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  • Eabhal said:

    Why would you build more houses where home ownership is already high?

    I'm surprised - I had you down as Captain Efficiency. Your faith in the market is wafer thin.
    Our Barty never saw a garden he didn’t want to concrete over

  • Our Barty never saw a garden he didn’t want to concrete over

    I'm explicitly pro-gardens!

    Towns having gardens is one of their big bonuses over being piled high in shitty flats.
  • I'm explicitly pro-gardens!

    Towns having gardens is one of their big bonuses over being piled high in shitty flats.
    I feel like there’s a latent argument you make which is that revealed preference shows that people generally want a large-ish suburban house, not an small-ish apartment, and that Britain ought to be better at enabling that via improved market competition.

    I agree with a lot of that, but you keep ruining your argument by insisting that flats and cyclists and trees are evil or something.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,144

    Our Barty never saw a garden he didn’t want to concrete over

    Or a Sycamore he didn't want to cut down.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,415
    edited September 2023

    I feel like there’s a latent argument you make which is that revealed preference shows that people generally want a large-ish suburban house, not an small-ish apartment, and that Britain ought to be better at enabling that via improved market competition.

    I agree with a lot of that, but you keep ruining your argument by insisting that flats and cyclists and trees are evil or something.
    I don't insist on any of that.

    I'm pro-trees. Building more towns and roads and houses equals more trees not fewer. There's thousands of trees on the just the one new road I'm off that have been planted to go with our new area that wouldn't be here if it hadn't been developed. There's more trees than houses on the estate and the main road is tree lined all the way.

    I'm also pro-cycling. I've taught my kids to ride, one currently needs stabilisers, and I ride myself. I'm pro-cycling paths and support investing in new roads to be able to build more cycle paths.

    As for flats, I don't like them, but I am pro those being constructed for those who do want them. Pro-choice.
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,162
    Lab hold in Wolverhampton.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,144
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    I feel like there’s a latent argument you make which is that revealed preference shows that people generally want a large-ish suburban house, not an small-ish apartment, and that Britain ought to be better at enabling that via improved market competition.

    I agree with a lot of that, but you keep ruining your argument by insisting that flats and cyclists and trees are evil or something.
    He's not wrong about the preference - I want to live in a big house in the countryside.

    But that doesn't survive contact with reality. What would happen if the whole of London refused to live in flats?
  • Our Barty never saw a garden he didn’t want to concrete over

    IIUC Tokyo does a thing where the (already pretty lenient) height restrictions are eased if you set the building back from the road and put some garden space in front.

    I'm not saying I like this: Like Bart I think you should just let people choose if they want to use their space for gardens or homes and not try to centrally plan it. But if you had a policy goal of having lots of green space in the city around where people live but also increasing density, it's possible to do it.
  • Eabhal said:

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    He's not wrong about the preference - I want to live in a big house in the countryside.

    But that doesn't survive contact with reality. What would happen if the whole of London refused to live in flats?
    Of course it survives contact with reality. Nobody should be forced into anything against their will.

    If everybody chose not to live in a flat in London then flats in London would become vacant and their prices would collapse until a new equilibrium and people chose to live in them, or the land could be redeveloped.
  • Eabhal said:

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    He's not wrong about the preference - I want to live in a big house in the countryside.

    But that doesn't survive contact with reality. What would happen if the whole of London refused to live in flats?
    Barty doesn’t live in London and I think lacks much sympathy for those who do.

    I’m quite interested in New York which is hardly perfect but seems to have a lot of very dense high rise, but ALSO a more generous ring of suburban housing which gives way to beautiful countryside beyond.

    My friends for example have just moved from a 2500 sq ft house in Zone 3/4 to a 8000 sqft in Long Island. Admittedly that’s an unusual case, but the trade off here is different.

    I often think Barty would be much happier here.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295

    Britain gave up wanting to be rich years ago. Certainly by 2016. Britain just wants a comfortable retirement with an M&S ready meal and an Inspector Morse boxset.
    How did you know I like M&S ready meals and watching Inspector Morse?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,144

    Of course it survives contact with reality. Nobody should be forced into anything against their will.

    If everybody chose not to live in a flat in London then flats in London would become vacant and their prices would collapse until a new equilibrium and people chose to live in them, or the land could be redeveloped.
    Wtf is this forced thing?

    What happened to your precious market?
  • Barty doesn’t live in London and I think lacks much sympathy for those who do.

    I’m quite interested in New York which is hardly perfect but seems to have a lot of very dense high rise, but ALSO a more generous ring of suburban housing which gives way to beautiful countryside beyond.

    My friends for example have just moved from a 2500 sq ft house in Zone 3/4 to a 8000 sqft in Long Island. Admittedly that’s an unusual case, but the trade off here is different.

    I often think Barty would be much happier here.
    I love New York!

    As for London, I have a great deal of sympathy for those in London who are trapped spending their income on astronomical rents. More than others here it seems.
  • Eabhal said:

    Wtf is this forced thing?

    What happened to your precious market?
    We haven't got a free market, our housing system is broken with a draconianly restricted planning system.

    I support having a free market, but we haven't got one.
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,162
    Con hold in North Yorkshire but big swing to Lib Dems. Sunak lives in this ward.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    Uppsala is a provincial city in Sweden IIRC. What's going on?

    "A woman in her 20s, thought to be an innocent bystander, was killed when a bomb tore up a house in Uppsala in the early hours of Thursday."

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/sweden-opposition-party-calls-military-tackle-deadly-gang-war-2023-09-28/
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,383

    Yes, London is desperately unsuccessful.

    A majority of Londoners being denied their own home is absolutely atrocious.


    London has the lowest rate of home ownership, 46.8%, that's a dismal failure.


    If you're a part of the minority in London that can afford you're home then its great of course, but for the majority who have astronomical rents, yes it can be very bad to be piled high.
    London also has lots of people - whether foreign students, people on secondment, or people at the very start of their careers - who are not in natural home owning groups.

  • rcs1000 said:

    London also has lots of people - whether foreign students, people on secondment, or people at the very start of their careers - who are not in natural home owning groups.

    Though in the 90s people in their 20s could get on the ladder, so that's not good enough.

    People in decent employment should be able to get their own home. If they can't, there's something broken.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,383

    Though in the 90s people in their 20s could get on the ladder, so that's not good enough.

    People in decent employment should be able to get their own home. If they can't, there's something broken.
    My point is simply that London will always have a lower proportion of owner occupiers than the UK average.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,415
    edited September 2023
    rcs1000 said:

    My point is simply that London will always have a lower proportion of owner occupiers than the UK average.
    Not so significantly lower if the market's barriers are removed.

    And only if you consider that a temporary situation for people in the first year or two (not decade or two) of their career, as it used to be. Not as a way of life, which it is currently.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    edited September 2023
    Official address to the nation by the Swedish prime minister. (Translation subtitles aren't working at the moment but maybe will be later on).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gArmO2RVW-8
  • https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/28/us/politics/anti-trump-ads-memo.html

    In a remarkably candid memo to donors, the head of a well-funded GOP group admits that after extensive testing of more than 40 anti-Trump television ads, “all attempts to undermine his conservative credentials on specific issues were ineffective.”
  • They should make a little mini-train that can adjust its gauge and detach from the main train like the Akita Shinkansen. Then it can do the last part on the Elizabeth Line and go from Birmingham all the way across London to Stratford, and connect to Paris and Brussels there like God intended.
    Nah. This problem was solved years ago - just reintroduce slip coaches. Put a coach at the end of the train, and as it's approaching Old Oak Common, uncouple it and change the points for the Lizzie line. HS2 is so fast the slip coach should have enough momentum to go all the way through London to the seaside. :)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slip_coach

    The simple reason why an HS2-HS1 link was not a top priority for HS2 (and only a side priority with the abandoned link via the NLL) was that there simply was not seen to be enough traffic to justify it as a top priority. Which is one of the reasons why the North of London services from the Channel Tunnel never started.

    Perhaps that has changed in the fifteen or so years since HS2 was scoped out.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,714

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/28/us/politics/anti-trump-ads-memo.html

    In a remarkably candid memo to donors, the head of a well-funded GOP group admits that after extensive testing of more than 40 anti-Trump television ads, “all attempts to undermine his conservative credentials on specific issues were ineffective.”

    They need to talk to the guys who specialise in cult de-programming.
  • Sean_F said:

    I was amazed that during the migrant crisis of 2015, the Swedish government wanted more migrants to come to Sweden.
    Sweden is a shining example of where open-borders idealism ends.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,714
    This case was a puzzle at the time, as it was quite unclear what was going on.
    Those who assumed the Met was at fault throughout were, of course, correct.

    Whether it was corruption, or sheer incompetence isn’t entirely clear.

    Watchdog commissioner says Met sabotaged her career over investigations of racism
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/sep/28/watchdog-commissioner-says-met-sabotaged-her-career-over-investigations-of-racism
    … Izekor was one of three commissioners overseeing a number of high-profile police complaints against the Met, including the case of the firefighter Edric Kennedy-Macfoy, who was Tasered by police officers in north London weeks after the 2011 riots.

    An investigation into the incident was launched by the Met, which found the officers had no case to answer for. Kennedy-Macfoy, who received an apology from the Met and compensation, appealed against the force’s decision to the IPCC. Izekor was appointed to oversee the investigation for the watchdog. But in July 2016, the misconduct hearing of the three officers involved in the case collapsed after allegations of evidence suppression.

    A spokesperson for the Met confirmed the force received criminal allegations against Ikezor in September 2016. “The allegations were not made by the Met,” the spokesperson said.*…

    … Police Scotland therefore conducted the investigation, which looked into whether Izekor had deliberately withheld crucial evidence during the misconduct hearing and whether she was racially biased against the police officers.

    The investigation, dubbed Operation Amherst, took four and half years to complete, and cost the taxpayer more than £1.5m.

    The conclusion of the investigation had not only exonerated her, Izekor said, but she was also shown evidence that the Met had possession of all the key disclosures all along.


    *So who were they made by ?

    How could this ‘mistake’ have remained uncorrected for years, while all this went on ?
    It seems quite likely that this was a deliberate ‘mistake’.

    … She said that at the end of the three days of interviews Police Scotland officers told her that the Met did get all the necessary disclosures.

    “It appeared that the officer who signed for [the disclosures] went on holiday after she brought them back to the Met. And she put them somewhere and she didn’t hand them over,” Izekor said. “I looked at the officers with my mouth on the floor. They said they told me ‘in the interest of justice’ – those were their precise words, I can’t forget it.”..
  • I see that Labour want to charge VAT on private school fees. But what about private schools that cater for children eith learning difficulties? We have a child that due to the Covid lockdown has a social communication disorder, and has recently had to move from a mainstream state school to a special state school (we were lucky to get a place).where they are very happy and doing well. But our plan had been to move to a private school near us that specialises in such children if the progress continues, to the great advantage of the state (they have about 1 teacher to 2 children at the current school). Are they going to make an exemption or do they not care?

    They do not care.
  • Andy_JS said:

    Surely it can't be that difficult to keep spending under control.
    It's always the services that most people use like waste collection, libraries and leisure centres that seem to be up for the chop.

    'Social care' seems to absorb everything.
  • HYUFD said:

    The 'centre ground' for Heseltine being one which not even the median British voter was in when they voted for Brexit
    It's remarkable that Heseltine still thinks his time will come.
  • Barty doesn’t live in London and I think lacks much sympathy for those who do.

    I’m quite interested in New York which is hardly perfect but seems to have a lot of very dense high rise, but ALSO a more generous ring of suburban housing which gives way to beautiful countryside beyond.

    My friends for example have just moved from a 2500 sq ft house in Zone 3/4 to a 8000 sqft in Long Island. Admittedly that’s an unusual case, but the trade off here is different.

    I often think Barty would be much happier here.
    Why do you think everyone who thinks differently to you would be happier in the US?

    Because you are?
  • I think there’s pretty universal agreement that Britain is indeed missing out on agglomerative effects.

    At least for anyone who’s actually looked into the issue.
    I agree that it doesn’t necessarily follow that UK cities ought to densify, the key issue is infrastructure.

    It is true though the denser cities tend to have better infrastructure so there’s at least a secondary relationship.
    Our issue is the process of commissioning infrastructure and the lack of brave and consistent political leadership in delivering it.

    It goes back decades. And HMT always offer up capital spend for the chop every spending cycle, which ministers greedily lap up.
  • Thanks for all the tips on Office 365.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924
    slade said:

    Lab hold in Wolverhampton.

    12% turnout
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