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Will there ever be a time when things European are not so divisive for the Tory party?
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Probably not, even if we leave there will be a minority wanting back in again. I wonder if they will also think that it is worth handing over power to a bunch of incompetents to make a point?
Edit my first first for ages. Woopee!0 -
Is it true Bercow behaved dreadfully this evening?0
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All going really well for the PB Hodges on News at Ten. Didn't realise Cammo was dragged out of his shin dig due to the farce.0
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Why on earth should today have been an exception?Easterross said:Is it true Bercow behaved dreadfully this evening?
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If by some miracle the Tories are in power and a referendum occurs, then yes. If Cameron and co do not U-turn and campaign for out, and In is successful, then the BOOers who are left will leave, leaving the openly pro-EU, all one of them, and the discontented but willing to accept it crowd.
If Lab win, then the Tories will continue to flit back and forth, attempting to out UKIP UKIP or just asking UKIP for an alliance, while the leadership remains unwilling to contemplate it in a genuine fashion.0 -
Does anyone seriously believe this issue will move any voters in any direction?compouter2 said:All going really well for the PB Hodges on News at Ten. Didn't realise Cammo was dragged out of his shin dig due to the farce.
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No , unlike May and Cameron he treated the H of C and its procedures and principles properly and with respectEasterross said:Is it true Bercow behaved dreadfully this evening?
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Pretty sure that the Tories have been massively split over seemingly intractable disagreements in the past. Something to do with the Corn Laws, perhaps?
I don't know what resolved this sort of split in the past. Maybe a big enough war. The losers of the debate might have noticed that the world was moving on and leaving them behind.0 -
Entrenching people in their positions in opposition to the government because it is clearly incompetent can be just as damaging as causing actual movement, given the Tories need to win back support, not just maintain their current polling.felix said:
Does anyone seriously believe this issue will move any voters in any direction?compouter2 said:All going really well for the PB Hodges on News at Ten. Didn't realise Cammo was dragged out of his shin dig due to the farce.
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Is there a Comedy Resolution poll due out or have they just done an 'Ed is crap' poll which one of them has been tweeting for the past 5 mins?0
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The Tories will only be a settled party on Europe when it is fully a hard eurosceptic party committed to withdrawal.0
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Hm, my adroit analysis got deleted for some reason. I had posted:
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Lol - when Bercow 's your hero it really is time to seek help.MarkSenior said:
No , unlike May and Cameron he treated the H of C and its procedures and principles properly and with respectEasterross said:Is it true Bercow behaved dreadfully this evening?
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To answer the question of the thread:
Only when the Tory party officially splits and all it's euro-skeptics are in a single party of their own.0 -
Indeed, it's clear whose face the egg is on. Not a good day for May at all.MarkSenior said:
No , unlike May and Cameron he treated the H of C and its procedures and principles properly and with respectEasterross said:Is it true Bercow behaved dreadfully this evening?
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What's the miracle? The Tories being in power (Cameron 11/10 with ladbrokes to be PM at Queen's speech), or the referendum?kle4 said:If by some miracle the Tories are in power and a referendum occurs,
If they are in power and they don't hold the referendum as promised I will join UKIP, I'm sure I won't be alone.0 -
Oh hello, what do you think about the EAW mess?Easterross said:Is it true Bercow behaved dreadfully this evening?
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Not really, however, it was entertaining seeing May squirm and watching her own MP's openly attacking her.felix said:
Does anyone seriously believe this issue will move any voters in any direction?compouter2 said:All going really well for the PB Hodges on News at Ten. Didn't realise Cammo was dragged out of his shin dig due to the farce.
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In all seriousness is it just possible that there may come a point when the consensus in the Tory party settles on the proposition that the EU is just not worth it?
If the EU continues its attacks on the City, if it continues to integrate the EZ and they start to vote as a QMV bloc, if the bill rises to unacceptable levels and if a credible alternative can be found for British business just maybe.
I think we are slowly heading towards the exit. The leadership of the main parties doesn't really want this but we are on a different path to most of the EU and the paths are gradually drifting apart. My guess is that this consensus will not be reached by 2017 though. If the tories win they run a serious risk of self destructing on this.0 -
Sadly not - Europe has been the party's fault line for now going on 30 years.
I cannot fathom why the whips/May contrived not to have a vote on the EAW - sure there would have been a Tory rebellion but one (as the eventual vote proved) that was eminently containable. While the public won't give a jot about the Parliamentary manouverings, it was a wholly gratituous provocation to many backbenchers beyond the usual suspects and hence woefully counter-productive.0 -
It was priceless hearing Chuka proclaim David Miliband a great leader and future PM this morning.0
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Scrapheap and I's Dry but obsessed with Europe and the Gays new Tory Party probably picked up a few new members this evening.0
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I repeat, what do you think about the EAW mess?Easterross said:It was priceless hearing Chuka proclaim David Miliband a great leader and future PM this morning.
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Look! Squirrel!Easterross said:It was priceless hearing Chuka proclaim David Miliband a great leader and future PM this morning.
I nearly tacked on the end of the previous post that the PBT's would no doubt see today's debacle as all about Chuka...0 -
Can someone in the Labour party please walk in front of Ed Bland when he takes to the streets of London to ensure he is not knocked down by the proverbial Clapham Omnibus between now and 7th May 2015?0
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I can only assume if was designed to take the heat of Ed Miliband.JohnO said:Sadly not - Europe has been the party's fault line for now going on 30 years.
I cannot fathom why the whips/May contrived not to have a vote on the EAW - sure there would have been a Tory rebellion but one (as the eventual vote proved) that was eminently containable. While the public won't give a jot about the Parliamentary manouverings, it was a wholly gratituous provocation to many backbenchers beyond the usual suspects and hence woefully counter-productive.0 -
When Bercow's behaviour shows up Cameron and May as charlatans it is those defending them who need to seek helpfelix said:
Lol - when Bercow 's your hero it really is time to seek help.MarkSenior said:
No , unlike May and Cameron he treated the H of C and its procedures and principles properly and with respectEasterross said:Is it true Bercow behaved dreadfully this evening?
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I's??!! Did you forget 'my'?TheScreamingEagles said:Scrapheap and I's Dry but obsessed with Europe and the Gays new Tory Party probably picked up a few new members this evening.
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Dinner Party this evening
Europe .... yawn
Road improvements ...now thats something useful
Ed PM ....you must be joking!0 -
I decided to do bad things to the English language tonightJonnyJimmy said:
I's??!! Did you forget 'my'?TheScreamingEagles said:Scrapheap and I's Dry but obsessed with Europe and the Gays new Tory Party probably picked up a few new members this evening.
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Never happen. The parliamentary Conservative Party is openly pro-EU. UKIP are the only anti-EU option.KentRising said:The Tories will only be a settled party on Europe when it is fully a hard eurosceptic party committed to withdrawal.
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At this rate the proposed EU referendum is going to be a disaster for the Tories.
Dave will start to take comfort in losing the GE.
Come to think of it, that might explain current strategy.0 -
Frankly I don't give a toss about the EAW. I am interested in tax cuts and Labour getting hammered at the GE with UKIP marginalised.Speedy said:
I repeat, what do you think about the EAW mess?Easterross said:It was priceless hearing Chuka proclaim David Miliband a great leader and future PM this morning.
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Just like the grown up lib dems who walked of the house of commons chamber over the Lisbon treaty because they didn't get they way - lolMarkSenior said:
No , unlike May and Cameron he treated the H of C and its procedures and principles properly and with respectEasterross said:Is it true Bercow behaved dreadfully this evening?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8388475.stm
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Five words I'd never thought I'd type:
Yvette Cooper was good today.0 -
The Tories being in power would be the miracle. Although in fairness perhaps I should downgrade it to just being very unlikely, if Labour's internal problems become more pronounced and the threat in Scotland materializes.JonnyJimmy said:
What's the miracle? The Tories being in power (Cameron 11/10 with ladbrokes to be PM at Queen's speech), or the referendum?kle4 said:If by some miracle the Tories are in power and a referendum occurs,
If they are in power and they don't hold the referendum as promised I will join UKIP, I'm sure I won't be alone.
I do think there will be a referendum if they do get in, in a coalition that would be a red line issue, as as little credibility as the leadership has with much of its own base - and those left for UKIP - on the issue, I can see people spontaneously combusting if Cameron sought to delay or prevent it, even if there was theoretically a good reason. Hell, he'll have enough trouble defending why it will be in 2017 and not sooner.0 -
That's not just bad, it's filthy!TheScreamingEagles said:
I decided to do bad things to the English language tonightJonnyJimmy said:
I's??!! Did you forget 'my'?TheScreamingEagles said:Scrapheap and I's Dry but obsessed with Europe and the Gays new Tory Party probably picked up a few new members this evening.
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Actually after the Tory defeat next May most of the centrist Tory MP's will be gone.anotherDave said:
Never happen. The parliamentary Conservative Party is openly pro-EU. UKIP are the only anti-EU option.KentRising said:The Tories will only be a settled party on Europe when it is fully a hard eurosceptic party committed to withdrawal.
The Tory parliamentary party was europhile until 1997 but only the eurosceptic right wing core remained after 1997 till 2010.0 -
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Tories furious with Bercow, Labour furious with Theresa, Eurosceptics furious. Another day in Westminster0 -
May and Cameron's behaviour today has shown up EdM as a statesman in comparison .Easterross said:
Frankly I don't give a toss about the EAW. I am interested in tax cuts and Labour getting hammered at the GE with UKIP marginalised.Speedy said:
I repeat, what do you think about the EAW mess?Easterross said:It was priceless hearing Chuka proclaim David Miliband a great leader and future PM this morning.
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It was a pre-prepared new innovation.JonnyJimmy said:
That's not just bad, it's filthy!TheScreamingEagles said:
I decided to do bad things to the English language tonightJonnyJimmy said:
I's??!! Did you forget 'my'?TheScreamingEagles said:Scrapheap and I's Dry but obsessed with Europe and the Gays new Tory Party probably picked up a few new members this evening.
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The EAW was incorporated into UK legislation when Gordo signed the Lisbon Treaty (via the back door)JohnO said:I cannot fathom why the whips/May contrived not to have a vote on the EAW
What exactly would you have had them vote on? "This House agrees that no changes to UK law are required, so, err..."
Other parts of the indivisible package require changes in UK law. Should the HoC not have debated those? (Yvette tried to stop them)0 -
Well said.JohnO said:Sadly not - Europe has been the party's fault line for now going on 30 years.
I cannot fathom why the whips/May contrived not to have a vote on the EAW - sure there would have been a Tory rebellion but one (as the eventual vote proved) that was eminently containable. While the public won't give a jot about the Parliamentary manouverings, it was a wholly gratituous provocation to many backbenchers beyond the usual suspects and hence woefully counter-productive.0 -
I wish that an EAW be used on you just for you to learn that life is more than just tax cuts.Easterross said:
Frankly I don't give a toss about the EAW. I am interested in tax cuts and Labour getting hammered at the GE with UKIP marginalised.Speedy said:
I repeat, what do you think about the EAW mess?Easterross said:It was priceless hearing Chuka proclaim David Miliband a great leader and future PM this morning.
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I've always said,when labour are having a nightmare,cameron comes along to find a way to fcuk it up.,he's done it for the past 4 years0
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One thing that I have been confused about for a while is how the HoC managed to vote for 35 pieces of EU legislation that we had previously opted out of which have created or, in most cases recreated, new EU competencies without triggering a referendum.
The European Union Act 2011 is a remarkably complicated piece of legislation but this still strikes me as odd.0 -
If you can call an 11/10 shot very unlikely, you should be laying it for every penny you can afford to gamble. Are you?kle4 said:
The Tories being in power would be the miracle. Although in fairness perhaps I should downgrade it to just being very unlikely, if Labour's internal problems become more pronounced and the threat in Scotland materializes.JonnyJimmy said:
What's the miracle? The Tories being in power (Cameron 11/10 with ladbrokes to be PM at Queen's speech), or the referendum?kle4 said:If by some miracle the Tories are in power and a referendum occurs,
If they are in power and they don't hold the referendum as promised I will join UKIP, I'm sure I won't be alone.
I do think there will be a referendum if they do get in, in a coalition that would be a red line issue, as as little credibility as the leadership has with much of its own base - and those left for UKIP - on the issue, I can see people spontaneously combusting if Cameron sought to delay or prevent it, even if there was theoretically a good reason. Hell, he'll have enough trouble defending why it will be in 2017 and not sooner.0 -
You've missed a 'not' there I believe in quite a significant place....TheScreamingEagles said:Scrapheap and I's Dry but obsessed with Europe and the Gays new Tory Party probably picked up a few new members this evening.
Only 38 headbangers left as well post tonight... clever tactics to reveal themselves albeit one was the UKIP man needing a clean pair of pants.0 -
Most Tories have always believed that Europe starts on the French side of the English Channel. However most of us view the EU as a necessary evil. Personally if I was Dave I would be pushing for an EU which is virtually a United States of Europe which we would not join and a beefed up version of the EEA/EFTA which we would be part of. We wouldn't need to pay £billions to subsidise EU corruption and waste but would pay an appropriate amount to share the burden of running a small, free trade body administration.0
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OoppsScrapheap_as_was said:
You've missed a 'not' there I believe in quite a significant place....TheScreamingEagles said:Scrapheap and I's Dry but obsessed with Europe and the Gays new Tory Party probably picked up a few new members this evening.
Only 38 headbangers left as well post tonight... clever tactics to reveal themselves albeit one was the UKIP man needing a clean pair of pants.
I'm knucking fackered tonight
Scrapheap and I's Dry but NOT obsessed with Europe and the Gays new Tory Party probably picked up a few new members this evening.0 -
It's simple, as Theresa May tried to prove today it's only when a government says something it's a law then it's a law, parliament doesn't matter.DavidL said:One thing that I have been confused about for a while is how the HoC managed to vote for 35 pieces of EU legislation that we had previously opted out of which have created or, in most cases recreated, new EU competencies without triggering a referendum.
The European Union Act 2011 is a remarkably complicated piece of legislation but this still strikes me as odd.0 -
LoL, You could show a bit more respect after Labour killed themselves in Scotland winning the referendum for you whilst Cameron hid in the bushes somewhere.Easterross said:
Frankly I don't give a toss about the EAW. I am interested in tax cuts and Labour getting hammered at the GE with UKIP marginalised.Speedy said:
I repeat, what do you think about the EAW mess?Easterross said:It was priceless hearing Chuka proclaim David Miliband a great leader and future PM this morning.
Can't see UKIP being marginalised, I'm afraid; I've spoken to too many people who are through with the Tories just as much as Labour. GE2015 is going to be one to sit and laugh at, win lose or draw. There will be some crazily random results and Tory majority is one outcome we won't be getting.0 -
Agreed. Looks shifty and pathetic, and as it was the catalyst for what followed, will result in the principal amount of derision fall on them, to the extent people notice. Labour won't escape derision for the mess, so it could wind up as a no score draw, but the Tories have an aura of intra-party incompetence already, unlike, somehow, Labour, where the effect is less pronounced.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Well said.JohnO said:Sadly not - Europe has been the party's fault line for now going on 30 years.
I cannot fathom why the whips/May contrived not to have a vote on the EAW - sure there would have been a Tory rebellion but one (as the eventual vote proved) that was eminently containable. While the public won't give a jot about the Parliamentary manouverings, it was a wholly gratituous provocation to many backbenchers beyond the usual suspects and hence woefully counter-productive.
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And I'm going to troll Douglas Carswell tomorrow.0
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Scott_P said:
The EAW was incorporated into UK legislation when Gordo signed the Lisbon Treaty (via the back door)JohnO said:I cannot fathom why the whips/May contrived not to have a vote on the EAW
What exactly would you have had them vote on? "This House agrees that no changes to UK law are required, so, err..."
Other parts of the indivisible package require changes in UK law. Should the HoC not have debated those? (Yvette tried to stop them)
Try your ludicrous spinning somewhere else , it won't do you or May/Cameron any good on here .
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It's a shame the spread-betting website closes down at 6pm.0
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What's your opinion on the EAW mess?TheScreamingEagles said:And I'm going to troll Douglas Carswell tomorrow.
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Have you not applied to our new Tory party yet? You sound very sound there....Easterross said:
Frankly I don't give a toss about the EAW. I am interested in tax cuts and Labour getting hammered at the GE with UKIP marginalised.Speedy said:
I repeat, what do you think about the EAW mess?Easterross said:It was priceless hearing Chuka proclaim David Miliband a great leader and future PM this morning.
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Pre-prepared?! Please stop it before my eyes start to bleed!TheScreamingEagles said:
It was a pre-prepared new innovation.JonnyJimmy said:
That's not just bad, it's filthy!TheScreamingEagles said:
I decided to do bad things to the English language tonightJonnyJimmy said:
I's??!! Did you forget 'my'?TheScreamingEagles said:Scrapheap and I's Dry but obsessed with Europe and the Gays new Tory Party probably picked up a few new members this evening.
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And back at 1015? You don't break the record, another poster was home from a dinner party at 9.25 on Saturday.impartial said:Dinner Party this evening
Europe .... yawn
Road improvements ...now thats something useful
Ed PM ....you must be joking!
In my admittedly limited experience dinner parties don't really get off the ground before 8.30 these days. You must eat jolly fast.
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You joined the LD?TheScreamingEagles said:
OoppsScrapheap_as_was said:
You've missed a 'not' there I believe in quite a significant place....TheScreamingEagles said:Scrapheap and I's Dry but obsessed with Europe and the Gays new Tory Party probably picked up a few new members this evening.
Only 38 headbangers left as well post tonight... clever tactics to reveal themselves albeit one was the UKIP man needing a clean pair of pants.
I'm knucking fackered tonight
Scrapheap and I's Dry but NOT obsessed with Europe and the Gays new Tory Party probably picked up a few new members this evening.0 -
I've not been really following it, but judging what I've read of it, and JohnO's criticism, I can only say it is a clusterfuck wrapped in an omnishamblesSpeedy said:
What's your opinion on the EAW mess?TheScreamingEagles said:And I'm going to troll Douglas Carswell tomorrow.
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Even if Europe wasn't divisive for the Conservatives they'd still find a way to keep it destructive for them. They're pretty much just BlueKip now anyway and they're still fighting themselves.0
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Not every penny, but a little. Actually, I'm less certain of a Tory loss than I have been at any time this parliament, with Labour declining, showing some more divisions and under pressure in Scotland, but I still think with the Tories as incompetent at managing their own party as ever, with the electoral disadvantages they face, having been in power during a period of unpopular 'cuts' and not receiving any uptick now the economy is improving, and still suffering at the hand of UKIP more than Labour, that it is too much for them to overcome.JonnyJimmy said:
If you can call an 11/10 shot very unlikely, you should be laying it for every penny you can afford to gamble. Are you?kle4 said:
The Tories being in power would be the miracle. Although in fairness perhaps I should downgrade it to just being very unlikely, if Labour's internal problems become more pronounced and the threat in Scotland materializes.JonnyJimmy said:
What's the miracle? The Tories being in power (Cameron 11/10 with ladbrokes to be PM at Queen's speech), or the referendum?kle4 said:If by some miracle the Tories are in power and a referendum occurs,
If they are in power and they don't hold the referendum as promised I will join UKIP, I'm sure I won't be alone.
I do think there will be a referendum if they do get in, in a coalition that would be a red line issue, as as little credibility as the leadership has with much of its own base - and those left for UKIP - on the issue, I can see people spontaneously combusting if Cameron sought to delay or prevent it, even if there was theoretically a good reason. Hell, he'll have enough trouble defending why it will be in 2017 and not sooner.
Should have got on Labour right after the 2010 election really, I thought they would win abck then, and as the Tory polling held up until the omnishambles budget, I'd probably have gotten a good price.
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Front pages of the newspapers seem to have very little interest in the whole EAW hookey cookey.0
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OKJonnyJimmy said:
Pre-prepared?! Please stop it before my eyes start to bleed!TheScreamingEagles said:
It was a pre-prepared new innovation.JonnyJimmy said:
That's not just bad, it's filthy!TheScreamingEagles said:
I decided to do bad things to the English language tonightJonnyJimmy said:
I's??!! Did you forget 'my'?TheScreamingEagles said:Scrapheap and I's Dry but obsessed with Europe and the Gays new Tory Party probably picked up a few new members this evening.
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The Lib Dems won't have me.Speedy said:
You joined the LD?TheScreamingEagles said:
OoppsScrapheap_as_was said:
You've missed a 'not' there I believe in quite a significant place....TheScreamingEagles said:Scrapheap and I's Dry but obsessed with Europe and the Gays new Tory Party probably picked up a few new members this evening.
Only 38 headbangers left as well post tonight... clever tactics to reveal themselves albeit one was the UKIP man needing a clean pair of pants.
I'm knucking fackered tonight
Scrapheap and I's Dry but NOT obsessed with Europe and the Gays new Tory Party probably picked up a few new members this evening.0 -
There could have easily been a separate motion/resolution on the EAW in addition to those parts that did require formal Parliamentary approval. An explicit promise was made by both PM and May that such a vote would take place: it should have been honoured. The result would have been the same - 30-40 Tory rebels - but would not have added an unnecessary injection of rancour. I've no time whatever for self-indulgent Tory splitters on the backbenches but the leadership has to play its part in not going out of its way to offend. Ken Clarke recognized that, why couldn't Theresa May done the same?Scott_P said:
The EAW was incorporates into UK legislation when Gordo signed the Lisbon Treaty (via the back door)JohnO said:I cannot fathom why the whips/May contrived not to have a vote on the EAW
What exactly would you have had them vote on? "This House agrees that no changes to UK law are required, so, err..."
Other parts of the indivisible package require changes in UK law. Should the HoC not have debated those? (Yvette tried to stop them)
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Ask him if he'll be claiming on expenses for the dry cleaning bill for having his suit trousers cleaned.TheScreamingEagles said:And I'm going to troll Douglas Carswell tomorrow.
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You are too left wing?TheScreamingEagles said:
The Lib Dems won't have me.Speedy said:
You joined the LD?TheScreamingEagles said:
OoppsScrapheap_as_was said:
You've missed a 'not' there I believe in quite a significant place....TheScreamingEagles said:Scrapheap and I's Dry but obsessed with Europe and the Gays new Tory Party probably picked up a few new members this evening.
Only 38 headbangers left as well post tonight... clever tactics to reveal themselves albeit one was the UKIP man needing a clean pair of pants.
I'm knucking fackered tonight
Scrapheap and I's Dry but NOT obsessed with Europe and the Gays new Tory Party probably picked up a few new members this evening.0 -
Yay, Aldi and LIDL are awesome.bigjohnowls said:ALDI passes Waitrose in UK sales
Everbody avoiding TSE in the easy to cook aisle
They help keep the riff raff out of my local Waitrose0 -
The fact the Tories keep talking about the EU over other issues is utterly bizarre. It's as if they want UKIP to succeed.
The way to regain votes from UKIP is to raise the profile of the domestic agenda.0 -
Please, I've been called on here a far right extremist.Speedy said:
You are too left wing?TheScreamingEagles said:
The Lib Dems won't have me.Speedy said:
You joined the LD?TheScreamingEagles said:
OoppsScrapheap_as_was said:
You've missed a 'not' there I believe in quite a significant place....TheScreamingEagles said:Scrapheap and I's Dry but obsessed with Europe and the Gays new Tory Party probably picked up a few new members this evening.
Only 38 headbangers left as well post tonight... clever tactics to reveal themselves albeit one was the UKIP man needing a clean pair of pants.
I'm knucking fackered tonight
Scrapheap and I's Dry but NOT obsessed with Europe and the Gays new Tory Party probably picked up a few new members this evening.0 -
I say comparing Carswell and his fellow pig dog traitor to Judas is unfair.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Ask him if he'll be claiming on expenses for the dry cleaning bill for having his suit trousers cleaned.TheScreamingEagles said:And I'm going to troll Douglas Carswell tomorrow.
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@Sun_Politics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by one, Lib Dems and Greens tied in fourth place on 6%: CON 32%, LAB 33%, LD 6%, UKIP 17%, GRN 6%0
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What over ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Please, I've been called on here a far right extremist.Speedy said:
You are too left wing?TheScreamingEagles said:
The Lib Dems won't have me.Speedy said:
You joined the LD?TheScreamingEagles said:
OoppsScrapheap_as_was said:
You've missed a 'not' there I believe in quite a significant place....TheScreamingEagles said:Scrapheap and I's Dry but obsessed with Europe and the Gays new Tory Party probably picked up a few new members this evening.
Only 38 headbangers left as well post tonight... clever tactics to reveal themselves albeit one was the UKIP man needing a clean pair of pants.
I'm knucking fackered tonight
Scrapheap and I's Dry but NOT obsessed with Europe and the Gays new Tory Party probably picked up a few new members this evening.
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By all accounts, most of the 2010 intake were eurosceptic.Speedy said:
Actually after the Tory defeat next May most of the centrist Tory MP's will be gone.anotherDave said:
Never happen. The parliamentary Conservative Party is openly pro-EU. UKIP are the only anti-EU option.KentRising said:The Tories will only be a settled party on Europe when it is fully a hard eurosceptic party committed to withdrawal.
The Tory parliamentary party was europhile until 1997 but only the eurosceptic right wing core remained after 1997 till 2010.
It's just most of them are careerists and will follow the line of the leadership/big business over voting on their principles.0 -
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YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by one, Lib Dems and Greens tied in fourth place on 6%: CON 32%, LAB 33%, LD 6%, UKIP 17%, GRN 6%0 -
I've got 'hard left' views for my anti-kipper snobbery here on pb too....TheScreamingEagles said:
Please, I've been called on here a far right extremist.Speedy said:
You are too left wing?TheScreamingEagles said:
The Lib Dems won't have me.Speedy said:
You joined the LD?TheScreamingEagles said:
OoppsScrapheap_as_was said:
You've missed a 'not' there I believe in quite a significant place....TheScreamingEagles said:Scrapheap and I's Dry but obsessed with Europe and the Gays new Tory Party probably picked up a few new members this evening.
Only 38 headbangers left as well post tonight... clever tactics to reveal themselves albeit one was the UKIP man needing a clean pair of pants.
I'm knucking fackered tonight
Scrapheap and I's Dry but NOT obsessed with Europe and the Gays new Tory Party probably picked up a few new members this evening.0 -
Good evening. I have long been of the view that David isnt mighty keen on another termJonathan said:At this rate the proposed EU referendum is going to be a disaster for the Tories.
Dave will start to take comfort in losing the GE.
Come to think of it, that might explain current strategy.
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I once said I wouldn't want to live next door to a Muslim family.Tykejohnno said:
What over ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Please, I've been called on here a far right extremist.Speedy said:
You are too left wing?TheScreamingEagles said:
The Lib Dems won't have me.Speedy said:
You joined the LD?TheScreamingEagles said:
OoppsScrapheap_as_was said:
You've missed a 'not' there I believe in quite a significant place....TheScreamingEagles said:Scrapheap and I's Dry but obsessed with Europe and the Gays new Tory Party probably picked up a few new members this evening.
Only 38 headbangers left as well post tonight... clever tactics to reveal themselves albeit one was the UKIP man needing a clean pair of pants.
I'm knucking fackered tonight
Scrapheap and I's Dry but NOT obsessed with Europe and the Gays new Tory Party probably picked up a few new members this evening.
One particularly stupid poster concluded that I was a racist, and was the sort who put burning crosses in the gardens of Muslim families.0 -
It's as though Labour are trying to win the prize for the most one point leads in a given time period.TheScreamingEagles said:Sun Politics @Sun_Politics
YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by one, Lib Dems and Greens tied in fourth place on 6%: CON 32%, LAB 33%, LD 6%, UKIP 17%, GRN 6%0 -
Time for the main event. Laters!
Rochester special on telly or radio on bbc somewhere...0 -
impartial said:
Dinner Party this evening
Europe .... yawn
Road improvements ...now thats something useful
Ed PM ....you must be joking!
More's to the point, who hosts dinner parties on Monday evenings? Not recommendedIshmael_X said:
And back at 1015? You don't break the record, another poster was home from a dinner party at 9.25 on Saturday.impartial said:Dinner Party this evening
Europe .... yawn
Road improvements ...now thats something useful
Ed PM ....you must be joking!
In my admittedly limited experience dinner parties don't really get off the ground before 8.30 these days. You must eat jolly fast.0 -
I eagerly await the Lib Dems falling to 6th place, behind the SNP.TheScreamingEagles said:Sun Politics @Sun_Politics
YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by one, Lib Dems and Greens tied in fourth place on 6%: CON 32%, LAB 33%, LD 6%, UKIP 17%, GRN 6%0 -
Christ,the bad publicity miliband/labour have had in the last week or so,tories still trailing.TheScreamingEagles said:Sun Politics @Sun_Politics
YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by one, Lib Dems and Greens tied in fourth place on 6%: CON 32%, LAB 33%, LD 6%, UKIP 17%, GRN 6%
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Dude, one of the Kipper idiots on here said, I tolerated child rape so the Tories could do well.Scrapheap_as_was said:
I've got 'hard left' views for my anti-kipper snobbery here on pb too....TheScreamingEagles said:
Please, I've been called on here a far right extremist.Speedy said:
You are too left wing?TheScreamingEagles said:
The Lib Dems won't have me.Speedy said:
You joined the LD?TheScreamingEagles said:
OoppsScrapheap_as_was said:
You've missed a 'not' there I believe in quite a significant place....TheScreamingEagles said:Scrapheap and I's Dry but obsessed with Europe and the Gays new Tory Party probably picked up a few new members this evening.
Only 38 headbangers left as well post tonight... clever tactics to reveal themselves albeit one was the UKIP man needing a clean pair of pants.
I'm knucking fackered tonight
Scrapheap and I's Dry but NOT obsessed with Europe and the Gays new Tory Party probably picked up a few new members this evening.
You can't help but pity people with such a mindset.0 -
I like riff raff.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yay, Aldi and LIDL are awesome.bigjohnowls said:ALDI passes Waitrose in UK sales
Everbody avoiding TSE in the easy to cook aisle
They help keep the riff raff out of my local Waitrose
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The fault line in the Tory party over the EU could easily be remedied. All it would need is a Tory leader to come out and say "We want to restrict EU migration to 150k a year, opt out the CAP and be able to negotiate our own trade deals. If we don't get two out of the three, I'll campaign for replacing our membership with a free trade deal."
The whole Tory party, except Ken Clarke, would back that position. UKIP would be neutralised. The public would support it. The Tories would romp home with a good sized majority.
And yet they refuse to do it. For what purpose? A handful of votes in the European parliament and avoiding country of origin labelling. It's ridiculous.0 -
I see that UKIP have lengthened slightly in Rochester & Strood. I do hope that Tracey Crouch hasn't been ramping.0
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Do we think the public care much about tonight's omnishambling?0
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Average of today's 4 polls:
Lab 32.50%
Con 31.75%
UKIP 15.00%
LD 8.75%
Greens 5.75%
Lab lead: 0.75%
Baxtered:
Lab 326, Con 273, LD 22, Nat 9, UKIP 00 -
Very poor judgement from Reckless and his team tonight.
Twitter
Dan Hodges @DPJHodges now60 seconds ago London, England
Medway hospital ask Mark Reckless and Ukip not to use them for political purposes. So, true to form, Ukip and Reckless attack the hospital.
Mark Reckless @MarkReckless 4 mins4 minutes ago
Questions for Medway Hospital Board http://wp.me/p43U2c-2oe0 -
Maybe ..@DPJHodges: Medway hospital ask Mark Reckless and Ukip not to use them for political purposes. So, true to form, Ukip and Reckless attack the hospital.antifrank said:I see that UKIP have lengthened slightly in Rochester & Strood. I do hope that Tracey Crouch hasn't been ramping.
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LOL!TheScreamingEagles said:
I once said I wouldn't want to live next door to a Muslim family.Tykejohnno said:
What over ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Please, I've been called on here a far right extremist.Speedy said:
You are too left wing?TheScreamingEagles said:
The Lib Dems won't have me.Speedy said:
You joined the LD?TheScreamingEagles said:
OoppsScrapheap_as_was said:
You've missed a 'not' there I believe in quite a significant place....TheScreamingEagles said:Scrapheap and I's Dry but obsessed with Europe and the Gays new Tory Party probably picked up a few new members this evening.
Only 38 headbangers left as well post tonight... clever tactics to reveal themselves albeit one was the UKIP man needing a clean pair of pants.
I'm knucking fackered tonight
Scrapheap and I's Dry but NOT obsessed with Europe and the Gays new Tory Party probably picked up a few new members this evening.
One particularly stupid poster concluded that I was a racist, and was the sort who put burning crosses in the gardens of Muslim families.0 -
The rebels on the substantive vote (Graham Stringer is Labour and Sammy Wilson DUP). At first glance I'd say about half are from the 2010 intake
Afriyie, Adam
Baker, Steve
Barclay, Stephen
Baron, Mr John
Brady, Mr Graham
Bridgen, Andrew
Cash, Sir William
Davis, rh Mr David
de Bois, Nick
Drax, Richard
Goldsmith, Zac
Gray, Mr James
Heaton-Harris, Chris
Henderson, Gordon
Jenkin, Mr Bernard
Kelly, Chris
Leigh, Sir Edward
Lewis, Dr Julian
Lilley, rh Mr Peter
Main, Mrs Anne
McCartney, Jason
McCartney, Karl
Mills, Nigel
Morris, Anne Marie
Nuttall, Mr David
Percy, Andrew
Raab, Mr Dominic
Redwood, rh Mr John
Rees-Mogg, Jacob
Reevell, Simon
Robertson, Mr Laurence
Shepherd, Sir Richard
Stringer, Graham
Syms, Mr Robert
Turner, Mr Andrew
Whittingdale, Mr John
Wiggin, Bill
Wilson, Sammy
Tellers for the Noes:
Douglas Carswell
and
Mr Philip Hollobone
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UKIP's Patrick O'Flynn's will be on Newsnight in a bit talking CBI etc.0
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That's very interesting, but how am I to interpret a Yougov poll which no one has run through a ludicrously outdated UNS calculator which I could never, ever find for myself on the internet?bigjohnowls said:
I like riff raff.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yay, Aldi and LIDL are awesome.bigjohnowls said:ALDI passes Waitrose in UK sales
Everbody avoiding TSE in the easy to cook aisle
They help keep the riff raff out of my local Waitrose
Love my once a month visit to Aldi
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