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A sure case of Madness under Obama:
http://www.defensenews.com/article/20141103/DEFREG02/311030008?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
No wonder the President is despised by the US military.0 -
Yay, some figures I produced the other day have been retweeted by Labour MP Gemma Doyle:
https://twitter.com/GemmaWDMP0 -
Has be blocked you on twitter or sworn at you?michaelcollins10 said:On topic.
The problem with the Bristol mayor(*) is that he has too much power over too small an area, he can't make strategic decisions over transport but has personal responsibility for everything from bin collection to child protection.
This idea actually looks quite good, not least because the local councils have a strong record of cooperation over issues like transport (tram) etc.
* It also doesn't help that he's an egomaniac.
Revised rules from June make it more difficult for the public & councillors to ask questions on the record particularly on issues with residents' parking.
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Morris Dancer doesn't believe in 'shitty little regions'. I therefore humbly submit my application in his absence, your imp maj.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Nah, I'm just going for those places where English is either predominant or official the present time!Socrates said:
If you are happy to change history, you could always have a completely different set of places settled by the English: Argentina, Brazil, Taiwain etc.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Freedom, Fraternity, Federation!
If I had my way, and I freely confess it would have depended on an extensive amount of Alternate History along the way (particularly in regard to the USA and Ireland!), my Commonwealth of English-speaking Nations and Peoples would consist of:
* All current Commonwealth members, including external territories where relevant
* Fiji (currently suspended, of course)
* The ex-members: Ireland, Zimbabwe and the Gambia
* Hong Kong (despite the transfer, still using English in an official capacity)
Plus: The nine other nations with English as a de facto or de jure official language:
* USA! USA! USA!, and its external territories
* Palau (former US mandate)
* Micronesia (former US Mandate)
* Marshall Islands (former US Mandate)
* The Philippines
* Liberia
* Sudan
* South Sudan
* Eritrea
Plus (again!):
* The whole of the EU (those 24 countries not already mentioned above), by virtue of it being a political union, with English an official language (sneaky, I know!). Plus their current external territories, just for a bit of fun (this would apply to France, Denmark, Spain, Portugal and the Netherlands)
I would be Minister-Emperor. TSE would be my Darth Vader/Mandelson-style "enforcer"
Morris Dancer would be Governor of Yorkshire
Mike Smithson would beGovernorMayor of Bedfordshire
Corporeal would be Governor of Wales
Alan Brooke would be Governor of Northern Ireland
Neil would be Governor of Southern Ireland
Tim B would be Governor of Georgia
Sean T would be Governor of Cornwall
Isam would Governor of Essex
John O would be Governor of Surrey
Plato would be Governess of Sussex
Malcolm G would be Governor of Scotland
um, you get the picture!0 -
Mr. Herdson, I'll be King of York, ally with our Northumbrian brethren and conquer the rest of you!0
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So you're putting your fingers in your ears and singing "Russell Brand hates UKIP"?MikeK said:
My dear boy, Russel Brand hates UKIP:JonnyJimmy said:
I didn't think it would make you suddenly disagree with the comment you linked to, but thought you might prefer not to promote the views of a Russell Brand type in UKiP's ranks.MikeK said:@JonnyJimmy
Thanks for the data on Earthenware, but I must say that it doesn't in anyway detract from what she wrote on the Tories and Labour being one and the same thing.
Russell Brand Blasts BBC For 'Validating Ukip's Ideas ...
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/.../russell-brand-blasts-the-bbc-over-clacton-...
Oct 10, 2014 - Russell Brand has slammed the BBC for “validating the ridiculous ideas” of Ukip, and “collaborating” in building a narrative in which Britain's ...
Is this in preparation for quoting moonlanding-truthers and other conspiracy theory nut jobs in their support for UKIP?0 -
It's great reading pb threads some times.... only in moderation.
You can see a big section of the community electronically shaking their head and going tut tut for hours on end.
Love it! I'm joing in myself.....0 -
Being attacked by Russell Brand on politics is like being told you're not cool by Ed Miliband.0
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A few more of the Scottish constituency prices are back up at Ladbrokes (eg the Aberdeen, Dundee and the Edinburgh seats). We continue to await quite a few, however.
I'll try to have a post up on the SNP tomorrow.0 -
I'll take Lancashire...sorry serve the people of Lancashire. Capital city in Burnley. I would be proud to welcome Cumbria in to my district also.0
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Con gain Edinburgh SW at 12/1.antifrank said:A few more of the Scottish constituency prices are back up at Ladbrokes (eg the Aberdeen, Dundee and the Edinburgh seats). We continue to await quite a few, however.
I'll try to have a post up on the SNP tomorrow.
I'm on
http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/edinburgh-south-west/winning-party
I officially declare the Scottish Tory Surge has now begun.0 -
A very wise post from David Herdson. I am unsure where this idea came from that we must have referenda on local government reform. The Newcastle example is also excellent - I feel that area should also install a similar metropolitan mayor across its councils.0
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So TSE will betray you and throw you down to a fiery death at your moment of triumph?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Nah, I'm just going for those places where English is either predominant or official the present time!Socrates said:
If you are happy to change history, you could always have a completely different set of places settled by the English: Argentina, Brazil, Taiwain etc.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Freedom, Fraternity, Federation!
If I had my way, and I freely confess it would have depended on an extensive amount of Alternate History along the way (particularly in regard to the USA and Ireland!), my Commonwealth of English-speaking Nations and Peoples would consist of:
* All current Commonwealth members, including external territories where relevant
* Fiji (currently suspended, of course)
* The ex-members: Ireland, Zimbabwe and the Gambia
* Hong Kong (despite the transfer, still using English in an official capacity)
Plus: The nine other nations with English as a de facto or de jure official language:
* USA! USA! USA!, and its external territories
* Palau (former US mandate)
* Micronesia (former US Mandate)
* Marshall Islands (former US Mandate)
* The Philippines
* Liberia
* Sudan
* South Sudan
* Eritrea
Plus (again!):
* The whole of the EU (those 24 countries not already mentioned above), by virtue of it being a political union, with English an official language (sneaky, I know!). Plus their current external territories, just for a bit of fun (this would apply to France, Denmark, Spain, Portugal and the Netherlands)
I would be Minister-Emperor. TSE would be my Darth Vader/Mandelson-style "enforcer"
Morris Dancer would be Governor of Yorkshire
Mike Smithson would beGovernorMayor of Bedfordshire
Corporeal would be Governor of Wales
Alan Brooke would be Governor of Northern Ireland
Neil would be Governor of Southern Ireland
Tim B would be Governor of Georgia
Sean T would be Governor of Cornwall
Isam would Governor of Essex
John O would be Governor of Surrey
Plato would be Governess of Sussex
Malcolm G would be Governor of Scotland
um, you get the picture!0 -
Fascinating, Sunil.Sunil_Prasannan said:Regarding 9/11 theories, my gast was rather flabbered when, during my brief stay in Colorado in 2011, there was actually a debate one Sunday afternoon at University of Colorado, Boulder regarding whether or not the Twin Towers were destroyed through a controlled demolition. I decided to attend through curiosity alone, and I was surprised how civilised the debate was. There were no hecklers, no police presence, no Uni security vetting attendees. Everything went smoothly.
http://www.ae911truth.org/news/459-uc-boulder-debate.html
Was it followed by one about whether the Earth might be flat?0 -
No.Socrates said:
So TSE will betray you and throw you down to a fiery death at your moment of triumph?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Nah, I'm just going for those places where English is either predominant or official the present time!Socrates said:
If you are happy to change history, you could always have a completely different set of places settled by the English: Argentina, Brazil, Taiwain etc.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Freedom, Fraternity, Federation!
If I had my way, and I freely confess it would have depended on an extensive amount of Alternate History along the way (particularly in regard to the USA and Ireland!), my Commonwealth of English-speaking Nations and Peoples would consist of:
* All current Commonwealth members, including external territories where relevant
* Fiji (currently suspended, of course)
* The ex-members: Ireland, Zimbabwe and the Gambia
* Hong Kong (despite the transfer, still using English in an official capacity)
Plus: The nine other nations with English as a de facto or de jure official language:
* USA! USA! USA!, and its external territories
* Palau (former US mandate)
* Micronesia (former US Mandate)
* Marshall Islands (former US Mandate)
* The Philippines
* Liberia
* Sudan
* South Sudan
* Eritrea
Plus (again!):
* The whole of the EU (those 24 countries not already mentioned above), by virtue of it being a political union, with English an official language (sneaky, I know!). Plus their current external territories, just for a bit of fun (this would apply to France, Denmark, Spain, Portugal and the Netherlands)
I would be Minister-Emperor. TSE would be my Darth Vader/Mandelson-style "enforcer"
Morris Dancer would be Governor of Yorkshire
Mike Smithson would beGovernorMayor of Bedfordshire
Corporeal would be Governor of Wales
Alan Brooke would be Governor of Northern Ireland
Neil would be Governor of Southern Ireland
Tim B would be Governor of Georgia
Sean T would be Governor of Cornwall
Isam would Governor of Essex
John O would be Governor of Surrey
Plato would be Governess of Sussex
Malcolm G would be Governor of Scotland
um, you get the picture!
Because Emperor Palpatine didn't die on the Second Death Star.
He knew Darth Vader would betray him, so he made a clone of himself and used that.
I may or may not have ruined Episodes VII to IX for some.0 -
shadsy has a very hard job with these seats in particular. I'm glad I don't have his job for that task.TheScreamingEagles said:
Con gain Edinburgh SW at 12/1.antifrank said:A few more of the Scottish constituency prices are back up at Ladbrokes (eg the Aberdeen, Dundee and the Edinburgh seats). We continue to await quite a few, however.
I'll try to have a post up on the SNP tomorrow.
I'm on
http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/edinburgh-south-west/winning-party
I officially declare the Scottish Tory Surge has now begun.
I would have priced a couple of constituencies differently, but I need to wait until I'm home to place bets accordingly.
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He's been named just nowAndyJS said:I find it astonishing that the 16 year old who has just been jailed for life with a 20 year recommendation for the murder of schoolteacher Ann Maguire hasn't been named:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29879865
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/03/ann-maguire-killer-named-will-cornick-judge-lifts-reporting-restrictions0 -
Oooh
Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft
In the Ashcroft National Poll released at 4pm one party records it's lowest vote share since I started the ANP0 -
An ancestor of mine was Constable of the Tower, so if the good Emperor Sunil will do the necessary, I will be grateful. And Master of the Royal Mint!! Nice work if you can get it!Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Herdson, I'll be King of York, ally with our Northumbrian brethren and conquer the rest of you!
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Greater Manchester already has the higher tier of local government. The statutory Greater Manchester Combined Authority exists and is just waiting for a high profile leader. Further, although the City of Manchester rejected an elected mayor, the City of Salford accepted one. So which previous vote should carry most weight or create a precedent? This is a different proposal from what happened two years ago. In this proposal, one can make a case either for a referendum or not - looking backwards is irrelevant.0
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Whilst I was in Scotland last week, I heard stuff that the Nats might fight under a "Nat Alliance" banner.antifrank said:
shadsy has a very hard job with these seats in particular. I'm glad I don't have his job for that task.TheScreamingEagles said:
Con gain Edinburgh SW at 12/1.antifrank said:A few more of the Scottish constituency prices are back up at Ladbrokes (eg the Aberdeen, Dundee and the Edinburgh seats). We continue to await quite a few, however.
I'll try to have a post up on the SNP tomorrow.
I'm on
http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/edinburgh-south-west/winning-party
I officially declare the Scottish Tory Surge has now begun.
I would have priced a couple of constituencies differently, but I need to wait until I'm home to place bets accordingly.
One of the consequences of that might be Unionists back whomever is best placed to defeat the Nats.
I feel sorry for Shadsy on this, it makes pricing Scotland and the election as a whole a nightmare.0 -
£1 on Con please.TheScreamingEagles said:Oooh
Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft
In the Ashcroft National Poll released at 4pm one party records it's lowest vote share since I started the ANP0 -
He'd be doing well to break even on the individual constituencies. They're done pretty much for PR and to bring punters in to his more lucrative markets.antifrank said:
shadsy has a very hard job with these seats in particular. I'm glad I don't have his job for that task.TheScreamingEagles said:
Con gain Edinburgh SW at 12/1.antifrank said:A few more of the Scottish constituency prices are back up at Ladbrokes (eg the Aberdeen, Dundee and the Edinburgh seats). We continue to await quite a few, however.
I'll try to have a post up on the SNP tomorrow.
I'm on
http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/edinburgh-south-west/winning-party
I officially declare the Scottish Tory Surge has now begun.
I would have priced a couple of constituencies differently, but I need to wait until I'm home to place bets accordingly.
Like most of the Majors, Lads did pretty well on the Scottish Referendum - but that was largely because they took a definite view and stuck with it. Must have been pretty scary at times.
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£1 on Labour to match, void if other - want to take thatTGOHF said:
£1 on Con please.TheScreamingEagles said:Oooh
Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft
In the Ashcroft National Poll released at 4pm one party records it's lowest vote share since I started the ANP ? (Evens match bet)
It's either Labour or the Lib Dems have hit new lows, but I rather suspect Labour.0 -
Welcome FeatherPlucker! Shouldn't you be PheasantPlucker?0
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Could be any one of 6 to be honest - total turkey shootPulpstar said:
£1 on Labour to match, void if other - want to take thatTGOHF said:
£1 on Con please.TheScreamingEagles said:Oooh
Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft
In the Ashcroft National Poll released at 4pm one party records it's lowest vote share since I started the ANP ? (Evens match bet)
It's either Labour or the Lib Dems have hit new lows, but I rather suspect Labour.
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PS Yes - we can continue double or quitsing until its like 3 figures or somethingPulpstar said:
£1 on Labour to match, void if other - want to take thatTGOHF said:
£1 on Con please.TheScreamingEagles said:Oooh
Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft
In the Ashcroft National Poll released at 4pm one party records it's lowest vote share since I started the ANP ? (Evens match bet)
It's either Labour or the Lib Dems have hit new lows, but I rather suspect Labour. 0 -
Well the lowest share with Ashcroft for the four major parties are as followsTGOHF said:
£1 on Con please.TheScreamingEagles said:Oooh
Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft
In the Ashcroft National Poll released at 4pm one party records it's lowest vote share since I started the ANP
Con 25, Lab 30, LD 6, UKIP 14
The Poll last week was Con 31, Lab 31, LD 7, UKIP 18
So if the Tories break their record, they need to fall 7% in a week, for Lab it is 2%, for the Lib Dems 2% and UKIP it is 5
So I reckon it is either Lab or the LDs0 -
One interesting consequence of the Manchester Mayoralty is that Manchester statistically will become Second City, which will help it promote itself. Population: 2.7m. (City of) Birmingham population: 1.1m0
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Thats a fair deal ^_~TGOHF said:
PS Yes - we can continue double or quitsing until its like 3 figures or somethingPulpstar said:
£1 on Labour to match, void if other - want to take thatTGOHF said:
£1 on Con please.TheScreamingEagles said:Oooh
Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft
In the Ashcroft National Poll released at 4pm one party records it's lowest vote share since I started the ANP ? (Evens match bet)
It's either Labour or the Lib Dems have hit new lows, but I rather suspect Labour.0 -
I agree, Labour or LD's.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well the lowest share with Ashcroft for the four major parties are as followsTGOHF said:
£1 on Con please.TheScreamingEagles said:Oooh
Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft
In the Ashcroft National Poll released at 4pm one party records it's lowest vote share since I started the ANP
Con 25, Lab 30, LD 6, UKIP 14
The Poll last week was Con 31, Lab 31, LD 7, UKIP 18
So if the Tories break their record, they need to fall 7% in a week, for Lab it is 2%, for the Lib Dems 2% and UKIP it is 5
So I reckon it is either Lab or the LDs0 -
Lib Dems on 5?0
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Application accepteddavid_herdson said:
Morris Dancer doesn't believe in 'shitty little regions'. I therefore humbly submit my application in his absence, your imp maj.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Nah, I'm just going for those places where English is either predominant or official the present time!Socrates said:
If you are happy to change history, you could always have a completely different set of places settled by the English: Argentina, Brazil, Taiwain etc.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Freedom, Fraternity, Federation!
If I had my way, and I freely confess it would have depended on an extensive amount of Alternate History along the way (particularly in regard to the USA and Ireland!), my Commonwealth of English-speaking Nations and Peoples would consist of:
* All current Commonwealth members, including external territories where relevant
* Fiji (currently suspended, of course)
* The ex-members: Ireland, Zimbabwe and the Gambia
* Hong Kong (despite the transfer, still using English in an official capacity)
Plus: The nine other nations with English as a de facto or de jure official language:
* USA! USA! USA!, and its external territories
* Palau (former US mandate)
* Micronesia (former US Mandate)
* Marshall Islands (former US Mandate)
* The Philippines
* Liberia
* Sudan
* South Sudan
* Eritrea
Plus (again!):
* The whole of the EU (those 24 countries not already mentioned above), by virtue of it being a political union, with English an official language (sneaky, I know!). Plus their current external territories, just for a bit of fun (this would apply to France, Denmark, Spain, Portugal and the Netherlands)
I would be Minister-Emperor. TSE would be my Darth Vader/Mandelson-style "enforcer"
Morris Dancer would be Governor of Yorkshire
Mike Smithson would beGovernorMayor of Bedfordshire
Corporeal would be Governor of Wales
Alan Brooke would be Governor of Northern Ireland
Neil would be Governor of Southern Ireland
Tim B would be Governor of Georgia
Sean T would be Governor of Cornwall
Isam would Governor of Essex
John O would be Governor of Surrey
Plato would be Governess of Sussex
Malcolm G would be Governor of Scotland
um, you get the picture! 0 -
Just to remind everyone, Lord Ashcroft's poll is quite bouncy from week to week, I prefer to use a 2 week average of his polls.0
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I'm guessing the poll will be very bad for the blues.0
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Out of interest, why is it important to know the name?TheScreamingEagles said:
He's been named just nowAndyJS said:I find it astonishing that the 16 year old who has just been jailed for life with a 20 year recommendation for the murder of schoolteacher Ann Maguire hasn't been named:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29879865
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/03/ann-maguire-killer-named-will-cornick-judge-lifts-reporting-restrictions
He's A Psycho. Enuf, innit?
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@LordAshcroft: Ashcroft National Poll, 31 Oct-2 Nov: CON 30%, LAB 29%, LDEM 10%, UKIP 16%, GRN 6%. Full details on @ConHome, 4pm.0
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I'm wondering whether Shadsy has to attempt to match up the individial constituency markets with the overall betting situation for overall majority, most seats, etc.0
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Cleggasm 2 !!!0
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I've always assumed it was morbid interest.Peter_the_Punter said:
Out of interest, why is it important to know the name?TheScreamingEagles said:
He's been named just nowAndyJS said:I find it astonishing that the 16 year old who has just been jailed for life with a 20 year recommendation for the murder of schoolteacher Ann Maguire hasn't been named:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29879865
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/03/ann-maguire-killer-named-will-cornick-judge-lifts-reporting-restrictions
He's A Psycho. Enuf, innit?
As someone who has worked in Leeds and has a lot of friends in Leeds and the surrounding areas, the name has been known for quite some time on social media.0 -
Why would it be, the underlying trend is irresistibly against Labour right now as Gadfly's moving average shows.Morris_Dancer said:I'm guessing the poll will be very bad for the blues.
I'm putting my neck on the block and saying it is Labour 29.0 -
Ashcroft National Poll, 31 Oct-2 Nov: CON 30%, LAB 29%, LDEM 10%, UKIP 16%, GRN 6%.
2/5 landed0 -
Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft · 14s 15 seconds ago
Ashcroft National Poll, 31 Oct-2 Nov: CON 30%, LAB 29%, LDEM 10%, UKIP 16%, GRN 6%. Full details on @ConHome, 4pm
Electoral Fog.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNSLaYJboPE0 -
Hmmm... interesting. You're hiredDavidBrackenbury said:
An ancestor of mine was Constable of the Tower, so if the good Emperor Sunil will do the necessary, I will be grateful. And Master of the Royal Mint!! Nice work if you can get it!Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Herdson, I'll be King of York, ally with our Northumbrian brethren and conquer the rest of you!
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Crossover/Labour slump to their lowest ever figure with Lord Ashcroft.
Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft · 26s 26 seconds ago
Ashcroft National Poll, 31 Oct-2 Nov: CON 30%, LAB 29%, LDEM 10%, UKIP 16%, GRN 6%. Full details on @ConHome, 4pm.0 -
Super soaraway sandalistas.0
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That leaves 9% for the SNP and Plaid. Sound right?0
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More important to know he's an emo, and recognise the danger of emos everywherePeter_the_Punter said:
Out of interest, why is it important to know the name?TheScreamingEagles said:
He's been named just nowAndyJS said:I find it astonishing that the 16 year old who has just been jailed for life with a 20 year recommendation for the murder of schoolteacher Ann Maguire hasn't been named:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29879865
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/03/ann-maguire-killer-named-will-cornick-judge-lifts-reporting-restrictions
He's A Psycho. Enuf, innit?0 -
I agree. Ashcroft's polls do tend to bounce around a bit and a 7% drop wouldn't be out of the question but I don't think it's likely starting where it is (i.e. at the low end of where the Tories have been polling). I also don't see any good reason why the Tories should suddenly drop that far. Likewise UKIP. Ashcroft's house effects seem to give UKIP higher scores than most pollsters and most of their recent news has been relatively positive.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well the lowest share with Ashcroft for the four major parties are as followsTGOHF said:
£1 on Con please.TheScreamingEagles said:Oooh
Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft
In the Ashcroft National Poll released at 4pm one party records it's lowest vote share since I started the ANP
Con 25, Lab 30, LD 6, UKIP 14
The Poll last week was Con 31, Lab 31, LD 7, UKIP 18
So if the Tories break their record, they need to fall 7% in a week, for Lab it is 2%, for the Lib Dems 2% and UKIP it is 5
So I reckon it is either Lab or the LDs
So Labour or the Lib Dems then.
If it is the Lib Dems, it'll be their lowest score with *any* pollster since about 1990; if it's Labour, I think it'd be their lowest with anyone this parliament (I can't remember a score in the twenties), so whoever it is (including Con), it'll be historic.0 -
Ed falling below Gordon's final score and it's not even December.
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Boom.0
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Crossover/Labour slump to their lowest ever figure with @LordAshcroft
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Interesting to see how often and how early he was identified as the killer..TheScreamingEagles said:
I've always assumed it was morbid interest.Peter_the_Punter said:
Out of interest, why is it important to know the name?TheScreamingEagles said:
He's been named just nowAndyJS said:I find it astonishing that the 16 year old who has just been jailed for life with a 20 year recommendation for the murder of schoolteacher Ann Maguire hasn't been named:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29879865
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/03/ann-maguire-killer-named-will-cornick-judge-lifts-reporting-restrictions
He's A Psycho. Enuf, innit?
As someone who has worked in Leeds and has a lot of friends in Leeds and the surrounding areas, the name has been known for quite some time on social media.0 -
I'm beginning to find your obsession about "truthers" quite, well, obsessional.JonnyJimmy said:
So you're putting your fingers in your ears and singing "Russell Brand hates UKIP"?MikeK said:
My dear boy, Russel Brand hates UKIP:JonnyJimmy said:
I didn't think it would make you suddenly disagree with the comment you linked to, but thought you might prefer not to promote the views of a Russell Brand type in UKiP's ranks.MikeK said:@JonnyJimmy
Thanks for the data on Earthenware, but I must say that it doesn't in anyway detract from what she wrote on the Tories and Labour being one and the same thing.
Russell Brand Blasts BBC For 'Validating Ukip's Ideas ...
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/.../russell-brand-blasts-the-bbc-over-clacton-...
Oct 10, 2014 - Russell Brand has slammed the BBC for “validating the ridiculous ideas” of Ukip, and “collaborating” in building a narrative in which Britain's ...
Is this in preparation for quoting moonlanding-truthers and other conspiracy theory nut jobs in their support for UKIP?
Calm down, bang your head against a wall 3 times, make a wish and then drink some vodka. You may then find yourself sane again. Good Luck!
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Con 30 Lab 290
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There is a rising chance that no party will score more than 30% in the next election.TheScreamingEagles said:Crossover/Labour slump to their lowest ever figure with @LordAshcroft
Con 30 (-1) Lab 29 (-2) LD 10 (+3) UKIP 16 (-2) Greens 6 (+1)0 -
The day after or so.JonnyJimmy said:
Interesting to see how often and how early he was identified as the killer..TheScreamingEagles said:
I've always assumed it was morbid interest.Peter_the_Punter said:
Out of interest, why is it important to know the name?TheScreamingEagles said:
He's been named just nowAndyJS said:I find it astonishing that the 16 year old who has just been jailed for life with a 20 year recommendation for the murder of schoolteacher Ann Maguire hasn't been named:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29879865
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/03/ann-maguire-killer-named-will-cornick-judge-lifts-reporting-restrictions
He's A Psycho. Enuf, innit?
As someone who has worked in Leeds and has a lot of friends in Leeds and the surrounding areas, the name has been known for quite some time on social media.0 -
The amount of "I'll predict a terrible score for my side even though I know its probably not going to be the case and then I can laugh at the other side anyway even though its more than likely to be them"-ery going on in this thread was quite astounding !
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Interesting details from LA
http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2014/11/lord-ashcroft-labour-drop-behind-in-my-weekly-poll.html
"Less than a quarter (24 per cent, down four points) said they would rather see Miliband as PM, including just one in five swing voters and only 13 per cent of UKIP supporters – though a clear majority of these said they saw Cameron as the better of two unsatisfactory alternatives."0 -
Mr. Speedy, maybe. I wonder whether tribal loyalty and/or trying to kick the 'other side' will still come to the fore and we'll get more blue/red votes than anticipated.0
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I'm not obsessed by them at all, I was trying to help stop you from promoting one of them. If you're happy to do so, be my guest.MikeK said:
I'm beginning to find your obsession about "truthers" quite, well, obsessional.JonnyJimmy said:
So you're putting your fingers in your ears and singing "Russell Brand hates UKIP"?MikeK said:
My dear boy, Russel Brand hates UKIP:JonnyJimmy said:
I didn't think it would make you suddenly disagree with the comment you linked to, but thought you might prefer not to promote the views of a Russell Brand type in UKiP's ranks.MikeK said:@JonnyJimmy
Thanks for the data on Earthenware, but I must say that it doesn't in anyway detract from what she wrote on the Tories and Labour being one and the same thing.
Russell Brand Blasts BBC For 'Validating Ukip's Ideas ...
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/.../russell-brand-blasts-the-bbc-over-clacton-...
Oct 10, 2014 - Russell Brand has slammed the BBC for “validating the ridiculous ideas” of Ukip, and “collaborating” in building a narrative in which Britain's ...
Is this in preparation for quoting moonlanding-truthers and other conspiracy theory nut jobs in their support for UKIP?
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As TSE mentioned, Palpatine cloned himself to fight another day (and yes, TSE, I knew about the Emperor clones!).Socrates said:
So TSE will betray you and throw you down to a fiery death at your moment of triumph?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Nah, I'm just going for those places where English is either predominant or official the present time!Socrates said:
If you are happy to change history, you could always have a completely different set of places settled by the English: Argentina, Brazil, Taiwain etc.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Freedom, Fraternity, Federation!
If I had my way, and I freely confess it would have depended on an extensive amount of Alternate History along the way (particularly in regard to the USA and Ireland!), my Commonwealth of English-speaking Nations and Peoples would consist of:
* All current Commonwealth members, including external territories where relevant
* Fiji (currently suspended, of course)
* The ex-members: Ireland, Zimbabwe and the Gambia
* Hong Kong (despite the transfer, still using English in an official capacity)
Plus: The nine other nations with English as a de facto or de jure official language:
* USA! USA! USA!, and its external territories
* Palau (former US mandate)
* Micronesia (former US Mandate)
* Marshall Islands (former US Mandate)
* The Philippines
* Liberia
* Sudan
* South Sudan
* Eritrea
Plus (again!):
* The whole of the EU (those 24 countries not already mentioned above), by virtue of it being a political union, with English an official language (sneaky, I know!). Plus their current external territories, just for a bit of fun (this would apply to France, Denmark, Spain, Portugal and the Netherlands)
I would be Minister-Emperor. TSE would be my Darth Vader/Mandelson-style "enforcer"
Morris Dancer would be Governor of Yorkshire
Mike Smithson would beGovernorMayor of Bedfordshire
Corporeal would be Governor of Wales
Alan Brooke would be Governor of Northern Ireland
Neil would be Governor of Southern Ireland
Tim B would be Governor of Georgia
Sean T would be Governor of Cornwall
Isam would Governor of Essex
John O would be Governor of Surrey
Plato would be Governess of Sussex
Malcolm G would be Governor of Scotland
um, you get the picture!
Actually as I'm not married there will be an eventual succession crisis in the Commonwealth. TSE would lead one faction, let's call them the Federalists, who want to continue the Constitutional nature of the Commonwealth.
One faction would be the Imperialists, who want to abolish the Imperial Senate and become a unitary state. Let's assume Sean T would lead them.
And a third faction would call for a Republic. Maybe led by one of the lefty Labour types. I dunno!
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This made me laugh. Is he talking about us? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/google/11201009/Strict-Mistress-The-worlds-secret-sexual-preferences-revealed-by-Google.html
I suppose it’s in the eye of the beholder whether this is a good thing or a bad thing. Take the “Strict Mistress” thing, for example. Before the dawn of the Internet, people who experienced this urge would probably bury their desires deep down, maybe try to slake their needs with hard-to-obtain and dubious mail-order catalogues, or with sex phone lines.
Now, they are only one click from a webpage that will explain – and, crucially, normalise – those desires. There’s usually an FAQ page, with “Am I crazy?” near the top. The answer, by the way, is always “No”, and it’s always society that’s in the wrong, whether the website is about ladies with an eye for discipline or Ukip membership (if only Google Trends could produce Venn diagrams).
The Internet also allows browsers to delve deeper, find online communities and forums, and reinforce their beliefs among a group of people who, for the first time, won’t challenge them or call them mad. They learn the jargon the community uses, and find out how to go about fulfilling their needs.0 -
Similar to the ComRes phone poll last Monday.0
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The lowest LD share was 6% in June this year so maybe they're on 5% this time.TheScreamingEagles said:Oooh
Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft
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Oh dear Ed.
Add in the Scottish woes, and what's the new Firewall number now?0 -
I'm sure even you could pull once you were emperor!Sunil_Prasannan said:
As TSE mentioned, Palpatine cloned himself to fight another day (and yes, TSE, I knew about the Emperor clones!).
Actually as I'm not married there will be an eventual succession crisis in the Commonwealth. TSE would lead one faction, let's call them the Federalists, who want to continue the Constitutional nature of the Commonwealth.
One faction would be the Imperialists, who want to abolish the Imperial Senate and become a unitary state. Let's assume Sean T would lead them.
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Some of us have been saying that since 2010.Speedy said:
There is a rising chance that no party will score more than 30% in the next election.TheScreamingEagles said:Crossover/Labour slump to their lowest ever figure with @LordAshcroft
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Can Ed beat Gordon's 2010 score ?TheWatcher said:Oh dear Ed.
Add in the Scottish woes, and what's the new Firewall number now?
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Fortunately not!Peter_the_Punter said:
Fascinating, Sunil.Sunil_Prasannan said:Regarding 9/11 theories, my gast was rather flabbered when, during my brief stay in Colorado in 2011, there was actually a debate one Sunday afternoon at University of Colorado, Boulder regarding whether or not the Twin Towers were destroyed through a controlled demolition. I decided to attend through curiosity alone, and I was surprised how civilised the debate was. There were no hecklers, no police presence, no Uni security vetting attendees. Everything went smoothly.
http://www.ae911truth.org/news/459-uc-boulder-debate.html
Was it followed by one about whether the Earth might be flat?
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29% for Labour is actually 0.7% lower than they polled in May 2010 with Brown.0
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I think the opposite is happening right now, since no side can kick the other directly they are using proxies.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Speedy, maybe. I wonder whether tribal loyalty and/or trying to kick the 'other side' will still come to the fore and we'll get more blue/red votes than anticipated.
The Tory voters are supporting UKIP in the Labour seats and Labour voters supporting UKIP in Tory seats, simply because UKIP has a better chance than they do to defeat the enemy.0 -
LibDems on double figures?
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A quick glance at the tables reveals Labour's problem in spades:
What are the chances of someone saying they are a 5 out of 10 Labour voter actually getting up, heading to the polls and voting for Mr Miliband come next March. This is 1.5% of the whole sample...
I'd suggest based on the Ashcroft polls for by-elections that the voters the parties can count on are as follows:
UKIP 8,9,10 out of 10
Conservative 9,10 out of 10
Labour 10 out of 10
5 out of 10 Labour voters simply won't bother. And there are too many of them for Labour's good.
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@SamCoatesTimes: Labour's cost of living disaster, as revealed by today's Ashcroft poll http://t.co/m4KYHJ6Gew”0
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30 is a par-for-the-poll score for the Tories with Ashcroft. 29 is a new low for Labour. As uninspiring as the Tory numbers are, they don't really look like going lower. Labour however, just keep finding new floors.
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Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes
Labour's cost of living disaster, as revealed by today's Ashcroft poll
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@JGForsyth: If u want to know why the Tories r so much less bothered about losing Rochester than they were, u’ll find the answer in Labour’s poll ratingPulpstar said:A quick glance at the tables reveals Labour's problem in spades:
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Frederick J Williams obviously has a brain the size of a pea, allegedly.0
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Re @LordAshcroft
It's only a marking time poll and nothing really new. Everyones waiting for Rochester to go Reckless; or not. Then everything changes.0 -
Mr. Speedy, I wonder about that. I'm not so sure it's the case. I think UKIP is a positive force, in the sense that its adherents are generally pro-UKIP rather than anti-Conservative or anti-Labour (they may be anti-'Establishment' but that's a different, nebulous concept).
Mr. JS, considering Labour's in opposition during so-called austerity involving both its nationwide rivals, that's impressive.0 -
If you said than in 2010 then the first reaction would have been "oh that means the LD's are going to win the next election", things change but oddly stay the same, just replace LD with UKIP and it feels the same.AndyJS said:
Some of us have been saying that since 2010.Speedy said:
There is a rising chance that no party will score more than 30% in the next election.TheScreamingEagles said:Crossover/Labour slump to their lowest ever figure with @LordAshcroft
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Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft
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THought that could well happen. UKIP is going to pick up huge numbers of second places to Labour north of Birmingham, and large amounts of seconds to the Conservatives in the South East and East (Unless they win those seats)Speedy said:
I think the opposite is happening right now, since no side can kick the other directly they are using proxies.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Speedy, maybe. I wonder whether tribal loyalty and/or trying to kick the 'other side' will still come to the fore and we'll get more blue/red votes than anticipated.
The Tory voters are supporting UKIP in the Labour seats and Labour voters supporting UKIP in Tory seats, simply because UKIP has a better chance than they do to defeat the enemy.0 -
Doubt it.MikeK said:Re @LordAshcroft
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More from Lord A:
"While 62% of Tory voters said they expected to be better off with a Conservative government, only 44% of Labour voters thought their prospects would be better with their own party in charge. A majority of Labour voters (55%) thought it would make no difference to their own prosperity which party was in office."
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@carldinnen: Breaking; Police Complaints Commission to investigate 3 Police Federation officers who met Andrew Mitchell.0
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Is this a step towards having metro councils again? Having a Greater Manchester mayor without a council to be mayor of does sound a bit pointless. And using the 1974 boundaries does seem a bit unorginal too. It'd be interesting to hear what Wiganites think, for example, about being lumped back in with Manchester again, rather than what politicians think.
There are ongoing talks here in the West Midlands about something similar. A sticking point here is that the name Greater Birmingham is a lot less acceptable than the name Greater Manchester is up there.0 -
What can they do?TheScreamingEagles said:Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft
There should be a teeny weeny degree of measured panic developing in the Labour Party. If not there should be......
The SNP effect is hitting them hard and it wont go away for a decade.
Labour should either go hard core socialist to try to get the SNP and some green votes back or go full english and embrace populism.0 -
Ladbrokes GE market
Most votes Con 8/15 Lab 13/8
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The country is fragmenting into different sects. Within 10 to 15 years one party winning as much as 30% will be regarded as a great achievement.0
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And Lab maj now 11/4JonnyJimmy said:Ladbrokes GE market
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England: CON 32: LAB 31 UKIP 18 LD 10
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A) Only an utter ignoramus would dismiss someone's opinion based on another, totally unrelated opinion that they hold.JonnyJimmy said:
You know the author of that piece is a 9/11 "truther"?MikeK said:Oooh-ah! Revolt on the Right continues apace:
http://conservativewoman.co.uk/camerons-tories-are-no-different-to-labour/
Words that are balm to kippers.
I am a 9/11 'truther' -or to put it more accurately, of the two conspiracy theories that are used to explain the events of 9-11 (since it was by definition a conspiracy), I believe the version adhered to by our Government and broadcast media to be the less credible. Since it isn't a topic that is regularly discussed here, I don't discuss it. Happy to explain why, but alternatively do go on using thoughtless smears in a rather desperate attempt to discredit your political opponents.
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Pleased that I happened to lay £25 on Labour winning a majority just before this poll came out.0
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Is there any possibility at all of a UKIP/conservative coalition?0
