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Yes, I was confusing him with Felix Faure. I knew he was banging his secretary and I just generally assumed that it was at the time of death as well.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
You're misrembering.ydoethur said:
'He gave his life in service of his country:' wasn't it a heart attack brought on by banging his secretary? Or am I misremembering that bit?SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Harding did far more than his share of bloviation.ydoethur said:
Gosh.Jim_Miller said:A little more on that communtation: "Just before Christmas in 1921, [President Warren G.] Harding, a conservative and mild-mannered Republican, commuted the 10-year sentence of the Socialist [Eugene] Debs, who had been convicted of violating the Espionage Act of 1917. On Dec. 26, Harding welcomed Debs to the White House, eager to meet him before he returned to civilian life after being released from federal prison in Atlanta.
. . .
Though most of his advisers and the first lady argued against the commutation, Harding believed that his use of the pardon power would help heal a divided nation after the deadliest war in world history and a flu pandemic that killed at least 675,000 Americans and tens of millions around the globe.
. . .
On the same day he freed Debs, Harding commuted the sentences of 23 other political prisoners, activists and Industrial Workers of the World union members who spoke out against the war."
source$: https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2022/01/06/warren-harding-eugene-debs/
Hadn't the Communists suffered enough in prison without trying to make sense of Harding's garbled efforts at English?
However, he also coined "normalcy" which in the past century has gone from being regarded as mangling the English language, to (methinks) a perfectly respectable English word.
Speaking as one of the very few - perhaps only - PBer to have paid my person respects at the Tomb of Warren G. Harding.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harding_Tomb
"I DEEM it a privilege to join here in the dedication of the tomb of Warren G. Harding, 29th President of the United States. . . . He gave his life in worthy accomplishment for his country. He was a man of delicate sense of honor, of sympathetic heart, of transcendent gentleness of soul – who reached out for friendship, who gave of it loyally and generously in his every thought and deed. He was a man of passionate patriotism. He was a man of deep religious feeling. He was devoted to his fellow men. . . ." - Herbert Hoover, June 16, 1931
He died, it appears, as unintended consequence of visiting Seattle, Washington.
"Harding went to bed early the evening of July 27, 1923, a few hours after giving the speech at the University of Washington. Later that night, he called for his physician Charles E. Sawyer, complaining of pain in the upper abdomen. Sawyer thought that it was a recurrence of stomach upset, but Dr. Joel T. Boone suspected a heart problem. The press was told Harding had experienced an "acute gastrointestinal attack" and his scheduled weekend in Portland was cancelled.
He felt better the next day, as the train rushed to San Francisco, where they arrived the morning of July 29. He insisted on walking from the train to the car, and was then rushed to the Palace Hotel, where he suffered a relapse. Doctors found that not only was his heart causing problems, but also that he had pneumonia, and he was confined to bed rest in his hotel room. Doctors treated him with liquid caffeine and digitalis, and he seemed to improve. Hoover released Harding's foreign policy address advocating membership in the World Court, and the president was pleased that it was favorably received.
By the afternoon of August 2, Harding's condition still seemed to be improving and his doctors allowed him to sit up in bed. At around 7:30 pm that evening, Florence was reading to him "A Calm Review of a Calm Man", a flattering article about him from The Saturday Evening Post; she paused and he told her, "That's good. Go on, read some more."
Those were to be his last words. She resumed reading when, a few seconds later, Harding twisted convulsively and collapsed back in the bed, gasping. Florence Harding immediately called the doctors into the room, but they were unable to revive him with stimulants; Harding was pronounced dead a few minutes later, at the age of 57. Harding's death was initially attributed to a cerebral hemorrhage, as doctors at the time did not generally understand the symptoms of cardiac arrest. Florence Harding did not consent to have the president autopsied."
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Rishi only appointed misogynistBlancheLivermore said:
Slalom only campaigned for him to be Chancellor twiceStillWaters said:
You’re right.NeilVW said:-
Don’t think any Labour MPs said such. David Dimbleby had to read out John McDonnell’s denial of the claim by EstherStillWaters said:
How about the Labour MPs who wanted to hang Esther McVey or the comments that Angela Raynor made about stories?isam said:
He was no longer an MP when he made it mind youAverageNinja said:
What a horrible comment.isam said:Crass remarks indeed. The kind of thing you hear everyday in a kind of “my missus/mother in law” way, but not really what you expect from senior politicians
What did George Osborne say about Theresa May? Chop her up and put her in his freezer? I was always surprised he didn’t get more stick for it. Alastair Meeks and I argued about it on here at the time, I was surprised that he thought it was fair comment
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/13/george-osborne-criticised-for-gruesome-remarks-against-theresa-
may
There is a very unpleasant / immature edge to many of our politicians who don’t understand what is acceptable behaviour
McVey on the 2015 election programme that he had called for her lynching.
He called her “a stain on humanity”. And repeated someone else’s remark that she should be lynched.
That’s still not ok
John McDonnell has refused to apologise for repeating an offensive remark about new Work and Pensions Secretary Esther McVey.
The Shadow Chancellor described the then-disabilities minister as “a stain on humanity” during an outburst two years ago.
At a separate event, he also recounted a comment he had heard in which someone said Ms McVey should be "lynched" for her part in implementing welfare cuts.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/john-mcdonnell-still-refuses-to-apologise-over-lynch-esther-mcvey-remarkmass murdererfailed comedian James Cleverly to be Home Secretary once (and Foreign Secretary once). What's your point? Politicians have strong yet flexible views. It comes with the job.0 -
Warren G got to regulateydoethur said:
Yes, I was confusing him with Felix Faure. I knew he was banging his secretary and I just generally assumed that it was at the time of death as well.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
You're misrembering.ydoethur said:
'He gave his life in service of his country:' wasn't it a heart attack brought on by banging his secretary? Or am I misremembering that bit?SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Harding did far more than his share of bloviation.ydoethur said:
Gosh.Jim_Miller said:A little more on that communtation: "Just before Christmas in 1921, [President Warren G.] Harding, a conservative and mild-mannered Republican, commuted the 10-year sentence of the Socialist [Eugene] Debs, who had been convicted of violating the Espionage Act of 1917. On Dec. 26, Harding welcomed Debs to the White House, eager to meet him before he returned to civilian life after being released from federal prison in Atlanta.
. . .
Though most of his advisers and the first lady argued against the commutation, Harding believed that his use of the pardon power would help heal a divided nation after the deadliest war in world history and a flu pandemic that killed at least 675,000 Americans and tens of millions around the globe.
. . .
On the same day he freed Debs, Harding commuted the sentences of 23 other political prisoners, activists and Industrial Workers of the World union members who spoke out against the war."
source$: https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2022/01/06/warren-harding-eugene-debs/
Hadn't the Communists suffered enough in prison without trying to make sense of Harding's garbled efforts at English?
However, he also coined "normalcy" which in the past century has gone from being regarded as mangling the English language, to (methinks) a perfectly respectable English word.
Speaking as one of the very few - perhaps only - PBer to have paid my person respects at the Tomb of Warren G. Harding.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harding_Tomb
"I DEEM it a privilege to join here in the dedication of the tomb of Warren G. Harding, 29th President of the United States. . . . He gave his life in worthy accomplishment for his country. He was a man of delicate sense of honor, of sympathetic heart, of transcendent gentleness of soul – who reached out for friendship, who gave of it loyally and generously in his every thought and deed. He was a man of passionate patriotism. He was a man of deep religious feeling. He was devoted to his fellow men. . . ." - Herbert Hoover, June 16, 1931
He died, it appears, as unintended consequence of visiting Seattle, Washington.
"Harding went to bed early the evening of July 27, 1923, a few hours after giving the speech at the University of Washington. Later that night, he called for his physician Charles E. Sawyer, complaining of pain in the upper abdomen. Sawyer thought that it was a recurrence of stomach upset, but Dr. Joel T. Boone suspected a heart problem. The press was told Harding had experienced an "acute gastrointestinal attack" and his scheduled weekend in Portland was cancelled.
He felt better the next day, as the train rushed to San Francisco, where they arrived the morning of July 29. He insisted on walking from the train to the car, and was then rushed to the Palace Hotel, where he suffered a relapse. Doctors found that not only was his heart causing problems, but also that he had pneumonia, and he was confined to bed rest in his hotel room. Doctors treated him with liquid caffeine and digitalis, and he seemed to improve. Hoover released Harding's foreign policy address advocating membership in the World Court, and the president was pleased that it was favorably received.
By the afternoon of August 2, Harding's condition still seemed to be improving and his doctors allowed him to sit up in bed. At around 7:30 pm that evening, Florence was reading to him "A Calm Review of a Calm Man", a flattering article about him from The Saturday Evening Post; she paused and he told her, "That's good. Go on, read some more."
Those were to be his last words. She resumed reading when, a few seconds later, Harding twisted convulsively and collapsed back in the bed, gasping. Florence Harding immediately called the doctors into the room, but they were unable to revive him with stimulants; Harding was pronounced dead a few minutes later, at the age of 57. Harding's death was initially attributed to a cerebral hemorrhage, as doctors at the time did not generally understand the symptoms of cardiac arrest. Florence Harding did not consent to have the president autopsied."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_G._Harding0 -
IIRC, Harding's mistress (the one you're thinking off, anyway) was never his secretary; instead, he got her job(s) working as secretary or similar for others.ydoethur said:
Yes, I was confusing him with Felix Faure. I knew he was banging his secretary and I just generally assumed that it was at the time of death as well.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
You're misrembering.ydoethur said:
'He gave his life in service of his country:' wasn't it a heart attack brought on by banging his secretary? Or am I misremembering that bit?SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Harding did far more than his share of bloviation.ydoethur said:
Gosh.Jim_Miller said:A little more on that communtation: "Just before Christmas in 1921, [President Warren G.] Harding, a conservative and mild-mannered Republican, commuted the 10-year sentence of the Socialist [Eugene] Debs, who had been convicted of violating the Espionage Act of 1917. On Dec. 26, Harding welcomed Debs to the White House, eager to meet him before he returned to civilian life after being released from federal prison in Atlanta.
. . .
Though most of his advisers and the first lady argued against the commutation, Harding believed that his use of the pardon power would help heal a divided nation after the deadliest war in world history and a flu pandemic that killed at least 675,000 Americans and tens of millions around the globe.
. . .
On the same day he freed Debs, Harding commuted the sentences of 23 other political prisoners, activists and Industrial Workers of the World union members who spoke out against the war."
source$: https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2022/01/06/warren-harding-eugene-debs/
Hadn't the Communists suffered enough in prison without trying to make sense of Harding's garbled efforts at English?
However, he also coined "normalcy" which in the past century has gone from being regarded as mangling the English language, to (methinks) a perfectly respectable English word.
Speaking as one of the very few - perhaps only - PBer to have paid my person respects at the Tomb of Warren G. Harding.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harding_Tomb
"I DEEM it a privilege to join here in the dedication of the tomb of Warren G. Harding, 29th President of the United States. . . . He gave his life in worthy accomplishment for his country. He was a man of delicate sense of honor, of sympathetic heart, of transcendent gentleness of soul – who reached out for friendship, who gave of it loyally and generously in his every thought and deed. He was a man of passionate patriotism. He was a man of deep religious feeling. He was devoted to his fellow men. . . ." - Herbert Hoover, June 16, 1931
He died, it appears, as unintended consequence of visiting Seattle, Washington.
"Harding went to bed early the evening of July 27, 1923, a few hours after giving the speech at the University of Washington. Later that night, he called for his physician Charles E. Sawyer, complaining of pain in the upper abdomen. Sawyer thought that it was a recurrence of stomach upset, but Dr. Joel T. Boone suspected a heart problem. The press was told Harding had experienced an "acute gastrointestinal attack" and his scheduled weekend in Portland was cancelled.
He felt better the next day, as the train rushed to San Francisco, where they arrived the morning of July 29. He insisted on walking from the train to the car, and was then rushed to the Palace Hotel, where he suffered a relapse. Doctors found that not only was his heart causing problems, but also that he had pneumonia, and he was confined to bed rest in his hotel room. Doctors treated him with liquid caffeine and digitalis, and he seemed to improve. Hoover released Harding's foreign policy address advocating membership in the World Court, and the president was pleased that it was favorably received.
By the afternoon of August 2, Harding's condition still seemed to be improving and his doctors allowed him to sit up in bed. At around 7:30 pm that evening, Florence was reading to him "A Calm Review of a Calm Man", a flattering article about him from The Saturday Evening Post; she paused and he told her, "That's good. Go on, read some more."
Those were to be his last words. She resumed reading when, a few seconds later, Harding twisted convulsively and collapsed back in the bed, gasping. Florence Harding immediately called the doctors into the room, but they were unable to revive him with stimulants; Harding was pronounced dead a few minutes later, at the age of 57. Harding's death was initially attributed to a cerebral hemorrhage, as doctors at the time did not generally understand the symptoms of cardiac arrest. Florence Harding did not consent to have the president autopsied."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_G._Harding
Like him, she was from Marion, Ohio and as a young girl developed a serious crush on him (he was a handsome guy with considerable charm) that eventually led to an affair over number of years.
He & she had to stay clear of Mrs. Harding aka The Dutchess who knew (more than) enough to keep a sharp eye on her "Wurr'n".
BTW, perhaps the most insightful comment on Harding was made by his own father (himself a bit of a rogue)"
Father - "Warren, it's a good thing you were born a boy."
Son - "And why do you say that?"
Father - "Because you never could say 'no'."
Another comment, also close to the bone, by Alice Roosevelt Longworth:
"Harding was not a bad man. He was just a slob."1 -
Skeir Starmer is nailed on to be our next PMDecrepiterJohnL said:
Rishi only appointed misogynistBlancheLivermore said:
Slalom only campaigned for him to be Chancellor twiceStillWaters said:
You’re right.NeilVW said:-
Don’t think any Labour MPs said such. David Dimbleby had to read out John McDonnell’s denial of the claim by EstherStillWaters said:
How about the Labour MPs who wanted to hang Esther McVey or the comments that Angela Raynor made about stories?isam said:
He was no longer an MP when he made it mind youAverageNinja said:
What a horrible comment.isam said:Crass remarks indeed. The kind of thing you hear everyday in a kind of “my missus/mother in law” way, but not really what you expect from senior politicians
What did George Osborne say about Theresa May? Chop her up and put her in his freezer? I was always surprised he didn’t get more stick for it. Alastair Meeks and I argued about it on here at the time, I was surprised that he thought it was fair comment
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/13/george-osborne-criticised-for-gruesome-remarks-against-theresa-
may
There is a very unpleasant / immature edge to many of our politicians who don’t understand what is acceptable behaviour
McVey on the 2015 election programme that he had called for her lynching.
He called her “a stain on humanity”. And repeated someone else’s remark that she should be lynched.
That’s still not ok
John McDonnell has refused to apologise for repeating an offensive remark about new Work and Pensions Secretary Esther McVey.
The Shadow Chancellor described the then-disabilities minister as “a stain on humanity” during an outburst two years ago.
At a separate event, he also recounted a comment he had heard in which someone said Ms McVey should be "lynched" for her part in implementing welfare cuts.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/john-mcdonnell-still-refuses-to-apologise-over-lynch-esther-mcvey-remarkmass murdererfailed comedian James Cleverly to be Home Secretary once (and Foreign Secretary once). What's your point? Politicians have strong yet flexible views. It comes with the job.
Pointing to examples of his slalomic nature hardly seems unreasonable1 -
Uhraine has moved to celebrating Christmas on the 25th, as a further move away from Russian Eastern Orthodoxy.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Whole area NOT big on celebrating on December 25, as Santa likely already knows.MarqueeMark said:Santa on a tricky run between Kyiv and Moscow.
Eek......
Something I learned as a little kid, living in area with large number of Eastern Orthodox neighbors.
(Santa seems to have safely negotiated his journey through the Russian air defences. "What air defence doing?")0 -
More than 500,000 under-35s in UK out of work due to long-term illness
Experts link 44% increase in four years to a growing mental health crisis and underinvestment in health services
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/dec/24/500000-under-35s-out-of-work-long-term-illness-uk
Something is up. No good answers in the story.1 -
Photo of Swansea police arresting drunk man likened to Renaissance art
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/dec/24/photo-of-swansea-police-arresting-drunk-likened-to-renaissance-art
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"Nailed on" so long as the Tories don't eject Soon Hacked Off before the electionBlancheLivermore said:
Skeir Starmer is nailed on to be our next PMDecrepiterJohnL said:
Rishi only appointed misogynistBlancheLivermore said:
Slalom only campaigned for him to be Chancellor twiceStillWaters said:
You’re right.NeilVW said:-
Don’t think any Labour MPs said such. David Dimbleby had to read out John McDonnell’s denial of the claim by EstherStillWaters said:
How about the Labour MPs who wanted to hang Esther McVey or the comments that Angela Raynor made about stories?isam said:
He was no longer an MP when he made it mind youAverageNinja said:
What a horrible comment.isam said:Crass remarks indeed. The kind of thing you hear everyday in a kind of “my missus/mother in law” way, but not really what you expect from senior politicians
What did George Osborne say about Theresa May? Chop her up and put her in his freezer? I was always surprised he didn’t get more stick for it. Alastair Meeks and I argued about it on here at the time, I was surprised that he thought it was fair comment
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/13/george-osborne-criticised-for-gruesome-remarks-against-theresa-
may
There is a very unpleasant / immature edge to many of our politicians who don’t understand what is acceptable behaviour
McVey on the 2015 election programme that he had called for her lynching.
He called her “a stain on humanity”. And repeated someone else’s remark that she should be lynched.
That’s still not ok
John McDonnell has refused to apologise for repeating an offensive remark about new Work and Pensions Secretary Esther McVey.
The Shadow Chancellor described the then-disabilities minister as “a stain on humanity” during an outburst two years ago.
At a separate event, he also recounted a comment he had heard in which someone said Ms McVey should be "lynched" for her part in implementing welfare cuts.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/john-mcdonnell-still-refuses-to-apologise-over-lynch-esther-mcvey-remarkmass murdererfailed comedian James Cleverly to be Home Secretary once (and Foreign Secretary once). What's your point? Politicians have strong yet flexible views. It comes with the job.
Pointing to examples of his slalomic nature hardly seems unreasonable0 -
Hey, a friend of mine is getting nicked because he's more smashed than a civil servant after the fifth works meeting. Let's take a selfie.DecrepiterJohnL said:Photo of Swansea police arresting drunk man likened to Renaissance art
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/dec/24/photo-of-swansea-police-arresting-drunk-likened-to-renaissance-art1 -
You’re kidding! It will be a banning offence soon if some of his cheerleaders get their wayBlancheLivermore said:
Skeir Starmer is nailed on to be our next PMDecrepiterJohnL said:
Rishi only appointed misogynistBlancheLivermore said:
Slalom only campaigned for him to be Chancellor twiceStillWaters said:
You’re right.NeilVW said:-
Don’t think any Labour MPs said such. David Dimbleby had to read out John McDonnell’s denial of the claim by EstherStillWaters said:
How about the Labour MPs who wanted to hang Esther McVey or the comments that Angela Raynor made about stories?isam said:
He was no longer an MP when he made it mind youAverageNinja said:
What a horrible comment.isam said:Crass remarks indeed. The kind of thing you hear everyday in a kind of “my missus/mother in law” way, but not really what you expect from senior politicians
What did George Osborne say about Theresa May? Chop her up and put her in his freezer? I was always surprised he didn’t get more stick for it. Alastair Meeks and I argued about it on here at the time, I was surprised that he thought it was fair comment
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/13/george-osborne-criticised-for-gruesome-remarks-against-theresa-
may
There is a very unpleasant / immature edge to many of our politicians who don’t understand what is acceptable behaviour
McVey on the 2015 election programme that he had called for her lynching.
He called her “a stain on humanity”. And repeated someone else’s remark that she should be lynched.
That’s still not ok
John McDonnell has refused to apologise for repeating an offensive remark about new Work and Pensions Secretary Esther McVey.
The Shadow Chancellor described the then-disabilities minister as “a stain on humanity” during an outburst two years ago.
At a separate event, he also recounted a comment he had heard in which someone said Ms McVey should be "lynched" for her part in implementing welfare cuts.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/john-mcdonnell-still-refuses-to-apologise-over-lynch-esther-mcvey-remarkmass murdererfailed comedian James Cleverly to be Home Secretary once (and Foreign Secretary once). What's your point? Politicians have strong yet flexible views. It comes with the job.
Pointing to examples of his slalomic nature hardly seems unreasonable
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‘Sliding door’: Man who questioned Thatcher as boy says it changed his life’s path
Ernest Owusu says encounter with Iron Lady on TV in 1980 gave him confidence to ascend class ladder
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/24/man-who-questioned-margeret-thatcher-as-boy
Heart-warming human interest story of how a young Black boy was inspired to climb the class ladder by meeting the Prime Minister, only slightly spoiled by the revelation that his father was a lawyer.3 -
Apparently the father didn’t have much to do with the lad, though.DecrepiterJohnL said:‘Sliding door’: Man who questioned Thatcher as boy says it changed his life’s path
Ernest Owusu says encounter with Iron Lady on TV in 1980 gave him confidence to ascend class ladder
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/24/man-who-questioned-margeret-thatcher-as-boy
Heart-warming human interest story of how a young Black boy was inspired to climb the class ladder by meeting the Prime Minister, only slightly spoiled by the revelation that his father was a lawyer.
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I suspect the majority of Labour MPs would've loved McDonnell to resign, given they thought their leadership team a disaster. Plus he held no official role when he made the comments. They just resurfaced later because they could be pinned on him when Shadow Chancellor. Not that it makes them any better of and in themselves but it does make the situation rather different. McDonnell's long history of saying some obnoxious things was a reason lots of Labour MPs were horrified when Corbyn won and appointed him.StillWaters said:
How about the Labour MPs who wanted to hang Esther McVey or the comments that Angela Raynor made about stories?isam said:
He was no longer an MP when he made it mind youAverageNinja said:
What a horrible comment.isam said:Crass remarks indeed. The kind of thing you hear everyday in a kind of “my missus/mother in law” way, but not really what you expect from senior politicians
What did George Osborne say about Theresa May? Chop her up and put her in his freezer? I was always surprised he didn’t get more stick for it. Alastair Meeks and I argued about it on here at the time, I was surprised that he thought it was fair comment
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/13/george-osborne-criticised-for-gruesome-remarks-against-theresa-
may
There is a very unpleasant / immature edge to many of our politicians who don’t understand what is acceptable behaviour
As for Rayner, her comments were unpleasant and bad politics but nothing more.
As I understand it, the reasoning for calling on Cleverly to resign is that it's just incredibly stupid and damaging to make that kind of joke while Home Secretary as it undermines your efforts to reassure those who have been affected, or fear they may be, that it's a problem you take very seriously. Like if an airline CEO joked about bumping off his wife by saying he'd buy her a ticket on his airline as there's a fair chance it'd crash.
If it had resurfaced from years ago, it would likely be more of an apology, and a promise not to act the arse in future now he's got big govt. responsibilities. Whether or not it's a resigning matter as it is maybe down to the quality of personnel you can draw upon.1 -
A happy xmas to people here with no reservations....we may disagree but no one here are particulary bad people in my view11
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I remember watching a documentary many years ago about the secret services keeping tabs on people. A lad of about 12 who's waited up to see them then PM (Wilson, maybe?) attend a local event and who had a file opened for his troubles. Kept up to date through his whole life - every in and out. At various stages the services had 'given a nod' to potential employers that they were keeping an eye out.OldKingCole said:
Apparently the father didn’t have much to do with the lad, though.DecrepiterJohnL said:‘Sliding door’: Man who questioned Thatcher as boy says it changed his life’s path
Ernest Owusu says encounter with Iron Lady on TV in 1980 gave him confidence to ascend class ladder
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/24/man-who-questioned-margeret-thatcher-as-boy
Heart-warming human interest story of how a young Black boy was inspired to climb the class ladder by meeting the Prime Minister, only slightly spoiled by the revelation that his father was a lawyer.
That'll teach him to be aspirational but the wrong class.
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I think you'll find there was no party and anyone who says there was is just talking Britain down. And besides, the wine was just from the local Tesco so double-plus doesn't count.ydoethur said:
Hey, a friend of mine is getting nicked because he's more smashed than a civil servant after the fifth works meeting. Let's take a selfie.DecrepiterJohnL said:Photo of Swansea police arresting drunk man likened to Renaissance art
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/dec/24/photo-of-swansea-police-arresting-drunk-likened-to-renaissance-art1 -
I always find that the ultimate answer from the Keir cheerers is "But Boris was worse"isam said:
You’re kidding! It will be a banning offence soon if some of his cheerleaders get their wayBlancheLivermore said:
Skeir Starmer is nailed on to be our next PMDecrepiterJohnL said:
Rishi only appointed misogynistBlancheLivermore said:
Slalom only campaigned for him to be Chancellor twiceStillWaters said:
You’re right.NeilVW said:-
Don’t think any Labour MPs said such. David Dimbleby had to read out John McDonnell’s denial of the claim by EstherStillWaters said:
How about the Labour MPs who wanted to hang Esther McVey or the comments that Angela Raynor made about stories?isam said:
He was no longer an MP when he made it mind youAverageNinja said:
What a horrible comment.isam said:Crass remarks indeed. The kind of thing you hear everyday in a kind of “my missus/mother in law” way, but not really what you expect from senior politicians
What did George Osborne say about Theresa May? Chop her up and put her in his freezer? I was always surprised he didn’t get more stick for it. Alastair Meeks and I argued about it on here at the time, I was surprised that he thought it was fair comment
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/13/george-osborne-criticised-for-gruesome-remarks-against-theresa-
may
There is a very unpleasant / immature edge to many of our politicians who don’t understand what is acceptable behaviour
McVey on the 2015 election programme that he had called for her lynching.
He called her “a stain on humanity”. And repeated someone else’s remark that she should be lynched.
That’s still not ok
John McDonnell has refused to apologise for repeating an offensive remark about new Work and Pensions Secretary Esther McVey.
The Shadow Chancellor described the then-disabilities minister as “a stain on humanity” during an outburst two years ago.
At a separate event, he also recounted a comment he had heard in which someone said Ms McVey should be "lynched" for her part in implementing welfare cuts.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/john-mcdonnell-still-refuses-to-apologise-over-lynch-esther-mcvey-remarkmass murdererfailed comedian James Cleverly to be Home Secretary once (and Foreign Secretary once). What's your point? Politicians have strong yet flexible views. It comes with the job.
Pointing to examples of his slalomic nature hardly seems unreasonable
They do not care for one second that they have no idea whether Starmer will be Blair or Corbyn reborn once in power (BJO cares, but he can't believe the latter) he'll just definitely be better
I've got to admit that I've been really rather impressed and pleased by his resolute standing with Ukraine, and how he hasn't at all bent towards the anti Israel view quite prevalent in his party
But it wasn't that long ago that he was a full on Red. He's now dressing up as a soldier1 -
Well, I know civil servants are meant to be non-party but I have my doubts.ohnotnow said:
I think you'll find there was no party and anyone who says there was is just talking Britain down. And besides, the wine was just from the local Tesco so double-plus doesn't count.ydoethur said:
Hey, a friend of mine is getting nicked because he's more smashed than a civil servant after the fifth works meeting. Let's take a selfie.DecrepiterJohnL said:Photo of Swansea police arresting drunk man likened to Renaissance art
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/dec/24/photo-of-swansea-police-arresting-drunk-likened-to-renaissance-art1 -
I've been quite struck by the increase in people on my local subreddit who are really struggling with mental health problems. Not quite at the 'suicide risk' point where emergency services might leap into action - but very much at the "I can't hold my job down and am risk of losing my accommodation" level. No sign of any help unless they can afford private counselling.DecrepiterJohnL said:More than 500,000 under-35s in UK out of work due to long-term illness
Experts link 44% increase in four years to a growing mental health crisis and underinvestment in health services
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/dec/24/500000-under-35s-out-of-work-long-term-illness-uk
Something is up. No good answers in the story.1 -
You could give us all an xmas present though...?rcs1000 said:AverageNinja said:Please can you reinstate @Leon.
Leon is not bannedAverageNinja said:Please can you reinstate @Leon.
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Just a jest. Merry Xmas, you’re not a particularly bad person. Just struck me as humourous, apologies.Pagan2 said:0 -
Oh indeed but it does mean the son would likely have had middle-class aspirations, or at the very least have known such a path was possible. Heart-warming fare nonetheless.OldKingCole said:
Apparently the father didn’t have much to do with the lad, though.DecrepiterJohnL said:‘Sliding door’: Man who questioned Thatcher as boy says it changed his life’s path
Ernest Owusu says encounter with Iron Lady on TV in 1980 gave him confidence to ascend class ladder
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/24/man-who-questioned-margeret-thatcher-as-boy
Heart-warming human interest story of how a young Black boy was inspired to climb the class ladder by meeting the Prime Minister, only slightly spoiled by the revelation that his father was a lawyer.0 -
"Where You're Meant To Be" has become mine of late. Sometimes sad and sometimes redemptive & carefree.BlancheLivermore said:Withnail & I is my favourite Christmas movie
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The script is excellent. It is one of Samuel L Jackson's favourites from his own filmography - he says he always watches it if he catches it on TV.viewcode said:
Shane Black is the screenwriter. Many of his films are set at XmasLuckyguy1983 said:
As non-Christmas Christmas films go, The Long Kiss Goodnight takes some beating:Nigelb said:
I denounce it as an unrepentant Christmas movie.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes, StJohn sent me the PB Christmas crossword a week last Sunday.viewcode said:Are we having the usual present tomorrow? Will Santa @MikeSmithson and the elves @TSE and @rcs1000 be bringing us the Xmas Crossword Of Impossibility And Puns?
If you all denounce Die Hard as a Christmas movie now then I shall publish it tomorrow.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k5Xkb4lyRKQ&pp=ygUXVGhlIGxvbmcga2lzcyBnb29kbmlnaHQ=2 -
shrugs it was a genuine sentiment, there are people that think differently and I disagree with. I was acknowleding still their views and mine didnt mean the came from a bad place, merely a different point of view of what is best.NeilVW said:
Just a jest. Merry Xmas, you’re not a particularly bad person. Just struck me as humourous, apologies.Pagan2 said:
Of course I can't make that expression without someone demeaning it with by being the random arsehole who wants to keep everyone divided0 -
Just as well you're not falling into the trap of issuing an angry riposte then.Pagan2 said:
shrugs it was a genuine sentiment, there are people that think differently and I disagree with. I was acknowleding still their views and mine didnt mean the came from a bad place, merely a different point of view of what is best.NeilVW said:
Just a jest. Merry Xmas, you’re not a particularly bad person. Just struck me as humourous, apologies.Pagan2 said:
Of course I can't make that expression without someone demeaning it with by being the random arsehole who wants to keep everyone divided1 -
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OT NHS rant
A local hospital invites me to the Clinical Diagnostic Unit, in the Orange Zone, opposite Outpatients. Helpfully there is a full-colour map of the hospital. Less usefully, the only orange on the map is the wall of the multi-storey car park and amongst the departments named is neither the CDU nor Outpatients.
This is symptomatic of Britain today. Clearly they have made an effort to be helpful but no-one has paid attention to the details. It's like poorly-sited road signs, or uncoordinated bus or rail timetables.0 -
That was not an angry riposte it was a sad riposte, I made a gesture of solidarity because I believe there is more that connects us than divides us whether left or right....i riposted against one person only who questioned it. I think most here took it as meantLuckyguy1983 said:
Just as well you're not falling into the trap of issuing an angry riposte then.Pagan2 said:
shrugs it was a genuine sentiment, there are people that think differently and I disagree with. I was acknowleding still their views and mine didnt mean the came from a bad place, merely a different point of view of what is best.NeilVW said:
Just a jest. Merry Xmas, you’re not a particularly bad person. Just struck me as humourous, apologies.Pagan2 said:
Of course I can't make that expression without someone demeaning it with by being the random arsehole who wants to keep everyone divided1 -
Such a shame that the latest "SKS is scum" has turned him into a bit of a sexy lawyer man who has been described as "good"0
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I won't that is not a good thing...now most will know for example ther e are left wingers here I butt heads with. We disagree completely....kinablu being an example...I however do not in anyway think he is a bad person....we merely disagree, he thinks his views are good...I think mine are.Nigelb said:
Describing someone as not particularly bad....sorry thats an insult. I would not decribe anyone here that way no matter the disagreement0 -
Leon could then regenerate as a part time bodybuilder who moonlights by writing good cracker jokes?ohnotnow said:
You could give us all an xmas present though...?rcs1000 said:AverageNinja said:Please can you reinstate @Leon.
Leon is not bannedAverageNinja said:Please can you reinstate @Leon.
(j/k)
Hmmmm. That might be a bit far-fetched. I mean, nobody's ever seen a good cracker joke.0 -
Good night, folks, and Nadolig Llawen, Happy Christmas, or Yule, if you prefer to one and all!6
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I've just put on King's College carols
My Christmas has begun0 -
Good night @OldKingCole. Merry Christmas when it comes, and wishing Santa brings you better health in 2024.OldKingCole said:Good night, folks, and Nadolig Llawen, Happy Christmas, or Yule, if you prefer to one and all!
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Yule-tide if you want to!OldKingCole said:Good night, folks, and Nadolig Llawen, Happy Christmas, or Yule, if you prefer to one and all!
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Feliz Navidad 👍1
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It is a cracker.Luckyguy1983 said:
The script is excellent. It is one of Samuel L Jackson's favourites from his own filmography - he says he always watches it if he catches it on TV.viewcode said:
Shane Black is the screenwriter. Many of his films are set at XmasLuckyguy1983 said:
As non-Christmas Christmas films go, The Long Kiss Goodnight takes some beating:Nigelb said:
I denounce it as an unrepentant Christmas movie.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes, StJohn sent me the PB Christmas crossword a week last Sunday.viewcode said:Are we having the usual present tomorrow? Will Santa @MikeSmithson and the elves @TSE and @rcs1000 be bringing us the Xmas Crossword Of Impossibility And Puns?
If you all denounce Die Hard as a Christmas movie now then I shall publish it tomorrow.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k5Xkb4lyRKQ&pp=ygUXVGhlIGxvbmcga2lzcyBnb29kbmlnaHQ=
Morally dubious, perhaps, but hugely enjoyable.0 -
Nadolig Llawen a flwyddyn Newydd Dda i chi a bawb yma hefyd.OldKingCole said:Good night, folks, and Nadolig Llawen, Happy Christmas, or Yule, if you prefer to one and all!
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I get that, which is why I said “I’ll take that”.Pagan2 said:
That was not an angry riposte it was a sad riposte, I made a gesture of solidarity because I believe there is more that connects us than divides us whether left or right....i riposted against one person only who questioned it. I think most here took it as meantLuckyguy1983 said:
Just as well you're not falling into the trap of issuing an angry riposte then.Pagan2 said:
shrugs it was a genuine sentiment, there are people that think differently and I disagree with. I was acknowleding still their views and mine didnt mean the came from a bad place, merely a different point of view of what is best.NeilVW said:
Just a jest. Merry Xmas, you’re not a particularly bad person. Just struck me as humourous, apologies.Pagan2 said:
Of course I can't make that expression without someone demeaning it with by being the random arsehole who wants to keep everyone divided0 -
Cleverley to be sacked under cover of Christmas. This gaff isn’t a problem for Sunak, but a huge opportunity. Replacing Mr “Rwanda plan is bat shit crazy” with a right winger will bring back on board many who otherwise in the New Year would have caused him issues. What a gift wrapped opportunity to shore up a weakening flank. This is the reason Cleverley is now toast.0
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Sunak appointed Stupidly as Home Sec as his heir apparent. That isn't working out too well.MoonRabbit said:Cleverley to be sacked under cover of Christmas. This gaff isn’t a problem for Sunak, but a huge opportunity. Replacing Mr “Rwanda plan is bat shit crazy” with a right winger will bring back on board many who otherwise in the New Year would have caused him issues. What a gift wrapped opportunity to shore up a weakening flank. This is the reason Cleverley is now toast.
So that leaves a vacancy as the Not Swivel Eyed candidate for the leadership.0 -
He was never full on 'red'. He was a resigner in 2016. What he was, if one wants to try and describe it, was a soft left Labourist - someone who sits in the relative middle of Labour, and agrees with the Labour right on some things and the left on others. And whose views usually evolve as the party does and sees what works and what doesn't. Initially lots of people were quite worried about that, and that he might not have the strength of will to fully turn the page on the Corbyn and Miliband years. But he seems to have a ruthless streak and his internal opponents have helped him out massively by doing stuff that has forced his hand to decide between party and public, and of course the public win every time on that front.BlancheLivermore said:
I always find that the ultimate answer from the Keir cheerers is "But Boris was worse"isam said:
You’re kidding! It will be a banning offence soon if some of his cheerleaders get their wayBlancheLivermore said:
Skeir Starmer is nailed on to be our next PMDecrepiterJohnL said:
Rishi only appointed misogynistBlancheLivermore said:
Slalom only campaigned for him to be Chancellor twiceStillWaters said:
You’re right.NeilVW said:-
Don’t think any Labour MPs said such. David Dimbleby had to read out John McDonnell’s denial of the claim by EstherStillWaters said:
How about the Labour MPs who wanted to hang Esther McVey or the comments that Angela Raynor made about stories?isam said:
He was no longer an MP when he made it mind youAverageNinja said:
What a horrible comment.isam said:Crass remarks indeed. The kind of thing you hear everyday in a kind of “my missus/mother in law” way, but not really what you expect from senior politicians
What did George Osborne say about Theresa May? Chop her up and put her in his freezer? I was always surprised he didn’t get more stick for it. Alastair Meeks and I argued about it on here at the time, I was surprised that he thought it was fair comment
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/13/george-osborne-criticised-for-gruesome-remarks-against-theresa-
may
There is a very unpleasant / immature edge to many of our politicians who don’t understand what is acceptable behaviour
McVey on the 2015 election programme that he had called for her lynching.
He called her “a stain on humanity”. And repeated someone else’s remark that she should be lynched.
That’s still not ok
John McDonnell has refused to apologise for repeating an offensive remark about new Work and Pensions Secretary Esther McVey.
The Shadow Chancellor described the then-disabilities minister as “a stain on humanity” during an outburst two years ago.
At a separate event, he also recounted a comment he had heard in which someone said Ms McVey should be "lynched" for her part in implementing welfare cuts.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/john-mcdonnell-still-refuses-to-apologise-over-lynch-esther-mcvey-remarkmass murdererfailed comedian James Cleverly to be Home Secretary once (and Foreign Secretary once). What's your point? Politicians have strong yet flexible views. It comes with the job.
Pointing to examples of his slalomic nature hardly seems unreasonable
They do not care for one second that they have no idea whether Starmer will be Blair or Corbyn reborn once in power (BJO cares, but he can't believe the latter) he'll just definitely be better
I've got to admit that I've been really rather impressed and pleased by his resolute standing with Ukraine, and how he hasn't at all bent towards the anti Israel view quite prevalent in his party
But it wasn't that long ago that he was a full on Red. He's now dressing up as a soldier
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크리스마스 잘 보내세요.ydoethur said:
Nadolig Llawen a flwyddyn Newydd Dda i chi a bawb yma hefyd.OldKingCole said:Good night, folks, and Nadolig Llawen, Happy Christmas, or Yule, if you prefer to one and all!
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I prefer the version about the chap from Edinburgh whose father was a labourer on a building site. Fae Leith navvy dad.londonpubman said:Feliz Navidad 👍
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Listen, Betty. Don't start up with your Orange Zone shit again!DecrepiterJohnL said:OT NHS rant
A local hospital invites me to the Clinical Diagnostic Unit, in the Orange Zone, opposite Outpatients. Helpfully there is a full-colour map of the hospital. Less usefully, the only orange on the map is the wall of the multi-storey car park and amongst the departments named is neither the CDU nor Outpatients.
This is symptomatic of Britain today. Clearly they have made an effort to be helpful but no-one has paid attention to the details. It's like poorly-sited road signs, or uncoordinated bus or rail timetables.3 -
A line to sum up the entire New Testament.OldKingCole said:
Apparently the father didn’t have much to do with the lad, though.DecrepiterJohnL said:‘Sliding door’: Man who questioned Thatcher as boy says it changed his life’s path
Ernest Owusu says encounter with Iron Lady on TV in 1980 gave him confidence to ascend class ladder
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/24/man-who-questioned-margeret-thatcher-as-boy
Heart-warming human interest story of how a young Black boy was inspired to climb the class ladder by meeting the Prime Minister, only slightly spoiled by the revelation that his father was a lawyer.1 -
Show offNigelb said:
크리스마스 잘 보내세요.ydoethur said:
Nadolig Llawen a flwyddyn Newydd Dda i chi a bawb yma hefyd.OldKingCole said:Good night, folks, and Nadolig Llawen, Happy Christmas, or Yule, if you prefer to one and all!
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He worked for the International Marxist Revolutionary TendencyMJW said:
He was never full on 'red'. He was a resigner in 2016. What he was, if one wants to try and describe it, was a soft left Labourist - someone who sits in the relative middle of Labour, and agrees with the Labour right on some things and the left on others. And whose views usually evolve as the party does and sees what works and what doesn't. Initially lots of people were quite worried about that, and that he might not have the strength of will to fully turn the page on the Corbyn and Miliband years. But he seems to have a ruthless streak and his internal opponents have helped him out massively by doing stuff that has forced his hand to decide between party and public, and of course the public win every time on that front.BlancheLivermore said:
I always find that the ultimate answer from the Keir cheerers is "But Boris was worse"isam said:
You’re kidding! It will be a banning offence soon if some of his cheerleaders get their wayBlancheLivermore said:
Skeir Starmer is nailed on to be our next PMDecrepiterJohnL said:
Rishi only appointed misogynistBlancheLivermore said:
Slalom only campaigned for him to be Chancellor twiceStillWaters said:
You’re right.NeilVW said:-
Don’t think any Labour MPs said such. David Dimbleby had to read out John McDonnell’s denial of the claim by EstherStillWaters said:
How about the Labour MPs who wanted to hang Esther McVey or the comments that Angela Raynor made about stories?isam said:
He was no longer an MP when he made it mind youAverageNinja said:
What a horrible comment.isam said:Crass remarks indeed. The kind of thing you hear everyday in a kind of “my missus/mother in law” way, but not really what you expect from senior politicians
What did George Osborne say about Theresa May? Chop her up and put her in his freezer? I was always surprised he didn’t get more stick for it. Alastair Meeks and I argued about it on here at the time, I was surprised that he thought it was fair comment
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/13/george-osborne-criticised-for-gruesome-remarks-against-theresa-
may
There is a very unpleasant / immature edge to many of our politicians who don’t understand what is acceptable behaviour
McVey on the 2015 election programme that he had called for her lynching.
He called her “a stain on humanity”. And repeated someone else’s remark that she should be lynched.
That’s still not ok
John McDonnell has refused to apologise for repeating an offensive remark about new Work and Pensions Secretary Esther McVey.
The Shadow Chancellor described the then-disabilities minister as “a stain on humanity” during an outburst two years ago.
At a separate event, he also recounted a comment he had heard in which someone said Ms McVey should be "lynched" for her part in implementing welfare cuts.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/john-mcdonnell-still-refuses-to-apologise-over-lynch-esther-mcvey-remarkmass murdererfailed comedian James Cleverly to be Home Secretary once (and Foreign Secretary once). What's your point? Politicians have strong yet flexible views. It comes with the job.
Pointing to examples of his slalomic nature hardly seems unreasonable
They do not care for one second that they have no idea whether Starmer will be Blair or Corbyn reborn once in power (BJO cares, but he can't believe the latter) he'll just definitely be better
I've got to admit that I've been really rather impressed and pleased by his resolute standing with Ukraine, and how he hasn't at all bent towards the anti Israel view quite prevalent in his party
But it wasn't that long ago that he was a full on Red. He's now dressing up as a soldier
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Agus Nollaig Chridheil agus Bliadhna Mhath Ùr dhuibhse agus dhan a h-uile duine an seo cuideachd.ydoethur said:
Nadolig Llawen a flwyddyn Newydd Dda i chi a bawb yma hefyd.OldKingCole said:Good night, folks, and Nadolig Llawen, Happy Christmas, or Yule, if you prefer to one and all!
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크리스마스 is just a phonetic transliteration of Christmas (though in five syllables).ydoethur said:
Show offNigelb said:
크리스마스 잘 보내세요.ydoethur said:
Nadolig Llawen a flwyddyn Newydd Dda i chi a bawb yma hefyd.OldKingCole said:Good night, folks, and Nadolig Llawen, Happy Christmas, or Yule, if you prefer to one and all!
There’s quite a lot of Konglish.0 -
Cat walked across your keyboard?Fairliered said:
Agus Nollaig Chridheil agus Bliadhna Mhath Ùr dhuibhse agus dhan a h-uile duine an seo cuideachd.ydoethur said:
Nadolig Llawen a flwyddyn Newydd Dda i chi a bawb yma hefyd.OldKingCole said:Good night, folks, and Nadolig Llawen, Happy Christmas, or Yule, if you prefer to one and all!
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I think the wind did it. It's been Gael force.SandyRentool said:
Cat walked across your keyboard?Fairliered said:
Agus Nollaig Chridheil agus Bliadhna Mhath Ùr dhuibhse agus dhan a h-uile duine an seo cuideachd.ydoethur said:
Nadolig Llawen a flwyddyn Newydd Dda i chi a bawb yma hefyd.OldKingCole said:Good night, folks, and Nadolig Llawen, Happy Christmas, or Yule, if you prefer to one and all!
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It's not that I don't care - but what can I do?BlancheLivermore said:
I always find that the ultimate answer from the Keir cheerers is "But Boris was worse"isam said:
You’re kidding! It will be a banning offence soon if some of his cheerleaders get their wayBlancheLivermore said:
Skeir Starmer is nailed on to be our next PMDecrepiterJohnL said:
Rishi only appointed misogynistBlancheLivermore said:
Slalom only campaigned for him to be Chancellor twiceStillWaters said:
You’re right.NeilVW said:-
Don’t think any Labour MPs said such. David Dimbleby had to read out John McDonnell’s denial of the claim by EstherStillWaters said:
How about the Labour MPs who wanted to hang Esther McVey or the comments that Angela Raynor made about stories?isam said:
He was no longer an MP when he made it mind youAverageNinja said:
What a horrible comment.isam said:Crass remarks indeed. The kind of thing you hear everyday in a kind of “my missus/mother in law” way, but not really what you expect from senior politicians
What did George Osborne say about Theresa May? Chop her up and put her in his freezer? I was always surprised he didn’t get more stick for it. Alastair Meeks and I argued about it on here at the time, I was surprised that he thought it was fair comment
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/13/george-osborne-criticised-for-gruesome-remarks-against-theresa-
may
There is a very unpleasant / immature edge to many of our politicians who don’t understand what is acceptable behaviour
McVey on the 2015 election programme that he had called for her lynching.
He called her “a stain on humanity”. And repeated someone else’s remark that she should be lynched.
That’s still not ok
John McDonnell has refused to apologise for repeating an offensive remark about new Work and Pensions Secretary Esther McVey.
The Shadow Chancellor described the then-disabilities minister as “a stain on humanity” during an outburst two years ago.
At a separate event, he also recounted a comment he had heard in which someone said Ms McVey should be "lynched" for her part in implementing welfare cuts.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/john-mcdonnell-still-refuses-to-apologise-over-lynch-esther-mcvey-remarkmass murdererfailed comedian James Cleverly to be Home Secretary once (and Foreign Secretary once). What's your point? Politicians have strong yet flexible views. It comes with the job.
Pointing to examples of his slalomic nature hardly seems unreasonable
They do not care for one second that they have no idea whether Starmer will be Blair or Corbyn reborn once in power (BJO cares, but he can't believe the latter) he'll just definitely be better
I've got to admit that I've been really rather impressed and pleased by his resolute standing with Ukraine, and how he hasn't at all bent towards the anti Israel view quite prevalent in his party
But it wasn't that long ago that he was a full on Red. He's now dressing up as a soldier
Am I going to vote Tory because I fear Starmer might be Blair Mk2 or Jezza in disguise?
Am I fuck.
(*I'd like hime to be midway between Blair and Corbyn if you want to know. I fully expect him to disappoint me a bit one way or the other, or possibly both at the same time. But after the past 13 years of shit government, I'll take anything that is not a Tory-led administration.)
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Häid Jõule kõigile!ydoethur said:
Nadolig Llawen a flwyddyn Newydd Dda i chi a bawb yma hefyd.OldKingCole said:Good night, folks, and Nadolig Llawen, Happy Christmas, or Yule, if you prefer to one and all!
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It’s been hard getting ready for Christmas this year with an eleven month old but finally seem to have made it! Excited for his first Christmas tomorrow, with his 84 year old grandad sporting a new hip as of Friday…
Merry Christmas one and all. Be kind.5 -
I'm quite excited, as a political nerd, to find out which way he'll goBenpointer said:
It's not that I don't care - but what can I do?BlancheLivermore said:
I always find that the ultimate answer from the Keir cheerers is "But Boris was worse"isam said:
You’re kidding! It will be a banning offence soon if some of his cheerleaders get their wayBlancheLivermore said:
Skeir Starmer is nailed on to be our next PMDecrepiterJohnL said:
Rishi only appointed misogynistBlancheLivermore said:
Slalom only campaigned for him to be Chancellor twiceStillWaters said:
You’re right.NeilVW said:-
Don’t think any Labour MPs said such. David Dimbleby had to read out John McDonnell’s denial of the claim by EstherStillWaters said:
How about the Labour MPs who wanted to hang Esther McVey or the comments that Angela Raynor made about stories?isam said:
He was no longer an MP when he made it mind youAverageNinja said:
What a horrible comment.isam said:Crass remarks indeed. The kind of thing you hear everyday in a kind of “my missus/mother in law” way, but not really what you expect from senior politicians
What did George Osborne say about Theresa May? Chop her up and put her in his freezer? I was always surprised he didn’t get more stick for it. Alastair Meeks and I argued about it on here at the time, I was surprised that he thought it was fair comment
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/13/george-osborne-criticised-for-gruesome-remarks-against-theresa-
may
There is a very unpleasant / immature edge to many of our politicians who don’t understand what is acceptable behaviour
McVey on the 2015 election programme that he had called for her lynching.
He called her “a stain on humanity”. And repeated someone else’s remark that she should be lynched.
That’s still not ok
John McDonnell has refused to apologise for repeating an offensive remark about new Work and Pensions Secretary Esther McVey.
The Shadow Chancellor described the then-disabilities minister as “a stain on humanity” during an outburst two years ago.
At a separate event, he also recounted a comment he had heard in which someone said Ms McVey should be "lynched" for her part in implementing welfare cuts.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/john-mcdonnell-still-refuses-to-apologise-over-lynch-esther-mcvey-remarkmass murdererfailed comedian James Cleverly to be Home Secretary once (and Foreign Secretary once). What's your point? Politicians have strong yet flexible views. It comes with the job.
Pointing to examples of his slalomic nature hardly seems unreasonable
They do not care for one second that they have no idea whether Starmer will be Blair or Corbyn reborn once in power (BJO cares, but he can't believe the latter) he'll just definitely be better
I've got to admit that I've been really rather impressed and pleased by his resolute standing with Ukraine, and how he hasn't at all bent towards the anti Israel view quite prevalent in his party
But it wasn't that long ago that he was a full on Red. He's now dressing up as a soldier
Am I going to vote Tory because I fear Starmer might be Blair Mk2 or Jezza in disguise?
Am I fuck.
(*I'd like hime to be midway between Blair and Corbyn if you want to know. I fully expect him to disappoint me a bit one way or the other, or possibly both at the same time. But after the past 13 years of shit government, I'll take anything that is not a Tory-led administration.)
But I don't imagine that I'll tire from pointing out his swerving
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Joyeux Noël et Bonne Année de la part de homme chat!ydoethur said:
Nadolig Llawen a flwyddyn Newydd Dda i chi a bawb yma hefyd.OldKingCole said:Good night, folks, and Nadolig Llawen, Happy Christmas, or Yule, if you prefer to one and all!
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According to BBC4 the home Secretary has resigned due to an unfortunate drink drive incident, the prime minister has also resigned and the party chairman has been elected unopposed as his successor with the help of a speech attacking the European Commission's proposals for abolishing the British Sausage!9
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Nadine Dorries!MoonRabbit said:Cleverley to be sacked under cover of Christmas. This gaff isn’t a problem for Sunak, but a huge opportunity. Replacing Mr “Rwanda plan is bat shit crazy” with a right winger will bring back on board many who otherwise in the New Year would have caused him issues. What a gift wrapped opportunity to shore up a weakening flank. This is the reason Cleverley is now toast.
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Couldn’t they have hushed up a mere drink driving incident - what did he do, detail a train carrying nuclear waste? Though even that’s not like he’s told a daft joke to a room of journalists expecting them to keep their word not to leak it!Verulamius said:According to BBC4 the home Secretary has resigned due to an unfortunate drink drive incident, the prime minister has also resigned and the party chairman has been elected unopposed as his successor with the help of a speech attacking the European Commission's proposals for abolishing the British Sausage!
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@Leon please come back.0
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Two carol services done (with our new vicar!). 6pm service was absolutely packed - standing room only. Midnight Mass and Christmas Day morning service still to do. Going to go for an easy final voluntary at midnight because I’m frankly wilting. Merry Christmas all.1
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It just goes from bad to wurst.Verulamius said:According to BBC4 the home Secretary has resigned due to an unfortunate drink drive incident, the prime minister has also resigned and the party chairman has been elected unopposed as his successor with the help of a speech attacking the European Commission's proposals for abolishing the British Sausage!
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Oh Sandy. Claire Coutinho the next Chancellor, Is Sunak’s choice for heir apparent and non crazy candidate for leadership. She’ll get it too.SandyRentool said:
Sunak appointed Stupidly as Home Sec as his heir apparent. That isn't working out too well.MoonRabbit said:Cleverley to be sacked under cover of Christmas. This gaff isn’t a problem for Sunak, but a huge opportunity. Replacing Mr “Rwanda plan is bat shit crazy” with a right winger will bring back on board many who otherwise in the New Year would have caused him issues. What a gift wrapped opportunity to shore up a weakening flank. This is the reason Cleverley is now toast.
So that leaves a vacancy as the Not Swivel Eyed candidate for the leadership.0 -
The next Home Secretary should be Baron Johnson of Uxbridge, following his elevation in the New Year honours list. Then it will just be Ms May and Ms Truss to return to the cabinet.Roger said:
Nadine Dorries!MoonRabbit said:Cleverley to be sacked under cover of Christmas. This gaff isn’t a problem for Sunak, but a huge opportunity. Replacing Mr “Rwanda plan is bat shit crazy” with a right winger will bring back on board many who otherwise in the New Year would have caused him issues. What a gift wrapped opportunity to shore up a weakening flank. This is the reason Cleverley is now toast.
She'll shore up the loony tunes....1 -
Can't see him keeping his constituency at the election, his majority is only just over 1000.Verulamius said:According to BBC4 the home Secretary has resigned due to an unfortunate drink drive incident, the prime minister has also resigned and the party chairman has been elected unopposed as his successor with the help of a speech attacking the European Commission's proposals for abolishing the British Sausage!
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Is being Sunak's heir apparent going to be much of a bonus when the time comes?MoonRabbit said:
Oh Sandy. Claire Coutinho the next Chancellor, Is Sunak’s choice for heir apparent and non crazy candidate for leadership. She’ll get it too.SandyRentool said:
Sunak appointed Stupidly as Home Sec as his heir apparent. That isn't working out too well.MoonRabbit said:Cleverley to be sacked under cover of Christmas. This gaff isn’t a problem for Sunak, but a huge opportunity. Replacing Mr “Rwanda plan is bat shit crazy” with a right winger will bring back on board many who otherwise in the New Year would have caused him issues. What a gift wrapped opportunity to shore up a weakening flank. This is the reason Cleverley is now toast.
So that leaves a vacancy as the Not Swivel Eyed candidate for the leadership.
Anyway, now the children are unambiguously asleep, there's wrapping to do and Father Ted to watch in the background.
A Cool Yule to you all, and especially to you.2 -
I'm doing Christmas Day, but not the Midnight. I'm going to give the three people who turn up at 9.30 some decent Stanford.El_Capitano said:Two carol services done (with our new vicar!). 6pm service was absolutely packed - standing room only. Midnight Mass and Christmas Day morning service still to do. Going to go for an easy final voluntary at midnight because I’m frankly wilting. Merry Christmas all.
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I’ve got a speaking part at midnight. 😇El_Capitano said:Two carol services done (with our new vicar!). 6pm service was absolutely packed - standing room only. Midnight Mass and Christmas Day morning service still to do. Going to go for an easy final voluntary at midnight because I’m frankly wilting. Merry Christmas all.
Before Jesus, in Old Testament, lambs were sacrificed for sins, then God gave baby Jesus to be killed like a lamb for our sins - so we could live forever, and lambs could be spared. So the birth of Jesus was good news for lambs I will say.1 -
Let's at least have a peaceful Christmas before the attention-seeking manchild returns.AverageNinja said:@Leon please come back.
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What Stanford are you giving them? I like the Stanford symphonies.ydoethur said:
I'm doing Christmas Day, but not the Midnight. I'm going to give the three people who turn up at 9.30 some decent Stanford.El_Capitano said:Two carol services done (with our new vicar!). 6pm service was absolutely packed - standing room only. Midnight Mass and Christmas Day morning service still to do. Going to go for an easy final voluntary at midnight because I’m frankly wilting. Merry Christmas all.
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Stanford's Prelude for Christmastide Op182MoonRabbit said:
What Stanford are you giving them? I like the Stanford symphonies.ydoethur said:
I'm doing Christmas Day, but not the Midnight. I'm going to give the three people who turn up at 9.30 some decent Stanford.El_Capitano said:Two carol services done (with our new vicar!). 6pm service was absolutely packed - standing room only. Midnight Mass and Christmas Day morning service still to do. Going to go for an easy final voluntary at midnight because I’m frankly wilting. Merry Christmas all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dgpmS0bwCw
https://youtu.be/WICWD3Mn9BE?si=quM2WC3z2uhiuKPb
(I play it a bit faster with that and with more on the pedal in the second half.)1 -
Hieronymus Bosch?DecrepiterJohnL said:Photo of Swansea police arresting drunk man likened to Renaissance art
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/dec/24/photo-of-swansea-police-arresting-drunk-likened-to-renaissance-art1 -
Quick blast of this first ?ydoethur said:
I'm doing Christmas Day, but not the Midnight. I'm going to give the three people who turn up at 9.30 some decent Stanford.El_Capitano said:Two carol services done (with our new vicar!). 6pm service was absolutely packed - standing room only. Midnight Mass and Christmas Day morning service still to do. Going to go for an easy final voluntary at midnight because I’m frankly wilting. Merry Christmas all.
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Happy Christmas Eve to all PBers. Looking forward to the famous St John crossword tomorrow.1
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Would be appropriate for 9.30 am but I think the Midnight will be getting that. Got a gentle arrangement of Queen Pastores instead.Nigelb said:
Quick blast of this first ?ydoethur said:
I'm doing Christmas Day, but not the Midnight. I'm going to give the three people who turn up at 9.30 some decent Stanford.El_Capitano said:Two carol services done (with our new vicar!). 6pm service was absolutely packed - standing room only. Midnight Mass and Christmas Day morning service still to do. Going to go for an easy final voluntary at midnight because I’m frankly wilting. Merry Christmas all.
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The new Prime Minister has denied suggestions that the appointment of Steve Backley, Fatima Whitbread and Tessa Sanderson to the three great offices of state indicates that he wants to throw the election.Verulamius said:According to BBC4 the home Secretary has resigned due to an unfortunate drink drive incident, the prime minister has also resigned and the party chairman has been elected unopposed as his successor with the help of a speech attacking the European Commission's proposals for abolishing the British Sausage!
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I'm surprised they've not nicked his mate taking the selfie for smoking indoors.Roger said:
Hieronymus Bosch?DecrepiterJohnL said:Photo of Swansea police arresting drunk man likened to Renaissance art
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/dec/24/photo-of-swansea-police-arresting-drunk-likened-to-renaissance-art1 -
Ukraine seem to have taken another step forward in the air war recently, downing a few more Russian jets that were operating in a way they were previously thought safe.MarqueeMark said:
Uhraine has moved to celebrating Christmas on the 25th, as a further move away from Russian Eastern Orthodoxy.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Whole area NOT big on celebrating on December 25, as Santa likely already knows.MarqueeMark said:Santa on a tricky run between Kyiv and Moscow.
Eek......
Something I learned as a little kid, living in area with large number of Eastern Orthodox neighbors.
(Santa seems to have safely negotiated his journey through the Russian air defences. "What air defence doing?")
Some rumour that a new Patriot system may have been deployed to the South.0 -
What's the collective noun for ex Tory Prime Ministers?Fairliered said:
The next Home Secretary should be Baron Johnson of Uxbridge, following his elevation in the New Year honours list. Then it will just be Ms May and Ms Truss to return to the cabinet.Roger said:
Nadine Dorries!MoonRabbit said:Cleverley to be sacked under cover of Christmas. This gaff isn’t a problem for Sunak, but a huge opportunity. Replacing Mr “Rwanda plan is bat shit crazy” with a right winger will bring back on board many who otherwise in the New Year would have caused him issues. What a gift wrapped opportunity to shore up a weakening flank. This is the reason Cleverley is now toast.
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It sounds like Church Bells on a happy morning ❤️ydoethur said:
Stanford's Prelude for Christmastide Op182MoonRabbit said:
What Stanford are you giving them? I like the Stanford symphonies.ydoethur said:
I'm doing Christmas Day, but not the Midnight. I'm going to give the three people who turn up at 9.30 some decent Stanford.El_Capitano said:Two carol services done (with our new vicar!). 6pm service was absolutely packed - standing room only. Midnight Mass and Christmas Day morning service still to do. Going to go for an easy final voluntary at midnight because I’m frankly wilting. Merry Christmas all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dgpmS0bwCw
https://youtu.be/WICWD3Mn9BE?si=quM2WC3z2uhiuKPb
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A Medusa Raftfull! 😆Roger said:
What's the collective noun for ex Tory Prime Ministers?Fairliered said:
The next Home Secretary should be Baron Johnson of Uxbridge, following his elevation in the New Year honours list. Then it will just be Ms May and Ms Truss to return to the cabinet.Roger said:
Nadine Dorries!MoonRabbit said:Cleverley to be sacked under cover of Christmas. This gaff isn’t a problem for Sunak, but a huge opportunity. Replacing Mr “Rwanda plan is bat shit crazy” with a right winger will bring back on board many who otherwise in the New Year would have caused him issues. What a gift wrapped opportunity to shore up a weakening flank. This is the reason Cleverley is now toast.
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I will have a picture of a lamb with me. And it was my idea to use 100th Psalm of Thanksgiving. Well they did ask for suggestions, and I got the idea from bees humming it.MoonRabbit said:
I’ve got a speaking part at midnight. 😇El_Capitano said:Two carol services done (with our new vicar!). 6pm service was absolutely packed - standing room only. Midnight Mass and Christmas Day morning service still to do. Going to go for an easy final voluntary at midnight because I’m frankly wilting. Merry Christmas all.
Before Jesus, in Old Testament, lambs were sacrificed for sins, then God gave baby Jesus to be killed like a lamb for our sins - so we could live forever, and lambs could be spared. So the birth of Jesus was good news for lambs I will say.
I feel so wide awake and on it tonight. But I have to log out for a while to do things I have to do and spend time with my family.
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Not “service” … “worthy accomplishment”.ydoethur said:
'He gave his life in service of his country:' wasn'tSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Harding did far more than his share of bloviation.ydoethur said:
Gosh.Jim_Miller said:A little more on that communtation: "Just before Christmas in 1921, [President Warren G.] Harding, a conservative and mild-mannered Republican, commuted the 10-year sentence of the Socialist [Eugene] Debs, who had been convicted of violating the Espionage Act of 1917. On Dec. 26, Harding welcomed Debs to the White House, eager to meet him before he returned to civilian life after being released from federal prison in Atlanta.
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Though most of his advisers and the first lady argued against the commutation, Harding believed that his use of the pardon power would help heal a divided nation after the deadliest war in world history and a flu pandemic that killed at least 675,000 Americans and tens of millions around the globe.
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On the same day he freed Debs, Harding commuted the sentences of 23 other political prisoners, activists and Industrial Workers of the World union members who spoke out against the war."
source$: https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2022/01/06/warren-harding-eugene-debs/
Hadn't the Communists suffered enough in prison without trying to make sense of Harding's garbled efforts at English?
However, he also coined "normalcy" which in the past century has gone from being regarded as mangling the English language, to (methinks) a perfectly respectable English word.
Speaking as one of the very few - perhaps only - PBer to have paid my person respects at the Tomb of Warren G. Harding.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harding_Tomb
"I DEEM it a privilege to join here in the dedication of the tomb of Warren G. Harding, 29th President of the United States. . . . He gave his life in worthy accomplishment for his country. He was a man of delicate sense of honor, of sympathetic heart, of transcendent gentleness of soul – who reached out for friendship, who gave of it loyally and generously in his every thought and deed. He was a man of passionate patriotism. He was a man of deep religious feeling. He was devoted to his fellow men. . . ." - Herbert Hoover, June 16, 1931
it a heart attack brought on by banging his secretary? Or am I misremembering that bit?
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Got to do some last minute cooking prep, so (for now) goodnight all.0
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Another 'Sliding Door' moment. My next door neighbour is the one member of the 'Sliding Door' threesome no one can remember!.DecrepiterJohnL said:‘Sliding door’: Man who questioned Thatcher as boy says it changed his life’s path
Ernest Owusu says encounter with Iron Lady on TV in 1980 gave him confidence to ascend class ladder
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/24/man-who-questioned-margeret-thatcher-as-boy
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Mele Kalikimaka!
From the land whose capital boast a Beretania Street.0 -
To be fair your post was in the category of “damning with faint praise”Pagan2 said:
That was not an angry riposte it was a sad riposte, I made a gesture of solidarity because I believe there is more that connects us than divides us whether left or right....i riposted against one person onlyLuckyguy1983 said:
Just as well you're not falling into the trap of issuing an angry riposte then.Pagan2 said:
shrugs it was a genuine sentiment, there are people that think differently and I disagree with. I was acknowleding still their views and mine didnt mean the came from a bad place, merely a different point of view of what is best.NeilVW said:
Just a jest. Merry Xmas, you’re not a particularly bad person. Just struck me as humourous, apologies.Pagan2 said:
Of course I can't make that expression without someone demeaning it with by being the random arsehole who wants to keep everyone divided
who questioned it. I think most here took it as meant
It was not a particularly bad effort…
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Not a noun but still fair comment: postremo primi ministrorumRoger said:
What's the collective noun for ex Tory Prime Ministers?Fairliered said:
The next Home Secretary should be Baron Johnson of Uxbridge, following his elevation in the New Year honours list. Then it will just be Ms May and Ms Truss to return to the cabinet.Roger said:
Nadine Dorries!MoonRabbit said:Cleverley to be sacked under cover of Christmas. This gaff isn’t a problem for Sunak, but a huge opportunity. Replacing Mr “Rwanda plan is bat shit crazy” with a right winger will bring back on board many who otherwise in the New Year would have caused him issues. What a gift wrapped opportunity to shore up a weakening flank. This is the reason Cleverley is now toast.
She'll shore up the loony tunes....
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An austerity of Tory ex PMsRoger said:
What's the collective noun for ex Tory Prime Ministers?Fairliered said:
The next Home Secretary should be Baron Johnson of Uxbridge, following his elevation in the New Year honours list. Then it will just be Ms May and Ms Truss to return to the cabinet.Roger said:
Nadine Dorries!MoonRabbit said:Cleverley to be sacked under cover of Christmas. This gaff isn’t a problem for Sunak, but a huge opportunity. Replacing Mr “Rwanda plan is bat shit crazy” with a right winger will bring back on board many who otherwise in the New Year would have caused him issues. What a gift wrapped opportunity to shore up a weakening flank. This is the reason Cleverley is now toast.
She'll shore up the loony tunes....
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Still got Mr Major to choose from, too. Presumably his omission is accidental!Fairliered said:
The next Home Secretary should be Baron Johnson of Uxbridge, following his elevation in the New Year honours list. Then it will just be Ms May and Ms Truss to return to the cabinet.Roger said:
Nadine Dorries!MoonRabbit said:Cleverley to be sacked under cover of Christmas. This gaff isn’t a problem for Sunak, but a huge opportunity. Replacing Mr “Rwanda plan is bat shit crazy” with a right winger will bring back on board many who otherwise in the New Year would have caused him issues. What a gift wrapped opportunity to shore up a weakening flank. This is the reason Cleverley is now toast.
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Well a 'knob' has alreadt been taken by geese so back to the drawing board......StillWaters said:
An austerity of Tory ex PMsRoger said:
What's the collective noun for ex Tory Prime Ministers?Fairliered said:
The next Home Secretary should be Baron Johnson of Uxbridge, following his elevation in the New Year honours list. Then it will just be Ms May and Ms Truss to return to the cabinet.Roger said:
Nadine Dorries!MoonRabbit said:Cleverley to be sacked under cover of Christmas. This gaff isn’t a problem for Sunak, but a huge opportunity. Replacing Mr “Rwanda plan is bat shit crazy” with a right winger will bring back on board many who otherwise in the New Year would have caused him issues. What a gift wrapped opportunity to shore up a weakening flank. This is the reason Cleverley is now toast.
She'll shore up the loony tunes....
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When he appoints Geoff Capes as Home Secretary - that's when we'll know it's finally over.williamglenn said:
The new Prime Minister has denied suggestions that the appointment of Steve Backley, Fatima Whitbread and Tessa Sanderson to the three great offices of state indicates that he wants to throw the election.Verulamius said:According to BBC4 the home Secretary has resigned due to an unfortunate drink drive incident, the prime minister has also resigned and the party chairman has been elected unopposed as his successor with the help of a speech attacking the European Commission's proposals for abolishing the British Sausage!
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Latin?SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Not a noun but still fair comment: postremo primi ministrorumRoger said:
What's the collective noun for ex Tory Prime Ministers?Fairliered said:
The next Home Secretary should be Baron Johnson of Uxbridge, following his elevation in the New Year honours list. Then it will just be Ms May and Ms Truss to return to the cabinet.Roger said:
Nadine Dorries!MoonRabbit said:Cleverley to be sacked under cover of Christmas. This gaff isn’t a problem for Sunak, but a huge opportunity. Replacing Mr “Rwanda plan is bat shit crazy” with a right winger will bring back on board many who otherwise in the New Year would have caused him issues. What a gift wrapped opportunity to shore up a weakening flank. This is the reason Cleverley is now toast.
She'll shore up the loony tunes....
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The World's Strongest Government.ohnotnow said:
When he appoints Geoff Capes as Home Secretary - that's when we'll know it's finally over.williamglenn said:
The new Prime Minister has denied suggestions that the appointment of Steve Backley, Fatima Whitbread and Tessa Sanderson to the three great offices of state indicates that he wants to throw the election.Verulamius said:According to BBC4 the home Secretary has resigned due to an unfortunate drink drive incident, the prime minister has also resigned and the party chairman has been elected unopposed as his successor with the help of a speech attacking the European Commission's proposals for abolishing the British Sausage!
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