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Will there ever be a time when things European are not so divisive for the Tory party?
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Edit my first first for ages. Woopee!
If Lab win, then the Tories will continue to flit back and forth, attempting to out UKIP UKIP or just asking UKIP for an alliance, while the leadership remains unwilling to contemplate it in a genuine fashion.
I don't know what resolved this sort of split in the past. Maybe a big enough war. The losers of the debate might have noticed that the world was moving on and leaving them behind.
"QTWTAIN?"
Only when the Tory party officially splits and all it's euro-skeptics are in a single party of their own.
If they are in power and they don't hold the referendum as promised I will join UKIP, I'm sure I won't be alone.
If the EU continues its attacks on the City, if it continues to integrate the EZ and they start to vote as a QMV bloc, if the bill rises to unacceptable levels and if a credible alternative can be found for British business just maybe.
I think we are slowly heading towards the exit. The leadership of the main parties doesn't really want this but we are on a different path to most of the EU and the paths are gradually drifting apart. My guess is that this consensus will not be reached by 2017 though. If the tories win they run a serious risk of self destructing on this.
I cannot fathom why the whips/May contrived not to have a vote on the EAW - sure there would have been a Tory rebellion but one (as the eventual vote proved) that was eminently containable. While the public won't give a jot about the Parliamentary manouverings, it was a wholly gratituous provocation to many backbenchers beyond the usual suspects and hence woefully counter-productive.
I nearly tacked on the end of the previous post that the PBT's would no doubt see today's debacle as all about Chuka...
Europe .... yawn
Road improvements ...now thats something useful
Ed PM ....you must be joking!
Dave will start to take comfort in losing the GE.
Come to think of it, that might explain current strategy.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8388475.stm
Yvette Cooper was good today.
I do think there will be a referendum if they do get in, in a coalition that would be a red line issue, as as little credibility as the leadership has with much of its own base - and those left for UKIP - on the issue, I can see people spontaneously combusting if Cameron sought to delay or prevent it, even if there was theoretically a good reason. Hell, he'll have enough trouble defending why it will be in 2017 and not sooner.
The Tory parliamentary party was europhile until 1997 but only the eurosceptic right wing core remained after 1997 till 2010.
steve hawkes @steve_hawkes · 1 hr 1 hour ago
Tories furious with Bercow, Labour furious with Theresa, Eurosceptics furious. Another day in Westminster
What exactly would you have had them vote on? "This House agrees that no changes to UK law are required, so, err..."
Other parts of the indivisible package require changes in UK law. Should the HoC not have debated those? (Yvette tried to stop them)
The European Union Act 2011 is a remarkably complicated piece of legislation but this still strikes me as odd.
Only 38 headbangers left as well post tonight... clever tactics to reveal themselves albeit one was the UKIP man needing a clean pair of pants.
I'm knucking fackered tonight
Scrapheap and I's Dry but NOT obsessed with Europe and the Gays new Tory Party probably picked up a few new members this evening.
Can't see UKIP being marginalised, I'm afraid; I've spoken to too many people who are through with the Tories just as much as Labour. GE2015 is going to be one to sit and laugh at, win lose or draw. There will be some crazily random results and Tory majority is one outcome we won't be getting.
Try your ludicrous spinning somewhere else , it won't do you or May/Cameron any good on here .
In my admittedly limited experience dinner parties don't really get off the ground before 8.30 these days. You must eat jolly fast.
Should have got on Labour right after the 2010 election really, I thought they would win abck then, and as the Tory polling held up until the omnishambles budget, I'd probably have gotten a good price.
Everbody avoiding TSE in the easy to cook aisle
They help keep the riff raff out of my local Waitrose
The way to regain votes from UKIP is to raise the profile of the domestic agenda.
"This is already legislated for thanks to Gordo so we ..."
Judas had the decency to commit suicide after his betrayal
It's just most of them are careerists and will follow the line of the leadership/big business over voting on their principles.
YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by one, Lib Dems and Greens tied in fourth place on 6%: CON 32%, LAB 33%, LD 6%, UKIP 17%, GRN 6%
One particularly stupid poster concluded that I was a racist, and was the sort who put burning crosses in the gardens of Muslim families.
Rochester special on telly or radio on bbc somewhere...
You can't help but pity people with such a mindset.
Love my once a month visit to Aldi
The whole Tory party, except Ken Clarke, would back that position. UKIP would be neutralised. The public would support it. The Tories would romp home with a good sized majority.
And yet they refuse to do it. For what purpose? A handful of votes in the European parliament and avoiding country of origin labelling. It's ridiculous.
Lab 32.50%
Con 31.75%
UKIP 15.00%
LD 8.75%
Greens 5.75%
Lab lead: 0.75%
Baxtered:
Lab 326, Con 273, LD 22, Nat 9, UKIP 0
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