wage now rising faster than inflation following that Mori poll, and he had to welcome it in BBC interview but saying cost of living crisis not over, promising rise in minimum wage, reform of banks etc
As for Chuka Umunna, as a Miliband loyalist (he backed him in 2010) now seeming to have gained the backing of the Blairite group progress, his prospects to succeed Miliband if he is defeated have grown further as someone who can unite all wings of the party
What do I have to do to get Chuka elected leader of Labour?0 -
Miliband is going to lead the Labour Party in hitherto uncharted territory...JonnyJimmy said:Ah.. The Milibelievers have all jumped out of hiding!
So compouter and BJO, do you not think he's craperoo?0 -
Infamy infamy !
@DPJHodges: Ed will also claim that "powerful forces" are out to get him, including the banks and the energy companies. This is getting silly now.0 -
May be I'm naive, but I thought it was the job of the governors to hold the head to account?SeanT said:Incendiary. If true.
"School governor told to resign for being a member of UKIP".
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/11/12/School-Governor-Told-to-Resign-For-Being-a-Member-of-UKIP/ …
If so, he should quit in shame for rolling over when asked to.0 -
MaxPB No, delaying it until after the election would be a huge boost to the SNP. What the Tories look likely to do is pass most of the devomax legislation before May to kill the SNP surge, but press on with EVEL at the same time to harm Labour (albeit passing devomax regardless), if Labour vote EVEL down they will hugely annoy English voters just before the election0
