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  • Big big story in the Times

    Lord Ashcroft back among Tories’ top donors

    Tipping point.....
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578

    kle4 said:

    felix said:

    No. 4 made me cringe even more than Ed M. The idea that the son of a millionaire from north London 'gets' inequality is so funny. Wrong, wrong, wrong on just so many levels. The Independent sinks to a new low with this sort of garbage.

    It is perfectly possible for the son of a millionaire from north London to 'get' inequality, even if they have have always had a privileged life, as Ed M himself said early on in his leadership, that he was not a member of the 'squeezed middle'. My only problem with that is that Labour attacks, when they are being lazy, imply that Cameron cannot get such issues or understand such issues because he is posh, which would seem to indicate they believe people like Cameron and Miliband cannot get such things. It's amazing how often they make the mistake of implying because Cameron is posh and out of touch he cannot understand such concerns, when their own variably posh and out of touch leaders can, when all they have to do is say that Tories of any stripe do not understand such things. It'd be wrong, but not so obviously hypocritical.

    That said, my skepticism Ed could do something about it remains, though I do not doubt his sincerity. He seems a pleasant enough chap.
    But that it precisely the tribal Labour mentality: the Tories cannot understand inequality because they are Tories; we 'get it' because we are Labour.

    Now, Labour isn't the only party to have intellectually lazy members and supporters, nor to ascribe to themselves and their opponents characteristics or values that are at best caricatures and at worst plain falsehoods, but they are particularly good at it.
    You make a good point about it not being a purely Labour tactic of course, although given the success of the Labour brand, relative to the Tory one, even now, then either they really are very good at it and people believe it, or they are correct. I don't see them as obviously more moral than the Tories, but either way more people disagree with me than agree on that score.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    Oil below $80, £ below 1.58
  • Pulpstar said:

    Well done at number 10.... superb restraint.

    I see Farage wants to privatise the NHS now or he did... policies outside of johnny foreigners aren't really UKIPs forte as we know.

    I know, took everything not to call them TPD
    I'm at the dogs on the night of the DD get together and it occurs to me my plan to own a dog will allows the opportunity to name him or her "Traitorous Pig Dog" at that time... I may need to accelerate that plan!
    Don't blow those Rochester winnings all at once !
    I know, I've never walked in to a track with £4k in my pockets before..... quick out, EP, rails, ran on.. fill my boots time!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033

    Big big story in the Times

    Lord Ashcroft back among Tories’ top donors

    Either he's started donating again, or dire times for the Tories!
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,534
    kle4 said:

    Roger said:


    it doesn't feel like small c conservatism is fading. But I suppose it depends how you define it.

    I think things can get a little more complicated - society may seem to be getting more conservative in some respect even as liberalism abounds in others.
    That's obviously so. Also, people will differ over the definitions of what is "liberal" and what is "conservative" . Banning prostitution and pornography may sound liberal when feminists advocate such measures. They sound highly conservative when evangelical Christians advocate them.
  • manofkent2014manofkent2014 Posts: 1,543
    edited November 2014

    Well done at number 10.... superb restraint.

    I see Farage wants to privatise the NHS now or he did... policies outside of johnny foreigners aren't really UKIPs forte as we know.

    Well if you want to be like that let's look at the Tories Secret Manifesto shall we? Well some Tory wanted to do this at some point) but hey for the purposes of PBTory accuracy it must be a 'secret :manifesto'

    VAT on Food
    VAT on Children's Clothes
    Abolition of Maternity Pay/ Leave
    Regional Pay
    Charging for supermarket parking
    Minimum Alcohol Pricing
    Abolishing Job Centres
    Snooper's Charter
    'cloud-busting' technology which shoots particles to disperse overcast skies.
    Giving HMRC unfettered access to people's bank accounts
    Selling NHS Patient Details to 3rd Parties
    Privatising The NHS
    Selling The NHS to US Companies (TTIP)

    The list of what the Coalition has achieved is actually even more impressive in many ways.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @Sun_Politics: Crisis-hit Ed to mount yet another leadership relaunch: http://t.co/l0TDNDt8HS

    Cos that ALWAYS works...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406

    Ninoinoz said:

    Well done at number 10.... superb restraint.

    I see Farage wants to privatise the NHS now or he did... policies outside of johnny foreigners aren't really UKIPs forte as we know.

    I know, took everything not to call them TPD
    I'm at the dogs on the night of the DD get together and it occurs to me my plan to own a dog will allows the opportunity to name him or her "Traitorous Pig Dog" at that time... I may need to accelerate that plan!
    Owning a racing greyhound is a cheap and exciting hobby, Scrapheap.

    Not sure you will get away with naming one Traitorous Pig Dog though. They have rules about these things.

    How about Perdicas? It sounds nice, vaguely classical even, but it is of course an anagram of...well, work it out for yourself.
    Die scrap?
    erm, I think I prefer PTP's!

    How about Reckless Tw@ or might that be too subtle?
    Reckless Di Carp ?
  • RobD said:

    Big big story in the Times

    Lord Ashcroft back among Tories’ top donors

    Either he's started donating again, or dire times for the Tories!
    He's donated a minimum of £50k to the Tories

    The Guardian has kinda the story without the Times' research into linking the name

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/12/tory-dining-clubs-bankrolling-election-campaign-key-seats
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548

    welshowl said:



    The incredible thing is Ed appears even more clueless... nods to rent controls, gas price freeze ( as the wholesale price now plummets!), magical house building in the hundreds of thousands from nowhere having threatened to confiscate the land in the first place, and the defecit is so important he forgot it from his conference speech ( maybe it's gone for a walk on Hampstead Heath and is talking to strangers on park benches there?). We should be afraid.

    EdM 'forgets' to mention the deficit in his conference speech.

    Cameron lies again about "paying down Britain's debts" in his conference speech.

    The election debates will interesting.
    Isn't there some actual wriggle room on the "paying down the debt" thing for the government though, given that they have recently paid off some old debts that we were paying much higher interest rates on?

    I know it's similar political gaming to the "reducing the £1,7bn by a half victory" last week that annoyed me, but they do have something there to back it up.
  • Big big story in the Times

    Lord Ashcroft back among Tories’ top donors

    Has he kissed and made up with David Cameron?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,960
    edited November 2014
    antifrank said:

    Big big story in the Times

    Lord Ashcroft back among Tories’ top donors

    Has he kissed and made up with David Cameron?
    Not publicly, but it looks like he's donating again.
  • OMG Ed Miliband has started putting song titles into his speeches

    ITV News ‏@itvnews

    Miliband: Labour will make UK work for 'everyday people'

    http://www.itv.com/news/story/2014-11-10/ed-miliband-denies-crisis-of-confidence-in-him/
  • OMG Ed Miliband has started putting song titles into his speeches

    ITV News ‏@itvnews

    Miliband: Labour will make UK work for 'everyday people'

    http://www.itv.com/news/story/2014-11-10/ed-miliband-denies-crisis-of-confidence-in-him/

    Maybe he could hire somebody to shout "ParkLife" at the end of each sentence of tomorrows relaunch?
  • 8m Robin Brant ✔ @robindbrant
    On leadership woes @Ed_Miliband tells BBC 'what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.'

    Hmm... doubt I'll be able to sell him any critical illness insurance then..... .another hammer blow to the small businessman.
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548

    OMG Ed Miliband has started putting song titles into his speeches

    ITV News ‏@itvnews

    Miliband: Labour will make UK work for 'everyday people'

    http://www.itv.com/news/story/2014-11-10/ed-miliband-denies-crisis-of-confidence-in-him/

    I wonder if there was anything like "quiet bat people" crossed off the list before they came up with that?
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    Well done at number 10.... superb restraint.

    I see Farage wants to privatise the NHS now or he did... policies outside of johnny foreigners aren't really UKIPs forte as we know.

    Well if you want to be like that let's look at the Tories Secret Manifesto shall we? Well some Tory wanted to do this at some point) but hey for the purposes of PBTory accuracy it must be a 'secret :manifesto'

    VAT on Food
    VAT on Children's Clothes
    Abolition of Maternity Pay/ Leave
    Regional Pay
    Charging for supermarket parking
    Minimum Alcohol Pricing
    Abolishing Job Centres
    Snooper's Charter
    'cloud-busting' technology which shoots particles to disperse overcast skies.
    Giving HMRC unfettered access to people's bank accounts
    Selling NHS Patient Details to 3rd Parties
    Privatising The NHS
    Selling The NHS to US Companies (TTIP)

    The list of what the Coalition has achieved is actually even more impressive in many ways.
    6, 8 and 10 are bad things.
    1 and 2 only in the interests of simplification.
    Apart from that.where do I sign?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Ed "Man of the People" speaks human...

    @DPJHodges: Guardian: "In a defiant message to critics within the party...the Labour leader will quote the German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche".
  • Here's the outline of the speech

    Embattled Miliband vows to challenge Britain’s ‘zero-zero’ economy

    Labour leader launches fightback with speech condemning zero-hours contracts for poor and zero tax rates for rich

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/12/miliband-fightback-labour-victims-zero-zero-britain?CMP=twt_gu
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Here's the outline of the speech

    Embattled Miliband vows to challenge Britain’s ‘zero-zero’ economy

    Labour leader launches fightback with speech condemning zero-hours contracts for poor and zero tax rates for rich

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/12/miliband-fightback-labour-victims-zero-zero-britain?CMP=twt_gu

    @DPJHodges: Ed Miliband. From hero, to "zero-zero". No, seriously...
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Nigel Farage ✔ @Nigel_Farage

    Ed Miliband is due to give a speech tomorrow in which he will yet again attack UKIP for standing up for British people. Unelectable. A joke

  • OMG Ed Miliband has started putting song titles into his speeches

    ITV News ‏@itvnews

    Miliband: Labour will make UK work for 'everyday people'

    http://www.itv.com/news/story/2014-11-10/ed-miliband-denies-crisis-of-confidence-in-him/

    Maybe he could hire somebody to shout "ParkLife" at the end of each sentence of tomorrows relaunch?
    He'd be better off singing the lyrics from Radiohead's brilliant Creep

    But I'm a creep,
    I'm a weirdo,
    What the hell am I doing here?
    I don't belong here

  • Nigel Farage ✔ @Nigel_Farage

    Ed Miliband is due to give a speech tomorrow in which he will yet again attack UKIP for standing up for British people. Unelectable. A joke

    he doth protest too much methinks...
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548

    Is there anyone left other than Nick Palmer to admit that Ed is crap?

    Seriously, is there anyone left who hasn't said that Ed is crap? If there is I can only assume they must be standing for Labour in the election.
  • "Britain’s ‘zero-zero’ economy"

    How long do we think this latest mantra will last? Longer than One Nation?
  • I think Ed's fightback may be the greatest fightback since Monty led our boys and our Commonwealth/Empire troops to a brilliant victory at the Second Battle of El Alamein.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    edited November 2014


    Nigel Farage ✔ @Nigel_Farage

    Ed Miliband is due to give a speech tomorrow in which he will yet again attack UKIP for standing up for British people. Unelectable. A joke

    Whom he would happily prop up.

    Don't get me wrong, it's a legitimate thing to do, and no reason not to vote UKIP if that is what someone is thinking of doing, but still funny though.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @nickbarleyedin: Astounding. Latest opinion poll for Scotland from Ipsos Mori:

    SNP: 59% (+21)
    Lab: 14% (-19)
    Con: 12% (-5)
    Green: 8% (+6)
    Lib: 4% (-1)
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,534

    Here's the outline of the speech

    Embattled Miliband vows to challenge Britain’s ‘zero-zero’ economy

    Labour leader launches fightback with speech condemning zero-hours contracts for poor and zero tax rates for rich

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/12/miliband-fightback-labour-victims-zero-zero-britain?CMP=twt_gu

    Will the Weird Man be turning up the volume.

  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Neil Henderson ✔ @hendopolis

    EXPRESS: UKIP on way to election triumph #tomorrowspaperstoday #BBCPapers pic.twitter.com/mdVXxbWRxW

  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    Isn't there some actual wriggle room on the "paying down the debt" thing for the government though,

    If you include the nationalised banks, the debt is actually down as a proportion of GDP. In inflation adjusted terms, the absolute debt is also down.

    It's all economic gobbledegook though to baffle the majority.
  • Ed Miliband will insist he wants to act as a "wealth creator" and is not planning a "big spending" spree if he becomes Prime Minister.

    The embattled Labour leader, who has faced calls to step down, will say he is resilient and ready for the fight.

    However, last night he admitted that the leadership crisis had worried the public, saying it was “fair to say” his party “haven’t had the best couple of weeks”.

    In his speech, will acknowledge that his party made mistakes on immigration when in Government but will claim that pandering to the UK Independence Party would be a return to a more “unjust past”.

    In a major change of emphasis, he will now say he is determined to rein in public spending and reduce the deficit if he wins the election.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/active/11227128/Ed-Miliband-claims-he-is-now-a-wealth-creator.html
  • GeoffM said:

    Well done at number 10.... superb restraint.

    I see Farage wants to privatise the NHS now or he did... policies outside of johnny foreigners aren't really UKIPs forte as we know.

    Well if you want to be like that let's look at the Tories Secret Manifesto shall we? Well some Tory wanted to do this at some point) but hey for the purposes of PBTory accuracy it must be a 'secret :manifesto'

    VAT on Food
    VAT on Children's Clothes
    Abolition of Maternity Pay/ Leave
    Regional Pay
    Charging for supermarket parking
    Minimum Alcohol Pricing
    Abolishing Job Centres
    Snooper's Charter
    'cloud-busting' technology which shoots particles to disperse overcast skies.
    Giving HMRC unfettered access to people's bank accounts
    Selling NHS Patient Details to 3rd Parties
    Privatising The NHS
    Selling The NHS to US Companies (TTIP)

    The list of what the Coalition has achieved is actually even more impressive in many ways.
    6, 8 and 10 are bad things.
    1 and 2 only in the interests of simplification.
    Apart from that.where do I sign?
    On an admission form for a detox clinic I suggest!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @SamCoatesTimes: Miliband also tells Nick Robinson that "powerful forces" out to get him - this rather tops mediocre speech briefing http://t.co/8VsDet7FJc
  • Sam Coates Times ‏@SamCoatesTimes

    Miliband also tells Nick Robinson that "powerful forces" out to get him - this rather tops mediocre speech briefing

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2Rhbo9CIAAReZY.jpg
  • This 0% tax paid by the rich, is he referring to IHT planning by families affected.... bit of a tightrope if so?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    Another bad day for Ed Miliband with wage now rising faster than inflation following that Mori poll, and he had to welcome it in BBC interview but saying cost of living crisis not over, promising rise in minimum wage, reform of banks etc

    As for Chuka Umunna, as a Miliband loyalist (he backed him in 2010) now seeming to have gained the backing of the Blairite group progress, his prospects to succeed Miliband if he is defeated have grown further as someone who can unite all wings of the party

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578

    Sam Coates Times ‏@SamCoatesTimes

    Miliband also tells Nick Robinson that "powerful forces" out to get him - this rather tops mediocre speech briefing

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2Rhbo9CIAAReZY.jpg

    Yes, Ed M is a fighter against powerful forces, not some establishment figure himself. Good stuff.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @IsabelHardman: Miliband missed a real trick not reciting 'I see pride, I see power' from Cool Runnings when @bbcnickrobinson asked what he saw in mirror

    journalists openly mocking the speech, and he hasn't even given it yet
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406

    This 0% tax paid by the rich, is he referring to IHT planning by families affected.... bit of a tightrope if so?

    IHT seems to be one of those taxes that the very rich avoid, and the moderately well off pay through the nose with.
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Miliband also tells Nick Robinson that "powerful forces" out to get him - this rather tops mediocre speech briefing http://t.co/8VsDet7FJc

    OMFG!!! Has he completely lost it, on top of being weird and craperoo?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    HYUFD said:

    Another bad day for Ed Miliband with wage now rising faster than inflation following that Mori poll, and he had to welcome it in BBC interview but saying cost of living crisis not over, promising rise in minimum wage, reform of banks etc

    As for Chuka Umunna, as a Miliband loyalist (he backed him in 2010) now seeming to have gained the backing of the Blairite group progress, his prospects to succeed Miliband if he is defeated have grown further as someone who can unite all wings of the party

    I'm going to make my most confident prediction ever - Chuka Umuna will NEVER be Prime Minister.
  • Pulpstar said:

    This 0% tax paid by the rich, is he referring to IHT planning by families affected.... bit of a tightrope if so?

    IHT seems to be one of those taxes that the very rich avoid, and the moderately well off pay through the nose with.
    Indeed..... but they can do 'stuff' if they plan and take advice.... I won't suggest who from of course....
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Here's the outline of the speech

    Embattled Miliband vows to challenge Britain’s ‘zero-zero’ economy

    Labour leader launches fightback with speech condemning zero-hours contracts for poor and zero tax rates for rich

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/12/miliband-fightback-labour-victims-zero-zero-britain?CMP=twt_gu

    Feck me - I will gladly show him my tax bill
  • OMG Ed Miliband has started putting song titles into his speeches

    ITV News ‏@itvnews

    Miliband: Labour will make UK work for 'everyday people'

    http://www.itv.com/news/story/2014-11-10/ed-miliband-denies-crisis-of-confidence-in-him/

    Maybe he could hire somebody to shout "ParkLife" at the end of each sentence of tomorrows relaunch?
    He'd be better off singing the lyrics from Radiohead's brilliant Creep

    But I'm a creep,
    I'm a weirdo,
    What the hell am I doing here?
    I don't belong here
    Like!!!
  • so the new labour #trend is #6monthstowin..... now why they need to start predicting spurs results I really don't know.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    Is it just me or has anybody else noticed Ed 's a teeny bit shit?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406

    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Miliband also tells Nick Robinson that "powerful forces" out to get him - this rather tops mediocre speech briefing http://t.co/8VsDet7FJc

    OMFG!!! Has he completely lost it, on top of being weird and craperoo?
    Actually I think the press do seem out to get him and Farage more than Cameron (Clegg is seemingly an irrelevance).

    I think his stance on Leveson is the key, and Lynton Crosby has done a heinously tremendous job on him.

    Farage has handled the press onslaught far far better than Miliband
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Attempting to shore up the core.

  • FANTASTIC...... check out the other sticker.... this household like their dogs clearly!! at least the porcine variety may only be til May.

    https://twitter.com/DouglasCarswell/status/532659163839860736/photo/1
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    saddened said:

    Is it just me or has anybody else noticed Ed 's a teeny bit shit?

    The one person to defend him here this week is Nick Palmer. I think that says it all.
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464

    OMG Ed Miliband has started putting song titles into his speeches

    ITV News ‏@itvnews

    Miliband: Labour will make UK work for 'everyday people'

    http://www.itv.com/news/story/2014-11-10/ed-miliband-denies-crisis-of-confidence-in-him/

    Maybe he could hire somebody to shout "ParkLife" at the end of each sentence of tomorrows relaunch?
    He'd be better off singing the lyrics from Radiohead's brilliant Creep

    But I'm a creep,
    I'm a weirdo,
    What the hell am I doing here?
    I don't belong here
    Surely RadioEd not Radiohead... I'll get me coat...
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Is there anyone left other than Nick Palmer to admit that Ed is crap?

    Seriously, is there anyone left who hasn't said that Ed is crap? If there is I can only assume they must be standing for Labour in the election.
    Half of them think he is crap too
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486

    Here's the outline of the speech

    Embattled Miliband vows to challenge Britain’s ‘zero-zero’ economy

    Labour leader launches fightback with speech condemning zero-hours contracts for poor and zero tax rates for rich

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/12/miliband-fightback-labour-victims-zero-zero-britain?CMP=twt_gu

    Not making a grab for the centre then
  • Sam Coates Times ‏@SamCoatesTimes

    Miliband also tells Nick Robinson that "powerful forces" out to get him - this rather tops mediocre speech briefing

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2Rhbo9CIAAReZY.jpg

    Has he just read roger's posts on pb?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    Pulpstar I am going to make my own prediction, in 2020 he will!
  • Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Miliband also tells Nick Robinson that "powerful forces" out to get him - this rather tops mediocre speech briefing http://t.co/8VsDet7FJc

    Hang on to your tin-foil hats folks we're heading for the Twilight Zone.......
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    SeanT/Scott P Once devomax legislation is introduced at Westminster in January the SNP surge will begin to recede
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Roger said:


    "So Dave was right about gay marriage it seems, though I think even the kippers are coming round to it. Small c conservatism is fading."

    Having listened to the radio this morning where people were queuing up to say a Sheffield footballer should never be allowed near a football ground again and then a similar number up in arms because the parole board have decided to release a 78 year old man after 48 years in prison it doesn't feel like small c conservatism is fading. But I suppose it depends how you define it.

    Roger, you should listen with both ears.. many on r2 contradicted the police officer to say he had served long enough. I don't agree ,.. he should rot in prison for what he did...., but hey lets not let the truth get in the way of a political point.
    But surely the point is one of natural justice: he has served the penalty that the law deemed appropriate. Now that has been completed, he should be allowed to resume his humdrum existence without fear or favour.

    If you believe he served too short a sentence, get the law changed. Don't prevent him working.
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    Floater said:

    Is there anyone left other than Nick Palmer to admit that Ed is crap?

    Seriously, is there anyone left who hasn't said that Ed is crap? If there is I can only assume they must be standing for Labour in the election.
    Half of them think he is crap too
    Do you think any of that half might be on here refusing to support him? That would be quite amusing :)
  • Douglas Carswell MP ✔ @DouglasCarswell
    Journo in #rochester today told me how David Cameron had boasted of how he'd "kick Mark Reckless' fat arse". Seriously

    this new politics is great... the insurgents really are showing a new way of doing business...
  • Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by three: CON 32%, LAB 35%, LD 7%, UKIP 15%, GRN 6%
  • Brown F8cked UK PLC bigtime. Why anyone (apart from Neil) could think otherwise is beyond belief.. lets not forget how many peoples pensions he royally screwed or how he sold our gold for a couple of mars bars.

    The gold would have paid for a couple of weeks' deficit, and the major problems with pensions were companies taking pension holidays, takeovers to get control of overfunded pension schemes, and just plain old longer lives. There is a valid, major criticism of Gordon Brown that you missed, which is PFI, but gold and pensions are really not.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Sun Politics @Sun_Politics

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by three: CON 32%, LAB 35%, LD 7%, UKIP 15%, GRN 6%

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by three: CON 32%, LAB 35%, LD 7%, UKIP 15%, GRN 6%

    Ed is Saved!!
  • Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Another bad day for Ed Miliband with wage now rising faster than inflation following that Mori poll, and he had to welcome it in BBC interview but saying cost of living crisis not over, promising rise in minimum wage, reform of banks etc

    As for Chuka Umunna, as a Miliband loyalist (he backed him in 2010) now seeming to have gained the backing of the Blairite group progress, his prospects to succeed Miliband if he is defeated have grown further as someone who can unite all wings of the party

    I'm going to make my most confident prediction ever - Chuka Umuna will NEVER be Prime Minister.
    Chuckie could sneer down his nose for Britain......
  • Douglas Carswell MP ✔ @DouglasCarswell
    Journo in #rochester today told me how David Cameron had boasted of how he'd "kick Mark Reckless' fat arse". Seriously

    this new politics is great... the insurgents really are showing a new way of doing business...

    He's a bit slow, I covered that in September.
  • Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by three: CON 32%, LAB 35%, LD 7%, UKIP 15%, GRN 6%

    Everybody back up the truck....Labour nailed on, all hail the forthcoming Great Leader Ed.
  • saddened said:

    Is it just me or has anybody else noticed Ed 's a teeny bit shit?

    Er! Have you noticed that DC is a little bit of coprolite?

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coprolite
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Tonights YG LAB 340 CON 265 LD 18 (UKPR)

    EICIPM
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    Charles said:

    Roger said:


    "So Dave was right about gay marriage it seems, though I think even the kippers are coming round to it. Small c conservatism is fading."

    Having listened to the radio this morning where people were queuing up to say a Sheffield footballer should never be allowed near a football ground again and then a similar number up in arms because the parole board have decided to release a 78 year old man after 48 years in prison it doesn't feel like small c conservatism is fading. But I suppose it depends how you define it.

    Roger, you should listen with both ears.. many on r2 contradicted the police officer to say he had served long enough. I don't agree ,.. he should rot in prison for what he did...., but hey lets not let the truth get in the way of a political point.
    But surely the point is one of natural justice: he has served the penalty that the law deemed appropriate. Now that has been completed, he should be allowed to resume his humdrum existence without fear or favour.

    If you believe he served too short a sentence, get the law changed. Don't prevent him working.
    Interestingly on this, the "market" seems to be working. Two of Sheffield Utd's shirt sponsors have said they'll withdraw their support if they reemploy him.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by three: CON 32%, LAB 35%, LD 7%, UKIP 15%, GRN 6%

    ARF! Basiliscious!
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited November 2014
    Something surprising; the most prevalent users of zero hours contracts are the charity/not for profit sector.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,960
    edited November 2014
    Is this a good time to remind folk that was Ipsos-Mori was second/top pollster in the last two general elections, whilst YouGov were, lol
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    35% strategy back on :)
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    Is this a good time to remind folk that was Ipsos-Mori was second/top pollster in the last two general elections, whilst YouGov were, lol

    Double ARF!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    edited November 2014

    Charles said:

    Roger said:


    "So Dave was right about gay marriage it seems, though I think even the kippers are coming round to it. Small c conservatism is fading."

    Having listened to the radio this morning where people were queuing up to say a Sheffield footballer should never be allowed near a football ground again and then a similar number up in arms because the parole board have decided to release a 78 year old man after 48 years in prison it doesn't feel like small c conservatism is fading. But I suppose it depends how you define it.

    Roger, you should listen with both ears.. many on r2 contradicted the police officer to say he had served long enough. I don't agree ,.. he should rot in prison for what he did...., but hey lets not let the truth get in the way of a political point.
    But surely the point is one of natural justice: he has served the penalty that the law deemed appropriate. Now that has been completed, he should be allowed to resume his humdrum existence without fear or favour.

    If you believe he served too short a sentence, get the law changed. Don't prevent him working.
    Interestingly on this, the "market" seems to be working. Two of Sheffield Utd's shirt sponsors have said they'll withdraw their support if they reemploy him.
    What I find odd about this. In recent years there have been 2 footballers jailed for killing people and a number of others for rape / sexual assault. The two killers came out and resumed their careers without hardly any of this noise.

    Where was the media outrage in relation to those cases?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564
    Danny565 said:

    35% strategy back on :)

    Indeed. Everything going according to plan! :-)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    SeanT said:

    Incendiary. If true.

    "School governor told to resign for being a member of UKIP".

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/11/12/School-Governor-Told-to-Resign-For-Being-a-Member-of-UKIP/

    Quite. If I had to try to pinpoint a particular moment when it seemed UKIP had been accepted as a regular mainstream party in the last few years it was when they were referred to as such by the others when there was that story about foster kids being taken away because the foster parents were UKIP supporters, and I would think there would be few people to defend such an action as reported unless there are some major missing factors that have not emerged.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,054
    HYUFD said:

    SeanT/Scott P Once devomax legislation is introduced at Westminster in January the SNP surge will begin to recede

    Surely a reason to delay it until after the election and tie it to EV4EL...
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    HYUFD said:

    Another bad day for Ed Miliband with wage now rising faster than inflation following that Mori poll, and he had to welcome it in BBC interview but saying cost of living crisis not over, promising rise in minimum wage, reform of banks etc

    As for Chuka Umunna, as a Miliband loyalist (he backed him in 2010) now seeming to have gained the backing of the Blairite group progress, his prospects to succeed Miliband if he is defeated have grown further as someone who can unite all wings of the party

    Unite the party? I'll be quitting the party if a full-fledged Progressite gets the job.
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548

    Tonights YG LAB 340 CON 265 LD 18 (UKPR)

    EICIPM

    Weird Ed is still available at good odds against to be next PM, if you believe your numbers you should pile in!
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    Danny565 said:

    35% strategy back on :)

    Indeed. Everything going according to plan! :-)
    A Tory lead in the polls now and again at least keeps the PB Hodges busy.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    edited November 2014

    Brown F8cked UK PLC bigtime. Why anyone (apart from Neil) could think otherwise is beyond belief.. lets not forget how many peoples pensions he royally screwed or how he sold our gold for a couple of mars bars.

    The gold would have paid for a couple of weeks' deficit, and the major problems with pensions were companies taking pension holidays, takeovers to get control of overfunded pension schemes, and just plain old longer lives. There is a valid, major criticism of Gordon Brown that you missed, which is PFI, but gold and pensions are really not.
    Gold, pensions, deficit, overspending, charisma bypass...... etc etc these are all valid criticisms of the worst Prime Minister in these islands history.. There has never been a more unsuited person to the office of Prime Minister.. Sadly Labour coronated the old fool.. one would have thought that one person with the charisma of a frozen pea was enough in the history of the Labour Party... but they chose another immediately afterwards.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    "Britain’s ‘zero-zero’ economy"

    How long do we think this latest mantra will last? Longer than One Nation?

    Presumably he would score "nul points" in the UKvision contest?

    I'll get my coat...
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    edited November 2014

    Brown F8cked UK PLC bigtime. Why anyone (apart from Neil) could think otherwise is beyond belief.. lets not forget how many peoples pensions he royally screwed or how he sold our gold for a couple of mars bars.

    The gold would have paid for a couple of weeks' deficit, and the major problems with pensions were companies taking pension holidays, takeovers to get control of overfunded pension schemes, and just plain old longer lives. There is a valid, major criticism of Gordon Brown that you missed, which is PFI, but gold and pensions are really not.
    Sorry, this old trotting out of " holidays" wont wash. Gordon's wonderful tax on dividends for pensions now (17 yrs on) accounts for about 40% of our deficit on its own. The Kafkaesque Byzantine twilight zone which is the 2004 Pensions Act ( admittedly together with longevity increases) and QE have collapsed the private sector defined benefit system in near totality. It no longer exists beyond vestigial form and we are merely presiding over its last rites. Gordon has his sticky fingerprints as a major contributory factor in this catastrophe.
  • SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @nickbarleyedin: Astounding. Latest opinion poll for Scotland from Ipsos Mori:

    SNP: 59% (+21)
    Lab: 14% (-19)
    Con: 12% (-5)
    Green: 8% (+6)
    Lib: 4% (-1)

    That's the same subsample, isn't it? Thus the usual caveats.

    Nonetheless unideal for Labour.
    New leader who has had to apologise for her predecessor on numerous occasions. Problem for Nicola is that she is just too honest. Once the Yestapo realise this, then the poll ratings for the SNP will fall.

    Then the SNP have made so much of Labour Heartlands in Glasgow voting Yes, they seem to have forgotten that their own heartlands including Salmond's own constituency, voted NO!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578

    Douglas Carswell MP ✔ @DouglasCarswell
    Journo in #rochester today told me how David Cameron had boasted of how he'd "kick Mark Reckless' fat arse". Seriously

    this new politics is great... the insurgents really are showing a new way of doing business...

    Everyone knows that UKIP are entirely unlike the political class and professional politicians, even when they are members of the political class and professional politicians. Except when they demonstrably do act like any other political party, in which case how dare anyone attack them for acting like members of the political class and professional politicians, everyone acts the same way.

    Which would be fine were part of their appeal not based on not being like the others, but oh well. I am very interested how well UKIP hold up with a handful of MPs, unable to avoid the sorts of behaviours they condemn. Should be fun times seeing them adapt.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,534
    35% now looks like a stunningly good figure for Labour, right at the top of the range.
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    Ah.. The Milibelievers have all jumped out of hiding!

    So compouter and BJO, do you not think he's craperoo?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MShapland: Ed Miliband to talk about a 'Zero Zero' economy tomorrow - is that like the zero growth zero job creation economy plan Labour has?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    SquareRoot The Tories picked Hague, followed by IDS, Labour, in picking Brown and Ed Miliband, have simply matched them
  • Ed Miliband has said he "absolutely" sees a prime minister when he looks in the mirror in the morning.

    "Mirror, Mirror On The Wall
    Who is the weirdest of them all?"
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    HYUFD said:

    Another bad day for Ed Miliband with wage now rising faster than inflation following that Mori poll, and he had to welcome it in BBC interview but saying cost of living crisis not over, promising rise in minimum wage, reform of banks etc

    As for Chuka Umunna, as a Miliband loyalist (he backed him in 2010) now seeming to have gained the backing of the Blairite group progress, his prospects to succeed Miliband if he is defeated have grown further as someone who can unite all wings of the party

    Please. Please. Please.

    What do I have to do to get Chuka elected leader of Labour?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Ah.. The Milibelievers have all jumped out of hiding!

    So compouter and BJO, do you not think he's craperoo?

    Miliband is going to lead the Labour Party in hitherto uncharted territory...
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Infamy infamy !

    @DPJHodges: Ed will also claim that "powerful forces" are out to get him, including the banks and the energy companies. This is getting silly now.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    SeanT said:

    Incendiary. If true.

    "School governor told to resign for being a member of UKIP".

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/11/12/School-Governor-Told-to-Resign-For-Being-a-Member-of-UKIP/

    May be I'm naive, but I thought it was the job of the governors to hold the head to account?

    If so, he should quit in shame for rolling over when asked to.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    edited November 2014
    MaxPB No, delaying it until after the election would be a huge boost to the SNP. What the Tories look likely to do is pass most of the devomax legislation before May to kill the SNP surge, but press on with EVEL at the same time to harm Labour (albeit passing devomax regardless), if Labour vote EVEL down they will hugely annoy English voters just before the election
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