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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,992
    BYD has outsold Tesla in EV's in 2023.
    No. Me neither.
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    What is this utter nonsensical idea of Clarence Thomas recusing himself?

    Has he ever done anything to suggest he has a sense of integrity or propriety?
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,324
    Leon said:

    UPDATE: Explosion in Beirut, Lebanon kills Hamas leader Saleh Arouri


    https://x.com/joyce_karam/status/1742227311347298555?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Israel did it

    If the war is going to widen, it could be now (let’s hope it doesn’t)

    Again, with feeling....
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    eekeek Posts: 25,009

    eek said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    I’m confused why this is news - all supermarkets have a seasonal aisle that will go Christmas, Easter, summer, back to school, Halloween, Christmas

    And the corner shop has had crème eggs from the day the cash and carry got them in (so early December)
    I was told by my local shop (stocking eggs since before Christmas) that Creme Eggs are one of/the biggest Cadbury's seller in December.
    It’s the same at my corner shop - they easily sell 2 boxes a day when they first appear on the counter
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,457
    HYUFD said:

    This is probably just clickbait, but worth noting:

    https://twitter.com/politvidchannel/status/1741161192155226539

    On the other hand they might just throw SCOTUS impartiality to the wind and back Trump. Clarence Thomas will be off rations for eternity if he doesn't back Trump.

    (1.76 pints of mind bleach are enclosed with this post).
    The billionaires who have been kindly supporting Thomas in minor ways that needn't trouble any declaration of interests forms may one day realise that Trump does more harm to them than good.

    This is probably just clickbait, but worth noting:

    https://twitter.com/politvidchannel/status/1741161192155226539

    On the other hand they might just throw SCOTUS impartiality to the wind and back Trump. Clarence Thomas will be off rations for eternity if he doesn't back Trump.

    (1.76 pints of mind bleach are enclosed with this post).
    The billionaires who have been kindly supporting Thomas in minor ways that needn't trouble any declaration of interests forms may one day realise that Trump does more harm to them than good.
    Maine is probably 1 electoral vote lost for Trump, if this happens - Maine splits its electoral votes.

    The interesting bit will be any cases up coming in swing states
    Or if big states like California, NY and Illinois try to block Trump from their ballots.

    For even if they are blue states in the general election they carry a lot of delegates in the GOP primaries which would make it much more difficult for Trump to even get the GOP nomination in the Presidential election and impossible if most swing states also keep him off the ballot (even if he could still run 3rd party in red states and any swing states which kept him on the ballot)
    Which means the Democrats win by default.

    It also possibly means that Biden bails out late doors, if he's not up against Trump directly- although he might argue he still is - which makes betting odds on current alternative Democratic candidate interesting.

    I know the rationale for Kamala Harris as VP, but I don't buy it. She's too shit and unpopular.

    If Trump goes, Biden possibly goes and I think the field is then pretty open on the Dem side.
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,587
    MattW said:

    DavidL said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    eek said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    I’m confused why this is news - all supermarkets have a seasonal aisle that will go Christmas, Easter, summer, back to school, Halloween, Christmas

    And the corner shop has had crème eggs from the day the cash and carry got them in (so early December)
    Tbf I don’t see a reason why creme eggs couldn’t be available year round.
    Because it's sacrilegious! Creme eggs should be eaten at Easter, as it says in the Bible! From Matthew 26:

    And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. And he took a small chocolate egg, and prayed over it, and gave it to them, saying, Taste ye, for it has some sort of sweet, gooey stuff inside. And, lo, it did have some sort of sweet, gooey stuff inside, which made it look a bit like a real egg.
    The question I had occasion to ask on Hogmanay was whether the gluten free alternative being offered in some churches to bread were really still Jesus?
    The Church of England has for years used what look and taste like small discs of cardboard
    That depends on your bit of the CofE.

    The Low (late 20C/early 21C definition of "Low") end tends to use actual loaves of bread, as a theological link to daily life rather than a wafer factory, and as a nod to a physical "one bread" from the NT.

    The CoE canons allow both leavened and unleavened bread. Both have a long and respect worthy tradition. Basically, in the west (RCs) they tried to do what Jesus did (no yeast) but the Greeks in the east tried to do what was everyday normal (yeast). Like so many things, totally incompatible, but both good. Good old woolly liberal CoE. That's why I find it to be my best home.
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    Leon said:

    UPDATE: Explosion in Beirut, Lebanon kills Hamas leader Saleh Arouri


    https://x.com/joyce_karam/status/1742227311347298555?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Israel did it

    If the war is going to widen, it could be now (let’s hope it doesn’t)

    Good riddance.

    Been some positive developments lately in the war to eliminate Hamas, with Israel getting a number of targets in Khan Younis and now getting senior leaders in Beirut too.

    Israel needs to continue to fight this war until Hamas are eliminated. 👍
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,622
    ydoethur said:

    Oh good grief, Philippa Langley has a new book out, claiming inter alia that Lambert Simnel was Edward V.

    Well, I have to admit it's original. Nonsense on stilts, but original.

    Even allowing for the multiplicity of Edwards about at the time, it's surprising she muddled up Edward V with Edward Earl Of Warwick (whom Lambert Simnel also wasn't, for the record).

    Am now working on new book, proving that the Black Prince was actually Black person of mixed Norman-African heritage.

    Hoping for blockbuster best seller! Thus am angling for a forward by Meghan, Dutchess of Sussex.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,412
    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    UPDATE: Explosion in Beirut, Lebanon kills Hamas leader Saleh Arouri


    https://x.com/joyce_karam/status/1742227311347298555?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Israel did it

    If the war is going to widen, it could be now (let’s hope it doesn’t)

    That second explosion you heard was Hezbollah reacting.
    If Hezbollah don’t react to this - a direct Israeli drone strike on Beirut, taking out a top Hamas leader - then they are never gonna react to anything

    “All gong and no dinner”, as they say
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,918
    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    Oh, and the award for going W-A-Y off topic quickest in a thread goes to....

    If you want a black swan for 2024, what the hell would be the political impact - in the US and the UK - of Biden going on the telly from the Oval Office to confirm that we have been in contact with intelligent life from outside our solar system...

    It's going to happen sometime, why not 2024?

    It's only going to 'happen sometime' if a) there is indeed intelligent life elsewhere in the Universe, b) it is able to communicate across the distances involved, and c) it chooses to communicate.

    I would guess the chances are 50%, 1%, and 10%, so 0.05% overall.

    It's a great Black Swan suggestion mind.

    My simpler one is that one of Trump or Biden dies in 2024.
    In terms of political reaction, I'd expect Trump to say "We need to arm ourselves to the teeth to fight off this invader threat!"

    I'd then expect Biden to retort "They are so technologically advanced, it would just give them a good laugh if we tried to fight them off. My proposed course of action is dialogue - and bridging this technology gap through friendship."

    Be interesting to see how it shook up politics. Especially with the Christian right.
    There is nothing in the Bible saying God didn't also create aliens, indeed they might even see them as angels or demons
    Arthur C Clarke's Childhood's End had a peaceful alien invasion that led to something of a utopia on Earth but they never let themselves be seen. The reason being, in a somewhat Jungian twist, that they looked like the devil. One of his best books.
    Did you ever encounter James Blish's A Case for Conscience? On the issue of revelation of the Christian religion to aliens on an exosolar planet.
    Yup. I'm about six foot from a copy, next to "Cities in Flight".
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,457
    HYUFD said:

    TimS said:

    spudgfsh said:

    Question for you all. Given that this general election is going to be bad for the Tories regardless as to what they do, do we have any opinions as to who is going to be the 'Portillo moment'?

    A couple of suggestions (based on 1997 results in the constituencies):

    James Cleverly
    Penny Morduant
    Jacob Rees-Mogg

    A fascinating hatrick. But who would open all the new food banks in Portsmouth North?
    The one of those who would be a Portillo is JRM. The Portillo moment has to be a party bigwig, widely disliked (before repairing their reputation later with interesting TV programmes about trains), and long enough established that their going is iconic.

    JRM all the way. The only others I can think of who’d have similar impact would be Patel, Braverman or Raab before he announced he was stepping down.

    There will of course be a number of Lee Anderson moments as some of the smallest majorities are with the new thug tendency.
    Careful what you wish for.

    The other thing about the Portillo moment was that it was kind of the making of him. He responded in a surprisingly classy way, which belied his reputation as a right wing Bovver Boy.

    JRM can do civil words. It's the sentences that form and the actions they describe that are ghastly.

    Assuming he loses, the Conservatives will be better off without him. Just beware his reinvention doing a remake of Donald Sinden's Discovering English Churches.
    It wasn't really the making of Portillo, though. One can't feel sorry for him - he's had a thoroughly nice and interesting life. But his dream was to be PM, not to serve time in some middling cabinet posts in a fag end Tory government, followed by making some amiable travel programmes like the bastard child of John Selwyn Gummer and Judith Chalmers.

    You're right that he (and JRM would be similar) have enough about them to shake their opponent warmly by the hand, thank the returning officer, their campaign team, and their constituents for the honour of having been their MP. They aren't stupid enough to rant and rave like Mellor, storm off the stage like that tit in Tamworth, or blame their opponent and the dumb punters like the Chesham guy. But failure is failure.

    In retrospect Portillo should have stood against Major in 1995 if he really wanted to be PM. Thatcher would have likely come out for him and he would have had a much better chance of winning a majority of Tory MPs then than Redwood did.

    By the time his chance to be Tory leader came again in 2001 after he had been elected for the then still True Blue Kensington and Chelsea seat in the 1999 parliamentary by election there, he was far too much of a woolly, social liberal and too much like New Labour for most Tory MPs and members and most Thatcherites backed IDS instead
    True. I was there at the time for that election and that's exactly how it came across.

    Also, and people have forgotten this now, but Portillo was quite unpleasant about people at the time and this was an open secret and depressed his vote amongst MPs.

    It's one of the reasons he took to rehabilitating himself with all the Great Railway Journeys stuff which, to be fair, he did exceptionally well.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,321
    edited January 2

    ydoethur said:

    Oh good grief, Philippa Langley has a new book out, claiming inter alia that Lambert Simnel was Edward V.

    Well, I have to admit it's original. Nonsense on stilts, but original.

    Even allowing for the multiplicity of Edwards about at the time, it's surprising she muddled up Edward V with Edward Earl Of Warwick (whom Lambert Simnel also wasn't, for the record).

    Am now working on new book, proving that the Black Prince was actually Black person of mixed Norman-African heritage.

    Hoping for blockbuster best seller! Thus am angling for a forward by Meghan, Dutchess of Sussex.
    Well, I'd read it. If only for lols.

    I might even read the book too.

    Edit - there genuinely is a book out there trying to prove Queen Charlotte (consort of George III) was African, based on a quick look at one portrait in poor light.
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,587

    Cicero said:

    DavidL said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    eek said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    I’m confused why this is news - all supermarkets have a seasonal aisle that will go Christmas, Easter, summer, back to school, Halloween, Christmas

    And the corner shop has had crème eggs from the day the cash and carry got them in (so early December)
    Tbf I don’t see a reason why creme eggs couldn’t be available year round.
    Because it's sacrilegious! Creme eggs should be eaten at Easter, as it says in the Bible! From Matthew 26:

    And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. And he took a small chocolate egg, and prayed over it, and gave it to them, saying, Taste ye, for it has some sort of sweet, gooey stuff inside. And, lo, it did have some sort of sweet, gooey stuff inside, which made it look a bit like a real egg.
    The question I had occasion to ask on Hogmanay was whether the gluten free alternative being offered in some churches to bread were really still Jesus?
    Protestant churches, yes, I believe so. Catholic, no. Orthodox, no.
    I don't believe Protestants believe in transubstantiation. I don't think the CofE "officially" does but some of its members and priests do.
    It was one of the major themes of the reformation... so by definition Protestants, including the CofE, do not believe in transubstantiation, so the communion wine and wafer are symbols of sacrifice and common believe, rather than a physically changed host.

    Do keep up.
    English are a nation of heathens, and have been for nearly (or is it at least?) two centuries now. As reflected in what passes for theological discourse on PB.

    NOTE that swearing oath explicitly renouncing doctrine of transubstantiation, was requirement for holding office in England:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test_Acts

    The oath for the Test Act 1673 was:

    I, N, do declare that I do believe that there is not any transubstantiation in the sacrament of the Lord's Supper, or in the elements of the bread and wine, at or after the consecration thereof by any person whatsoever.

    Policy of banning avowed transubstantiationists from public life was one of the core doctrines of post-Restoration Tory Party.

    Interestingly, it was opposed and substantially (!) overturned by Sir Robert Peel, founder of Conservative Party.

    Who MAY have been shilling for infamous Yankee Wheat Wafer lobby, in line with his repeal of Corn Laws?
    The doctrine of transubstantiation relies wholly upon Aristotle's understanding of how stuff works. In the 17th century this was coming under severe attack from renewed empiricism. To deny transubstantiation but affirm the genuine presence of Christ in the bread and wine was a metaphysical simplicity then as it is now.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,194
    I think the BBC might get sued for this Tweet...

    https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1742223212962857311
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    OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,134

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Humans are maybe only a decade or two from being able to send out probes with AI pilots, self fuelled and potentially unlimited by time. I predict we WILL do this. It’s just one step up from sending out interplanetary probes (which we’ve done).

    So if we can and will do it others will surely have done it (if others exist) so they “should” be out there

    Maybe you should be slightly more sceptical about AI.
    Interesting story in today's NYT re: recent study (now being peer-reviewed) on affect of ChatGPT on over 750 professional writers, divided into three groups: using AI after instruction; using AI without instruction; not using AI at all.

    Preliminary findings
    > "sharply mixed results in the consultant's work product"
    > "ChatGPT greatly improved the speed and quality of work on a brainstorming [creative] task"
    > "but it led many consultants astray when doing more analytical work"

    When asked to come up with business plan and sales pitch for a new type of shoe; at this "brainstorming" task, "people who simply cut and pasted ChatGPT's output were rated more highly than colleagues who blended its work with their own thoughts".

    "On a task requiring reasoning based on evidence [!], however, ChatGPT was not helpful at all. In this group, volunteers were asked to advise a [hypothetical] corporation . . . [and] interpret data from spreadsheets . . . Here, ChatGPT lulled employees into trusting it too much". Result: those without AI correct (according to evaluation) 85% of the time; those using AI without instruction correct just over 70%; those using AI with instruction = 60% correct.
    So AI is good at regurgitating meaningless BS based on it having access to billions of lines of BS to copy. All this tells us is that the meaningless BS portion of the consultancy business is indeed meaningless BS.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,791
    It's annoying that I can't watch the darts semi-final. It's not on free TV as far as I know.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,515
    DavidL said:

    FF43 said:

    Horrific pictures of the Japan Airlines A350 plane on fire at Haneda Airport after collision with another plane. It looks like the composite structure is the fuel for the flames. Would make me think twice before boarding an A350 or 787 plane soon.

    On the other hand all the passengers and crew got out alive, so maybe it's safer than it looks.

    If you can land on top of another plane, have a consequential fireball and get everyone out alive you have a remarkably safe mode of transport.
    Also, the issue here is that the planes fuel went up. Once that happened, what the plane was made of was immaterial.

    In incidents where the fuel goes up, there is usually little left of the plane in the end - engines and a plane shaped patch of burnt junk. Same for good old aluminium.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,412
    Brace?


    BREAKING: A senior Israeli official told me Israel is preparing for a significant retaliation by Hezbollah for the Arouri assassination including by launching long range missiles on targets in Israel


    https://x.com/barakravid/status/1742243470243180916?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,610
    dixiedean said:

    BYD has outsold Tesla in EV's in 2023.
    No. Me neither.

    China innit.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,654
    It's all going South.

    I see that Jason Zadrozny is on trial at Northampton Crown Court on Monday, February 24, 2025. Cllr Zadrozny. Trial to last 4 weeks.

    Does that mean he might stand at the next Election ??? His Ashfield Independent Party have 32 out of 33 District seats, and all of the County ones.

    I missed the newspaper report. I enjoyed this bit in the report:

    The council leader appeared remotely at Northampton Crown Court on Wednesday (November 15), speaking only to confirm his name and the pronunciation of it.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,610
    tlg86 said:

    I think the BBC might get sued for this Tweet...

    https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1742223212962857311

    It's extremely irresponsible. The verdict hasn't been reached and putting quotes around the word without any framing of "accused" or "allegedly" or "says prosecution barrister" passed judgement and assumes guilt before the jury has made its decision.

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    sladeslade Posts: 1,933
    ydoethur said:

    Oh good grief, Philippa Langley has a new book out, claiming inter alia that Lambert Simnel was Edward V.

    Well, I have to admit it's original. Nonsense on stilts, but original.

    Even allowing for the multiplicity of Edwards about at the time, it's surprising she muddled up Edward V with Edward Earl Of Warwick (whom Lambert Simnel also wasn't, for the record).

    Have you read Matt Lewis, The Survival of the Princes in The Tower?
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,724
    dixiedean said:

    BYD has outsold Tesla in EV's in 2023.
    No. Me neither.

    BYD has some small cheap EVs which Tesla currently lacks.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,654

    Sean_F said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is probably just clickbait, but worth noting:

    https://twitter.com/politvidchannel/status/1741161192155226539

    On the other hand they might just throw SCOTUS impartiality to the wind and back Trump. Clarence Thomas will be off rations for eternity if he doesn't back Trump.

    (1.76 pints of mind bleach are enclosed with this post).
    The billionaires who have been kindly supporting Thomas in minor ways that needn't trouble any declaration of interests forms may one day realise that Trump does more harm to them than good.
    Indeed. The supreme Court has a chance to undo Trump in a way which the Republican Party otherwise cannot. And as good Republicans, they can see this as their chance to restore balance. Whilst blaming Trump's own hubris for supporting insurrection...

    Is my theory.
    Mine too, Mark.

    Posters on this site have, in my opinion, a tendency to underestimate the seriousness with which high-ranking judges take their responsibilities. Some of them even believe in justice.

    I'm going for 6-2 against Trump, with that evil gobshite Thomas recusing himself.
    In which case, though ?

    I would agree with you in expecting them to throw out his absurdly broad claims of Presidential immunity (and double jeopardy) regarding the Jan 6 charges (which if allowed would literally allow incumbent presidents to murder their opponents, and face no remedy except for impeachment).

    How they rule on the Colorado (and Maine) decision is more problematic, though. Even if they act as justices, rather than politicians sitting on the bench, there's no straightforward ruling which won't cause further problems.
    Such as with SCOTUS's previous ruling in "Bush v Gore".

    Where, for example, alleged "obiter dicta" is actually/effectively law of the land.

    Certainly have heard it quoted as such on numerous occasions, by Republicans.
    I posted this link on the last thread, which gives a decent overview of the options open to the SC on the Colorado case.
    https://thehill.com/opinion/4380182-betting-the-odds-on-trumps-supreme-court-case/

    Even if there were nine entirely incorruptible liberals on the court, it would not be an easy case to decide, since they are effectively being asked to define the hitherto undefined boundaries of a law.

    While the 14th amendment is incontrovertibly the law of the land, the clause in question has been so little used that there is significant uncertainty about what exactly it means for any given case.
    It seems to me that at least five of the Justices will give Trump the benefit of the doubt.

    They could rule that the question - whether Trump is guilty of insurrection - is a question of fact, to be determined by a jury in criminal proceedings - and until that happens, he’s eligible to run.
    Whilst that could be the outcome, there are a few glaring problems.

    Firstly, the 14th Amendment doesn't refer to conviction, even though the term is used elsewhere in the Constitution. The reality is the wording doesn't really support the need for a conviction if you want to read it literally. That's problematic for a conservative justice, as reading it literally is what conservatives do. They'd probably get comfortable with it ultimately, but may not - the Trump appointed justices plus Roberts are conservatives who do genuinely worry about this stuff.

    Secondly, it begs an enormous question. What offence would Trump need to be convicted of to bar him from office? Because the SCOTUS know exactly what the charges are - so are any of them disqualifying?

    Thirdly, it kicks the can recklessly down the road. Fine, it gets them through the primaries. But what if a conviction comes in October, or next February? It's all much uglier than either saying he's eligible now, or even saying he's not. All hell would break loose if he was declared ineligible now, but as nothing compared to if he was in the White House.

    That the Amendment is self-enforcing is not a surprise I think; it was framed to exclude Confederate Officials (quite reasonably). I'd say it's an open and shut case that Trump committed insurrection.

    I'd put the crucial question as to whether 'Originalists' want to create (200 years later) a new set of criteria for application die to different circumstances. Trump did not quite get to create his civil war.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,654
    MattW said:

    It's all going South.

    I see that Jason Zadrozny is on trial at Northampton Crown Court on Monday, February 24, 2025. Cllr Zadrozny. Trial to last 4 weeks.

    Does that mean he might stand at the next Election ??? His Ashfield Independent Party have 32 out of 33 District seats, and all of the County ones.

    I missed the newspaper report. I enjoyed this bit in the report:

    The council leader appeared remotely at Northampton Crown Court on Wednesday (November 15), speaking only to confirm his name and the pronunciation of it.

    Link:
    https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/local-news/trial-ashfield-district-council-leader-8909098
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,587
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,136
    tlg86 said:

    I think the BBC might get sued for this Tweet...

    https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1742223212962857311

    So probably unwise to repeat it....
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,321
    slade said:

    ydoethur said:

    Oh good grief, Philippa Langley has a new book out, claiming inter alia that Lambert Simnel was Edward V.

    Well, I have to admit it's original. Nonsense on stilts, but original.

    Even allowing for the multiplicity of Edwards about at the time, it's surprising she muddled up Edward V with Edward Earl Of Warwick (whom Lambert Simnel also wasn't, for the record).

    Have you read Matt Lewis, The Survival of the Princes in The Tower?
    No, and if it's anything like the one book of his on the period I have read, I'm not missing much.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,660
    tlg86 said:

    I think the BBC might get sued for this Tweet...

    https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1742223212962857311

    I would sue the BBC if they claimed that I was a Mackem.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,457
    Andy_JS said:

    It's annoying that I can't watch the darts semi-final. It's not on free TV as far as I know.

    I've just looked up Luke Littler.

    Nice guy and all the best to him and I really struggle to belief he's 16; he looks more like a slightly overweight 36 year old, who's been knocking back the pints at his local for years, with not particularly good teeth.

    What's his diet like?
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,796
    Leon said:

    Brace?


    BREAKING: A senior Israeli official told me Israel is preparing for a significant retaliation by Hezbollah for the Arouri assassination including by launching long range missiles on targets in Israel


    https://x.com/barakravid/status/1742243470243180916?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    For Hezbollah and their ilk I imagine that there's a debate in the senior ranks as to any action that could damage the bank balances of the people in the senior ranks.
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,622
    algarkirk said:

    Cicero said:

    DavidL said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    eek said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    I’m confused why this is news - all supermarkets have a seasonal aisle that will go Christmas, Easter, summer, back to school, Halloween, Christmas

    And the corner shop has had crème eggs from the day the cash and carry got them in (so early December)
    Tbf I don’t see a reason why creme eggs couldn’t be available year round.
    Because it's sacrilegious! Creme eggs should be eaten at Easter, as it says in the Bible! From Matthew 26:

    And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. And he took a small chocolate egg, and prayed over it, and gave it to them, saying, Taste ye, for it has some sort of sweet, gooey stuff inside. And, lo, it did have some sort of sweet, gooey stuff inside, which made it look a bit like a real egg.
    The question I had occasion to ask on Hogmanay was whether the gluten free alternative being offered in some churches to bread were really still Jesus?
    Protestant churches, yes, I believe so. Catholic, no. Orthodox, no.
    I don't believe Protestants believe in transubstantiation. I don't think the CofE "officially" does but some of its members and priests do.
    It was one of the major themes of the reformation... so by definition Protestants, including the CofE, do not believe in transubstantiation, so the communion wine and wafer are symbols of sacrifice and common believe, rather than a physically changed host.

    Do keep up.
    English are a nation of heathens, and have been for nearly (or is it at least?) two centuries now. As reflected in what passes for theological discourse on PB.

    NOTE that swearing oath explicitly renouncing doctrine of transubstantiation, was requirement for holding office in England:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test_Acts

    The oath for the Test Act 1673 was:

    I, N, do declare that I do believe that there is not any transubstantiation in the sacrament of the Lord's Supper, or in the elements of the bread and wine, at or after the consecration thereof by any person whatsoever.

    Policy of banning avowed transubstantiationists from public life was one of the core doctrines of post-Restoration Tory Party.

    Interestingly, it was opposed and substantially (!) overturned by Sir Robert Peel, founder of Conservative Party.

    Who MAY have been shilling for infamous Yankee Wheat Wafer lobby, in line with his repeal of Corn Laws?
    The doctrine of transubstantiation relies wholly upon Aristotle's understanding of how stuff works. In the 17th century this was coming under severe attack from renewed empiricism. To deny transubstantiation but affirm the genuine presence of Christ in the bread and wine was a metaphysical simplicity then as it is now.
    As much of a "metaphysical simplicity" as, say, Boris Johnson's conception of the Anglo-Irish border?
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,136
    MattW said:

    Sean_F said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is probably just clickbait, but worth noting:

    https://twitter.com/politvidchannel/status/1741161192155226539

    On the other hand they might just throw SCOTUS impartiality to the wind and back Trump. Clarence Thomas will be off rations for eternity if he doesn't back Trump.

    (1.76 pints of mind bleach are enclosed with this post).
    The billionaires who have been kindly supporting Thomas in minor ways that needn't trouble any declaration of interests forms may one day realise that Trump does more harm to them than good.
    Indeed. The supreme Court has a chance to undo Trump in a way which the Republican Party otherwise cannot. And as good Republicans, they can see this as their chance to restore balance. Whilst blaming Trump's own hubris for supporting insurrection...

    Is my theory.
    Mine too, Mark.

    Posters on this site have, in my opinion, a tendency to underestimate the seriousness with which high-ranking judges take their responsibilities. Some of them even believe in justice.

    I'm going for 6-2 against Trump, with that evil gobshite Thomas recusing himself.
    In which case, though ?

    I would agree with you in expecting them to throw out his absurdly broad claims of Presidential immunity (and double jeopardy) regarding the Jan 6 charges (which if allowed would literally allow incumbent presidents to murder their opponents, and face no remedy except for impeachment).

    How they rule on the Colorado (and Maine) decision is more problematic, though. Even if they act as justices, rather than politicians sitting on the bench, there's no straightforward ruling which won't cause further problems.
    Such as with SCOTUS's previous ruling in "Bush v Gore".

    Where, for example, alleged "obiter dicta" is actually/effectively law of the land.

    Certainly have heard it quoted as such on numerous occasions, by Republicans.
    I posted this link on the last thread, which gives a decent overview of the options open to the SC on the Colorado case.
    https://thehill.com/opinion/4380182-betting-the-odds-on-trumps-supreme-court-case/

    Even if there were nine entirely incorruptible liberals on the court, it would not be an easy case to decide, since they are effectively being asked to define the hitherto undefined boundaries of a law.

    While the 14th amendment is incontrovertibly the law of the land, the clause in question has been so little used that there is significant uncertainty about what exactly it means for any given case.
    It seems to me that at least five of the Justices will give Trump the benefit of the doubt.

    They could rule that the question - whether Trump is guilty of insurrection - is a question of fact, to be determined by a jury in criminal proceedings - and until that happens, he’s eligible to run.
    Whilst that could be the outcome, there are a few glaring problems.

    Firstly, the 14th Amendment doesn't refer to conviction, even though the term is used elsewhere in the Constitution. The reality is the wording doesn't really support the need for a conviction if you want to read it literally. That's problematic for a conservative justice, as reading it literally is what conservatives do. They'd probably get comfortable with it ultimately, but may not - the Trump appointed justices plus Roberts are conservatives who do genuinely worry about this stuff.

    Secondly, it begs an enormous question. What offence would Trump need to be convicted of to bar him from office? Because the SCOTUS know exactly what the charges are - so are any of them disqualifying?

    Thirdly, it kicks the can recklessly down the road. Fine, it gets them through the primaries. But what if a conviction comes in October, or next February? It's all much uglier than either saying he's eligible now, or even saying he's not. All hell would break loose if he was declared ineligible now, but as nothing compared to if he was in the White House.

    Trump did not quite get to create his civil war.
    He tried.

    And so, he should be tried.
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,622

    tlg86 said:

    I think the BBC might get sued for this Tweet...

    https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1742223212962857311

    So probably unwise to repeat it....
    Even if they are (perhaps) quoting statement made in open court?
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,272
    edited January 2
    BBC News editorial states the legacy asylum backlog is cleared. BBC Verify say it is not.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,310
    Andy_JS said:

    It's annoying that I can't watch the darts semi-final. It's not on free TV as far as I know.

    You can watch the BDO World Darts Championship on the BBC. The likes of Wolfie Adams etc. It has its own charm.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,136

    tlg86 said:

    I think the BBC might get sued for this Tweet...

    https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1742223212962857311

    So probably unwise to repeat it....
    Even if they are (perhaps) quoting statement made in open court?
    It is not clear that they are.

    So yes, unwise to repeat it.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,364
    edited January 2

    ydoethur said:

    Oh good grief, Philippa Langley has a new book out, claiming inter alia that Lambert Simnel was Edward V.

    Well, I have to admit it's original. Nonsense on stilts, but original.

    Even allowing for the multiplicity of Edwards about at the time, it's surprising she muddled up Edward V with Edward Earl Of Warwick (whom Lambert Simnel also wasn't, for the record).

    Am now working on new book, proving that the Black Prince was actually Black person of mixed Norman-African heritage.

    Hoping for blockbuster best seller! Thus am angling for a forward by Meghan, Dutchess of Sussex.
    Well, why else was he called da Black Prince? :lol:
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,324
    tlg86 said:

    I think the BBC might get sued for this Tweet...

    https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1742223212962857311

    Gone!
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,136

    Andy_JS said:

    It's annoying that I can't watch the darts semi-final. It's not on free TV as far as I know.

    I've just looked up Luke Littler.

    Nice guy and all the best to him and I really struggle to belief he's 16; he looks more like a slightly overweight 36 year old, who's been knocking back the pints at his local for years, with not particularly good teeth.

    What's his diet like?
    Oysters and caviar. Washed down with ten pints of bitter.

    Probably.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,796

    MattW said:

    Sean_F said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is probably just clickbait, but worth noting:

    https://twitter.com/politvidchannel/status/1741161192155226539

    On the other hand they might just throw SCOTUS impartiality to the wind and back Trump. Clarence Thomas will be off rations for eternity if he doesn't back Trump.

    (1.76 pints of mind bleach are enclosed with this post).
    The billionaires who have been kindly supporting Thomas in minor ways that needn't trouble any declaration of interests forms may one day realise that Trump does more harm to them than good.
    Indeed. The supreme Court has a chance to undo Trump in a way which the Republican Party otherwise cannot. And as good Republicans, they can see this as their chance to restore balance. Whilst blaming Trump's own hubris for supporting insurrection...

    Is my theory.
    Mine too, Mark.

    Posters on this site have, in my opinion, a tendency to underestimate the seriousness with which high-ranking judges take their responsibilities. Some of them even believe in justice.

    I'm going for 6-2 against Trump, with that evil gobshite Thomas recusing himself.
    In which case, though ?

    I would agree with you in expecting them to throw out his absurdly broad claims of Presidential immunity (and double jeopardy) regarding the Jan 6 charges (which if allowed would literally allow incumbent presidents to murder their opponents, and face no remedy except for impeachment).

    How they rule on the Colorado (and Maine) decision is more problematic, though. Even if they act as justices, rather than politicians sitting on the bench, there's no straightforward ruling which won't cause further problems.
    Such as with SCOTUS's previous ruling in "Bush v Gore".

    Where, for example, alleged "obiter dicta" is actually/effectively law of the land.

    Certainly have heard it quoted as such on numerous occasions, by Republicans.
    I posted this link on the last thread, which gives a decent overview of the options open to the SC on the Colorado case.
    https://thehill.com/opinion/4380182-betting-the-odds-on-trumps-supreme-court-case/

    Even if there were nine entirely incorruptible liberals on the court, it would not be an easy case to decide, since they are effectively being asked to define the hitherto undefined boundaries of a law.

    While the 14th amendment is incontrovertibly the law of the land, the clause in question has been so little used that there is significant uncertainty about what exactly it means for any given case.
    It seems to me that at least five of the Justices will give Trump the benefit of the doubt.

    They could rule that the question - whether Trump is guilty of insurrection - is a question of fact, to be determined by a jury in criminal proceedings - and until that happens, he’s eligible to run.
    Whilst that could be the outcome, there are a few glaring problems.

    Firstly, the 14th Amendment doesn't refer to conviction, even though the term is used elsewhere in the Constitution. The reality is the wording doesn't really support the need for a conviction if you want to read it literally. That's problematic for a conservative justice, as reading it literally is what conservatives do. They'd probably get comfortable with it ultimately, but may not - the Trump appointed justices plus Roberts are conservatives who do genuinely worry about this stuff.

    Secondly, it begs an enormous question. What offence would Trump need to be convicted of to bar him from office? Because the SCOTUS know exactly what the charges are - so are any of them disqualifying?

    Thirdly, it kicks the can recklessly down the road. Fine, it gets them through the primaries. But what if a conviction comes in October, or next February? It's all much uglier than either saying he's eligible now, or even saying he's not. All hell would break loose if he was declared ineligible now, but as nothing compared to if he was in the White House.

    Trump did not quite get to create his civil war.
    He tried.

    And so, he should be tried.
    He's definitely guilty of trying.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,364
    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    UPDATE: Explosion in Beirut, Lebanon kills Hamas leader Saleh Arouri


    https://x.com/joyce_karam/status/1742227311347298555?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Israel did it

    If the war is going to widen, it could be now (let’s hope it doesn’t)

    That second explosion you heard was Hezbollah reacting.
    If Hezbollah don’t react to this - a direct Israeli drone strike on Beirut, taking out a top Hamas leader - then they are never gonna react to anything

    “All gong and no dinner”, as they say
    Remember the speech back in November when the Hezbollah dude droned on and on and on... and didn't do anything.
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    Omnium said:

    MattW said:

    Sean_F said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is probably just clickbait, but worth noting:

    https://twitter.com/politvidchannel/status/1741161192155226539

    On the other hand they might just throw SCOTUS impartiality to the wind and back Trump. Clarence Thomas will be off rations for eternity if he doesn't back Trump.

    (1.76 pints of mind bleach are enclosed with this post).
    The billionaires who have been kindly supporting Thomas in minor ways that needn't trouble any declaration of interests forms may one day realise that Trump does more harm to them than good.
    Indeed. The supreme Court has a chance to undo Trump in a way which the Republican Party otherwise cannot. And as good Republicans, they can see this as their chance to restore balance. Whilst blaming Trump's own hubris for supporting insurrection...

    Is my theory.
    Mine too, Mark.

    Posters on this site have, in my opinion, a tendency to underestimate the seriousness with which high-ranking judges take their responsibilities. Some of them even believe in justice.

    I'm going for 6-2 against Trump, with that evil gobshite Thomas recusing himself.
    In which case, though ?

    I would agree with you in expecting them to throw out his absurdly broad claims of Presidential immunity (and double jeopardy) regarding the Jan 6 charges (which if allowed would literally allow incumbent presidents to murder their opponents, and face no remedy except for impeachment).

    How they rule on the Colorado (and Maine) decision is more problematic, though. Even if they act as justices, rather than politicians sitting on the bench, there's no straightforward ruling which won't cause further problems.
    Such as with SCOTUS's previous ruling in "Bush v Gore".

    Where, for example, alleged "obiter dicta" is actually/effectively law of the land.

    Certainly have heard it quoted as such on numerous occasions, by Republicans.
    I posted this link on the last thread, which gives a decent overview of the options open to the SC on the Colorado case.
    https://thehill.com/opinion/4380182-betting-the-odds-on-trumps-supreme-court-case/

    Even if there were nine entirely incorruptible liberals on the court, it would not be an easy case to decide, since they are effectively being asked to define the hitherto undefined boundaries of a law.

    While the 14th amendment is incontrovertibly the law of the land, the clause in question has been so little used that there is significant uncertainty about what exactly it means for any given case.
    It seems to me that at least five of the Justices will give Trump the benefit of the doubt.

    They could rule that the question - whether Trump is guilty of insurrection - is a question of fact, to be determined by a jury in criminal proceedings - and until that happens, he’s eligible to run.
    Whilst that could be the outcome, there are a few glaring problems.

    Firstly, the 14th Amendment doesn't refer to conviction, even though the term is used elsewhere in the Constitution. The reality is the wording doesn't really support the need for a conviction if you want to read it literally. That's problematic for a conservative justice, as reading it literally is what conservatives do. They'd probably get comfortable with it ultimately, but may not - the Trump appointed justices plus Roberts are conservatives who do genuinely worry about this stuff.

    Secondly, it begs an enormous question. What offence would Trump need to be convicted of to bar him from office? Because the SCOTUS know exactly what the charges are - so are any of them disqualifying?

    Thirdly, it kicks the can recklessly down the road. Fine, it gets them through the primaries. But what if a conviction comes in October, or next February? It's all much uglier than either saying he's eligible now, or even saying he's not. All hell would break loose if he was declared ineligible now, but as nothing compared to if he was in the White House.

    Trump did not quite get to create his civil war.
    He tried.

    And so, he should be tried.
    He's definitely guilty of trying.
    He's very trying.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,364

    Andy_JS said:

    It's annoying that I can't watch the darts semi-final. It's not on free TV as far as I know.

    I've just looked up Luke Littler.

    Nice guy and all the best to him and I really struggle to belief he's 16; he looks more like a slightly overweight 36 year old, who's been knocking back the pints at his local for years, with not particularly good teeth.

    What's his diet like?
    Mum thinks Littler looks like he's the wrong side of 40 :lol:
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,324
    HYUFD said:

    TimS said:

    spudgfsh said:

    Question for you all. Given that this general election is going to be bad for the Tories regardless as to what they do, do we have any opinions as to who is going to be the 'Portillo moment'?

    A couple of suggestions (based on 1997 results in the constituencies):

    James Cleverly
    Penny Morduant
    Jacob Rees-Mogg

    A fascinating hatrick. But who would open all the new food banks in Portsmouth North?
    The one of those who would be a Portillo is JRM. The Portillo moment has to be a party bigwig, widely disliked (before repairing their reputation later with interesting TV programmes about trains), and long enough established that their going is iconic.

    JRM all the way. The only others I can think of who’d have similar impact would be Patel, Braverman or Raab before he announced he was stepping down.

    There will of course be a number of Lee Anderson moments as some of the smallest majorities are with the new thug tendency.
    Careful what you wish for.

    The other thing about the Portillo moment was that it was kind of the making of him. He responded in a surprisingly classy way, which belied his reputation as a right wing Bovver Boy.

    JRM can do civil words. It's the sentences that form and the actions they describe that are ghastly.

    Assuming he loses, the Conservatives will be better off without him. Just beware his reinvention doing a remake of Donald Sinden's Discovering English Churches.
    It wasn't really the making of Portillo, though. One can't feel sorry for him - he's had a thoroughly nice and interesting life. But his dream was to be PM, not to serve time in some middling cabinet posts in a fag end Tory government, followed by making some amiable travel programmes like the bastard child of John Selwyn Gummer and Judith Chalmers.

    You're right that he (and JRM would be similar) have enough about them to shake their opponent warmly by the hand, thank the returning officer, their campaign team, and their constituents for the honour of having been their MP. They aren't stupid enough to rant and rave like Mellor, storm off the stage like that tit in Tamworth, or blame their opponent and the dumb punters like the Chesham guy. But failure is failure.

    In retrospect Portillo should have stood against Major in 1995 if he really wanted to be PM. Thatcher would have likely come out for him and he would have had a much better chance of winning a majority of Tory MPs then than Redwood did.

    By the time his chance to be Tory leader came again in 2001 after he had been elected for the then still True Blue Kensington and Chelsea seat in the 1999 parliamentary by election there, he was far too much of a woolly, social liberal and too much like New Labour for most Tory MPs and members and most Thatcherites backed IDS instead
    It should reassure our faith in human nature that not everyone has to turn into Victor Meldrew as they age, and that the path rightwards isn’t inexorable or inevitable.

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    HeathenerHeathener Posts: 5,302

    Heathener said:

    Re @Benpointer quiz my responses are as follows

    1 10%
    2 24th October 2024
    3 Sunak, Starmer, Davey, Yousaf, Tice
    4 Labour +65
    5 Trump and Biden
    6 Biden
    7 4.00%
    8 3.25%
    9 96 billion
    10 62

    Big G great to see you. I was asking after you this morning and heard that things have been rough. I hope you are as okay as possible.
    Thank you @Heathener and a happy new year to you and your family

    On the Wednesday after Christmas my cardiologist phoned in the evening to say I needed an urgent pacemaker operation and to stop driving

    He said he would do it within 4 weeks so hopefully he will as I do feel very much under the weather

    Strangely my 85 year old wife's cousin has his 30 year old pacemaker changed in October and my brother in law had one fitted four weeks ago
    Gosh @Big_G_NorthWales that’s horrible and I’m so sorry. I really hope you get the pacemaker fitted soon now and that you see a quick improvement in how you feel. I believe the results can be dramatic.

    I hope you can take it as easy as possible in the meantime and fingers are crossed that you feel transformatively better soon.

    x
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,622

    ydoethur said:

    Oh good grief, Philippa Langley has a new book out, claiming inter alia that Lambert Simnel was Edward V.

    Well, I have to admit it's original. Nonsense on stilts, but original.

    Even allowing for the multiplicity of Edwards about at the time, it's surprising she muddled up Edward V with Edward Earl Of Warwick (whom Lambert Simnel also wasn't, for the record).

    Am now working on new book, proving that the Black Prince was actually Black person of mixed Norman-African heritage.

    Hoping for blockbuster best seller! Thus am angling for a forward by Meghan, Dutchess of Sussex.
    Well, why else was he called da Black Prince? :lol:
    Yo! I'm a Prince and I'm Black, can you relate?
    How dope is that, for a Plantagenet!
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,622

    tlg86 said:

    I think the BBC might get sued for this Tweet...

    https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1742223212962857311

    So probably unwise to repeat it....
    Even if they are (perhaps) quoting statement made in open court?
    It is not clear that they are.

    So yes, unwise to repeat it.
    Appears so, as BBC has (apparently) removed it.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,796

    I resigned from my job today. Time to move onto what's next.

    It's so disappointing that the World Emperor roles seem to dry up just as you're free.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,194
    Andy_JS said:

    It's annoying that I can't watch the darts semi-final. It's not on free TV as far as I know.

    You can buy a Now TV pass for £12

    https://www.nowtv.com/
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,062

    I resigned from my job today. Time to move onto what's next.

    Good luck with the job hunting
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    jamesdoylejamesdoyle Posts: 647
    We'll never know definitively whether Richard killed, or gave orders for the killling of, the Princes: but given he'd lived through the hellish anarchy and bloody chaos caused by the reign of a boy king (Henry VI), my feeling is that if I'd been Richard, I would have got them out of the way as quickly as possible.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,062

    Andy_JS said:

    It's annoying that I can't watch the darts semi-final. It's not on free TV as far as I know.

    I've just looked up Luke Littler.

    Nice guy and all the best to him and I really struggle to belief he's 16; he looks more like a slightly overweight 36 year old, who's been knocking back the pints at his local for years, with not particularly good teeth.

    What's his diet like?
    Oysters and caviar. Washed down with ten pints of bitter.

    Probably.
    You would certainly not take him for a 16 year old.
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    jamesdoylejamesdoyle Posts: 647

    Andy_JS said:

    It's annoying that I can't watch the darts semi-final. It's not on free TV as far as I know.

    I've just looked up Luke Littler.

    Nice guy and all the best to him and I really struggle to belief he's 16; he looks more like a slightly overweight 36 year old, who's been knocking back the pints at his local for years, with not particularly good teeth.

    What's his diet like?
    Mum thinks Littler looks like he's the wrong side of 40 :lol:
    I'm 59, and I look younger than him.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,344
    Heathener said:

    Heathener said:

    Re @Benpointer quiz my responses are as follows

    1 10%
    2 24th October 2024
    3 Sunak, Starmer, Davey, Yousaf, Tice
    4 Labour +65
    5 Trump and Biden
    6 Biden
    7 4.00%
    8 3.25%
    9 96 billion
    10 62

    Big G great to see you. I was asking after you this morning and heard that things have been rough. I hope you are as okay as possible.
    Thank you @Heathener and a happy new year to you and your family

    On the Wednesday after Christmas my cardiologist phoned in the evening to say I needed an urgent pacemaker operation and to stop driving

    He said he would do it within 4 weeks so hopefully he will as I do feel very much under the weather

    Strangely my 85 year old wife's cousin has his 30 year old pacemaker changed in October and my brother in law had one fitted four weeks ago
    Gosh @Big_G_NorthWales that’s horrible and I’m so sorry. I really hope you get the pacemaker fitted soon now and that you see a quick improvement in how you feel. I believe the results can be dramatic.

    I hope you can take it as easy as possible in the meantime and fingers are crossed that you feel transformatively better soon.

    x
    Thank you

    My brother in law told my wife he went for a good walk today just 4 weeks from his operation

    He also got his OK to drive from his doctor and the DVLA a week after his operation

    It's strange I have part exchanged my car for a smaller one, which will also help my wife to drive again after a period away from driving, whilst not being able to drive
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    FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,014

    I resigned from my job today. Time to move onto what's next.

    Best of luck for the future, @AverageNinja. Hope you get a job you thoroughly enjoy!
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    isamisam Posts: 40,960
    edited January 2

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,960

    Heathener said:

    Re @Benpointer quiz my responses are as follows

    1 10%
    2 24th October 2024
    3 Sunak, Starmer, Davey, Yousaf, Tice
    4 Labour +65
    5 Trump and Biden
    6 Biden
    7 4.00%
    8 3.25%
    9 96 billion
    10 62

    Big G great to see you. I was asking after you this morning and heard that things have been rough. I hope you are as okay as possible.
    Thank you @Heathener and a happy new year to you and your family

    On the Wednesday after Christmas my cardiologist phoned in the evening to say I needed an urgent pacemaker operation and to stop driving

    He said he would do it within 4 weeks so hopefully he will as I do feel very much under the weather

    Strangely my 85 year old wife's cousin has his 30 year old pacemaker changed in October and my brother in law had one fitted four weeks ago
    All you need now is Gerry Marsden and away you go
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,457

    Andy_JS said:

    It's annoying that I can't watch the darts semi-final. It's not on free TV as far as I know.

    I've just looked up Luke Littler.

    Nice guy and all the best to him and I really struggle to belief he's 16; he looks more like a slightly overweight 36 year old, who's been knocking back the pints at his local for years, with not particularly good teeth.

    What's his diet like?
    Mum thinks Littler looks like he's the wrong side of 40 :lol:
    I know, right?

    I genuinely don't want to be unkind - and he's a great British sporting hero right now - and it's not a brilliant sign if he's looking like that whilst still finishing his GCSEs.

    Hope he gets on top of it. Lots of celebs have.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,457

    I resigned from my job today. Time to move onto what's next.

    Good for you.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,515
    Omnium said:

    I resigned from my job today. Time to move onto what's next.

    It's so disappointing that the World Emperor roles seem to dry up just as you're free.
    God Emperor, Shirley?
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    isamisam Posts: 40,960
    malcolmg said:

    Andy_JS said:

    It's annoying that I can't watch the darts semi-final. It's not on free TV as far as I know.

    I've just looked up Luke Littler.

    Nice guy and all the best to him and I really struggle to belief he's 16; he looks more like a slightly overweight 36 year old, who's been knocking back the pints at his local for years, with not particularly good teeth.

    What's his diet like?
    Oysters and caviar. Washed down with ten pints of bitter.

    Probably.
    You would certainly not take him for a 16 year old.
    Quite unusual for a 16 yr old boy to have a 21 yr old girlfriend, or least it was in my day.


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    isamisam Posts: 40,960

    Andy_JS said:

    It's annoying that I can't watch the darts semi-final. It's not on free TV as far as I know.

    I've just looked up Luke Littler.

    Nice guy and all the best to him and I really struggle to belief he's 16; he looks more like a slightly overweight 36 year old, who's been knocking back the pints at his local for years, with not particularly good teeth.

    What's his diet like?
    Mum thinks Littler looks like he's the wrong side of 40 :lol:
    I know, right?

    I genuinely don't want to be unkind - and he's a great British sporting hero right now - and it's not a brilliant sign if he's looking like that whilst still finishing his GCSEs.

    Hope he gets on top of it. Lots of celebs have.
    Decent beard for a 16 yr old. Better than I can manage now!
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,515
    isam said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
    Moaning about Christmas stuff being on sale earlier and earlier is traditional.

    There probably graffiti about that at Pompeii.
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    TimSTimS Posts: 9,707
    Someone at the i has been reading PB today.

    https://x.com/wallaceme/status/1742239433582129243?s=46
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    TimSTimS Posts: 9,707
    isam said:

    malcolmg said:

    Andy_JS said:

    It's annoying that I can't watch the darts semi-final. It's not on free TV as far as I know.

    I've just looked up Luke Littler.

    Nice guy and all the best to him and I really struggle to belief he's 16; he looks more like a slightly overweight 36 year old, who's been knocking back the pints at his local for years, with not particularly good teeth.

    What's his diet like?
    Oysters and caviar. Washed down with ten pints of bitter.

    Probably.
    You would certainly not take him for a 16 year old.
    Quite unusual for a 16 yr old boy to have a 21 yr old girlfriend, or least it was in my day.


    I had a 23 year old girlfriend when I was 17, does that count?
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    isamisam Posts: 40,960

    isam said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
    Moaning about Christmas stuff being on sale earlier and earlier is traditional.

    There probably graffiti about that at Pompeii.
    Yes, the political correctness gone mad/woke angle is lack of religious narrative on the eggs, not when they go on sale

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1417088/easter-egg-chocolate-easter-news-political-correctness-allyson-stewart-allen

    We’ve crossed the line now where people defending ‘woke’ are caricatures of the Daily Express readers they think they’re mocking
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,502

    Ghedebrav said:

    eek said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    I’m confused why this is news - all supermarkets have a seasonal aisle that will go Christmas, Easter, summer, back to school, Halloween, Christmas

    And the corner shop has had crème eggs from the day the cash and carry got them in (so early December)
    Tbf I don’t see a reason why creme eggs couldn’t be available year round.
    Because it's sacrilegious! Creme eggs should be eaten at Easter, as it says in the Bible! From Matthew 26:

    And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. And he took a small chocolate egg, and prayed over it, and gave it to them, saying, Taste ye, for it has some sort of sweet, gooey stuff inside. And, lo, it did have some sort of sweet, gooey stuff inside, which made it look a bit like a real egg.
    Must be the NIV.
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,622
    isam said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
    Around turn of 20th>21st century, GOP (apparently) did extensive testing (allegedly) and (obviously) came to conclusion, that "War on Easter" did NOT have the political/electoral oomph of "War on Christmas".

    Which is why Obama (reputedly) hated Santa Claus but NOT the Easter Bunny.
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    TimSTimS Posts: 9,707

    isam said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
    Moaning about Christmas stuff being on sale earlier and earlier is traditional.

    There probably graffiti about that at Pompeii.
    The woke terroir is expanding though. Things Tory MPs don’t like are fast becoming woke even if they have nothing to do with woke.

    I think we need a proper Appelation Contrôlée system for woke. Easter eggs for example, only woke Easter eggs if they come from the woke region of [some American university campus].
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,321

    isam said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
    Around turn of 20th>21st century, GOP (apparently) did extensive testing (allegedly) and (obviously) came to conclusion, that "War on Easter" did NOT have the political/electoral oomph of "War on Christmas".

    Which is why Obama (reputedly) hated Santa Claus but NOT the Easter Bunny.
    Well, he had a tendency to rabbit on.
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    TimSTimS Posts: 9,707
    edited January 2
    isam said:


    isam said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
    Moaning about Christmas stuff being on sale earlier and earlier is traditional.

    There probably graffiti about that at Pompeii.
    Yes, the political correctness gone mad/woke angle is lack of religious narrative on the eggs, not when they go on sale

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1417088/easter-egg-chocolate-easter-news-political-correctness-allyson-stewart-allen

    We’ve crossed the line now where people defending ‘woke’ are caricatures of the Daily Express readers they think they’re mocking
    Remember how builders talking about their feelings made them ”woke builders”? That wasn’t people defending woke, it was the surely-never-a-self-caricature Daily Mail.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,960
    TimS said:

    isam said:

    malcolmg said:

    Andy_JS said:

    It's annoying that I can't watch the darts semi-final. It's not on free TV as far as I know.

    I've just looked up Luke Littler.

    Nice guy and all the best to him and I really struggle to belief he's 16; he looks more like a slightly overweight 36 year old, who's been knocking back the pints at his local for years, with not particularly good teeth.

    What's his diet like?
    Oysters and caviar. Washed down with ten pints of bitter.

    Probably.
    You would certainly not take him for a 16 year old.
    Quite unusual for a 16 yr old boy to have a 21 yr old girlfriend, or least it was in my day.


    I had a 23 year old girlfriend when I was 17, does that count?
    Quite unusual I think, not that unusual means it’s wrong
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,321
    isam said:

    TimS said:

    isam said:

    malcolmg said:

    Andy_JS said:

    It's annoying that I can't watch the darts semi-final. It's not on free TV as far as I know.

    I've just looked up Luke Littler.

    Nice guy and all the best to him and I really struggle to belief he's 16; he looks more like a slightly overweight 36 year old, who's been knocking back the pints at his local for years, with not particularly good teeth.

    What's his diet like?
    Oysters and caviar. Washed down with ten pints of bitter.

    Probably.
    You would certainly not take him for a 16 year old.
    Quite unusual for a 16 yr old boy to have a 21 yr old girlfriend, or least it was in my day.


    I had a 23 year old girlfriend when I was 17, does that count?
    Quite unusual I think, not that unusual means it’s wrong
    Unless she was a teacher.
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    AverageNinjaAverageNinja Posts: 1,169
    DavidL said:

    I resigned from my job today. Time to move onto what's next.

    I wish you the very best, I really do. I frankly worry that your recent contributions on here do not indicate that you are in the best of places and this decision may well have been intemperate.

    Speak to your friends and, hopefully, a partner that you can really be open with. Do not rely on a bunch of people on a website that are not sufficiently involved to give you the advice and support you need. Get help.
    Absolutely not, this has been a decision I've spent a lot of the last six months thinking about and I have a very good support structure of friends and family that I know and trust, who have all agreed with me that after five years here it is time to move onto somewhere new.

    I appreciate your concern but I can assure you, I have never been better mental and physical health wise, so please do not worry any further.

    Good luck to you too.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,272
    isam said:

    malcolmg said:

    Andy_JS said:

    It's annoying that I can't watch the darts semi-final. It's not on free TV as far as I know.

    I've just looked up Luke Littler.

    Nice guy and all the best to him and I really struggle to belief he's 16; he looks more like a slightly overweight 36 year old, who's been knocking back the pints at his local for years, with not particularly good teeth.

    What's his diet like?
    Oysters and caviar. Washed down with ten pints of bitter.

    Probably.
    You would certainly not take him for a 16 year old.
    Quite unusual for a 16 yr old boy to have a 21 yr old girlfriend, or least it was in my day.


    Tell me, what did you see in soon-to-be millionaire darts player Luke Littler?
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,622

    isam said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
    Moaning about Christmas stuff being on sale earlier and earlier is traditional.

    There probably graffiti about that at Pompeii.
    IIRC the calendar reforms of Julius Caesar were his response to growing irritation among all classes of Romans, to being bombarded with "Get Your Goat BEFORE the Lupercalia Holiday Rush" ads starting as early as the Dog Days of Summer.
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    TimSTimS Posts: 9,707
    ydoethur said:

    isam said:

    TimS said:

    isam said:

    malcolmg said:

    Andy_JS said:

    It's annoying that I can't watch the darts semi-final. It's not on free TV as far as I know.

    I've just looked up Luke Littler.

    Nice guy and all the best to him and I really struggle to belief he's 16; he looks more like a slightly overweight 36 year old, who's been knocking back the pints at his local for years, with not particularly good teeth.

    What's his diet like?
    Oysters and caviar. Washed down with ten pints of bitter.

    Probably.
    You would certainly not take him for a 16 year old.
    Quite unusual for a 16 yr old boy to have a 21 yr old girlfriend, or least it was in my day.


    I had a 23 year old girlfriend when I was 17, does that count?
    Quite unusual I think, not that unusual means it’s wrong
    Unless she was a
    teacher.
    She was, but it was legal then…
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    isamisam Posts: 40,960
    edited January 2
    TimS said:

    isam said:


    isam said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
    Moaning about Christmas stuff being on sale earlier and earlier is traditional.

    There probably graffiti about that at Pompeii.
    Yes, the political correctness gone mad/woke angle is lack of religious narrative on the eggs, not when they go on sale

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1417088/easter-egg-chocolate-easter-news-political-correctness-allyson-stewart-allen

    We’ve crossed the line now where people defending ‘woke’ are caricatures of the Daily Express readers they think they’re mocking
    Remember how builders talking about their feelings made them ”woke builders”? That wasn’t people defending woke, it was the surely-never-a-self-caricature Daily Mail.
    That wasn’t, but the matter we are talking about now seems to be - why would Easter Eggs going on sale in January be woke? Surely the complaint , if there is one, is that it’s crass commercialisation
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,622
    TimS said:

    isam said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
    Moaning about Christmas stuff being on sale earlier and earlier is traditional.

    There probably graffiti about that at Pompeii.
    The woke terroir is expanding though. Things Tory MPs don’t like are fast becoming woke even if they have nothing to do with woke.

    I think we need a proper Appelation Contrôlée system for woke. Easter eggs for example, only woke Easter eggs if they come from the woke region of [some American university campus].
    How Woke is Your Yoke?
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,344
    edited January 2
    isam said:

    TimS said:

    isam said:


    isam said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
    Moaning about Christmas stuff being on sale earlier and earlier is traditional.

    There probably graffiti about that at Pompeii.
    Yes, the political correctness gone mad/woke angle is lack of religious narrative on the eggs, not when they go on sale

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1417088/easter-egg-chocolate-easter-news-political-correctness-allyson-stewart-allen

    We’ve crossed the line now where people defending ‘woke’ are caricatures of the Daily Express readers they think they’re mocking
    Remember how builders talking about their feelings made them ”woke builders”? That wasn’t people defending woke, it was the surely-never-a-self-caricature Daily Mail.
    That wasn’t, but the matter we are talking about now seems to be - why would Easter Eggs going on sale in January be woke? Surely the complaint , if there is one, is that it’s crass commercialisation
    I have great sympathy for all the parents who must have struggled over Christmas only to be faced with Easter just 2 days into the new year

    I had no idea conservative mps were tweeting about it and of course it is nothing to do with woke
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    Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,317
    isam said:

    TimS said:

    isam said:


    isam said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
    Moaning about Christmas stuff being on sale earlier and earlier is traditional.

    There probably graffiti about that at Pompeii.
    Yes, the political correctness gone mad/woke angle is lack of religious narrative on the eggs, not when they go on sale

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1417088/easter-egg-chocolate-easter-news-political-correctness-allyson-stewart-allen

    We’ve crossed the line now where people defending ‘woke’ are caricatures of the Daily Express readers they think they’re mocking
    Remember how builders talking about their feelings made them ”woke builders”? That wasn’t people defending woke, it was the surely-never-a-self-caricature Daily Mail.
    That wasn’t, but the matter we are talking about now seems to be - why would Easter Eggs going on sale in January be woke? Surely the complaint , if there is one, is that it’s crass commercialisation
    It's the Cultural Marxists undermining the traditions of Judeo-Christian Europe - if Easter can occur at any time, then it's not occurring at all.
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    Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 7,560
    edited January 2
    isam said:

    TimS said:

    isam said:


    isam said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
    Moaning about Christmas stuff being on sale earlier and earlier is traditional.

    There probably graffiti about that at Pompeii.
    Yes, the political correctness gone mad/woke angle is lack of religious narrative on the eggs, not when they go on sale

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1417088/easter-egg-chocolate-easter-news-political-correctness-allyson-stewart-allen

    We’ve crossed the line now where people defending ‘woke’ are caricatures of the Daily Express readers they think they’re mocking
    Remember how builders talking about their feelings made them ”woke builders”? That wasn’t people defending woke, it was the surely-never-a-self-caricature Daily Mail.
    That wasn’t, but the matter we are talking about now seems to be - why would Easter Eggs going on sale in January be woke? Surely the complaint , if there is one, is that it’s crass commercialisation
    Agree, not a woke issue. But what I find strange is that a 'senior' MP thinks it's worth doing a video about Easter eggs at Tesco in January and tweeting it out.
    Mind you, what do I know, given that it's had 2.7M views.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,344
    edited January 2

    isam said:

    TimS said:

    isam said:


    isam said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
    Moaning about Christmas stuff being on sale earlier and earlier is traditional.

    There probably graffiti about that at Pompeii.
    Yes, the political correctness gone mad/woke angle is lack of religious narrative on the eggs, not when they go on sale

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1417088/easter-egg-chocolate-easter-news-political-correctness-allyson-stewart-allen

    We’ve crossed the line now where people defending ‘woke’ are caricatures of the Daily Express readers they think they’re mocking
    Remember how builders talking about their feelings made them ”woke builders”? That wasn’t people defending woke, it was the surely-never-a-self-caricature Daily Mail.
    That wasn’t, but the matter we are talking about now seems to be - why would Easter Eggs going on sale in January be woke? Surely the complaint , if there is one, is that it’s crass commercialisation
    Agree, not a woke issue. But what I find strange is that a 'senior' MP thinks it's worth doing a video about Easter eggs at Tesco in January and tweeting it out.
    Mind you, what do I know, given that it's had 2.7M views.
    It was our daughter who told us today as she shopped in Tescos this morning
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    TimSTimS Posts: 9,707

    isam said:

    TimS said:

    isam said:


    isam said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
    Moaning about Christmas stuff being on sale earlier and earlier is traditional.

    There probably graffiti about that at Pompeii.
    Yes, the political correctness gone mad/woke angle is lack of religious narrative on the eggs, not when they go on sale

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1417088/easter-egg-chocolate-easter-news-political-correctness-allyson-stewart-allen

    We’ve crossed the line now where people defending ‘woke’ are caricatures of the Daily Express readers they think they’re mocking
    Remember how builders talking about their feelings made them ”woke builders”? That wasn’t people defending woke, it was the surely-never-a-self-caricature Daily Mail.
    That wasn’t, but the matter we are talking about now seems to be - why would Easter Eggs going on sale in January be woke? Surely the complaint , if there is one, is that it’s crass commercialisation
    Agree, not a woke issue. But what I find strange is that a 'senior' MP thinks it's worth doing a video about Easter eggs at Tesco in January and tweeting it out.
    Mind you, what do I know, given that it's had 2.7M views.
    Yes on reflection it’s probably more in the cones hotline box than the PC gone mad box.

    By the way good to see Britain’s newfound temperance movement being given short shrift.

    https://x.com/rhonddabryant/status/1742157948820811843?s=46

    Though they should really be selling English and Welsh sparkling wine.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,660
    As I understand it, one PBer has had a 21 year old gf every year for the past 35 years.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,136

    I resigned from my job today. Time to move onto what's next.

    Good luck with that. I did it a few times and with a couple of duds along the way, it generally led me to a wonderful career that could not have happened if I had stayed put.

    Just one thought: if you are looking for a new ninja role, then "average" might be perceived as underselling yourself in the market. UpperQuartileNinja at least....
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,502

    TimS said:

    isam said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
    Moaning about Christmas stuff being on sale earlier and earlier is traditional.

    There probably graffiti about that at Pompeii.
    The woke terroir is expanding though. Things Tory MPs don’t like are fast becoming woke even if they have nothing to do with woke.

    I think we need a proper Appelation Contrôlée system for woke. Easter eggs for example, only woke Easter eggs if they come from the woke region of [some American university campus].
    How Woke is Your Yoke?
    How Wolk is your Yolk, Shirley?
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,660
    Anyone trying to undermine Easter would be crucified by the Mail and Express.
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,622

    TimS said:

    isam said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
    Moaning about Christmas stuff being on sale earlier and earlier is traditional.

    There probably graffiti about that at Pompeii.
    The woke terroir is expanding though. Things Tory MPs don’t like are fast becoming woke even if they have nothing to do with woke.

    I think we need a proper Appelation Contrôlée system for woke. Easter eggs for example, only woke Easter eggs if they come from the woke region of [some American university campus].
    How Woke is Your Yoke?
    How Wolk is your Yolk, Shirley?
    Was just making a jolk!
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,350

    DavidL said:

    I resigned from my job today. Time to move onto what's next.

    I wish you the very best, I really do. I frankly worry that your recent contributions on here do not indicate that you are in the best of places and this decision may well have been intemperate.

    Speak to your friends and, hopefully, a partner that you can really be open with. Do not rely on a bunch of people on a website that are not sufficiently involved to give you the advice and support you need. Get help.
    Absolutely not, this has been a decision I've spent a lot of the last six months thinking about and I have a very good support structure of friends and family that I know and trust, who have all agreed with me that after five years here it is time to move onto somewhere new.

    I appreciate your concern but I can assure you, I have never been better mental and physical health wise, so please do not worry any further.

    Good luck to you too.
    Well all the very best then. Sometimes you need to take a leap. I did when I left a partnership to go to the bar and it worked very well for me. Hope this is one of the good examples.
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,622

    As I understand it, one PBer has had a 21 year old gf every year for the past 35 years.

    And some of the gfs (allegedly) even knew about it at the time!
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,037
    Does anyone other than me think that Cadbury's Cream Eggs are utterly revolting?
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    numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,488
    edited January 2
    If it makes good commercial sense to stock Easter Eggs in January then fair play to the supermarkets. That’s the market speaking. I can scoff a little at it (as I do with the Christmas stuff appearing so early) but it’s not ruining my life.

    I’m not sure I’ve met anyone who has confessed to buying an Easter egg in January, but those people must exist, surely, to make it worthwhile.

    … in fact, I would go further and say Easter eggs were never a particularly significant tradition when I was growing up. I did get gifted one every year, I think, but I admit that the concept of having lots of them to get through never really existed. Maybe I’m atypical.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,136

    As I understand it, one PBer has had a 21 year old gf every year for the past 35 years.

    Well, a gfe at least....
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,350
    rcs1000 said:

    Does anyone other than me think that Cadbury's Cream Eggs are utterly revolting?

    Nope.
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    TimSTimS Posts: 9,707
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    I resigned from my job today. Time to move onto what's next.

    I wish you the very best, I really do. I frankly worry that your recent contributions on here do not indicate that you are in the best of places and this decision may well have been intemperate.

    Speak to your friends and, hopefully, a partner that you can really be open with. Do not rely on a bunch of people on a website that are not sufficiently involved to give you the advice and support you need. Get help.
    Absolutely not, this has been a decision I've spent a lot of the last six months thinking about and I have a very good support structure of friends and family that I know and trust, who have all agreed with me that after five years here it is time to move onto somewhere new.

    I appreciate your concern but I can assure you, I have never been better mental and physical health wise, so please do not worry any further.

    Good luck to you too.
    Well all the very best then. Sometimes you need to take a leap. I did when I left a partnership to go to the bar and it worked very well for me. Hope this is one of the good examples.
    I know a few people who left happy partnerships to go to the bar. Never ends well.
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    CatManCatMan Posts: 2,776

    As I understand it, one PBer has had a 21 year old gf every year for the past 35 years.

    Leonardo DiCaprio posts on here?
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