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  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,866

    Andy_JS said:

    Looks like the rain has finally stopped, which is good because about 75% of the roads round here are flooded to some extent.

    This is the new normal.

    Warm and very wet winters.
    I think I'd ban the phrase 'the new normal'. It seems to function as an excuse for spineless politicians and greasy corporates to enforce unpleasant situations on the public with no prospect of abatement.

    We've had a good fiddle with climate this year, banning those maritime fuels, the effect of which was to make temperatures (sea temperatures at any rate) rise significantly. So far I don't think that situation has been reversed or any attempt made to mitigate it, despite various private jet-fuelled junkets. 'Decarbonise' is the only show in town, despite it seeming to have all the impact on climate that housewives donating their pots and pans had on Spitfire production.

    We need creative solutions to optimise the climate, that work quickly, and to be prepared to bug out quickly it they're found not to work. Net Zero is tangential at best in this regard.

    We need geo-engineering solutions to suck carbon back out the atmosphere en-masse, is what we need - and pronto.
    Yes… and that’s why lots of people are working on making these solutions a reality. What I don’t understand is why Luckyguy1983 keeps posting as if no-one is looking into this.
    Yip. Climeworks wants your hard cash right now. Hope it works.

    https://climeworks.com/subscriptions
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,740
    Y Doethur ... regenerates...
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    darkage said:

    CatMan said:

    Cancel Culture!!! (Or something)

    "Claudine Gay resigns as Harvard University president"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67868280

    The Republicans are having a lot of success in their 'war on woke' in the Biden presidency , you wonder if a Trump presidency would actually set their cause back.
    Republican THINK they are having a lot of success with Wack War on Woke.

    Evidence for that is bit thinner. For example 2023 elections.

    Virginia 2021 is cited as example of anti-woke winning for GOP. However, when the now-Gov campaigned as pro-education, plenty of voters THOUGHT he meant improving teaching. When what he REALLY meant, was weaponizing school restrooms against trans and homos.

    One reason why GOP failed to win majority in VA legislature in 2023 . . . and the Gov went from future POTUS prospect to just another lame duck.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,950
    Part 2 of the Post Office drama has just started.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,683

    The Easter stock went out this week. Not sure why anyone cares. Probably something to

    isam said:

    isam said:

    TimS said:

    isam said:


    isam said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
    Moaning about Christmas stuff being on sale earlier and earlier is traditional.

    There probably graffiti about that at Pompeii.
    Yes, the political correctness gone mad/woke angle is lack of religious narrative on the eggs, not when they go on sale

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1417088/easter-egg-chocolate-easter-news-political-correctness-allyson-stewart-allen

    We’ve crossed the line now where people defending ‘woke’ are caricatures of the Daily Express readers they think they’re mocking
    Remember how builders talking about their feelings made them ”woke builders”? That wasn’t people defending woke, it was the surely-never-a-self-caricature Daily Mail.
    That wasn’t, but the matter we are talking about now seems to be - why would Easter Eggs going on sale in January be woke? Surely the complaint , if there is one, is that it’s crass commercialisation
    Agree, not a woke issue. But what I find strange is that a 'senior' MP thinks it's worth doing a video about Easter eggs at Tesco in January and tweeting it out.
    Mind you, what do I know, given that it's had 2.7M views.
    The “this isn’t about woke” posts by various people are very naive. This is a culture war post by Berry aimed at winding up people who get wound up by modern life.

    Easter Eggs on New Years Day / It’s not Traditional/ Not like the good old days / I blame the permissive society
    Blimey, you had a long time to try and wriggle out of that, or fess up that you’d mixed up the ‘Not Easter’ Eggs ‘woke’ issue with this one.

    Why would people who are regarded as ‘woke’ be championing the right of Supermarkets to sell Easter Eggs in early January? It doesn’t seem that it should matter either way. You just seem to be writing your own pet hates into it having got the wrong end of the stick, like someone else did with the EU lightbulbs the other day

    The Mirror ran an article moaning about it in mid December & The BBC here quote the Royal Society for Public Health complaining about the practice of early egg sales… so it’s hardly a right wing, culture war, anti woke thing at all

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/shoppers-horror-bm-already-selling-31664712

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-47735108
    It does get difficult when noone has the slightest idea what 'woke' means. Even people who go on about it all the time have completely different examples to offer. Electric cars are 'woke' to many folk but the Blessed Elon wouldn't agree. Frankly if someone on the right fringe of politics decides they don't like Easter eggs in January then that phenomenon automatically becomes woke. To them at least.

    Meanwhile the rest of us, in the real world, haven't got a clue what they are blathering on about.
    Woke can be a bit nebulous but in my head ‘changing something that has been long accepted in order to avoid offending someone else (who isn’t actually offended by said thing)’. For instance the use of Winterval rather than Christmas, so as not to offend non Christians.

    Sometimes the changes are sensible yet still derided as woke. See Batter rather than Batsmen (mainly for womens cricket, but will surely bleed back into mens too).

    I suspect that most people actually do have a sense for what woke means, and the idea that it cannot be easily defined is not really fair. Define pornography?
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  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    The Easter stock went out this week. Not sure why anyone cares. Probably something to

    isam said:

    isam said:

    TimS said:

    isam said:


    isam said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
    Moaning about Christmas stuff being on sale earlier and earlier is traditional.

    There probably graffiti about that at Pompeii.
    Yes, the political correctness gone mad/woke angle is lack of religious narrative on the eggs, not when they go on sale

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1417088/easter-egg-chocolate-easter-news-political-correctness-allyson-stewart-allen

    We’ve crossed the line now where people defending ‘woke’ are caricatures of the Daily Express readers they think they’re mocking
    Remember how builders talking about their feelings made them ”woke builders”? That wasn’t people defending woke, it was the surely-never-a-self-caricature Daily Mail.
    That wasn’t, but the matter we are talking about now seems to be - why would Easter Eggs going on sale in January be woke? Surely the complaint , if there is one, is that it’s crass commercialisation
    Agree, not a woke issue. But what I find strange is that a 'senior' MP thinks it's worth doing a video about Easter eggs at Tesco in January and tweeting it out.
    Mind you, what do I know, given that it's had 2.7M views.
    The “this isn’t about woke” posts by various people are very naive. This is a culture war post by Berry aimed at winding up people who get wound up by modern life.

    Easter Eggs on New Years Day / It’s not Traditional/ Not like the good old days / I blame the permissive society
    Blimey, you had a long time to try and wriggle out of that, or fess up that you’d mixed up the ‘Not Easter’ Eggs ‘woke’ issue with this one.

    Why would people who are regarded as ‘woke’ be championing the right of Supermarkets to sell Easter Eggs in early January? It doesn’t seem that it should matter either way. You just seem to be writing your own pet hates into it having got the wrong end of the stick, like someone else did with the EU lightbulbs the other day

    The Mirror ran an article moaning about it in mid December & The BBC here quote the Royal Society for Public Health complaining about the practice of early egg sales… so it’s hardly a right wing, culture war, anti woke thing at all

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/shoppers-horror-bm-already-selling-31664712

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-47735108
    It does get difficult when noone has the slightest idea what 'woke' means. Even people who go on about it all the time have completely different


    examples to offer. Electric cars are 'woke' to many folk but the Blessed Elon wouldn't agree.

    Frankly if someone on the right fringe of politics decides they don't like Easter eggs in January then that phenomenon automatically becomes woke. To them at least.

    Meanwhile the rest of us, in the real world, haven't got a clue what they are blathering on about.

    Trying to imagine what a woke Easter would be. Surely the ‘woke’ want to diminish Christian festivals rather than get them going early? It’s not woke to put up Christmas decorations early is it?

    As I said before, the old moan was Easter Eggs not mentioning Easter. Southam Observer used to go on & on about people complaining about it. Maybe trying to make it a multifaith occasion would upset traditionalists/make ‘woke’people happy



  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,496
    ydoethur said:

    Y Doethur ... regenerates...

    into the best Doctor I see
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    The Easter stock went out this week. Not sure why anyone cares. Probably something to

    isam said:

    isam said:

    TimS said:

    isam said:


    isam said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
    Moaning about Christmas stuff being on sale earlier and earlier is traditional.

    There probably graffiti about that at Pompeii.
    Yes, the political correctness gone mad/woke angle is lack of religious narrative on the eggs, not when they go on sale

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1417088/easter-egg-chocolate-easter-news-political-correctness-allyson-stewart-allen

    We’ve crossed the line now where people defending ‘woke’ are caricatures of the Daily Express readers they think they’re mocking
    Remember how builders talking about their feelings made them ”woke builders”? That wasn’t people defending woke, it was the surely-never-a-self-caricature Daily Mail.
    That wasn’t, but the matter we are talking about now seems to be - why would Easter Eggs going on sale in January be woke? Surely the complaint , if there is one, is that it’s crass commercialisation
    Agree, not a woke issue. But what I find strange is that a 'senior' MP thinks it's worth doing a video about Easter eggs at Tesco in January and tweeting it out.
    Mind you, what do I know, given that it's had 2.7M views.
    The “this isn’t about woke” posts by various people are very naive. This is a culture war post by Berry aimed at winding up people who get wound up by modern life.

    Easter Eggs on New Years Day / It’s not Traditional/ Not like the good old days / I blame the permissive society
    Blimey, you had a long time to try and wriggle out of that, or fess up that you’d mixed up the ‘Not Easter’ Eggs ‘woke’ issue with this one.

    Why would people who are regarded as ‘woke’ be championing the right of Supermarkets to sell Easter Eggs in early January? It doesn’t seem that it should matter either way. You just seem to be writing your own pet hates into it having got the wrong end of the stick, like someone else did with the EU lightbulbs the other day

    The Mirror ran an article moaning about it in mid December & The BBC here quote the Royal Society for Public Health complaining about the practice of early egg sales… so it’s hardly a right wing, culture war, anti woke thing at all

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/shoppers-horror-bm-already-selling-31664712

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-47735108
    It does get difficult when noone has the slightest idea what 'woke' means. Even people who go on about it all the time have completely different examples to offer. Electric cars are 'woke' to many folk but the Blessed Elon wouldn't agree. Frankly if someone on the right fringe of politics decides they don't like Easter eggs in January then that phenomenon automatically becomes woke. To them at least.

    Meanwhile the rest of us, in the real world, haven't got a clue what they are blathering on about.
    Woke can be a bit nebulous but in my head ‘changing something that has been long accepted in order to avoid offending someone else (who isn’t actually offended by said thing)’. For instance the use of Winterval rather than Christmas, so as not to offend non Christians.

    Sometimes the changes are sensible yet still derided as woke. See Batter rather than Batsmen (mainly for womens cricket, but will surely bleed back into mens too).

    I suspect that most people actually do have a sense for what woke means, and the idea that it cannot be easily defined is not really fair. Define pornography?
    In Australia they’ve been calling batsmen ‘batters’ for ages, but they called fielders ‘fieldsmen’ at the same time

    Makes sense to degender those words I think now I think
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,214

    Andy_JS said:

    Looks like the rain has finally stopped, which is good because about 75% of the roads round here are flooded to some extent.

    This is the new normal.

    Warm and very wet winters.
    I think I'd ban the phrase 'the new normal'. It seems to function as an excuse for spineless politicians and greasy corporates to enforce unpleasant situations on the public with no prospect of abatement.

    We've had a good fiddle with climate this year, banning those maritime fuels, the effect of which was to make temperatures (sea temperatures at any rate) rise significantly. So far I don't think that situation has been reversed or any attempt made to mitigate it, despite various private jet-fuelled junkets. 'Decarbonise' is the only show in town, despite it seeming to have all the impact on climate that housewives donating their pots and pans had on Spitfire production.

    We need creative solutions to optimise the climate, that work quickly, and to be prepared to bug out quickly it they're found not to work. Net Zero is tangential at best in this regard.

    We need geo-engineering solutions to suck carbon back out the atmosphere en-masse, is what we need - and pronto.
    Yes… and that’s why lots of people are working on making these solutions a reality. What I don’t understand is why Luckyguy1983
    keeps posting as if no-one is looking into this.
    The reason large scale geo-engineering isn’t being carried out (yet) is because of simple - and understandable - liability issues.

    Global warming is the archetype of joint and several liability. Every country, every company, every government shares some responsibility and everyone shares in the effects, albeit unevenly. You can’t - despite some efforts - pin the blame on one actor.

    When you geoengineer you create a specific and immediate effect which while predictable at global level is unpredictable at regional level, but provable. So if a nation or bloc decides to geoengineer and that causes drought in region x, they’re going to get sued. Whereas reducing an existing contribution to change, like CO2, NO2 or CH4 is not introducing a new trigger for change, it’s mitigating an existing one.

    As for cutting maritime sulphate emissions, this is what’s known as a termination shock. Still to be definitively proven, but looking likely as a culprit for the sudden jump in North Atlantic temperatures this year. They were hiding the true scale of global warming, by a bit. But those emissions are dirty stuff and are a pretty fixed input - they probably held back warming by around 0.1C, and regionally possibly up to 0.4C. You either go cold turkey now or later.

    Geoengineering solutions will be put into
    place as a last resort if everything else fails.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,399
    spudgfsh said:

    ydoethur said:

    Y Doethur ... regenerates...

    into the best Doctor I see
    Oh, now there's a discussion...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,740
    spudgfsh said:

    ydoethur said:

    Y Doethur ... regenerates...

    into the best Doctor I see
    I'm saving Tom Baker for later.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,944
    Andy_JS said:

    Part 2 of the Post Office drama has just started.

    I'm not sure I can carry on watching, it's making my blood boil....
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,740
    edited January 2
    isam said:

    The Easter stock went out this week. Not sure why anyone cares. Probably something to

    isam said:

    isam said:

    TimS said:

    isam said:


    isam said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
    Moaning about Christmas stuff being on sale earlier and earlier is traditional.

    There probably graffiti about that at Pompeii.
    Yes, the political correctness gone mad/woke angle is lack of religious narrative on the eggs, not when they go on sale

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1417088/easter-egg-chocolate-easter-news-political-correctness-allyson-stewart-allen

    We’ve crossed the line now where people defending ‘woke’ are caricatures of the Daily Express readers they think they’re mocking
    Remember how builders talking about their feelings made them ”woke builders”? That wasn’t people defending woke, it was the surely-never-a-self-caricature Daily Mail.
    That wasn’t, but the matter we are talking about now seems to be - why would Easter Eggs going on sale in January be woke? Surely the complaint , if there is one, is that it’s crass commercialisation
    Agree, not a woke issue. But what I find strange is that a 'senior' MP thinks it's worth doing a video about Easter eggs at Tesco in January and tweeting it out.
    Mind you, what do I know, given that it's had 2.7M views.
    The “this isn’t about woke” posts by various people are very naive. This is a culture war post by Berry aimed at winding up people who get wound up by modern life.

    Easter Eggs on New Years Day / It’s not Traditional/ Not like the good old days / I blame the permissive society
    Blimey, you had a long time to try and wriggle out of that, or fess up that you’d mixed up the ‘Not Easter’ Eggs ‘woke’ issue with this one.

    Why would people who are regarded as ‘woke’ be championing the right of Supermarkets to sell Easter Eggs in early January? It doesn’t seem that it should matter either way. You just seem to be writing your own pet hates into it having got the wrong end of the stick, like someone else did with the EU lightbulbs the other day

    The Mirror ran an article moaning about it in mid December & The BBC here quote the Royal Society for Public Health complaining about the practice of early egg sales… so it’s hardly a right wing, culture war, anti woke thing at all

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/shoppers-horror-bm-already-selling-31664712

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-47735108
    It does get difficult when noone has the slightest idea what 'woke' means. Even people who go on about it all the time have completely different examples to offer. Electric cars are 'woke' to many folk but the Blessed Elon wouldn't agree. Frankly if someone on the right fringe of politics decides they don't like Easter eggs in January then that phenomenon automatically becomes woke. To them at least.

    Meanwhile the rest of us, in the real world, haven't got a clue what they are blathering on about.
    Woke can be a bit nebulous but in my head ‘changing something that has been long accepted in order to avoid offending someone else (who isn’t actually offended by said thing)’. For instance the use of Winterval rather than Christmas, so as not to offend non Christians.

    Sometimes the changes are sensible yet still derided as woke. See Batter rather than Batsmen (mainly for womens cricket, but will surely bleed back into mens too).

    I suspect that most people actually do have a sense for what woke means, and the idea that it cannot be easily defined is not really fair. Define pornography?
    In Australia they’ve been calling batsmen ‘batters’ for ages, but they called fielders ‘fieldsmen’ at the same time

    Makes sense to degender those words I think now I think
    Until about 1965 they generally were called just 'bats' in this country. But to save confusion with the implement they were increasingly called 'batsmen.'

    Everything else is in English cricket called 'er' (fielder, bowler, keeper, loser) so the change (which has been officially declared by the MCC) makes sense.

    I'm having difficulty remembering it though.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    Bull Bull Double 16 !
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,866

    The Easter stock went out this week. Not sure why anyone cares. Probably something to

    isam said:

    isam said:

    TimS said:

    isam said:


    isam said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
    Moaning about Christmas stuff being on sale earlier and earlier is traditional.

    There probably graffiti about that at Pompeii.
    Yes, the political correctness gone mad/woke angle is lack of religious narrative on the eggs, not when they go on sale

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1417088/easter-egg-chocolate-easter-news-political-correctness-allyson-stewart-allen

    We’ve crossed the line now where people defending ‘woke’ are caricatures of the Daily Express readers they think they’re mocking
    Remember how builders talking about their feelings made them ”woke builders”? That wasn’t people defending woke, it was the surely-never-a-self-caricature Daily Mail.
    That wasn’t, but the matter we are talking about now seems to be - why would Easter Eggs going on sale in January be woke? Surely the complaint , if there is one, is that it’s crass commercialisation
    Agree, not a woke issue. But what I find strange is that a 'senior' MP thinks it's worth doing a video about Easter eggs at Tesco in January and tweeting it out.
    Mind you, what do I know, given that it's had 2.7M views.
    The “this isn’t about woke” posts by various people are very naive. This is a culture war post by Berry aimed at winding up people who get wound up by modern life.

    Easter Eggs on New Years Day / It’s not Traditional/ Not like the good old days / I blame the permissive society
    Blimey, you had a long time to try and wriggle out of that, or fess up that you’d mixed up the ‘Not Easter’ Eggs ‘woke’ issue with this one.

    Why would people who are regarded as ‘woke’ be championing the right of Supermarkets to sell Easter Eggs in early January? It doesn’t seem that it should matter either way. You just seem to be writing your own pet hates into it having got the wrong end of the stick, like someone else did with the EU lightbulbs the other day

    The Mirror ran an article moaning about it in mid December & The BBC here quote the Royal Society for Public Health complaining about the practice of early egg sales… so it’s hardly a right wing, culture war, anti woke thing at all

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/shoppers-horror-bm-already-selling-31664712

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-47735108
    It does get difficult when noone has the slightest idea what 'woke' means. Even people who go on about it all the time have completely different examples to offer. Electric cars are 'woke' to many folk but the Blessed Elon wouldn't agree. Frankly if someone on the right fringe of politics decides they don't like Easter eggs in January then that phenomenon automatically becomes woke. To them at least.

    Meanwhile the rest of us, in the real world, haven't got a clue what they are blathering on about.
    Woke can be a bit nebulous but in my head ‘changing something that has been long accepted in order to avoid offending someone else (who isn’t actually offended by said thing)’. For instance the use of Winterval rather than Christmas, so as not to offend non Christians.

    Sometimes the changes are sensible yet still derided as woke. See Batter rather than Batsmen (mainly for womens cricket, but will surely bleed back into mens too).

    I suspect that most people actually do have a sense for what woke means, and the idea that it cannot be easily defined is not really fair. Define pornography?
    Woke is obviously hard to define, like 'centre right' or 'liberal'. It's abstract. I would tentatively suggest that it identifies a particular group, who have similarities and overlaps with others.

    These are 9 suggested identifying characteristics of woke, none unique:

    Disdain for difference, apart from specially designated difference
    A group think mindset
    A puritanlike withdrawal from the unwoke or worldly
    A lack of the negative capability to hold, treasure and value uncertainty
    Absolute assurance
    A single issue mindset, accompanied by a denial that this is so
    Moral absolutism
    Sanctions for non compliance
    An intense hatred of the liberal and enlightenment project.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    From that guardian site on the darts:

    "Littler has just held throw by taking 132 with two bulls and double 16. There’s nothing left to say."
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,839
    TimS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Looks like the rain has finally stopped, which is good because about 75% of the roads round here are flooded to some extent.

    This is the new normal.

    Warm and very wet winters.
    I think I'd ban the phrase 'the new normal'. It seems to function as an excuse for spineless politicians and greasy corporates to enforce unpleasant situations on the public with no prospect of abatement.

    We've had a good fiddle with climate this year, banning those maritime fuels, the effect of which was to make temperatures (sea temperatures at any rate) rise significantly. So far I don't think that situation has been reversed or any attempt made to mitigate it, despite various private jet-fuelled junkets. 'Decarbonise' is the only show in town, despite it seeming to have all the impact on climate that housewives donating their pots and pans had on Spitfire production.

    We need creative solutions to optimise the climate, that work quickly, and to be prepared to bug out quickly it they're found not to work. Net Zero is tangential at best in this regard.

    We need geo-engineering solutions to suck carbon back out the atmosphere en-masse, is what we need - and pronto.
    Yes… and that’s why lots of people are working on making these solutions a reality. What I don’t understand is why Luckyguy1983
    keeps posting as if no-one is looking into this.
    The reason large scale geo-engineering isn’t being carried out (yet) is because of simple - and understandable - liability issues.

    Global warming is the archetype of joint and several liability. Every country, every company, every government shares some responsibility and everyone shares in the effects, albeit unevenly. You can’t - despite some efforts - pin the blame on one actor.

    When you geoengineer you create a specific and immediate effect which while predictable at global level is unpredictable at regional level, but provable. So if a nation or bloc decides to geoengineer and that causes drought in region x, they’re going to get sued. Whereas reducing an existing contribution to change, like CO2, NO2 or CH4 is not introducing a new trigger for change, it’s mitigating an existing one.

    As for cutting maritime sulphate emissions, this is what’s known as a termination shock. Still to be definitively proven, but looking likely as a culprit for the sudden jump in North Atlantic temperatures this year. They were hiding the true scale of global warming, by a bit. But those emissions are dirty stuff and are a pretty fixed input - they probably held back warming by around 0.1C, and regionally possibly up to 0.4C. You either go cold turkey now or later.

    Geoengineering solutions will be put into
    place as a last resort if everything else fails.
    This is an utterly indefensible post. When people are being asked effectively to accept a precipitous fall in their living standards and outrageous infringements on their freedoms, you can wave away a huge change in temperature, entirely attributable to human regulatory meddling by the same fuckwits lecturing us about 'the real price of energy' and 'the new normal' and suggest that any solutions to this will be applied 'as a last resort is everything (for which read the impoverishment of the West) else fails'.

    A more cynical person than myself might suspect that policy makers and their corporate sponsors are quite delighted with the temperature increase their meddling has caused - it has created even more lovely alarm around the climate after all.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,740

    ydoethur said:

    isam said:

    The Easter stock went out this week. Not sure why anyone cares. Probably something to

    isam said:

    isam said:

    TimS said:

    isam said:


    isam said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
    Moaning about Christmas stuff being on sale earlier and earlier is traditional.

    There probably graffiti about that at Pompeii.
    Yes, the political correctness gone mad/woke angle is lack of religious narrative on the eggs, not when they go on sale

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1417088/easter-egg-chocolate-easter-news-political-correctness-allyson-stewart-allen

    We’ve crossed the line now where people defending ‘woke’ are caricatures of the Daily Express readers they think they’re mocking
    Remember how builders talking about their feelings made them ”woke builders”? That wasn’t people defending woke, it was the surely-never-a-self-caricature Daily Mail.
    That wasn’t, but the matter we are talking about now seems to be - why would Easter Eggs going on sale in January be woke? Surely the complaint , if there is one, is that it’s crass commercialisation
    Agree, not a woke issue. But what I find strange is that a 'senior' MP thinks it's worth doing a video about Easter eggs at Tesco in January and tweeting it out.
    Mind you, what do I know, given that it's had 2.7M views.
    The “this isn’t about woke” posts by various people are very naive. This is a culture war post by Berry aimed at winding up people who get wound up by modern life.

    Easter Eggs on New Years Day / It’s not Traditional/ Not like the good old days / I blame the permissive society
    Blimey, you had a long time to try and wriggle out of that, or fess up that you’d mixed up the ‘Not Easter’ Eggs ‘woke’ issue with this one.

    Why would people who are regarded as ‘woke’ be championing the right of Supermarkets to sell Easter Eggs in early January? It doesn’t seem that it should matter either way. You just seem to be writing your own pet hates into it having got the wrong end of the stick, like someone else did with the EU lightbulbs the other day

    The Mirror ran an article moaning about it in mid December & The BBC here quote the Royal Society for Public Health complaining about the practice of early egg sales… so it’s hardly a right wing, culture war, anti woke thing at all

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/shoppers-horror-bm-already-selling-31664712

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-47735108
    It does get difficult when noone has the slightest idea what 'woke' means. Even people who go on about it all the time have completely different examples to offer. Electric cars are 'woke' to many folk but the Blessed Elon wouldn't agree. Frankly if someone on the right fringe of politics decides they don't like Easter eggs in January then that phenomenon automatically becomes woke. To them at least.

    Meanwhile the rest of us, in the real world, haven't got a clue what they are blathering on about.
    Woke can be a bit nebulous but in my head ‘changing something that has been long accepted in order to avoid offending someone else (who isn’t actually offended by said thing)’. For instance the use of Winterval rather than Christmas, so as not to offend non Christians.

    Sometimes the changes are sensible yet still derided as woke. See Batter rather than Batsmen (mainly for womens cricket, but will surely bleed back into mens too).

    I suspect that most people actually do have a sense for what woke means, and the idea that it cannot be easily defined is not really fair. Define pornography?
    In Australia they’ve been calling batsmen ‘batters’ for ages, but they called fielders ‘fieldsmen’ at the same time

    Makes sense to degender those words I think now I think
    Until about 1965 they generally were called just 'bats' in this country. But to save confusion with the implement they were increasingly called 'batsmen.'

    Everything else is in English cricket called 'er' (fielder, bowler, keeper, loser) so the change (which has been officially declared by the MCC) makes sense.

    I'm having difficulty remembering it though.
    I find it difficult to hear the word 'batter' without thinking 'a creamy suspension of flour and water'.
    Your thought process on this seems fishy.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    isam said:

    The Easter stock went out this week. Not sure why anyone cares. Probably something to

    isam said:

    isam said:

    TimS said:

    isam said:


    isam said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
    Moaning about Christmas stuff being on sale earlier and earlier is traditional.

    There probably graffiti about that at Pompeii.
    Yes, the political correctness gone mad/woke angle is lack of religious narrative on the eggs, not when they go on sale

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1417088/easter-egg-chocolate-easter-news-political-correctness-allyson-stewart-allen

    We’ve crossed the line now where people defending ‘woke’ are caricatures of the Daily Express readers they think they’re mocking
    Remember how builders talking about their feelings made them ”woke builders”? That wasn’t people defending woke, it was the surely-never-a-self-caricature Daily Mail.
    That wasn’t, but the matter we are talking about now seems to be - why would Easter Eggs going on sale in January be woke? Surely the complaint , if there is one, is that it’s crass commercialisation
    Agree, not a woke issue. But what I find strange is that a 'senior' MP thinks it's worth doing a video about Easter eggs at Tesco in January and tweeting it out.
    Mind you, what do I know, given that it's had 2.7M views.
    The “this isn’t about woke” posts by various people are very naive. This is a culture war post by Berry aimed at winding up people who get wound up by modern life.

    Easter Eggs on New Years Day / It’s not Traditional/ Not like the good old days / I blame the permissive society
    Blimey, you had a long time to try and wriggle out of that, or fess up that you’d mixed up the ‘Not Easter’ Eggs ‘woke’ issue with this one.

    Why would people who are regarded as ‘woke’ be championing the right of Supermarkets to sell Easter Eggs in early January? It doesn’t seem that it should matter either way. You just seem to be writing your own pet hates into it having got the wrong end of the stick, like someone else did with the EU lightbulbs the other day

    The Mirror ran an article moaning about it in mid December & The BBC here quote the Royal Society for Public Health complaining about the practice of early egg sales… so it’s hardly a right wing, culture war, anti woke thing at all

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/shoppers-horror-bm-already-selling-31664712

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-47735108
    It does get difficult when noone has the slightest idea what 'woke' means. Even people who go on about it all the time have completely different


    examples to offer. Electric cars are 'woke' to many folk but the Blessed Elon wouldn't agree.

    Frankly if someone on the right fringe of politics decides they don't like Easter eggs in January then that phenomenon automatically becomes woke. To them at least.

    Meanwhile the rest of us, in the real world, haven't got a clue what they are blathering on about.

    Trying to imagine what a woke Easter would be. Surely the ‘woke’ want to diminish Christian festivals rather than get them going early? It’s not woke to put up Christmas decorations early is it?

    As I said before, the old moan was Easter Eggs not mentioning Easter. Southam Observer used to go on & on about people complaining about it. Maybe trying to make it a multifaith occasion would upset traditionalists/make ‘woke’people happy



    Personally, I blame Fred Astaire and Judy Garland . . .

    Easter Parade
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeI3JIJCWTg

    Zero mention of the Resurrection, let alone Easter eggs.

    Instead, extended commercial for bonnets & spats . . . sponsored by Macy's . . .
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937

    ydoethur said:

    isam said:

    The Easter stock went out this week. Not sure why anyone cares. Probably something to

    isam said:

    isam said:

    TimS said:

    isam said:


    isam said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
    Moaning about Christmas stuff being on sale earlier and earlier is traditional.

    There probably graffiti about that at Pompeii.
    Yes, the political correctness gone mad/woke angle is lack of religious narrative on the eggs, not when they go on sale

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1417088/easter-egg-chocolate-easter-news-political-correctness-allyson-stewart-allen

    We’ve crossed the line now where people defending ‘woke’ are caricatures of the Daily Express readers they think they’re mocking
    Remember how builders talking about their feelings made them ”woke builders”? That wasn’t people defending woke, it was the surely-never-a-self-caricature Daily Mail.
    That wasn’t, but the matter we are talking about now seems to be - why would Easter Eggs going on sale in January be woke? Surely the complaint , if there is one, is that it’s crass commercialisation
    Agree, not a woke issue. But what I find strange is that a 'senior' MP thinks it's worth doing a video about Easter eggs at Tesco in January and tweeting it out.
    Mind you, what do I know, given that it's had 2.7M views.
    The “this isn’t about woke” posts by various people are very naive. This is a culture war post by Berry aimed at winding up people who get wound up by modern life.

    Easter Eggs on New Years Day / It’s not Traditional/ Not like the good old days / I blame the permissive society
    Blimey, you had a long time to try and wriggle out of that, or fess up that you’d mixed up the ‘Not Easter’ Eggs ‘woke’ issue with this one.

    Why would people who are regarded as ‘woke’ be championing the right of Supermarkets to sell Easter Eggs in early January? It doesn’t seem that it should matter either way. You just seem to be writing your own pet hates into it having got the wrong end of the stick, like someone else did with the EU lightbulbs the other day

    The Mirror ran an article moaning about it in mid December & The BBC here quote the Royal Society for Public Health complaining about the practice of early egg sales… so it’s hardly a right wing, culture war, anti woke thing at all

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/shoppers-horror-bm-already-selling-31664712

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-47735108
    It does get difficult when noone has the slightest idea what 'woke' means. Even people who go on about it all the time have completely different examples to offer. Electric cars are 'woke' to many folk but the Blessed Elon wouldn't agree. Frankly if someone on the right fringe of politics decides they don't like Easter eggs in January then that phenomenon automatically becomes woke. To them at least.

    Meanwhile the rest of us, in the real world, haven't got a clue what they are blathering on about.
    Woke can be a bit nebulous but in my head ‘changing something that has been long accepted in order to avoid offending someone else (who isn’t actually offended by said thing)’. For instance the use of Winterval rather than Christmas, so as not to offend non Christians.

    Sometimes the changes are sensible yet still derided as woke. See Batter rather than Batsmen (mainly for womens cricket, but will surely bleed back into mens too).

    I suspect that most people actually do have a sense for what woke means, and the idea that it cannot be easily defined is not really fair. Define pornography?
    In Australia they’ve been calling batsmen ‘batters’ for ages, but they called fielders ‘fieldsmen’ at the same time

    Makes sense to degender those words I think now I think
    Until about 1965 they generally were called just 'bats' in this country. But to save confusion with the implement they were increasingly called 'batsmen.'

    Everything else is in English cricket called 'er' (fielder, bowler, keeper, loser) so the change (which has been officially declared by the MCC) makes sense.

    I'm having difficulty remembering it though.
    I find it difficult to hear the word 'batter' without thinking 'a creamy suspension of flour and water'.
    It'll never work in Yorkshire.....
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,319

    From that guardian site on the darts:

    "Littler has just held throw by taking 132 with two bulls and double 16. There’s nothing left to say."

    Double 16? Is that some sort of clue?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    isam said:

    The Easter stock went out this week. Not sure why anyone cares. Probably something to

    isam said:

    isam said:

    TimS said:

    isam said:


    isam said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
    Moaning about Christmas stuff being on sale earlier and earlier is traditional.

    There probably graffiti about that at Pompeii.
    Yes, the political correctness gone mad/woke angle is lack of religious narrative on the eggs, not when they go on sale

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1417088/easter-egg-chocolate-easter-news-political-correctness-allyson-stewart-allen

    We’ve crossed the line now where people defending ‘woke’ are caricatures of the Daily Express readers they think they’re mocking
    Remember how builders talking about their feelings made them ”woke builders”? That wasn’t people defending woke, it was the surely-never-a-self-caricature Daily Mail.
    That wasn’t, but the matter we are talking about now seems to be - why would Easter Eggs going on sale in January be woke? Surely the complaint , if there is one, is that it’s crass commercialisation
    Agree, not a woke issue. But what I find strange is that a 'senior' MP thinks it's worth doing a video about Easter eggs at Tesco in January and tweeting it out.
    Mind you, what do I know, given that it's had 2.7M views.
    The “this isn’t about woke” posts by various people are very naive. This is a culture war post by Berry aimed at winding up people who get wound up by modern life.

    Easter Eggs on New Years Day / It’s not Traditional/ Not like the good old days / I blame the permissive society
    Blimey, you had a long time to try and wriggle out of that, or fess up that you’d mixed up the ‘Not Easter’ Eggs ‘woke’ issue with this one.

    Why would people who are regarded as ‘woke’ be championing the right of Supermarkets to sell Easter Eggs in early January? It doesn’t seem that it should matter either way. You just seem to be writing your own pet hates into it having got the wrong end of the stick, like someone else did with the EU lightbulbs the other day

    The Mirror ran an article moaning about it in mid December & The BBC here quote the Royal Society for Public Health complaining about the practice of early egg sales… so it’s hardly a right wing, culture war, anti woke thing at all

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/shoppers-horror-bm-already-selling-31664712

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-47735108
    It does get difficult when noone has the slightest idea what 'woke' means. Even people who go on about it all the time have completely different examples to offer. Electric cars are 'woke' to many folk but the Blessed Elon wouldn't agree. Frankly if someone on the right fringe of politics decides they don't like Easter eggs in January then that phenomenon automatically becomes woke. To them at least.

    Meanwhile the rest of us, in the real world, haven't got a clue what they are blathering on about.
    Woke can be a bit nebulous but in my head ‘changing something that has been long accepted in order to avoid offending someone else (who isn’t actually offended by said thing)’. For instance the use of Winterval rather than Christmas, so as not to offend non Christians.

    Sometimes the changes are sensible yet still derided as woke. See Batter rather than Batsmen (mainly for womens cricket, but will surely bleed back into mens too).

    I suspect that most people actually do have a sense for what woke means, and the idea that it cannot be easily defined is not really fair. Define pornography?
    In Australia they’ve been calling batsmen ‘batters’ for ages, but they called fielders ‘fieldsmen’ at the same time

    Makes sense to degender those words I think now I think
    Until about 1965 they generally were called just 'bats' in this country. But to save confusion with the implement they were increasingly called 'batsmen.'

    Everything else is in English cricket called 'er' (fielder, bowler, keeper, loser) so the change (which has been officially declared by the MCC) makes sense.

    I'm having difficulty remembering it though.
    I find it difficult to hear the word 'batter' without thinking 'a creamy suspension of flour and water'.
    Your thought process on this seems fishy.
    As in that old fried-fish-house phrase - "Batter up!"
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,866

    ydoethur said:

    isam said:

    The Easter stock went out this week. Not sure why anyone cares. Probably something to

    isam said:

    isam said:

    TimS said:

    isam said:


    isam said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
    Moaning about Christmas stuff being on sale earlier and earlier is traditional.

    There probably graffiti about that at Pompeii.
    Yes, the political correctness gone mad/woke angle is lack of religious narrative on the eggs, not when they go on sale

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1417088/easter-egg-chocolate-easter-news-political-correctness-allyson-stewart-allen

    We’ve crossed the line now where people defending ‘woke’ are caricatures of the Daily Express readers they think they’re mocking
    Remember how builders talking about their feelings made them ”woke builders”? That wasn’t people defending woke, it was the surely-never-a-self-caricature Daily Mail.
    That wasn’t, but the matter we are talking about now seems to be - why would Easter Eggs going on sale in January be woke? Surely the complaint , if there is one, is that it’s crass commercialisation
    Agree, not a woke issue. But what I find strange is that a 'senior' MP thinks it's worth doing a video about Easter eggs at Tesco in January and tweeting it out.
    Mind you, what do I know, given that it's had 2.7M views.
    The “this isn’t about woke” posts by various people are very naive. This is a culture war post by Berry aimed at winding up people who get wound up by modern life.

    Easter Eggs on New Years Day / It’s not Traditional/ Not like the good old days / I blame the permissive society
    Blimey, you had a long time to try and wriggle out of that, or fess up that you’d mixed up the ‘Not Easter’ Eggs ‘woke’ issue with this one.

    Why would people who are regarded as ‘woke’ be championing the right of Supermarkets to sell Easter Eggs in early January? It doesn’t seem that it should matter either way. You just seem to be writing your own pet hates into it having got the wrong end of the stick, like someone else did with the EU lightbulbs the other day

    The Mirror ran an article moaning about it in mid December & The BBC here quote the Royal Society for Public Health complaining about the practice of early egg sales… so it’s hardly a right wing, culture war, anti woke thing at all

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/shoppers-horror-bm-already-selling-31664712

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-47735108
    It does get difficult when noone has the slightest idea what 'woke' means. Even people who go on about it all the time have completely different examples to offer. Electric cars are 'woke' to many folk but the Blessed Elon wouldn't agree. Frankly if someone on the right fringe of politics decides they don't like Easter eggs in January then that phenomenon automatically becomes woke. To them at least.

    Meanwhile the rest of us, in the real world, haven't got a clue what they are blathering on about.
    Woke can be a bit nebulous but in my head ‘changing something that has been long accepted in order to avoid offending someone else (who isn’t actually offended by said thing)’. For instance the use of Winterval rather than Christmas, so as not to offend non Christians.

    Sometimes the changes are sensible yet still derided as woke. See Batter rather than Batsmen (mainly for womens cricket, but will surely bleed back into mens too).

    I suspect that most people actually do have a sense for what woke means, and the idea that it cannot be easily defined is not really fair. Define pornography?
    In Australia they’ve been calling batsmen ‘batters’ for ages, but they called fielders ‘fieldsmen’ at the same time

    Makes sense to degender those words I think now I think
    Until about 1965 they generally were called just 'bats' in this country. But to save confusion with the implement they were increasingly called 'batsmen.'

    Everything else is in English cricket called 'er' (fielder, bowler, keeper, loser) so the change (which has been officially declared by the MCC) makes sense.

    I'm having difficulty remembering it though.
    I find it difficult to hear the word 'batter' without thinking 'a creamy suspension of flour and water'.
    Is this what eternal recurrence is like? We had the batter debate about 2 days ago. (ICYMI Batter is good for you, all its ingredients are fine, and it goes well with fish especially in the west of Scotland but don't eat it all at once).
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,222

    From that guardian site on the darts:

    "Littler has just held throw by taking 132 with two bulls and double 16. There’s nothing left to say."

    Only a shade of odds for the title on Betfair
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    He's only gone and bloody done it.....

    Finals it is.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Bull Bull Double 16 !

    That is insane. How many times has that been done before?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,963
    Littler and Large
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    From that guardian site on the darts:

    "Littler has just held throw by taking 132 with two bulls and double 16. There’s nothing left to say."

    Double 16? Is that some sort of clue?
    Perhaps his new (age-appropriate) girlfriends?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,214

    TimS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Looks like the rain has finally stopped, which is good because about 75% of the roads round here are flooded to some extent.

    This is the new normal.

    Warm and very wet winters.
    I think I'd ban the phrase 'the new normal'. It seems to function as an excuse for spineless politicians and greasy corporates to enforce unpleasant situations on the public with no prospect of abatement.

    We've had a good fiddle with climate this year, banning those maritime fuels, the effect of which was to make temperatures (sea temperatures at any rate) rise significantly. So far I don't think that situation has been reversed or any attempt made to mitigate it, despite various private jet-fuelled junkets. 'Decarbonise' is the only show in town, despite it seeming to have all the impact on climate that housewives donating their pots and pans had on Spitfire production.

    We need creative solutions to optimise the climate, that work quickly, and to be prepared to bug out quickly it they're found not to work. Net Zero is tangential at best in this regard.

    We need geo-engineering solutions to suck carbon back out the atmosphere en-masse, is what we need - and pronto.
    Yes… and that’s why lots of people are working on making these solutions a reality. What I don’t understand is why Luckyguy1983
    keeps posting as if no-one is looking into this.
    The reason large scale geo-engineering isn’t being carried out (yet) is because of simple - and understandable - liability issues.

    Global warming is the archetype of joint and several liability. Every country, every company, every government shares some responsibility and everyone shares in the effects, albeit unevenly. You can’t - despite some efforts - pin the blame on one actor.

    When you geoengineer you create a specific and immediate effect which while predictable at global level is unpredictable at regional level, but provable. So if a nation or bloc decides to geoengineer and that causes drought in region x, they’re going to get sued. Whereas reducing an existing contribution to change, like CO2, NO2 or CH4 is not introducing a new trigger for change, it’s mitigating an existing one.

    As for cutting maritime sulphate emissions, this is what’s known as a termination shock. Still to be definitively proven, but looking likely as a culprit for the sudden jump in North Atlantic temperatures this year. They were hiding the true scale of global warming, by a bit. But those emissions are dirty stuff and are a pretty fixed input - they probably held back warming by around 0.1C, and regionally possibly up to 0.4C. You either go cold turkey now or later.

    Geoengineering solutions will be put into
    place as a last resort if everything else fails.
    This is an utterly indefensible post. When people are being asked effectively to accept a precipitous fall in their living standards and outrageous infringements on their freedoms, you can wave away a huge change in temperature, entirely attributable to human regulatory meddling by the same fuckwits lecturing us about 'the real price of energy' and 'the new normal' and suggest that any solutions to this will be applied 'as a last resort is everything (for which read the impoverishment of the West) else fails'.

    A more cynical person than myself might suspect that policy makers and their corporate sponsors are quite delighted with the temperature increase their meddling has caused - it has created even more lovely alarm around the climate after all.
    Your attitude is I’m afraid indefensible. You are seemingly perfectly at ease with the idea human emissions can and do have major effects on the climate, as you’ve jumped on the impact of sulphate emissions with great gusto, yet remain completely unbothered by - indeed enthusiastically supportive of - continuing the mass experiment of burning through our fossil fuels until the world burns.

    150 years ago you’d have been arguing that regulating mercury dumping into the Mersey was an outrageous infringement on people’s livelihoods.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    "We’ve never seen the like. We’ve never even seen the vaguely reminiscent. Luke Littler has produced the performance of his or anyone else’s life to pulverise a former world champion in brilliant form."

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/live/2024/jan/02/luke-littler-v-rob-cross-pdc-world-darts-championship-semi-finals-live
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,466

    Andy_JS said:

    Part 2 of the Post Office drama has just started.

    I'm not sure I can carry on watching, it's making my blood boil....
    In which case, you had better not read the book, Davey.

    The TV version waters things down quite a bit. The reality is very much worse.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,963
    Pulpstar said:

    Bull Bull Double 16 !

    Pulpstar said:

    Bull Bull Double 16 !

    There were several moments where Criss clearly thought Littler was taking the effing piss - cos he was.

    Then he needed 182. And only just missed 180…
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    algarkirk said:

    The Easter stock went out this week. Not sure why anyone cares. Probably something to

    isam said:

    isam said:

    TimS said:

    isam said:


    isam said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
    Moaning about Christmas stuff being on sale earlier and earlier is traditional.

    There probably graffiti about that at Pompeii.
    Yes, the political correctness gone mad/woke angle is lack of religious narrative on the eggs, not when they go on sale

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1417088/easter-egg-chocolate-easter-news-political-correctness-allyson-stewart-allen

    We’ve crossed the line now where people defending ‘woke’ are caricatures of the Daily Express readers they think they’re mocking
    Remember how builders talking about their feelings made them ”woke builders”? That wasn’t people defending woke, it was the surely-never-a-self-caricature Daily Mail.
    That wasn’t, but the matter we are talking about now seems to be - why would Easter Eggs going on sale in January be woke? Surely the complaint , if there is one, is that it’s crass commercialisation
    Agree, not a woke issue. But what I find strange is that a 'senior' MP thinks it's worth doing a video about Easter eggs at Tesco in January and tweeting it out.
    Mind you, what do I know, given that it's had 2.7M views.
    The “this isn’t about woke” posts by various people are very naive. This is a culture war post by Berry aimed at winding up people who get wound up by modern life.

    Easter Eggs on New Years Day / It’s not Traditional/ Not like the good old days / I blame the permissive society
    Blimey, you had a long time to try and wriggle out of that, or fess up that you’d mixed up the ‘Not Easter’ Eggs ‘woke’ issue with this one.

    Why would people who are regarded as ‘woke’ be championing the right of Supermarkets to sell Easter Eggs in early January? It doesn’t seem that it should matter either way. You just seem to be writing your own pet hates into it having got the wrong end of the stick, like someone else did with the EU lightbulbs the other day

    The Mirror ran an article moaning about it in mid December & The BBC here quote the Royal Society for Public Health complaining about the practice of early egg sales… so it’s hardly a right wing, culture war, anti woke thing at all

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/shoppers-horror-bm-already-selling-31664712

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-47735108
    It does get difficult when noone has the slightest idea what 'woke' means. Even people who go on about it all the time have completely different examples to offer. Electric cars are 'woke' to many folk but the Blessed Elon wouldn't agree. Frankly if someone on the right fringe of politics decides they don't like Easter eggs in January then that phenomenon automatically becomes woke. To them at least.

    Meanwhile the rest of us, in the real world, haven't got a clue what they are blathering on about.
    Woke can be a bit nebulous but in my head ‘changing something that has been long accepted in order to avoid offending someone else (who isn’t actually offended by said thing)’. For instance the use of Winterval rather than Christmas, so as not to offend non Christians.

    Sometimes the changes are sensible yet still derided as woke. See Batter rather than Batsmen (mainly for womens cricket, but will surely bleed back into mens too).

    I suspect that most people actually do have a sense for what woke means, and the idea that it cannot be easily defined is not really fair. Define pornography?
    Woke is obviously hard to define, like 'centre right' or 'liberal'. It's abstract. I would tentatively suggest that it identifies a particular group, who have similarities and overlaps with others.

    These are 9 suggested identifying characteristics of woke, none unique:

    Disdain for difference, apart from specially designated difference
    A group think mindset
    A puritanlike withdrawal from the unwoke or worldly
    A lack of the negative capability to hold, treasure and value uncertainty
    Absolute assurance
    A single issue mindset, accompanied by a denial that this is so
    Moral absolutism
    Sanctions for non compliance
    An intense hatred of the liberal and enlightenment project.
    Woke is hard to define ON PURPOSE. Seeing as how it's a political construct.

    Definition means limitation. Point of "War on Woke" is to include ANYTHING that a voter does NOT like.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,399
    edited January 2
    Prescient...

    "The Israel-Palestine conflict: a brief, simple history", Vox, YouTube 2016(!), 10 mins, see
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRYZjOuUnlU
  • darkage said:

    CatMan said:

    Cancel Culture!!! (Or something)

    "Claudine Gay resigns as Harvard University president"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67868280

    The Republicans are having a lot of success in their 'war on woke' in the Biden presidency , you wonder if a Trump presidency would actually set their cause back.
    Republican THINK they are having a lot of success with Wack War on Woke.

    Evidence for that is bit thinner. For example 2023 elections.

    Virginia 2021 is cited as example of anti-woke winning for GOP. However, when the now-Gov campaigned as pro-education, plenty of voters THOUGHT he meant improving teaching. When what he REALLY meant, was weaponizing school restrooms against trans and homos.

    One reason why GOP failed to win majority in VA legislature in 2023 . . . and the Gov went from future POTUS prospect to just another lame duck.
    It’s worth noting what Sean Trende has said, in part because he was one of the court appointed experts told to redraw the maps for this election. Essentially, the old maps were drawn under the 2011 (I think) rules while this one was under the new map which was easier for the Democrats to hold.

    His bottom line was that the message wasn’t as positive for the Democrats as was being made out but it was clear Youngkin’s message hadn’t produced the big swing he had been looking for to take the legislature.

    If you can bear to look at them, I think one of the conservative websites did an analysis of the individual seats in 2023 v Biden in 2020 and found either no improvement or a swing against.

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,740

    Pulpstar said:

    Bull Bull Double 16 !

    That is insane. How many times has that been done before?
    Ted Hankey won the 2000 championship with triple 20, triple 20, bull. That was quite spectacular.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,950
    Luke Littler through to the final.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,242

    The Easter stock went out this week. Not sure why anyone cares. Probably something to

    isam said:

    isam said:

    TimS said:

    isam said:


    isam said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
    Moaning about Christmas stuff being on sale earlier and earlier is traditional.

    There probably graffiti about that at Pompeii.
    Yes, the political correctness gone mad/woke angle is lack of religious narrative on the eggs, not when they go on sale

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1417088/easter-egg-chocolate-easter-news-political-correctness-allyson-stewart-allen

    We’ve crossed the line now where people defending ‘woke’ are caricatures of the Daily Express readers they think they’re mocking
    Remember how builders talking about their feelings made them ”woke builders”? That wasn’t people defending woke, it was the surely-never-a-self-caricature Daily Mail.
    That wasn’t, but the matter we are talking about now seems to be - why would Easter Eggs going on sale in January be woke? Surely the complaint , if there is one, is that it’s crass commercialisation
    Agree, not a woke issue. But what I find strange is that a 'senior' MP thinks it's worth doing a video about Easter eggs at Tesco in January and tweeting it out.
    Mind you, what do I know, given that it's had 2.7M views.
    The “this isn’t about woke” posts by various people are very naive. This is a culture war post by Berry aimed at winding up people who get wound up by modern life.

    Easter Eggs on New Years Day / It’s not Traditional/ Not like the good old days / I blame the permissive society
    Blimey, you had a long time to try and wriggle out of that, or fess up that you’d mixed up the ‘Not Easter’ Eggs ‘woke’ issue with this one.

    Why would people who are regarded as ‘woke’ be championing the right of Supermarkets to sell Easter Eggs in early January? It doesn’t seem that it should matter either way. You just seem to be writing your own pet hates into it having got the wrong end of the stick, like someone else did with the EU lightbulbs the other day

    The Mirror ran an article moaning about it in mid December & The BBC here quote the Royal Society for Public Health complaining about the practice of early egg sales… so it’s hardly a right wing, culture war, anti woke thing at all

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/shoppers-horror-bm-already-selling-31664712

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-47735108
    It does get difficult when noone has the slightest idea what 'woke' means. Even people who go on about it all the time have completely different examples to offer. Electric cars are 'woke' to many folk but the Blessed Elon wouldn't agree. Frankly if someone on the right fringe of politics decides they don't like Easter eggs in January then that phenomenon automatically becomes woke. To them at least.

    Meanwhile the rest of us, in the real world, haven't got a clue what they are blathering on about.
    Things aren't woke; people are woke. The whole point is to disparage people with progressive ideas you disapprove of. Play the man, not the ball.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937

    Pulpstar said:

    Bull Bull Double 16 !

    Pulpstar said:

    Bull Bull Double 16 !

    There were several moments where Criss clearly thought Littler was taking the effing piss - cos he was.

    Then he needed 182. And only just missed 180…
    There is an inexplicable joy in getting 180.

    First time I did it, I remember I had a couple of cream crackers with Primula cheese in my other hand!
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,963
    The Premier League could break the boy.

    As for why he is a chunky chappy, why do you think? He already spends a fair bit of time on the road.

    Too much hotel food is why.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,399
    isam said:

    The Easter stock went out this week. Not sure why anyone cares. Probably something to

    isam said:

    isam said:

    TimS said:

    isam said:


    isam said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
    Moaning about Christmas stuff being on sale earlier and earlier is traditional.

    There probably graffiti about that at Pompeii.
    Yes, the political correctness gone mad/woke angle is lack of religious narrative on the eggs, not when they go on sale

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1417088/easter-egg-chocolate-easter-news-political-correctness-allyson-stewart-allen

    We’ve crossed the line now where people defending ‘woke’ are caricatures of the Daily Express readers they think they’re mocking
    Remember how builders talking about their feelings made them ”woke builders”? That wasn’t people defending woke, it was the surely-never-a-self-caricature Daily Mail.
    That wasn’t, but the matter we are talking about now seems to be - why would Easter Eggs going on sale in January be woke? Surely the complaint , if there is one, is that it’s crass commercialisation
    Agree, not a woke issue. But what I find strange is that a 'senior' MP thinks it's worth doing a video about Easter eggs at Tesco in January and tweeting it out.
    Mind you, what do I know, given that it's had 2.7M views.
    The “this isn’t about woke” posts by various people are very naive. This is a culture war post by Berry aimed at winding up people who get wound up by modern life.

    Easter Eggs on New Years Day / It’s not Traditional/ Not like the good old days / I blame the permissive society
    Blimey, you had a long time to try and wriggle out of that, or fess up that you’d mixed up the ‘Not Easter’ Eggs ‘woke’ issue with this one.

    Why would people who are regarded as ‘woke’ be championing the right of Supermarkets to sell Easter Eggs in early January? It doesn’t seem that it should matter either way. You just seem to be writing your own pet hates into it having got the wrong end of the stick, like someone else did with the EU lightbulbs the other day

    The Mirror ran an article moaning about it in mid December & The BBC here quote the Royal Society for Public Health complaining about the practice of early egg sales… so it’s hardly a right wing, culture war, anti woke thing at all

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/shoppers-horror-bm-already-selling-31664712

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-47735108
    It does get difficult when noone has the slightest idea what 'woke' means. Even people who go on about it all the time have completely different examples to offer. Electric cars are 'woke' to many folk but the Blessed Elon wouldn't agree. Frankly if someone on the right fringe of politics decides they don't like Easter eggs in January then that phenomenon automatically becomes woke. To them at least.

    Meanwhile the rest of us, in the real world, haven't got a clue what they are blathering on about.
    Woke can be a bit nebulous but in my head ‘changing something that has been long accepted in order to avoid offending someone else (who isn’t actually offended by said thing)’. For instance the use of Winterval rather than Christmas, so as not to offend non Christians.

    Sometimes the changes are sensible yet still derided as woke. See Batter rather than Batsmen (mainly for womens cricket, but will surely bleed back into mens too).

    I suspect that most people actually do have a sense for what woke means, and the idea that it cannot be easily defined is not really fair. Define pornography?
    In Australia they’ve been calling batsmen ‘batters’ for ages, but they called fielders ‘fieldsmen’ at the same time

    Makes sense to degender those words I think now I think
    "Firemen" was generalised to "firefighters" as far back as (I think) the Noughties. See also "flight attendant" instead of "stewardess". I don't know if "actor" instead of "actress" is winning...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,128
    algarkirk said:

    The Easter stock went out this week. Not sure why anyone cares. Probably something to

    isam said:

    isam said:

    TimS said:

    isam said:


    isam said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
    Moaning about Christmas stuff being on sale earlier and earlier is traditional.

    There probably graffiti about that at Pompeii.
    Yes, the political correctness gone mad/woke angle is lack of religious narrative on the eggs, not when they go on sale

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1417088/easter-egg-chocolate-easter-news-political-correctness-allyson-stewart-allen

    We’ve crossed the line now where people defending ‘woke’ are caricatures of the Daily Express readers they think they’re mocking
    Remember how builders talking about their feelings made them ”woke builders”? That wasn’t people defending woke, it was the surely-never-a-self-caricature Daily Mail.
    That wasn’t, but the matter we are talking about now seems to be - why would Easter Eggs going on sale in January be woke? Surely the complaint , if there is one, is that it’s crass commercialisation
    Agree, not a woke issue. But what I find strange is that a 'senior' MP thinks it's worth doing a video about Easter eggs at Tesco in January and tweeting it out.
    Mind you, what do I know, given that it's had 2.7M views.
    The “this isn’t about woke” posts by various people are very naive. This is a culture war post by Berry aimed at winding up people who get wound up by modern life.

    Easter Eggs on New Years Day / It’s not Traditional/ Not like the good old days / I blame the permissive society
    Blimey, you had a long time to try and wriggle out of that, or fess up that you’d mixed up the ‘Not Easter’ Eggs ‘woke’ issue with this one.

    Why would people who are regarded as ‘woke’ be championing the right of Supermarkets to sell Easter Eggs in early January? It doesn’t seem that it should matter either way. You just seem to be writing your own pet hates into it having got the wrong end of the stick, like someone else did with the EU lightbulbs the other day

    The Mirror ran an article moaning about it in mid December & The BBC here quote the Royal Society for Public Health complaining about the practice of early egg sales… so it’s hardly a right wing, culture war, anti woke thing at all

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/shoppers-horror-bm-already-selling-31664712

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-47735108
    It does get difficult when noone has the slightest idea what 'woke' means. Even people who go on about it all the time have completely different examples to offer. Electric cars are 'woke' to many folk but the Blessed Elon wouldn't agree. Frankly if someone on the right fringe of politics decides they don't like Easter eggs in January then that phenomenon automatically becomes woke. To them at least.

    Meanwhile the rest of us, in the real world, haven't got a clue what they are blathering on about.
    Woke can be a bit nebulous but in my head ‘changing something that has been long accepted in order to avoid offending someone else (who isn’t actually offended by said thing)’. For instance the use of Winterval rather than Christmas, so as not to offend non Christians.

    Sometimes the changes are sensible yet still derided as woke. See Batter rather than Batsmen (mainly for womens cricket, but will surely bleed back into mens too).

    I suspect that most people actually do have a sense for what woke means, and the idea that it cannot be easily defined is not really fair. Define pornography?
    Woke is obviously hard to define, like 'centre right' or 'liberal'. It's abstract. I would tentatively suggest that it identifies a particular group, who have similarities and overlaps with others.

    These are 9 suggested identifying characteristics of woke, none unique:

    Disdain for difference, apart from specially designated difference
    A group think mindset
    A puritanlike withdrawal from the unwoke or worldly
    A lack of the negative capability to hold, treasure and value uncertainty
    Absolute assurance
    A single issue mindset, accompanied by a denial that this is so
    Moral absolutism
    Sanctions for non compliance
    An intense hatred of the liberal and enlightenment project.
    Surely all of these are equally true of all the Wokefinder generals.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    While you are cheering . . . the seamy underbelly of Big-Time Darts . . .

    The US Sun - AIM AND SHAME Darts’ most jaw-dropping scandals as World Championship begins – including hotel sexting shock and infamous ‘fart-gate’
    One married star was caught snogging a woman half his age in a hotel lobby

    https://www.the-sun.com/sport/9877501/darts-biggest-scandals-world-championships/
  • ydoethur said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Bull Bull Double 16 !

    That is insane. How many times has that been done before?
    Ted Hankey won the 2000 championship with triple 20, triple 20, bull. That was quite spectacular.
    That’s great, although (personally) I think two bulls and then a double is somewhat more impressive just given the amount of ‘practice’ people have in going for triple 20 as opposed to the Bull.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,214

    Pulpstar said:

    Bull Bull Double 16 !

    Pulpstar said:

    Bull Bull Double 16 !

    There were several moments where Criss clearly thought Littler was taking the effing piss - cos he was.

    Then he needed 182. And only just missed 180…
    Hollywood requires that someone in Mi6 / the SAS / some shady military unit we know nothing of spots this chap and realises he is the only person in the country who might - just - be able to save us from a new Russian super-weapon / alien attack / killer bug that can only be defeated by pinpoint accurate throws of a sharp arrow shaped object on to a rapidly changing target. At first he resists, he’s enjoying the adulation of his darts success, but eventually and inevitably he heeds the call. The future of humankind rests on his aim.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,963

    Pulpstar said:

    Bull Bull Double 16 !

    Pulpstar said:

    Bull Bull Double 16 !

    There were several moments where Criss clearly thought Littler was taking the effing piss - cos he was.

    Then he needed 182. And only just missed 180…
    There is an inexplicable joy in getting 180.

    First time I did it, I remember I had a couple of cream crackers with Primula cheese in my other hand!
    I’ve done 140. And that was a fluke.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,475
    algarkirk said:

    The Easter stock went out this week. Not sure why anyone cares. Probably something to

    isam said:

    isam said:

    TimS said:

    isam said:


    isam said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
    Moaning about Christmas stuff being on sale earlier and earlier is traditional.

    There probably graffiti about that at Pompeii.
    Yes, the political correctness gone mad/woke angle is lack of religious narrative on the eggs, not when they go on sale

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1417088/easter-egg-chocolate-easter-news-political-correctness-allyson-stewart-allen

    We’ve crossed the line now where people defending ‘woke’ are caricatures of the Daily Express readers they think they’re mocking
    Remember how builders talking about their feelings made them ”woke builders”? That wasn’t people defending woke, it was the surely-never-a-self-caricature Daily Mail.
    That wasn’t, but the matter we are talking about now seems to be - why would Easter Eggs going on sale in January be woke? Surely the complaint , if there is one, is that it’s crass commercialisation
    Agree, not a woke issue. But what I find strange is that a 'senior' MP thinks it's worth doing a video about Easter eggs at Tesco in January and tweeting it out.
    Mind you, what do I know, given that it's had 2.7M views.
    The “this isn’t about woke” posts by various people are very naive. This is a culture war post by Berry aimed at winding up people who get wound up by modern life.

    Easter Eggs on New Years Day / It’s not Traditional/ Not like the good old days / I blame the permissive society
    Blimey, you had a long time to try and wriggle out of that, or fess up that you’d mixed up the ‘Not Easter’ Eggs ‘woke’ issue with this one.

    Why would people who are regarded as ‘woke’ be championing the right of Supermarkets to sell Easter Eggs in early January? It doesn’t seem that it should matter either way. You just seem to be writing your own pet hates into it having got the wrong end of the stick, like someone else did with the EU lightbulbs the other day

    The Mirror ran an article moaning about it in mid December & The BBC here quote the Royal Society for Public Health complaining about the practice of early egg sales… so it’s hardly a right wing, culture war, anti woke thing at all

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/shoppers-horror-bm-already-selling-31664712

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-47735108
    It does get difficult when noone has the slightest idea what 'woke' means. Even people who go on about it all the time have completely different examples to offer. Electric cars are 'woke' to many folk but the Blessed Elon wouldn't agree. Frankly if someone on the right fringe of politics decides they don't like Easter eggs in January then that phenomenon automatically becomes woke. To them at least.

    Meanwhile the rest of us, in the real world, haven't got a clue what they are blathering on about.
    Woke can be a bit nebulous but in my head ‘changing something that has been long accepted in order to avoid offending someone else (who isn’t actually offended by said thing)’. For instance the use of Winterval rather than Christmas, so as not to offend non Christians.

    Sometimes the changes are sensible yet still derided as woke. See Batter rather than Batsmen (mainly for womens cricket, but will surely bleed back into mens too).

    I suspect that most people actually do have a sense for what woke means, and the idea that it cannot be easily defined is not really fair. Define pornography?
    Woke is obviously hard to define, like 'centre right' or 'liberal'. It's abstract. I would tentatively suggest that it identifies a particular group, who have similarities and overlaps with others.

    These are 9 suggested identifying characteristics of woke, none unique:

    Disdain for difference, apart from specially designated difference
    A group think mindset
    A puritanlike withdrawal from the unwoke or worldly
    A lack of the negative capability to hold, treasure and value uncertainty
    Absolute assurance
    A single issue mindset, accompanied by a denial that this is so
    Moral absolutism
    Sanctions for non compliance
    An intense hatred of the liberal and enlightenment project.
    So that settles it then.
    Goalkeepers playing short to the centre back is definitely woke.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,963

    While you are cheering . . . the seamy underbelly of Big-Time Darts . . .

    The US Sun - AIM AND SHAME Darts’ most jaw-dropping scandals as World Championship begins – including hotel sexting shock and infamous ‘fart-gate’
    One married star was caught snogging a woman half his age in a hotel lobby

    https://www.the-sun.com/sport/9877501/darts-biggest-scandals-world-championships/

    I know it’s been decades. But the boycott needs to continue on The S*n.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,466
    Foxy said:

    algarkirk said:

    The Easter stock went out this week. Not sure why anyone cares. Probably something to

    isam said:

    isam said:

    TimS said:

    isam said:


    isam said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
    Moaning about Christmas stuff being on sale earlier and earlier is traditional.

    There probably graffiti about that at Pompeii.
    Yes, the political correctness gone mad/woke angle is lack of religious narrative on the eggs, not when they go on sale

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1417088/easter-egg-chocolate-easter-news-political-correctness-allyson-stewart-allen

    We’ve crossed the line now where people defending ‘woke’ are caricatures of the Daily Express readers they think they’re mocking
    Remember how builders talking about their feelings made them ”woke builders”? That wasn’t people defending woke, it was the surely-never-a-self-caricature Daily Mail.
    That wasn’t, but the matter we are talking about now seems to be - why would Easter Eggs going on sale in January be woke? Surely the complaint , if there is one, is that it’s crass commercialisation
    Agree, not a woke issue. But what I find strange is that a 'senior' MP thinks it's worth doing a video about Easter eggs at Tesco in January and tweeting it out.
    Mind you, what do I know, given that it's had 2.7M views.
    The “this isn’t about woke” posts by various people are very naive. This is a culture war post by Berry aimed at winding up people who get wound up by modern life.

    Easter Eggs on New Years Day / It’s not Traditional/ Not like the good old days / I blame the permissive society
    Blimey, you had a long time to try and wriggle out of that, or fess up that you’d mixed up the ‘Not Easter’ Eggs ‘woke’ issue with this one.

    Why would people who are regarded as ‘woke’ be championing the right of Supermarkets to sell Easter Eggs in early January? It doesn’t seem that it should matter either way. You just seem to be writing your own pet hates into it having got the wrong end of the stick, like someone else did with the EU lightbulbs the other day

    The Mirror ran an article moaning about it in mid December & The BBC here quote the Royal Society for Public Health complaining about the practice of early egg sales… so it’s hardly a right wing, culture war, anti woke thing at all

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/shoppers-horror-bm-already-selling-31664712

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-47735108
    It does get difficult when noone has the slightest idea what 'woke' means. Even people who go on about it all the time have completely different examples to offer. Electric cars are 'woke' to many folk but the Blessed Elon wouldn't agree. Frankly if someone on the right fringe of politics decides they don't like Easter eggs in January then that phenomenon automatically becomes woke. To them at least.

    Meanwhile the rest of us, in the real world, haven't got a clue what they are blathering on about.
    Woke can be a bit nebulous but in my head ‘changing something that has been long accepted in order to avoid offending someone else (who isn’t actually offended by said thing)’. For instance the use of Winterval rather than Christmas, so as not to offend non Christians.

    Sometimes the changes are sensible yet still derided as woke. See Batter rather than Batsmen (mainly for womens cricket, but will surely bleed back into mens too).

    I suspect that most people actually do have a sense for what woke means, and the idea that it cannot be easily defined is not really fair. Define pornography?
    Woke is obviously hard to define, like 'centre right' or 'liberal'. It's abstract. I would tentatively suggest that it identifies a particular group, who have similarities and overlaps with others.

    These are 9 suggested identifying characteristics of woke, none unique:

    Disdain for difference, apart from specially designated difference
    A group think mindset
    A puritanlike withdrawal from the unwoke or worldly
    A lack of the negative capability to hold, treasure and value uncertainty
    Absolute assurance
    A single issue mindset, accompanied by a denial that this is so
    Moral absolutism
    Sanctions for non compliance
    An intense hatred of the liberal and enlightenment project.
    Surely all of these are equally true of all the Wokefinder generals.
    i agree with all these, but they can all be summarised by the single simple attribute of laziness in thinking.

    Woke dodges all that tedious business of thinking seriously or in depth about anything. It's as simple as that.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    viewcode said:

    isam said:

    The Easter stock went out this week. Not sure why anyone cares. Probably something to

    isam said:

    isam said:

    TimS said:

    isam said:


    isam said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
    Moaning about Christmas stuff being on sale earlier and earlier is traditional.

    There probably graffiti about that at Pompeii.
    Yes, the political correctness gone mad/woke angle is lack of religious narrative on the eggs, not when they go on sale

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1417088/easter-egg-chocolate-easter-news-political-correctness-allyson-stewart-allen

    We’ve crossed the line now where people defending ‘woke’ are caricatures of the Daily Express readers they think they’re mocking
    Remember how builders talking about their feelings made them ”woke builders”? That wasn’t people defending woke, it was the surely-never-a-self-caricature Daily Mail.
    That wasn’t, but the matter we are talking about now seems to be - why would Easter Eggs going on sale in January be woke? Surely the complaint , if there is one, is that it’s crass commercialisation
    Agree, not a woke issue. But what I find strange is that a 'senior' MP thinks it's worth doing a video about Easter eggs at Tesco in January and tweeting it out.
    Mind you, what do I know, given that it's had 2.7M views.
    The “this isn’t about woke” posts by various people are very naive. This is a culture war post by Berry aimed at winding up people who get wound up by modern life.

    Easter Eggs on New Years Day / It’s not Traditional/ Not like the good old days / I blame the permissive society
    Blimey, you had a long time to try and wriggle out of that, or fess up that you’d mixed up the ‘Not Easter’ Eggs ‘woke’ issue with this one.

    Why would people who are regarded as ‘woke’ be championing the right of Supermarkets to sell Easter Eggs in early January? It doesn’t seem that it should matter either way. You just seem to be writing your own pet hates into it having got the wrong end of the stick, like someone else did with the EU lightbulbs the other day

    The Mirror ran an article moaning about it in mid December & The BBC here quote the Royal Society for Public Health complaining about the practice of early egg sales… so it’s hardly a right wing, culture war, anti woke thing at all

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/shoppers-horror-bm-already-selling-31664712

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-47735108
    It does get difficult when noone has the slightest idea what 'woke' means. Even people who go on about it all the time have completely different examples to offer. Electric cars are 'woke' to many folk but the Blessed Elon wouldn't agree. Frankly if someone on the right fringe of politics decides they don't like Easter eggs in January then that phenomenon automatically becomes woke. To them at least.

    Meanwhile the rest of us, in the real world, haven't got a clue what they are blathering on about.
    Woke can be a bit nebulous but in my head ‘changing something that has been long accepted in order to avoid offending someone else (who isn’t actually offended by said thing)’. For instance the use of Winterval rather than Christmas, so as not to offend non Christians.

    Sometimes the changes are sensible yet still derided as woke. See Batter rather than Batsmen (mainly for womens cricket, but will surely bleed back into mens too).

    I suspect that most people actually do have a sense for what woke means, and the idea that it cannot be easily defined is not really fair. Define pornography?
    In Australia they’ve been calling batsmen ‘batters’ for ages, but they called fielders ‘fieldsmen’ at the same time

    Makes sense to degender those words I think now I think
    "Firemen" was generalised to "firefighters" as far back as (I think) the Noughties. See also "flight attendant" instead of "stewardess". I don't know if "actor" instead of "actress" is winning...
    An example of me getting annoyed with ‘woke’ is the change from ‘Fireman Sam’ to ‘Rescue Team’ in the theme tune!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,123
    viewcode said:

    isam said:

    The Easter stock went out this week. Not sure why anyone cares. Probably something to

    isam said:

    isam said:

    TimS said:

    isam said:


    isam said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
    Moaning about Christmas stuff being on sale earlier and earlier is traditional.

    There probably graffiti about that at Pompeii.
    Yes, the political correctness gone mad/woke angle is lack of religious narrative on the eggs, not when they go on sale

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1417088/easter-egg-chocolate-easter-news-political-correctness-allyson-stewart-allen

    We’ve crossed the line now where people defending ‘woke’ are caricatures of the Daily Express readers they think they’re mocking
    Remember how builders talking about their feelings made them ”woke builders”? That wasn’t people defending woke, it was the surely-never-a-self-caricature Daily Mail.
    That wasn’t, but the matter we are talking about now seems to be - why would Easter Eggs going on sale in January be woke? Surely the complaint , if there is one, is that it’s crass commercialisation
    Agree, not a woke issue. But what I find strange is that a 'senior' MP thinks it's worth doing a video about Easter eggs at Tesco in January and tweeting it out.
    Mind you, what do I know, given that it's had 2.7M views.
    The “this isn’t about woke” posts by various people are very naive. This is a culture war post by Berry aimed at winding up people who get wound up by modern life.

    Easter Eggs on New Years Day / It’s not Traditional/ Not like the good old days / I blame the permissive society
    Blimey, you had a long time to try and wriggle out of that, or fess up that you’d mixed up the ‘Not Easter’ Eggs ‘woke’ issue with this one.

    Why would people who are regarded as ‘woke’ be championing the right of Supermarkets to sell Easter Eggs in early January? It doesn’t seem that it should matter either way. You just seem to be writing your own pet hates into it having got the wrong end of the stick, like someone else did with the EU lightbulbs the other day

    The Mirror ran an article moaning about it in mid December & The BBC here quote the Royal Society for Public Health complaining about the practice of early egg sales… so it’s hardly a right wing, culture war, anti woke thing at all

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/shoppers-horror-bm-already-selling-31664712

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-47735108
    It does get difficult when noone has the slightest idea what 'woke' means. Even people who go on about it all the time have completely different examples to offer. Electric cars are 'woke' to many folk but the Blessed Elon wouldn't agree. Frankly if someone on the right fringe of politics decides they don't like Easter eggs in January then that phenomenon automatically becomes woke. To them at least.

    Meanwhile the rest of us, in the real world, haven't got a clue what they are blathering on about.
    Woke can be a bit nebulous but in my head ‘changing something that has been long accepted in order to avoid offending someone else (who isn’t actually offended by said thing)’. For instance the use of Winterval rather than Christmas, so as not to offend non Christians.

    Sometimes the changes are sensible yet still derided as woke. See Batter rather than Batsmen (mainly for womens cricket, but will surely bleed back into mens too).

    I suspect that most people actually do have a sense for what woke means, and the idea that it cannot be easily defined is not really fair. Define pornography?
    In Australia they’ve been calling batsmen ‘batters’ for ages, but they called fielders ‘fieldsmen’ at the same time

    Makes sense to degender those words I think now I think
    "Firemen" was generalised to "firefighters" as far back as (I think) the Noughties. See also "flight attendant" instead of "stewardess". I don't know if "actor" instead of "actress" is winning...
    "Oh, stewardess, stewardess? What's the in-flight movie today?"
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,475
    106.2 average.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,963
    Woke = not reactionary. And as reactionary politicians seek to incite reaction for votes, it’s no surprise they dislike those resistant.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,839
    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Looks like the rain has finally stopped, which is good because about 75% of the roads round here are flooded to some extent.

    This is the new normal.

    Warm and very wet winters.
    I think I'd ban the phrase 'the new normal'. It seems to function as an excuse for spineless politicians and greasy corporates to enforce unpleasant situations on the public with no prospect of abatement.

    We've had a good fiddle with climate this year, banning those maritime fuels, the effect of which was to make temperatures (sea temperatures at any rate) rise significantly. So far I don't think that situation has been reversed or any attempt made to mitigate it, despite various private jet-fuelled junkets. 'Decarbonise' is the only show in town, despite it seeming to have all the impact on climate that housewives donating their pots and pans had on Spitfire production.

    We need creative solutions to optimise the climate, that work quickly, and to be prepared to bug out quickly it they're found not to work. Net Zero is tangential at best in this regard.

    We need geo-engineering solutions to suck carbon back out the atmosphere en-masse, is what we need - and pronto.
    Yes… and that’s why lots of people are working on making these solutions a reality. What I don’t understand is why Luckyguy1983
    keeps posting as if no-one is looking into this.
    The reason large scale geo-engineering isn’t being carried out (yet) is because of simple - and understandable - liability issues.

    Global warming is the archetype of joint and several liability. Every country, every company, every government shares some responsibility and everyone shares in the effects, albeit unevenly. You can’t - despite some efforts - pin the blame on one actor.

    When you geoengineer you create a specific and immediate effect which while predictable at global level is unpredictable at regional level, but provable. So if a nation or bloc decides to geoengineer and that causes drought in region x, they’re going to get sued. Whereas reducing an existing contribution to change, like CO2, NO2 or CH4 is not introducing a new trigger for change, it’s mitigating an existing one.

    As for cutting maritime sulphate emissions, this is what’s known as a termination shock. Still to be definitively proven, but looking likely as a culprit for the sudden jump in North Atlantic temperatures this year. They were hiding the true scale of global warming, by a bit. But those emissions are dirty stuff and are a pretty fixed input - they probably held back warming by around 0.1C, and regionally possibly up to 0.4C. You either go cold turkey now or later.

    Geoengineering solutions will be put into
    place as a last resort if everything else fails.
    This is an utterly indefensible post. When people are being asked effectively to accept a precipitous fall in their living standards and outrageous infringements on their freedoms, you can wave away a huge change in temperature, entirely attributable to human regulatory meddling by the same fuckwits lecturing us about 'the real price of energy' and 'the new normal' and suggest that any solutions to this will be applied 'as a last resort is everything (for which read the impoverishment of the West) else fails'.

    A more cynical person than myself might suspect that policy makers and their corporate sponsors are quite delighted with the temperature increase their meddling has caused - it has created even more lovely alarm around the climate after all.
    Your attitude is I’m afraid indefensible. You are seemingly perfectly at ease with the idea human emissions can and do have major effects on the climate, as you’ve jumped on the impact of sulphate emissions with great gusto, yet remain completely unbothered by - indeed enthusiastically supportive of - continuing the mass experiment of burning through our fossil fuels until the world burns.

    150 years ago you’d have been arguing that regulating mercury dumping into the Mersey was an outrageous infringement on people’s livelihoods.
    Irrelevant twaddle. You insist that the UK must grind to an economical standstill in order to repair the damage caused by 1% of global manmade carbon emissions, which themselves comprise 2% of the whole. Yet you wave away a momumental regulatory cock up that has caused significant *actual* warming as 'going cold Turkey'.

    People have gone to quite a dark psychological place when they care less about actual warming than they do about enforcing the privations they claim are about the warming on people. I hope they get the help and support they clearly need.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited January 2
    Is ‘triple 20’ woke??? In my day we called ‘em trebles
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,214
    The woke debate is more evidence of the culture wars being one lot deriding the other lot’s nutters, and concluding all the other lot are therefore nutters. Everyone’s at it.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    darkage said:

    CatMan said:

    Cancel Culture!!! (Or something)

    "Claudine Gay resigns as Harvard University president"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67868280

    The Republicans are having a lot of success in their 'war on woke' in the Biden presidency , you wonder if a Trump presidency would actually set their cause back.
    Republican THINK they are having a lot of success with Wack War on Woke.

    Evidence for that is bit thinner. For example 2023 elections.

    Virginia 2021 is cited as example of anti-woke winning for GOP. However, when the now-Gov campaigned as pro-education, plenty of voters THOUGHT he meant improving teaching. When what he REALLY meant, was weaponizing school restrooms against trans and homos.

    One reason why GOP failed to win majority in VA legislature in 2023 . . . and the Gov went from future POTUS prospect to just another lame duck.
    It’s worth noting what Sean Trende has said, in part because he was one of the court appointed experts told to redraw the maps for this election. Essentially, the old maps were drawn under the 2011 (I think) rules while this one was under the new map which was easier for the Democrats to hold.

    His bottom line was that the message wasn’t as positive for the Democrats as was being made out but it was clear Youngkin’s message hadn’t produced the big swing he had been looking for to take the legislature.

    If you can bear to look at them, I think one of the conservative websites did an analysis of the individual seats in 2023 v Biden in 2020 and found either no improvement or a swing against.

    You (or rather your source) makes several good points.

    Which underline the folly of VA Gov. Glenn Youngkin in raising expectations the way he & his minions did.

    ALMOST as stupid as the Democrats who engineered nomination that clapped-out Clinton, former Gov Terry McAuliffe, to run against him in 2021.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    If he wins tomorrow, he'll be ranked 9th in the world.

    On his debut.

    Extraordinary.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    …..
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,319
    dixiedean said:

    106.2 average.

    It'll be the end of darts as we know it. Eventually all the players will be so good the outcome will be determined by whoever goes first, like draughts. It may be necessary to make the board smaller, or further away, or introduce a random element like weather.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937

    Pulpstar said:

    Bull Bull Double 16 !

    Pulpstar said:

    Bull Bull Double 16 !

    There were several moments where Criss clearly thought Littler was taking the effing piss - cos he was.

    Then he needed 182. And only just missed 180…
    There is an inexplicable joy in getting 180.

    First time I did it, I remember I had a couple of cream crackers with Primula cheese in my other hand!
    I’ve done 140. And that was a fluke.
    I had a very odd style. Used to throw from about 2 feet behind the oche. It was just what worked for me.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,805

    dixiedean said:

    106.2 average.

    It'll be the end of darts as we know it. Eventually all the players will be so good the outcome will be determined by whoever goes first, like draughts. It may be necessary to make the board smaller, or further away, or introduce a random element like weather.
    A rotating board would add to the fun.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,128
    dixiedean said:

    algarkirk said:

    The Easter stock went out this week. Not sure why anyone cares. Probably something to

    isam said:

    isam said:

    TimS said:

    isam said:


    isam said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
    Moaning about Christmas stuff being on sale earlier and earlier is traditional.

    There probably graffiti about that at Pompeii.
    Yes, the political correctness gone mad/woke angle is lack of religious narrative on the eggs, not when they go on sale

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1417088/easter-egg-chocolate-easter-news-political-correctness-allyson-stewart-allen

    We’ve crossed the line now where people defending ‘woke’ are caricatures of the Daily Express readers they think they’re mocking
    Remember how builders talking about their feelings made them ”woke builders”? That wasn’t people defending woke, it was the surely-never-a-self-caricature Daily Mail.
    That wasn’t, but the matter we are talking about now seems to be - why would Easter Eggs going on sale in January be woke? Surely the complaint , if there is one, is that it’s crass commercialisation
    Agree, not a woke issue. But what I find strange is that a 'senior' MP thinks it's worth doing a video about Easter eggs at Tesco in January and tweeting it out.
    Mind you, what do I know, given that it's had 2.7M views.
    The “this isn’t about woke” posts by various people are very naive. This is a culture war post by Berry aimed at winding up people who get wound up by modern life.

    Easter Eggs on New Years Day / It’s not Traditional/ Not like the good old days / I blame the permissive society
    Blimey, you had a long time to try and wriggle out of that, or fess up that you’d mixed up the ‘Not Easter’ Eggs ‘woke’ issue with this one.

    Why would people who are regarded as ‘woke’ be championing the right of Supermarkets to sell Easter Eggs in early January? It doesn’t seem that it should matter either way. You just seem to be writing your own pet hates into it having got the wrong end of the stick, like someone else did with the EU lightbulbs the other day

    The Mirror ran an article moaning about it in mid December & The BBC here quote the Royal Society for Public Health complaining about the practice of early egg sales… so it’s hardly a right wing, culture war, anti woke thing at all

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/shoppers-horror-bm-already-selling-31664712

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-47735108
    It does get difficult when noone has the slightest idea what 'woke' means. Even people who go on about it all the time have completely different examples to offer. Electric cars are 'woke' to many folk but the Blessed Elon wouldn't agree. Frankly if someone on the right fringe of politics decides they don't like Easter eggs in January then that phenomenon automatically becomes woke. To them at least.

    Meanwhile the rest of us, in the real world, haven't got a clue what they are blathering on about.
    Woke can be a bit nebulous but in my head ‘changing something that has been long accepted in order to avoid offending someone else (who isn’t actually offended by said thing)’. For instance the use of Winterval rather than Christmas, so as not to offend non Christians.

    Sometimes the changes are sensible yet still derided as woke. See Batter rather than Batsmen (mainly for womens cricket, but will surely bleed back into mens too).

    I suspect that most people actually do have a sense for what woke means, and the idea that it cannot be easily defined is not really fair. Define pornography?
    Woke is obviously hard to define, like 'centre right' or 'liberal'. It's abstract. I would tentatively suggest that it identifies a particular group, who have similarities and overlaps with others.

    These are 9 suggested identifying characteristics of woke, none unique:

    Disdain for difference, apart from specially designated difference
    A group think mindset
    A puritanlike withdrawal from the unwoke or worldly
    A lack of the negative capability to hold, treasure and value uncertainty
    Absolute assurance
    A single issue mindset, accompanied by a denial that this is so
    Moral absolutism
    Sanctions for non compliance
    An intense hatred of the liberal and enlightenment project.
    So that settles it then.
    Goalkeepers playing short to the centre back is definitely woke.
    As if they didn't have to create a special rule to prevent back passes in the olden days, banning the goal keeper from picking up the ball, and leading to the rise of the ball playing sweeper-keeper.

    Very much the style of play at Leicester now. Mads Hermansen was a great signing. Still makes me nervous to see defenders passing between themselves and the goalie to invite pressure and to suck the opposition out of position.

  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,214

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Looks like the rain has finally stopped, which is good because about 75% of the roads round here are flooded to some extent.

    This is the new normal.

    Warm and very wet winters.
    I think I'd ban the phrase 'the new normal'. It seems to function as an excuse for spineless politicians and greasy corporates to enforce unpleasant situations on the public with no prospect of abatement.

    We've had a good fiddle with climate this year, banning those maritime fuels, the effect of which was to make temperatures (sea temperatures at any rate) rise significantly. So far I don't think that situation has been reversed or any attempt made to mitigate it, despite various private jet-fuelled junkets. 'Decarbonise' is the only show in town, despite it seeming to have all the impact on climate that housewives donating their pots and pans had on Spitfire production.

    We need creative solutions to optimise the climate, that work quickly, and to be prepared to bug out quickly it they're found not to work. Net Zero is tangential at best in this regard.

    We need geo-engineering solutions to suck carbon back out the atmosphere en-masse, is what we need - and pronto.
    Yes… and that’s why lots of people are working on making these solutions a reality. What I don’t understand is why Luckyguy1983
    keeps posting as if no-one is looking into this.
    The reason large scale geo-engineering isn’t being carried out (yet) is because of simple - and understandable - liability issues.

    Global warming is the archetype of joint and several liability. Every country, every company, every government shares some responsibility and everyone shares in the effects, albeit unevenly. You can’t - despite some efforts - pin the blame on one actor.

    When you geoengineer you create a specific and immediate effect which while predictable at global level is unpredictable at regional level, but provable. So if a nation or bloc decides to geoengineer and that causes drought in region x, they’re going to get sued. Whereas reducing an existing contribution to change, like CO2, NO2 or CH4 is not introducing a new trigger for change, it’s mitigating an existing one.

    As for cutting maritime sulphate emissions, this is what’s known as a termination shock. Still to be definitively proven, but looking likely as a culprit for the sudden jump in North Atlantic temperatures this year. They were hiding the true scale of global warming, by a bit. But those emissions are dirty stuff and are a pretty fixed input - they probably held back warming by around 0.1C, and regionally possibly up to 0.4C. You either go cold turkey now or later.

    Geoengineering solutions will be put into
    place as a last resort if everything else fails.
    This is an utterly indefensible post. When people are being asked effectively to accept a precipitous fall in their living standards and outrageous infringements on their freedoms, you can wave away a huge change in temperature, entirely attributable to human regulatory meddling by the same fuckwits lecturing us about 'the real price of energy' and 'the new normal' and suggest that any solutions to this will be applied 'as a last resort is everything (for which read the impoverishment of the West) else fails'.

    A more cynical person than myself might suspect that policy makers and their corporate sponsors are quite delighted with the temperature increase their meddling has caused - it has created even more lovely alarm around the climate after all.
    Your attitude is I’m afraid indefensible. You are seemingly perfectly at ease with the idea human emissions can and do have major effects on the climate, as you’ve jumped on the impact of sulphate emissions with great gusto, yet remain completely unbothered by - indeed enthusiastically supportive of - continuing the mass experiment of burning through our fossil fuels until the world burns.

    150 years ago you’d have been arguing that regulating mercury dumping into the Mersey was an outrageous infringement on people’s livelihoods.
    Irrelevant twaddle. You insist that the UK must grind to an economical standstill in order to repair the damage caused by 1% of global manmade carbon emissions, which themselves comprise 2% of the whole. Yet you wave away a momumental regulatory cock up that has caused significant *actual* warming as 'going cold Turkey'.

    People have gone to quite a dark psychological place when they care less about actual warming than they do about enforcing the privations they claim are about the warming on people. I hope they get the help and support they clearly need.
    “You insist that the UK must grind to an economical standstill”.

    Give it a rest. You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.

    Take a Google at shipping emissions impacts on human mortality sometime, when you’re taking a break from tilting at windmills. “Yet you wave it away” - yes, you do.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,222
    Littler can be laid @ 4.6 on Betfair for SPOTY.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,123

    dixiedean said:

    106.2 average.

    It'll be the end of darts as we know it. Eventually all the players will be so good the outcome will be determined by whoever goes first, like draughts. It may be necessary to make the board smaller, or further away, or introduce a random element like weather.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHnBppccI0o
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    dixiedean said:

    106.2 average.

    In three of the last five sets, over 110....
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,399

    viewcode said:

    isam said:

    The Easter stock went out this week. Not sure why anyone cares. Probably something to

    isam said:

    isam said:

    TimS said:

    isam said:


    isam said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
    Moaning about Christmas stuff being on sale earlier and earlier is traditional.

    There probably graffiti about that at Pompeii.
    Yes, the political correctness gone mad/woke angle is lack of religious narrative on the eggs, not when they go on sale

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1417088/easter-egg-chocolate-easter-news-political-correctness-allyson-stewart-allen

    We’ve crossed the line now where people defending ‘woke’ are caricatures of the Daily Express readers they think they’re mocking
    Remember how builders talking about their feelings made them ”woke builders”? That wasn’t people defending woke, it was the surely-never-a-self-caricature Daily Mail.
    That wasn’t, but the matter we are talking about now seems to be - why would Easter Eggs going on sale in January be woke? Surely the complaint , if there is one, is that it’s crass commercialisation
    Agree, not a woke issue. But what I find strange is that a 'senior' MP thinks it's worth doing a video about Easter eggs at Tesco in January and tweeting it out.
    Mind you, what do I know, given that it's had 2.7M views.
    The “this isn’t about woke” posts by various people are very naive. This is a culture war post by Berry aimed at winding up people who get wound up by modern life.

    Easter Eggs on New Years Day / It’s not Traditional/ Not like the good old days / I blame the permissive society
    Blimey, you had a long time to try and wriggle out of that, or fess up that you’d mixed up the ‘Not Easter’ Eggs ‘woke’ issue with this one.

    Why would people who are regarded as ‘woke’ be championing the right of Supermarkets to sell Easter Eggs in early January? It doesn’t seem that it should matter either way. You just seem to be writing your own pet hates into it having got the wrong end of the stick, like someone else did with the EU lightbulbs the other day

    The Mirror ran an article moaning about it in mid December & The BBC here quote the Royal Society for Public Health complaining about the practice of early egg sales… so it’s hardly a right wing, culture war, anti woke thing at all

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/shoppers-horror-bm-already-selling-31664712

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-47735108
    It does get difficult when noone has the slightest idea what 'woke' means. Even people who go on about it all the time have completely different examples to offer. Electric cars are 'woke' to many folk but the Blessed Elon wouldn't agree. Frankly if someone on the right fringe of politics decides they don't like Easter eggs in January then that phenomenon automatically becomes woke. To them at least.

    Meanwhile the rest of us, in the real world, haven't got a clue what they are blathering on about.
    Woke can be a bit nebulous but in my head ‘changing something that has been long accepted in order to avoid offending someone else (who isn’t actually offended by said thing)’. For instance the use of Winterval rather than Christmas, so as not to offend non Christians.

    Sometimes the changes are sensible yet still derided as woke. See Batter rather than Batsmen (mainly for womens cricket, but will surely bleed back into mens too).

    I suspect that most people actually do have a sense for what woke means, and the idea that it cannot be easily defined is not really fair. Define pornography?
    In Australia they’ve been calling batsmen ‘batters’ for ages, but they called fielders ‘fieldsmen’ at the same time

    Makes sense to degender those words I think now I think
    "Firemen" was generalised to "firefighters" as far back as (I think) the Noughties. See also "flight attendant" instead of "stewardess". I don't know if "actor" instead of "actress" is winning...
    "Oh, stewardess, stewardess? What's the in-flight movie today?"
    Oddly, that was one of the first quotes I thought of...
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    viewcode said:

    isam said:

    The Easter stock went out this week. Not sure why anyone cares. Probably something to

    isam said:

    isam said:

    TimS said:

    isam said:


    isam said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
    Moaning about Christmas stuff being on sale earlier and earlier is traditional.

    There probably graffiti about that at Pompeii.
    Yes, the political correctness gone mad/woke angle is lack of religious narrative on the eggs, not when they go on sale

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1417088/easter-egg-chocolate-easter-news-political-correctness-allyson-stewart-allen

    We’ve crossed the line now where people defending ‘woke’ are caricatures of the Daily Express readers they think they’re mocking
    Remember how builders talking about their feelings made them ”woke builders”? That wasn’t people defending woke, it was the surely-never-a-self-caricature Daily Mail.
    That wasn’t, but the matter we are talking about now seems to be - why would Easter Eggs going on sale in January be woke? Surely the complaint , if there is one, is that it’s crass commercialisation
    Agree, not a woke issue. But what I find strange is that a 'senior' MP thinks it's worth doing a video about Easter eggs at Tesco in January and tweeting it out.
    Mind you, what do I know, given that it's had 2.7M views.
    The “this isn’t about woke” posts by various people are very naive. This is a culture war post by Berry aimed at winding up people who get wound up by modern life.

    Easter Eggs on New Years Day / It’s not Traditional/ Not like the good old days / I blame the permissive society
    Blimey, you had a long time to try and wriggle out of that, or fess up that you’d mixed up the ‘Not Easter’ Eggs ‘woke’ issue with this one.

    Why would people who are regarded as ‘woke’ be championing the right of Supermarkets to sell Easter Eggs in early January? It doesn’t seem that it should matter either way. You just seem to be writing your own pet hates into it having got the wrong end of the stick, like someone else did with the EU lightbulbs the other day

    The Mirror ran an article moaning about it in mid December & The BBC here quote the Royal Society for Public Health complaining about the practice of early egg sales… so it’s hardly a right wing, culture war, anti woke thing at all

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/shoppers-horror-bm-already-selling-31664712

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-47735108
    It does get difficult when noone has the slightest idea what 'woke' means. Even people who go on about it all the time have completely different examples to offer. Electric cars are 'woke' to many folk but the Blessed Elon wouldn't agree. Frankly if someone on the right fringe of politics decides they don't like Easter eggs in January then that phenomenon automatically becomes woke. To them at least.

    Meanwhile the rest of us, in the real world, haven't got a clue what they are blathering on about.
    Woke can be a bit nebulous but in my head ‘changing something that has been long accepted in order to avoid offending someone else (who isn’t actually offended by said thing)’. For instance the use of Winterval rather than Christmas, so as not to offend non Christians.

    Sometimes the changes are sensible yet still derided as woke. See Batter rather than Batsmen (mainly for womens cricket, but will surely bleed back into mens too).

    I suspect that most people actually do have a sense for what woke means, and the idea that it cannot be easily defined is not really fair. Define pornography?
    In Australia they’ve been calling batsmen ‘batters’ for ages, but they called fielders ‘fieldsmen’ at the same time

    Makes sense to degender those words I think now I think
    "Firemen" was generalised to "firefighters" as far back as (I think) the Noughties. See also "flight attendant" instead of "stewardess". I don't know if "actor" instead of "actress" is winning...
    When I was a misspending youth, the common term for the person who delivered the US Mail was "mailman".

    With "postman" also used but much less. And no such thing as "postie".

    Today, "letter-carrier" is pretty much standard, at least outside retirement centers.

    Note that "mail-person" is either a joke, or what even yours truly considers wokish.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,629
    algarkirk said:

    The Easter stock went out this week. Not sure why anyone cares. Probably something to

    isam said:

    isam said:

    TimS said:

    isam said:


    isam said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
    Moaning about Christmas stuff being on sale earlier and earlier is traditional.

    There probably graffiti about that at Pompeii.
    Yes, the political correctness gone mad/woke angle is lack of religious narrative on the eggs, not when they go on sale

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1417088/easter-egg-chocolate-easter-news-political-correctness-allyson-stewart-allen

    We’ve crossed the line now where people defending ‘woke’ are caricatures of the Daily Express readers they think they’re mocking
    Remember how builders talking about their feelings made them ”woke builders”? That wasn’t people defending woke, it was the surely-never-a-self-caricature Daily Mail.
    That wasn’t, but the matter we are talking about now seems to be - why would Easter Eggs going on sale in January be woke? Surely the complaint , if there is one, is that it’s crass commercialisation
    Agree, not a woke issue. But what I find strange is that a 'senior' MP thinks it's worth doing a video about Easter eggs at Tesco in January and tweeting it out.
    Mind you, what do I know, given that it's had 2.7M views.
    The “this isn’t about woke” posts by various people are very naive. This is a culture war post by Berry aimed at winding up people who get wound up by modern life.

    Easter Eggs on New Years Day / It’s not Traditional/ Not like the good old days / I blame the permissive society
    Blimey, you had a long time to try and wriggle out of that, or fess up that you’d mixed up the ‘Not Easter’ Eggs ‘woke’ issue with this one.

    Why would people who are regarded as ‘woke’ be championing the right of Supermarkets to sell Easter Eggs in early January? It doesn’t seem that it should matter either way. You just seem to be writing your own pet hates into it having got the wrong end of the stick, like someone else did with the EU lightbulbs the other day

    The Mirror ran an article moaning about it in mid December & The BBC here quote the Royal Society for Public Health complaining about the practice of early egg sales… so it’s hardly a right wing, culture war, anti woke thing at all

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/shoppers-horror-bm-already-selling-31664712

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-47735108
    It does get difficult when noone has the slightest idea what 'woke' means. Even people who go on about it all the time have completely different examples to offer. Electric cars are 'woke' to many folk but the Blessed Elon wouldn't agree. Frankly if someone on the right fringe of politics decides they don't like Easter eggs in January then that phenomenon automatically becomes woke. To them at least.

    Meanwhile the rest of us, in the real world, haven't got a clue what they are blathering on about.
    Woke can be a bit nebulous but in my head ‘changing something that has been long accepted in order to avoid offending someone else (who isn’t actually offended by said thing)’. For instance the use of Winterval rather than Christmas, so as not to offend non Christians.

    Sometimes the changes are sensible yet still derided as woke. See Batter rather than Batsmen (mainly for womens cricket, but will surely bleed back into mens too).

    I suspect that most people actually do have a sense for what woke means, and the idea that it cannot be easily defined is not really fair. Define pornography?
    Woke is obviously hard to define, like 'centre right' or 'liberal'. It's abstract. I would tentatively suggest that it identifies a particular group, who have similarities and overlaps with others.

    These are 9 suggested identifying characteristics of woke, none unique:

    Disdain for difference, apart from specially designated difference
    A group think mindset
    A puritanlike withdrawal from the unwoke or worldly
    A lack of the negative capability to hold, treasure and value uncertainty
    Absolute assurance
    A single issue mindset, accompanied by a denial that this is so
    Moral absolutism
    Sanctions for non compliance
    An intense hatred of the liberal and enlightenment project.
    Shit.

    Most of the posters on here are woke. Especially that @Leon
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,128

    Foxy said:

    algarkirk said:

    The Easter stock went out this week. Not sure why anyone cares. Probably something to

    isam said:

    isam said:

    TimS said:

    isam said:


    isam said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
    Moaning about Christmas stuff being on sale earlier and earlier is traditional.

    There probably graffiti about that at Pompeii.
    Yes, the political correctness gone mad/woke angle is lack of religious narrative on the eggs, not when they go on sale

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1417088/easter-egg-chocolate-easter-news-political-correctness-allyson-stewart-allen

    We’ve crossed the line now where people defending ‘woke’ are caricatures of the Daily Express readers they think they’re mocking
    Remember how builders talking about their feelings made them ”woke builders”? That wasn’t people defending woke, it was the surely-never-a-self-caricature Daily Mail.
    That wasn’t, but the matter we are talking about now seems to be - why would Easter Eggs going on sale in January be woke? Surely the complaint , if there is one, is that it’s crass commercialisation
    Agree, not a woke issue. But what I find strange is that a 'senior' MP thinks it's worth doing a video about Easter eggs at Tesco in January and tweeting it out.
    Mind you, what do I know, given that it's had 2.7M views.
    The “this isn’t about woke” posts by various people are very naive. This is a culture war post by Berry aimed at winding up people who get wound up by modern life.

    Easter Eggs on New Years Day / It’s not Traditional/ Not like the good old days / I blame the permissive society
    Blimey, you had a long time to try and wriggle out of that, or fess up that you’d mixed up the ‘Not Easter’ Eggs ‘woke’ issue with this one.

    Why would people who are regarded as ‘woke’ be championing the right of Supermarkets to sell Easter Eggs in early January? It doesn’t seem that it should matter either way. You just seem to be writing your own pet hates into it having got the wrong end of the stick, like someone else did with the EU lightbulbs the other day

    The Mirror ran an article moaning about it in mid December & The BBC here quote the Royal Society for Public Health complaining about the practice of early egg sales… so it’s hardly a right wing, culture war, anti woke thing at all

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/shoppers-horror-bm-already-selling-31664712

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-47735108
    It does get difficult when noone has the slightest idea what 'woke' means. Even people who go on about it all the time have completely different examples to offer. Electric cars are 'woke' to many folk but the Blessed Elon wouldn't agree. Frankly if someone on the right fringe of politics decides they don't like Easter eggs in January then that phenomenon automatically becomes woke. To them at least.

    Meanwhile the rest of us, in the real world, haven't got a clue what they are blathering on about.
    Woke can be a bit nebulous but in my head ‘changing something that has been long accepted in order to avoid offending someone else (who isn’t actually offended by said thing)’. For instance the use of Winterval rather than Christmas, so as not to offend non Christians.

    Sometimes the changes are sensible yet still derided as woke. See Batter rather than Batsmen (mainly for womens cricket, but will surely bleed back into mens too).

    I suspect that most people actually do have a sense for what woke means, and the idea that it cannot be easily defined is not really fair. Define pornography?
    Woke is obviously hard to define, like 'centre right' or 'liberal'. It's abstract. I would tentatively suggest that it identifies a particular group, who have similarities and overlaps with others.

    These are 9 suggested identifying characteristics of woke, none unique:

    Disdain for difference, apart from specially designated difference
    A group think mindset
    A puritanlike withdrawal from the unwoke or worldly
    A lack of the negative capability to hold, treasure and value uncertainty
    Absolute assurance
    A single issue mindset, accompanied by a denial that this is so
    Moral absolutism
    Sanctions for non compliance
    An intense hatred of the liberal and enlightenment project.
    Surely all of these are equally true of all the Wokefinder generals.
    i agree with all these, but they can all be summarised by the single simple attribute of laziness in thinking.

    Woke dodges all that tedious business of thinking seriously or in depth about anything. It's as simple as that.
    Yes, but so does anti-woke.

    It's just a way of shutting down discussion.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    tlg86 said:

    Littler can be laid @ 4.6 on Betfair for SPOTY.

    Presumably BBC will hate it if he is. They'll have no footage to show...
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    dixiedean said:

    106.2 average.

    It'll be the end of darts as we know it. Eventually all the players will be so good the outcome will be determined by whoever goes first, like draughts. It may be necessary to make the board smaller, or further away, or introduce a random element like weather.
    A rotating board would add to the fun.
    Boomerang darts?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,099

    dixiedean said:

    106.2 average.

    It'll be the end of darts as we know it. Eventually all the players will be so good the outcome will be determined by whoever goes first, like draughts. It may be necessary to make the board smaller, or further away, or introduce a random element like weather.
    Like snooker...



    https://x.com/JohnRentoul/status/1741799120140996845?s=20
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,475

    dixiedean said:

    106.2 average.

    In three of the last five sets, over 110....
    Yes indeed. He didn't start very well.
    (90 in the first set IIRC).
    Making the final total all the more remarkable.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    dixiedean said:

    106.2 average.

    It'll be the end of darts as we know it. Eventually all the players will be so good the outcome will be determined by whoever goes first, like draughts. It may be necessary to make the board smaller, or further away, or introduce a random element like weather.
    A rotating board would add to the fun.
    Believe they had one of those, in the pub where I last tried my hand at the game.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,128

    dixiedean said:

    106.2 average.

    It'll be the end of darts as we know it. Eventually all the players will be so good the outcome will be determined by whoever goes first, like draughts. It may be necessary to make the board smaller, or further away, or introduce a random element like weather.
    A rotating board would add to the fun.
    Believe they had one of those, in the pub where I last tried my hand at the game.
    Sure that it wasn't your head spinning?
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,466
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    algarkirk said:

    The Easter stock went out this week. Not sure why anyone cares. Probably something to

    isam said:

    isam said:

    TimS said:

    isam said:


    isam said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
    Moaning about Christmas stuff being on sale earlier and earlier is traditional.

    There probably graffiti about that at Pompeii.
    Yes, the political correctness gone mad/woke angle is lack of religious narrative on the eggs, not when they go on sale

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1417088/easter-egg-chocolate-easter-news-political-correctness-allyson-stewart-allen

    We’ve crossed the line now where people defending ‘woke’ are caricatures of the Daily Express readers they think they’re mocking
    Remember how builders talking about their feelings made them ”woke builders”? That wasn’t people defending woke, it was the surely-never-a-self-caricature Daily Mail.
    That wasn’t, but the matter we are talking about now seems to be - why would Easter Eggs going on sale in January be woke? Surely the complaint , if there is one, is that it’s crass commercialisation
    Agree, not a woke issue. But what I find strange is that a 'senior' MP thinks it's worth doing a video about Easter eggs at Tesco in January and tweeting it out.
    Mind you, what do I know, given that it's had 2.7M views.
    The “this isn’t about woke” posts by various people are very naive. This is a culture war post by Berry aimed at winding up people who get wound up by modern life.

    Easter Eggs on New Years Day / It’s not Traditional/ Not like the good old days / I blame the permissive society
    Blimey, you had a long time to try and wriggle out of that, or fess up that you’d mixed up the ‘Not Easter’ Eggs ‘woke’ issue with this one.

    Why would people who are regarded as ‘woke’ be championing the right of Supermarkets to sell Easter Eggs in early January? It doesn’t seem that it should matter either way. You just seem to be writing your own pet hates into it having got the wrong end of the stick, like someone else did with the EU lightbulbs the other day

    The Mirror ran an article moaning about it in mid December & The BBC here quote the Royal Society for Public Health complaining about the practice of early egg sales… so it’s hardly a right wing, culture war, anti woke thing at all

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/shoppers-horror-bm-already-selling-31664712

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-47735108
    It does get difficult when noone has the slightest idea what 'woke' means. Even people who go on about it all the time have completely different examples to offer. Electric cars are 'woke' to many folk but the Blessed Elon wouldn't agree. Frankly if someone on the right fringe of politics decides they don't like Easter eggs in January then that phenomenon automatically becomes woke. To them at least.

    Meanwhile the rest of us, in the real world, haven't got a clue what they are blathering on about.
    Woke can be a bit nebulous but in my head ‘changing something that has been long accepted in order to avoid offending someone else (who isn’t actually offended by said thing)’. For instance the use of Winterval rather than Christmas, so as not to offend non Christians.

    Sometimes the changes are sensible yet still derided as woke. See Batter rather than Batsmen (mainly for womens cricket, but will surely bleed back into mens too).

    I suspect that most people actually do have a sense for what woke means, and the idea that it cannot be easily defined is not really fair. Define pornography?
    Woke is obviously hard to define, like 'centre right' or 'liberal'. It's abstract. I would tentatively suggest that it identifies a particular group, who have similarities and overlaps with others.

    These are 9 suggested identifying characteristics of woke, none unique:

    Disdain for difference, apart from specially designated difference
    A group think mindset
    A puritanlike withdrawal from the unwoke or worldly
    A lack of the negative capability to hold, treasure and value uncertainty
    Absolute assurance
    A single issue mindset, accompanied by a denial that this is so
    Moral absolutism
    Sanctions for non compliance
    An intense hatred of the liberal and enlightenment project.
    Surely all of these are equally true of all the Wokefinder generals.
    i agree with all these, but they can all be summarised by the single simple attribute of laziness in thinking.

    Woke dodges all that tedious business of thinking seriously or in depth about anything. It's as simple as that.
    Yes, but so does anti-woke.

    It's just a way of shutting down discussion.
    Quite.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,044
    ydoethur said:

    Y Doethur ... regenerates...

    It’s far from being all over…..
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Foxy said:

    dixiedean said:

    106.2 average.

    It'll be the end of darts as we know it. Eventually all the players will be so good the outcome will be determined by whoever goes first, like draughts. It may be necessary to make the board smaller, or further away, or introduce a random element like weather.
    A rotating board would add to the fun.
    Believe they had one of those, in the pub where I last tried my hand at the game.
    Sure that it wasn't your head spinning?
    Nonsense! I had my feet planted firmly on the ceiling. Or was it the wall?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,839
    edited January 2
    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Looks like the rain has finally stopped, which is good because about 75% of the roads round here are flooded to some extent.

    This is the new normal.

    Warm and very wet winters.
    I think I'd ban the phrase 'the new normal'. It seems to function as an excuse for spineless politicians and greasy corporates to enforce unpleasant situations on the public with no prospect of abatement.

    We've had a good fiddle with climate this year, banning those maritime fuels, the effect of which was to make temperatures (sea temperatures at any rate) rise significantly. So far I don't think that situation has been reversed or any attempt made to mitigate it, despite various private jet-fuelled junkets. 'Decarbonise' is the only show in town, despite it seeming to have all the impact on climate that housewives donating their pots and pans had on Spitfire production.

    We need creative solutions to optimise the climate, that work quickly, and to be prepared to bug out quickly it they're found not to work. Net Zero is tangential at best in this regard.

    We need geo-engineering solutions to suck carbon back out the atmosphere en-masse, is what we need - and pronto.
    Yes… and that’s why lots of people are working on making these solutions a reality. What I don’t understand is why Luckyguy1983
    keeps posting as if no-one is looking into this.
    The reason large scale geo-engineering isn’t being carried out (yet) is because of simple - and understandable - liability issues.

    Global warming is the archetype of joint and several liability. Every country, every company, every government shares some responsibility and everyone shares in the effects, albeit unevenly. You can’t - despite some efforts - pin the blame on one actor.

    When you geoengineer you create a specific and immediate effect which while predictable at global level is unpredictable at regional level, but provable. So if a nation or bloc decides to geoengineer and that causes drought in region x, they’re going to get sued. Whereas reducing an existing contribution to change, like CO2, NO2 or CH4 is not introducing a new trigger for change, it’s mitigating an existing one.

    As for cutting maritime sulphate emissions, this is what’s known as a termination shock. Still to be definitively proven, but looking likely as a culprit for the sudden jump in North Atlantic temperatures this year. They were hiding the true scale of global warming, by a bit. But those emissions are dirty stuff and are a pretty fixed input - they probably held back warming by around 0.1C, and regionally possibly up to 0.4C. You either go cold turkey now or later.

    Geoengineering solutions will be put into
    place as a last resort if everything else fails.
    This is an utterly indefensible post. When people are being asked effectively to accept a precipitous fall in their living standards and outrageous infringements on their freedoms, you can wave away a huge change in temperature, entirely attributable to human regulatory meddling by the same fuckwits lecturing us about 'the real price of energy' and 'the new normal' and suggest that any solutions to this will be applied 'as a last resort is everything (for which read the impoverishment of the West) else fails'.

    A more cynical person than myself might suspect that policy makers and their corporate sponsors are quite delighted with the temperature increase their meddling has caused - it has created even more lovely alarm around the climate after all.
    Your attitude is I’m afraid indefensible. You are seemingly perfectly at ease with the idea human emissions can and do have major effects on the climate, as you’ve jumped on the impact of sulphate emissions with great gusto, yet remain completely unbothered by - indeed enthusiastically supportive of - continuing the mass experiment of burning through our fossil fuels until the world burns.

    150 years ago you’d have been arguing that regulating mercury dumping into the Mersey was an outrageous infringement on people’s livelihoods.
    Irrelevant twaddle. You insist that the UK must grind to an economical standstill in order to repair the damage caused by 1% of global manmade carbon emissions, which themselves comprise 2% of the whole. Yet you wave away a momumental regulatory cock up that has caused significant *actual* warming as 'going cold Turkey'.

    People have gone to quite a dark psychological place when they care less about actual warming than they do about enforcing the privations they claim are about the warming on people. I hope they get the help and support they clearly need.
    “You insist that the UK must grind to an economical standstill”.

    Give it a rest. You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.

    Take a Google at shipping emissions impacts on human mortality sometime, when you’re taking a break from tilting at windmills. “Yet you wave it away” - yes, you do.
    Oh I see. All about peoples' lungs now is it? I thought we were in the business of averting a climate catastrophe. A weekly briefing on which global crisis we're doing and which we're ignoring would be most helpful.

    And for the record, I haven't suggested we put sulphur back into the fuel - spraying seawater is clean and seems just as effective. I assume there are very good reasons why this isn't being tried already - certainly better ones than this discussion has thrown up so far.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,882

    Kids Company founder Camila Batmanghelidjh dies

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67868843

    She was very much the hot topic on conversation on this board back in 2015.
    I don't know if the history posts are still available, but not a lot of good was said about her.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,515
    Caramel Eggs are far superior to Cream Eggs
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,474
    edited January 2
    algarkirk said:

    The Easter stock went out this week. Not sure why anyone cares. Probably something to

    isam said:

    isam said:

    TimS said:

    isam said:


    isam said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
    Moaning about Christmas stuff being on sale earlier and earlier is traditional.

    There probably graffiti about that at Pompeii.
    Yes, the political correctness gone mad/woke angle is lack of religious narrative on the eggs, not when they go on sale

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1417088/easter-egg-chocolate-easter-news-political-correctness-allyson-stewart-allen

    We’ve crossed the line now where people defending ‘woke’ are caricatures of the Daily Express readers they think they’re mocking
    Remember how builders talking about their feelings made them ”woke builders”? That wasn’t people defending woke, it was the surely-never-a-self-caricature Daily Mail.
    That wasn’t, but the matter we are talking about now seems to be - why would Easter Eggs going on sale in January be woke? Surely the complaint , if there is one, is that it’s crass commercialisation
    Agree, not a woke issue. But what I find strange is that a 'senior' MP thinks it's worth doing a video about Easter eggs at Tesco in January and tweeting it out.
    Mind you, what do I know, given that it's had 2.7M views.
    The “this isn’t about woke” posts by various people are very naive. This is a culture war post by Berry aimed at winding up people who get wound up by modern life.

    Easter Eggs on New Years Day / It’s not Traditional/ Not like the good old days / I blame the permissive society
    Blimey, you had a long time to try and wriggle out of that, or fess up that you’d mixed up the ‘Not Easter’ Eggs ‘woke’ issue with this one.

    Why would people who are regarded as ‘woke’ be championing the right of Supermarkets to sell Easter Eggs in early January? It doesn’t seem that it should matter either way. You just seem to be writing your own pet hates into it having got the wrong end of the stick, like someone else did with the EU lightbulbs the other day

    The Mirror ran an article moaning about it in mid December & The BBC here quote the Royal Society for Public Health complaining about the practice of early egg sales… so it’s hardly a right wing, culture war, anti woke thing at all

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/shoppers-horror-bm-already-selling-31664712

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-47735108
    It does get difficult when noone has the slightest idea what 'woke' means. Even people who go on about it all the time have completely different examples to offer. Electric cars are 'woke' to many folk but the Blessed Elon wouldn't agree. Frankly if someone on the right fringe of politics decides they don't like Easter eggs in January then that phenomenon automatically becomes woke. To them at least.

    Meanwhile the rest of us, in the real world, haven't got a clue what they are blathering on about.
    Woke can be a bit nebulous but in my head ‘changing something that has been long accepted in order to avoid offending someone else (who isn’t actually offended by said thing)’. For instance the use of Winterval rather than Christmas, so as not to offend non Christians.

    Sometimes the changes are sensible yet still derided as woke. See Batter rather than Batsmen (mainly for womens cricket, but will surely bleed back into mens too).

    I suspect that most people actually do have a sense for what woke means, and the idea that it cannot be easily defined is not really fair. Define pornography?
    Woke is obviously hard to define, like 'centre right' or 'liberal'. It's abstract. I would tentatively suggest that it identifies a particular group, who have similarities and overlaps with others.

    These are 9 suggested identifying characteristics of woke, none unique:

    Disdain for difference, apart from specially designated difference
    A group think mindset
    A puritanlike withdrawal from the unwoke or worldly
    A lack of the negative capability to hold, treasure and value uncertainty
    Absolute assurance
    A single issue mindset, accompanied by a denial that this is so
    Moral absolutism
    Sanctions for non compliance
    An intense hatred of the liberal and enlightenment project.
    Utterly baffling, and now I'm totally confused. I'd always guessed that my attitudes to stuff would make me pretty 'woke' in the eyes of most on here. But, hand on heart, I don't meet any one of the 9 criteria set out there. Least of all the last one, which strikes me as more characteristic of the fiercely anti-woke.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,944

    dixiedean said:

    106.2 average.

    It'll be the end of darts as we know it. Eventually all the players will be so good the outcome will be determined by whoever goes first, like draughts. It may be necessary to make the board smaller, or further away, or introduce a random element like weather.
    A rotating board would add to the fun.
    Boomerang darts?
    Monkey tennis?
    Ahaaa
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Seattle Times - How much it could cost to see UW Huskies at the national championship?

    - according to the paper, for next week's NCAA Division 1 college football national championship game in Houston = $900.

    "If money is no object, seats in the lower bowl of the stadium, right around the 50-yard line, are about $3,500. In other words, a mortgage payment on a typical Seattle-area home with 20% down or one 1997 Honda Accord with 140,000 miles on it.

    The most expensive seats in the house are in Lower Level Section 106, Row A at around $12,500 per seat."

    These prices are BEFORE the scalpers scoop them up. And of course do NOT include airfare, lodging and other extras.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,475
    edited January 2

    dixiedean said:

    106.2 average.

    In three of the last five sets, over 110....
    Steady though.
    Luke Humphries just averaged 118.66 in the second set...
    Blimey.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,839

    algarkirk said:

    The Easter stock went out this week. Not sure why anyone cares. Probably something to

    isam said:

    isam said:

    TimS said:

    isam said:


    isam said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
    Moaning about Christmas stuff being on sale earlier and earlier is traditional.

    There probably graffiti about that at Pompeii.
    Yes, the political correctness gone mad/woke angle is lack of religious narrative on the eggs, not when they go on sale

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1417088/easter-egg-chocolate-easter-news-political-correctness-allyson-stewart-allen

    We’ve crossed the line now where people defending ‘woke’ are caricatures of the Daily Express readers they think they’re mocking
    Remember how builders talking about their feelings made them ”woke builders”? That wasn’t people defending woke, it was the surely-never-a-self-caricature Daily Mail.
    That wasn’t, but the matter we are talking about now seems to be - why would Easter Eggs going on sale in January be woke? Surely the complaint , if there is one, is that it’s crass commercialisation
    Agree, not a woke issue. But what I find strange is that a 'senior' MP thinks it's worth doing a video about Easter eggs at Tesco in January and tweeting it out.
    Mind you, what do I know, given that it's had 2.7M views.
    The “this isn’t about woke” posts by various people are very naive. This is a culture war post by Berry aimed at winding up people who get wound up by modern life.

    Easter Eggs on New Years Day / It’s not Traditional/ Not like the good old days / I blame the permissive society
    Blimey, you had a long time to try and wriggle out of that, or fess up that you’d mixed up the ‘Not Easter’ Eggs ‘woke’ issue with this one.

    Why would people who are regarded as ‘woke’ be championing the right of Supermarkets to sell Easter Eggs in early January? It doesn’t seem that it should matter either way. You just seem to be writing your own pet hates into it having got the wrong end of the stick, like someone else did with the EU lightbulbs the other day

    The Mirror ran an article moaning about it in mid December & The BBC here quote the Royal Society for Public Health complaining about the practice of early egg sales… so it’s hardly a right wing, culture war, anti woke thing at all

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/shoppers-horror-bm-already-selling-31664712

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-47735108
    It does get difficult when noone has the slightest idea what 'woke' means. Even people who go on about it all the time have completely different examples to offer. Electric cars are 'woke' to many folk but the Blessed Elon wouldn't agree. Frankly if someone on the right fringe of politics decides they don't like Easter eggs in January then that phenomenon automatically becomes woke. To them at least.

    Meanwhile the rest of us, in the real world, haven't got a clue what they are blathering on about.
    Woke can be a bit nebulous but in my head ‘changing something that has been long accepted in order to avoid offending someone else (who isn’t actually offended by said thing)’. For instance the use of Winterval rather than Christmas, so as not to offend non Christians.

    Sometimes the changes are sensible yet still derided as woke. See Batter rather than Batsmen (mainly for womens cricket, but will surely bleed back into mens too).

    I suspect that most people actually do have a sense for what woke means, and the idea that it cannot be easily defined is not really fair. Define pornography?
    Woke is obviously hard to define, like 'centre right' or 'liberal'. It's abstract. I would tentatively suggest that it identifies a particular group, who have similarities and overlaps with others.

    These are 9 suggested identifying characteristics of woke, none unique:

    Disdain for difference, apart from specially designated difference
    A group think mindset
    A puritanlike withdrawal from the unwoke or worldly
    A lack of the negative capability to hold, treasure and value uncertainty
    Absolute assurance
    A single issue mindset, accompanied by a denial that this is so
    Moral absolutism
    Sanctions for non compliance
    An intense hatred of the liberal and enlightenment project.
    Utterly baffling, and now I'm totally confused. I'd always guessed that my attitudes to stuff would make me pretty 'woke' in the eyes of most on here. But, hand on heart, I don't meet any one of the 9 criteria set out there. Least of all the last one, which strikes me as more characteristic of the fiercely anti-woke.
    The tenets of critical race theory have been very widely set down. I suppose that similar documents exist for trans issues and other 'isms'. That would seem to make woke pretty easy to define to me. The innovation of 'woke' seems to me to be the 'silence is violence' thing - it's not enough to treat everyone equally and as you would wish to be treated; just existing in your 'privileged' state without showing sufficient penitence is an affront. That's why as far as I'm concerned it can do one.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,319
    Scott_xP said:

    dixiedean said:

    106.2 average.

    It'll be the end of darts as we know it. Eventually all the players will be so good the outcome will be determined by whoever goes first, like draughts. It may be necessary to make the board smaller, or further away, or introduce a random element like weather.
    Like snooker...



    https://x.com/JohnRentoul/status/1741799120140996845?s=20
    Snooker is infinitely more complex. It's a field sport with constantly changing geography. Darts is unidimensional.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,963
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    106.2 average.

    In three of the last five sets, over 110....
    Steady though.
    Luke Humphries just averaged 118.66 in the second set...
    Blimey.
    An all-Luke final would be fun. It could go long…
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,201
    .

    dixiedean said:

    106.2 average.

    It'll be the end of darts as we know it. Eventually all the players will be so good the outcome will be determined by whoever goes first, like draughts. It may be necessary to make the board smaller, or further away, or introduce a random element like weather.
    A rotating board would add to the fun.
    Boomerang darts?
    A giant rotating dartboard with a brave volunteer strapped to it.
    And the darts swapped for throwing knives ?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,201

    algarkirk said:

    The Easter stock went out this week. Not sure why anyone cares. Probably something to

    isam said:

    isam said:

    TimS said:

    isam said:


    isam said:

    Easter eggs on sale in Tescos apparently

    That didn't take long !!!!!!

    So? I know some moron Tory MP is tweeting about it, but this isn't news. Easter confectionery lines go into wholesalers in December, Christmas ones in August. Its an expandable consumption category, so if you get products in early you sell more. Some stuff (Creme Eggs, The Big Purple One) would sell all year round.
    I have no idea about a Tory mp tweets and to be fair nearly 60 years ago my family and I owned a newsagents and grocers and we did display Easter eggs in the new year

    I expect it may not surprise many
    I have no problem with you responding to Jake Berry. I have a problem with Jake Berry trying to create another culture wars woke issue with something that happens *every single year*.
    Have you got your culture war/woke issue mixed up? I don’t think people have ever said it was woke to have Easter Eggs in the shops too early, the complaint from that angle is that they’re not called Easter Eggs isn’t it?

    Looking at that Jake Berry video, he’s just saying he surprised Easter Eggs are in shops when Christmas was only last week, hardly attacking anyone for being woke.
    Moaning about Christmas stuff being on sale earlier and earlier is traditional.

    There probably graffiti about that at Pompeii.
    Yes, the political correctness gone mad/woke angle is lack of religious narrative on the eggs, not when they go on sale

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1417088/easter-egg-chocolate-easter-news-political-correctness-allyson-stewart-allen

    We’ve crossed the line now where people defending ‘woke’ are caricatures of the Daily Express readers they think they’re mocking
    Remember how builders talking about their feelings made them ”woke builders”? That wasn’t people defending woke, it was the surely-never-a-self-caricature Daily Mail.
    That wasn’t, but the matter we are talking about now seems to be - why would Easter Eggs going on sale in January be woke? Surely the complaint , if there is one, is that it’s crass commercialisation
    Agree, not a woke issue. But what I find strange is that a 'senior' MP thinks it's worth doing a video about Easter eggs at Tesco in January and tweeting it out.
    Mind you, what do I know, given that it's had 2.7M views.
    The “this isn’t about woke” posts by various people are very naive. This is a culture war post by Berry aimed at winding up people who get wound up by modern life.

    Easter Eggs on New Years Day / It’s not Traditional/ Not like the good old days / I blame the permissive society
    Blimey, you had a long time to try and wriggle out of that, or fess up that you’d mixed up the ‘Not Easter’ Eggs ‘woke’ issue with this one.

    Why would people who are regarded as ‘woke’ be championing the right of Supermarkets to sell Easter Eggs in early January? It doesn’t seem that it should matter either way. You just seem to be writing your own pet hates into it having got the wrong end of the stick, like someone else did with the EU lightbulbs the other day

    The Mirror ran an article moaning about it in mid December & The BBC here quote the Royal Society for Public Health complaining about the practice of early egg sales… so it’s hardly a right wing, culture war, anti woke thing at all

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/shoppers-horror-bm-already-selling-31664712

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-47735108
    It does get difficult when noone has the slightest idea what 'woke' means. Even people who go on about it all the time have completely different examples to offer. Electric cars are 'woke' to many folk but the Blessed Elon wouldn't agree. Frankly if someone on the right fringe of politics decides they don't like Easter eggs in January then that phenomenon automatically becomes woke. To them at least.

    Meanwhile the rest of us, in the real world, haven't got a clue what they are blathering on about.
    Woke can be a bit nebulous but in my head ‘changing something that has been long accepted in order to avoid offending someone else (who isn’t actually offended by said thing)’. For instance the use of Winterval rather than Christmas, so as not to offend non Christians.

    Sometimes the changes are sensible yet still derided as woke. See Batter rather than Batsmen (mainly for womens cricket, but will surely bleed back into mens too).

    I suspect that most people actually do have a sense for what woke means, and the idea that it cannot be easily defined is not really fair. Define pornography?
    Woke is obviously hard to define, like 'centre right' or 'liberal'. It's abstract. I would tentatively suggest that it identifies a particular group, who have similarities and overlaps with others.

    These are 9 suggested identifying characteristics of woke, none unique:

    Disdain for difference, apart from specially designated difference
    A group think mindset
    A puritanlike withdrawal from the unwoke or worldly
    A lack of the negative capability to hold, treasure and value uncertainty
    Absolute assurance
    A single issue mindset, accompanied by a denial that this is so
    Moral absolutism
    Sanctions for non compliance
    An intense hatred of the liberal and enlightenment project.
    Utterly baffling, and now I'm totally confused. I'd always guessed that my attitudes to stuff would make me pretty 'woke' in the eyes of most on here. But, hand on heart, I don't meet any one of the 9 criteria set out there. Least of all the last one, which strikes me as more characteristic of the fiercely anti-woke.
    "These are 9 suggested identifying characteristics.."

    Suggested by whom ?
    It's just an incoherent list of stuff someone doesn't like.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,839
    Nigelb said:

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    dixiedean said:

    106.2 average.

    It'll be the end of darts as we know it. Eventually all the players will be so good the outcome will be determined by whoever goes first, like draughts. It may be necessary to make the board smaller, or further away, or introduce a random element like weather.
    A rotating board would add to the fun.
    Boomerang darts?
    A giant rotating dartboard with a brave volunteer strapped to it.
    And the darts swapped for throwing knives ?
    And Roger Moore saving Berlin from nuclear annihilation.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,214

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Looks like the rain has finally stopped, which is good because about 75% of the roads round here are flooded to some extent.

    This is the new normal.

    Warm and very wet winters.
    I think I'd ban the phrase 'the new normal'. It seems to function as an excuse for spineless politicians and greasy corporates to enforce unpleasant situations on the public with no prospect of abatement.

    We've had a good fiddle with climate this year, banning those maritime fuels, the effect of which was to make temperatures (sea temperatures at any rate) rise significantly. So far I don't think that situation has been reversed or any attempt made to mitigate it, despite various private jet-fuelled junkets. 'Decarbonise' is the only show in town, despite it seeming to have all the impact on climate that housewives donating their pots and pans had on Spitfire production.

    We need creative solutions to optimise the climate, that work quickly, and to be prepared to bug out quickly it they're found not to work. Net Zero is tangential at best in this regard.

    We need geo-engineering solutions to suck carbon back out the atmosphere en-masse, is what we need - and pronto.
    Yes… and that’s why lots of people are working on making these solutions a reality. What I don’t understand is why Luckyguy1983
    keeps posting as if no-one is looking into this.
    The reason large scale geo-engineering isn’t being carried out (yet) is because of simple - and understandable - liability issues.

    Global warming is the archetype of joint and several liability. Every country, every company, every government shares some responsibility and everyone shares in the effects, albeit unevenly. You can’t - despite some efforts - pin the blame on one actor.

    When you geoengineer you create a specific and immediate effect which while predictable at global level is unpredictable at regional level, but provable. So if a nation or bloc decides to geoengineer and that causes drought in region x, they’re going to get sued. Whereas reducing an existing contribution to change, like CO2, NO2 or CH4 is not introducing a new trigger for change, it’s mitigating an existing one.

    As for cutting maritime sulphate emissions, this is what’s known as a termination shock. Still to be definitively proven, but looking likely as a culprit for the sudden jump in North Atlantic temperatures this year. They were hiding the true scale of global warming, by a bit. But those emissions are dirty stuff and are a pretty fixed input - they probably held back warming by around 0.1C, and regionally possibly up to 0.4C. You either go cold turkey now or later.

    Geoengineering solutions will be put into
    place as a last resort if everything else fails.
    This is an utterly indefensible post. When people are being asked effectively to accept a precipitous fall in their living standards and outrageous infringements on their freedoms, you can wave away a huge change in temperature, entirely attributable to human regulatory meddling by the same fuckwits lecturing us about 'the real price of energy' and 'the new normal' and suggest that any solutions to this will be applied 'as a last resort is everything (for which read the impoverishment of the West) else fails'.

    A more cynical person than myself might suspect that policy makers and their corporate sponsors are quite delighted with the temperature increase their meddling has caused - it has created even more lovely alarm around the climate after all.
    Your attitude is I’m afraid indefensible. You are seemingly perfectly at ease with the idea human emissions can and do have major effects on the climate, as you’ve jumped on the impact of sulphate emissions with great gusto, yet remain completely unbothered by - indeed enthusiastically supportive of - continuing the mass experiment of burning through our fossil fuels until the world burns.

    150 years ago you’d have been arguing that regulating mercury dumping into the Mersey was an outrageous infringement on people’s livelihoods.
    Irrelevant twaddle. You insist that the UK must grind to an economical standstill in order to repair the damage caused by 1% of global manmade carbon emissions, which themselves comprise 2% of the whole. Yet you wave away a momumental regulatory cock up that has caused significant *actual* warming as 'going cold Turkey'.

    People have gone to quite a dark psychological place when they care less about actual warming than they do about enforcing the privations they claim are about the warming on people. I hope they get the help and support they clearly need.
    “You insist that the UK must grind to an economical standstill”.

    Give it a rest. You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.

    Take a Google at shipping emissions impacts on human mortality sometime, when you’re taking a break from tilting at windmills. “Yet you wave it away” - yes, you do.
    Oh I see. All about peoples' lungs now is it? I thought we were in the business of averting a climate catastrophe. A weekly briefing on which global crisis we're doing and which we're ignoring would be most helpful.

    And for the record, I haven't suggested we put sulphur back into the fuel - spraying seawater is clean and seems just as effective. I assume there are very good reasons why this isn't being tried already - certainly better ones than this discussion has thrown up so far.
    You gave a pretty good impression of wanting to put the sulphur back into the fuel. “A monumental regulatory cockup”? Which of course included reducing NOx emissions too, which contribute to global warming.

    There are good reasons large scale geoengineering isn’t being implemented at scale yet and they are exactly as described here. It is very difficult to predict regional impacts of solar attenuation, particularly anything that affects albedo, but one thing you can be sure of is it will cause provable effects like drought in some locations. I interviewed someone a few years ago whose doctorate was on uses of foams on the Atlantic sea surface to boost albedo. Very promising, fascinating stuff, but miles off getting any kind of international approval because of those sorts of downstream impacts.

    So either someone like the US says FU and does it anyway, or nothing happens because you are unlikely ever to get consensus on measures like these in the UN and no private company will do it for obvious liability reasons.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Nigelb said:

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    dixiedean said:

    106.2 average.

    It'll be the end of darts as we know it. Eventually all the players will be so good the outcome will be determined by whoever goes first, like draughts. It may be necessary to make the board smaller, or further away, or introduce a random element like weather.
    A rotating board would add to the fun.
    Boomerang darts?
    A giant rotating dartboard with a brave volunteer strapped to it.
    And the darts swapped for throwing knives ?
    For "brave volunteer" substitute "prospective Conservative Party leadership candidates"?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,475

    Scott_xP said:

    dixiedean said:

    106.2 average.

    It'll be the end of darts as we know it. Eventually all the players will be so good the outcome will be determined by whoever goes first, like draughts. It may be necessary to make the board smaller, or further away, or introduce a random element like weather.
    Like snooker...



    https://x.com/JohnRentoul/status/1741799120140996845?s=20
    Snooker is infinitely more complex. It's a field sport with constantly changing geography. Darts is unidimensional.
    You know when your next turn is too in darts.
    Different matter if you haven't had a go for seven or eight minutes.
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