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  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    Matthew Goodwin @GoodwinMJ · 10m 10 minutes ago
    All vox pops after debate critical of Kelly Tolhurst. Will "Kelly factor" be more significant than any anti-Reckless sentiment? #RSVote

    Seems like the Labour candidate did the best in the debate. I wonder how many watched and if it will make a difference.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    On the point about by-elections -- in 1997, there was one as late as the end of February on the Wirral, barely two months before the election. There'd probably still be a window to squeeze in some more if there's any more defections before Xmas.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Artist said:

    Matthew Goodwin @GoodwinMJ · 10m 10 minutes ago
    All vox pops after debate critical of Kelly Tolhurst. Will "Kelly factor" be more significant than any anti-Reckless sentiment? #RSVote

    Seems like the Labour candidate did the best in the debate. I wonder how many watched and if it will make a difference.

    She was really awful, and was actually exposed as a hypocrite on at least two occasions.

    If enough people watched it Id think of backing labour to come second... Anyone want to lay odds?

    The labour candidate spoke really well and I think would make a good MP

    INCREDIBLE HOW MANY Tories in here called this by election so wrong

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    If the person trying yo lay the conservatives in Rochester on Betfair at 11.5 for £200 is on here please do yourself a favour and go 7.6

    Why on earth do people do that? It's like going to an auction where a house Is being bid on at £200k and offering £300k
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "Ukip criticised after laying wreath in Chatham with party's branding at remembrance service

    A poignant remembrance service attended by war veterans and their families flared into a political row after a Ukip candidate laid a wreath on behalf of his party.

    Steve Newton, who will stand in the Chatham and Aylesford constituency in next year’s general election, placed his floral tribute, embellished with his party’s branding, at the memorial in Victoria Gardens, Chatham, yesterday.

    The gesture angered his fellow politicians. Chatham MP Tracey Crouch and Medway Council Labour group leader Vince Maple branded it “distasteful” and “totally inappropriate”":


    http://www.kentonline.co.uk/medway/news/storm-over-ukip-poppy-wreath-26696/
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Kelly Tolhurst did not come across well in a recent radio interview:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkqa4Yduikc
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    edited November 2014

    This does certainly raise the interesting question of whether the Conservative Party could actually hold together in the lead-up to an EU Referendum. Critics of Cameron have of course this completely the wrong way round; the remarkable thing is not that the party is torn on the subject - it has been for a quarter of a century - but that he has managed (just) to hold the line for nine years.

    I have to say that I don't think one can be confident on this. Critics of Cameron are completely immune to reason, to the point that they are furiously adamant that he is the only obstacle to a referendum in which the British people, fed up with the EU, would triumphantly vote Out! and regain British freedoms, and at the same time want to sabotage the possibility of such a referendum.

    What can be done, faced with such irrationality? The conundrum has defeated four successive Tory leaders, which suggests there is no solution.

    All the more reason, I fear, for thinking that we at severe risk of a decade or more of weak and disastrous Labour-led government.

    Change the voting system to PR, let the sceptics split off and form a coalition with them. You've still got 6 months to do it, stop faffing around and get it done. The alternative is your decade or more of weak and disastrous Labour-led government, after which PR probably gets enacted anyway.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    God almighty Tolhurst is dreadful in that interview
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    edited November 2014
    Socrates said:

    The fault line in the Tory party over the EU could easily be remedied. All it would need is a Tory leader to come out and say "We want to restrict EU migration to 150k a year, opt out the CAP and be able to negotiate our own trade deals. If we don't get two out of the three, I'll campaign for replacing our membership with a free trade deal."

    The whole Tory party, except Ken Clarke, would back that position. UKIP would be neutralised. The public would support it. The Tories would romp home with a good sized majority.

    And yet they refuse to do it. For what purpose? A handful of votes in the European parliament and avoiding country of origin labelling. It's ridiculous.

    What kind of free trade deal, and how much should they concede to get it? They'd be even more divided on that than they are on the EU.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Ishmael_X said:

    God almighty Tolhurst is dreadful in that interview

    And the Tories still haven't revealed how many votes she polled in the open primary.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited November 2014
    NOM down to 1.6, the lowest so far I think:

    http://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/market?id=1.101416490
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Kelly Tolhurst: local homes for local people, we don't want people from Bristol here!
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564
    edited November 2014
    AndyJS said:

    "Ukip criticised after laying wreath in Chatham with party's branding at remembrance service

    A poignant remembrance service attended by war veterans and their families flared into a political row after a Ukip candidate laid a wreath on behalf of his party.

    Steve Newton, who will stand in the Chatham and Aylesford constituency in next year’s general election, placed his floral tribute, embellished with his party’s branding, at the memorial in Victoria Gardens, Chatham, yesterday.

    The gesture angered his fellow politicians. Chatham MP Tracey Crouch and Medway Council Labour group leader Vince Maple branded it “distasteful” and “totally inappropriate”":


    http://www.kentonline.co.uk/medway/news/storm-over-ukip-poppy-wreath-26696/

    Beeston Conservative Club laid a wreath with their name on it at our local ceremony. We didn't really think it was something we should complain about - one can debate these things but in the end we shouldn't be squabbling over Remembrance Day. Perhaps the emblem makes it a slightly different case.
  • AndyJS said:

    Kelly Tolhurst: local homes for local people, we don't want people from Bristol here!

    Carswell ran on a similar platform in Clacton.

    Once these people have secures the external borders they can get to work setting up checkpoints to stop people migrating between towns.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    AndyJS said:

    NOM down to 1.6, the lowest so far I think:

    http://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/market?id=1.101416490

    It was 1.58 at least and the Cons were at 7 over the weekend.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    AndyJS said:

    Kelly Tolhurst: local homes for local people, we don't want people from Bristol here!

    Carswell ran on a similar platform in Clacton.

    Once these people have secures the external borders they can get to work setting up checkpoints to stop people migrating between towns.
    You jest but with London being gentrified the local authorities don't want the social housing tenants hanging around making the place look untidy and taking up space they could rent out or sell to the rich.. So new homes are being built in areas where local people don't want them in the suburbs.

    You look at all the places in the Se where Ukip are doing well, and most have in common the fact that they are starting to be used as dumping grounds for the people that inner London don't want
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    RodCrosby said:

    AndyJS said:

    NOM down to 1.6, the lowest so far I think:

    http://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/market?id=1.101416490

    It was 1.58 at least and the Cons were at 7 over the weekend.
    I'd be surprised if it goes much lower than 1.5 before the election. It ought to do but I think there will always be enough people hoping for a majority and placing bets based on that hope.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564
    isam said:

    Artist said:

    Matthew Goodwin @GoodwinMJ · 10m 10 minutes ago
    All vox pops after debate critical of Kelly Tolhurst. Will "Kelly factor" be more significant than any anti-Reckless sentiment? #RSVote

    Seems like the Labour candidate did the best in the debate. I wonder how many watched and if it will make a difference.

    She was really awful, and was actually exposed as a hypocrite on at least two occasions.

    If enough people watched it Id think of backing labour to come second... Anyone want to lay odds?

    The labour candidate spoke really well and I think would make a good MP

    INCREDIBLE HOW MANY Tories in here called this by election so wrong

    Watched a bit - Reckless is very much the Incumbent MP, solid but a bit smug, Tolhurst looks out of her depth, Khan (the Labour candidate) is lively and punchy, as is the Green.

  • NormNorm Posts: 1,251
    edited November 2014
    AndyJS said:

    Kelly Tolhurst: local homes for local people, we don't want people from Bristol here!

    It is true Kelly could use some polishing when it comes to media performances. However she is both authentic and a genuine local, factors that play well in R & S. Also she is driven, diligent and not afraid of hard work and for those reasons might potentially make a good constituency MP. A more up to date poll in R & S would be helpful as it is possible the gap is continuing to close although Reckless must remain strong favourite.
  • isam said:

    AndyJS said:

    Kelly Tolhurst: local homes for local people, we don't want people from Bristol here!

    Carswell ran on a similar platform in Clacton.

    Once these people have secures the external borders they can get to work setting up checkpoints to stop people migrating between towns.
    You jest but with London being gentrified the local authorities don't want the social housing tenants hanging around making the place look untidy and taking up space they could rent out or sell to the rich.. So new homes are being built in areas where local people don't want them in the suburbs.

    You look at all the places in the Se where Ukip are doing well, and most have in common the fact that they are starting to be used as dumping grounds for the people that inner London don't want
    Interesting - that sort-of solves the conundrum of the anti-immigration party doing well in places that hardly have any (foreign) immigration:

    1) Foreign immigration, which you can makes laws about, serves as a proxy for domestic immigration, which you can't.
    2) (Arguably, at a bit of a stretch) foreign immigration is indirectly causing domestic immigration. (I say at a stretch because London gentrification would be happening even without foreign immigration.)
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    The UKIP candidate for Stockton North, Mandy Boylett, has an interesting background:

    http://www.mandyboylett.co.uk/about-me/
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966


    - He promised to get reforms on the EAW. Done, with the three main objections addressed.

    The problem with these reforms is they are worthless, because they will be adjudicated by the European Courts, not our courts, and Europe doesn't follow our interpretation. See Mr Hannan on that subject a few hours ago.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqGUHeaRa2Q
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Interesting by-election coming up on Thursday for the Queen Edith's ward of Cambridge City Council:

    https://www.cambridge.gov.uk/queen-ediths-ward-by-election

    It's the only Cambridge ward not in the eponymous constituency. Instead it's located in Andrew Lansley's South Cambridgeshire seat.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "Matthew Goodwin @goodwinmj · 3h 3 hours ago

    View of R&S cands. Reckless kept cool in hostile room. Con abrasive. Lab impressive. Lib Dem half asleep. Green genuinely up for it #RSVote”


    https://twitter.com/goodwinmj
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited November 2014
    Well quite...

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11222123/The-Government-has-behaved-like-a-sack-of-greased-weasels.html
    Before the vote, I tried to explain the EAW thing to a colleague, an educated and intelligent adult. After putting up with my rambling about statutory instruments and programme motions for a graciously long period of time, he said: “I didn’t understand a word of that, but I understand that the Government has behaved like a sack of greased weasels.”
  • Cunning plan?
    take focus off Ed.
    Ed stays.
    Biggest ectoral asset to Tories
    Simmple......
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