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edited November 2023 in General
The voters back Sunak’s decision to sack Braverman including Tory voters – politicalbetting.com

Britons think Rishi Sunak was right rather than wrong to sack Suella Braverman as home secretaryRight to sack her: 57% (44% of Con 2019 voters)Wrong to sack her: 20% (39% of Con 2019 voters)https://t.co/TSo5qFluu6 pic.twitter.com/wzs8slzhJs

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,022
    First like the Tories at general election under Dave (pbuh).
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,389
    @lizziedearden

    It's been a big day for Home Office, which is saying goodbye to Suella Braverman for a second time, and hello to a new home secretary for the fourth time in 14 months

    Sources I spoke to are pretty happy, with one calling Braverman a "incompetent moron"
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,348
    edited November 2023
    Third.
    Like the Conservative Party if they get what they deserve.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,389
    @hoffman_noa

    ESTHER McVey has made a shock return to the Cabinet as Rishi Sunak's "common sense tsar" tasked with tackling the scourge of wokery, The Sun understands
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,348
    Scott_xP said:

    @hoffman_noa

    ESTHER McVey has made a shock return to the Cabinet as Rishi Sunak's "common sense tsar" tasked with tackling the scourge of wokery, The Sun understands

    Anyone describing owt in politics as "common sense" is a dead give away.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,389
    @cathynewman

    In other #reshuffle news a @UKLabour source tells me up to 17 frontbenchers expect to be sacked on Weds for backing @SNP on the #Gaza ceasefire vote. They say unless @Keir_Starmer uses the words “immediate ceasefire” they can’t vote with Labour and expect to be fired.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,822
    Hmmm. Cameron’s line on Greensill:

    "I think all those things were dealt with by the Treasury Select Committee and there were other inquiries at the time. As far as I’m concerned that was all dealt with and in the past”.

    LOL

    So that’s fine then. It’s in the past.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,574
    Scott_xP said:

    @cathynewman

    In other #reshuffle news a @UKLabour source tells me up to 17 frontbenchers expect to be sacked on Weds for backing @SNP on the #Gaza ceasefire vote. They say unless @Keir_Starmer uses the words “immediate ceasefire” they can’t vote with Labour and expect to be fired.

    Errrr..... what?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,574
    dixiedean said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @hoffman_noa

    ESTHER McVey has made a shock return to the Cabinet as Rishi Sunak's "common sense tsar" tasked with tackling the scourge of wokery, The Sun understands

    Anyone describing owt in politics as "common sense" is a dead give away.
    Common Sense Tsar is also intensely CRINGE
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,529
    So much for Leon’s dodgy Telegraph poll, no doubt comprising a handful of crusty pensioners repeatedly clicking on no.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,321
    Harold Wilson took a risk when he appointed Patrick Gordon Walker as Foreign Secretary in 1964, after he had lost his Smethwick seat at the General Election. The PM assumed that his appointee would return to The Commons after a by-election at Leyton in January 1965. His Conservative opponent won by 205 votes.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    edited November 2023
    Thanks to DougSeal re: reply to my question, had he every attended US sporting event?

    Turns out he's been to more big time games (at least IF you count the Ivy League as "big time") than yours truly!

    CORRECTION - University of Connecticut is NOT in the Ivy League (Harvard, Yale, etc.) and is indeed a big-time sports school.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    Scott_xP said:

    @hoffman_noa

    ESTHER McVey has made a shock return to the Cabinet as Rishi Sunak's "common sense tsar" tasked with tackling the scourge of wokery, The Sun understands

    :D:D

    Seriously? I thought she was long gone...

    It is about time that Sunak got rid of the odious Braverman. Bringing her back once she stood down is something that shows flaws in his judgement, but he must be well down the Barrel of Talent if he needs McVey and Cameron onboard.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,822
    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @cathynewman

    In other #reshuffle news a @UKLabour source tells me up to 17 frontbenchers expect to be sacked on Weds for backing @SNP on the #Gaza ceasefire vote. They say unless @Keir_Starmer uses the words “immediate ceasefire” they can’t vote with Labour and expect to be fired.

    Errrr..... what?
    Is Sunak about to have a bit of good luck? A divided Labour Party with a whiff of the ghost of Corbyn?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,022
    Scott_xP said:

    @lizziedearden

    It's been a big day for Home Office, which is saying goodbye to Suella Braverman for a second time, and hello to a new home secretary for the fourth time in 14 months

    Sources I spoke to are pretty happy, with one calling Braverman a "incompetent moron"

    I spoke to a Brexiteer who said Braverman is the worst, she combines ignorance and arrogance, which is a toxic mix.

    It is why I try and remain humble and modest.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,022
    IanB2 said:

    So much for Leon’s dodgy Telegraph poll, no doubt comprising a handful of crusty pensioners repeatedly clicking on no.

    Leon fails the IQ test for not realising voodoo polls are shit.

    Definitely the left hand side of the bell curve.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,271
    Leon said:

    dixiedean said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @hoffman_noa

    ESTHER McVey has made a shock return to the Cabinet as Rishi Sunak's "common sense tsar" tasked with tackling the scourge of wokery, The Sun understands

    Anyone describing owt in politics as "common sense" is a dead give away.
    Common Sense Tsar is also intensely CRINGE
    It’s not a joke is it? Using ‘Tsar’ in conjunction with what I’d guess is some sort of position to stop pretentious nonsense seems a bad decision
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,940
    isam said:

    Leon said:

    dixiedean said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @hoffman_noa

    ESTHER McVey has made a shock return to the Cabinet as Rishi Sunak's "common sense tsar" tasked with tackling the scourge of wokery, The Sun understands

    Anyone describing owt in politics as "common sense" is a dead give away.
    Common Sense Tsar is also intensely CRINGE
    It’s not a joke is it? Using ‘Tsar’ in conjunction with what I’d guess is some sort of position to stop pretentious nonsense seems a bad decision
    Tsar is foreign so it's probably to have someone for Cameron to talk to
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,009
    Emergency podcast news.

    The Rest is Politics had over 100,000 viewers.
    Political Currency... dunno but they also had one.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,574
    IanB2 said:

    So much for Leon’s dodgy Telegraph poll, no doubt comprising a handful of crusty pensioners repeatedly clicking on no.

    Hmm, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it entirely

    Yes it's voodoo, but its acrrued 93,000 votes, now, and it is running 63/37 in terms of disapprove/approve of the Braverman sacking

    Telegraph readers will be hardcore Tories: the activists and members. Sunak has clearly alienated a large chunk of the Tory right, and this is presumably why he has appointed a "Common Sense Tsar" (again: CRINGE) to lead the fight on the Woke and try and soothe the anger of the right

    Will it work? I am politely skeptical

  • TazTaz Posts: 19,971
    edited November 2023
    Deleted - just saw Scott posted it earlier
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,667
    edited November 2023
    My brain keeps trying to do limerick scanning in clerihews.

    Suella Suella went bezerky
    Voted like a Christmas turkey
    A braver man missed Kipling and Dickens
    But Rishi's down to Christmas chickens
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,574
    biggles said:

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @cathynewman

    In other #reshuffle news a @UKLabour source tells me up to 17 frontbenchers expect to be sacked on Weds for backing @SNP on the #Gaza ceasefire vote. They say unless @Keir_Starmer uses the words “immediate ceasefire” they can’t vote with Labour and expect to be fired.

    Errrr..... what?
    Is Sunak about to have a bit of good luck? A divided Labour Party with a whiff of the ghost of Corbyn?
    Why isn't this massive news? Sounds like 3/4 of the Labour shadow cabinet is about to quit?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,794
    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    Thanks to DougSeal re: reply to my question, had he every attended US sporting event?

    Turns out he's been to more big time games (at least IF you count the Ivy League as "big time") than yours truly!

    CORRECTION - University of Connecticut is NOT in the Ivy League (Harvard, Yale, etc.) and is indeed a big-time sports school.

    The UConn womens' basketball is big time, the football I'd describe as "medium time". The Yale/Harvard game is just fun TBH. Wish I could go this year but stuck in the UK.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,940
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Emergency podcast news.

    The Rest is Politics had over 100,000 viewers.
    Political Currency... dunno but they also had one.

    Poor Rory will be pissing himself that he didnt get the call
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,321
    Scott_xP said:

    @cathynewman

    In other #reshuffle news a @UKLabour source tells me up to 17 frontbenchers expect to be sacked on Weds for backing @SNP on the #Gaza ceasefire vote. They say unless @Keir_Starmer uses the words “immediate ceasefire” they can’t vote with Labour and expect to be fired.

    Starmer about to drain the swamp.

    Up to 17 frontbenchers trying to fcuk up a 20 point lead in the polls.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,218
    Scott_xP said:

    @cathynewman

    In other #reshuffle news a @UKLabour source tells me up to 17 frontbenchers expect to be sacked on Weds for backing @SNP on the #Gaza ceasefire vote. They say unless @Keir_Starmer uses the words “immediate ceasefire” they can’t vote with Labour and expect to be fired.

    Wow. Sir Keir would surely have to consider his position if that happened.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,275
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @cathynewman

    In other #reshuffle news a @UKLabour source tells me up to 17 frontbenchers expect to be sacked on Weds for backing @SNP on the #Gaza ceasefire vote. They say unless @Keir_Starmer uses the words “immediate ceasefire” they can’t vote with Labour and expect to be fired.

    Wow. Sir Keir would surely have to consider his position if that happened.
    I will believe it when I see it
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,389
    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @hoffman_noa

    ESTHER McVey has made a shock return to the Cabinet as Rishi Sunak's "common sense tsar" tasked with tackling the scourge of wokery, The Sun understands

    Department of Administrative Affairs?
    DoSAC surely
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,794
    Leon said:

    biggles said:

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @cathynewman

    In other #reshuffle news a @UKLabour source tells me up to 17 frontbenchers expect to be sacked on Weds for backing @SNP on the #Gaza ceasefire vote. They say unless @Keir_Starmer uses the words “immediate ceasefire” they can’t vote with Labour and expect to be fired.

    Errrr..... what?
    Is Sunak about to have a bit of good luck? A divided Labour Party with a whiff of the ghost of Corbyn?
    Why isn't this massive news? Sounds like 3/4 of the Labour shadow cabinet is about to quit?
    Read the post will you. They "expect to be fired".
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,418
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @cathynewman

    In other #reshuffle news a @UKLabour source tells me up to 17 frontbenchers expect to be sacked on Weds for backing @SNP on the #Gaza ceasefire vote. They say unless @Keir_Starmer uses the words “immediate ceasefire” they can’t vote with Labour and expect to be fired.

    Wow. Sir Keir would surely have to consider his position if that happened.
    Nah, not a chance. Bar the possible exception of Mahmood, the Shadow Cabinet support his position. These will mostly be whips/junior shadow ministers.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,822
    edited November 2023
    Leon said:

    biggles said:

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @cathynewman

    In other #reshuffle news a @UKLabour source tells me up to 17 frontbenchers expect to be sacked on Weds for backing @SNP on the #Gaza ceasefire vote. They say unless @Keir_Starmer uses the words “immediate ceasefire” they can’t vote with Labour and expect to be fired.

    Errrr..... what?
    Is Sunak about to have a bit of good luck? A divided Labour Party with a whiff of the ghost of Corbyn?
    Why isn't this massive news? Sounds like 3/4 of the Labour shadow cabinet is about to quit?
    If his backbenchers play ball, Sunak could run a “we’ve reunited and healed old wounds, just as Labour falls apart” line.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    edited November 2023
    dr_spyn said:

    Harold Wilson took a risk when he appointed Patrick Gordon Walker as Foreign Secretary in 1964, after he had lost his Smethwick seat at the General Election. The PM assumed that his appointee would return to The Commons after a by-election at Leyton in January 1965. His Conservative opponent won by 205 votes.

    With respect to peers in UK cabinets, believe that since Lord Salisbury's day, the post most often occupied by a lord instead of an MP, is Foreign Secretary?

    Which is, or was, a continuation of the tradition of aristocratic dominance of the UK Foreign Office, which was/is mirrored by US State Department, and for (much the) same reason - money, honey.

    ADDENDUM - Meant to also say, that for all his faults (the Stanley Baldwin of our times?) David Cameron strikes me as a good pick for Foreign Secretary. Certainly will be seen in that light (mostly) outside the UK.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    IanB2 said:

    So much for Leon’s dodgy Telegraph poll, no doubt comprising a handful of crusty pensioners repeatedly clicking on no.

    Leon fails the IQ test for not realising voodoo polls are shit.

    Definitely the left hand side of the bell curve.
    However, passes basic Spin Doctor qualification test.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,198
    So the majority of the public back Braverman's sacking, Sunak will hope having done that and brought Cameron back he will get a small poll boost as well as stabilise his government.

    However 20% of voters saying he was wrong to sack her gives a significant pool for ReformUK to fish in to attract rightwing Tory voters disillusioned with the direction of the Sunak government now
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,009
    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    So much for Leon’s dodgy Telegraph poll, no doubt comprising a handful of crusty pensioners repeatedly clicking on no.

    Hmm, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it entirely

    Yes it's voodoo, but its acrrued 93,000 votes, now, and it is running 63/37 in terms of disapprove/approve of the Braverman sacking

    Telegraph readers will be hardcore Tories: the activists and members. Sunak has clearly alienated a large chunk of the Tory right, and this is presumably why he has appointed a "Common Sense Tsar" (again: CRINGE) to lead the fight on the Woke and try and soothe the anger of the right

    Will it work? I am politely skeptical

    If you think in terms of Red Wall and Blue Wall seats, then presumably Cameron for Braverman is designed to shore up Blue Wall defences against the LibDems. Will anyone in the Red Wall even have heard of Esther McVey?

    If you think in terms of party management, Rishi does seem to be risking the wrath of the various self-appointed Whatsapp research groups, but it is hard to see what appeal there is for ambitious backbenchers. Maybe when we see all the junior appointments.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,198
    Scott_xP said:

    @cathynewman

    In other #reshuffle news a @UKLabour source tells me up to 17 frontbenchers expect to be sacked on Weds for backing @SNP on the #Gaza ceasefire vote. They say unless @Keir_Starmer uses the words “immediate ceasefire” they can’t vote with Labour and expect to be fired.

    Looks like Starmer is having as many problems with rebellious leftwing Shadow Ministers and backbenchers as Sunak has had with the populist right in his Cabinet and the ERG on his backbenches
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,784
    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    So much for Leon’s dodgy Telegraph poll, no doubt comprising a handful of crusty pensioners repeatedly clicking on no.

    Hmm, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it entirely

    Yes it's voodoo, but its acrrued 93,000 votes, now, and it is running 63/37 in terms of disapprove/approve of the Braverman sacking

    Telegraph readers will be hardcore Tories: the activists and members. Sunak has clearly alienated a large chunk of the Tory right, and this is presumably why he has appointed a "Common Sense Tsar" (again: CRINGE) to lead the fight on the Woke and try and soothe the anger of the right

    Will it work? I am politely skeptical

    Yes, I think it should be taken as being reasonably representative of Telegraph readers. When conducting the poll, the Telegraph weren't obviously trying to lead the response in one direction or the other.

    If 2019 Conservative voters back the decision to sack her by only a very marginal 44% to 39%, remember that only about half of those still say that they would vote Conservative in an election tomorrow. So I would then expect the hard core who were still standing by the Tories in 2023 to be against the decision. And so I would expect the opinion amongst party members and the likes of Telegraph readers to be much more firmly against.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,389
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Leon said:

    dixiedean said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @hoffman_noa

    ESTHER McVey has made a shock return to the Cabinet as Rishi Sunak's "common sense tsar" tasked with tackling the scourge of wokery, The Sun understands

    Anyone describing owt in politics as "common sense" is a dead give away.
    Common Sense Tsar is also intensely CRINGE
    "Wokefinder General" is better on so many levels.
    Wokesmeller Pursuivant
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,703
    biggles said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    dixiedean said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @hoffman_noa

    ESTHER McVey has made a shock return to the Cabinet as Rishi Sunak's "common sense tsar" tasked with tackling the scourge of wokery, The Sun understands

    Anyone describing owt in politics as "common sense" is a dead give away.
    Common Sense Tsar is also intensely CRINGE
    It’s not a joke is it? Using ‘Tsar’ in conjunction with what I’d guess is some sort of position to stop pretentious nonsense seems a bad decision
    If she is anti-woke, shouldn’t she be a Tsarina?
    Very good.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,782
    Scott_xP said:

    @hoffman_noa

    ESTHER McVey has made a shock return to the Cabinet as Rishi Sunak's "common sense tsar" tasked with tackling the scourge of wokery, The Sun understands

    She's not unattractive. I was visiting someone in Knutsford in Cheshire and walking down the main street in blustery rain i mistook her for a model I knew. Quite stylishly dressed
    as well
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,574
    Esther McVey
    Once went away
    Now she is back, in a political thriller
    Let's hope her necklace implies "vanilla"
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,379
    edited November 2023
    Scott_xP said:

    @hoffman_noa

    ESTHER McVey has made a shock return to the Cabinet as Rishi Sunak's "common sense tsar" tasked with tackling the scourge of wokery, The Sun understands

    The word "tsar" is overused. Could she not be given the title "Wokefinder General"?

    EDIT: I see the joke has been made. Apologies for lack of originality.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,009
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @cathynewman

    In other #reshuffle news a @UKLabour source tells me up to 17 frontbenchers expect to be sacked on Weds for backing @SNP on the #Gaza ceasefire vote. They say unless @Keir_Starmer uses the words “immediate ceasefire” they can’t vote with Labour and expect to be fired.

    Looks like Starmer is having as many problems with rebellious leftwing Shadow Ministers and backbenchers as Sunak has had with the populist right in his Cabinet and the ERG on his backbenches
    No, it is worse for Starmer because it is completely pointless. No-one in Israel or Gaza will even notice how two opposition parties vote. For them we are a small country far away of which they know little.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Wulfrun_Phil said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    So much for Leon’s dodgy Telegraph poll, no doubt comprising a handful of crusty pensioners repeatedly clicking on no.

    Hmm, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it entirely

    Yes it's voodoo, but its acrrued 93,000 votes, now, and it is running 63/37 in terms of disapprove/approve of the Braverman sacking

    Telegraph readers will be hardcore Tories: the activists and members. Sunak has clearly alienated a large chunk of the Tory right, and this is presumably why he has appointed a "Common Sense Tsar" (again: CRINGE) to lead the fight on the Woke and try and soothe the anger of the right

    Will it work? I am politely skeptical

    Yes, I think it should be taken as being reasonably representative of Telegraph readers. When conducting the poll, the Telegraph weren't obviously trying to lead the response in one direction or the other.

    If 2019 Conservative voters back the decision to sack her by only a very marginal 44% to 39%, remember that only about half of those still say that they would vote Conservative in an election tomorrow. So I would then expect the hard core who were still standing by the Tories in 2023 to be against the decision. And so I would expect the opinion amongst party members and the likes of Telegraph readers to be much more firmly against.
    "When conducting the poll, the Telegraph weren't obviously trying to lead the response in one direction or the other."

    What was the exact wording of the question? (Not being Telegraph subscriber.)

    AND also what was the tenor of the article(s) that accompanied this reader survey?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,022
    I don't wish to cause alarm, but it looks like I am editing PB for the next few days.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    HYUFD said:

    So the majority of the public back Braverman's sacking, Sunak will hope having done that and brought Cameron back he will get a small poll boost as well as stabilise his government.

    However 20% of voters saying he was wrong to sack her gives a significant pool for ReformUK to fish in to attract rightwing Tory voters disillusioned with the direction of the Sunak government now

    If you had any sense you would let the fascist supporters head off to RefUK and start cleaning the extremists out of your own party and make them back into a serious political party again.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,838
    Leon said:

    biggles said:

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @cathynewman

    In other #reshuffle news a @UKLabour source tells me up to 17 frontbenchers expect to be sacked on Weds for backing @SNP on the #Gaza ceasefire vote. They say unless @Keir_Starmer uses the words “immediate ceasefire” they can’t vote with Labour and expect to be fired.

    Errrr..... what?
    Is Sunak about to have a bit of good luck? A divided Labour Party with a whiff of the ghost of Corbyn?
    Why isn't this massive news? Sounds like 3/4 of the Labour shadow cabinet is about to quit?
    Front bench != cabinet.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,667
    edited November 2023
    dr_spyn said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @cathynewman

    In other #reshuffle news a @UKLabour source tells me up to 17 frontbenchers expect to be sacked on Weds for backing @SNP on the #Gaza ceasefire vote. They say unless @Keir_Starmer uses the words “immediate ceasefire” they can’t vote with Labour and expect to be fired.

    Starmer about to drain the swamp.

    Up to 17 frontbenchers trying to fcuk up a 20 point lead in the polls.
    Sir Keir
    Tried to steer
    Around history
    But inconsistently
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,076
    Leon said:

    biggles said:

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @cathynewman

    In other #reshuffle news a @UKLabour source tells me up to 17 frontbenchers expect to be sacked on Weds for backing @SNP on the #Gaza ceasefire vote. They say unless @Keir_Starmer uses the words “immediate ceasefire” they can’t vote with Labour and expect to be fired.

    Errrr..... what?
    Is Sunak about to have a bit of good luck? A divided Labour Party with a whiff of the ghost of Corbyn?
    Why isn't this massive news? Sounds like 3/4 of the Labour shadow cabinet is about to quit?
    Frontbench is a lot more than the shadow cabinet.

  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,009
    Alanbrooke said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Emergency podcast news.

    The Rest is Politics had over 100,000 viewers.
    Political Currency... dunno but they also had one.

    Poor Rory will be pissing himself that he didnt get the call
    Rory's theory is that Rishi wanted William Hague, who turned it down and then helped recruit Cameron. Rory was not very complimentary about Cameron's grasp of foreign policy.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,822
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Emergency podcast news.

    The Rest is Politics had over 100,000 viewers.
    Political Currency... dunno but they also had one.

    Poor Rory will be pissing himself that he didnt get the call
    Rory's theory is that Rishi wanted William Hague, who turned it down and then helped recruit Cameron. Rory was not very complimentary about Cameron's grasp of foreign policy.
    To be fair that’s not a prerequisite for the role. There are one or two advisers to help you, and much though I think it’s a silly appointment in light of Greensill, his access to foreign capitals, and credibility with their leaders, will be high.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,782
    edited November 2023
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @cathynewman

    In other #reshuffle news a @UKLabour source tells me up to 17 frontbenchers expect to be sacked on Weds for backing @SNP on the #Gaza ceasefire vote. They say unless @Keir_Starmer uses the words “immediate ceasefire” they can’t vote with Labour and expect to be fired.

    Wow. Sir Keir would surely have to consider his position if that happened.
    Well If Cameron repeats his line 'Gaza is the worlds largest open air prison' they might feel they have a welcoming new home. Starmer is closer to Suella than many of us feel comfortable with
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,341
    Roger said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @hoffman_noa

    ESTHER McVey has made a shock return to the Cabinet as Rishi Sunak's "common sense tsar" tasked with tackling the scourge of wokery, The Sun understands

    She's not unattractive. I was visiting someone in Knutsford in Cheshire and walking down the main street in blustery rain i mistook her for a model I knew. Quite stylishly dressed
    as well
    McVey
    The fit one
    Stocky has spoken
    Pecker’s awoken
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,677
    Roger said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @hoffman_noa

    ESTHER McVey has made a shock return to the Cabinet as Rishi Sunak's "common sense tsar" tasked with tackling the scourge of wokery, The Sun understands

    She's not unattractive. I was visiting someone in Knutsford in Cheshire and walking down the main street in blustery rain i mistook her for a model I knew. Quite stylishly dressed
    as well
    Peak Roger.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,009
    biggles said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Emergency podcast news.

    The Rest is Politics had over 100,000 viewers.
    Political Currency... dunno but they also had one.

    Poor Rory will be pissing himself that he didnt get the call
    Rory's theory is that Rishi wanted William Hague, who turned it down and then helped recruit Cameron. Rory was not very complimentary about Cameron's grasp of foreign policy.
    To be fair that’s not a prerequisite for the role. There are one or two advisers to help you, and much though I think it’s a silly appointment in light of Greensill, his access to foreign capitals, and credibility with their leaders, will be high.
    Yes, as a former Prime Minister, Cameron is likely to have better access to top leaders, especially the ones he already knows. Is Greensill done and dusted or are they still looking in Australia?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,198
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Emergency podcast news.

    The Rest is Politics had over 100,000 viewers.
    Political Currency... dunno but they also had one.

    Poor Rory will be pissing himself that he didnt get the call
    Rory's theory is that Rishi wanted William Hague, who turned it down and then helped recruit Cameron. Rory was not very complimentary about Cameron's grasp of foreign policy.
    Hague has already been Foreign Secretary anyway, when Cameron was PM
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,668
    Leon said:

    dixiedean said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @hoffman_noa

    ESTHER McVey has made a shock return to the Cabinet as Rishi Sunak's "common sense tsar" tasked with tackling the scourge of wokery, The Sun understands

    Anyone describing owt in politics as "common sense" is a dead give away.
    Common Sense Tsar is also intensely CRINGE
    Quite traditional, though.
    ‘Defence’ is responsible for war: Health for sickness; the Treasury for debt.
    McVey and ‘Common Sense’ are thus a perfect match.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,348
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    biggles said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Emergency podcast news.

    The Rest is Politics had over 100,000 viewers.
    Political Currency... dunno but they also had one.

    Poor Rory will be pissing himself that he didnt get the call
    Rory's theory is that Rishi wanted William Hague, who turned it down and then helped recruit Cameron. Rory was not very complimentary about Cameron's grasp of foreign policy.
    To be fair that’s not a prerequisite for the role. There are one or two advisers to help you, and much though I think it’s a silly appointment in light of Greensill, his access to foreign capitals, and credibility with their leaders, will be high.
    Yes, as a former Prime Minister, Cameron is likely to have better access to top leaders, especially the ones he already knows. Is Greensill done and dusted or are they still looking in Australia?
    How many of those are still around?
  • AlistairMAlistairM Posts: 2,005
    SirNorfolkPassmore said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @hoffman_noa

    ESTHER McVey has made a shock return to the Cabinet as Rishi Sunak's "common sense tsar" tasked with tackling the scourge of wokery, The Sun understands

    The word "tsar" is overused. Could she not be given the title "Wokefinder General"?

    EDIT: I see the joke has been made. Apologies for lack of originality.
    Why is is "tsar" anyway? Why not, for example, "kaiser"?
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,822
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    biggles said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Emergency podcast news.

    The Rest is Politics had over 100,000 viewers.
    Political Currency... dunno but they also had one.

    Poor Rory will be pissing himself that he didnt get the call
    Rory's theory is that Rishi wanted William Hague, who turned it down and then helped recruit Cameron. Rory was not very complimentary about Cameron's grasp of foreign policy.
    To be fair that’s not a prerequisite for the role. There are one or two advisers to help you, and much though I think it’s a silly appointment in light of Greensill, his access to foreign capitals, and credibility with their leaders, will be high.
    Yes, as a former Prime Minister, Cameron is likely to have better access to top leaders, especially the ones he already knows. Is Greensill done and dusted or are they still looking in Australia?
    Well it’s bound to come up at the Covid Inquiry.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,198
    Beibheirli_C said:

    HYUFD said:

    So the majority of the public back Braverman's sacking, Sunak will hope having done that and brought Cameron back he will get a small poll boost as well as stabilise his government.

    However 20% of voters saying he was wrong to sack her gives a significant pool for ReformUK to fish in to attract rightwing Tory voters disillusioned with the direction of the Sunak government now

    If you had any sense you would let the fascist supporters head off to RefUK and start cleaning the extremists out of your own party and make them back into a serious political party again.
    The problem is unless centrist swing voters come back from Starmer Labour and the LDs after today's shift back to Cameronism from Sunak, without voters on the right voting Tory but voting RefUK instead that just means even more Tory seats will be lost
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,574
    Sir Kir "Royale" Starmer
    Looks like a farmer
    So he wore shades on a foreign trip to Israel to allay that impression, and he was
    Eyeless, in Gaza




  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,574
    OK I really will stop now. I am annoying myself. It's like a fricking tune stuck in your head
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,065
    Leon said:

    biggles said:

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @cathynewman

    In other #reshuffle news a @UKLabour source tells me up to 17 frontbenchers expect to be sacked on Weds for backing @SNP on the #Gaza ceasefire vote. They say unless @Keir_Starmer uses the words “immediate ceasefire” they can’t vote with Labour and expect to be fired.

    Errrr..... what?
    Is Sunak about to have a bit of good luck? A divided Labour Party with a whiff of the ghost of Corbyn?
    Why isn't this massive news? Sounds like 3/4 of the Labour shadow cabinet is about to quit?
    It's to give people time to back NOM at a decent price. All this hoohah + Cameron being back makes it a tricky week for Starmer.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,668
    Leon said:

    Esther McVey
    Once went away
    Now she is back, in a political thriller
    Let's hope her necklace implies "vanilla"

    Now she’s back, not as a cabinet 800lb gorilla,
    But political polyfiller.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,389
    @andreajenkyns

    Enough is enough, I have submitted my vote of no confidence letter to the Chairman of the 1922. It is time for Rishi Sunak to go and replace him with a 'real' Conservative party leader.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,733
    AlistairM said:

    SirNorfolkPassmore said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @hoffman_noa

    ESTHER McVey has made a shock return to the Cabinet as Rishi Sunak's "common sense tsar" tasked with tackling the scourge of wokery, The Sun understands

    The word "tsar" is overused. Could she not be given the title "Wokefinder General"?

    EDIT: I see the joke has been made. Apologies for lack of originality.
    Why is is "tsar" anyway? Why not, for example, "kaiser"?
    Or "Emir"?
    Or "Shah"?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,574
    AlistairM said:

    SirNorfolkPassmore said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @hoffman_noa

    ESTHER McVey has made a shock return to the Cabinet as Rishi Sunak's "common sense tsar" tasked with tackling the scourge of wokery, The Sun understands

    The word "tsar" is overused. Could she not be given the title "Wokefinder General"?

    EDIT: I see the joke has been made. Apologies for lack of originality.
    Why is is "tsar" anyway? Why not, for example, "kaiser"?
    She should be called "The Fuck Around and Find Out Fuhrer", that's catchier
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,022
    Scott_xP said:

    @andreajenkyns

    Enough is enough, I have submitted my vote of no confidence letter to the Chairman of the 1922. It is time for Rishi Sunak to go and replace him with a 'real' Conservative party leader.

    I am so going to hell for helping Andrea Jenkyns get elected.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,574
    Cookie said:

    AlistairM said:

    SirNorfolkPassmore said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @hoffman_noa

    ESTHER McVey has made a shock return to the Cabinet as Rishi Sunak's "common sense tsar" tasked with tackling the scourge of wokery, The Sun understands

    The word "tsar" is overused. Could she not be given the title "Wokefinder General"?

    EDIT: I see the joke has been made. Apologies for lack of originality.
    Why is is "tsar" anyway? Why not, for example, "kaiser"?
    Or "Emir"?
    Or "Shah"?
    The "Don't Be Stupid Duce"
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,076
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @andreajenkyns

    Enough is enough, I have submitted my vote of no confidence letter to the Chairman of the 1922. It is time for Rishi Sunak to go and replace him with a 'real' Conservative party leader.

    I am so going to hell for helping Andrea Jenkyns get elected.
    I dont think Brady's postman's back is going to be under too much strain this week.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,358
    Alphabet_Soup said:

    Roger said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @hoffman_noa

    ESTHER McVey has made a shock return to the Cabinet as Rishi Sunak's "common sense tsar" tasked with tackling the scourge of wokery, The Sun understands

    She's not unattractive. I was visiting someone in Knutsford in Cheshire and walking down the main street in blustery rain i mistook her for a model I knew. Quite stylishly dressed
    as well
    Peak Roger.
    Nah, but a decent effort from rogerdamus
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,273
    Utterly shocked to hear Cameron is back in Politics. I remember a few years back there was talk of him looking to get back into Politics but never thought it would happen.

    Overall a fan of his tenure as PM even as someone who voted remain (I was never a die hard remainder, but thought it would be better to stay in than leave).
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,668
    Massive crack emitting steam.
    https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1724106414115950756

    Not sure I’d go that close to it.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,742
    FPT

    Re Cameron and the Lords.

    Remove the really weird rule, presumably dating from the 11th century or somesuch, that no Lord is allowed to speak on the floor of the Commons.

    Allow Lords to speak and take questions from the Commons. And while you’re at it you could allow members of the Commons to take questions in the Lords.

    No real reason I can see why that isn’t allowed, other than archaic tradition.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,733
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    biggles said:

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @cathynewman

    In other #reshuffle news a @UKLabour source tells me up to 17 frontbenchers expect to be sacked on Weds for backing @SNP on the #Gaza ceasefire vote. They say unless @Keir_Starmer uses the words “immediate ceasefire” they can’t vote with Labour and expect to be fired.

    Errrr..... what?
    Is Sunak about to have a bit of good luck? A divided Labour Party with a whiff of the ghost of Corbyn?
    Why isn't this massive news? Sounds like 3/4 of the Labour shadow cabinet is about to quit?
    Front bench != cabinet.
    RCS One Hundred
    Blundered
    Actually as far as I can recall that's not been true at any time
    But he has a handle that's terrbily difficult to find something to rhyme
    With.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,742
    Scott_xP said:

    @andreajenkyns

    Enough is enough, I have submitted my vote of no confidence letter to the Chairman of the 1922. It is time for Rishi Sunak to go and replace him with a 'real' Conservative party leader.

    Andrea Jenkyns is basically our version of Marjorie Taylor Greene.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,364
    Nigelb said:

    Massive crack emitting steam.
    https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1724106414115950756

    Not sure I’d go that close to it.

    I've been following a good YouTube channel on this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Cj1roa856Q
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Scott_xP said:

    @lizziedearden

    It's been a big day for Home Office, which is saying goodbye to Suella Braverman for a second time, and hello to a new home secretary for the fourth time in 14 months

    Sources I spoke to are pretty happy, with one calling Braverman a "incompetent moron"

    LOL
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,874
    Mad world lol
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,782
    I quite like Cameron. He shows up his colleagues for the minnows they are. Starmer and Sunak too I'm afraid. If he could get Steve Hilton back on board it would be game on.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,690
    edited November 2023
    Nigelb said:

    Massive crack emitting steam.
    https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1724106414115950756

    Not sure I’d go that close to it.

    Did you see the photos of the golf course the other day? Now *that's* a hazard.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,655
    Fascinating leaflet received from David Duguid. Its Green. And only says the word "Conservative" in the imprint.

    Someone is scared of the negative power of the c-word...
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,655
    Nigelb said:

    Massive crack emitting steam.
    https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1724106414115950756

    Not sure I’d go that close to it.

    Suella Braverman?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,690
    AlistairM said:

    SirNorfolkPassmore said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @hoffman_noa

    ESTHER McVey has made a shock return to the Cabinet as Rishi Sunak's "common sense tsar" tasked with tackling the scourge of wokery, The Sun understands

    The word "tsar" is overused. Could she not be given the title "Wokefinder General"?

    EDIT: I see the joke has been made. Apologies for lack of originality.
    Why is is "tsar" anyway? Why not, for example, "kaiser"?
    Same word. All variants of Caesar.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    IanB2 said:

    So much for Leon’s dodgy Telegraph poll, no doubt comprising a handful of crusty pensioners repeatedly clicking on no.

    Leon fails the IQ test for not realising voodoo polls are shit.

    Definitely the left hand side of the bell curve.
    He’ll be Scottish subsampling next, the rotter.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,358
    AlistairM said:

    SirNorfolkPassmore said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @hoffman_noa

    ESTHER McVey has made a shock return to the Cabinet as Rishi Sunak's "common sense tsar" tasked with tackling the scourge of wokery, The Sun understands

    The word "tsar" is overused. Could she not be given the title "Wokefinder General"?

    EDIT: I see the joke has been made. Apologies for lack of originality.
    Why is is "tsar" anyway? Why not, for example, "kaiser"?
    Because the role is to be a reactionary autocrat, with thuggish backing, later deposed by her own people.

    So Tsar fits perfectly.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,198
    jonny83 said:

    Utterly shocked to hear Cameron is back in Politics. I remember a few years back there was talk of him looking to get back into Politics but never thought it would happen.

    Overall a fan of his tenure as PM even as someone who voted remain (I was never a die hard remainder, but thought it would be better to stay in than leave).

    Cameron of course effectively led the Remain campaign anyway so not that surprising
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,690
    RochdalePioneers said:

    Fascinating leaflet received from David Duguid. Its Green. And only says the word "Conservative" in the imprint.

    Someone is scared of the negative power of the c-word...

    And no Ruth Davidson to invoke this time.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Believe that use - or rather abuse - of Czar (or as UKers seem to prefer, Tsar) stems from the dystopian hell of American government.

    Excerpts from wiki:

    Czar, sometimes spelled tsar, is an informal title used for certain high-level officials in the United States and United Kingdom, typically granted broad power to address a particular issue.

    > In the United States, czars are generally executive branch officials appointed by the head of the executive branch (such as the president for the federal government, or the governor of a state). Some czars may require confirmation with Senate approval or not. Some appointees outside the executive branch are called czars as well. Specific instances of the term are often a media creation.

    > In the United Kingdom, the term is more loosely used to refer to high-profile appointments who devote their skills to one particular area.

    > During the tenure of [early 20th-century US House Speaker] Joseph Gurney Cannon, he was sometimes referred to as Czar Cannon . . .

    > During the latter stages of World War I, President Woodrow Wilson appointed financier Bernard Baruch to run the War Industries Board. This position was sometimes dubbed the "industry czar".

    > In the United States, the term czar has been used by the media to refer to appointed executive branch officials since at least the 1930s and then the 1940s under President Franklin D. Roosevelt.

    & etc., etc., etc.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czar_(political_term)

    SSI - editorial comment: this is one of the most wretchedly written wiki articles I have ever encountered.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,250
    AlistairM said:

    SirNorfolkPassmore said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @hoffman_noa

    ESTHER McVey has made a shock return to the Cabinet as Rishi Sunak's "common sense tsar" tasked with tackling the scourge of wokery, The Sun understands

    The word "tsar" is overused. Could she not be given the title "Wokefinder General"?

    EDIT: I see the joke has been made. Apologies for lack of originality.
    Why is is "tsar" anyway? Why not, for example, "kaiser"?
    Or “Fuhrer.”
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