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  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173
    edited November 2014

    felix said:

    antifrank said:

    Why did George Osborne read the Guardian in the House of Commons?

    Ed Balls did an article in the guardian last Friday about the 1.7bn.

    George pointed out that not once did Ed mention the rebate.
    Unlike the EU press release on 27/10/14
    Which gave NO figures. Give it up - the public have spoken in favour of the government on this and Balls has been found out today by a cleverer opponent.
    Which part of "Let me point out in this respect that the UK will benefit from the UK rebate for the additional payments in 2014. This will be budgeted in May 2015 when the UK rebate is recalculated." in the attached do you not understand.

    Osbournes blatant lie will be found out

    http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_SPEECH-14-723_en.htm
    I repeat - it gives NO figures - and that's why neither you, or more importantly, Ed Balls, UKIP or anyone else said a word about it till we got £850m. The British public know who to trust when dealing with money and it ain't the EdnEd show.
  • taffys said:

    I neither hate Poles, nor love Putin.

    There were so many straw men in that post of Flightpath's it is untrue.

    Not forgetting the gratuitous unsupported insults.
  • antifrank said:

    Here's a table that should concentrate a few Labour MPs' minds:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2F6KVACMAA3HMZ.jpg:large

    That Conservative block is mighty solid. The essence of swingback, in fact - those that still support the government after 3+ years are genuinely a solid block, and the government will [normally] only add to them.
    If I were a Labour supporter, I'd goggle at the fact that 1 in 6 current Labour supporters in fact seem to prefer the idea of five more years of the Conservatives, never mind the state of mind of UKIP supporters and swing voters.
  • DavidL said:

    Any sign of the ICM? Don't have time to read the whole thread so apologies if it has already been linked to.

    No. Not yet.
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,366
    Mr Eagles,

    I noticed that the survey you took at the weekend showed marked Ukip tendencies. Are you a "shy kipper" by any chance?

    Don't hide it any longer. Step out of the closet and say it loudly. "I'm a Kipper, and I'm proud."
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JohnRentoul: Remarkable. Everyone agreed @George_Osborne overspun EU surcharge deal until @edballsmp attacked in Commons & came off worse.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173
    BenM said:

    I wonder if, while scheming behind Blair's back in support of his Master Mr Brown a decade ago, Ed Balls ever thought that a few years later he'd be so completely out-thought - nay utterly outclassed - on a daily basis by his opponent on what he must think is his home turf brief?

    I secretly shuddered when I heard the news of Balls's Urgent Question this morning. Balls should have kept schtum. There was only going to be one outcome. Sigh.

    Like - we're on opposite sides but if only some of the other leftie posters on here had your insight into realpolitik..
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    felix said:

    felix said:

    antifrank said:

    Why did George Osborne read the Guardian in the House of Commons?

    Ed Balls did an article in the guardian last Friday about the 1.7bn.

    George pointed out that not once did Ed mention the rebate.
    Unlike the EU press release on 27/10/14
    Which gave NO figures. Give it up - the public have spoken in favour of the government on this and Balls has been found out today by a cleverer opponent.
    Which part of "Let me point out in this respect that the UK will benefit from the UK rebate for the additional payments in 2014. This will be budgeted in May 2015 when the UK rebate is recalculated." in the attached do you not understand.

    Osbournes blatant lie will be found out

    http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_SPEECH-14-723_en.htm
    I repeat - it gives NO figures - and that's why neither you, or more importantly, Ed Balls, UKIP or anyone else said a word about it till we got £850m. The British public know who to trust when dealing with money and it ain't the EdnEd show.
    Well most PB Tories felt stupid for defending GO over I have halved the Bill and actually admitted so when they saw this press release.
    You are special
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    Sean_F said:

    taffys said:

    As screaming eagles says, the hatred comes from UKIP. That you spout on about 'white' working class shows your prejudice and bigotry.

    This kind of comment is the very thing Lord Ashcroft is annoyed about. The plain fact is that millions are either voting UKIP or contemplating it. The conservatives will need a deep reservoir of these votes to get anwhere close to the winning post.

    In what world are you going to win someone's vote by labelling them a bigot.

    Then the intolerants should stop coming out with their racial 'ting tong' comments. They should also decide what the priorities of hate are. Poles are white and have a strong christian work ethic. But UKIP hate them. Putin of course is a totalitarian atheistic dictator and kippers love him. I guess because he is a crude nationalist which Farage and other thick kippers associate with 'strong'.
    Just how do you argue with proponents who spout this rubbish (as opposed to voters who are subject to the propaganda) without pointing out just what they are?
    I neither hate Poles, nor love Putin.

    I can hear the kipper rhetoric and dog whistles and the inferences about Romanians and I can hear Farage praising Putin and Reckless praising Gadaffi.
    You may be totally incapable of joining the dots but I can.
  • CD13 said:

    Mr Eagles,

    I noticed that the survey you took at the weekend showed marked Ukip tendencies. Are you a "shy kipper" by any chance?

    Don't hide it any longer. Step out of the closet and say it loudly. "I'm a Kipper, and I'm proud."

    The quiz was flawed.

    The Kippers today have reminded me of why I'd sooner trap my manhood in the door than vote UKIP.

    Forced deportations of immigrants was one such suggestion.
  • Sean_F said:

    taffys said:

    As screaming eagles says, the hatred comes from UKIP. That you spout on about 'white' working class shows your prejudice and bigotry.

    This kind of comment is the very thing Lord Ashcroft is annoyed about. The plain fact is that millions are either voting UKIP or contemplating it. The conservatives will need a deep reservoir of these votes to get anwhere close to the winning post.

    In what world are you going to win someone's vote by labelling them a bigot.

    Then the intolerants should stop coming out with their racial 'ting tong' comments. They should also decide what the priorities of hate are. Poles are white and have a strong christian work ethic. But UKIP hate them. Putin of course is a totalitarian atheistic dictator and kippers love him. I guess because he is a crude nationalist which Farage and other thick kippers associate with 'strong'.
    Just how do you argue with proponents who spout this rubbish (as opposed to voters who are subject to the propaganda) without pointing out just what they are?
    I neither hate Poles, nor love Putin.

    I can hear the kipper rhetoric and dog whistles and the inferences about Romanians and I can hear Farage praising Putin and Reckless praising Gadaffi.
    You may be totally incapable of joining the dots but I can.
    The NHS is fantastic, I'm sure they can deal with the voices in your head.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014

    DavidL said:

    Any sign of the ICM? Don't have time to read the whole thread so apologies if it has already been linked to.

    No. Not yet.
    Many thanks.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    Remember that the correct move on the spreads at the last GE was basically Buy Labour.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173
    edited November 2014

    felix said:

    felix said:

    antifrank said:

    Why did George Osborne read the Guardian in the House of Commons?

    Ed Balls did an article in the guardian last Friday about the 1.7bn.

    George pointed out that not once did Ed mention the rebate.
    Unlike the EU press release on 27/10/14
    Which gave NO figures. Give it up - the public have spoken in favour of the government on this and Balls has been found out today by a cleverer opponent.
    Which part of "Let me point out in this respect that the UK will benefit from the UK rebate for the additional payments in 2014. This will be budgeted in May 2015 when the UK rebate is recalculated." in the attached do you not understand.

    Osbournes blatant lie will be found out

    http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_SPEECH-14-723_en.htm
    I repeat - it gives NO figures - and that's why neither you, or more importantly, Ed Balls, UKIP or anyone else said a word about it till we got £850m. The British public know who to trust when dealing with money and it ain't the EdnEd show.
    Well most PB Tories felt stupid for defending GO over I have halved the Bill and actually admitted so when they saw this press release.
    You are special
    Ha ha ha - not special, just right - did you not see the polling which backs Cameron on the issue? Try reading BenM post - you might just learn something. BTW - were you really counting up the PB Tory comments - how amusing.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Robert Kimbell ‏@RedHotSquirrel 2m2 minutes ago
    UKIP Migrate to Millbank http://guyfawk.es/1xrC9Kw via @guidofawkes
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    edited November 2014
    @‌bigjohnowls

    'Well most PB Tories felt stupid for defending GO over I have halved the Bill and actually admitted so when they saw this press release.'

    That was until they heard Ed Balls this afternoon
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    I am sure it is just me but has Ashcroft's pollsters responded to the derision occasioned by the early volatility by the application of a thick layer of concrete?

    Or is there some sort of technical reason why this might happen as they build up a bigger data base?
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    edited November 2014
    Swiss_Bob said:

    taffys said:

    I neither hate Poles, nor love Putin.

    There were so many straw men in that post of Flightpath's it is untrue.

    Not forgetting the gratuitous unsupported insults.
    I'm not fooled by your pretence.
    I can hear the dog whistles. Kipper ideology is founded on hate and they are happy to peddle socialism when it suits them. The more I hear the less I like.

    Is 'ting tong' asian for 'straw man' then?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Both Bercow and backbench MPs furious at the shenanigans currently going on in the House of Commons.
  • CD13 said:

    Mr Eagles,

    I noticed that the survey you took at the weekend showed marked Ukip tendencies. Are you a "shy kipper" by any chance?

    Don't hide it any longer. Step out of the closet and say it loudly. "I'm a Kipper, and I'm proud."

    I'm kinda shy :)

  • The Kippers today have reminded me of why I'd sooner trap my manhood in the door than vote UKIP.

    What manhood?

    (only kidding!)
  • CD13 said:

    Mr Eagles,

    I noticed that the survey you took at the weekend showed marked Ukip tendencies. Are you a "shy kipper" by any chance?

    Don't hide it any longer. Step out of the closet and say it loudly. "I'm a Kipper, and I'm proud."

    The quiz was flawed.

    The Kippers today have reminded me of why I'd sooner trap my manhood in the door than vote UKIP.

    Forced deportations of immigrants was one such suggestion.
    No one seriously believes in forced deportations of immigrants, I'm sure a few like the idea, you could find them in any party, especially if they'd had a beer or two.

    Deportations of serious criminals, I have no problem with that.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    felix said:

    felix said:

    felix said:

    antifrank said:

    Why did George Osborne read the Guardian in the House of Commons?

    Ed Balls did an article in the guardian last Friday about the 1.7bn.

    George pointed out that not once did Ed mention the rebate.
    Unlike the EU press release on 27/10/14
    Which gave NO figures. Give it up - the public have spoken in favour of the government on this and Balls has been found out today by a cleverer opponent.
    Which part of "Let me point out in this respect that the UK will benefit from the UK rebate for the additional payments in 2014. This will be budgeted in May 2015 when the UK rebate is recalculated." in the attached do you not understand.

    Osbournes blatant lie will be found out

    http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_SPEECH-14-723_en.htm
    I repeat - it gives NO figures - and that's why neither you, or more importantly, Ed Balls, UKIP or anyone else said a word about it till we got £850m. The British public know who to trust when dealing with money and it ain't the EdnEd show.
    Well most PB Tories felt stupid for defending GO over I have halved the Bill and actually admitted so when they saw this press release.
    You are special
    Ha ha ha - not special, just right - did you not see the polling which backs Cameron on the issue? Try reading BenM post - you might just learn something. BTW - were you really counting up the PB Tory comments - how amusing.
    Special!
  • Swiss_Bob said:

    taffys said:

    I neither hate Poles, nor love Putin.

    There were so many straw men in that post of Flightpath's it is untrue.

    Not forgetting the gratuitous unsupported insults.
    I'm not fooled by your pretence.
    I can hear the dog whistles. Kipper ideology is founded on hate and they are happy to peddle socialism when it suits them. The more I hear the less I like.

    Is 'ting tong' asian for 'straw man' then?
    The character Ting Tong was invented by that bastion of Kippery, the BBC!
    http://littlebritain.wikia.com/wiki/Dudley_and_Ting_Tong
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,534

    Sean_F said:

    taffys said:

    As screaming eagles says, the hatred comes from UKIP. That you spout on about 'white' working class shows your prejudice and bigotry.

    This kind of comment is the very thing Lord Ashcroft is annoyed about. The plain fact is that millions are either voting UKIP or contemplating it. The conservatives will need a deep reservoir of these votes to get anwhere close to the winning post.

    In what world are you going to win someone's vote by labelling them a bigot.

    Then the intolerants should stop coming out with their racial 'ting tong' comments. They should also decide what the priorities of hate are. Poles are white and have a strong christian work ethic. But UKIP hate them. Putin of course is a totalitarian atheistic dictator and kippers love him. I guess because he is a crude nationalist which Farage and other thick kippers associate with 'strong'.
    Just how do you argue with proponents who spout this rubbish (as opposed to voters who are subject to the propaganda) without pointing out just what they are?
    I neither hate Poles, nor love Putin.

    I can hear the kipper rhetoric and dog whistles and the inferences about Romanians and I can hear Farage praising Putin and Reckless praising Gadaffi.
    You may be totally incapable of joining the dots but I can.
    I'm sure you hear lots of things inside your head.
  • Swiss_Bob said:

    CD13 said:

    Mr Eagles,

    I noticed that the survey you took at the weekend showed marked Ukip tendencies. Are you a "shy kipper" by any chance?

    Don't hide it any longer. Step out of the closet and say it loudly. "I'm a Kipper, and I'm proud."

    The quiz was flawed.

    The Kippers today have reminded me of why I'd sooner trap my manhood in the door than vote UKIP.

    Forced deportations of immigrants was one such suggestion.
    No one seriously believes in forced deportations of immigrants, I'm sure a few like the idea, you could find them in any party, especially if they'd had a beer or two.

    Deportations of serious criminals, I have no problem with that.
    The suggestion was made on here.

    Today.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Ooh

    @MSmithsonPB: Mid points on the SportingIndex http://t.co/ERIjhtuNTk Commons seats spreads
    LAB 294 seats
    CON 276
    LD 28
    UKIP 9
    SNP 21

    My prediction is now getting close to it, after the SNP surge and the developments in Kent and the Midlands my forecast is now LAB 298, CON 252, SNP 31, LD 27, UKIP 20.

    The difference from my last forecast is essentially 21 gains for the SNP from Labour and an extra 8 gains for UKIP (6 from the Tories, 1 LAB and 1 LD)
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173
    AndyJS said:

    Both Bercow and backbench MPs furious at the shenanigans currently going on in the House of Commons.

    Que pasa?

  • Swiss_Bob said:

    taffys said:

    I neither hate Poles, nor love Putin.

    There were so many straw men in that post of Flightpath's it is untrue.

    Not forgetting the gratuitous unsupported insults.
    I'm not fooled by your pretence.
    I can hear the dog whistles. Kipper ideology is founded on hate and they are happy to peddle socialism when it suits them. The more I hear the less I like.

    Is 'ting tong' asian for 'straw man' then?
    I'm not fooled by your pretence.

    You are a grade A loon.

    If you want to make me out as some racist, bigoted loon then look through my PB comments and show the rest of the commenters what a 'racist, bigoted loon' I am.

    Otherwise I'm just going to repeat that 'voices in your head' is not a healthy sign.

    Seek treatment.
  • Swiss_Bob said:

    CD13 said:

    Mr Eagles,

    I noticed that the survey you took at the weekend showed marked Ukip tendencies. Are you a "shy kipper" by any chance?

    Don't hide it any longer. Step out of the closet and say it loudly. "I'm a Kipper, and I'm proud."

    The quiz was flawed.

    The Kippers today have reminded me of why I'd sooner trap my manhood in the door than vote UKIP.

    Forced deportations of immigrants was one such suggestion.
    No one seriously believes in forced deportations of immigrants, I'm sure a few like the idea, you could find them in any party, especially if they'd had a beer or two.

    Deportations of serious criminals, I have no problem with that.
    The suggestion was made on here.

    Today.
    By whom?
  • Swiss_Bob said:

    CD13 said:

    Mr Eagles,

    I noticed that the survey you took at the weekend showed marked Ukip tendencies. Are you a "shy kipper" by any chance?

    Don't hide it any longer. Step out of the closet and say it loudly. "I'm a Kipper, and I'm proud."

    The quiz was flawed.

    The Kippers today have reminded me of why I'd sooner trap my manhood in the door than vote UKIP.

    Forced deportations of immigrants was one such suggestion.
    No one seriously believes in forced deportations of immigrants, I'm sure a few like the idea, you could find them in any party, especially if they'd had a beer or two.

    Deportations of serious criminals, I have no problem with that.
    The suggestion was made on here.

    Today.
    Didn't see it. Whoever said it is a loon.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Remember that the correct move on the spreads at the last GE was basically Buy Labour.

    If the debates do happen, and Farage is in them.

    Would be see a Faragasm?

    Might be worth buying UKIP..
  • Swiss_Bob said:

    taffys said:

    I neither hate Poles, nor love Putin.

    There were so many straw men in that post of Flightpath's it is untrue.

    Not forgetting the gratuitous unsupported insults.
    I'm not fooled by your pretence.
    I can hear the dog whistles. Kipper ideology is founded on hate and they are happy to peddle socialism when it suits them. The more I hear the less I like.

    Is 'ting tong' asian for 'straw man' then?
    The character Ting Tong was invented by that bastion of Kippery, the BBC!
    http://littlebritain.wikia.com/wiki/Dudley_and_Ting_Tong
    Many (perhaps most) racially derogatory terms had originally innocuous etymological origins. That doesn't make them any less offensive now.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664

    Anorak said:

    @LordAshcroft: The campaign against Mark Reckless in Rochester & Strood is now sustained negative attacks against him rather than against UKIP. #willitwork

    Which he invited with his duplicitous behaviour. Can't see this as a legitimate complaint.
    Indeed. The traitorous pig dog deserves it all and more.
    "Tory Europhiles = traitor pig-dogs!" - discuss :)
    Tory Europhiles = Puerile Ho Tyros
  • Ashcroft's poll is only the third poll by any pollster in the last five weeks to show a Tory lead.
  • The Guardian Chap has confirmed to me we're getting the Guardian ICM this evening.
  • antifrank said:

    Swiss_Bob said:

    taffys said:

    I neither hate Poles, nor love Putin.

    There were so many straw men in that post of Flightpath's it is untrue.

    Not forgetting the gratuitous unsupported insults.
    I'm not fooled by your pretence.
    I can hear the dog whistles. Kipper ideology is founded on hate and they are happy to peddle socialism when it suits them. The more I hear the less I like.

    Is 'ting tong' asian for 'straw man' then?
    The character Ting Tong was invented by that bastion of Kippery, the BBC!
    http://littlebritain.wikia.com/wiki/Dudley_and_Ting_Tong
    Many (perhaps most) racially derogatory terms had originally innocuous etymological origins. That doesn't make them any less offensive now.
    Why did the Kippers at the BBC invent the racist character Ting Tong?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    May has used Osbournes smoke and mirrors with the EAW motion
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    felix said:

    AndyJS said:

    Both Bercow and backbench MPs furious at the shenanigans currently going on in the House of Commons.

    Que pasa?

    It looks like the government has decided not to have a separate vote on the European Arrest Warrant.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Pulpstar said:

    Remember that the correct move on the spreads at the last GE was basically Buy Labour.

    If the debates do happen, and Farage is in them.

    Would be see a Faragasm?

    Might be worth buying UKIP..
    FPTP would benefit UKIP if they start out-polling the Tories in opinion polls.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    edited November 2014

    The Guardian Chap has confirmed to me we're getting the Guardian ICM this evening.

    Again, if its field-work ended on Sunday, we'll include it in next week's ELBOW.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    May getting it in the neck from both sides of the house.
  • antifrank said:

    Swiss_Bob said:

    taffys said:

    I neither hate Poles, nor love Putin.

    There were so many straw men in that post of Flightpath's it is untrue.

    Not forgetting the gratuitous unsupported insults.
    I'm not fooled by your pretence.
    I can hear the dog whistles. Kipper ideology is founded on hate and they are happy to peddle socialism when it suits them. The more I hear the less I like.

    Is 'ting tong' asian for 'straw man' then?
    The character Ting Tong was invented by that bastion of Kippery, the BBC!
    http://littlebritain.wikia.com/wiki/Dudley_and_Ting_Tong
    Many (perhaps most) racially derogatory terms had originally innocuous etymological origins. That doesn't make them any less offensive now.
    Why did the Kippers at the BBC invent the racist character Ting Tong?
    Why do you assume that the original use rather than the later use was racist? And why should kippers casually use and condone derogatory racial epithets, whatever their origin?
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    antifrank said:

    Swiss_Bob said:

    taffys said:

    I neither hate Poles, nor love Putin.

    There were so many straw men in that post of Flightpath's it is untrue.

    Not forgetting the gratuitous unsupported insults.
    I'm not fooled by your pretence.
    I can hear the dog whistles. Kipper ideology is founded on hate and they are happy to peddle socialism when it suits them. The more I hear the less I like.

    Is 'ting tong' asian for 'straw man' then?
    The character Ting Tong was invented by that bastion of Kippery, the BBC!
    http://littlebritain.wikia.com/wiki/Dudley_and_Ting_Tong
    Many (perhaps most) racially derogatory terms had originally innocuous etymological origins. That doesn't make them any less offensive now.
    Why did the Kippers at the BBC invent the racist character Ting Tong?
    Are really defending the use of that term because it was on a subversive(ish) sketch show?

    They had a sketch where a WI woman puked all over some children because she realised the cake she's eaten came from a little asian girl. Does that mean a kipper vomiting because an 'ethnic' touched their food is perfectly ok and not in any way a sign of their racism. FFS.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Danny565 said:




    The top 1% now pay 27.5% of ALL tax in this country.

    Don't the top 1% possess even more wealth than that? Why should we be grateful to them for paying that tax, when they've only earnt as much money as they have in the first place on the backs of the rest of us?
    I earn a reasonably high salary, I struggle to see whose backs this is earned off though, please enlighten me.

    I grew up on a council estate and have worked hard and put myself out over many years to get to where I am today - comments like yours are just frankly pathetic simplistic rubbish.

  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    SeanT said:

    BBC News - Rotherham child sex abuse: Police 'ripped up files'

    http://bbc.in/1srbfMA

    How many more reports like this do we need?

    It's now beyond reasonable doubt that there was an enormous 15 year cover up, by police and politicians, of Rotherham grooming and abuse.

    And yet, nothing. 1400 victims of racist gang rape, and... nothing. No national soul searching. No overarching inquiry. No Macpherson report.

    Nothing.

    The clue is in "enormous 15 year cover up, by police and politicians".
    There is no one to be the investigator, as they are all guilty.
  • antifrank said:

    antifrank said:

    Swiss_Bob said:

    taffys said:

    I neither hate Poles, nor love Putin.

    There were so many straw men in that post of Flightpath's it is untrue.

    Not forgetting the gratuitous unsupported insults.
    I'm not fooled by your pretence.
    I can hear the dog whistles. Kipper ideology is founded on hate and they are happy to peddle socialism when it suits them. The more I hear the less I like.

    Is 'ting tong' asian for 'straw man' then?
    The character Ting Tong was invented by that bastion of Kippery, the BBC!
    http://littlebritain.wikia.com/wiki/Dudley_and_Ting_Tong
    Many (perhaps most) racially derogatory terms had originally innocuous etymological origins. That doesn't make them any less offensive now.
    Why did the Kippers at the BBC invent the racist character Ting Tong?
    Why do you assume that the original use rather than the later use was racist? And why should kippers casually use and condone derogatory racial epithets, whatever their origin?
    Er, have you not watched Little Britain? Ting Tong was a racist caricature of a Thai "mail-order" bride.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    The Govt has more than halved the EAW motion.

    I am sure Felix will tell us otherwise
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited November 2014
    "Open Europe ‏@OpenEurope 53s53 seconds ago

    Theresa May attacked by Bercow, Cooper and now Cash over decision not to include #EAW in JHA motion to be voted by MPs"


    https://twitter.com/OpenEurope
  • Theresa May = Vidkun Quisling?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    May is in problems here.
  • antifrank said:

    antifrank said:

    Swiss_Bob said:

    taffys said:

    I neither hate Poles, nor love Putin.

    There were so many straw men in that post of Flightpath's it is untrue.

    Not forgetting the gratuitous unsupported insults.
    I'm not fooled by your pretence.
    I can hear the dog whistles. Kipper ideology is founded on hate and they are happy to peddle socialism when it suits them. The more I hear the less I like.

    Is 'ting tong' asian for 'straw man' then?
    The character Ting Tong was invented by that bastion of Kippery, the BBC!
    http://littlebritain.wikia.com/wiki/Dudley_and_Ting_Tong
    Many (perhaps most) racially derogatory terms had originally innocuous etymological origins. That doesn't make them any less offensive now.
    Why did the Kippers at the BBC invent the racist character Ting Tong?
    Why do you assume that the original use rather than the later use was racist? And why should kippers casually use and condone derogatory racial epithets, whatever their origin?
    Er, have you not watched Little Britain? Ting Tong was a racist caricature of a Thai "mail-order" bride.
    If that's what you believe, then you should be disgusted by Janice Atkinson's casual use of the term. But UKIP have just selected her as a Parliamentary candidate in one of their target seats.
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    edited November 2014

    felix said:

    antifrank said:

    Why did George Osborne read the Guardian in the House of Commons?

    Ed Balls did an article in the guardian last Friday about the 1.7bn.

    George pointed out that not once did Ed mention the rebate.
    Unlike the EU press release on 27/10/14
    Which gave NO figures. Give it up - the public have spoken in favour of the government on this and Balls has been found out today by a cleverer opponent.
    Which part of "Let me point out in this respect that the UK will benefit from the UK rebate for the additional payments in 2014. This will be budgeted in May 2015 when the UK rebate is recalculated." in the attached do you not understand.

    Osbournes blatant lie will be found out

    http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_SPEECH-14-723_en.htm
    That's a very clear and concise reponse from the commissioner and shows as I have said all along that Britain was always due the rebate.

    Osborne probably didn't know and probably had this pointed out to him at ECOFIN. Spotting the opportunity he merged the two items together and came up with this "halved" announcement.

    What the whole episode shows is the clear ignorance in Britain of the EU and how it works. OK, I expected a rebate to apply (didn't know exactly how much), but then again I'm a pointy headed pro EU type.

    Still, it misses the essential political point that after Osborne fluffed it on Friday by scuffing the ball towards his own goal with the keeper beaten, Balls has managed to lash the ball against the bar and look on forlornly as it rebounded back towards his own net with Osborne smashing it joyfully home.
  • Swiss_Bob said:

    Sean_F said:

    taffys said:

    As screaming eagles says, the hatred comes from UKIP. That you spout on about 'white' working class shows your prejudice and bigotry.

    This kind of comment is the very thing Lord Ashcroft is annoyed about. The plain fact is that millions are either voting UKIP or contemplating it. The conservatives will need a deep reservoir of these votes to get anwhere close to the winning post.

    In what world are you going to win someone's vote by labelling them a bigot.

    Then the intolerants should stop coming out with their racial 'ting tong' comments. They should also decide what the priorities of hate are. Poles are white and have a strong christian work ethic. But UKIP hate them. Putin of course is a totalitarian atheistic dictator and kippers love him. I guess because he is a crude nationalist which Farage and other thick kippers associate with 'strong'.
    Just how do you argue with proponents who spout this rubbish (as opposed to voters who are subject to the propaganda) without pointing out just what they are?
    I neither hate Poles, nor love Putin.

    I can hear the kipper rhetoric and dog whistles and the inferences about Romanians and I can hear Farage praising Putin and Reckless praising Gadaffi.
    You may be totally incapable of joining the dots but I can.
    The NHS is fantastic, I'm sure they can deal with the voices in your head.
    Nah, Flightpath is beyond help. His madness is incurable.
  • Anorak said:

    antifrank said:

    Swiss_Bob said:

    taffys said:

    I neither hate Poles, nor love Putin.

    There were so many straw men in that post of Flightpath's it is untrue.

    Not forgetting the gratuitous unsupported insults.
    I'm not fooled by your pretence.
    I can hear the dog whistles. Kipper ideology is founded on hate and they are happy to peddle socialism when it suits them. The more I hear the less I like.

    Is 'ting tong' asian for 'straw man' then?
    The character Ting Tong was invented by that bastion of Kippery, the BBC!
    http://littlebritain.wikia.com/wiki/Dudley_and_Ting_Tong
    Many (perhaps most) racially derogatory terms had originally innocuous etymological origins. That doesn't make them any less offensive now.
    Why did the Kippers at the BBC invent the racist character Ting Tong?
    Are really defending the use of that term because it was on a subversive(ish) sketch show?

    They had a sketch where a WI woman puked all over some children because she realised the cake she's eaten came from a little asian girl. Does that mean a kipper vomiting because an 'ethnic' touched their food is perfectly ok and not in any way a sign of their racism. FFS.
    Why are you defending the BBC's racism?
  • Poor Ed Balls. The matrimonial gloating over the dinner table tonight is going to be unbearable.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Theresa May had a nightmare this morning on the BBC over immigration and is now getting a kicking in the House of Commons from all sides including her own
  • Chris Bryant, Labour talking about personal liberty.

    My sides are aching.
  • antifrank said:

    antifrank said:

    antifrank said:

    Swiss_Bob said:

    taffys said:

    I neither hate Poles, nor love Putin.

    There were so many straw men in that post of Flightpath's it is untrue.

    Not forgetting the gratuitous unsupported insults.
    I'm not fooled by your pretence.
    I can hear the dog whistles. Kipper ideology is founded on hate and they are happy to peddle socialism when it suits them. The more I hear the less I like.

    Is 'ting tong' asian for 'straw man' then?
    The character Ting Tong was invented by that bastion of Kippery, the BBC!
    http://littlebritain.wikia.com/wiki/Dudley_and_Ting_Tong
    Many (perhaps most) racially derogatory terms had originally innocuous etymological origins. That doesn't make them any less offensive now.
    Why did the Kippers at the BBC invent the racist character Ting Tong?
    Why do you assume that the original use rather than the later use was racist? And why should kippers casually use and condone derogatory racial epithets, whatever their origin?
    Er, have you not watched Little Britain? Ting Tong was a racist caricature of a Thai "mail-order" bride.
    If that's what you believe,
    It's not what I believe, because that's the only way to interpret the character.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Ming asking for May motion to be withdrawn now, as are SNP,Cooper, Berscow and some Tories.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,376
    edited November 2014

    The Guardian Chap has confirmed to me we're getting the Guardian ICM this evening.

    #herewego

    #megapollingmonday

    #whyamipostingwithahashtag
  • antifrank said:

    Poor Ed Balls. The matrimonial gloating over the dinner table tonight is going to be unbearable.

    Have you married your "partner" yet, antifrank? :)
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    May being whispered to by Gove.

    I RECKON ABOUT TO WITHDRAW
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    Floater said:

    Danny565 said:




    The top 1% now pay 27.5% of ALL tax in this country.

    Don't the top 1% possess even more wealth than that? Why should we be grateful to them for paying that tax, when they've only earnt as much money as they have in the first place on the backs of the rest of us?
    I earn a reasonably high salary, I struggle to see whose backs this is earned off though, please enlighten me.
    If you manage workers what is the ratio of your salary to theirs? How does that compare to 30 years ago?

  • Great to see SPIN back in the fray.

    First reaction? SNP & UKIP look like buys, possibly LDs too. It follows that the big two are sells, but the balance between them could tip a lot over the next six months, and hard to tell which way, so probably best left alone for the moment.

    The spreads are big, so trading in and out won't be easy. Betfair is better for that.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Redwood now asking for the motion to be "amended"
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    antifrank said:

    antifrank said:

    Swiss_Bob said:

    taffys said:

    I neither hate Poles, nor love Putin.

    There were so many straw men in that post of Flightpath's it is untrue.

    Not forgetting the gratuitous unsupported insults.
    I'm not fooled by your pretence.
    I can hear the dog whistles. Kipper ideology is founded on hate and they are happy to peddle socialism when it suits them. The more I hear the less I like.

    Is 'ting tong' asian for 'straw man' then?
    The character Ting Tong was invented by that bastion of Kippery, the BBC!
    http://littlebritain.wikia.com/wiki/Dudley_and_Ting_Tong
    Many (perhaps most) racially derogatory terms had originally innocuous etymological origins. That doesn't make them any less offensive now.
    Why did the Kippers at the BBC invent the racist character Ting Tong?
    Why do you assume that the original use rather than the later use was racist? And why should kippers casually use and condone derogatory racial epithets, whatever their origin?
    "ting tong" is thai for idiot.

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ting-tong
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Patrick said:

    TCPB

    Please don't talk about simple supply and demand economics with Labour - you'll confuse them.

    LIKE
  • antifrank said:

    Poor Ed Balls. The matrimonial gloating over the dinner table tonight is going to be unbearable.

    Have you married your "partner" yet, antifrank? :)
    Not yet. I would have had to dissolve the civil partnership in order to marry him, which seemed like a chore. They're sorting that glitch out by regulations.

    There's always the possibility that I might be turned down, of course. I can't take such things for granted.
  • New Thread
  • Swiss_BobSwiss_Bob Posts: 619
    edited November 2014
    Deleted as new thread.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    Theresa May = Vidkun Quisling?

    Quisling was put on trial during the legal purge in Norway after World War II and found guilty of charges including embezzlement, murder and high treason wasnt he?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    More Tories criticising Mays motion
  • Theresa May = Vidkun Quisling?

    Quisling was put on trial during the legal purge in Norway after World War II and found guilty of charges including embezzlement, murder and high treason wasnt he?
    Hmmm...doubt May will get off that light. ;-)
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498

    malcolmg said:

    RobC said:

    john_zims said:

    @Casino_Royale

    'Someone linked on the last thread that there are 'secret' plans to further slash law & order and defence next year?'

    What's the problem?

    The UK has the most generous legal aid system by a country mile in the entire EU and our military spending is the highest of any EU country and we have the third largest military force in NATO. .

    On legal aid I've been told by lawyer friends that it's been savagely cut back in the last year or so?
    There was a lawyer on radio Scotland on Sunday whinging that he was only getting £48 an hour from the public to defend the great unwashed nowadays and what a travesty of justice it was to expect him to have to toil for such a pittance.
    How mean of the English not to give the whining Scotchman more English money! His arm must ache from holding his hand out for so long!
    You thick stupid bag of vomit , it is Scottish Legal system and Scottish money.
  • audreyanneaudreyanne Posts: 1,376
    isam said:

    Ooh

    @MSmithsonPB: Mid points on the SportingIndex http://t.co/ERIjhtuNTk Commons seats spreads
    LAB 294 seats
    CON 276
    LD 28
    UKIP 9
    SNP 21

    Eh? Have I missed something? I thought SPIN dropped out of the politics game ages ago?
    Looks good for my bet w @AudreyAnne UKIP seats x4 to beat/or equal Lib Dems
    You castigated TSE for being "clueless about betting" the other day, so I'm most amused to see you think you'll win this bet. You may like to think the LibDems are done and dusted, but that's your personal opinion talking, not your objective reasoning. Look back at the last 30 years of voting and watch how adept the LibDems are at amassing their support where they need it. And now look at the last 30 years of UKIP voting. Oh, wait a minute …

    Innocent_Abroad, if you're around I have just seen your post this morning about Mrs T. Brilliant post: from my own memory you're spot on. She was NOT liked in 1978/9 and had there have been a strong male leader the Tories would have thumped Callaghan after the freezing winter of discontent. I remember being in a Conservative constituency planning meeting in early 1979 and almost no-one present was supportive of her. There were a lot of kipper types: old little-England farts grumbling at how things were changing for the worst. As it happens, and in a way, they were of course correct. One thing Margaret Thatcher was most certainly not: a conservative.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    Anorak said:

    antifrank said:

    Swiss_Bob said:

    taffys said:

    I neither hate Poles, nor love Putin.

    There were so many straw men in that post of Flightpath's it is untrue.

    Not forgetting the gratuitous unsupported insults.
    I'm not fooled by your pretence.
    I can hear the dog whistles. Kipper ideology is founded on hate and they are happy to peddle socialism when it suits them. The more I hear the less I like.

    Is 'ting tong' asian for 'straw man' then?
    The character Ting Tong was invented by that bastion of Kippery, the BBC!
    http://littlebritain.wikia.com/wiki/Dudley_and_Ting_Tong
    Many (perhaps most) racially derogatory terms had originally innocuous etymological origins. That doesn't make them any less offensive now.
    Why did the Kippers at the BBC invent the racist character Ting Tong?
    Are really defending the use of that term because it was on a subversive(ish) sketch show?

    They had a sketch where a WI woman puked all over some children because she realised the cake she's eaten came from a little asian girl. Does that mean a kipper vomiting because an 'ethnic' touched their food is perfectly ok and not in any way a sign of their racism. FFS.
    Why are you defending the BBC's racism?
    Eh? Where do I do that? You appear to be citing the BBC's use as a green-light for kipper use.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited November 2014
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobC said:

    john_zims said:

    @Casino_Royale

    'Someone linked on the last thread that there are 'secret' plans to further slash law & order and defence next year?'

    What's the problem?

    The UK has the most generous legal aid system by a country mile in the entire EU and our military spending is the highest of any EU country and we have the third largest military force in NATO. .

    On legal aid I've been told by lawyer friends that it's been savagely cut back in the last year or so?
    There was a lawyer on radio Scotland on Sunday whinging that he was only getting £48 an hour from the public to defend the great unwashed nowadays and what a travesty of justice it was to expect him to have to toil for such a pittance.
    How mean of the English not to give the whining Scotchman more English money! His arm must ache from holding his hand out for so long!
    You thick stupid bag of vomit , it is Scottish Legal system and Scottish money.
    So he should have written 'How mean of the Scottish not to give the whining Scotchman more Scottish money! His arm must ache from holding his hand out for so long!'

    Is that better Malky, you tartan cockroach?
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    Anorak said:

    antifrank said:

    Swiss_Bob said:

    taffys said:

    I neither hate Poles, nor love Putin.

    There were so many straw men in that post of Flightpath's it is untrue.

    Not forgetting the gratuitous unsupported insults.
    I'm not fooled by your pretence.
    I can hear the dog whistles. Kipper ideology is founded on hate and they are happy to peddle socialism when it suits them. The more I hear the less I like.

    Is 'ting tong' asian for 'straw man' then?
    The character Ting Tong was invented by that bastion of Kippery, the BBC!
    http://littlebritain.wikia.com/wiki/Dudley_and_Ting_Tong
    Many (perhaps most) racially derogatory terms had originally innocuous etymological origins. That doesn't make them any less offensive now.
    Why did the Kippers at the BBC invent the racist character Ting Tong?
    Are really defending the use of that term because it was on a subversive(ish) sketch show?

    They had a sketch where a WI woman puked all over some children because she realised the cake she's eaten came from a little asian girl. Does that mean a kipper vomiting because an 'ethnic' touched their food is perfectly ok and not in any way a sign of their racism. FFS.
    Why are you defending the BBC's racism?

    Its the BBC attacking racism in a very crude way, you fool. They are also having a dig at the WI as well, possibly associating it with Whitehouse (Mary) perhaps.
  • It's not the CONSERVATIVE'S Long Term Economic Plan as printed on the Rochester leaflet, it's the COALITION'S.
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