No. 4 made me cringe even more than Ed M. The idea that the son of a millionaire from north London 'gets' inequality is so funny. Wrong, wrong, wrong on just so many levels. The Independent sinks to a new low with this sort of garbage.
It is perfectly possible for the son of a millionaire from north London to 'get' inequality, even if they have have always had a privileged life, as Ed M himself said early on in his leadership, that he was not a member of the 'squeezed middle'. My only problem with that is that Labour attacks, when they are being lazy, imply that Cameron cannot get such issues or understand such issues because he is posh, which would seem to indicate they believe people like Cameron and Miliband cannot get such things. It's amazing how often they make the mistake of implying because Cameron is posh and out of touch he cannot understand such concerns, when their own variably posh and out of touch leaders can, when all they have to do is say that Tories of any stripe do not understand such things. It'd be wrong, but not so obviously hypocritical.
That said, my skepticism Ed could do something about it remains, though I do not doubt his sincerity. He seems a pleasant enough chap.
But that it precisely the tribal Labour mentality: the Tories cannot understand inequality because they are Tories; we 'get it' because we are Labour.
Now, Labour isn't the only party to have intellectually lazy members and supporters, nor to ascribe to themselves and their opponents characteristics or values that are at best caricatures and at worst plain falsehoods, but they are particularly good at it.
You make a good point about it not being a purely Labour tactic of course, although given the success of the Labour brand, relative to the Tory one, even now, then either they really are very good at it and people believe it, or they are correct. I don't see them as obviously more moral than the Tories, but either way more people disagree with me than agree on that score.
I see Farage wants to privatise the NHS now or he did... policies outside of johnny foreigners aren't really UKIPs forte as we know.
I know, took everything not to call them TPD
I'm at the dogs on the night of the DD get together and it occurs to me my plan to own a dog will allows the opportunity to name him or her "Traitorous Pig Dog" at that time... I may need to accelerate that plan!
Don't blow those Rochester winnings all at once !
I know, I've never walked in to a track with £4k in my pockets before..... quick out, EP, rails, ran on.. fill my boots time!
it doesn't feel like small c conservatism is fading. But I suppose it depends how you define it.
I think things can get a little more complicated - society may seem to be getting more conservative in some respect even as liberalism abounds in others.
That's obviously so. Also, people will differ over the definitions of what is "liberal" and what is "conservative" . Banning prostitution and pornography may sound liberal when feminists advocate such measures. They sound highly conservative when evangelical Christians advocate them.
I see Farage wants to privatise the NHS now or he did... policies outside of johnny foreigners aren't really UKIPs forte as we know.
Well if you want to be like that let's look at the Tories Secret Manifesto shall we? Well some Tory wanted to do this at some point) but hey for the purposes of PBTory accuracy it must be a 'secret :manifesto'
VAT on Food VAT on Children's Clothes Abolition of Maternity Pay/ Leave Regional Pay Charging for supermarket parking Minimum Alcohol Pricing Abolishing Job Centres Snooper's Charter 'cloud-busting' technology which shoots particles to disperse overcast skies. Giving HMRC unfettered access to people's bank accounts Selling NHS Patient Details to 3rd Parties Privatising The NHS Selling The NHS to US Companies (TTIP)
The list of what the Coalition has achieved is actually even more impressive in many ways.
I see Farage wants to privatise the NHS now or he did... policies outside of johnny foreigners aren't really UKIPs forte as we know.
I know, took everything not to call them TPD
I'm at the dogs on the night of the DD get together and it occurs to me my plan to own a dog will allows the opportunity to name him or her "Traitorous Pig Dog" at that time... I may need to accelerate that plan!
Owning a racing greyhound is a cheap and exciting hobby, Scrapheap.
Not sure you will get away with naming one Traitorous Pig Dog though. They have rules about these things.
How about Perdicas? It sounds nice, vaguely classical even, but it is of course an anagram of...well, work it out for yourself.
Die scrap?
erm, I think I prefer PTP's!
How about Reckless Tw@ or might that be too subtle?
The incredible thing is Ed appears even more clueless... nods to rent controls, gas price freeze ( as the wholesale price now plummets!), magical house building in the hundreds of thousands from nowhere having threatened to confiscate the land in the first place, and the defecit is so important he forgot it from his conference speech ( maybe it's gone for a walk on Hampstead Heath and is talking to strangers on park benches there?). We should be afraid.
EdM 'forgets' to mention the deficit in his conference speech.
Cameron lies again about "paying down Britain's debts" in his conference speech.
The election debates will interesting.
Isn't there some actual wriggle room on the "paying down the debt" thing for the government though, given that they have recently paid off some old debts that we were paying much higher interest rates on?
I know it's similar political gaming to the "reducing the £1,7bn by a half victory" last week that annoyed me, but they do have something there to back it up.
I see Farage wants to privatise the NHS now or he did... policies outside of johnny foreigners aren't really UKIPs forte as we know.
Well if you want to be like that let's look at the Tories Secret Manifesto shall we? Well some Tory wanted to do this at some point) but hey for the purposes of PBTory accuracy it must be a 'secret :manifesto'
VAT on Food VAT on Children's Clothes Abolition of Maternity Pay/ Leave Regional Pay Charging for supermarket parking Minimum Alcohol Pricing Abolishing Job Centres Snooper's Charter 'cloud-busting' technology which shoots particles to disperse overcast skies. Giving HMRC unfettered access to people's bank accounts Selling NHS Patient Details to 3rd Parties Privatising The NHS Selling The NHS to US Companies (TTIP)
The list of what the Coalition has achieved is actually even more impressive in many ways.
6, 8 and 10 are bad things. 1 and 2 only in the interests of simplification. Apart from that.where do I sign?
I think Ed's fightback may be the greatest fightback since Monty led our boys and our Commonwealth/Empire troops to a brilliant victory at the Second Battle of El Alamein.
Ed Miliband is due to give a speech tomorrow in which he will yet again attack UKIP for standing up for British people. Unelectable. A joke
Whom he would happily prop up.
Don't get me wrong, it's a legitimate thing to do, and no reason not to vote UKIP if that is what someone is thinking of doing, but still funny though.
Ed Miliband will insist he wants to act as a "wealth creator" and is not planning a "big spending" spree if he becomes Prime Minister.
The embattled Labour leader, who has faced calls to step down, will say he is resilient and ready for the fight.
However, last night he admitted that the leadership crisis had worried the public, saying it was “fair to say” his party “haven’t had the best couple of weeks”.
In his speech, will acknowledge that his party made mistakes on immigration when in Government but will claim that pandering to the UK Independence Party would be a return to a more “unjust past”.
In a major change of emphasis, he will now say he is determined to rein in public spending and reduce the deficit if he wins the election.
I see Farage wants to privatise the NHS now or he did... policies outside of johnny foreigners aren't really UKIPs forte as we know.
Well if you want to be like that let's look at the Tories Secret Manifesto shall we? Well some Tory wanted to do this at some point) but hey for the purposes of PBTory accuracy it must be a 'secret :manifesto'
VAT on Food VAT on Children's Clothes Abolition of Maternity Pay/ Leave Regional Pay Charging for supermarket parking Minimum Alcohol Pricing Abolishing Job Centres Snooper's Charter 'cloud-busting' technology which shoots particles to disperse overcast skies. Giving HMRC unfettered access to people's bank accounts Selling NHS Patient Details to 3rd Parties Privatising The NHS Selling The NHS to US Companies (TTIP)
The list of what the Coalition has achieved is actually even more impressive in many ways.
6, 8 and 10 are bad things. 1 and 2 only in the interests of simplification. Apart from that.where do I sign?
On an admission form for a detox clinic I suggest!
@SamCoatesTimes: Miliband also tells Nick Robinson that "powerful forces" out to get him - this rather tops mediocre speech briefing http://t.co/8VsDet7FJc
Another bad day for Ed Miliband with wage now rising faster than inflation following that Mori poll, and he had to welcome it in BBC interview but saying cost of living crisis not over, promising rise in minimum wage, reform of banks etc
As for Chuka Umunna, as a Miliband loyalist (he backed him in 2010) now seeming to have gained the backing of the Blairite group progress, his prospects to succeed Miliband if he is defeated have grown further as someone who can unite all wings of the party
@IsabelHardman: Miliband missed a real trick not reciting 'I see pride, I see power' from Cool Runnings when @bbcnickrobinson asked what he saw in mirror
journalists openly mocking the speech, and he hasn't even given it yet
@SamCoatesTimes: Miliband also tells Nick Robinson that "powerful forces" out to get him - this rather tops mediocre speech briefing http://t.co/8VsDet7FJc
OMFG!!! Has he completely lost it, on top of being weird and craperoo?
Another bad day for Ed Miliband with wage now rising faster than inflation following that Mori poll, and he had to welcome it in BBC interview but saying cost of living crisis not over, promising rise in minimum wage, reform of banks etc
As for Chuka Umunna, as a Miliband loyalist (he backed him in 2010) now seeming to have gained the backing of the Blairite group progress, his prospects to succeed Miliband if he is defeated have grown further as someone who can unite all wings of the party
I'm going to make my most confident prediction ever - Chuka Umuna will NEVER be Prime Minister.
@SamCoatesTimes: Miliband also tells Nick Robinson that "powerful forces" out to get him - this rather tops mediocre speech briefing http://t.co/8VsDet7FJc
OMFG!!! Has he completely lost it, on top of being weird and craperoo?
Actually I think the press do seem out to get him and Farage more than Cameron (Clegg is seemingly an irrelevance).
I think his stance on Leveson is the key, and Lynton Crosby has done a heinously tremendous job on him.
Farage has handled the press onslaught far far better than Miliband
@SamCoatesTimes: Miliband also tells Nick Robinson that "powerful forces" out to get him - this rather tops mediocre speech briefing http://t.co/8VsDet7FJc
Hang on to your tin-foil hats folks we're heading for the Twilight Zone.......
"So Dave was right about gay marriage it seems, though I think even the kippers are coming round to it. Small c conservatism is fading."
Having listened to the radio this morning where people were queuing up to say a Sheffield footballer should never be allowed near a football ground again and then a similar number up in arms because the parole board have decided to release a 78 year old man after 48 years in prison it doesn't feel like small c conservatism is fading. But I suppose it depends how you define it.
Roger, you should listen with both ears.. many on r2 contradicted the police officer to say he had served long enough. I don't agree ,.. he should rot in prison for what he did...., but hey lets not let the truth get in the way of a political point.
But surely the point is one of natural justice: he has served the penalty that the law deemed appropriate. Now that has been completed, he should be allowed to resume his humdrum existence without fear or favour.
If you believe he served too short a sentence, get the law changed. Don't prevent him working.
Douglas Carswell MP ✔ @DouglasCarswell Journo in #rochester today told me how David Cameron had boasted of how he'd "kick Mark Reckless' fat arse". Seriously
this new politics is great... the insurgents really are showing a new way of doing business...
Brown F8cked UK PLC bigtime. Why anyone (apart from Neil) could think otherwise is beyond belief.. lets not forget how many peoples pensions he royally screwed or how he sold our gold for a couple of mars bars.
The gold would have paid for a couple of weeks' deficit, and the major problems with pensions were companies taking pension holidays, takeovers to get control of overfunded pension schemes, and just plain old longer lives. There is a valid, major criticism of Gordon Brown that you missed, which is PFI, but gold and pensions are really not.
Another bad day for Ed Miliband with wage now rising faster than inflation following that Mori poll, and he had to welcome it in BBC interview but saying cost of living crisis not over, promising rise in minimum wage, reform of banks etc
As for Chuka Umunna, as a Miliband loyalist (he backed him in 2010) now seeming to have gained the backing of the Blairite group progress, his prospects to succeed Miliband if he is defeated have grown further as someone who can unite all wings of the party
I'm going to make my most confident prediction ever - Chuka Umuna will NEVER be Prime Minister.
Chuckie could sneer down his nose for Britain......
Douglas Carswell MP ✔ @DouglasCarswell Journo in #rochester today told me how David Cameron had boasted of how he'd "kick Mark Reckless' fat arse". Seriously
this new politics is great... the insurgents really are showing a new way of doing business...
"So Dave was right about gay marriage it seems, though I think even the kippers are coming round to it. Small c conservatism is fading."
Having listened to the radio this morning where people were queuing up to say a Sheffield footballer should never be allowed near a football ground again and then a similar number up in arms because the parole board have decided to release a 78 year old man after 48 years in prison it doesn't feel like small c conservatism is fading. But I suppose it depends how you define it.
Roger, you should listen with both ears.. many on r2 contradicted the police officer to say he had served long enough. I don't agree ,.. he should rot in prison for what he did...., but hey lets not let the truth get in the way of a political point.
But surely the point is one of natural justice: he has served the penalty that the law deemed appropriate. Now that has been completed, he should be allowed to resume his humdrum existence without fear or favour.
If you believe he served too short a sentence, get the law changed. Don't prevent him working.
Interestingly on this, the "market" seems to be working. Two of Sheffield Utd's shirt sponsors have said they'll withdraw their support if they reemploy him.
"So Dave was right about gay marriage it seems, though I think even the kippers are coming round to it. Small c conservatism is fading."
Having listened to the radio this morning where people were queuing up to say a Sheffield footballer should never be allowed near a football ground again and then a similar number up in arms because the parole board have decided to release a 78 year old man after 48 years in prison it doesn't feel like small c conservatism is fading. But I suppose it depends how you define it.
Roger, you should listen with both ears.. many on r2 contradicted the police officer to say he had served long enough. I don't agree ,.. he should rot in prison for what he did...., but hey lets not let the truth get in the way of a political point.
But surely the point is one of natural justice: he has served the penalty that the law deemed appropriate. Now that has been completed, he should be allowed to resume his humdrum existence without fear or favour.
If you believe he served too short a sentence, get the law changed. Don't prevent him working.
Interestingly on this, the "market" seems to be working. Two of Sheffield Utd's shirt sponsors have said they'll withdraw their support if they reemploy him.
What I find odd about this. In recent years there have been 2 footballers jailed for killing people and a number of others for rape / sexual assault. The two killers came out and resumed their careers without hardly any of this noise.
Where was the media outrage in relation to those cases?
Quite. If I had to try to pinpoint a particular moment when it seemed UKIP had been accepted as a regular mainstream party in the last few years it was when they were referred to as such by the others when there was that story about foster kids being taken away because the foster parents were UKIP supporters, and I would think there would be few people to defend such an action as reported unless there are some major missing factors that have not emerged.
Another bad day for Ed Miliband with wage now rising faster than inflation following that Mori poll, and he had to welcome it in BBC interview but saying cost of living crisis not over, promising rise in minimum wage, reform of banks etc
As for Chuka Umunna, as a Miliband loyalist (he backed him in 2010) now seeming to have gained the backing of the Blairite group progress, his prospects to succeed Miliband if he is defeated have grown further as someone who can unite all wings of the party
Unite the party? I'll be quitting the party if a full-fledged Progressite gets the job.
Brown F8cked UK PLC bigtime. Why anyone (apart from Neil) could think otherwise is beyond belief.. lets not forget how many peoples pensions he royally screwed or how he sold our gold for a couple of mars bars.
The gold would have paid for a couple of weeks' deficit, and the major problems with pensions were companies taking pension holidays, takeovers to get control of overfunded pension schemes, and just plain old longer lives. There is a valid, major criticism of Gordon Brown that you missed, which is PFI, but gold and pensions are really not.
Gold, pensions, deficit, overspending, charisma bypass...... etc etc these are all valid criticisms of the worst Prime Minister in these islands history.. There has never been a more unsuited person to the office of Prime Minister.. Sadly Labour coronated the old fool.. one would have thought that one person with the charisma of a frozen pea was enough in the history of the Labour Party... but they chose another immediately afterwards.
Brown F8cked UK PLC bigtime. Why anyone (apart from Neil) could think otherwise is beyond belief.. lets not forget how many peoples pensions he royally screwed or how he sold our gold for a couple of mars bars.
The gold would have paid for a couple of weeks' deficit, and the major problems with pensions were companies taking pension holidays, takeovers to get control of overfunded pension schemes, and just plain old longer lives. There is a valid, major criticism of Gordon Brown that you missed, which is PFI, but gold and pensions are really not.
Sorry, this old trotting out of " holidays" wont wash. Gordon's wonderful tax on dividends for pensions now (17 yrs on) accounts for about 40% of our deficit on its own. The Kafkaesque Byzantine twilight zone which is the 2004 Pensions Act ( admittedly together with longevity increases) and QE have collapsed the private sector defined benefit system in near totality. It no longer exists beyond vestigial form and we are merely presiding over its last rites. Gordon has his sticky fingerprints as a major contributory factor in this catastrophe.
That's the same subsample, isn't it? Thus the usual caveats.
Nonetheless unideal for Labour.
New leader who has had to apologise for her predecessor on numerous occasions. Problem for Nicola is that she is just too honest. Once the Yestapo realise this, then the poll ratings for the SNP will fall.
Then the SNP have made so much of Labour Heartlands in Glasgow voting Yes, they seem to have forgotten that their own heartlands including Salmond's own constituency, voted NO!
Douglas Carswell MP ✔ @DouglasCarswell Journo in #rochester today told me how David Cameron had boasted of how he'd "kick Mark Reckless' fat arse". Seriously
this new politics is great... the insurgents really are showing a new way of doing business...
Everyone knows that UKIP are entirely unlike the political class and professional politicians, even when they are members of the political class and professional politicians. Except when they demonstrably do act like any other political party, in which case how dare anyone attack them for acting like members of the political class and professional politicians, everyone acts the same way.
Which would be fine were part of their appeal not based on not being like the others, but oh well. I am very interested how well UKIP hold up with a handful of MPs, unable to avoid the sorts of behaviours they condemn. Should be fun times seeing them adapt.
Another bad day for Ed Miliband with wage now rising faster than inflation following that Mori poll, and he had to welcome it in BBC interview but saying cost of living crisis not over, promising rise in minimum wage, reform of banks etc
As for Chuka Umunna, as a Miliband loyalist (he backed him in 2010) now seeming to have gained the backing of the Blairite group progress, his prospects to succeed Miliband if he is defeated have grown further as someone who can unite all wings of the party
Please. Please. Please.
What do I have to do to get Chuka elected leader of Labour?
MaxPB No, delaying it until after the election would be a huge boost to the SNP. What the Tories look likely to do is pass most of the devomax legislation before May to kill the SNP surge, but press on with EVEL at the same time to harm Labour (albeit passing devomax regardless), if Labour vote EVEL down they will hugely annoy English voters just before the election
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VAT on Food
VAT on Children's Clothes
Abolition of Maternity Pay/ Leave
Regional Pay
Charging for supermarket parking
Minimum Alcohol Pricing
Abolishing Job Centres
Snooper's Charter
'cloud-busting' technology which shoots particles to disperse overcast skies.
Giving HMRC unfettered access to people's bank accounts
Selling NHS Patient Details to 3rd Parties
Privatising The NHS
Selling The NHS to US Companies (TTIP)
The list of what the Coalition has achieved is actually even more impressive in many ways.
Cos that ALWAYS works...
The Guardian has kinda the story without the Times' research into linking the name
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/12/tory-dining-clubs-bankrolling-election-campaign-key-seats
I know it's similar political gaming to the "reducing the £1,7bn by a half victory" last week that annoyed me, but they do have something there to back it up.
ITV News @itvnews
Miliband: Labour will make UK work for 'everyday people'
http://www.itv.com/news/story/2014-11-10/ed-miliband-denies-crisis-of-confidence-in-him/ …
On leadership woes @Ed_Miliband tells BBC 'what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.'
Hmm... doubt I'll be able to sell him any critical illness insurance then..... .another hammer blow to the small businessman.
1 and 2 only in the interests of simplification.
Apart from that.where do I sign?
@DPJHodges: Guardian: "In a defiant message to critics within the party...the Labour leader will quote the German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche".
Embattled Miliband vows to challenge Britain’s ‘zero-zero’ economy
Labour leader launches fightback with speech condemning zero-hours contracts for poor and zero tax rates for rich
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/12/miliband-fightback-labour-victims-zero-zero-britain?CMP=twt_gu
Nigel Farage ✔ @Nigel_Farage
Ed Miliband is due to give a speech tomorrow in which he will yet again attack UKIP for standing up for British people. Unelectable. A joke
But I'm a creep,
I'm a weirdo,
What the hell am I doing here?
I don't belong here
How long do we think this latest mantra will last? Longer than One Nation?
Don't get me wrong, it's a legitimate thing to do, and no reason not to vote UKIP if that is what someone is thinking of doing, but still funny though.
SNP: 59% (+21)
Lab: 14% (-19)
Con: 12% (-5)
Green: 8% (+6)
Lib: 4% (-1)
Neil Henderson ✔ @hendopolis
EXPRESS: UKIP on way to election triumph #tomorrowspaperstoday #BBCPapers pic.twitter.com/mdVXxbWRxW
It's all economic gobbledegook though to baffle the majority.
The embattled Labour leader, who has faced calls to step down, will say he is resilient and ready for the fight.
However, last night he admitted that the leadership crisis had worried the public, saying it was “fair to say” his party “haven’t had the best couple of weeks”.
In his speech, will acknowledge that his party made mistakes on immigration when in Government but will claim that pandering to the UK Independence Party would be a return to a more “unjust past”.
In a major change of emphasis, he will now say he is determined to rein in public spending and reduce the deficit if he wins the election.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/active/11227128/Ed-Miliband-claims-he-is-now-a-wealth-creator.html
Miliband also tells Nick Robinson that "powerful forces" out to get him - this rather tops mediocre speech briefing
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2Rhbo9CIAAReZY.jpg
As for Chuka Umunna, as a Miliband loyalist (he backed him in 2010) now seeming to have gained the backing of the Blairite group progress, his prospects to succeed Miliband if he is defeated have grown further as someone who can unite all wings of the party
journalists openly mocking the speech, and he hasn't even given it yet
I think his stance on Leveson is the key, and Lynton Crosby has done a heinously tremendous job on him.
Farage has handled the press onslaught far far better than Miliband
https://twitter.com/DouglasCarswell/status/532659163839860736/photo/1
If you believe he served too short a sentence, get the law changed. Don't prevent him working.
Journo in #rochester today told me how David Cameron had boasted of how he'd "kick Mark Reckless' fat arse". Seriously
this new politics is great... the insurgents really are showing a new way of doing business...
YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by three: CON 32%, LAB 35%, LD 7%, UKIP 15%, GRN 6%
Sun Politics @Sun_Politics
YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by three: CON 32%, LAB 35%, LD 7%, UKIP 15%, GRN 6%
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EICIPM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30025957
Where was the media outrage in relation to those cases?
I'll get my coat...
Then the SNP have made so much of Labour Heartlands in Glasgow voting Yes, they seem to have forgotten that their own heartlands including Salmond's own constituency, voted NO!
Which would be fine were part of their appeal not based on not being like the others, but oh well. I am very interested how well UKIP hold up with a handful of MPs, unable to avoid the sorts of behaviours they condemn. Should be fun times seeing them adapt.
So compouter and BJO, do you not think he's craperoo?
"Mirror, Mirror On The Wall
Who is the weirdest of them all?"
What do I have to do to get Chuka elected leader of Labour?
@DPJHodges: Ed will also claim that "powerful forces" are out to get him, including the banks and the energy companies. This is getting silly now.
If so, he should quit in shame for rolling over when asked to.