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I now have the urge to start singing Road to Nowhere nowCasino_Royale said:
Where we're going we don't need 'roads'.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well you'll be telling this chap off,Ninoinoz said:
Yes, perhaps it's totally unfair, but correct grammar and spelling matter. Perhaps spending my childhood as an amanuensis to my ethnic community has drilled that into me.PrinceofTaranto said:
One voter told us she was going to vote UKIP because the personalised letter to her from Kelly Tolhurst contained lots of spelling errors.NickPalmer said:
We had a post from someone last week who'd been involved in it - doubt if he's given up.TheScreamingEagles said:
What was the Labour canvassing effort like?
I've heard from an impartial and unimpeachable source that it was non exist in Rochester this weekend.
It should be fewer, not less?
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On unrelated news, the centre-right UMP is imploding into open civil war in France in yet another scandal involving pretty much everyone apart from Le Pen:
http://www.thelocal.fr/20141110/le-pen-revels-in-new-french-political-scandal
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/10/france-francois-fillon-nicolas-sarkozy-le-monde
http://www.thelocal.fr/20141109/french-opposition-in-turmoil-over-sarkozy-plot
Apparently they are trying to get rid of Sarkozy and it's backfiring on all directions.0 -
What did they keep the peace with? How many tank divisions has the EU commanded over the last fifty years?MarkSenior said:
Not as many as idiots like you who deny it .Swiss_Bob said:Just seen Ben Bradshaw on the Daily Politics pretending that the EU has kept peace in Europe.
I suppose some mugs believe it.
Muppet.0 -
They are whatever you would like them to be.john_zims said:@kentRising
'is harnessing traditional Old Labour support because it is the only one of the biggest four parties that doesn't see the free market as the be all and end all.'
Seriously, apart from leaving the EU and immigration,does anyone have a clue what UKIP policies are?0 -
It is speculation.Casino_Royale said:Someone linked on the last thread that there are 'secret' plans to further slash law & order and defence next year?
I've written to my MP about this. If it's true, I won't be voting Conservative next year.
There is speculation, they can cut other things, increase taxes or do other things.0 -
@MarkSenior
'Not as many as idiots like you who deny it'
So NATO and the fact that two major players in Europe have nuclear weapons has played no part in keeping peace in Europe?
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No, I'd say 'road' instead of 'roads'.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well you'll be telling this chap off,Ninoinoz said:
Yes, perhaps it's totally unfair, but correct grammar and spelling matter. Perhaps spending my childhood as an amanuensis to my ethnic community has drilled that into me.PrinceofTaranto said:
One voter told us she was going to vote UKIP because the personalised letter to her from Kelly Tolhurst contained lots of spelling errors.NickPalmer said:
We had a post from someone last week who'd been involved in it - doubt if he's given up.TheScreamingEagles said:
What was the Labour canvassing effort like?
I've heard from an impartial and unimpeachable source that it was non exist in Rochester this weekend.
It should be fewer, not less?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2FXRQzIMAAfzEr.jpg
I think I'd apply a different standard to social media than printed (and proof-read) documents.0 -
He's a comedian, not only have the EU had nothing to do with preventing war in Europe the idiots have actually started one in Ukraine.john_zims said:@MarkSenior
'Not as many as idiots like you who deny it'
So NATO and the fact that two major players in Europe have nuclear weapons has played no part in keeping peace in Europe?0 -
The EU's silly games in the East have brought us closer than ever to a major pan European war.Swiss_Bob said:Just seen Ben Bradshaw on the Daily Politics pretending that the EU has kept peace in Europe.
I suppose some mugs believe it.0 -
Amusing that really from Ukiper Taranto. For some years now Ukip have told us politicians are all the same which as a fair proportion of them originate from the public school, Oxbridge, lawyer/political adviser route and then choose the party most likely to further their career probably isn't that far off the truth. And I'm sure all of them can spell or use their spellcheckers very well. Tolhurst with her secondary modern education and small business background certainly doesn't fit that bill and just maybe given the pressures of her hectic campaigning she made a couple of spelling errors but then spelling isn't the strongest suit of a number of successful entrepreneurs I know. All parties need politicians cut from more than one cloth.JonnyJimmy said:
I don't think that would make me vote UKIP, but it would definitely put me off voting for Tolhurst.PrinceofTaranto said:One voter told us she was going to vote UKIP because the personalised letter to her from Kelly Tolhurst contained lots of spelling errors.
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I hope you're right. I will wait and hear what my MP says about it. I am realistic on the deficit but further such cuts in these departments would be recklessly irresponsible and I could not support them.TheScreamingEagles said:
It is speculation.Casino_Royale said:Someone linked on the last thread that there are 'secret' plans to further slash law & order and defence next year?
I've written to my MP about this. If it's true, I won't be voting Conservative next year.
There is speculation, they can cut other things, increase taxes or do other things.0 -
Yay, Aldi are creating 35,000 jobs in this country by 2022.
I really do like Aldi, they keep the riff-raff out of my local Waitrose.0 -
But you would have thought a CCHQ kitchen sink operation could have provided someone to proof-read?Norm said:
Amusing that really from Ukiper Taranto. For some years now Ukip have told us politicians are all the same which as a fair proportion of them originate from the public school, Oxbridge, lawyer/political adviser route and then choose the party most likely to further their career probably isn't that far off the truth. And I'm sure all of them can spell or use their spellcheckers very well. Tolhurst with her secondary modern education and small business background certainly doesn't fit that bill and just maybe given the pressures of her hectic campaigning she made a couple of spelling errors but then spelling isn't the strongest suit of a number of successful entrepreneurs I know. All parties need politicians cut from more than one cloth.JonnyJimmy said:
I don't think that would make me vote UKIP, but it would definitely put me off voting for Tolhurst.PrinceofTaranto said:One voter told us she was going to vote UKIP because the personalised letter to her from Kelly Tolhurst contained lots of spelling errors.
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Well to be fair I wouldn't imagine she personally would have drafted or checked the letter though she may have signed it herself.Her backroom people should take the blame really.Norm said:
Amusing that really from Ukiper Taranto. For some years now Ukip have told us politicians are all the same which as a fair proportion of them originate from the public school, Oxbridge, lawyer/political adviser route and then choose the party most likely to further their career probably isn't that far off the truth. And I'm sure all of them can spell or use their spellcheckers very well. Tolhurst with her secondary modern education and small business background certainly doesn't fit that bill and just maybe given the pressures of her hectic campaigning she made a couple of spelling errors but then spelling isn't the strongest suit of a number of successful entrepreneurs I know. All parties need politicians cut from more than one cloth.JonnyJimmy said:
I don't think that would make me vote UKIP, but it would definitely put me off voting for Tolhurst.PrinceofTaranto said:One voter told us she was going to vote UKIP because the personalised letter to her from Kelly Tolhurst contained lots of spelling errors.
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I've got a bit of Sheryl Crow going on myself.TheScreamingEagles said:
I now have the urge to start singing Road to Nowhere nowCasino_Royale said:
Where we're going we don't need 'roads'.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well you'll be telling this chap off,Ninoinoz said:
Yes, perhaps it's totally unfair, but correct grammar and spelling matter. Perhaps spending my childhood as an amanuensis to my ethnic community has drilled that into me.PrinceofTaranto said:
One voter told us she was going to vote UKIP because the personalised letter to her from Kelly Tolhurst contained lots of spelling errors.NickPalmer said:
We had a post from someone last week who'd been involved in it - doubt if he's given up.TheScreamingEagles said:
What was the Labour canvassing effort like?
I've heard from an impartial and unimpeachable source that it was non exist in Rochester this weekend.
It should be fewer, not less?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2FXRQzIMAAfzEr.jpg
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We'll be laughing if we hear you've choked on your organic focaccia.TheScreamingEagles said:Yay, Aldi are creating 35,000 jobs in this country by 2022.
I really do like Aldi, they keep the riff-raff out of my local Waitrose.0 -
I may be in a minority of one on this but if there were a grammar nazi party, I'd seriously consider giving it my voteNorm said:
Amusing that really from Ukiper Taranto. For some years now Ukip have told us politicians are all the same which as a fair proportion of them originate from the public school, Oxbridge, lawyer/political adviser route and then choose the party most likely to further their career probably isn't that far off the truth. And I'm sure all of them can spell or use their spellcheckers very well. Tolhurst with her secondary modern education and small business background certainly doesn't fit that bill and just maybe given the pressures of her hectic campaigning she made a couple of spelling errors but then spelling isn't the strongest suit of a number of successful entrepreneurs I know. All parties need politicians cut from more than one cloth.JonnyJimmy said:
I don't think that would make me vote UKIP, but it would definitely put me off voting for Tolhurst.PrinceofTaranto said:One voter told us she was going to vote UKIP because the personalised letter to her from Kelly Tolhurst contained lots of spelling errors.
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From that Times article it sounds like they had a bunch of government ministers hanging around in the back addressing envelopes, they could have got one of them to do it...Ishmael_X said:
But you would have thought a CCHQ kitchen sink operation could have provided someone to proof-read?Norm said:
Amusing that really from Ukiper Taranto. For some years now Ukip have told us politicians are all the same which as a fair proportion of them originate from the public school, Oxbridge, lawyer/political adviser route and then choose the party most likely to further their career probably isn't that far off the truth. And I'm sure all of them can spell or use their spellcheckers very well. Tolhurst with her secondary modern education and small business background certainly doesn't fit that bill and just maybe given the pressures of her hectic campaigning she made a couple of spelling errors but then spelling isn't the strongest suit of a number of successful entrepreneurs I know. All parties need politicians cut from more than one cloth.JonnyJimmy said:
I don't think that would make me vote UKIP, but it would definitely put me off voting for Tolhurst.PrinceofTaranto said:One voter told us she was going to vote UKIP because the personalised letter to her from Kelly Tolhurst contained lots of spelling errors.
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Says it all for secondary modern education when it can be used as an excuse for crap spelling!0
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I've always been slightly bemused by the arguments that the top 1% pay so much in tax. With all due respect to Lord Rothermere, the well known owner of the Daily Mail and reputedly non resident for tax purposes who seemingly has not been out of the UK for many years (See Private Eye passim), how many of his (and DC's & GO's) friends actually pay all the taxes they should?another_richard said:
Have you ever wondered why the top 1% pay so much tax ?MarqueeMark said:another_richard said:
Whereas the establishment parties have been making those on low and average earnings poorer for the last decade.
That the top 10%, and especially the top 1%, have been getting richer is no consolation to the people who have been getting poorer. The opposite in fact.
The top 1% now pay 27.5% of ALL tax in this country. Throughout this Govt., they have paid either 5% or 10% more as a top rate than they did throughout 98% of the term of the last Govt. Meanwhile, several million of the poorest have been taken out of tax altogether.
This has been one of the great tax redistribution Govts. It may embarrass the Left that Labour clung on to Thatcherite tax rates throughout all but the death throes of their regime, but there it is.
Its because they have so much of the income and so much of the wealth.
Now how many of that top 1% have genuinely earned all that income and genuinely created all that wealth ?
What you are boasting about is the UK becoming more unequal with an ever greater divide between the top 1% and everyone else.
Afternoon all.
Then, should we also look into the personal financial activities of the bankers, financiers et al, who seemingly get their wages and bonuses paid in all kinds of ingenious ways to restrict the amount of taxes paid into HMRC.
In the present state of the UK, it is seen as pure stupidity to pay all the taxes that are required. Some of the Working class and the Self Employed can get away with cash in hand (much to the disgust of the chattering politico's) and many other dodges.
Only the middle classes seem to be stuck with PAYE, and no way to make extra money without being caught in the tax net. And after slogging it out at work for wages that have reduced in value for the past seven or eight years, under threats of "redundancy"/dismissal for not being able to complete the increased work load they have been put under while staff levels have been reduced and business costs cut into the bone.
Perhaps there will be a change, just not the one expected.0 -
@Casino_Royale
'Someone linked on the last thread that there are 'secret' plans to further slash law & order and defence next year?'
What's the problem?
The UK has the most generous legal aid system by a country mile in the entire EU and our military spending is the highest of any EU country and we have the third largest military force in NATO. .0 -
I remember my family receiving a letter from Caroline Bearder ,The Lib Dem MEP for the South East ,prior to the last Euro elections addressed to each of us as "Dear Friend". My wife immediately told me that she would never vote for anybody who called her a friend when she had never met them (though she would never have voted for them anyway of course). Little things...Norm said:
Amusing that really from Ukiper Taranto. For some years now Ukip have told us politicians are all the same which as a fair proportion of them originate from the public school, Oxbridge, lawyer/political adviser route and then choose the party most likely to further their career probably isn't that far off the truth. And I'm sure all of them can spell or use their spellcheckers very well. Tolhurst with her secondary modern education and small business background certainly doesn't fit that bill and just maybe given the pressures of her hectic campaigning she made a couple of spelling errors but then spelling isn't the strongest suit of a number of successful entrepreneurs I know. All parties need politicians cut from more than one cloth.JonnyJimmy said:
I don't think that would make me vote UKIP, but it would definitely put me off voting for Tolhurst.PrinceofTaranto said:One voter told us she was going to vote UKIP because the personalised letter to her from Kelly Tolhurst contained lots of spelling errors.
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I really can't understand the hatred of the WWW by the liberal metropolitan elite (middle classes) unless I see it as 'fear of'.
Is that right, do they scare you, those of the above bent (there seem plenty of you on here)?0 -
I hope everyone noted that the Hungarian word for sandwich is szendvics.0
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We hate no one. We love everyone.Swiss_Bob said:I really can't understand the hatred of the WWW by the liberal metropolitan elite (middle classes) unless I see it as 'fear of'.
Is that right, do they scare you, those of the above bent (there seem plenty of you on here)?
I think you'll find the hatred is all one way from the UKIP supporters, who hate anyone who isn't working class/people like them.
The reverse snobbery is overwhelming from the Kippers.
I'm sure, Mark Reckless, educated at Marlborough and Oxford will be the man to show UKIP are the party of the WWC0 -
That's nothing.antifrank said:I hope everyone noted that the Hungarian word for sandwich is szendvics.
The Mongolian word for beaver is Minj.0 -
My nephew's best friend at uni is Mongolian. I shall be checking this factoid.TheScreamingEagles said:
That's nothing.antifrank said:I hope everyone noted that the Hungarian word for sandwich is szendvics.
The Mongolian word for beaver is Minj.0 -
Is there any evidence that Germany would have had another go at France or Poland in the absence of the EEC?MarkSenior said:
Not as many as idiots like you who deny it .Swiss_Bob said:Just seen Ben Bradshaw on the Daily Politics pretending that the EU has kept peace in Europe.
I suppose some mugs believe it.
As far as I can tell, Germany was under heavy military occupation until 1949 on both sides, and until 1989 on the east side. It was garrisoned throughout. Both France and West Germany were members of NATO (the former until 1966) with both military forces facing East.
Now, you can argue that in the absence of NATO and the Russian threat there might have been military competition over the coal and steel in the Ruhr, were it not for the EEC. However, the idea that it was the EEC that kept the peace fails a basic logic test: there was no appetite, plan or desire for any confrontation over coal and steel and, even if there had been (which there wasn't), the common interest of all Western European democracies was to form a cooperative alliance against the Russian threat, which would have made it stupid and dangerous to do otherwise.
The best you can say is that it was gesture politics: it relaxed the French appetite to permanently garrison the Ruhr or the Saar, but by that stage that was based upon little other than Gaullist paranoia, which would have withered in time anyway.
There was an economic case for doing so, of course, but that's quite a different argument.0 -
On legal aid I've been told by lawyer friends that it's been savagely cut back in the last year or so?john_zims said:@Casino_Royale
'Someone linked on the last thread that there are 'secret' plans to further slash law & order and defence next year?'
What's the problem?
The UK has the most generous legal aid system by a country mile in the entire EU and our military spending is the highest of any EU country and we have the third largest military force in NATO. .0 -
Strangers are just friends you haven't met yet.PrinceofTaranto said:
I remember my family receiving a letter from Caroline Bearder ,The Lib Dem MEP for the South East ,prior to the last Euro elections addressed to each of us as "Dear Friend". My wife immediately told me that she would never vote for anybody who called her a friend when she had never met them (though she would never have voted for them anyway of course). Little things...Norm said:
Amusing that really from Ukiper Taranto. For some years now Ukip have told us politicians are all the same which as a fair proportion of them originate from the public school, Oxbridge, lawyer/political adviser route and then choose the party most likely to further their career probably isn't that far off the truth. And I'm sure all of them can spell or use their spellcheckers very well. Tolhurst with her secondary modern education and small business background certainly doesn't fit that bill and just maybe given the pressures of her hectic campaigning she made a couple of spelling errors but then spelling isn't the strongest suit of a number of successful entrepreneurs I know. All parties need politicians cut from more than one cloth.JonnyJimmy said:
I don't think that would make me vote UKIP, but it would definitely put me off voting for Tolhurst.PrinceofTaranto said:One voter told us she was going to vote UKIP because the personalised letter to her from Kelly Tolhurst contained lots of spelling errors.
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Seems a trifle unfair to focus solely on The Daily Mail.Edin_Rokz said:
I've always been slightly bemused by the arguments that the top 1% pay so much in tax. With all due respect to Lord Rothermere, the well known owner of the Daily Mail and reputedly non resident for tax purposes who seemingly has not been out of the UK for many years (See Private Eye passim), how many of his (and DC's & GO's) friends actually pay all the taxes they should?another_richard said:
Have you ever wondered why the top 1% pay so much tax ?MarqueeMark said:another_richard said:
Whereas the establishment parties have been making those on low and average earnings poorer for the last decade.
That the top 10%, and especially the top 1%, have been getting richer is no consolation to the people who have been getting poorer. The opposite in fact.
The top 1% now pay 27.5% of ALL tax in this country. Throughout this Govt., they have paid either 5% or 10% more as a top rate than they did throughout 98% of the term of the last Govt. Meanwhile, several million of the poorest have been taken out of tax altogether.
This has been one of the great tax redistribution Govts. It may embarrass the Left that Labour clung on to Thatcherite tax rates throughout all but the death throes of their regime, but there it is.
Its because they have so much of the income and so much of the wealth.
Now how many of that top 1% have genuinely earned all that income and genuinely created all that wealth ?
What you are boasting about is the UK becoming more unequal with an ever greater divide between the top 1% and everyone else.
Afternoon all.
Then, should we also look into the personal financial activities of the bankers, financiers et al, who seemingly get their wages and bonuses paid in all kinds of ingenious ways to restrict the amount of taxes paid into HMRC.
In the present state of the UK, it is seen as pure stupidity to pay all the taxes that are required. Some of the Working class and the Self Employed can get away with cash in hand (much to the disgust of the chattering politico's) and many other dodges.
Only the middle classes seem to be stuck with PAYE, and no way to make extra money without being caught in the tax net. And after slogging it out at work for wages that have reduced in value for the past seven or eight years, under threats of "redundancy"/dismissal for not being able to complete the increased work load they have been put under while staff levels have been reduced and business costs cut into the bone.
Perhaps there will be a change, just not the one expected.
Tax avoidance is a popular sport amongst all newspaper proprietors, be it the Barclay Bros in the Channel Islands, or the Guardian's trust wheezes.0 -
mind association ....TheScreamingEagles said:
We hate no one. We love everyone.Swiss_Bob said:I really can't understand the hatred of the WWW by the liberal metropolitan elite (middle classes) unless I see it as 'fear of'.
Is that right, do they scare you, those of the above bent (there seem plenty of you on here)?
I think you'll find the hatred is all one way from the UKIP supporters, who hate anyone who isn't working class/people like them.
The reverse snobbery is overwhelming from the Kippers.
I'm sure, Mark Reckless, educated at Marlborough and Oxford will be the man to show UKIP are the party of the WWC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoAPLa-no1E0 -
I think you'll find that's "had" the most generous legal aid...... now.john_zims said:@Casino_Royale
'Someone linked on the last thread that there are 'secret' plans to further slash law & order and defence next year?'
What's the problem?
The UK has the most generous legal aid system by a country mile in the entire EU and our military spending is the highest of any EU country and we have the third largest military force in NATO. .0 -
Not from what you write.TheScreamingEagles said:
We hate no one. We love everyone.Swiss_Bob said:I really can't understand the hatred of the WWW by the liberal metropolitan elite (middle classes) unless I see it as 'fear of'.
Is that right, do they scare you, those of the above bent (there seem plenty of you on here)?
I think you'll find the hatred is all one way from the UKIP supporters, who hate anyone who isn't working class/people like them.
The reverse snobbery is overwhelming from the Kippers.
I'm sure, Mark Reckless, educated at Marlborough and Oxford will be the man to show UKIP are the party of the WWC0 -
As Bearder was the only LD MP to survive in the 2014 Euros maybe she was onto something!PrinceofTaranto said:
I remember my family receiving a letter from Caroline Bearder ,The Lib Dem MEP for the South East ,prior to the last Euro elections addressed to each of us as "Dear Friend". My wife immediately told me that she would never vote for anybody who called her a friend when she had never met them (though she would never have voted for them anyway of course). Little things...Norm said:
Amusing that really from Ukiper Taranto. For some years now Ukip have told us politicians are all the same which as a fair proportion of them originate from the public school, Oxbridge, lawyer/political adviser route and then choose the party most likely to further their career probably isn't that far off the truth. And I'm sure all of them can spell or use their spellcheckers very well. Tolhurst with her secondary modern education and small business background certainly doesn't fit that bill and just maybe given the pressures of her hectic campaigning she made a couple of spelling errors but then spelling isn't the strongest suit of a number of successful entrepreneurs I know. All parties need politicians cut from more than one cloth.JonnyJimmy said:
I don't think that would make me vote UKIP, but it would definitely put me off voting for Tolhurst.PrinceofTaranto said:One voter told us she was going to vote UKIP because the personalised letter to her from Kelly Tolhurst contained lots of spelling errors.
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Still my favourite sounding translation is the Estonian for "twelve months". It's written "kaksteist kuud" and sounds remarkably like "cocks taste good". I think there are a few YouTube videos of immature english men (like me!) getting Estonian girls to say itantifrank said:
My nephew's best friend at uni is Mongolian. I shall be checking this factoid.TheScreamingEagles said:
That's nothing.antifrank said:I hope everyone noted that the Hungarian word for sandwich is szendvics.
The Mongolian word for beaver is Minj.0 -
Yes but we don't get out much these daysOldKingCole said:
Strangers are just friends you haven't met yet.PrinceofTaranto said:
I remember my family receiving a letter from Caroline Bearder ,The Lib Dem MEP for the South East ,prior to the last Euro elections addressed to each of us as "Dear Friend". My wife immediately told me that she would never vote for anybody who called her a friend when she had never met them (though she would never have voted for them anyway of course). Little things...Norm said:
Amusing that really from Ukiper Taranto. For some years now Ukip have told us politicians are all the same which as a fair proportion of them originate from the public school, Oxbridge, lawyer/political adviser route and then choose the party most likely to further their career probably isn't that far off the truth. And I'm sure all of them can spell or use their spellcheckers very well. Tolhurst with her secondary modern education and small business background certainly doesn't fit that bill and just maybe given the pressures of her hectic campaigning she made a couple of spelling errors but then spelling isn't the strongest suit of a number of successful entrepreneurs I know. All parties need politicians cut from more than one cloth.JonnyJimmy said:
I don't think that would make me vote UKIP, but it would definitely put me off voting for Tolhurst.PrinceofTaranto said:One voter told us she was going to vote UKIP because the personalised letter to her from Kelly Tolhurst contained lots of spelling errors.
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Oh God, we've reached the prolier than thou stage. Meanwhile, those sandwiches still apparently have to make themselves.0
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Good afternoon. It would appear that the Ed putsch, if it ever was that, has completely fizzled out0
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Tim Montgomerie @montie 5h5 hours ago
Excellent piece from @oflynnmep - the CBI are nothing more than subsidy junkies http://www.ukip.org/o_flynn_hits_out_at_ludicrous_sense_of_entitlement_of_cbi …
Yes UKIP on the ball here. CBI is nothing but an overgrown quango.0 -
Immigration will be a minor issue for WWC jobs, compared to this...
ROBOTS of the FUTURE will EXTERMINATE UK jobs – study
One in three UK jobs will be performed by machine in as little as 20 years, according to a new study carried out by Deloitte and the University of Oxford.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/11/10/rise_of_the_robot_workforce_theyre_after_your_job/
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Last matched price on Betfair for Ed Miliband next Prime Minister: 2.72.The_Last_Boy_Scout said:Good afternoon. It would appear that the Ed putsch, if it ever was that, has completely fizzled out
I can't see Ed Miliband being deposed, but the collective lack of enthusiasm for him on the Labour benches is tangible.0 -
Drawbridge pulled up?PrinceofTaranto said:
Yes but we don't get out much these daysOldKingCole said:
Strangers are just friends you haven't met yet.PrinceofTaranto said:
I remember my family receiving a letter from Caroline Bearder ,The Lib Dem MEP for the South East ,prior to the last Euro elections addressed to each of us as "Dear Friend". My wife immediately told me that she would never vote for anybody who called her a friend when she had never met them (though she would never have voted for them anyway of course). Little things...Norm said:
Amusing that really from Ukiper Taranto. For some years now Ukip have told us politicians are all the same which as a fair proportion of them originate from the public school, Oxbridge, lawyer/political adviser route and then choose the party most likely to further their career probably isn't that far off the truth. And I'm sure all of them can spell or use their spellcheckers very well. Tolhurst with her secondary modern education and small business background certainly doesn't fit that bill and just maybe given the pressures of her hectic campaigning she made a couple of spelling errors but then spelling isn't the strongest suit of a number of successful entrepreneurs I know. All parties need politicians cut from more than one cloth.JonnyJimmy said:
I don't think that would make me vote UKIP, but it would definitely put me off voting for Tolhurst.PrinceofTaranto said:One voter told us she was going to vote UKIP because the personalised letter to her from Kelly Tolhurst contained lots of spelling errors.
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Yes UKIP on the ball here. CBI is nothing but an overgrown quango.
That O'Flynn piece conjured up the spirit of St. Margaret.0 -
BBC rapped for airing comments by British Muslim fighting for Isis that compared killing in Syria to playing computer games, to be broadcast
http://m.asianimage.co.uk/news/11591728.BBC_Radio_1_s_Newsbeat_breached_rules_over_ISIS_interview/0 -
And hurrah for that!The_Last_Boy_Scout said:Good afternoon. It would appear that the Ed putsch, if it ever was that, has completely fizzled out
The press spending a few days reporting that half his shadow ministers think he's craperoo isn't going to help him much.
If you think it's definitely over you should be piling into Shadsy's 1/6 on him staying to the GE0 -
Mr O’Flynn said: “This is the big business lobby group that insisted the only viable economic future for Britain was as a member of the euro, so its judgments should always be questioned."taffys said:Yes UKIP on the ball here. CBI is nothing but an overgrown quango.
That O'Flynn piece conjured up the spirit of St. Margaret.0 -
Well it is on urban dictionary.antifrank said:
My nephew's best friend at uni is Mongolian. I shall be checking this factoid.TheScreamingEagles said:
That's nothing.antifrank said:I hope everyone noted that the Hungarian word for sandwich is szendvics.
The Mongolian word for beaver is Minj.0 -
I'm off to EstoniaJonnyJimmy said:
Still my favourite sounding translation is the Estonian for "twelve months". It's written "kaksteist kuud" and sounds remarkably like "cocks taste good". I think there are a few YouTube videos of immature english men (like me!) getting Estonian girls to say itantifrank said:
My nephew's best friend at uni is Mongolian. I shall be checking this factoid.TheScreamingEagles said:
That's nothing.antifrank said:I hope everyone noted that the Hungarian word for sandwich is szendvics.
The Mongolian word for beaver is Minj.
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This is such a meaningless statistic that is trotted out with witless regularity by apologists for extreme income inequality. Such a statistic is meaningless when it is presented without the context of the share of UK income that is taken by the richest 1%.MarqueeMark said:The top 1% now pay 27.5% of ALL tax in this country.
Here's a chart I found for you that shows that the reason the top 1% are paying a greater share of [income] tax in this country is because they are taking a larger share of income in this country. According to the chart, a flat rate income tax would have seen the top 1% pay more than 15% of all income tax even back in 2005.
This suggests that the tax rate for the richest 1% is less than double that of the rest of the country. Perhaps their accountants would be able to explain?0 -
Maybe.Perhaps Labour should start addressing letters "Dear Comrade " to get their vote out.RobC said:
As Bearder was the only LD MP to survive in the 2014 Euros maybe she was onto something!PrinceofTaranto said:
I remember my family receiving a letter from Caroline Bearder ,The Lib Dem MEP for the South East ,prior to the last Euro elections addressed to each of us as "Dear Friend". My wife immediately told me that she would never vote for anybody who called her a friend when she had never met them (though she would never have voted for them anyway of course). Little things...Norm said:
Amusing that really from Ukiper Taranto. For some years now Ukip have told us politicians are all the same which as a fair proportion of them originate from the public school, Oxbridge, lawyer/political adviser route and then choose the party most likely to further their career probably isn't that far off the truth. And I'm sure all of them can spell or use their spellcheckers very well. Tolhurst with her secondary modern education and small business background certainly doesn't fit that bill and just maybe given the pressures of her hectic campaigning she made a couple of spelling errors but then spelling isn't the strongest suit of a number of successful entrepreneurs I know. All parties need politicians cut from more than one cloth.JonnyJimmy said:
I don't think that would make me vote UKIP, but it would definitely put me off voting for Tolhurst.PrinceofTaranto said:One voter told us she was going to vote UKIP because the personalised letter to her from Kelly Tolhurst contained lots of spelling errors.
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Swiss_Bob said:
Not from what you write.TheScreamingEagles said:
We hate no one. We love everyone.Swiss_Bob said:I really can't understand the hatred of the WWW by the liberal metropolitan elite (middle classes) unless I see it as 'fear of'.
Is that right, do they scare you, those of the above bent (there seem plenty of you on here)?
I think you'll find the hatred is all one way from the UKIP supporters, who hate anyone who isn't working class/people like them.
The reverse snobbery is overwhelming from the Kippers.
I'm sure, Mark Reckless, educated at Marlborough and Oxford will be the man to show UKIP are the party of the WWC
You miss the subtly of my observations.Swiss_Bob said:
Not from what you write.TheScreamingEagles said:
We hate no one. We love everyone.Swiss_Bob said:I really can't understand the hatred of the WWW by the liberal metropolitan elite (middle classes) unless I see it as 'fear of'.
Is that right, do they scare you, those of the above bent (there seem plenty of you on here)?
I think you'll find the hatred is all one way from the UKIP supporters, who hate anyone who isn't working class/people like them.
The reverse snobbery is overwhelming from the Kippers.
I'm sure, Mark Reckless, educated at Marlborough and Oxford will be the man to show UKIP are the party of the WWC
WWC = Very good
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Bob fecking Carolgees.
I love you Scrapheap.0 -
@OldKingCole
'I think you'll find that's "had" the most generous legal aid...... now.'
Nope,it's still enormous compared with other EU countries..
Britain has largest legal aid budget in Europe, says report ...
www.telegraph.co.uk › News › UK News › Law and Order
9 Oct 2014 - The UK's legal aid budget was £2 billion (€2.6 billion) compared with France's ... Among the most senior judges in the country, Supreme Court ...0 -
I remember reading a very good article that said the reason we have peace in Europe is that by and large now everyone has carved out their own country. The places where there has been war (Ukraine, Yugoslavia) and civil conflict (Basque country, Ulster) in the post WWII era would tend to bear this out. If those Austro-Hungarians had let Serbia go, or there already was ein volk, ein reich then maybe the two world wars might not have happened.MarkSenior said:
Not as many as idiots like you who deny it .Swiss_Bob said:Just seen Ben Bradshaw on the Daily Politics pretending that the EU has kept peace in Europe.
I suppose some mugs believe it.0 -
Another reason we don't need immigration.MarkHopkins said:
Immigration will be a minor issue for WWC jobs, compared to this...
ROBOTS of the FUTURE will EXTERMINATE UK jobs – study
One in three UK jobs will be performed by machine in as little as 20 years, according to a new study carried out by Deloitte and the University of Oxford.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/11/10/rise_of_the_robot_workforce_theyre_after_your_job/0 -
Mr. Isam, broadcasters sometimes make bloody silly decisions.
I recall Sky News granting anonymity to interview three looters after the rioting and looting in 2011. Viewers, myself amongst them, were universally unimpressed.
Mr. Scout, indeed. Miliband is safe. For now.
Labour should never have voted him to be leader (to be fair, neither members nor MPs wanted him). And they left it far too late, again, to do anything about it.0 -
@TSE
For all its faults I cannot see how UKIP is any worse than Labour or the Tories.
I would not wish to bore everyone to death with my long, detailed and referenced diatribe justifying that but I'm sure those on both sides would agree that I can do it with reference to the 'other' side.0 -
35% strategy unnecessarily cautious?dr_spyn said:Britain Elects @britainelects 1m1 minute ago
National Opinion Poll (Populus):
LAB - 36% (+1)
CON - 34% (+1)
UKIP - 13% (-1)
LDEM - 8% (-1)
GRN - 4% (-)
Even as a hardened politico who's been saying for months that opinion is entrenched, I'm struck by the fact that this week seems to have done Labour's VI no damage whatsoever. But we'll see if Ashcroft or ICM suggest differently.
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Until his next calamity - He's unlikely to come out of the Rochester by-election unscathed.The_Last_Boy_Scout said:Good afternoon. It would appear that the Ed putsch, if it ever was that, has completely fizzled out
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Kipper-phobe!TheScreamingEagles said:Swiss_Bob said:
Not from what you write.TheScreamingEagles said:
We hate no one. We love everyone.Swiss_Bob said:I really can't understand the hatred of the WWW by the liberal metropolitan elite (middle classes) unless I see it as 'fear of'.
Is that right, do they scare you, those of the above bent (there seem plenty of you on here)?
I think you'll find the hatred is all one way from the UKIP supporters, who hate anyone who isn't working class/people like them.
The reverse snobbery is overwhelming from the Kippers.
I'm sure, Mark Reckless, educated at Marlborough and Oxford will be the man to show UKIP are the party of the WWC
You miss the subtly of my observations.Swiss_Bob said:
Not from what you write.TheScreamingEagles said:
We hate no one. We love everyone.Swiss_Bob said:I really can't understand the hatred of the WWW by the liberal metropolitan elite (middle classes) unless I see it as 'fear of'.
Is that right, do they scare you, those of the above bent (there seem plenty of you on here)?
I think you'll find the hatred is all one way from the UKIP supporters, who hate anyone who isn't working class/people like them.
The reverse snobbery is overwhelming from the Kippers.
I'm sure, Mark Reckless, educated at Marlborough and Oxford will be the man to show UKIP are the party of the WWC
WWC = Very good
UKIP = Very bad0 -
CBI = Conservative Business Interests
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To me the Ukip share is too low (and I say that as a non Kipper!). However the "bad" publicity for Ed may well have not done any harm to your party.NickPalmer said:
35% strategy unnecessarily cautious?dr_spyn said:Britain Elects @britainelects 1m1 minute ago
National Opinion Poll (Populus):
LAB - 36% (+1)
CON - 34% (+1)
UKIP - 13% (-1)
LDEM - 8% (-1)
GRN - 4% (-)
Even as a hardened politico who's been saying for months that opinion is entrenched, I'm struck by the fact that this week seems to have done Labour's VI no damage whatsoever. But we'll see if Ashcroft or ICM suggest differently.0 -
YesThe_Last_Boy_Scout said:Good afternoon. It would appear that the Ed putsch, if it ever was that, has completely fizzled out
So Ed Miliband survives to lose another day.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11220865/Labour-and-Ed-Miliband-are-going-down-together.html0 -
Ah well the good news is he is brown bread nowMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Isam, broadcasters sometimes make bloody silly decisions.
I recall Sky News granting anonymity to interview three looters after the rioting and looting in 2011. Viewers, myself amongst them, were universally unimpressed.
Mr. Scout, indeed. Miliband is safe. For now.
Labour should never have voted him to be leader (to be fair, neither members nor MPs wanted him). And they left it far too late, again, to do anything about it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29974766
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So the happy tradition of Labour never getting rid of unpopular leaders continues.The_Last_Boy_Scout said:Good afternoon. It would appear that the Ed putsch, if it ever was that, has completely fizzled out
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What is the sixth former telling the CBI..0
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The Dutch word for whipped cream is slagroom.TheScreamingEagles said:
That's nothing.antifrank said:I hope everyone noted that the Hungarian word for sandwich is szendvics.
The Mongolian word for beaver is Minj.0 -
@GuidoFawkes: Ed Downgrades PM Chances From “When” to “If”:
http://t.co/p4zi232NKE
SEPT: “When I am Prime Minister"
TODAY: "If I am Prime Minister"0 -
Equally my impression is that the EU row doesn't seem to have done the Tories any damage. No one is buying Osborne's spin but people seem resigned to us paying the £1.7 billion and there isn't the anger out there you might have expected .Labour should be pushing the £1.7 billion is 60,000 nurses etc but they can't for obvious reasons.Surprised UKIP haven't made more of this.Norm said:
To me the Ukip share is too low (and I say that as a non Kipper!). However the "bad" publicity for Ed may well have not done any harm to your party.NickPalmer said:
35% strategy unnecessarily cautious?dr_spyn said:Britain Elects @britainelects 1m1 minute ago
National Opinion Poll (Populus):
LAB - 36% (+1)
CON - 34% (+1)
UKIP - 13% (-1)
LDEM - 8% (-1)
GRN - 4% (-)
Even as a hardened politico who's been saying for months that opinion is entrenched, I'm struck by the fact that this week seems to have done Labour's VI no damage whatsoever. But we'll see if Ashcroft or ICM suggest differently.
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If labour is in plentiful supply what effect do you think this has on rates of pay?antifrank said:
At the very least, you are wallowing in impossibilism (good luck trying to persuade people on benefits to work 35 hours a week for no more money because it's good for their soul). Instead of wanting the world to be how you would like it to be, try dealing with the world as it actually is. Someone has to make the sandwiches. Why not immigrants who are ready and willing to do so?Indigo said:
You really are on a roll today. I am strongly in favor of controlled immigration to the UK, in the manner of the Australian or Canadian points system, and yet I manage to be married to an immigrant, have adopted an immigrant, and be currently teaching poor children in a third world country.. xenophobia ?antifrank said:
Once you realise that the driving force is xenophobia rather than looking after the interests of the local population, you realise that the anti-immigration people would be entirely comfortable with that outcome.edmundintokyo said:
Where the anti-immigration people's policy actually leads is that the people get replaced by imported sandwiches or a sandwich-making machine made somewhere with cheaper labour.antifrank said:
In a couple of hours, I expect the conclusion will be reached that the sandwiches ought to make themselves.
Do you think its healthy for us as a nation to let a proportion of our population sit around playing x box (whilst we pay them for the privilege) whilst we import others who are willing to work?
I have a brother in law who had work but he had to get up early and work hard for his cash.
He has made a lifestyle choice now to sit at home whilst those of us that strive pick up the tab.
I know someone who told their father that getting up early to go to work was "a mugs game"
We need a safety net to help those who cannot look after themselves or have fallen on hard times but too many people seem to think the world owes them a living
Perhaps the world needs to change?
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@tnewtondunn: Stinker of a question from CBI audience to Ed: "Do you ever wish the other guy had won?" Ed stroppily replies: "Definitely not. Next".0
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We have a minimum wage for better or worse.Floater said:
If labour is in plentiful supply what effect do you think this has on rates of pay?antifrank said:
At the very least, you are wallowing in impossibilism (good luck trying to persuade people on benefits to work 35 hours a week for no more money because it's good for their soul). Instead of wanting the world to be how you would like it to be, try dealing with the world as it actually is. Someone has to make the sandwiches. Why not immigrants who are ready and willing to do so?Indigo said:
You really are on a roll today. I am strongly in favor of controlled immigration to the UK, in the manner of the Australian or Canadian points system, and yet I manage to be married to an immigrant, have adopted an immigrant, and be currently teaching poor children in a third world country.. xenophobia ?antifrank said:
Once you realise that the driving force is xenophobia rather than looking after the interests of the local population, you realise that the anti-immigration people would be entirely comfortable with that outcome.edmundintokyo said:
Where the anti-immigration people's policy actually leads is that the people get replaced by imported sandwiches or a sandwich-making machine made somewhere with cheaper labour.antifrank said:
In a couple of hours, I expect the conclusion will be reached that the sandwiches ought to make themselves.
Whatever happened to personal responsibility for making your way in the world ?
Statist solutions don't work.
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Are Kippers anti-robots ? Coming over here taking our jobs !FalseFlag said:
Another reason we don't need immigration.MarkHopkins said:
Immigration will be a minor issue for WWC jobs, compared to this...
ROBOTS of the FUTURE will EXTERMINATE UK jobs – study
One in three UK jobs will be performed by machine in as little as 20 years, according to a new study carried out by Deloitte and the University of Oxford.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/11/10/rise_of_the_robot_workforce_theyre_after_your_job/
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A German hovercraft is a Luftkissenboot.0
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Oh dear.
Ed's new slogan is "credible change"
So who is going to be the credible change from Ed Miliband then?0 -
Oh come on. We’ve heard this since the first powered loom was invented.TGOHF said:
Are Kippers anti-robots ? Coming over here taking our jobs !FalseFlag said:
Another reason we don't need immigration.MarkHopkins said:
Immigration will be a minor issue for WWC jobs, compared to this...
ROBOTS of the FUTURE will EXTERMINATE UK jobs – study
One in three UK jobs will be performed by machine in as little as 20 years, according to a new study carried out by Deloitte and the University of Oxford.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/11/10/rise_of_the_robot_workforce_theyre_after_your_job/0 -
The minimum wage is irrelevant.
If housing benefit was reduced over time forcing those who don't work to cheaper areas then the cost of renting in London would fall. It would also force businesses to pay decent wages or move their businesses to cheaper locations. Housing benefit and other benefits in places like London subsidise business. It's stupid.0 -
@BBCNormanS: Q. Have u suffered a crisis of confidence ? A. The answer is No - Ed Miliband #cbi20140
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I suppose thats better than an Unterseeboot. Torpedoes awayyyyyyyyyyy..........Morris_Dancer said:A German hovercraft is a Luftkissenboot.
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You ask more sensible questions. I'm all in favour of paying a living wage (and if that means sandwiches are more expensive, so be it, though that won't be a popular view).Floater said:
If labour is in plentiful supply what effect do you think this has on rates of pay?
Do you think its healthy for us as a nation to let a proportion of our population sit around playing x box (whilst we pay them for the privilege) whilst we import others who are willing to work?
I have a brother in law who had work but he had to get up early and work hard for his cash.
He has made a lifestyle choice now to sit at home whilst those of us that strive pick up the tab.
I know someone who told their father that getting up early to go to work was "a mugs game"
We need a safety net to help those who cannot look after themselves or have fallen on hard times but too many people seem to think the world owes them a living
Perhaps the world needs to change?
Right now, we have record numbers of people in employment. The current government's welfare reforms do seem as if they may have encouraged people into the workforce (the Bank of England monetary committee has tentatively proposed this), which if that is the case is a good thing.
We're fast approaching record percentages of the workforce in employment, so the supply of labour looks likely to be tightening in the coming months. That may help employers see the benefit of raising wages - but I'm in favour of governments pushing them further in that direction.
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Maybe this is Dave's attempt to appeal to UKIP voters:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/tax/11197224/David-Cameron-Roads-revolution-will-create-new-lanes-for-motorways.html0 -
Oh God, the two Eds really need to learn that self-declaring they're "credible" means that people will think they're the exact opposite of credible. It stinks of "the lady doth protest too much".Scott_P said:Oh dear.
Ed's new slogan is "credible change"
So who is going to be the credible change from Ed Miliband then?
It's the equivalent of a schoolkid proclaiming himself to be "cool" and expecting the other kids to actually think he's cool just because he's saying it.0 -
Are the Telegraph short of a headline? These programmes were announced in the last budgetAndyJS said:Maybe this is Dave's attempt to appeal to UKIP voters:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/tax/11197224/David-Cameron-Roads-revolution-will-create-new-lanes-for-motorways.html0 -
@schofieldkevin: Ed Miliband tells the CBI: "My time has run out." Yup.0
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No it’s re-releasing a PR statement and hoping everyone’s forgotten about the first one!Flightpath said:
Are the Telegraph short of a headline? These programmes were announced in the last budgetAndyJS said:Maybe this is Dave's attempt to appeal to UKIP voters:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/tax/11197224/David-Cameron-Roads-revolution-will-create-new-lanes-for-motorways.html0 -
Bill Cash's son selected as UKIP candidate in Labour's top target from the Tories in North Warwickshire:
http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2014/11/10/william-cash-will-stand-as-ukip-candidate/0 -
Romanian for "with butter" is "cu unt". Cue [childish] hilarity at the supermarket.
http://www.orklafoods.ro/images/produse/linco_margarina_unt_500.jpg0 -
Yeah I'd agree NATO was more responsible than the EU for maintaining peace.Swiss_Bob said:0 -
I went up to Wakefield in the grim North at the weekend to among other things visit West Yorkshire Sculpture Park which incidentally is well worth visiting. However contrary to opinion down south the roads are just as crap and pothole strewn as down here in Kent. Any party promising to upgrade the UK's worn out roads will win the GE imo.AndyJS said:Maybe this is Dave's attempt to appeal to UKIP voters:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/tax/11197224/David-Cameron-Roads-revolution-will-create-new-lanes-for-motorways.html0 -
Any party who actually sorts out the 80 miles of daily pain on the M6 between Birmingham and Thelwall Viaduct will get a Christmas card from me forever.Norm said:
I went up to Wakefield in the grim North at the weekend to among other things visit West Yorkshire Sculpture Park which incidentally is well worth visiting. However contrary to opinion down south the roads are just as crap and pothole strewn as down here in Kent. Any party promising to upgrade the UK's worn out roads will win the GE imo.AndyJS said:Maybe this is Dave's attempt to appeal to UKIP voters:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/tax/11197224/David-Cameron-Roads-revolution-will-create-new-lanes-for-motorways.html
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How long until we see Ed Ballsack?
It was bad enough for the Welsh rugby team at the weekend after being defeated by Australia, but spare a thought for Jake Ball.
The rugby union star is probably going to have to deal with an unfortunate new nickname thanks to BBC Sport: Jake Ballsack.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/fun/news/a609014/bbc-sport-sorry-for-calling-welsh-rugby-star-jake-ballsack.html#~oVe1D4GYPV4GZ7
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@LordAshcroft: The campaign against Mark Reckless in Rochester & Strood is now sustained negative attacks against him rather than against UKIP. #willitwork0
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I've been there a few times, love the underground gallery in particular.Norm said:
I went up to Wakefield in the grim North at the weekend to among other things visit West Yorkshire Sculpture Park which incidentally is well worth visiting. However contrary to opinion down south the roads are just as crap and pothole strewn as down here in Kent. Any party promising to upgrade the UK's worn out roads will win the GE imo.AndyJS said:Maybe this is Dave's attempt to appeal to UKIP voters:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/tax/11197224/David-Cameron-Roads-revolution-will-create-new-lanes-for-motorways.html0 -
No one is paying £1.7 billion so your equation with nurses is facile. Plus whatever the sums are its a one off so there would be no money for x nurses next year. On top of which the x nurses would pay tax but cost us all NI payments and holiday pay and pensions contributions.PrinceofTaranto said:
Equally my impression is that the EU row doesn't seem to have done the Tories any damage. No one is buying Osborne's spin but people seem resigned to us paying the £1.7 billion and there isn't the anger out there you might have expected .Labour should be pushing the £1.7 billion is 60,000 nurses etc but they can't for obvious reasons.Surprised UKIP haven't made more of this.Norm said:
To me the Ukip share is too low (and I say that as a non Kipper!). However the "bad" publicity for Ed may well have not done any harm to your party.NickPalmer said:
35% strategy unnecessarily cautious?dr_spyn said:Britain Elects @britainelects 1m1 minute ago
National Opinion Poll (Populus):
LAB - 36% (+1)
CON - 34% (+1)
UKIP - 13% (-1)
LDEM - 8% (-1)
GRN - 4% (-)
Even as a hardened politico who's been saying for months that opinion is entrenched, I'm struck by the fact that this week seems to have done Labour's VI no damage whatsoever. But we'll see if Ashcroft or ICM suggest differently.
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Which he invited with his duplicitous behaviour. Can't see this as a legitimate complaint.TheScreamingEagles said:@LordAshcroft: The campaign against Mark Reckless in Rochester & Strood is now sustained negative attacks against him rather than against UKIP. #willitwork
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Perhaps the general public are more used to getting unexpected bills than politicians, and realise that however annoying they may be, they have to be paid.Flightpath said:
No one is paying £1.7 billion so your equation with nurses is facile. Plus whatever the sums are its a one off so there would be no money for x nurses next year. On top of which the x nurses would pay tax but cost us all NI payments and holiday pay and pensions contributions.PrinceofTaranto said:
Equally my impression is that the EU row doesn't seem to have done the Tories any damage. No one is buying Osborne's spin but people seem resigned to us paying the £1.7 billion and there isn't the anger out there you might have expected .Labour should be pushing the £1.7 billion is 60,000 nurses etc but they can't for obvious reasons.Surprised UKIP haven't made more of this.Norm said:
To me the Ukip share is too low (and I say that as a non Kipper!). However the "bad" publicity for Ed may well have not done any harm to your party.NickPalmer said:
35% strategy unnecessarily cautious?dr_spyn said:Britain Elects @britainelects 1m1 minute ago
National Opinion Poll (Populus):
LAB - 36% (+1)
CON - 34% (+1)
UKIP - 13% (-1)
LDEM - 8% (-1)
GRN - 4% (-)
Even as a hardened politico who's been saying for months that opinion is entrenched, I'm struck by the fact that this week seems to have done Labour's VI no damage whatsoever. But we'll see if Ashcroft or ICM suggest differently.0 -
Can't see this as a legitimate complaint.
Ashcroft has been very critical of the way the tories handle the UKIP threat. Wonder if today's poll will underline his point.0
