Following from the last thread, apparently Nige is going on that stupid I'm a Celeb show. I am sure the producers and the public will have lots of fun making him eat Kangaroo bollocks and all that nonsense. Not exactly what a potential leader of a political party does.
Following from the last thread, apparently Nige is going on that stupid I'm a Celeb show. I am sure the producers and the public will have lots of fun making him eat Kangaroo bollocks and all that nonsense. Not exactly what a potential leader of a political party does.
Are you sure he will cope? He is more used to talking sh*t than eating it....
A complete pack of lies from the BBC. You'd never even know there was violence on the pro-Palestinian side
"Police estimate 300,000 pro-Palestinian protesters calling for a Gaza ceasefire have marched in central London, in the biggest UK rally since the Israel-Gaza war began
More than 100 counter-protesters have been arrested including a large number in Pimlico, near the protest route, the Met Police says
Officers earlier faced aggression from some of the counter-protesters - who include some far-right groups - near the Cenotaph war memorial, police say
Video shows counter-protesters shoving police officers and chanting: "You're not English anymore"
Rishi Sunak says criminality disrespects the armed forces - as he condemns violent scenes
The PM condemned "EDL thugs" for attacking police officers and also protesters "singing antisemitic chants"
Met Police say nine officers were injured – two of them needing hospital treatment for a broken elbow and dislocated hip
At 11:00, hundreds of people gathered at the Cenotaph to observe two minutes of silence and commemorate the UK's war dead"
Following from the last thread, apparently Nige is going on that stupid I'm a Celeb show. I am sure the producers and the public will have lots of fun making him eat Kangaroo bollocks and all that nonsense. Not exactly what a potential leader of a political party does.
Farage is a general 10 or 12/1 shot which might be value if he is as popular as GB News thinks he is. I've never watched the show so have no idea what he'd have to do in order to win.
Leon - anything incorrect or just selective reporting that you are complaining about?
Deeply selective reporting
No mention that the pro-Palestinians were shooting fireworks at the faces of the cops, by the end
No mention of the attempted stabbings, the menacing gangs, the mobbing of Gove, the cars driving around full of people shouting at Jews
That is the summary from the Live page. If we look instead at the BBC's main story, it does mention Gove (with video), the PM condemning both sides, and the police issuing three pictures of pro-Palestine marchers they want to identify. It says there have been 188 hate crime arrests, most for antisemitic offences, since 7th October. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67390514
Leon - anything incorrect or just selective reporting that you are complaining about?
Deeply selective reporting
No mention that the pro-Palestinians were shooting fireworks at the faces of the cops, by the end
No mention of the attempted stabbings, the menacing gangs, the mobbing of Gove, the cars driving around full of people shouting at Jews
That is the summary from the Live page. If we look instead at the BBC's main story, it does mention Gove (with video), the PM condemning both sides, and the police issuing three pictures of pro-Palestine marchers they want to identify. It says there have been 188 hate crime arrests, most for antisemitic offences, since 7th October. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67390514
The only real complaint I can see about the BBC Live reporting Leon complains about is that this refers to a splinter group of pro-Palestine marchers but that is not mentioned in the summary: Officers also intercepted a group of 150. Arrests were made after some of the fireworks struck officers in the face
However scrolling down finds a fuller account which is:- Arrests made after officers struck by fireworks - police Earlier we reported that officers detained a breakaway group of about 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration.
The statement from the assistant commissioner says the group of 150 were "wearing face coverings and firing fireworks".
He says "arrests were made" after some officers were struck in the face with fireworks.
His statement adds that the Met will be publishing images people suspected to have committed offences, such as showing support for UK proscribed terrorist organisations, including Hamas.
And earlier than that, where it becomes clear the BBC reporters did not see this first-hand:-
We've had another update from the Metropolitan Police to say that officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration.
The group in Grosvenor Place in Belgravia were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings, the force says in a post on X, formerly Twitter.
Officers are detaining and searching those involved under Section 60 and 60AA powers, the Met adds.
The Met is using the word detained in its statement, but this may not be the same as being arrested. BBC News is asking the Met for more information.
Tory minister Johnny Mercer told to stop spending taxpayers' cash on vanity photos The Veterans minister has claimed hundreds of pounds on expenses for 20 snaps of himself taken by photo agencies, which he’s used on his website and on campaign leaflets https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-minister-johnny-mercer-told-31415687
Leon - anything incorrect or just selective reporting that you are complaining about?
Deeply selective reporting
No mention that the pro-Palestinians were shooting fireworks at the faces of the cops, by the end
No mention of the attempted stabbings, the menacing gangs, the mobbing of Gove, the cars driving around full of people shouting at Jews
That is the summary from the Live page. If we look instead at the BBC's main story, it does mention Gove (with video), the PM condemning both sides, and the police issuing three pictures of pro-Palestine marchers they want to identify. It says there have been 188 hate crime arrests, most for antisemitic offences, since 7th October. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67390514
The only real complaint I can see about the BBC Live reporting Leon complains about is that this refers to a splinter group of pro-Palestine marchers but that is not mentioned in the summary: Officers also intercepted a group of 150. Arrests were made after some of the fireworks struck officers in the face
However scrolling down finds a fuller account which is:- Arrests made after officers struck by fireworks - police Earlier we reported that officers detained a breakaway group of about 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration.
The statement from the assistant commissioner says the group of 150 were "wearing face coverings and firing fireworks".
He says "arrests were made" after some officers were struck in the face with fireworks.
His statement adds that the Met will be publishing images people suspected to have committed offences, such as showing support for UK proscribed terrorist organisations, including Hamas.
And earlier than that, where it becomes clear the BBC reporters did not see this first-hand:-
We've had another update from the Metropolitan Police to say that officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration.
The group in Grosvenor Place in Belgravia were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings, the force says in a post on X, formerly Twitter.
Officers are detaining and searching those involved under Section 60 and 60AA powers, the Met adds.
The Met is using the word detained in its statement, but this may not be the same as being arrested. BBC News is asking the Met for more information.
Leon - anything incorrect or just selective reporting that you are complaining about?
Deeply selective reporting
No mention that the pro-Palestinians were shooting fireworks at the faces of the cops, by the end
No mention of the attempted stabbings, the menacing gangs, the mobbing of Gove, the cars driving around full of people shouting at Jews
That is the summary from the Live page. If we look instead at the BBC's main story, it does mention Gove (with video), the PM condemning both sides, and the police issuing three pictures of pro-Palestine marchers they want to identify. It says there have been 188 hate crime arrests, most for antisemitic offences, since 7th October. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67390514
The only real complaint I can see about the BBC Live reporting Leon complains about is that this refers to a splinter group of pro-Palestine marchers but that is not mentioned in the summary: Officers also intercepted a group of 150. Arrests were made after some of the fireworks struck officers in the face
However scrolling down finds a fuller account which is:- Arrests made after officers struck by fireworks - police Earlier we reported that officers detained a breakaway group of about 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration.
The statement from the assistant commissioner says the group of 150 were "wearing face coverings and firing fireworks".
He says "arrests were made" after some officers were struck in the face with fireworks.
His statement adds that the Met will be publishing images people suspected to have committed offences, such as showing support for UK proscribed terrorist organisations, including Hamas.
And earlier than that, where it becomes clear the BBC reporters did not see this first-hand:-
We've had another update from the Metropolitan Police to say that officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration.
The group in Grosvenor Place in Belgravia were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings, the force says in a post on X, formerly Twitter.
Officers are detaining and searching those involved under Section 60 and 60AA powers, the Met adds.
The Met is using the word detained in its statement, but this may not be the same as being arrested. BBC News is asking the Met for more information.
Many people on both sides made up their minds on what was going to happen before the march took place, and feel no reason to allow events to alter their views.
Leon - anything incorrect or just selective reporting that you are complaining about?
Deeply selective reporting
No mention that the pro-Palestinians were shooting fireworks at the faces of the cops, by the end
No mention of the attempted stabbings, the menacing gangs, the mobbing of Gove, the cars driving around full of people shouting at Jews
That is the summary from the Live page. If we look instead at the BBC's main story, it does mention Gove (with video), the PM condemning both sides, and the police issuing three pictures of pro-Palestine marchers they want to identify. It says there have been 188 hate crime arrests, most for antisemitic offences, since 7th October. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67390514
The only real complaint I can see about the BBC Live reporting Leon complains about is that this refers to a splinter group of pro-Palestine marchers but that is not mentioned in the summary: Officers also intercepted a group of 150. Arrests were made after some of the fireworks struck officers in the face
However scrolling down finds a fuller account which is:- Arrests made after officers struck by fireworks - police Earlier we reported that officers detained a breakaway group of about 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration.
The statement from the assistant commissioner says the group of 150 were "wearing face coverings and firing fireworks".
He says "arrests were made" after some officers were struck in the face with fireworks.
His statement adds that the Met will be publishing images people suspected to have committed offences, such as showing support for UK proscribed terrorist organisations, including Hamas.
And earlier than that, where it becomes clear the BBC reporters did not see this first-hand:-
We've had another update from the Metropolitan Police to say that officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration.
The group in Grosvenor Place in Belgravia were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings, the force says in a post on X, formerly Twitter.
Officers are detaining and searching those involved under Section 60 and 60AA powers, the Met adds.
The Met is using the word detained in its statement, but this may not be the same as being arrested. BBC News is asking the Met for more information.
Channel 4 news partiality, or lack of it, is certainly not a surprise. It’s becoming a bit of a left of centre GB News.
There was a group of casuals detained by the police yesterday to prevent a breach of the peace.
People who call all casuals neo nazi or far right are wrong. Some will be.
Most just turn up for,a ruck and a pissup. They were even brawling among themselves. Their politics goes across the whole spectrum. They just like a tear up.
Following from the last thread, apparently Nige is going on that stupid I'm a Celeb show. I am sure the producers and the public will have lots of fun making him eat Kangaroo bollocks and all that nonsense. Not exactly what a potential leader of a political party does.
The worst thing for a politician (though often the best thing for society) is to be forgotten. All publicity is good publicity, as Donald Trump's lead in the polls despite 91 felony indictments shows.
Leon - anything incorrect or just selective reporting that you are complaining about?
Deeply selective reporting
No mention that the pro-Palestinians were shooting fireworks at the faces of the cops, by the end
No mention of the attempted stabbings, the menacing gangs, the mobbing of Gove, the cars driving around full of people shouting at Jews
That is the summary from the Live page. If we look instead at the BBC's main story, it does mention Gove (with video), the PM condemning both sides, and the police issuing three pictures of pro-Palestine marchers they want to identify. It says there have been 188 hate crime arrests, most for antisemitic offences, since 7th October. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67390514
The only real complaint I can see about the BBC Live reporting Leon complains about is that this refers to a splinter group of pro-Palestine marchers but that is not mentioned in the summary: Officers also intercepted a group of 150. Arrests were made after some of the fireworks struck officers in the face
However scrolling down finds a fuller account which is:- Arrests made after officers struck by fireworks - police Earlier we reported that officers detained a breakaway group of about 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration.
The statement from the assistant commissioner says the group of 150 were "wearing face coverings and firing fireworks".
He says "arrests were made" after some officers were struck in the face with fireworks.
His statement adds that the Met will be publishing images people suspected to have committed offences, such as showing support for UK proscribed terrorist organisations, including Hamas.
And earlier than that, where it becomes clear the BBC reporters did not see this first-hand:-
We've had another update from the Metropolitan Police to say that officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration.
The group in Grosvenor Place in Belgravia were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings, the force says in a post on X, formerly Twitter.
Officers are detaining and searching those involved under Section 60 and 60AA powers, the Met adds.
The Met is using the word detained in its statement, but this may not be the same as being arrested. BBC News is asking the Met for more information.
Channel 4 news partiality, or lack of it, is certainly not a surprise. It’s becoming a bit of a left of centre GB News.
There was a group of casuals detained by the police yesterday to prevent a breach of the peace.
People who call all casuals neo nazi or far right are wrong. Some will be.
Most just turn up for,a ruck and a pissup. They were even brawling among themselves. Their politics goes across the whole spectrum. They just like a tear up.
I'm amused by the way Linekar and others are complaining about them being called "Football Hooligans". Their clubs might not have been playing, but they are organised through the diseased sport he earns millions from us to speak cr@p about.
So sad to see the Braverman-inspired Freikorps counter-demo disrespecting the Cenotaph yesterday. She needs to go. It's actually quite sickening seeing the Right trying to weaponise and politicise the Remembrance events like this. Luckily people understand their true meaning far better than Tory politicians and their lackeys in the Billionaire press think they do. My son will be attending our Remembrance Sunday ceremony with his Scouts group at the local war memorial this morning. He is carrying their flag, I am very proud.
Leon - anything incorrect or just selective reporting that you are complaining about?
Deeply selective reporting
No mention that the pro-Palestinians were shooting fireworks at the faces of the cops, by the end
No mention of the attempted stabbings, the menacing gangs, the mobbing of Gove, the cars driving around full of people shouting at Jews
That is the summary from the Live page. If we look instead at the BBC's main story, it does mention Gove (with video), the PM condemning both sides, and the police issuing three pictures of pro-Palestine marchers they want to identify. It says there have been 188 hate crime arrests, most for antisemitic offences, since 7th October. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67390514
The only real complaint I can see about the BBC Live reporting Leon complains about is that this refers to a splinter group of pro-Palestine marchers but that is not mentioned in the summary: Officers also intercepted a group of 150. Arrests were made after some of the fireworks struck officers in the face
However scrolling down finds a fuller account which is:- Arrests made after officers struck by fireworks - police Earlier we reported that officers detained a breakaway group of about 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration.
The statement from the assistant commissioner says the group of 150 were "wearing face coverings and firing fireworks".
He says "arrests were made" after some officers were struck in the face with fireworks.
His statement adds that the Met will be publishing images people suspected to have committed offences, such as showing support for UK proscribed terrorist organisations, including Hamas.
And earlier than that, where it becomes clear the BBC reporters did not see this first-hand:-
We've had another update from the Metropolitan Police to say that officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration.
The group in Grosvenor Place in Belgravia were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings, the force says in a post on X, formerly Twitter.
Officers are detaining and searching those involved under Section 60 and 60AA powers, the Met adds.
The Met is using the word detained in its statement, but this may not be the same as being arrested. BBC News is asking the Met for more information.
Channel 4 news partiality, or lack of it, is certainly not a surprise. It’s becoming a bit of a left of centre GB News.
There was a group of casuals detained by the police yesterday to prevent a breach of the peace.
People who call all casuals neo nazi or far right are wrong. Some will be.
Most just turn up for,a ruck and a pissup. They were even brawling among themselves. Their politics goes across the whole spectrum. They just like a tear up.
Which goes back to why Braverman should be sacked for crass dangerous stupidity.
Had she not wound people up by her statements earlier in the week, many of the morons wouldn't have shown up- they are too dumb to work it out by themselves.
Then the focus would have been on the proPalestinian march; how much the fringe of that went too far, whether the core message was sensible.
Instead, the focus is understandably on the worst behaviour by the worst people, which was Team Tommy.
Leon - anything incorrect or just selective reporting that you are complaining about?
Deeply selective reporting
No mention that the pro-Palestinians were shooting fireworks at the faces of the cops, by the end
No mention of the attempted stabbings, the menacing gangs, the mobbing of Gove, the cars driving around full of people shouting at Jews
Calling these thugs and idiots ‘pro-Palestinians’ is akin to calling the thugs who swung into action after football matches in the ‘80s ‘sports fans’. For people simply looking for a ruckus, who will always exist, Braverman effectively erected a great big sign carrying an arrow. And it wasn’t pointing to a ‘golf sale’.
Leon - anything incorrect or just selective reporting that you are complaining about?
Deeply selective reporting
No mention that the pro-Palestinians were shooting fireworks at the faces of the cops, by the end
No mention of the attempted stabbings, the menacing gangs, the mobbing of Gove, the cars driving around full of people shouting at Jews
That is the summary from the Live page. If we look instead at the BBC's main story, it does mention Gove (with video), the PM condemning both sides, and the police issuing three pictures of pro-Palestine marchers they want to identify. It says there have been 188 hate crime arrests, most for antisemitic offences, since 7th October. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67390514
The only real complaint I can see about the BBC Live reporting Leon complains about is that this refers to a splinter group of pro-Palestine marchers but that is not mentioned in the summary: Officers also intercepted a group of 150. Arrests were made after some of the fireworks struck officers in the face
However scrolling down finds a fuller account which is:- Arrests made after officers struck by fireworks - police Earlier we reported that officers detained a breakaway group of about 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration.
The statement from the assistant commissioner says the group of 150 were "wearing face coverings and firing fireworks".
He says "arrests were made" after some officers were struck in the face with fireworks.
His statement adds that the Met will be publishing images people suspected to have committed offences, such as showing support for UK proscribed terrorist organisations, including Hamas.
And earlier than that, where it becomes clear the BBC reporters did not see this first-hand:-
We've had another update from the Metropolitan Police to say that officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration.
The group in Grosvenor Place in Belgravia were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings, the force says in a post on X, formerly Twitter.
Officers are detaining and searching those involved under Section 60 and 60AA powers, the Met adds.
The Met is using the word detained in its statement, but this may not be the same as being arrested. BBC News is asking the Met for more information.
Many people on both sides made up their minds on what was going to happen before the march took place, and feel no reason to allow events to alter their views.
Leon - anything incorrect or just selective reporting that you are complaining about?
Deeply selective reporting
No mention that the pro-Palestinians were shooting fireworks at the faces of the cops, by the end
No mention of the attempted stabbings, the menacing gangs, the mobbing of Gove, the cars driving around full of people shouting at Jews
That is the summary from the Live page. If we look instead at the BBC's main story, it does mention Gove (with video), the PM condemning both sides, and the police issuing three pictures of pro-Palestine marchers they want to identify. It says there have been 188 hate crime arrests, most for antisemitic offences, since 7th October. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67390514
The only real complaint I can see about the BBC Live reporting Leon complains about is that this refers to a splinter group of pro-Palestine marchers but that is not mentioned in the summary: Officers also intercepted a group of 150. Arrests were made after some of the fireworks struck officers in the face
However scrolling down finds a fuller account which is:- Arrests made after officers struck by fireworks - police Earlier we reported that officers detained a breakaway group of about 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration.
The statement from the assistant commissioner says the group of 150 were "wearing face coverings and firing fireworks".
He says "arrests were made" after some officers were struck in the face with fireworks.
His statement adds that the Met will be publishing images people suspected to have committed offences, such as showing support for UK proscribed terrorist organisations, including Hamas.
And earlier than that, where it becomes clear the BBC reporters did not see this first-hand:-
We've had another update from the Metropolitan Police to say that officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration.
The group in Grosvenor Place in Belgravia were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings, the force says in a post on X, formerly Twitter.
Officers are detaining and searching those involved under Section 60 and 60AA powers, the Met adds.
The Met is using the word detained in its statement, but this may not be the same as being arrested. BBC News is asking the Met for more information.
Channel 4 news partiality, or lack of it, is certainly not a surprise. It’s becoming a bit of a left of centre GB News.
There was a group of casuals detained by the police yesterday to prevent a breach of the peace.
People who call all casuals neo nazi or far right are wrong. Some will be.
Most just turn up for,a ruck and a pissup. They were even brawling among themselves. Their politics goes across the whole spectrum. They just like a tear up.
I'm amused by the way Linekar and others are complaining about them being called "Football Hooligans". Their clubs might not have been playing, but they are organised through the diseased sport he earns millions from us to speak cr@p about.
My son and his U15 team play every week, they train twice a week. Every weekend hundreds of thousands of mostly young people give their all, getting fresh air and exercise and learning about teamwork and dedication. Millions watch games, enjoying the excitement and spectacle of a beautiful game that enjoys global appeal. A few frustrated, angry, violent men who attach themselves to the game for the purpose of violence do not represent it. Diseased sport my arse.
Leon - anything incorrect or just selective reporting that you are complaining about?
Deeply selective reporting
No mention that the pro-Palestinians were shooting fireworks at the faces of the cops, by the end
No mention of the attempted stabbings, the menacing gangs, the mobbing of Gove, the cars driving around full of people shouting at Jews
Calling these thugs and idiots ‘pro-Palestinians’ is akin to calling the thugs who swung into action after football matches in the ‘80s ‘sports fans’. For people simply looking for a ruckus, who will always exist, Braverman effectively erected a great big sign carrying an arrow. And it wasn’t pointing to a ‘golf sale’.
Using the same take, you might suggest that people chanting out "From the river to the sea," or saying "Hitler had the right idea" were not pro-Palestinians. They were at the main protest. They were protesters.
They banned the daily act of remembrance at the Menin Gate after the conquest of Belgium.
The very day that Allied (specifically Free Polish) forces retook the gate, and while fighting was continuing in other parts of Ypres, the ceremonies restarted.
Leon - anything incorrect or just selective reporting that you are complaining about?
Deeply selective reporting
No mention that the pro-Palestinians were shooting fireworks at the faces of the cops, by the end
No mention of the attempted stabbings, the menacing gangs, the mobbing of Gove, the cars driving around full of people shouting at Jews
That is the summary from the Live page. If we look instead at the BBC's main story, it does mention Gove (with video), the PM condemning both sides, and the police issuing three pictures of pro-Palestine marchers they want to identify. It says there have been 188 hate crime arrests, most for antisemitic offences, since 7th October. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67390514
The only real complaint I can see about the BBC Live reporting Leon complains about is that this refers to a splinter group of pro-Palestine marchers but that is not mentioned in the summary: Officers also intercepted a group of 150. Arrests were made after some of the fireworks struck officers in the face
However scrolling down finds a fuller account which is:- Arrests made after officers struck by fireworks - police Earlier we reported that officers detained a breakaway group of about 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration.
The statement from the assistant commissioner says the group of 150 were "wearing face coverings and firing fireworks".
He says "arrests were made" after some officers were struck in the face with fireworks.
His statement adds that the Met will be publishing images people suspected to have committed offences, such as showing support for UK proscribed terrorist organisations, including Hamas.
And earlier than that, where it becomes clear the BBC reporters did not see this first-hand:-
We've had another update from the Metropolitan Police to say that officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration.
The group in Grosvenor Place in Belgravia were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings, the force says in a post on X, formerly Twitter.
Officers are detaining and searching those involved under Section 60 and 60AA powers, the Met adds.
The Met is using the word detained in its statement, but this may not be the same as being arrested. BBC News is asking the Met for more information.
Channel 4 news partiality, or lack of it, is certainly not a surprise. It’s becoming a bit of a left of centre GB News.
There was a group of casuals detained by the police yesterday to prevent a breach of the peace.
People who call all casuals neo nazi or far right are wrong. Some will be.
Most just turn up for,a ruck and a pissup. They were even brawling among themselves. Their politics goes across the whole spectrum. They just like a tear up.
I'm amused by the way Linekar and others are complaining about them being called "Football Hooligans". Their clubs might not have been playing, but they are organised through the diseased sport he earns millions from us to speak cr@p about.
My son and his U15 team play every week, they train twice a week. Every weekend hundreds of thousands of mostly young people give their all, getting fresh air and exercise and learning about teamwork and dedication. Millions watch games, enjoying the excitement and spectacle of a beautiful game that enjoys global appeal. A few frustrated, angry, violent men who attach themselves to the game for the purpose of violence do not represent it. Diseased sport my arse.
LOL. It is diseased. Just look at the massive level of corruption within it, and the amount of riots and fights that are generated. The casual and real racism shown all too often at grounds.
It is not a 'beautiful game'. It may have been at one stage; but money has corrupted it.
Following from the last thread, apparently Nige is going on that stupid I'm a Celeb show. I am sure the producers and the public will have lots of fun making him eat Kangaroo bollocks and all that nonsense. Not exactly what a potential leader of a political party does.
Farage is a general 10 or 12/1 shot which might be value if he is as popular as GB News thinks he is. I've never watched the show so have no idea what he'd have to do in order to win.
No bet
You’ve the risk of a bunch of anti-Nige people doing a pile on in voting
But do they want him off to show their virtue by voting against him, or do they want him on being tormented?
Leon - anything incorrect or just selective reporting that you are complaining about?
Deeply selective reporting
No mention that the pro-Palestinians were shooting fireworks at the faces of the cops, by the end
No mention of the attempted stabbings, the menacing gangs, the mobbing of Gove, the cars driving around full of people shouting at Jews
That is the summary from the Live page. If we look instead at the BBC's main story, it does mention Gove (with video), the PM condemning both sides, and the police issuing three pictures of pro-Palestine marchers they want to identify. It says there have been 188 hate crime arrests, most for antisemitic offences, since 7th October. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67390514
The only real complaint I can see about the BBC Live reporting Leon complains about is that this refers to a splinter group of pro-Palestine marchers but that is not mentioned in the summary: Officers also intercepted a group of 150. Arrests were made after some of the fireworks struck officers in the face
However scrolling down finds a fuller account which is:- Arrests made after officers struck by fireworks - police Earlier we reported that officers detained a breakaway group of about 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration.
The statement from the assistant commissioner says the group of 150 were "wearing face coverings and firing fireworks".
He says "arrests were made" after some officers were struck in the face with fireworks.
His statement adds that the Met will be publishing images people suspected to have committed offences, such as showing support for UK proscribed terrorist organisations, including Hamas.
And earlier than that, where it becomes clear the BBC reporters did not see this first-hand:-
We've had another update from the Metropolitan Police to say that officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration.
The group in Grosvenor Place in Belgravia were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings, the force says in a post on X, formerly Twitter.
Officers are detaining and searching those involved under Section 60 and 60AA powers, the Met adds.
The Met is using the word detained in its statement, but this may not be the same as being arrested. BBC News is asking the Met for more information.
Channel 4 news partiality, or lack of it, is certainly not a surprise. It’s becoming a bit of a left of centre GB News.
There was a group of casuals detained by the police yesterday to prevent a breach of the peace.
People who call all casuals neo nazi or far right are wrong. Some will be.
Most just turn up for,a ruck and a pissup. They were even brawling among themselves. Their politics goes across the whole spectrum. They just like a tear up.
I'm amused by the way Linekar and others are complaining about them being called "Football Hooligans". Their clubs might not have been playing, but they are organised through the diseased sport he earns millions from us to speak cr@p about.
My son and his U15 team play every week, they train twice a week. Every weekend hundreds of thousands of mostly young people give their all, getting fresh air and exercise and learning about teamwork and dedication. Millions watch games, enjoying the excitement and spectacle of a beautiful game that enjoys global appeal. A few frustrated, angry, violent men who attach themselves to the game for the purpose of violence do not represent it. Diseased sport my arse.
LOL. It is diseased. Just look at the massive level of corruption within it, and the amount of riots and fights that are generated. The casual and real racism shown all too often at grounds.
It is not a 'beautiful game'. It may have been at one stage; but money has corrupted it.
Yeah, massive problems of racism from crowds. (How many of those protecting the dignity of the Cenotaph will be chanting anti Semitic abuse next time their team plays Spurs?)
But far worse happened, and was cheerfully shrugged off, in the 70s and 80s.
Following from the last thread, apparently Nige is going on that stupid I'm a Celeb show. I am sure the producers and the public will have lots of fun making him eat Kangaroo bollocks and all that nonsense. Not exactly what a potential leader of a political party does.
Farage is a general 10 or 12/1 shot which might be value if he is as popular as GB News thinks he is. I've never watched the show so have no idea what he'd have to do in order to win.
No bet
You’ve the risk of a bunch of anti-Nige people doing a pile on in voting
But do they want him off to show their virtue by voting against him, or do they want him on being tormented?
Leon - anything incorrect or just selective reporting that you are complaining about?
Deeply selective reporting
No mention that the pro-Palestinians were shooting fireworks at the faces of the cops, by the end
No mention of the attempted stabbings, the menacing gangs, the mobbing of Gove, the cars driving around full of people shouting at Jews
Calling these thugs and idiots ‘pro-Palestinians’ is akin to calling the thugs who swung into action after football matches in the ‘80s ‘sports fans’. For people simply looking for a ruckus, who will always exist, Braverman effectively erected a great big sign carrying an arrow. And it wasn’t pointing to a ‘golf sale’.
The 80’s, it predates then by decades and is still going on to this day. It did die off in the early nineties, partly due to Plod and partly due to everyone being loved up on ecstasy. It is still there. Remember the Geordie who punched a horse, and, yes, they are sports fans. You can be a sports fan and like a ruck too. They are not mutually exclusive.
Leon - anything incorrect or just selective reporting that you are complaining about?
Deeply selective reporting
No mention that the pro-Palestinians were shooting fireworks at the faces of the cops, by the end
No mention of the attempted stabbings, the menacing gangs, the mobbing of Gove, the cars driving around full of people shouting at Jews
That is the summary from the Live page. If we look instead at the BBC's main story, it does mention Gove (with video), the PM condemning both sides, and the police issuing three pictures of pro-Palestine marchers they want to identify. It says there have been 188 hate crime arrests, most for antisemitic offences, since 7th October. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67390514
The only real complaint I can see about the BBC Live reporting Leon complains about is that this refers to a splinter group of pro-Palestine marchers but that is not mentioned in the summary: Officers also intercepted a group of 150. Arrests were made after some of the fireworks struck officers in the face
However scrolling down finds a fuller account which is:- Arrests made after officers struck by fireworks - police Earlier we reported that officers detained a breakaway group of about 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration.
The statement from the assistant commissioner says the group of 150 were "wearing face coverings and firing fireworks".
He says "arrests were made" after some officers were struck in the face with fireworks.
His statement adds that the Met will be publishing images people suspected to have committed offences, such as showing support for UK proscribed terrorist organisations, including Hamas.
And earlier than that, where it becomes clear the BBC reporters did not see this first-hand:-
We've had another update from the Metropolitan Police to say that officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration.
The group in Grosvenor Place in Belgravia were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings, the force says in a post on X, formerly Twitter.
Officers are detaining and searching those involved under Section 60 and 60AA powers, the Met adds.
The Met is using the word detained in its statement, but this may not be the same as being arrested. BBC News is asking the Met for more information.
Channel 4 news partiality, or lack of it, is certainly not a surprise. It’s becoming a bit of a left of centre GB News.
There was a group of casuals detained by the police yesterday to prevent a breach of the peace.
People who call all casuals neo nazi or far right are wrong. Some will be.
Most just turn up for,a ruck and a pissup. They were even brawling among themselves. Their politics goes across the whole spectrum. They just like a tear up.
I'm amused by the way Linekar and others are complaining about them being called "Football Hooligans". Their clubs might not have been playing, but they are organised through the diseased sport he earns millions from us to speak cr@p about.
My son and his U15 team play every week, they train twice a week. Every weekend hundreds of thousands of mostly young people give their all, getting fresh air and exercise and learning about teamwork and dedication. Millions watch games, enjoying the excitement and spectacle of a beautiful game that enjoys global appeal. A few frustrated, angry, violent men who attach themselves to the game for the purpose of violence do not represent it. Diseased sport my arse.
Leon - anything incorrect or just selective reporting that you are complaining about?
Deeply selective reporting
No mention that the pro-Palestinians were shooting fireworks at the faces of the cops, by the end
No mention of the attempted stabbings, the menacing gangs, the mobbing of Gove, the cars driving around full of people shouting at Jews
That is the summary from the Live page. If we look instead at the BBC's main story, it does mention Gove (with video), the PM condemning both sides, and the police issuing three pictures of pro-Palestine marchers they want to identify. It says there have been 188 hate crime arrests, most for antisemitic offences, since 7th October. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67390514
The only real complaint I can see about the BBC Live reporting Leon complains about is that this refers to a splinter group of pro-Palestine marchers but that is not mentioned in the summary: Officers also intercepted a group of 150. Arrests were made after some of the fireworks struck officers in the face
However scrolling down finds a fuller account which is:- Arrests made after officers struck by fireworks - police Earlier we reported that officers detained a breakaway group of about 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration.
The statement from the assistant commissioner says the group of 150 were "wearing face coverings and firing fireworks".
He says "arrests were made" after some officers were struck in the face with fireworks.
His statement adds that the Met will be publishing images people suspected to have committed offences, such as showing support for UK proscribed terrorist organisations, including Hamas.
And earlier than that, where it becomes clear the BBC reporters did not see this first-hand:-
We've had another update from the Metropolitan Police to say that officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration.
The group in Grosvenor Place in Belgravia were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings, the force says in a post on X, formerly Twitter.
Officers are detaining and searching those involved under Section 60 and 60AA powers, the Met adds.
The Met is using the word detained in its statement, but this may not be the same as being arrested. BBC News is asking the Met for more information.
Channel 4 news partiality, or lack of it, is certainly not a surprise. It’s becoming a bit of a left of centre GB News.
There was a group of casuals detained by the police yesterday to prevent a breach of the peace.
People who call all casuals neo nazi or far right are wrong. Some will be.
Most just turn up for,a ruck and a pissup. They were even brawling among themselves. Their politics goes across the whole spectrum. They just like a tear up.
I'm amused by the way Linekar and others are complaining about them being called "Football Hooligans". Their clubs might not have been playing, but they are organised through the diseased sport he earns millions from us to speak cr@p about.
My son and his U15 team play every week, they train twice a week. Every weekend hundreds of thousands of mostly young people give their all, getting fresh air and exercise and learning about teamwork and dedication. Millions watch games, enjoying the excitement and spectacle of a beautiful game that enjoys global appeal. A few frustrated, angry, violent men who attach themselves to the game for the purpose of violence do not represent it. Diseased sport my arse.
LOL. It is diseased. Just look at the massive level of corruption within it, and the amount of riots and fights that are generated. The casual and real racism shown all too often at grounds.
It is not a 'beautiful game'. It may have been at one stage; but money has corrupted it.
Following from the last thread, apparently Nige is going on that stupid I'm a Celeb show. I am sure the producers and the public will have lots of fun making him eat Kangaroo bollocks and all that nonsense. Not exactly what a potential leader of a political party does.
Farage is a general 10 or 12/1 shot which might be value if he is as popular as GB News thinks he is. I've never watched the show so have no idea what he'd have to do in order to win.
No bet
You’ve the risk of a bunch of anti-Nige people doing a pile on in voting
But do they want him off to show their virtue by voting against him, or do they want him on being tormented?
Both
He’ll probably come second
Matt Hancock was third last year. Though Nadine Dorries was the first to be eliminated when she did it, as was Robert Kilroy-Silk.
Leon - anything incorrect or just selective reporting that you are complaining about?
Deeply selective reporting
No mention that the pro-Palestinians were shooting fireworks at the faces of the cops, by the end
No mention of the attempted stabbings, the menacing gangs, the mobbing of Gove, the cars driving around full of people shouting at Jews
That is the summary from the Live page. If we look instead at the BBC's main story, it does mention Gove (with video), the PM condemning both sides, and the police issuing three pictures of pro-Palestine marchers they want to identify. It says there have been 188 hate crime arrests, most for antisemitic offences, since 7th October. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67390514
The only real complaint I can see about the BBC Live reporting Leon complains about is that this refers to a splinter group of pro-Palestine marchers but that is not mentioned in the summary: Officers also intercepted a group of 150. Arrests were made after some of the fireworks struck officers in the face
However scrolling down finds a fuller account which is:- Arrests made after officers struck by fireworks - police Earlier we reported that officers detained a breakaway group of about 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration.
The statement from the assistant commissioner says the group of 150 were "wearing face coverings and firing fireworks".
He says "arrests were made" after some officers were struck in the face with fireworks.
His statement adds that the Met will be publishing images people suspected to have committed offences, such as showing support for UK proscribed terrorist organisations, including Hamas.
And earlier than that, where it becomes clear the BBC reporters did not see this first-hand:-
We've had another update from the Metropolitan Police to say that officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration.
The group in Grosvenor Place in Belgravia were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings, the force says in a post on X, formerly Twitter.
Officers are detaining and searching those involved under Section 60 and 60AA powers, the Met adds.
The Met is using the word detained in its statement, but this may not be the same as being arrested. BBC News is asking the Met for more information.
Channel 4 news partiality, or lack of it, is certainly not a surprise. It’s becoming a bit of a left of centre GB News.
There was a group of casuals detained by the police yesterday to prevent a breach of the peace.
People who call all casuals neo nazi or far right are wrong. Some will be.
Most just turn up for,a ruck and a pissup. They were even brawling among themselves. Their politics goes across the whole spectrum. They just like a tear up.
Which goes back to why Braverman should be sacked for crass dangerous stupidity.
Had she not wound people up by her statements earlier in the week, many of the morons wouldn't have shown up- they are too dumb to work it out by themselves.
Then the focus would have been on the proPalestinian march; how much the fringe of that went too far, whether the core message was sensible.
Instead, the focus is understandably on the worst behaviour by the worst people, which was Team Tommy.
rTommeh who fucked off in a cab pretty early in the day. Turned up for a photo op and to massage brand tommeh to the fools who think he’s something to aspire to or support then off he goes. Probably to join his fellow Luton fans drinking a pub dry of cheap lager.
Many would have gone anyway.
It is foolish to assume all casuals are unintelligent. Many are not. My former boss, an FD at a medium size manufacturer was regularly getting into brawls and all day pissups. Many of his fellow casuals were also in decent jobs. They just loved the adrenaline surge. Only stopped after his wife gave him an ultimatum.
Following from the last thread, apparently Nige is going on that stupid I'm a Celeb show. I am sure the producers and the public will have lots of fun making him eat Kangaroo bollocks and all that nonsense. Not exactly what a potential leader of a political party does.
Farage is a general 10 or 12/1 shot which might be value if he is as popular as GB News thinks he is. I've never watched the show so have no idea what he'd have to do in order to win.
No bet
You’ve the risk of a bunch of anti-Nige people doing a pile on in voting
But do they want him off to show their virtue by voting against him, or do they want him on being tormented?
The Daily Express doesn’t seem to have seen the tv interview earlier on the day . The vicar in the main photo said he was going to attend the cenotaph and then go to the pro Palestinian march . So apparently he’s part of the hate mob according to Braverman !
No surprises to see the DM continue its operation of Save Suella .
I see this morning that the police put the group letting off fireworks yesterday at 150. So much for @Leon's tens of thousands. And @Casino_Royale thinks @Leon's hysterical reporting was reliable.
I see this morning that the police put the group letting off fireworks yesterday at 150. So much for @Leon's tens of thousands. And @Casino_Royale thinks @Leon's hysterical reporting was reliable.
So higher than the number of hooligans arrested yet?
@Leon was right. It reflects badly on too many posters on here that they don't have the humility or integrity to admit it.
I see this morning that the police put the group letting off fireworks yesterday at 150. So much for @Leon's tens of thousands. And @Casino_Royale thinks @Leon's hysterical reporting was reliable.
So higher than the number of hooligans arrested yet?
@Leon was right. It reflects badly on too many posters on here that they don't have the humility or integrity to admit it.
??? Tens of thousands compared to 150 makes @leon right? Honestly some people will defend any old nonsense.
I see this morning that the police put the group letting off fireworks yesterday at 150. So much for @Leon's tens of thousands. And @Casino_Royale thinks @Leon's hysterical reporting was reliable.
So higher than the number of hooligans arrested yet?
@Leon was right. It reflects badly on too many posters on here that they don't have the humility or integrity to admit it.
From today's Sunday Times,
It was the fifth to have taken place since the October 7 massacre perpetrated by Hamas in Israel but by far the most violent, with 126 arrests by 9.10pm and nine police officers injured. Last Saturday the number of arrests totalled 29.
Although the vast majority of those arrested were far-right counter-protesters, Michael Gove, the communities secretary, had to be bundled into a police van for his own safety after he was confronted by dozens of pro-Palestine activists while walking through Victoria station in central London.
It certainly seems that most commentators decided on a verdict on Saturday before any demonstrations or marches had even happened. Not only is the Home Office not fit for purpose; Channel 4 News appears not to be either.
I'm glad the EDL's hairless Blutos earlier in the day got shown up as the thugs that they were of course.
My impression yesterday evening was the same one I had after the 2017 election; while so many profess to care about ‘all forms of racism’, when it comes to antisemitism the vast majority simply don’t care, for the sake of political and administrative expediency. It seems particularly true for those of comparatively younger generations and does not bode well for the future.
Braverman should not be the Home Secretary for the same multiple reasons she should never have been appointed by Sunak in the first place. But when this particular stopped clock describes the demonstration as a ‘Hate March’ more righteous anger seems to have been directed at her than at those rejoicing in the deliberate and calculated mutilation, torture and incineration of Jewish Israeli civilians.
Is our political climate so football-team-partisan that bogeymen can’t be on both sides?
While we are all busy obliging the Home Secretary by making her the focal point of this story, what are Jews in London to do? I say this as someone who wants demonstrations such as these to be allowed to go ahead but when a particular community is so singled out and intimidated what is the solution?
I see this morning that the police put the group letting off fireworks yesterday at 150. So much for @Leon's tens of thousands. And @Casino_Royale thinks @Leon's hysterical reporting was reliable.
So higher than the number of hooligans arrested yet?
@Leon was right. It reflects badly on too many posters on here that they don't have the humility or integrity to admit it.
From today's Sunday Times,
It was the fifth to have taken place since the October 7 massacre perpetrated by Hamas in Israel but by far the most violent, with 126 arrests by 9.10pm and nine police officers injured. Last Saturday the number of arrests totalled 29.
Although the vast majority of those arrested were far-right counter-protesters, Michael Gove, the communities secretary, had to be bundled into a police van for his own safety after he was confronted by dozens of pro-Palestine activists while walking through Victoria station in central London.
The fireworks people were “detained” not “arrested”
Following from the last thread, apparently Nige is going on that stupid I'm a Celeb show. I am sure the producers and the public will have lots of fun making him eat Kangaroo bollocks and all that nonsense. Not exactly what a potential leader of a political party does.
Farage is a general 10 or 12/1 shot which might be value if he is as popular as GB News thinks he is. I've never watched the show so have no idea what he'd have to do in order to win.
No bet
You’ve the risk of a bunch of anti-Nige people doing a pile on in voting
But do they want him off to show their virtue by voting against him, or do they want him on being tormented?
As long as he’s on the show and people are voting ITV will be very happy with the revenue.
Opposition parties have been joined by Tory MPs of the liberal persuasion in recoiling in disgust at the deliberately inflammatory provocations of Suella Braverman. “Mad” and “bad” are among the descriptions to be heard from moderate Tories. They’re pressing Rishi Sunak to get a pair of cojones and fire her, both for what she has done and for defying Number 10’s instructions not to do it.
Unforgivably, in the eyes of many in her own party as well as many outside it, she has sought to undermine the police and fundamental principles of the free society. Sir Tom Winsor, the chief inspector of constabulary during the time of four previous Conservative home secretaries, had it right when he said that Ms Braverman had crossed a sacrosanct line: “It’s unprecedented. It’s contrary to the spirit of the ancient constitutional settlement with the police… A home secretary of all people is not the person to do this.”
The question for the prime minister is how much longer he can tolerate a recklessly irresponsible and serially disloyal home secretary who can never see division without wanting to fan its flames in the cynical pursuit of her own ambitions.
It is his own fault that Mr Sunak faces this question. Mr Sunak brought her back, not because he thought she had the character and qualities to be a capable home secretary, but because he made a desperate bargain with her in the belief that he needed the support of the party’s hard right to secure the Tory leadership. Mr Sunak must surely now see that she is inside the tent pissing all over him.
...says one former Conservative cabinet minister. “If Rishi doesn’t sack her, he will be permanently weakened.” The question facing all Tories, especially the party’s more moderate MPs and members, is whether they want their party to become defined by Ms Braverman’s toxic brand of politics. There is no doubt there are some votes in being an unashamedly and explicitly “nasty party”, but history suggests there will never be enough backers for it to win an election in Britain.
I see this morning that the police put the group letting off fireworks yesterday at 150. So much for @Leon's tens of thousands. And @Casino_Royale thinks @Leon's hysterical reporting was reliable.
So higher than the number of hooligans arrested yet?
@Leon was right. It reflects badly on too many posters on here that they don't have the humility or integrity to admit it.
From today's Sunday Times,
It was the fifth to have taken place since the October 7 massacre perpetrated by Hamas in Israel but by far the most violent, with 126 arrests by 9.10pm and nine police officers injured. Last Saturday the number of arrests totalled 29.
Although the vast majority of those arrested were far-right counter-protesters, Michael Gove, the communities secretary, had to be bundled into a police van for his own safety after he was confronted by dozens of pro-Palestine activists while walking through Victoria station in central London.
I see this morning that the police put the group letting off fireworks yesterday at 150. So much for @Leon's tens of thousands. And @Casino_Royale thinks @Leon's hysterical reporting was reliable.
So higher than the number of hooligans arrested yet?
@Leon was right. It reflects badly on too many posters on here that they don't have the humility or integrity to admit it.
??? Tens of thousands compared to 150 makes @leon right? Honestly some people will defend any old nonsense.
I see this morning that the police put the group letting off fireworks yesterday at 150. So much for @Leon's tens of thousands. And @Casino_Royale thinks @Leon's hysterical reporting was reliable.
So higher than the number of hooligans arrested yet?
@Leon was right. It reflects badly on too many posters on here that they don't have the humility or integrity to admit it.
??? Tens of thousands compared to 150 makes @leon right? Honestly some people will defend any old nonsense.
Given the majority of the casuals went for a ruck (many of whom would be happy to have a go at plod) but the majority of the pro Hamas/pro gaza/pro ceasefire/anti Israel marchers/supporters didn’t then it is no surprise that the numbers are proportionally different. Leon’s point on the reporting was not unreasonable.
I see this morning that the police put the group letting off fireworks yesterday at 150. So much for @Leon's tens of thousands. And @Casino_Royale thinks @Leon's hysterical reporting was reliable.
So higher than the number of hooligans arrested yet?
@Leon was right. It reflects badly on too many posters on here that they don't have the humility or integrity to admit it.
??? Tens of thousands compared to 150 makes @leon right? Honestly some people will defend any old nonsense.
Given the majority of the casuals went for a ruck (many of whom would be happy to have a go at plod) but the majority of the pro Hamas/pro gaza/pro ceasefire/anti Israel marchers/supporters didn’t then it is no surprise that the numbers are proportionally different. Leon’s point on the reporting was not unreasonable.
Yes, and neither was it inaccurate - low thousands of people shouting genocidal slogans or calling for Holy War might not directly meet the threshold for arrest, but it's still deeply disturbing, problematic and highly intimating to the Jewish community.
I see this morning that the police put the group letting off fireworks yesterday at 150. So much for @Leon's tens of thousands. And @Casino_Royale thinks @Leon's hysterical reporting was reliable.
So higher than the number of hooligans arrested yet?
@Leon was right. It reflects badly on too many posters on here that they don't have the humility or integrity to admit it.
I am not sure the self-styled John Pilger of the right is that much of a reliable witness anytime after the sun over the yardarm confirms noon.
Following from the last thread, apparently Nige is going on that stupid I'm a Celeb show. I am sure the producers and the public will have lots of fun making him eat Kangaroo bollocks and all that nonsense. Not exactly what a potential leader of a political party does.
Farage is a general 10 or 12/1 shot which might be value if he is as popular as GB News thinks he is. I've never watched the show so have no idea what he'd have to do in order to win.
No bet
You’ve the risk of a bunch of anti-Nige people doing a pile on in voting
But do they want him off to show their virtue by voting against him, or do they want him on being tormented?
As long as he’s on the show and people are voting ITV will be very happy with the revenue.
It makes all the sense in the world for ITV and, presumably, is remunerative for Nige as well. I’m thinking from a betting perspective
I see this morning that the police put the group letting off fireworks yesterday at 150. So much for @Leon's tens of thousands. And @Casino_Royale thinks @Leon's hysterical reporting was reliable.
So higher than the number of hooligans arrested yet?
@Leon was right. It reflects badly on too many posters on here that they don't have the humility or integrity to admit it.
??? Tens of thousands compared to 150 makes @leon right? Honestly some people will defend any old nonsense.
Given the majority of the casuals went for a ruck (many of whom would be happy to have a go at plod) but the majority of the pro Hamas/pro gaza/pro ceasefire/anti Israel marchers/supporters didn’t then it is no surprise that the numbers are proportionally different. Leon’s point on the reporting was not unreasonable.
@leon claimed there were tens of thousands letting off fireworks. How is that reasonable and not hysterical?
I see this morning that the police put the group letting off fireworks yesterday at 150. So much for @Leon's tens of thousands. And @Casino_Royale thinks @Leon's hysterical reporting was reliable.
So higher than the number of hooligans arrested yet?
@Leon was right. It reflects badly on too many posters on here that they don't have the humility or integrity to admit it.
??? Tens of thousands compared to 150 makes @leon right? Honestly some people will defend any old nonsense.
Given the majority of the casuals went for a ruck (many of whom would be happy to have a go at plod) but the majority of the pro Hamas/pro gaza/pro ceasefire/anti Israel marchers/supporters didn’t then it is no surprise that the numbers are proportionally different. Leon’s point on the reporting was not unreasonable.
Yes, and neither was it inaccurate - low thousands of people shouting genocidal slogans or calling for Holy War might not directly meet the threshold for arrest, but it's still deeply disturbing, problematic and highly intimating to the Jewish community.
I agree and when you have people trying to mitigate this sort of behaviour it’s deeply worrying too.
I see this morning that the police put the group letting off fireworks yesterday at 150. So much for @Leon's tens of thousands. And @Casino_Royale thinks @Leon's hysterical reporting was reliable.
So higher than the number of hooligans arrested yet?
@Leon was right. It reflects badly on too many posters on here that they don't have the humility or integrity to admit it.
??? Tens of thousands compared to 150 makes @leon right? Honestly some people will defend any old nonsense.
Given the majority of the casuals went for a ruck (many of whom would be happy to have a go at plod) but the majority of the pro Hamas/pro gaza/pro ceasefire/anti Israel marchers/supporters didn’t then it is no surprise that the numbers are proportionally different. Leon’s point on the reporting was not unreasonable.
@leon claimed there were tens of thousands letting off fireworks. How is that reasonable and not hysterical?
He didn't say that.
Let me admit one other thing I got wrong (show you how it's done): up until about 9am yesterday I thought The March was planned *for today* to clash with the main Rememberance Sunday event, and the mass march past the cenotaph by thousands of veterans. I got that wrong and felt pretty silly about it - although I bet I wasn't the only one. Mea culpa.
I see this morning that the police put the group letting off fireworks yesterday at 150. So much for @Leon's tens of thousands. And @Casino_Royale thinks @Leon's hysterical reporting was reliable.
So higher than the number of hooligans arrested yet?
@Leon was right. It reflects badly on too many posters on here that they don't have the humility or integrity to admit it.
??? Tens of thousands compared to 150 makes @leon right? Honestly some people will defend any old nonsense.
Weak, stupid, boring.
Disappointing.
I agree. How can you defend such nonsense. I'm surprised at you. 0.05% of a group behaving badly at a demo is pretty good going. I doubt you would get better from a group of vicars. It always happens. Trouble makers take it as an opportunity.
Yet you defend @leon for getting it hysterical wrong by a massive factor and ranting all night about it.
Following from the last thread, apparently Nige is going on that stupid I'm a Celeb show. I am sure the producers and the public will have lots of fun making him eat Kangaroo bollocks and all that nonsense. Not exactly what a potential leader of a political party does.
Farage is a general 10 or 12/1 shot which might be value if he is as popular as GB News thinks he is. I've never watched the show so have no idea what he'd have to do in order to win.
No bet
You’ve the risk of a bunch of anti-Nige people doing a pile on in voting
But do they want him off to show their virtue by voting against him, or do they want him on being tormented?
As long as he’s on the show and people are voting ITV will be very happy with the revenue.
It makes all the sense in the world for ITV and, presumably, is remunerative for Nige as well. I’m thinking from a betting perspective
After his fee has been received he'll have his Coutts account back before you know it.
I see this morning that the police put the group letting off fireworks yesterday at 150. So much for @Leon's tens of thousands. And @Casino_Royale thinks @Leon's hysterical reporting was reliable.
So higher than the number of hooligans arrested yet?
@Leon was right. It reflects badly on too many posters on here that they don't have the humility or integrity to admit it.
??? Tens of thousands compared to 150 makes @leon right? Honestly some people will defend any old nonsense.
Given the majority of the casuals went for a ruck (many of whom would be happy to have a go at plod) but the majority of the pro Hamas/pro gaza/pro ceasefire/anti Israel marchers/supporters didn’t then it is no surprise that the numbers are proportionally different. Leon’s point on the reporting was not unreasonable.
@leon claimed there were tens of thousands letting off fireworks. How is that reasonable and not hysterical?
Leon posts first and thinks second. And indeed doesn't always make it to the second step.
I see this morning that the police put the group letting off fireworks yesterday at 150. So much for @Leon's tens of thousands. And @Casino_Royale thinks @Leon's hysterical reporting was reliable.
So higher than the number of hooligans arrested yet?
@Leon was right. It reflects badly on too many posters on here that they don't have the humility or integrity to admit it.
??? Tens of thousands compared to 150 makes @leon right? Honestly some people will defend any old nonsense.
Given the majority of the casuals went for a ruck (many of whom would be happy to have a go at plod) but the majority of the pro Hamas/pro gaza/pro ceasefire/anti Israel marchers/supporters didn’t then it is no surprise that the numbers are proportionally different. Leon’s point on the reporting was not unreasonable.
@leon claimed there were tens of thousands letting off fireworks. How is that reasonable and not hysterical?
He didn't say that.
Let me admit one other thing I got wrong (show you how it's done): up until about 9am yesterday I thought The March was planned *for today* to clash with the main Rememberance Sunday event, and the mass march past the cenotaph by thousands of veterans. I got that wrong and felt pretty silly about it - although I bet I wasn't the only one. Mea culpa.
You?
No, you are right Casino. I would NEVER admit to being so dense as to be taken in by my chosen media sources manipulating reality to the extent that I allowed my prejudices to cloud reality.
Suella Braverman believes she has found a way to save her party, and Britain, from Sir Keir Starmer. If, as Ministers expect, the Supreme Court rules this week that the Government's Rwanda plan is illegal, she wants Rishi Sunak to call a snap 'small boats' General Election.
'If the judges reject our plan, then at that point we have to go to the country,' a close friend of the Home Secretary explained to me. 'We have to put our case directly to the people.'
According to Braverman's allies, this high-risk, shock-and-awe strategy has been discussed with the Prime Minister's senior election adviser, Isaac Levido. 'Isaac sees the advantages. He's supportive,' they claimed.
And what about Rishi Sunak himself?
'He's not there yet. But he has to be. It's time for him to man up and grow a pair.'
A complete pack of lies from the BBC. You'd never even know there was violence on the pro-Palestinian side
"Police estimate 300,000 pro-Palestinian protesters calling for a Gaza ceasefire have marched in central London, in the biggest UK rally since the Israel-Gaza war began
More than 100 counter-protesters have been arrested including a large number in Pimlico, near the protest route, the Met Police says
Officers earlier faced aggression from some of the counter-protesters - who include some far-right groups - near the Cenotaph war memorial, police say
Video shows counter-protesters shoving police officers and chanting: "You're not English anymore"
Rishi Sunak says criminality disrespects the armed forces - as he condemns violent scenes
The PM condemned "EDL thugs" for attacking police officers and also protesters "singing antisemitic chants"
Met Police say nine officers were injured – two of them needing hospital treatment for a broken elbow and dislocated hip
At 11:00, hundreds of people gathered at the Cenotaph to observe two minutes of silence and commemorate the UK's war dead"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67390514 …Separately, the Met criticised the actions of "breakaway groups behaving in an intimidating manner" at the end of the pro-Palestinian march, and said arrests were made after fireworks struck officers in the face. It also issued photos of three individuals it suspects of antisemitic hate crimes during the march...
Following from the last thread, apparently Nige is going on that stupid I'm a Celeb show. I am sure the producers and the public will have lots of fun making him eat Kangaroo bollocks and all that nonsense. Not exactly what a potential leader of a political party does.
Farage is a general 10 or 12/1 shot which might be value if he is as popular as GB News thinks he is. I've never watched the show so have no idea what he'd have to do in order to win.
No bet
You’ve the risk of a bunch of anti-Nige people doing a pile on in voting
But do they want him off to show their virtue by voting against him, or do they want him on being tormented?
As long as he’s on the show and people are voting ITV will be very happy with the revenue.
It makes all the sense in the world for ITV and, presumably, is remunerative for Nige as well. I’m thinking from a betting perspective
After his fee has been received he'll have his Coutts account back before you know it.
These are usually sliding scale depending on how long they remain in. If he is out early doors he may snot get too much.
Leon - anything incorrect or just selective reporting that you are complaining about?
Deeply selective reporting
No mention that the pro-Palestinians were shooting fireworks at the faces of the cops, by the end
No mention of the attempted stabbings, the menacing gangs, the mobbing of Gove, the cars driving around full of people shouting at Jews
That is the summary from the Live page. If we look instead at the BBC's main story, it does mention Gove (with video), the PM condemning both sides, and the police issuing three pictures of pro-Palestine marchers they want to identify. It says there have been 188 hate crime arrests, most for antisemitic offences, since 7th October. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67390514
The only real complaint I can see about the BBC Live reporting Leon complains about is that this refers to a splinter group of pro-Palestine marchers but that is not mentioned in the summary: Officers also intercepted a group of 150. Arrests were made after some of the fireworks struck officers in the face
However scrolling down finds a fuller account which is:- Arrests made after officers struck by fireworks - police Earlier we reported that officers detained a breakaway group of about 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration.
The statement from the assistant commissioner says the group of 150 were "wearing face coverings and firing fireworks".
He says "arrests were made" after some officers were struck in the face with fireworks.
His statement adds that the Met will be publishing images people suspected to have committed offences, such as showing support for UK proscribed terrorist organisations, including Hamas.
And earlier than that, where it becomes clear the BBC reporters did not see this first-hand:-
We've had another update from the Metropolitan Police to say that officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration.
The group in Grosvenor Place in Belgravia were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings, the force says in a post on X, formerly Twitter.
Officers are detaining and searching those involved under Section 60 and 60AA powers, the Met adds.
The Met is using the word detained in its statement, but this may not be the same as being arrested. BBC News is asking the Met for more information.
Channel 4 news partiality, or lack of it, is certainly not a surprise. It’s becoming a bit of a left of centre GB News.
There was a group of casuals detained by the police yesterday to prevent a breach of the peace.
People who call all casuals neo nazi or far right are wrong. Some will be.
Most just turn up for,a ruck and a pissup. They were even brawling among themselves. Their politics goes across the whole spectrum. They just like a tear up.
I'm amused by the way Linekar and others are complaining about them being called "Football Hooligans". Their clubs might not have been playing, but they are organised through the diseased sport he earns millions from us to speak cr@p about.
My son and his U15 team play every week, they train twice a week. Every weekend hundreds of thousands of mostly young people give their all, getting fresh air and exercise and learning about teamwork and dedication. Millions watch games, enjoying the excitement and spectacle of a beautiful game that enjoys global appeal. A few frustrated, angry, violent men who attach themselves to the game for the purpose of violence do not represent it. Diseased sport my arse.
Josias has an irrational hatred of our national game, and knows sod all about it. He is best ignored on this topic.
I see this morning that the police put the group letting off fireworks yesterday at 150. So much for @Leon's tens of thousands. And @Casino_Royale thinks @Leon's hysterical reporting was reliable.
So higher than the number of hooligans arrested yet?
@Leon was right. It reflects badly on too many posters on here that they don't have the humility or integrity to admit it.
??? Tens of thousands compared to 150 makes @leon right? Honestly some people will defend any old nonsense.
Given the majority of the casuals went for a ruck (many of whom would be happy to have a go at plod) but the majority of the pro Hamas/pro gaza/pro ceasefire/anti Israel marchers/supporters didn’t then it is no surprise that the numbers are proportionally different. Leon’s point on the reporting was not unreasonable.
@leon claimed there were tens of thousands letting off fireworks. How is that reasonable and not hysterical?
He didn't say that.
Let me admit one other thing I got wrong (show you how it's done): up until about 9am yesterday I thought The March was planned *for today* to clash with the main Rememberance Sunday event, and the mass march past the cenotaph by thousands of veterans. I got that wrong and felt pretty silly about it - although I bet I wasn't the only one. Mea culpa.
You?
Lots of people thought that so don't worry about it. Completely reasonable.
Leon did say ten to fifteen thousand people. Love to admit I was wrong, but I'm not. He said it. He did.
One positive from yesterday, the far right can't even muster more than a couple of bus fulls of hooligans these days. There is going to be this intense media scurity / outrage, over them, but Tommy Two names even saw it was pathetic turn out and got in a taxi early doors and went home.
There are regularly more trouble at League One / Two football matches (which is worrying, due to combination of widespread coke usage & kods gone wild after COVID).
I see this morning that the police put the group letting off fireworks yesterday at 150. So much for @Leon's tens of thousands. And @Casino_Royale thinks @Leon's hysterical reporting was reliable.
So higher than the number of hooligans arrested yet?
@Leon was right. It reflects badly on too many posters on here that they don't have the humility or integrity to admit it.
??? Tens of thousands compared to 150 makes @leon right? Honestly some people will defend any old nonsense.
Given the majority of the casuals went for a ruck (many of whom would be happy to have a go at plod) but the majority of the pro Hamas/pro gaza/pro ceasefire/anti Israel marchers/supporters didn’t then it is no surprise that the numbers are proportionally different. Leon’s point on the reporting was not unreasonable.
@leon claimed there were tens of thousands letting off fireworks. How is that reasonable and not hysterical?
He didn't say that.
Let me admit one other thing I got wrong (show you how it's done): up until about 9am yesterday I thought The March was planned *for today* to clash with the main Rememberance Sunday event, and the mass march past the cenotaph by thousands of veterans. I got that wrong and felt pretty silly about it - although I bet I wasn't the only one. Mea culpa.
You?
No, you are right Casino. I would NEVER admit to being so dense as to be taken in by my chosen media sources manipulating reality to the extent that I allowed my prejudices to cloud reality.
Hats off to you.
In seriousness to both of you - I'm convinced it's been deliberate confusion and conflation by HMG and the right-wing press in their rhetoric. I was remarking on it two or three days ago, so it was noticeable even then.
I see this morning that the police put the group letting off fireworks yesterday at 150. So much for @Leon's tens of thousands. And @Casino_Royale thinks @Leon's hysterical reporting was reliable.
So higher than the number of hooligans arrested yet?
@Leon was right. It reflects badly on too many posters on here that they don't have the humility or integrity to admit it.
??? Tens of thousands compared to 150 makes @leon right? Honestly some people will defend any old nonsense.
Given the majority of the casuals went for a ruck (many of whom would be happy to have a go at plod) but the majority of the pro Hamas/pro gaza/pro ceasefire/anti Israel marchers/supporters didn’t then it is no surprise that the numbers are proportionally different. Leon’s point on the reporting was not unreasonable.
@leon claimed there were tens of thousands letting off fireworks. How is that reasonable and not hysterical?
He didn't say that.
Let me admit one other thing I got wrong (show you how it's done): up until about 9am yesterday I thought The March was planned *for today* to clash with the main Rememberance Sunday event, and the mass march past the cenotaph by thousands of veterans. I got that wrong and felt pretty silly about it - although I bet I wasn't the only one. Mea culpa.
You?
Lots of people thought that so don't worry about it. Completely reasonable.
Leon did say ten to fifteen thousand people. Love to admit I was wrong, but I'm not. He said it. He did.
Perhaps he meant 10 to fifteen thousand people. It's a big range but wholly accurate if the final figure is circa 150.
What's the point of tens of thousands of people marching in support of a ceasefire in a foreign conflict, prosecuted by two sides that won't take a blind bit of notice? Then cap it off with a bit of aggro with the rozzers, hassle a prominent tory and skirmish with thr far right. Just as bad, if not worse are the far right marchers, just in it for the fighting and lols. What a fucking complete waste of time, resources and smashed in faces it all is.
One positive from yesterday, the far right can't even muster more than a couple of bus fulls of hooligans these days. There are regularly more trouble at League One / Two football matches (which is worrying, due to combination of widespread coke usage & kods gone wild after COVID).
It was a typical laftie trick, to call a march when they were all at the footie....
Suella Braverman believes she has found a way to save her party, and Britain, from Sir Keir Starmer. If, as Ministers expect, the Supreme Court rules this week that the Government's Rwanda plan is illegal, she wants Rishi Sunak to call a snap 'small boats' General Election.
'If the judges reject our plan, then at that point we have to go to the country,' a close friend of the Home Secretary explained to me. 'We have to put our case directly to the people.'
According to Braverman's allies, this high-risk, shock-and-awe strategy has been discussed with the Prime Minister's senior election adviser, Isaac Levido. 'Isaac sees the advantages. He's supportive,' they claimed.
And what about Rishi Sunak himself?
'He's not there yet. But he has to be. It's time for him to man up and grow a pair.'
Shipman has also got the "Government expect to lose the Rwanda case" line in the Funday Times. Anyone know if that's based on anything other than the government wanting the press to report that?
Leon - anything incorrect or just selective reporting that you are complaining about?
Deeply selective reporting
No mention that the pro-Palestinians were shooting fireworks at the faces of the cops, by the end
No mention of the attempted stabbings, the menacing gangs, the mobbing of Gove, the cars driving around full of people shouting at Jews
That is the summary from the Live page. If we look instead at the BBC's main story, it does mention Gove (with video), the PM condemning both sides, and the police issuing three pictures of pro-Palestine marchers they want to identify. It says there have been 188 hate crime arrests, most for antisemitic offences, since 7th October. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67390514
The only real complaint I can see about the BBC Live reporting Leon complains about is that this refers to a splinter group of pro-Palestine marchers but that is not mentioned in the summary: Officers also intercepted a group of 150. Arrests were made after some of the fireworks struck officers in the face
However scrolling down finds a fuller account which is:- Arrests made after officers struck by fireworks - police Earlier we reported that officers detained a breakaway group of about 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration.
The statement from the assistant commissioner says the group of 150 were "wearing face coverings and firing fireworks".
He says "arrests were made" after some officers were struck in the face with fireworks.
His statement adds that the Met will be publishing images people suspected to have committed offences, such as showing support for UK proscribed terrorist organisations, including Hamas.
And earlier than that, where it becomes clear the BBC reporters did not see this first-hand:-
We've had another update from the Metropolitan Police to say that officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration.
The group in Grosvenor Place in Belgravia were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings, the force says in a post on X, formerly Twitter.
Officers are detaining and searching those involved under Section 60 and 60AA powers, the Met adds.
The Met is using the word detained in its statement, but this may not be the same as being arrested. BBC News is asking the Met for more information.
Channel 4 news partiality, or lack of it, is certainly not a surprise. It’s becoming a bit of a left of centre GB News.
There was a group of casuals detained by the police yesterday to prevent a breach of the peace.
People who call all casuals neo nazi or far right are wrong. Some will be.
Most just turn up for,a ruck and a pissup. They were even brawling among themselves. Their politics goes across the whole spectrum. They just like a tear up.
I'm amused by the way Linekar and others are complaining about them being called "Football Hooligans". Their clubs might not have been playing, but they are organised through the diseased sport he earns millions from us to speak cr@p about.
My son and his U15 team play every week, they train twice a week. Every weekend hundreds of thousands of mostly young people give their all, getting fresh air and exercise and learning about teamwork and dedication. Millions watch games, enjoying the excitement and spectacle of a beautiful game that enjoys global appeal. A few frustrated, angry, violent men who attach themselves to the game for the purpose of violence do not represent it. Diseased sport my arse.
Josias has an irrational hatred of our national game, and knows sod all about it. He is best ignored on this topic.
Yes, there's an areshole element in every population, so no surprise they occur amongst footballers and fans.
Leon - anything incorrect or just selective reporting that you are complaining about?
Deeply selective reporting
No mention that the pro-Palestinians were shooting fireworks at the faces of the cops, by the end
No mention of the attempted stabbings, the menacing gangs, the mobbing of Gove, the cars driving around full of people shouting at Jews
That is the summary from the Live page. If we look instead at the BBC's main story, it does mention Gove (with video), the PM condemning both sides, and the police issuing three pictures of pro-Palestine marchers they want to identify. It says there have been 188 hate crime arrests, most for antisemitic offences, since 7th October. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67390514
The only real complaint I can see about the BBC Live reporting Leon complains about is that this refers to a splinter group of pro-Palestine marchers but that is not mentioned in the summary: Officers also intercepted a group of 150. Arrests were made after some of the fireworks struck officers in the face
However scrolling down finds a fuller account which is:- Arrests made after officers struck by fireworks - police Earlier we reported that officers detained a breakaway group of about 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration.
The statement from the assistant commissioner says the group of 150 were "wearing face coverings and firing fireworks".
He says "arrests were made" after some officers were struck in the face with fireworks.
His statement adds that the Met will be publishing images people suspected to have committed offences, such as showing support for UK proscribed terrorist organisations, including Hamas.
And earlier than that, where it becomes clear the BBC reporters did not see this first-hand:-
We've had another update from the Metropolitan Police to say that officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration.
The group in Grosvenor Place in Belgravia were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings, the force says in a post on X, formerly Twitter.
Officers are detaining and searching those involved under Section 60 and 60AA powers, the Met adds.
The Met is using the word detained in its statement, but this may not be the same as being arrested. BBC News is asking the Met for more information.
Channel 4 news partiality, or lack of it, is certainly not a surprise. It’s becoming a bit of a left of centre GB News.
There was a group of casuals detained by the police yesterday to prevent a breach of the peace.
People who call all casuals neo nazi or far right are wrong. Some will be.
Most just turn up for,a ruck and a pissup. They were even brawling among themselves. Their politics goes across the whole spectrum. They just like a tear up.
I'm amused by the way Linekar and others are complaining about them being called "Football Hooligans". Their clubs might not have been playing, but they are organised through the diseased sport he earns millions from us to speak cr@p about.
My son and his U15 team play every week, they train twice a week. Every weekend hundreds of thousands of mostly young people give their all, getting fresh air and exercise and learning about teamwork and dedication. Millions watch games, enjoying the excitement and spectacle of a beautiful game that enjoys global appeal. A few frustrated, angry, violent men who attach themselves to the game for the purpose of violence do not represent it. Diseased sport my arse.
LOL. It is diseased. Just look at the massive level of corruption within it, and the amount of riots and fights that are generated. The casual and real racism shown all too often at grounds.
It is not a 'beautiful game'. It may have been at one stage; but money has corrupted it.
A friend of mine in the Marines told me that in Portsmouth men go to pubs just to pick fights with the off-duty Marines there. Apparently, there's a sub-culture where it's considered cool to have beaten up a Commando. And when the police are called they'll almost always give the Marines a pass and arrest the others, many of whom they know well, and some of whom have surprisingly high-powered jobs during the week.
Any time you get a bunch of young men together, especially with alcohol and machismo involved, aggression and fighting will follow, especially now there's no big war in this country for them to vent their rage. There's a reason 90% of our prisoners are young or middle-aged men. And whenever money is involved, corruption is likely to follow. So, yes, professional or semi-professional football is a sewer, the Twitter of sports, but if it weren't that, it'd be something else.
I see this morning that the police put the group letting off fireworks yesterday at 150. So much for @Leon's tens of thousands. And @Casino_Royale thinks @Leon's hysterical reporting was reliable.
So higher than the number of hooligans arrested yet?
@Leon was right. It reflects badly on too many posters on here that they don't have the humility or integrity to admit it.
??? Tens of thousands compared to 150 makes @leon right? Honestly some people will defend any old nonsense.
Given the majority of the casuals went for a ruck (many of whom would be happy to have a go at plod) but the majority of the pro Hamas/pro gaza/pro ceasefire/anti Israel marchers/supporters didn’t then it is no surprise that the numbers are proportionally different. Leon’s point on the reporting was not unreasonable.
@leon claimed there were tens of thousands letting off fireworks. How is that reasonable and not hysterical?
I didn’t see the precise wording, but it could have been “a group of tens of thousands letting off fireworks”
Ie multiple fireworks let off by a large group vs tens of thousands letting off fireworks individually but in the same location
Suella Braverman believes she has found a way to save her party, and Britain, from Sir Keir Starmer. If, as Ministers expect, the Supreme Court rules this week that the Government's Rwanda plan is illegal, she wants Rishi Sunak to call a snap 'small boats' General Election.
'If the judges reject our plan, then at that point we have to go to the country,' a close friend of the Home Secretary explained to me. 'We have to put our case directly to the people.'
According to Braverman's allies, this high-risk, shock-and-awe strategy has been discussed with the Prime Minister's senior election adviser, Isaac Levido. 'Isaac sees the advantages. He's supportive,' they claimed.
And what about Rishi Sunak himself?
'He's not there yet. But he has to be. It's time for him to man up and grow a pair.'
A complete pack of lies from the BBC. You'd never even know there was violence on the pro-Palestinian side
"Police estimate 300,000 pro-Palestinian protesters calling for a Gaza ceasefire have marched in central London, in the biggest UK rally since the Israel-Gaza war began
More than 100 counter-protesters have been arrested including a large number in Pimlico, near the protest route, the Met Police says
Officers earlier faced aggression from some of the counter-protesters - who include some far-right groups - near the Cenotaph war memorial, police say
Video shows counter-protesters shoving police officers and chanting: "You're not English anymore"
Rishi Sunak says criminality disrespects the armed forces - as he condemns violent scenes
The PM condemned "EDL thugs" for attacking police officers and also protesters "singing antisemitic chants"
Met Police say nine officers were injured – two of them needing hospital treatment for a broken elbow and dislocated hip
At 11:00, hundreds of people gathered at the Cenotaph to observe two minutes of silence and commemorate the UK's war dead"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67390514 …Separately, the Met criticised the actions of "breakaway groups behaving in an intimidating manner" at the end of the pro-Palestinian march, and said arrests were made after fireworks struck officers in the face. It also issued photos of three individuals it suspects of antisemitic hate crimes during the march...
@Leon is a journalist, so never likes the truth get in the way of a story.
Leon - anything incorrect or just selective reporting that you are complaining about?
Deeply selective reporting
No mention that the pro-Palestinians were shooting fireworks at the faces of the cops, by the end
No mention of the attempted stabbings, the menacing gangs, the mobbing of Gove, the cars driving around full of people shouting at Jews
That is the summary from the Live page. If we look instead at the BBC's main story, it does mention Gove (with video), the PM condemning both sides, and the police issuing three pictures of pro-Palestine marchers they want to identify. It says there have been 188 hate crime arrests, most for antisemitic offences, since 7th October. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67390514
The only real complaint I can see about the BBC Live reporting Leon complains about is that this refers to a splinter group of pro-Palestine marchers but that is not mentioned in the summary: Officers also intercepted a group of 150. Arrests were made after some of the fireworks struck officers in the face
However scrolling down finds a fuller account which is:- Arrests made after officers struck by fireworks - police Earlier we reported that officers detained a breakaway group of about 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration.
The statement from the assistant commissioner says the group of 150 were "wearing face coverings and firing fireworks".
He says "arrests were made" after some officers were struck in the face with fireworks.
His statement adds that the Met will be publishing images people suspected to have committed offences, such as showing support for UK proscribed terrorist organisations, including Hamas.
And earlier than that, where it becomes clear the BBC reporters did not see this first-hand:-
We've had another update from the Metropolitan Police to say that officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration.
The group in Grosvenor Place in Belgravia were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings, the force says in a post on X, formerly Twitter.
Officers are detaining and searching those involved under Section 60 and 60AA powers, the Met adds.
The Met is using the word detained in its statement, but this may not be the same as being arrested. BBC News is asking the Met for more information.
Channel 4 news partiality, or lack of it, is certainly not a surprise. It’s becoming a bit of a left of centre GB News.
There was a group of casuals detained by the police yesterday to prevent a breach of the peace.
People who call all casuals neo nazi or far right are wrong. Some will be.
Most just turn up for,a ruck and a pissup. They were even brawling among themselves. Their politics goes across the whole spectrum. They just like a tear up.
I'm amused by the way Linekar and others are complaining about them being called "Football Hooligans". Their clubs might not have been playing, but they are organised through the diseased sport he earns millions from us to speak cr@p about.
My son and his U15 team play every week, they train twice a week. Every weekend hundreds of thousands of mostly young people give their all, getting fresh air and exercise and learning about teamwork and dedication. Millions watch games, enjoying the excitement and spectacle of a beautiful game that enjoys global appeal. A few frustrated, angry, violent men who attach themselves to the game for the purpose of violence do not represent it. Diseased sport my arse.
Josias has an irrational hatred of our national game, and knows sod all about it. He is best ignored on this topic.
Yes, there's an areshole element in every population, so no surprise they occur amongst footballers and fans.
Oddly don’t get the same at rugby and home and away fans mingle happily.
Defenders of football need to ask why Bath vs Gloucester can have fans mixed, drinking together but Portsmouth vs Southampton cannot. Ther3 is something ‘off’ with football. The behaviour towards refs at both the highest level and sadly at kids level too.
I love both sports, but there is a wilful blindness about the bad aspects of football from those in and around the game.
'From the river to the sea. We will be free' is first and foremost a brilliant slogan. It is little wonder there is such a battle going on over it's use. Apart from it's catchiness and conjuring up notes of MLK and Mandela it also cuts to the heart of the problem.
Can Israel continue to exist as an apartheid state or will it be forced give equality to all racial grouping under its domination?
I see this morning that the police put the group letting off fireworks yesterday at 150. So much for @Leon's tens of thousands. And @Casino_Royale thinks @Leon's hysterical reporting was reliable.
So higher than the number of hooligans arrested yet?
@Leon was right. It reflects badly on too many posters on here that they don't have the humility or integrity to admit it.
??? Tens of thousands compared to 150 makes @leon right? Honestly some people will defend any old nonsense.
Given the majority of the casuals went for a ruck (many of whom would be happy to have a go at plod) but the majority of the pro Hamas/pro gaza/pro ceasefire/anti Israel marchers/supporters didn’t then it is no surprise that the numbers are proportionally different. Leon’s point on the reporting was not unreasonable.
Yes, and neither was it inaccurate - low thousands of people shouting genocidal slogans or calling for Holy War might not directly meet the threshold for arrest, but it's still deeply disturbing, problematic and highly intimating to the Jewish community.
I agree and when you have people trying to mitigate this sort of behaviour it’s deeply worrying too.
One hopes that the met will put effort into tracking her down and prosecuting her.
That’s possibly the worst hate crime I’ve seen. It’s so bold and stark.
Also, judging purely by her accented English, she might be an immigrant? If that is the case I’d look at revoking her right to remain. Her attitude is completely incompatible with our values
Suella Braverman believes she has found a way to save her party, and Britain, from Sir Keir Starmer. If, as Ministers expect, the Supreme Court rules this week that the Government's Rwanda plan is illegal, she wants Rishi Sunak to call a snap 'small boats' General Election.
'If the judges reject our plan, then at that point we have to go to the country,' a close friend of the Home Secretary explained to me. 'We have to put our case directly to the people.'
According to Braverman's allies, this high-risk, shock-and-awe strategy has been discussed with the Prime Minister's senior election adviser, Isaac Levido. 'Isaac sees the advantages. He's supportive,' they claimed.
And what about Rishi Sunak himself?
'He's not there yet. But he has to be. It's time for him to man up and grow a pair.'
It really should be easy enough to condemn the anti-Semitic, pogrom-celebrators and the many other useful idiots who provide cover for them; as well as the pissed-up, pilled-up, far-right thugs who Braverman gave licence to, and Sunak’s weakness in the face of her incitement encouraged.
If you went on the Palestine march yesterday, you went in the knowledge that others going would be calling for Jihad, the massacre of Jews and the destruction of Israel. You knew that this would cause huge upset to a large number of Jewish people. You didn’t care. That gives you a degree of complicity. And anyone on the march who saw the banners and heard the cries and did nothing loses the degree. They are entirely complicit.
As for Braverman, she knew no march was planned for today, she knew the actual march was going nowhere near the Cenotaph, she had been briefed by the police and clearly advised about the importance of lowering the temperature. She didn’t care because she saw an opportunity. And Sunak did nothing. Pathetic.
Following from the last thread, apparently Nige is going on that stupid I'm a Celeb show. I am sure the producers and the public will have lots of fun making him eat Kangaroo bollocks and all that nonsense. Not exactly what a potential leader of a political party does.
Farage is a general 10 or 12/1 shot which might be value if he is as popular as GB News thinks he is. I've never watched the show so have no idea what he'd have to do in order to win.
No bet
You’ve the risk of a bunch of anti-Nige people doing a pile on in voting
But do they want him off to show their virtue by voting against him, or do they want him on being tormented?
Both
He’ll probably come second
Matt Hancock was third last year. Though Nadine Dorries was the first to be eliminated when she did it, as was Robert Kilroy-Silk.
But blimey. It's being going since 2002.
As Farage gets YET ANOTHER foul challenge (voting is going to be a kind of catharsis for Remainers), there will be plenty of Ant and Dec's jolly "good evening, Prime Minister..."
Leon - anything incorrect or just selective reporting that you are complaining about?
Deeply selective reporting
No mention that the pro-Palestinians were shooting fireworks at the faces of the cops, by the end
No mention of the attempted stabbings, the menacing gangs, the mobbing of Gove, the cars driving around full of people shouting at Jews
That is the summary from the Live page. If we look instead at the BBC's main story, it does mention Gove (with video), the PM condemning both sides, and the police issuing three pictures of pro-Palestine marchers they want to identify. It says there have been 188 hate crime arrests, most for antisemitic offences, since 7th October. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67390514
The only real complaint I can see about the BBC Live reporting Leon complains about is that this refers to a splinter group of pro-Palestine marchers but that is not mentioned in the summary: Officers also intercepted a group of 150. Arrests were made after some of the fireworks struck officers in the face
However scrolling down finds a fuller account which is:- Arrests made after officers struck by fireworks - police Earlier we reported that officers detained a breakaway group of about 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration.
The statement from the assistant commissioner says the group of 150 were "wearing face coverings and firing fireworks".
He says "arrests were made" after some officers were struck in the face with fireworks.
His statement adds that the Met will be publishing images people suspected to have committed offences, such as showing support for UK proscribed terrorist organisations, including Hamas.
And earlier than that, where it becomes clear the BBC reporters did not see this first-hand:-
We've had another update from the Metropolitan Police to say that officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration.
The group in Grosvenor Place in Belgravia were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings, the force says in a post on X, formerly Twitter.
Officers are detaining and searching those involved under Section 60 and 60AA powers, the Met adds.
The Met is using the word detained in its statement, but this may not be the same as being arrested. BBC News is asking the Met for more information.
Channel 4 news partiality, or lack of it, is certainly not a surprise. It’s becoming a bit of a left of centre GB News.
There was a group of casuals detained by the police yesterday to prevent a breach of the peace.
People who call all casuals neo nazi or far right are wrong. Some will be.
Most just turn up for,a ruck and a pissup. They were even brawling among themselves. Their politics goes across the whole spectrum. They just like a tear up.
I'm amused by the way Linekar and others are complaining about them being called "Football Hooligans". Their clubs might not have been playing, but they are organised through the diseased sport he earns millions from us to speak cr@p about.
My son and his U15 team play every week, they train twice a week. Every weekend hundreds of thousands of mostly young people give their all, getting fresh air and exercise and learning about teamwork and dedication. Millions watch games, enjoying the excitement and spectacle of a beautiful game that enjoys global appeal. A few frustrated, angry, violent men who attach themselves to the game for the purpose of violence do not represent it. Diseased sport my arse.
Josias has an irrational hatred of our national game, and knows sod all about it. He is best ignored on this topic.
There’s a massive difference between Grass roots soccer and soccer at the FIFA level which is exactly as JJ says.
The front pages after the big demo – politicalbetting.com
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"Police estimate 300,000 pro-Palestinian protesters calling for a Gaza ceasefire have marched in central London, in the biggest UK rally since the Israel-Gaza war began
More than 100 counter-protesters have been arrested including a large number in Pimlico, near the protest route, the Met Police says
Officers earlier faced aggression from some of the counter-protesters - who include some far-right groups - near the Cenotaph war memorial, police say
Video shows counter-protesters shoving police officers and chanting: "You're not English anymore"
Rishi Sunak says criminality disrespects the armed forces - as he condemns violent scenes
The PM condemned "EDL thugs" for attacking police officers and also protesters "singing antisemitic chants"
Met Police say nine officers were injured – two of them needing hospital treatment for a broken elbow and dislocated hip
At 11:00, hundreds of people gathered at the Cenotaph to observe two minutes of silence and commemorate the UK's war dead"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-67390343
No mention that the pro-Palestinians were shooting fireworks at the faces of the cops, by the end
No mention of the attempted stabbings, the menacing gangs, the mobbing of Gove, the cars driving around full of people shouting at Jews
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67390514
Officers also intercepted a group of 150. Arrests were made after some of the fireworks struck officers in the face
However scrolling down finds a fuller account which is:-
Arrests made after officers struck by fireworks - police
Earlier we reported that officers detained a breakaway group of about 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration.
The statement from the assistant commissioner says the group of 150 were "wearing face coverings and firing fireworks".
He says "arrests were made" after some officers were struck in the face with fireworks.
His statement adds that the Met will be publishing images people suspected to have committed offences, such as showing support for UK proscribed terrorist organisations, including Hamas.
And earlier than that, where it becomes clear the BBC reporters did not see this first-hand:-
We've had another update from the Metropolitan Police to say that officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration.
The group in Grosvenor Place in Belgravia were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings, the force says in a post on X, formerly Twitter.
Officers are detaining and searching those involved under Section 60 and 60AA powers, the Met adds.
The Met is using the word detained in its statement, but this may not be the same as being arrested. BBC News is asking the Met for more information.
Royal British Legion says public supported appeal as usual with no evidence volunteers were targeted
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/nov/11/police-misleading-reports-attacks-on-poppy-sellers
The Veterans minister has claimed hundreds of pounds on expenses for 20 snaps of himself taken by photo agencies, which he’s used on his website and on campaign leaflets
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-minister-johnny-mercer-told-31415687
https://twitter.com/Vanguard_WW2/status/1723258245140054111
What a shock !
https://x.com/metpoliceuk/status/1723462648577081629?s=61&t=s0ae0IFncdLS1Dc7J0P_TQ
https://x.com/channel4news/status/1723437597232386241?s=61&t=s0ae0IFncdLS1Dc7J0P_TQ
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1723429646283210913?t=vF2sKBk0Njp5r60kwfnSyQ&s=19
C4 news not showing much impartiality. May not be a surprise to some.
Their replacement tweet wasn't much better. "'vast-majority' of arrests were from Far-Right"
https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1723437597232386241?t=lGwHKhAXSeJrojOycn9FnA&s=19
Not sure if the police just detained this group causing danger or then arrested them.
https://twitter.com/metpoliceuk/status/1723420872403296605?t=qITlUix61E6Jr2ihzRRuVg&s=19
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There was a group of casuals detained by the police yesterday to prevent a breach of the peace.
People who call all casuals neo nazi or far right are wrong. Some will be.
Most just turn up for,a ruck and a pissup. They were even brawling among themselves. Their politics goes across the whole spectrum. They just like a tear up.
A long day remembering the fallen finishing tonight alone at Thiepval looking stunning in the clear night air.
#ArmisticeDay @CWGC #cheshire #ww1
https://twitter.com/cheshire1418/status/1723448756924768764?t=-7gbX-7_JDEPPt3Q36LB8Q&s=19
Had she not wound people up by her statements earlier in the week, many of the morons wouldn't have shown up- they are too dumb to work it out by themselves.
Then the focus would have been on the proPalestinian march; how much the fringe of that went too far, whether the core message was sensible.
Instead, the focus is understandably on the worst behaviour by the worst people, which was Team Tommy.
The very day that Allied (specifically Free Polish) forces retook the gate, and while fighting was continuing in other parts of Ypres, the ceremonies restarted.
It is not a 'beautiful game'. It may have been at one stage; but money has corrupted it.
Edit: and it's not just at the top level. See this from a few months ago.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/14/non-league-football-team-walk-off-over-racial-abuse
Or this:
https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/23859762.racist-comments-made-sheringham-football-club-player/
etc, etc.
You’ve the risk of a bunch of anti-Nige people doing a pile on in voting
But do they want him off to show their virtue by voting against him, or do they want him on being tormented?
But far worse happened, and was cheerfully shrugged off, in the 70s and 80s.
He’ll probably come second
But blimey. It's being going since 2002.
rTommeh who fucked off in a cab pretty early in the day. Turned up for a photo op and to massage brand tommeh to the fools who think he’s something to aspire to or support then off he goes. Probably to join his fellow Luton fans drinking a pub dry of cheap lager.
Many would have gone anyway.
It is foolish to assume all casuals are unintelligent. Many are not. My former boss, an FD at a medium size manufacturer was regularly getting into brawls and all day pissups. Many of his fellow casuals were also in decent jobs. They just loved the adrenaline surge. Only stopped after his wife gave him an ultimatum.
But no way to really predict
No surprises to see the DM continue its operation of Save Suella .
Not a day to be really proud of yesterday, was it? Although I’m glad the march for a ceasefire in Gaza passed off reasonably peacefully.
Let us hope that everything passes off peacefully today.
@Leon was right. It reflects badly on too many posters on here that they don't have the humility or integrity to admit it.
It was the fifth to have taken place since the October 7 massacre perpetrated by Hamas in Israel but by far the most violent, with 126 arrests by 9.10pm and nine police officers injured. Last Saturday the number of arrests totalled 29.
Although the vast majority of those arrested were far-right counter-protesters, Michael Gove, the communities secretary, had to be bundled into a police van for his own safety after he was confronted by dozens of pro-Palestine activists while walking through Victoria station in central London.
I'm glad the EDL's hairless Blutos earlier in the day got shown up as the thugs that they were of course.
My impression yesterday evening was the same one I had after the 2017 election; while so many profess to care about ‘all forms of racism’, when it comes to antisemitism the vast majority simply don’t care, for the sake of political and administrative expediency. It seems particularly true for those of comparatively younger generations and does not bode well for the future.
Braverman should not be the Home Secretary for the same multiple reasons she should never have been appointed by Sunak in the first place. But when this particular stopped clock describes the demonstration as a ‘Hate March’ more righteous anger seems to have been directed at her than at those rejoicing in the deliberate and calculated mutilation, torture and incineration of Jewish Israeli civilians.
Is our political climate so football-team-partisan that bogeymen can’t be on both sides?
While we are all busy obliging the Home Secretary by making her the focal point of this story, what are Jews in London to do? I say this as someone who wants demonstrations such as these to be allowed to go ahead but when a particular community is so singled out and intimidated what is the solution?
Mr. Waters, I'm not well-versed in the law but would've thought shooting fireworks at police an offence worthy of arrest.
Opposition parties have been joined by Tory MPs of the liberal persuasion in recoiling in disgust at the deliberately inflammatory provocations of Suella Braverman. “Mad” and “bad” are among the descriptions to be heard from moderate Tories. They’re pressing Rishi Sunak to get a pair of cojones and fire her, both for what she has done and for defying Number 10’s instructions not to do it.
Unforgivably, in the eyes of many in her own party as well as many outside it, she has sought to undermine the police and fundamental principles of the free society. Sir Tom Winsor, the chief inspector of constabulary during the time of four previous Conservative home secretaries, had it right when he said that Ms Braverman had crossed a sacrosanct line: “It’s unprecedented. It’s contrary to the spirit of the ancient constitutional settlement with the police… A home secretary of all people is not the person to do this.”
The question for the prime minister is how much longer he can tolerate a recklessly irresponsible and serially disloyal home secretary who can never see division without wanting to fan its flames in the cynical pursuit of her own ambitions.
It is his own fault that Mr Sunak faces this question. Mr Sunak brought her back, not because he thought she had the character and qualities to be a capable home secretary, but because he made a desperate bargain with her in the belief that he needed the support of the party’s hard right to secure the Tory leadership. Mr Sunak must surely now see that she is inside the tent pissing all over him.
...says one former Conservative cabinet minister. “If Rishi doesn’t sack her, he will be permanently weakened.” The question facing all Tories, especially the party’s more moderate MPs and members, is whether they want their party to become defined by Ms Braverman’s toxic brand of politics. There is no doubt there are some votes in being an unashamedly and explicitly “nasty party”, but history suggests there will never be enough backers for it to win an election in Britain.
Note what I said yesterday.
Disappointing.
Trebles all 'round.
https://x.com/ukreloaded/status/1723487436943089908?s=61&t=s0ae0IFncdLS1Dc7J0P_TQ
Let me admit one other thing I got wrong (show you how it's done): up until about 9am yesterday I thought The March was planned *for today* to clash with the main Rememberance Sunday event, and the mass march past the cenotaph by thousands of veterans. I got that wrong and felt pretty silly about it - although I bet I wasn't the only one. Mea culpa.
You?
Yet you defend @leon for getting it hysterical wrong by a massive factor and ranting all night about it.
Pathetic defence this morning.
Hats off to you.
Someone at the BBC enjoying themselves putting Chakrabarti on with Nadine - a day for the shameless...
'If the judges reject our plan, then at that point we have to go to the country,' a close friend of the Home Secretary explained to me. 'We have to put our case directly to the people.'
According to Braverman's allies, this high-risk, shock-and-awe strategy has been discussed with the Prime Minister's senior election adviser, Isaac Levido. 'Isaac sees the advantages. He's supportive,' they claimed.
And what about Rishi Sunak himself?
'He's not there yet. But he has to be. It's time for him to man up and grow a pair.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-12738393/DAN-HODGES-snap-Election-judges-veto-Rwanda-plan-Surely-better-year-drift-decay.html
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67390514
…Separately, the Met criticised the actions of "breakaway groups behaving in an intimidating manner" at the end of the pro-Palestinian march, and said arrests were made after fireworks struck officers in the face.
It also issued photos of three individuals it suspects of antisemitic hate crimes during the march...
These are usually sliding scale depending on how long they remain in. If he is out early doors he may snot get too much.
Leon did say ten to fifteen thousand people. Love to admit I was wrong, but I'm not. He said it. He did.
There are regularly more trouble at League One / Two football matches (which is worrying, due to combination of widespread coke usage & kods gone wild after COVID).
No shortage of far right keyboard warriors to back them up from safety.
Any time you get a bunch of young men together, especially with alcohol and machismo involved, aggression and fighting will follow, especially now there's no big war in this country for them to vent their rage. There's a reason 90% of our prisoners are young or middle-aged men. And whenever money is involved, corruption is likely to follow. So, yes, professional or semi-professional football is a sewer, the Twitter of sports, but if it weren't that, it'd be something else.
Ie multiple fireworks let off by a large group vs tens of thousands letting off fireworks individually but in the same location
Defenders of football need to ask why Bath vs Gloucester can have fans mixed, drinking together but Portsmouth vs Southampton cannot. Ther3 is something ‘off’ with football. The behaviour towards refs at both the highest level and sadly at kids level too.
I love both sports, but there is a wilful blindness about the bad aspects of football from those in and around the game.
Can Israel continue to exist as an apartheid state or will it be forced give equality to all racial grouping under its domination?
That’s possibly the worst hate crime I’ve seen. It’s so bold and stark.
Also, judging purely by her accented English, she might be an immigrant? If that is the case I’d look at revoking her right to remain. Her attitude is completely incompatible with our values
If you went on the Palestine march yesterday, you went in the knowledge that others going would be calling for Jihad, the massacre of Jews and the destruction of Israel. You knew that this would cause huge upset to a large number of Jewish people. You didn’t care. That gives you a degree of complicity. And anyone on the march who saw the banners and heard the cries and did nothing loses the degree. They are entirely complicit.
As for Braverman, she knew no march was planned for today, she knew the actual march was going nowhere near the Cenotaph, she had been briefed by the police and clearly advised about the importance of lowering the temperature. She didn’t care because she saw an opportunity. And Sunak did nothing. Pathetic.