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14 months of this from the Tory rags building to a crescendo at GE 2024
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/19/keir-starmer-is-now-the-least-trustworthy-man-in-british-po/1 -
I've got a private sector dc pension pot that has declined by more than a quarter in the past two years because the fund managers keep picking the wrong lottery numbers or whatever else they've invested it in. Russian potato futures possibly.Pagan2 said:
There will be a growing divide because of this between private and public sector workers. Personally getting fed up with friends that work public sector telling me that their pensions aren't gold plated as they will give them only 10k to 15k a year. I have contributed more than them and my dc pension will pay me the square root of fuck all due to 20 years of low interest rates....so much for the miracle of cumulative interestMightyAlex said:
For me its the defined benefit/defined contribution pension gap. Seems to map quite cleanly between those who benefited from high stability (un-globalised) jobs and the generation after.Gardenwalker said:
Great analysis.NickPalmer said:
I would extend the disadvantaged age threshold to under 50.
Anyone 50 or over reached the age of 30 before 2003 and was therefore able to get on the housing ladder before the great inflation of the 2000s.
I am 44 and only *just* managed to get on to a property that suited me in 2011. It was already probably 2x more expensive than it had been a decade before. It is now 2x more again.0 -
The three greatest events (i.e. betting victories) on pb.com were:viewcode said:
His partner was dependent on medication from the EU. Meeks was angry about this as he feared supplies would be disrupted by Brexit. Leavers were less than sympathetic, and escalation took place. Alastair left and never looked back. PB is frequently - how can I put this - interesting and it can serve as a useful early warning system for whatever the mad fuck politariat are planning this week, but it is not always necessary, and he worked out he could cope perfectly well without us.Anabobazina said:
Agreed. Anyone know why he left? He was prolific, then seemingly disappeared overnight.twistedfirestopper3 said:
We often lament about posters who disappear, but I think AM was a genuine loss to the site.NickPalmer said:
Some PBers have blogs: Cyclefree has one, Alastair has one, Isam has/had one. Are there any others?
1. The 50-1 bet by OGH on Obama for US President.
2. The SNP to sweep the board at the 2015GE.
3. AndyJS' legendary spreadsheet for the Brexit referendum.
Will the site produce another betting victory to compare with those past triumphs?1 -
Go and work in the Public Sector then.Pagan2 said:
There will be a growing divide because of this between private and public sector workers. Personally getting fed up with friends that work public sector telling me that their pensions aren't gold plated as they will give them only 10k to 15k a year. I have contributed more than them and my dc pension will pay me the square root of fuck all due to 20 years of low interest rates....so much for the miracle of cumulative interestMightyAlex said:
For me its the defined benefit/defined contribution pension gap. Seems to map quite cleanly between those who benefited from high stability (un-globalised) jobs and the generation after.Gardenwalker said:
Great analysis.NickPalmer said:
I would extend the disadvantaged age threshold to under 50.
Anyone 50 or over reached the age of 30 before 2003 and was therefore able to get on the housing ladder before the great inflation of the 2000s.
I am 44 and only *just* managed to get on to a property that suited me in 2011. It was already probably 2x more expensive than it had been a decade before. It is now 2x more again.
Plenty of vacancies due to the shit wages6 -
It's going to be a long 14 months to the GE! Things will really start to get going once we get to Party Conference season in September.bigjohnowls said:14 months of this from the Tory rags building to a crescendo at GE 2024
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/19/keir-starmer-is-now-the-least-trustworthy-man-in-british-po/
We are only in the 'phoney war' stage at the moment.0 -
Nods it is going to produce a huge divide. I do understand why my friends don't see it as gold plated. After all its only 12000 or so a year. They just dont seem to realise how much the rest of us need to have in our pension pot to get anywhere near there pension especially if as theres is it is index linkedDecrepiterJohnL said:
I've got a private sector dc pension pot that has declined by more than a quarter in the past two years because the fund managers keep picking the wrong lottery numbers or whatever else they've invested it in. Russian potato futures possibly.Pagan2 said:
There will be a growing divide because of this between private and public sector workers. Personally getting fed up with friends that work public sector telling me that their pensions aren't gold plated as they will give them only 10k to 15k a year. I have contributed more than them and my dc pension will pay me the square root of fuck all due to 20 years of low interest rates....so much for the miracle of cumulative interestMightyAlex said:
For me its the defined benefit/defined contribution pension gap. Seems to map quite cleanly between those who benefited from high stability (un-globalised) jobs and the generation after.Gardenwalker said:
Great analysis.NickPalmer said:
I would extend the disadvantaged age threshold to under 50.
Anyone 50 or over reached the age of 30 before 2003 and was therefore able to get on the housing ladder before the great inflation of the 2000s.
I am 44 and only *just* managed to get on to a property that suited me in 2011. It was already probably 2x more expensive than it had been a decade before. It is now 2x more again.
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He thought he'd been outed, which would certainly be beyond the pale if true.viewcode said:
Although I do get your point, Charles's complaint was that somebody mentioned a family member, despite the fact that it was Charles who had named them in the first place. I am happy to keep the privacy of commentators, as witnessed by my treatment of @Miklosvar, but others may not be so ethical.Taz said:
I’ve been here a couple of years and Leon has left a few times. A cheap dig at @BartholomewRoberts doesnt mean he’s the one who drove them off the site. Whereas we know some posters have actually driven members off the site. Like Charles.kinabalu said:
Yes I remember it well. Seems for each poster who leaves there's a very different reason, no theme. Eg Leon, just the other day, it was triggered by a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Bartholomew Roberts. Whereas with Mr Meeks it was after a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Philip Thompson.Anabobazina said:
Agreed. Anyone know why he left? He was prolific, then seemingly disappeared overnight.twistedfirestopper3 said:
We often lament about posters who disappear, but I think AM was a genuine loss to the site.NickPalmer said:
I can think of only one instance of this before on this Site. The culprit was the late Plato, and that led to the departure of an excellent poster.
It's surprising it doesn't happen more often, which is a tribute to the standard of posters here, as well as the mods and the managers.
[Btw, have just answered your private message.]2 -
@BartholomewRoberts' Rishi tip.LostPassword said:
The three greatest events (i.e. betting victories) on pb.com were:viewcode said:
His partner was dependent on medication from the EU. Meeks was angry about this as he feared supplies would be disrupted by Brexit. Leavers were less than sympathetic, and escalation took place. Alastair left and never looked back. PB is frequently - how can I put this - interesting and it can serve as a useful early warning system for whatever the mad fuck politariat are planning this week, but it is not always necessary, and he worked out he could cope perfectly well without us.Anabobazina said:
Agreed. Anyone know why he left? He was prolific, then seemingly disappeared overnight.twistedfirestopper3 said:
We often lament about posters who disappear, but I think AM was a genuine loss to the site.NickPalmer said:
Some PBers have blogs: Cyclefree has one, Alastair has one, Isam has/had one. Are there any others?
1. The 50-1 bet by OGH on Obama for US President.
2. The SNP to sweep the board at the 2015GE.
3. AndyJS' legendary spreadsheet for the Brexit referendum.
Will the site produce another betting victory to compare with those past triumphs?2 -
To be fair to plato said poster was a mysogynist arsehole that targetted female posters for vituperation. I feel no loss to the site that he fucked offPeter_the_Punter said:
He thought he'd been outed, which would certainly be beyond the pale if true.viewcode said:
Although I do get your point, Charles's complaint was that somebody mentioned a family member, despite the fact that it was Charles who had named them in the first place. I am happy to keep the privacy of commentators, as witnessed by my treatment of @Miklosvar, but others may not be so ethical.Taz said:
I’ve been here a couple of years and Leon has left a few times. A cheap dig at @BartholomewRoberts doesnt mean he’s the one who drove them off the site. Whereas we know some posters have actually driven members off the site. Like Charles.kinabalu said:
Yes I remember it well. Seems for each poster who leaves there's a very different reason, no theme. Eg Leon, just the other day, it was triggered by a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Bartholomew Roberts. Whereas with Mr Meeks it was after a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Philip Thompson.Anabobazina said:
Agreed. Anyone know why he left? He was prolific, then seemingly disappeared overnight.twistedfirestopper3 said:
We often lament about posters who disappear, but I think AM was a genuine loss to the site.NickPalmer said:
I can think of only one instance of this before on this Site. The culprit was the late Plato, and that led to the departure of an excellent poster.
It's surprising it doesn't happen more often, which is a tribute to the standard of posters here, as well as the mods and the managers.
[Btw, have just answered your private message.]1 -
KJT has done it.3
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Gold for KJT!!! 🥇2
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Fairy nuff, but outing is still outing.Pagan2 said:
To be fair to plato said poster was a mysogynist arsehole that targetted female posters for vituperation. I feel no loss to the site that he fucked offPeter_the_Punter said:
He thought he'd been outed, which would certainly be beyond the pale if true.viewcode said:
Although I do get your point, Charles's complaint was that somebody mentioned a family member, despite the fact that it was Charles who had named them in the first place. I am happy to keep the privacy of commentators, as witnessed by my treatment of @Miklosvar, but others may not be so ethical.Taz said:
I’ve been here a couple of years and Leon has left a few times. A cheap dig at @BartholomewRoberts doesnt mean he’s the one who drove them off the site. Whereas we know some posters have actually driven members off the site. Like Charles.kinabalu said:
Yes I remember it well. Seems for each poster who leaves there's a very different reason, no theme. Eg Leon, just the other day, it was triggered by a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Bartholomew Roberts. Whereas with Mr Meeks it was after a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Philip Thompson.Anabobazina said:
Agreed. Anyone know why he left? He was prolific, then seemingly disappeared overnight.twistedfirestopper3 said:
We often lament about posters who disappear, but I think AM was a genuine loss to the site.NickPalmer said:
I can think of only one instance of this before on this Site. The culprit was the late Plato, and that led to the departure of an excellent poster.
It's surprising it doesn't happen more often, which is a tribute to the standard of posters here, as well as the mods and the managers.
[Btw, have just answered your private message.]0 -
Charles never shrunk from telling us about his family so one poster told him about his (Charles') family and Charles wasn't happy so off he fucked.Peter_the_Punter said:
He thought he'd been outed, which would certainly be beyond the pale if true.viewcode said:
Although I do get your point, Charles's complaint was that somebody mentioned a family member, despite the fact that it was Charles who had named them in the first place. I am happy to keep the privacy of commentators, as witnessed by my treatment of @Miklosvar, but others may not be so ethical.Taz said:
I’ve been here a couple of years and Leon has left a few times. A cheap dig at @BartholomewRoberts doesnt mean he’s the one who drove them off the site. Whereas we know some posters have actually driven members off the site. Like Charles.kinabalu said:
Yes I remember it well. Seems for each poster who leaves there's a very different reason, no theme. Eg Leon, just the other day, it was triggered by a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Bartholomew Roberts. Whereas with Mr Meeks it was after a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Philip Thompson.Anabobazina said:
Agreed. Anyone know why he left? He was prolific, then seemingly disappeared overnight.twistedfirestopper3 said:
We often lament about posters who disappear, but I think AM was a genuine loss to the site.NickPalmer said:
I can think of only one instance of this before on this Site. The culprit was the late Plato, and that led to the departure of an excellent poster.
It's surprising it doesn't happen more often, which is a tribute to the standard of posters here, as well as the mods and the managers.
[Btw, have just answered your private message.]0 -
👍👍👍Sandpit said:Gold for KJT!!! 🥇
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I don't condone the outing, I also don't condone the actions he committed leading her to do itPeter_the_Punter said:
Fairy nuff, but outing is still outing.Pagan2 said:
To be fair to plato said poster was a mysogynist arsehole that targetted female posters for vituperation. I feel no loss to the site that he fucked offPeter_the_Punter said:
He thought he'd been outed, which would certainly be beyond the pale if true.viewcode said:
Although I do get your point, Charles's complaint was that somebody mentioned a family member, despite the fact that it was Charles who had named them in the first place. I am happy to keep the privacy of commentators, as witnessed by my treatment of @Miklosvar, but others may not be so ethical.Taz said:
I’ve been here a couple of years and Leon has left a few times. A cheap dig at @BartholomewRoberts doesnt mean he’s the one who drove them off the site. Whereas we know some posters have actually driven members off the site. Like Charles.kinabalu said:
Yes I remember it well. Seems for each poster who leaves there's a very different reason, no theme. Eg Leon, just the other day, it was triggered by a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Bartholomew Roberts. Whereas with Mr Meeks it was after a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Philip Thompson.Anabobazina said:
Agreed. Anyone know why he left? He was prolific, then seemingly disappeared overnight.twistedfirestopper3 said:
We often lament about posters who disappear, but I think AM was a genuine loss to the site.NickPalmer said:
I can think of only one instance of this before on this Site. The culprit was the late Plato, and that led to the departure of an excellent poster.
It's surprising it doesn't happen more often, which is a tribute to the standard of posters here, as well as the mods and the managers.
[Btw, have just answered your private message.]0 -
Of course Nicola Sturgeon is not an MI5 agent. The idea is ridiculous!
Particularly as all her time is already taken up with her undercover duties on behalf of the Prince and Princess of Wales, on a mission of sabotaging the British Women's World Cup team.0 -
ROFL Leon hasn't gone anywhere, this is just what Sean does.
He'll be back with a new personality soon.0 -
I sympathise. When I tell people most of my income comes from gambling they start getting interested, but then I explain it's a Royal London pension fund and their fascination turns to pity.DecrepiterJohnL said:
I've got a private sector dc pension pot that has declined by more than a quarter in the past two years because the fund managers keep picking the wrong lottery numbers or whatever else they've invested it in. Russian potato futures possibly.Pagan2 said:
There will be a growing divide because of this between private and public sector workers. Personally getting fed up with friends that work public sector telling me that their pensions aren't gold plated as they will give them only 10k to 15k a year. I have contributed more than them and my dc pension will pay me the square root of fuck all due to 20 years of low interest rates....so much for the miracle of cumulative interestMightyAlex said:
For me its the defined benefit/defined contribution pension gap. Seems to map quite cleanly between those who benefited from high stability (un-globalised) jobs and the generation after.Gardenwalker said:
Great analysis.NickPalmer said:
I would extend the disadvantaged age threshold to under 50.
Anyone 50 or over reached the age of 30 before 2003 and was therefore able to get on the housing ladder before the great inflation of the 2000s.
I am 44 and only *just* managed to get on to a property that suited me in 2011. It was already probably 2x more expensive than it had been a decade before. It is now 2x more again.6 -
I did one of those online pension calculators. If I want a cushy pension of £20000 pa on top of the state pension, I need to pay £1150 per month into my SIPP from now until the age of 68. Unsurprisingly, I am not.Pagan2 said:
Nods it is going to produce a huge divide. I do understand why my friends don't see it as gold plated. After all its only 12000 or so a year. They just dont seem to realise how much the rest of us need to have in our pension pot to get anywhere near there pension especially if as theres is it is index linkedDecrepiterJohnL said:
I've got a private sector dc pension pot that has declined by more than a quarter in the past two years because the fund managers keep picking the wrong lottery numbers or whatever else they've invested it in. Russian potato futures possibly.Pagan2 said:
There will be a growing divide because of this between private and public sector workers. Personally getting fed up with friends that work public sector telling me that their pensions aren't gold plated as they will give them only 10k to 15k a year. I have contributed more than them and my dc pension will pay me the square root of fuck all due to 20 years of low interest rates....so much for the miracle of cumulative interestMightyAlex said:
For me its the defined benefit/defined contribution pension gap. Seems to map quite cleanly between those who benefited from high stability (un-globalised) jobs and the generation after.Gardenwalker said:
Great analysis.NickPalmer said:
I would extend the disadvantaged age threshold to under 50.
Anyone 50 or over reached the age of 30 before 2003 and was therefore able to get on the housing ladder before the great inflation of the 2000s.
I am 44 and only *just* managed to get on to a property that suited me in 2011. It was already probably 2x more expensive than it had been a decade before. It is now 2x more again.1 -
Certainly due one then. The most recent of those is 2016.LostPassword said:
The three greatest events (i.e. betting victories) on pb.com were:viewcode said:
His partner was dependent on medication from the EU. Meeks was angry about this as he feared supplies would be disrupted by Brexit. Leavers were less than sympathetic, and escalation took place. Alastair left and never looked back. PB is frequently - how can I put this - interesting and it can serve as a useful early warning system for whatever the mad fuck politariat are planning this week, but it is not always necessary, and he worked out he could cope perfectly well without us.Anabobazina said:
Agreed. Anyone know why he left? He was prolific, then seemingly disappeared overnight.twistedfirestopper3 said:
We often lament about posters who disappear, but I think AM was a genuine loss to the site.NickPalmer said:
Some PBers have blogs: Cyclefree has one, Alastair has one, Isam has/had one. Are there any others?
1. The 50-1 bet by OGH on Obama for US President.
2. The SNP to sweep the board at the 2015GE.
3. AndyJS' legendary spreadsheet for the Brexit referendum.
Will the site produce another betting victory to compare with those past triumphs?0 -
Newspaper circulation has fallen off a cliff in the past five years. You can see why, when so many of them insult the intelligence of their readership in this way. If the proprietors continue down this path of pure propaganda I can see several very long established titles going under pretty soon.bigjohnowls said:14 months of this from the Tory rags building to a crescendo at GE 2024
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/19/keir-starmer-is-now-the-least-trustworthy-man-in-british-po/
Sad thing is, for several of them, it really will not be a loss.3 -
It was actually SeanT that finally made tim pack his bags (I assume it's tim you're referring to). The business with EdP and Plato (EdP did the actual doxing; Plato merely used the information to post a picture of tim's house) happened several months before, and tim let it pass at the time.Peter_the_Punter said:
He thought he'd been outed, which would certainly be beyond the pale if true.viewcode said:
Although I do get your point, Charles's complaint was that somebody mentioned a family member, despite the fact that it was Charles who had named them in the first place. I am happy to keep the privacy of commentators, as witnessed by my treatment of @Miklosvar, but others may not be so ethical.Taz said:
I’ve been here a couple of years and Leon has left a few times. A cheap dig at @BartholomewRoberts doesnt mean he’s the one who drove them off the site. Whereas we know some posters have actually driven members off the site. Like Charles.kinabalu said:
Yes I remember it well. Seems for each poster who leaves there's a very different reason, no theme. Eg Leon, just the other day, it was triggered by a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Bartholomew Roberts. Whereas with Mr Meeks it was after a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Philip Thompson.Anabobazina said:
Agreed. Anyone know why he left? He was prolific, then seemingly disappeared overnight.twistedfirestopper3 said:
We often lament about posters who disappear, but I think AM was a genuine loss to the site.NickPalmer said:
I can think of only one instance of this before on this Site. The culprit was the late Plato, and that led to the departure of an excellent poster.
It's surprising it doesn't happen more often, which is a tribute to the standard of posters here, as well as the mods and the managers.
[Btw, have just answered your private message.]0 -
Yes that was very good. 250 into evens at one point.TOPPING said:
@BartholomewRoberts' Rishi tip.LostPassword said:
The three greatest events (i.e. betting victories) on pb.com were:viewcode said:
His partner was dependent on medication from the EU. Meeks was angry about this as he feared supplies would be disrupted by Brexit. Leavers were less than sympathetic, and escalation took place. Alastair left and never looked back. PB is frequently - how can I put this - interesting and it can serve as a useful early warning system for whatever the mad fuck politariat are planning this week, but it is not always necessary, and he worked out he could cope perfectly well without us.Anabobazina said:
Agreed. Anyone know why he left? He was prolific, then seemingly disappeared overnight.twistedfirestopper3 said:
We often lament about posters who disappear, but I think AM was a genuine loss to the site.NickPalmer said:
Some PBers have blogs: Cyclefree has one, Alastair has one, Isam has/had one. Are there any others?
1. The 50-1 bet by OGH on Obama for US President.
2. The SNP to sweep the board at the 2015GE.
3. AndyJS' legendary spreadsheet for the Brexit referendum.
Will the site produce another betting victory to compare with those past triumphs?1 -
Hurrah!DavidL said:
My daughter had a brilliant definition of middle class. Middle class people were those that could keep the same alcohol in the house for more than a week. It really works and differentiates between those who genuinely live hand to mouth and those who just have that little band of comfort, even if it is psychological.FrankBooth said:
I presume 2/3 of children having a parent born outside the UK is in reference to London. It is 1/3 for the UK as a whole I think.NickPalmer said:
Further proof that I am not middle class.
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Absolutely filthy weather for the bank holiday weekend coming up. Make the most of what we have now.0
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The US is anything but boring.Peter_the_Punter said:
Nah, I think he just got a bit bored. Politics is a bit boring at the moment and probably will continue that way for a while, I think.Stark_Dawning said:
I sensed that Leon was becoming increasingly frustrated at the lack of deference he was receiving for the spine-tingling accuracy of some of his prophecies: AI and Lab Leak in particular.kinabalu said:
Yes I remember it well. Seems for each poster who leaves there's a very different reason, no theme. Eg Leon, just the other day, it was triggered by a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Bartholomew Roberts. Whereas with Mr Meeks it was after a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Philip Thompson.Anabobazina said:
Agreed. Anyone know why he left? He was prolific, then seemingly disappeared overnight.twistedfirestopper3 said:
We often lament about posters who disappear, but I think AM was a genuine loss to the site.NickPalmer said:
He'll be back, but the Site will survive if he isn't.0 -
Sean Thomas outed Tim I thinkPeter_the_Punter said:
Fairy nuff, but outing is still outing.Pagan2 said:
To be fair to plato said poster was a mysogynist arsehole that targetted female posters for vituperation. I feel no loss to the site that he fucked offPeter_the_Punter said:
He thought he'd been outed, which would certainly be beyond the pale if true.viewcode said:
Although I do get your point, Charles's complaint was that somebody mentioned a family member, despite the fact that it was Charles who had named them in the first place. I am happy to keep the privacy of commentators, as witnessed by my treatment of @Miklosvar, but others may not be so ethical.Taz said:
I’ve been here a couple of years and Leon has left a few times. A cheap dig at @BartholomewRoberts doesnt mean he’s the one who drove them off the site. Whereas we know some posters have actually driven members off the site. Like Charles.kinabalu said:
Yes I remember it well. Seems for each poster who leaves there's a very different reason, no theme. Eg Leon, just the other day, it was triggered by a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Bartholomew Roberts. Whereas with Mr Meeks it was after a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Philip Thompson.Anabobazina said:
Agreed. Anyone know why he left? He was prolific, then seemingly disappeared overnight.twistedfirestopper3 said:
We often lament about posters who disappear, but I think AM was a genuine loss to the site.NickPalmer said:
I can think of only one instance of this before on this Site. The culprit was the late Plato, and that led to the departure of an excellent poster.
It's surprising it doesn't happen more often, which is a tribute to the standard of posters here, as well as the mods and the managers.
[Btw, have just answered your private message.]0 -
What about my Labour lead?kinabalu said:
Yes that was very good. 250 into evens at one point.TOPPING said:
@BartholomewRoberts' Rishi tip.LostPassword said:
The three greatest events (i.e. betting victories) on pb.com were:viewcode said:
His partner was dependent on medication from the EU. Meeks was angry about this as he feared supplies would be disrupted by Brexit. Leavers were less than sympathetic, and escalation took place. Alastair left and never looked back. PB is frequently - how can I put this - interesting and it can serve as a useful early warning system for whatever the mad fuck politariat are planning this week, but it is not always necessary, and he worked out he could cope perfectly well without us.Anabobazina said:
Agreed. Anyone know why he left? He was prolific, then seemingly disappeared overnight.twistedfirestopper3 said:
We often lament about posters who disappear, but I think AM was a genuine loss to the site.NickPalmer said:
Some PBers have blogs: Cyclefree has one, Alastair has one, Isam has/had one. Are there any others?
1. The 50-1 bet by OGH on Obama for US President.
2. The SNP to sweep the board at the 2015GE.
3. AndyJS' legendary spreadsheet for the Brexit referendum.
Will the site produce another betting victory to compare with those past triumphs?2 -
It's the cocktail hour: Becherovka mixed with Coop alcohol-free Pina Colada.
A winning combination.
And no prizes for guessing what Wor Lass brought me back from Prague!0 -
Yes, it was Tim but I couldn't remember the name.Stark_Dawning said:
It was actually SeanT that finally made tim pack his bags (I assume it's tim you're referring to). The business with EdP and Plato (EdP did the actual doxing; Plato merely used the information to post a picture of tim's house) happened several months before, and tim let it pass at the time.Peter_the_Punter said:
He thought he'd been outed, which would certainly be beyond the pale if true.viewcode said:
Although I do get your point, Charles's complaint was that somebody mentioned a family member, despite the fact that it was Charles who had named them in the first place. I am happy to keep the privacy of commentators, as witnessed by my treatment of @Miklosvar, but others may not be so ethical.Taz said:
I’ve been here a couple of years and Leon has left a few times. A cheap dig at @BartholomewRoberts doesnt mean he’s the one who drove them off the site. Whereas we know some posters have actually driven members off the site. Like Charles.kinabalu said:
Yes I remember it well. Seems for each poster who leaves there's a very different reason, no theme. Eg Leon, just the other day, it was triggered by a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Bartholomew Roberts. Whereas with Mr Meeks it was after a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Philip Thompson.Anabobazina said:
Agreed. Anyone know why he left? He was prolific, then seemingly disappeared overnight.twistedfirestopper3 said:
We often lament about posters who disappear, but I think AM was a genuine loss to the site.NickPalmer said:
I can think of only one instance of this before on this Site. The culprit was the late Plato, and that led to the departure of an excellent poster.
It's surprising it doesn't happen more often, which is a tribute to the standard of posters here, as well as the mods and the managers.
[Btw, have just answered your private message.]
I wouldn't want to go into the details even if I could remember them accurately but I think posting a pic of someone's house without their consent is a bit much.0 -
If it is the poster I am thinking of, it was when the site was at its most loyal to the Conservative/conservative cause and dissent was slapped down with ruthless abandon, and he was very outspoken against all that was then good and righteous. It is around the time I took several years leave of absence.Pagan2 said:
I don't condone the outing, I also don't condone the actions he committed leading her to do itPeter_the_Punter said:
Fairy nuff, but outing is still outing.Pagan2 said:
To be fair to plato said poster was a mysogynist arsehole that targetted female posters for vituperation. I feel no loss to the site that he fucked offPeter_the_Punter said:
He thought he'd been outed, which would certainly be beyond the pale if true.viewcode said:
Although I do get your point, Charles's complaint was that somebody mentioned a family member, despite the fact that it was Charles who had named them in the first place. I am happy to keep the privacy of commentators, as witnessed by my treatment of @Miklosvar, but others may not be so ethical.Taz said:
I’ve been here a couple of years and Leon has left a few times. A cheap dig at @BartholomewRoberts doesnt mean he’s the one who drove them off the site. Whereas we know some posters have actually driven members off the site. Like Charles.kinabalu said:
Yes I remember it well. Seems for each poster who leaves there's a very different reason, no theme. Eg Leon, just the other day, it was triggered by a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Bartholomew Roberts. Whereas with Mr Meeks it was after a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Philip Thompson.Anabobazina said:
Agreed. Anyone know why he left? He was prolific, then seemingly disappeared overnight.twistedfirestopper3 said:
We often lament about posters who disappear, but I think AM was a genuine loss to the site.NickPalmer said:
I can think of only one instance of this before on this Site. The culprit was the late Plato, and that led to the departure of an excellent poster.
It's surprising it doesn't happen more often, which is a tribute to the standard of posters here, as well as the mods and the managers.
[Btw, have just answered your private message.]
If it is that poster, he was very knowledgeable and a punter. A knowledgeable punter too.1 -
There was one week when Cabinet Members were dropping like flies and (I think it was) @TSE predicted two 30plus-to-one shots back to back, a cumulative probability of 900ish/1 . In terms of single odds, if the prediction of Chris Christie for POTUS at 120/1 comes off, it'll be the greatest single-odds winner in my memory. @RodCrosby predicted a Cameron 2015 majority, and I think the odds were 10+/1. There was also one case (@Sandpit?) who pointed out that the odds on the LDs getting X+ seats (where X=20 or 30, I forget which) were wildly out and free money existed for about three hours until they recalibrated.LostPassword said:
The three greatest events (i.e. betting victories) on pb.com were:viewcode said:
His partner was dependent on medication from the EU. Meeks was angry about this as he feared supplies would be disrupted by Brexit. Leavers were less than sympathetic, and escalation took place. Alastair left and never looked back. PB is frequently - how can I put this - interesting and it can serve as a useful early warning system for whatever the mad fuck politariat are planning this week, but it is not always necessary, and he worked out he could cope perfectly well without us.Anabobazina said:
Agreed. Anyone know why he left? He was prolific, then seemingly disappeared overnight.twistedfirestopper3 said:
We often lament about posters who disappear, but I think AM was a genuine loss to the site.NickPalmer said:
Some PBers have blogs: Cyclefree has one, Alastair has one, Isam has/had one. Are there any others?
1. The 50-1 bet by OGH on Obama for US President.
2. The SNP to sweep the board at the 2015GE.
3. AndyJS' legendary spreadsheet for the Brexit referendum.
Will the site produce another betting victory to compare with those past triumphs?1 -
Gold medals do not come along that often for us in the athletic world championships so KJT's performance should be loudly applauded!londonpubman said:
👍👍👍Sandpit said:Gold for KJT!!! 🥇
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They are one of the larger populations in Europe, and even if poor by comparison it's fair to assume they will have an outsized military after all this.williamglenn said:
Ukraine will come out of this as a major European power in its own right.LostPassword said:The Ukrainians are claiming to have destroyed one of Russia's 65 Tu-22M3 long range bomber aircraft with a UAV that hit a Russian airbase in Novgorod. These bombers have been used to fire long-range missiles at Ukraine from as far away as the Caspian Sea.
There's been a large expansion in Ukraine's home-produced drone capability this year. A capability that isn't subject to the restriction not to hit targets in Russia that applies to weapons supplied by NATO countries.0 -
Foxy advising everyone that Leicester were serious title contenders was a decent tip too, albeit not political. And of course he did very nicely from his pre-season bet.7
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He was fantastically snarky and dry - despite being the opposite on the political spectrum I loved his posts. He would bring a stiletto and a bazooka to a conker match.Mexicanpete said:
If it is the poster I am thinking of, it was when the site was at its most loyal to the Conservative/conservative cause and dissent was slapped down with ruthless abandon, and he was very outspoken against all that was then good and righteous. It is around the time I took several years leave of absence.Pagan2 said:
I don't condone the outing, I also don't condone the actions he committed leading her to do itPeter_the_Punter said:
Fairy nuff, but outing is still outing.Pagan2 said:
To be fair to plato said poster was a mysogynist arsehole that targetted female posters for vituperation. I feel no loss to the site that he fucked offPeter_the_Punter said:
He thought he'd been outed, which would certainly be beyond the pale if true.viewcode said:
Although I do get your point, Charles's complaint was that somebody mentioned a family member, despite the fact that it was Charles who had named them in the first place. I am happy to keep the privacy of commentators, as witnessed by my treatment of @Miklosvar, but others may not be so ethical.Taz said:
I’ve been here a couple of years and Leon has left a few times. A cheap dig at @BartholomewRoberts doesnt mean he’s the one who drove them off the site. Whereas we know some posters have actually driven members off the site. Like Charles.kinabalu said:
Yes I remember it well. Seems for each poster who leaves there's a very different reason, no theme. Eg Leon, just the other day, it was triggered by a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Bartholomew Roberts. Whereas with Mr Meeks it was after a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Philip Thompson.Anabobazina said:
Agreed. Anyone know why he left? He was prolific, then seemingly disappeared overnight.twistedfirestopper3 said:
We often lament about posters who disappear, but I think AM was a genuine loss to the site.NickPalmer said:
I can think of only one instance of this before on this Site. The culprit was the late Plato, and that led to the departure of an excellent poster.
It's surprising it doesn't happen more often, which is a tribute to the standard of posters here, as well as the mods and the managers.
[Btw, have just answered your private message.]
If it is that poster, he was very knowledgeable and a punter. A knowledgeable punter too.1 -
Lab Leak he was incredibly invested in. Don't know if he'll return but I would hope so. Yucky politics but a very skilled writer. Mind you, there's a few PBers who are. Once I stopped talking on here and did a bit more listening I realized that.Stark_Dawning said:
I sensed that Leon was becoming increasingly frustrated at the lack of deference he was receiving for the spine-tingling accuracy of some of his prophecies: AI and Lab Leak in particular.kinabalu said:
Yes I remember it well. Seems for each poster who leaves there's a very different reason, no theme. Eg Leon, just the other day, it was triggered by a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Bartholomew Roberts. Whereas with Mr Meeks it was after a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Philip Thompson.Anabobazina said:
Agreed. Anyone know why he left? He was prolific, then seemingly disappeared overnight.twistedfirestopper3 said:
We often lament about posters who disappear, but I think AM was a genuine loss to the site.NickPalmer said:0 -
Indeed so. She was hoping to be in contention, but didn’t expect to be right up there. A PB in the 800m as well, two seconds slower and shee have lost that gold medal.londonpubman said:
Gold medals do not come along that often for us in the athletic world championships so KJT's performance should be loudly applauded!londonpubman said:
👍👍👍Sandpit said:Gold for KJT!!! 🥇
Tomorrow’s front page picture editors now have a decision to make! I’d go for the winner.
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You sound like a fungusesPeter_the_Punter said:
Bart, you've really disappointed me.BartholomewRoberts said:
No, it won't.HYUFD said:
Of course it would be a shock especially given the big Yes lead at the start of the campaign and also show deep cultural divisions in Australia on the extent of wokeness and its historyBartholomewRoberts said:
No, you're showing your lack of knowledge again, it won't be that much of a shock.HYUFD said:
Yes which would be shock for Australia on a par with Brexit here.MikeL said:Polling for Australian Indigenous Voice is interesting.
Started with huge support for Yes but now looks likely that No will win.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2023_Australian_Indigenous_Voice_referendum
Looks like Victoria, Tasmania (and NT and ACT will vote for) but South Australia, NSW and overwhelmingly Western Australia and Queensland will vote against
Almost every proposed referendum in Australian history has failed. Referendums failing down-under is the norm, not a shock.
Robert Menzies famously once said The truth of the matter is that to get an affirmative vote from the Australian people on a referendum proposal is one of the labours of Hercules.
The truth is that referenda in Australia have typically followed such a pattern. Its something I studied, in school, down-under in the 90s (ie prior to the republic referendum). Its a well known and well understood phenomenon. The same happened with the republic referendum, started with large Yes poll leads, then became the typical No by the time of the poll.
So please stop trying to pretend otherwise.
We all know about Latin plurals but this is England and we are English. Referendums please, or wear a toga when posting.
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Charles' departure was a loss to the site. There aren't many old-school Tories left. Just the aspirational sort with over-wide lapels.TOPPING said:
Charles never shrunk from telling us about his family so one poster told him about his (Charles') family and Charles wasn't happy so off he fucked.Peter_the_Punter said:
He thought he'd been outed, which would certainly be beyond the pale if true.viewcode said:
Although I do get your point, Charles's complaint was that somebody mentioned a family member, despite the fact that it was Charles who had named them in the first place. I am happy to keep the privacy of commentators, as witnessed by my treatment of @Miklosvar, but others may not be so ethical.Taz said:
I’ve been here a couple of years and Leon has left a few times. A cheap dig at @BartholomewRoberts doesnt mean he’s the one who drove them off the site. Whereas we know some posters have actually driven members off the site. Like Charles.kinabalu said:
Yes I remember it well. Seems for each poster who leaves there's a very different reason, no theme. Eg Leon, just the other day, it was triggered by a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Bartholomew Roberts. Whereas with Mr Meeks it was after a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Philip Thompson.Anabobazina said:
Agreed. Anyone know why he left? He was prolific, then seemingly disappeared overnight.twistedfirestopper3 said:
We often lament about posters who disappear, but I think AM was a genuine loss to the site.NickPalmer said:
I can think of only one instance of this before on this Site. The culprit was the late Plato, and that led to the departure of an excellent poster.
It's surprising it doesn't happen more often, which is a tribute to the standard of posters here, as well as the mods and the managers.
[Btw, have just answered your private message.]2 -
Not really. Many of us really, really wanted to find some common ground with him but he was so furious all the time on tge subject it was impossible. He rana regular column subtitled 'Why no voters are all awful'. I paraphrase only slightly.Theuniondivvie said:
More that Brexiteers messed with him? They were at their most aggressively triumphant at that point I think.Gardenwalker said:
Brexit messed with him, like it did so many.Anabobazina said:
Agreed. Anyone know why he left? He was prolific, then seemingly disappeared overnight.twistedfirestopper3 said:
We often lament about posters who disappear, but I think AM was a genuine loss to the site.NickPalmer said:
I really liked him prior to Brexit, but Brexit sent him madder than most.2 -
Even in the Leon persona he'd said before he'd go and didn't. He'll be happy just to be talked about.kinabalu said:
Lab Leak he was incredibly invested in. Don't know if he'll return but I would hope so. Yucky politics but a very skilled writer. Mind you, there's a few PBers who are. Once I stopped talking on here and did a bit more listening I realized that.Stark_Dawning said:
I sensed that Leon was becoming increasingly frustrated at the lack of deference he was receiving for the spine-tingling accuracy of some of his prophecies: AI and Lab Leak in particular.kinabalu said:
Yes I remember it well. Seems for each poster who leaves there's a very different reason, no theme. Eg Leon, just the other day, it was triggered by a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Bartholomew Roberts. Whereas with Mr Meeks it was after a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Philip Thompson.Anabobazina said:
Agreed. Anyone know why he left? He was prolific, then seemingly disappeared overnight.twistedfirestopper3 said:
We often lament about posters who disappear, but I think AM was a genuine loss to the site.NickPalmer said:1 -
Indeed, doxxing has driven out a fair few in my time here.Peter_the_Punter said:
Fairy nuff, but outing is still outing.Pagan2 said:
To be fair to plato said poster was a mysogynist arsehole that targetted female posters for vituperation. I feel no loss to the site that he fucked offPeter_the_Punter said:
He thought he'd been outed, which would certainly be beyond the pale if true.viewcode said:
Although I do get your point, Charles's complaint was that somebody mentioned a family member, despite the fact that it was Charles who had named them in the first place. I am happy to keep the privacy of commentators, as witnessed by my treatment of @Miklosvar, but others may not be so ethical.Taz said:
I’ve been here a couple of years and Leon has left a few times. A cheap dig at @BartholomewRoberts doesnt mean he’s the one who drove them off the site. Whereas we know some posters have actually driven members off the site. Like Charles.kinabalu said:
Yes I remember it well. Seems for each poster who leaves there's a very different reason, no theme. Eg Leon, just the other day, it was triggered by a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Bartholomew Roberts. Whereas with Mr Meeks it was after a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Philip Thompson.Anabobazina said:
Agreed. Anyone know why he left? He was prolific, then seemingly disappeared overnight.twistedfirestopper3 said:
We often lament about posters who disappear, but I think AM was a genuine loss to the site.NickPalmer said:
I can think of only one instance of this before on this Site. The culprit was the late Plato, and that led to the departure of an excellent poster.
It's surprising it doesn't happen more often, which is a tribute to the standard of posters here, as well as the mods and the managers.
[Btw, have just answered your private message.]
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Gah. 'Why Leave voters are awful', I meant. Must have got subliminally confused on referenda as I was replying to a Nat!Cookie said:
Not really. Many of us really, really wanted to find some common ground with him but he was so furious all the time on tge subject it was impossible. He rana regular column subtitled 'Why no voters are all awful'. I paraphrase only slightly.Theuniondivvie said:
More that Brexiteers messed with him? They were at their most aggressively triumphant at that point I think.Gardenwalker said:
Brexit messed with him, like it did so many.Anabobazina said:
Agreed. Anyone know why he left? He was prolific, then seemingly disappeared overnight.twistedfirestopper3 said:
We often lament about posters who disappear, but I think AM was a genuine loss to the site.NickPalmer said:
I really liked him prior to Brexit, but Brexit sent him madder than most.0 -
In 2017 I had two 33/1 winners in the space of 12 hours.viewcode said:
There was one week when Cabinet Members were dropping like flies and (I think it was) @TSE predicted two 30plus-to-one shots back to back, a cumulative probability of 900ish/1 . In terms of single odds, if the prediction of Chris Christie for POTUS at 120/1 comes off, it'll be the greatest single-odds winner in my memory. @RodCrosby predicted a Cameron 2015 majority, and I think the odds were 10+/1. There was also one case (@Sandpit?) who pointed out that the odds on the LDs getting X+ seats (where X=20 or 30, I forget which) were wildly out and free money existed for about three hours until they recalibrated.LostPassword said:
The three greatest events (i.e. betting victories) on pb.com were:viewcode said:
His partner was dependent on medication from the EU. Meeks was angry about this as he feared supplies would be disrupted by Brexit. Leavers were less than sympathetic, and escalation took place. Alastair left and never looked back. PB is frequently - how can I put this - interesting and it can serve as a useful early warning system for whatever the mad fuck politariat are planning this week, but it is not always necessary, and he worked out he could cope perfectly well without us.Anabobazina said:
Agreed. Anyone know why he left? He was prolific, then seemingly disappeared overnight.twistedfirestopper3 said:
We often lament about posters who disappear, but I think AM was a genuine loss to the site.NickPalmer said:
Some PBers have blogs: Cyclefree has one, Alastair has one, Isam has/had one. Are there any others?
1. The 50-1 bet by OGH on Obama for US President.
2. The SNP to sweep the board at the 2015GE.
3. AndyJS' legendary spreadsheet for the Brexit referendum.
Will the site produce another betting victory to compare with those past triumphs?
Amber Rudd as next out of the cabinet then Sajid Javid as next Home Secretary.
If only we could do accumulators on political bets.2 -
Tim is one of the all-time greats of PB, the site is much the weaker for his departure.boulay said:
He was fantastically snarky and dry - despite being the opposite on the political spectrum I loved his posts. He would bring a stiletto and a bazooka to a conker match.Mexicanpete said:
If it is the poster I am thinking of, it was when the site was at its most loyal to the Conservative/conservative cause and dissent was slapped down with ruthless abandon, and he was very outspoken against all that was then good and righteous. It is around the time I took several years leave of absence.Pagan2 said:
I don't condone the outing, I also don't condone the actions he committed leading her to do itPeter_the_Punter said:
Fairy nuff, but outing is still outing.Pagan2 said:
To be fair to plato said poster was a mysogynist arsehole that targetted female posters for vituperation. I feel no loss to the site that he fucked offPeter_the_Punter said:
He thought he'd been outed, which would certainly be beyond the pale if true.viewcode said:
Although I do get your point, Charles's complaint was that somebody mentioned a family member, despite the fact that it was Charles who had named them in the first place. I am happy to keep the privacy of commentators, as witnessed by my treatment of @Miklosvar, but others may not be so ethical.Taz said:
I’ve been here a couple of years and Leon has left a few times. A cheap dig at @BartholomewRoberts doesnt mean he’s the one who drove them off the site. Whereas we know some posters have actually driven members off the site. Like Charles.kinabalu said:
Yes I remember it well. Seems for each poster who leaves there's a very different reason, no theme. Eg Leon, just the other day, it was triggered by a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Bartholomew Roberts. Whereas with Mr Meeks it was after a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Philip Thompson.Anabobazina said:
Agreed. Anyone know why he left? He was prolific, then seemingly disappeared overnight.twistedfirestopper3 said:
We often lament about posters who disappear, but I think AM was a genuine loss to the site.NickPalmer said:
I can think of only one instance of this before on this Site. The culprit was the late Plato, and that led to the departure of an excellent poster.
It's surprising it doesn't happen more often, which is a tribute to the standard of posters here, as well as the mods and the managers.
[Btw, have just answered your private message.]
If it is that poster, he was very knowledgeable and a punter. A knowledgeable punter too.1 -
Was that me, half-drunk at 4am on election night? I’ll have to check it myself when I’m on the computer, I’d think it more likely to be @rcs1000viewcode said:
There was one week when Cabinet Members were dropping like flies and (I think it was) @TSE predicted two 30plus-to-one shots back to back, a cumulative probability of 900ish/1 . In terms of single odds, if the prediction of Chris Christie for POTUS at 120/1 comes off, it'll be the greatest single-odds winner in my memory. @RodCrosby predicted a Cameron 2015 majority, and I think the odds were 10+/1. There was also one case (@Sandpit?) who pointed out that the odds on the LDs getting X+ seats (where X=20 or 30, I forget which) were wildly out and free money existed for about three hours until they recalibrated.LostPassword said:
The three greatest events (i.e. betting victories) on pb.com were:viewcode said:
His partner was dependent on medication from the EU. Meeks was angry about this as he feared supplies would be disrupted by Brexit. Leavers were less than sympathetic, and escalation took place. Alastair left and never looked back. PB is frequently - how can I put this - interesting and it can serve as a useful early warning system for whatever the mad fuck politariat are planning this week, but it is not always necessary, and he worked out he could cope perfectly well without us.Anabobazina said:
Agreed. Anyone know why he left? He was prolific, then seemingly disappeared overnight.twistedfirestopper3 said:
We often lament about posters who disappear, but I think AM was a genuine loss to the site.NickPalmer said:
Some PBers have blogs: Cyclefree has one, Alastair has one, Isam has/had one. Are there any others?
1. The 50-1 bet by OGH on Obama for US President.
2. The SNP to sweep the board at the 2015GE.
3. AndyJS' legendary spreadsheet for the Brexit referendum.
Will the site produce another betting victory to compare with those past triumphs?0 -
In Charles' case it was because somebody mentioned knowing one of his cousins in real life and then Charles left.
Personally I think Charles was insufferable and a bit of a tosser but I would support him coming back as I have recently changed my mind and banning people seems to achieve very little. I should know.1 -
There's clearly tradeoffs between the two sectors, which are not homogenous even within themselves, so I never quite get like it is portrayed that one is so much superior to the other in some very obvious way - if that were so, why do we have anyone in the shit one, whichever that is?bigjohnowls said:
Go and work in the Public Sector then.Pagan2 said:
There will be a growing divide because of this between private and public sector workers. Personally getting fed up with friends that work public sector telling me that their pensions aren't gold plated as they will give them only 10k to 15k a year. I have contributed more than them and my dc pension will pay me the square root of fuck all due to 20 years of low interest rates....so much for the miracle of cumulative interestMightyAlex said:
For me its the defined benefit/defined contribution pension gap. Seems to map quite cleanly between those who benefited from high stability (un-globalised) jobs and the generation after.Gardenwalker said:
Great analysis.NickPalmer said:
I would extend the disadvantaged age threshold to under 50.
Anyone 50 or over reached the age of 30 before 2003 and was therefore able to get on the housing ladder before the great inflation of the 2000s.
I am 44 and only *just* managed to get on to a property that suited me in 2011. It was already probably 2x more expensive than it had been a decade before. It is now 2x more again.
Plenty of vacancies due to the shit wages
Yes yes, we couldn't have all one and not the other, but the point being when people complain about their one not being as good as the other, surely they can do something about that as an individual at least?0 -
Or my Truss comeback tip?CorrectHorseBat said:
What about my Labour lead?kinabalu said:
Yes that was very good. 250 into evens at one point.TOPPING said:
@BartholomewRoberts' Rishi tip.LostPassword said:
The three greatest events (i.e. betting victories) on pb.com were:viewcode said:
His partner was dependent on medication from the EU. Meeks was angry about this as he feared supplies would be disrupted by Brexit. Leavers were less than sympathetic, and escalation took place. Alastair left and never looked back. PB is frequently - how can I put this - interesting and it can serve as a useful early warning system for whatever the mad fuck politariat are planning this week, but it is not always necessary, and he worked out he could cope perfectly well without us.Anabobazina said:
Agreed. Anyone know why he left? He was prolific, then seemingly disappeared overnight.twistedfirestopper3 said:
We often lament about posters who disappear, but I think AM was a genuine loss to the site.NickPalmer said:
Some PBers have blogs: Cyclefree has one, Alastair has one, Isam has/had one. Are there any others?
1. The 50-1 bet by OGH on Obama for US President.
2. The SNP to sweep the board at the 2015GE.
3. AndyJS' legendary spreadsheet for the Brexit referendum.
Will the site produce another betting victory to compare with those past triumphs?
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Betting related post.
Elsewhere, the former Arkansas governor turned Trump critic Asa Hutchinson said he had qualified for the debate and would sign the pledge. Insisting that Trump would not be the nominee, Hutchinson refused to say what he would do if he was.
Speaking from Des Moines, Iowa, Hutchinson told CNN’s State of the Union: “I am pleased to announce that we have met … the polling criteria and now we have met the 40,000 individual donor criteria. We submitted to the RNC 42,000 individual donors and I’m delighted.”
FiveThirtyEight.com puts Hutchinson at 0.7% support – to 53.7% for Trump.
“I’ll sign the pledge,” Hutchinson said. “I’m confident Donald Trump is not going to be the nominee of the party. And I’ve always supported the nominee. So I’m gonna sign the pledge.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/20/trump-hutchinson-republican-debate-pence?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter1 -
Really? Well that beats everything. They were 4 digits. Another from ancient history though. Sounds like PB has been in serious decline approximately since I joined. 🤔SandyRentool said:Foxy advising everyone that Leicester were serious title contenders was a decent tip too, albeit not political. And of course he did very nicely from his pre-season bet.
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@rcs1000 predicting a Conservative majority of 80 before the polls closed at GE2019 was either genius or a lucky guess.Sandpit said:
Was that me, half-drunk at 4am on election night? I’ll have to check it myself when I’m on the computer, I’d think it more likely to be @rcs1000viewcode said:
There was one week when Cabinet Members were dropping like flies and (I think it was) @TSE predicted two 30plus-to-one shots back to back, a cumulative probability of 900ish/1 . In terms of single odds, if the prediction of Chris Christie for POTUS at 120/1 comes off, it'll be the greatest single-odds winner in my memory. @RodCrosby predicted a Cameron 2015 majority, and I think the odds were 10+/1. There was also one case (@Sandpit?) who pointed out that the odds on the LDs getting X+ seats (where X=20 or 30, I forget which) were wildly out and free money existed for about three hours until they recalibrated.LostPassword said:
The three greatest events (i.e. betting victories) on pb.com were:viewcode said:
His partner was dependent on medication from the EU. Meeks was angry about this as he feared supplies would be disrupted by Brexit. Leavers were less than sympathetic, and escalation took place. Alastair left and never looked back. PB is frequently - how can I put this - interesting and it can serve as a useful early warning system for whatever the mad fuck politariat are planning this week, but it is not always necessary, and he worked out he could cope perfectly well without us.Anabobazina said:
Agreed. Anyone know why he left? He was prolific, then seemingly disappeared overnight.twistedfirestopper3 said:
We often lament about posters who disappear, but I think AM was a genuine loss to the site.NickPalmer said:
Some PBers have blogs: Cyclefree has one, Alastair has one, Isam has/had one. Are there any others?
1. The 50-1 bet by OGH on Obama for US President.
2. The SNP to sweep the board at the 2015GE.
3. AndyJS' legendary spreadsheet for the Brexit referendum.
Will the site produce another betting victory to compare with those past triumphs?1 -
Absolutely. I come here for lots of reasons, none of them betting related, and Tim was always worth a read, especially when he was riled.Anabobazina said:
Tim is one of the all-time greats of PB, the site is much the weaker for his departure.boulay said:
He was fantastically snarky and dry - despite being the opposite on the political spectrum I loved his posts. He would bring a stiletto and a bazooka to a conker match.Mexicanpete said:
If it is the poster I am thinking of, it was when the site was at its most loyal to the Conservative/conservative cause and dissent was slapped down with ruthless abandon, and he was very outspoken against all that was then good and righteous. It is around the time I took several years leave of absence.Pagan2 said:
I don't condone the outing, I also don't condone the actions he committed leading her to do itPeter_the_Punter said:
Fairy nuff, but outing is still outing.Pagan2 said:
To be fair to plato said poster was a mysogynist arsehole that targetted female posters for vituperation. I feel no loss to the site that he fucked offPeter_the_Punter said:
He thought he'd been outed, which would certainly be beyond the pale if true.viewcode said:
Although I do get your point, Charles's complaint was that somebody mentioned a family member, despite the fact that it was Charles who had named them in the first place. I am happy to keep the privacy of commentators, as witnessed by my treatment of @Miklosvar, but others may not be so ethical.Taz said:
I’ve been here a couple of years and Leon has left a few times. A cheap dig at @BartholomewRoberts doesnt mean he’s the one who drove them off the site. Whereas we know some posters have actually driven members off the site. Like Charles.kinabalu said:
Yes I remember it well. Seems for each poster who leaves there's a very different reason, no theme. Eg Leon, just the other day, it was triggered by a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Bartholomew Roberts. Whereas with Mr Meeks it was after a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Philip Thompson.Anabobazina said:
Agreed. Anyone know why he left? He was prolific, then seemingly disappeared overnight.twistedfirestopper3 said:
We often lament about posters who disappear, but I think AM was a genuine loss to the site.NickPalmer said:
I can think of only one instance of this before on this Site. The culprit was the late Plato, and that led to the departure of an excellent poster.
It's surprising it doesn't happen more often, which is a tribute to the standard of posters here, as well as the mods and the managers.
[Btw, have just answered your private message.]
If it is that poster, he was very knowledgeable and a punter. A knowledgeable punter too.1 -
And forelock tuggers?Alphabet_Soup said:
Charles' departure was a loss to the site. There aren't many old-school Tories left. Just the aspirational sort with over-wide lapels.TOPPING said:
Charles never shrunk from telling us about his family so one poster told him about his (Charles') family and Charles wasn't happy so off he fucked.Peter_the_Punter said:
He thought he'd been outed, which would certainly be beyond the pale if true.viewcode said:
Although I do get your point, Charles's complaint was that somebody mentioned a family member, despite the fact that it was Charles who had named them in the first place. I am happy to keep the privacy of commentators, as witnessed by my treatment of @Miklosvar, but others may not be so ethical.Taz said:
I’ve been here a couple of years and Leon has left a few times. A cheap dig at @BartholomewRoberts doesnt mean he’s the one who drove them off the site. Whereas we know some posters have actually driven members off the site. Like Charles.kinabalu said:
Yes I remember it well. Seems for each poster who leaves there's a very different reason, no theme. Eg Leon, just the other day, it was triggered by a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Bartholomew Roberts. Whereas with Mr Meeks it was after a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Philip Thompson.Anabobazina said:
Agreed. Anyone know why he left? He was prolific, then seemingly disappeared overnight.twistedfirestopper3 said:
We often lament about posters who disappear, but I think AM was a genuine loss to the site.NickPalmer said:
I can think of only one instance of this before on this Site. The culprit was the late Plato, and that led to the departure of an excellent poster.
It's surprising it doesn't happen more often, which is a tribute to the standard of posters here, as well as the mods and the managers.
[Btw, have just answered your private message.]0 -
I see @Miklosvar has been banned. First offenceCorrectHorseBat said:In Charles' case it was because somebody mentioned knowing one of his cousins in real life and then Charles left.
Personally I think Charles was insufferable and a bit of a tosser but I would support him coming back as I have recently changed my mind and banning people seems to achieve very little. I should know.
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Wasn't @Miklosvar banned because yet again for having a slightly different view of Ukraine he was called a Russian plant?geoffw said:
I see @Miklosvar has been banned. First offenceCorrectHorseBat said:In Charles' case it was because somebody mentioned knowing one of his cousins in real life and then Charles left.
Personally I think Charles was insufferable and a bit of a tosser but I would support him coming back as I have recently changed my mind and banning people seems to achieve very little. I should know.
This site does operate as a bit of a hive-mind at times.0 -
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Yes. He reached a point of saying all Brexit advocates were pure evil and demanding they admit their error. It was due to an intensely personal circumstance.Cookie said:
Not really. Many of us really, really wanted to find some common ground with him but he was so furious all the time on tge subject it was impossible. He rana regular column subtitled 'Why no voters are all awful'. I paraphrase only slightly.Theuniondivvie said:
More that Brexiteers messed with him? They were at their most aggressively triumphant at that point I think.Gardenwalker said:
Brexit messed with him, like it did so many.Anabobazina said:
Agreed. Anyone know why he left? He was prolific, then seemingly disappeared overnight.twistedfirestopper3 said:
We often lament about posters who disappear, but I think AM was a genuine loss to the site.NickPalmer said:
I really liked him prior to Brexit, but Brexit sent him madder than most.
I think he left because being a constant rage was doing him harm, and he recognised that.2 -
He may have been a Scottish mountain in a previous incarnationCorrectHorseBat said:
Wasn't @Miklosvar banned because yet again for having a slightly different view of Ukraine he was called a Russian plant?geoffw said:
I see @Miklosvar has been banned. First offenceCorrectHorseBat said:In Charles' case it was because somebody mentioned knowing one of his cousins in real life and then Charles left.
Personally I think Charles was insufferable and a bit of a tosser but I would support him coming back as I have recently changed my mind and banning people seems to achieve very little. I should know.
This site does operate as a bit of a hive-mind at times.
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It’s another of those things whereFoxy said:
Indeed, doxxing has driven out a fair few in my time here.Peter_the_Punter said:
Fairy nuff, but outing is still outing.Pagan2 said:
To be fair to plato said poster was a mysogynist arsehole that targetted female posters for vituperation. I feel no loss to the site that he fucked offPeter_the_Punter said:
He thought he'd been outed, which would certainly be beyond the pale if true.viewcode said:
Although I do get your point, Charles's complaint was that somebody mentioned a family member, despite the fact that it was Charles who had named them in the first place. I am happy to keep the privacy of commentators, as witnessed by my treatment of @Miklosvar, but others may not be so ethical.Taz said:
I’ve been here a couple of years and Leon has left a few times. A cheap dig at @BartholomewRoberts doesnt mean he’s the one who drove them off the site. Whereas we know some posters have actually driven members off the site. Like Charles.kinabalu said:
Yes I remember it well. Seems for each poster who leaves there's a very different reason, no theme. Eg Leon, just the other day, it was triggered by a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Bartholomew Roberts. Whereas with Mr Meeks it was after a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Philip Thompson.Anabobazina said:
Agreed. Anyone know why he left? He was prolific, then seemingly disappeared overnight.twistedfirestopper3 said:
We often lament about posters who disappear, but I think AM was a genuine loss to the site.NickPalmer said:
I can think of only one instance of this before on this Site. The culprit was the late Plato, and that led to the departure of an excellent poster.
It's surprising it doesn't happen more often, which is a tribute to the standard of posters here, as well as the mods and the managers.
[Btw, have just answered your private message.]
1) it is never a good idea
2) people claim it was justified in this one case and why are other people upset with them?3 -
Afternoon all
The truth is many sold private pensions were sold a right pup predicated on stock markets keeping in front of inflation forever. "Managed" funds put into the stock market just haven't delivered what those selling them claimed they would.
The same happened with those savings plans to pay off mortgages which were supposedly going to pay off your mortgage at the end of its term - you paid the Interest and into the Savings Plan which would deliver the capital balance - mine didn't coming in several thousand short.
If inflation is 7% and the FTSE 100 is down 4%, there's no winner. Those who invest in managed funds are the equivalent of you all giving me £50 a race to bet at Lingfield tomorrow. You might get more than your £50 back but given my record as a tipster, it's more likely you'll end up with nothing.
"Public Sector Pensions" covers a gamut of schemes from the ones enjoyed by Police and Firefighters through the Local Government scheme to the Teachers' scheme. They aren't all the same.4 -
He only posted about his first class flights , fancy hotels , air miles and California / London mansions. Not one I miss for sure.Alphabet_Soup said:
Charles' departure was a loss to the site. There aren't many old-school Tories left. Just the aspirational sort with over-wide lapels.TOPPING said:
Charles never shrunk from telling us about his family so one poster told him about his (Charles') family and Charles wasn't happy so off he fucked.Peter_the_Punter said:
He thought he'd been outed, which would certainly be beyond the pale if true.viewcode said:
Although I do get your point, Charles's complaint was that somebody mentioned a family member, despite the fact that it was Charles who had named them in the first place. I am happy to keep the privacy of commentators, as witnessed by my treatment of @Miklosvar, but others may not be so ethical.Taz said:
I’ve been here a couple of years and Leon has left a few times. A cheap dig at @BartholomewRoberts doesnt mean he’s the one who drove them off the site. Whereas we know some posters have actually driven members off the site. Like Charles.kinabalu said:
Yes I remember it well. Seems for each poster who leaves there's a very different reason, no theme. Eg Leon, just the other day, it was triggered by a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Bartholomew Roberts. Whereas with Mr Meeks it was after a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Philip Thompson.Anabobazina said:
Agreed. Anyone know why he left? He was prolific, then seemingly disappeared overnight.twistedfirestopper3 said:
We often lament about posters who disappear, but I think AM was a genuine loss to the site.NickPalmer said:
I can think of only one instance of this before on this Site. The culprit was the late Plato, and that led to the departure of an excellent poster.
It's surprising it doesn't happen more often, which is a tribute to the standard of posters here, as well as the mods and the managers.
[Btw, have just answered your private message.]0 -
Other very good tips were the tip on Macron when no one had heard of him. (Something) in Paris was his name. I did very well on that.SandyRentool said:Foxy advising everyone that Leicester were serious title contenders was a decent tip too, albeit not political. And of course he did very nicely from his pre-season bet.
Really successful tips require unanticipated outcomes. At the moment though both here and USA look very predictable. That may be wrong of course.
I made £100+ on The Tories in Uxbridge recently. I am on the SNP in Rutherglen at 15/1, Nats being very sticky despite the last years shitshow in the SNP.1 -
He angered OGH for dissing @Cyclefree 's excellent header yesterday. A long running itch that @Miklosvar and his previous incarnation sadly kept feeling they needed to scratch. An excellent if controversial poster.CorrectHorseBat said:
Wasn't @Miklosvar banned because yet again for having a slightly different view of Ukraine he was called a Russian plant?geoffw said:
I see @Miklosvar has been banned. First offenceCorrectHorseBat said:In Charles' case it was because somebody mentioned knowing one of his cousins in real life and then Charles left.
Personally I think Charles was insufferable and a bit of a tosser but I would support him coming back as I have recently changed my mind and banning people seems to achieve very little. I should know.
This site does operate as a bit of a hive-mind at times.1 -
Most PBers, being right of centre, prefer the greater prospects of the private sector. It’s a pity that some don’t accept that others are willing to trade that for lower pay but better security and pensions; although I’m not so sure about the better security nowadays.kle4 said:
There's clearly tradeoffs between the two sectors, which are not homogenous even within themselves, so I never quite get like it is portrayed that one is so much superior to the other in some very obvious way - if that were so, why do we have anyone in the shit one, whichever that is?bigjohnowls said:
Go and work in the Public Sector then.Pagan2 said:
There will be a growing divide because of this between private and public sector workers. Personally getting fed up with friends that work public sector telling me that their pensions aren't gold plated as they will give them only 10k to 15k a year. I have contributed more than them and my dc pension will pay me the square root of fuck all due to 20 years of low interest rates....so much for the miracle of cumulative interestMightyAlex said:
For me its the defined benefit/defined contribution pension gap. Seems to map quite cleanly between those who benefited from high stability (un-globalised) jobs and the generation after.Gardenwalker said:
Great analysis.NickPalmer said:
I would extend the disadvantaged age threshold to under 50.
Anyone 50 or over reached the age of 30 before 2003 and was therefore able to get on the housing ladder before the great inflation of the 2000s.
I am 44 and only *just* managed to get on to a property that suited me in 2011. It was already probably 2x more expensive than it had been a decade before. It is now 2x more again.
Plenty of vacancies due to the shit wages
Yes yes, we couldn't have all one and not the other, but the point being when people complain about their one not being as good as the other, surely they can do something about that as an individual at least?
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He posted direct personal attacks on @Cyclefree, on the thread under her header, after Mike made it clear that such attacks would result in a ban.CorrectHorseBat said:
Wasn't @Miklosvar banned because yet again for having a slightly different view of Ukraine he was called a Russian plant?geoffw said:
I see @Miklosvar has been banned. First offenceCorrectHorseBat said:In Charles' case it was because somebody mentioned knowing one of his cousins in real life and then Charles left.
Personally I think Charles was insufferable and a bit of a tosser but I would support him coming back as I have recently changed my mind and banning people seems to achieve very little. I should know.
This site does operate as a bit of a hive-mind at times.3 -
There are some excellent posters here who I disagree with but find interesting, that is why I joined PB in the first place.Mexicanpete said:
He angered OGH for dissing @Cyclefree 's excellent header yesterday. A long running itch that @Miklosvar and his previous incarnation sadly kept feeling they needed to scratch. An excellent if controversial poster.CorrectHorseBat said:
Wasn't @Miklosvar banned because yet again for having a slightly different view of Ukraine he was called a Russian plant?geoffw said:
I see @Miklosvar has been banned. First offenceCorrectHorseBat said:In Charles' case it was because somebody mentioned knowing one of his cousins in real life and then Charles left.
Personally I think Charles was insufferable and a bit of a tosser but I would support him coming back as I have recently changed my mind and banning people seems to achieve very little. I should know.
This site does operate as a bit of a hive-mind at times.
The problem increasingly is that dissenting points of view are shut down too easily and too quickly. I don't see why if somebody isn't really pro Ukraine why they are necessarily a Russian stooge but that is the charge that is levelled.
@MrEd didn't seem to commit any crime and was routinely shut down until he was banned.1 -
I was lucky, managed to be protected for my FS pension due to my age and length of service when the new pensions were bought in. Colleagues just a bit younger than me found out they had to work longer and get a lot less than what they signed up for. Cost me a fair chunk of wages when we went on strike to try and stop it, even though it didn't really affect me.stodge said:Afternoon all
The truth is many sold private pensions were sold a right pup predicated on stock markets keeping in front of inflation forever. "Managed" funds put into the stock market just haven't delivered what those selling them claimed they would.
The same happened with those savings plans to pay off mortgages which were supposedly going to pay off your mortgage at the end of its term - you paid the Interest and into the Savings Plan which would deliver the capital balance - mine didn't coming in several thousand short.
If inflation is 7% and the FTSE 100 is down 4%, there's no winner. Those who invest in managed funds are the equivalent of you all giving me £50 a race to bet at Lingfield tomorrow. You might get more than your £50 back but given my record as a tipster, it's more likely you'll end up with nothing.
"Public Sector Pensions" covers a gamut of schemes from the ones enjoyed by Police and Firefighters through the Local Government scheme to the Teachers' scheme. They aren't all the same.1 -
Really? I'd say this site is more centrist than when I joined several years ago. It was much more pro-Tory then and for a time it was only me and about three others that were remotely pro-Labour/left.Fairliered said:
Most PBers, being right of centre, prefer the greater prospects of the private sector. It’s a pity that some don’t accept that others are willing to trade that for lower pay but better security and pensions; although I’m not so sure about the better security nowadays.kle4 said:
There's clearly tradeoffs between the two sectors, which are not homogenous even within themselves, so I never quite get like it is portrayed that one is so much superior to the other in some very obvious way - if that were so, why do we have anyone in the shit one, whichever that is?bigjohnowls said:
Go and work in the Public Sector then.Pagan2 said:
There will be a growing divide because of this between private and public sector workers. Personally getting fed up with friends that work public sector telling me that their pensions aren't gold plated as they will give them only 10k to 15k a year. I have contributed more than them and my dc pension will pay me the square root of fuck all due to 20 years of low interest rates....so much for the miracle of cumulative interestMightyAlex said:
For me its the defined benefit/defined contribution pension gap. Seems to map quite cleanly between those who benefited from high stability (un-globalised) jobs and the generation after.Gardenwalker said:
Great analysis.NickPalmer said:
I would extend the disadvantaged age threshold to under 50.
Anyone 50 or over reached the age of 30 before 2003 and was therefore able to get on the housing ladder before the great inflation of the 2000s.
I am 44 and only *just* managed to get on to a property that suited me in 2011. It was already probably 2x more expensive than it had been a decade before. It is now 2x more again.
Plenty of vacancies due to the shit wages
Yes yes, we couldn't have all one and not the other, but the point being when people complain about their one not being as good as the other, surely they can do something about that as an individual at least?1 -
Well there’s tomorrow’s provisional front page photo. Good luck to Zharnel Hughes in the 100m.
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What were personal about the attacks? Didn't he just say he objected to the length but I may have missed any more context.Malmesbury said:A
He posted direct personal attacks on @Cyclefree, on the thread under her header, after Mike made it clear that such attacks would result in a ban.CorrectHorseBat said:
Wasn't @Miklosvar banned because yet again for having a slightly different view of Ukraine he was called a Russian plant?geoffw said:
I see @Miklosvar has been banned. First offenceCorrectHorseBat said:In Charles' case it was because somebody mentioned knowing one of his cousins in real life and then Charles left.
Personally I think Charles was insufferable and a bit of a tosser but I would support him coming back as I have recently changed my mind and banning people seems to achieve very little. I should know.
This site does operate as a bit of a hive-mind at times.
Still, I think banning the user was the wrong approach. They had interesting stuff to say, as do you.0 -
He’s had numerous bans in the past and, no doubt, will have numerous bans in the future too.Malmesbury said:A
He posted direct personal attacks on @Cyclefree, on the thread under her header, after Mike made it clear that such attacks would result in a ban.CorrectHorseBat said:
Wasn't @Miklosvar banned because yet again for having a slightly different view of Ukraine he was called a Russian plant?geoffw said:
I see @Miklosvar has been banned. First offenceCorrectHorseBat said:In Charles' case it was because somebody mentioned knowing one of his cousins in real life and then Charles left.
Personally I think Charles was insufferable and a bit of a tosser but I would support him coming back as I have recently changed my mind and banning people seems to achieve very little. I should know.
This site does operate as a bit of a hive-mind at times.0 -
Are you talking about me? You are absolutely right - but I will try not to mis-behave againTaz said:
He’s had numerous bans in the past and, no doubt, will have numerous bans in the future too.Malmesbury said:A
He posted direct personal attacks on @Cyclefree, on the thread under her header, after Mike made it clear that such attacks would result in a ban.CorrectHorseBat said:
Wasn't @Miklosvar banned because yet again for having a slightly different view of Ukraine he was called a Russian plant?geoffw said:
I see @Miklosvar has been banned. First offenceCorrectHorseBat said:In Charles' case it was because somebody mentioned knowing one of his cousins in real life and then Charles left.
Personally I think Charles was insufferable and a bit of a tosser but I would support him coming back as I have recently changed my mind and banning people seems to achieve very little. I should know.
This site does operate as a bit of a hive-mind at times.0 -
Unless one uses the c-bomb, genuinely doxxes another poster, seriously insults another poster (I mean royally offends) or is an agent of Vladimir Putin, on the whole toleration is the watch word.CorrectHorseBat said:
There are some excellent posters here who I disagree with but find interesting, that is why I joined PB in the first place.Mexicanpete said:
He angered OGH for dissing @Cyclefree 's excellent header yesterday. A long running itch that @Miklosvar and his previous incarnation sadly kept feeling they needed to scratch. An excellent if controversial poster.CorrectHorseBat said:
Wasn't @Miklosvar banned because yet again for having a slightly different view of Ukraine he was called a Russian plant?geoffw said:
I see @Miklosvar has been banned. First offenceCorrectHorseBat said:In Charles' case it was because somebody mentioned knowing one of his cousins in real life and then Charles left.
Personally I think Charles was insufferable and a bit of a tosser but I would support him coming back as I have recently changed my mind and banning people seems to achieve very little. I should know.
This site does operate as a bit of a hive-mind at times.
The problem increasingly is that dissenting points of view are shut down too easily and too quickly. I don't see why if somebody isn't really pro Ukraine why they are necessarily a Russian stooge but that is the charge that is levelled.
@MrEd didn't seem to commit any crime and was routinely shut down until he was banned.
Mr Ed was a great poster but a genuinely scary character. Perhaps you got on with him because of the horse connection.0 -
FAKE NEWS! (clue: he wasn't called that!)CorrectHorseBat said:
Wasn't @Miklosvar banned because yet again for having a slightly different view of Ukraine he was called a Russian plant?geoffw said:
I see @Miklosvar has been banned. First offenceCorrectHorseBat said:In Charles' case it was because somebody mentioned knowing one of his cousins in real life and then Charles left.
Personally I think Charles was insufferable and a bit of a tosser but I would support him coming back as I have recently changed my mind and banning people seems to achieve very little. I should know.0 -
I work in the public sector because I see pensions as part of my renumeration. It baffles me that others don't do the same.Fairliered said:
Most PBers, being right of centre, prefer the greater prospects of the private sector. It’s a pity that some don’t accept that others are willing to trade that for lower pay but better security and pensions; although I’m not so sure about the better security nowadays.kle4 said:
There's clearly tradeoffs between the two sectors, which are not homogenous even within themselves, so I never quite get like it is portrayed that one is so much superior to the other in some very obvious way - if that were so, why do we have anyone in the shit one, whichever that is?bigjohnowls said:
Go and work in the Public Sector then.Pagan2 said:
There will be a growing divide because of this between private and public sector workers. Personally getting fed up with friends that work public sector telling me that their pensions aren't gold plated as they will give them only 10k to 15k a year. I have contributed more than them and my dc pension will pay me the square root of fuck all due to 20 years of low interest rates....so much for the miracle of cumulative interestMightyAlex said:
For me its the defined benefit/defined contribution pension gap. Seems to map quite cleanly between those who benefited from high stability (un-globalised) jobs and the generation after.Gardenwalker said:
Great analysis.NickPalmer said:
I would extend the disadvantaged age threshold to under 50.
Anyone 50 or over reached the age of 30 before 2003 and was therefore able to get on the housing ladder before the great inflation of the 2000s.
I am 44 and only *just* managed to get on to a property that suited me in 2011. It was already probably 2x more expensive than it had been a decade before. It is now 2x more again.
Plenty of vacancies due to the shit wages
Yes yes, we couldn't have all one and not the other, but the point being when people complain about their one not being as good as the other, surely they can do something about that as an individual at least?0 -
No. There are a number of posters on here who follow a pro-Russian, or at least a more neutral, position and they are not banned. Dura-Ace is one example that springs to mind.CorrectHorseBat said:
Wasn't @Miklosvar banned because yet again for having a slightly different view of Ukraine he was called a Russian plant?geoffw said:
I see @Miklosvar has been banned. First offenceCorrectHorseBat said:In Charles' case it was because somebody mentioned knowing one of his cousins in real life and then Charles left.
Personally I think Charles was insufferable and a bit of a tosser but I would support him coming back as I have recently changed my mind and banning people seems to achieve very little. I should know.
This site does operate as a bit of a hive-mind at times.
But crossing a line by ignoring repeated warnings not to make personal attacks on posters is pretty much gauranteed to get you banned. For clarity, I suspect it is not necesarily the personal attacks but ignoring the warnings that result in the departure.1 -
But MrEd didn't do any of those things. He had some out there views but nothing more than others who are still here.Mexicanpete said:
Unless one uses the c-bomb, genuinely doxxes another poster, seriously insults another poster (I mean royally offends) or is an agent of Vladimir Putin, on the whole toleration is the watch word.CorrectHorseBat said:
There are some excellent posters here who I disagree with but find interesting, that is why I joined PB in the first place.Mexicanpete said:
He angered OGH for dissing @Cyclefree 's excellent header yesterday. A long running itch that @Miklosvar and his previous incarnation sadly kept feeling they needed to scratch. An excellent if controversial poster.CorrectHorseBat said:
Wasn't @Miklosvar banned because yet again for having a slightly different view of Ukraine he was called a Russian plant?geoffw said:
I see @Miklosvar has been banned. First offenceCorrectHorseBat said:In Charles' case it was because somebody mentioned knowing one of his cousins in real life and then Charles left.
Personally I think Charles was insufferable and a bit of a tosser but I would support him coming back as I have recently changed my mind and banning people seems to achieve very little. I should know.
This site does operate as a bit of a hive-mind at times.
The problem increasingly is that dissenting points of view are shut down too easily and too quickly. I don't see why if somebody isn't really pro Ukraine why they are necessarily a Russian stooge but that is the charge that is levelled.
@MrEd didn't seem to commit any crime and was routinely shut down until he was banned.
Mr Ed was a great poster but a genuinely scary character. Perhaps you got on with him because of the horse connection.
He was always polite and pleasant. It really made no sense to ban him, he was one of the few very right wing posters I really liked reading.0 -
Mikslovar was banned because he took umbrage to Cyclefree’s header. Problem was that he took a position before her very good post that you don’t need a thousand words to critique the Lucy Letby situation, his position was, to précis, it’s wrong and shit and their is no defence or need to spin it out, just wrong on every level.CorrectHorseBat said:
Wasn't @Miklosvar banned because yet again for having a slightly different view of Ukraine he was called a Russian plant?geoffw said:
I see @Miklosvar has been banned. First offenceCorrectHorseBat said:In Charles' case it was because somebody mentioned knowing one of his cousins in real life and then Charles left.
Personally I think Charles was insufferable and a bit of a tosser but I would support him coming back as I have recently changed my mind and banning people seems to achieve very little. I should know.
This site does operate as a bit of a hive-mind at times.
Unfortunately Mikslovar is quite “all or nothing” and so stuck to guns and was his cantankerous self which didn’t go down well. It did come across potentially as rude to Cyclefree but if you are punchy to everyone then it’s not personal to Cyclefree. I didn’t see anything remotely sexist, just punchy. But it’s the choice of the site owner, to which we owe a lot, but it’s a shame that it was seen in a way it wasn’t.
I think it’s clear we like and need all voices and some of the funniest moments have been the explosions- I myself called for the death of senior Russian’s children in a moment of drunkenmadangerness- or flounces but the mix of attitudes, views, characters makes it PB and why it’s better than CIF or Mumsnet. We can be rude, punchy, silly, wrong, seriously wrong but it triggers discussions and debate.
So I get banning people for putting the site at risk legally, using the C word but not for being rude because there are always diamonds in the rough. Sometimes a lot of rough to get through but a wide range of knowledge, experience and booze addled thoughts.1 -
It's rather sad that one of the few prominent women on here seems to get a lot of abuse.Malmesbury said:A
He posted direct personal attacks on @Cyclefree, on the thread under her header, after Mike made it clear that such attacks would result in a ban.CorrectHorseBat said:
Wasn't @Miklosvar banned because yet again for having a slightly different view of Ukraine he was called a Russian plant?geoffw said:
I see @Miklosvar has been banned. First offenceCorrectHorseBat said:In Charles' case it was because somebody mentioned knowing one of his cousins in real life and then Charles left.
Personally I think Charles was insufferable and a bit of a tosser but I would support him coming back as I have recently changed my mind and banning people seems to achieve very little. I should know.
This site does operate as a bit of a hive-mind at times.4 -
I did a seven hour shift today. I like working Sundays; it's an easy day's work: like being an Amazon driver - no heavy bags of mail to carry while walking miles
What has started to annoy me a little bit about it is how many people say, "I didn't know Royal Mail worked Sundays!"
It's not annoying for anything of itself, just that I hear it so often and I'm bored of saying "oh yes we do"
Today (when it was said to me fifteen to twenty times) I decided on a different response: I told them all, in my poshest voice, that RM doesn't; I'm just an eccentric millionaire who does this for fun at the weekend
Every single person I said it to laughed heartily. I'm going to stick with it2 -
I must have missed the personal attacks he made, all I saw was commenting on the length of CycleFree's post.Richard_Tyndall said:
No. There are a number of posters on here who follow a pro-Russian, or at least a more neutral, position and they are not banned. Dura-Ace is one example that springs to mind.CorrectHorseBat said:
Wasn't @Miklosvar banned because yet again for having a slightly different view of Ukraine he was called a Russian plant?geoffw said:
I see @Miklosvar has been banned. First offenceCorrectHorseBat said:In Charles' case it was because somebody mentioned knowing one of his cousins in real life and then Charles left.
Personally I think Charles was insufferable and a bit of a tosser but I would support him coming back as I have recently changed my mind and banning people seems to achieve very little. I should know.
This site does operate as a bit of a hive-mind at times.
But crossing a line by ignoring repeated warnings not to make personal attacks on posters is pretty much gauranteed to get you banned. For clarity, I suspect it is not necesarily the personal attacks but ignoring the warnings that result in the departure.
I will add no more comment on Cyclefree myself as I do not wish to engage in anything that might impact me.0 -
He may have been a knowledgeable punter, didn't make him not a mysoginst arsehole. He went after posters because they were female. Now I have a reputation for belligerence but I don't think I have ever gone after a poster because of what they are merely what they say. Tim however would go after a female poster with spiteMexicanpete said:
If it is the poster I am thinking of, it was when the site was at its most loyal to the Conservative/conservative cause and dissent was slapped down with ruthless abandon, and he was very outspoken against all that was then good and righteous. It is around the time I took several years leave of absence.Pagan2 said:
I don't condone the outing, I also don't condone the actions he committed leading her to do itPeter_the_Punter said:
Fairy nuff, but outing is still outing.Pagan2 said:
To be fair to plato said poster was a mysogynist arsehole that targetted female posters for vituperation. I feel no loss to the site that he fucked offPeter_the_Punter said:
He thought he'd been outed, which would certainly be beyond the pale if true.viewcode said:
Although I do get your point, Charles's complaint was that somebody mentioned a family member, despite the fact that it was Charles who had named them in the first place. I am happy to keep the privacy of commentators, as witnessed by my treatment of @Miklosvar, but others may not be so ethical.Taz said:
I’ve been here a couple of years and Leon has left a few times. A cheap dig at @BartholomewRoberts doesnt mean he’s the one who drove them off the site. Whereas we know some posters have actually driven members off the site. Like Charles.kinabalu said:
Yes I remember it well. Seems for each poster who leaves there's a very different reason, no theme. Eg Leon, just the other day, it was triggered by a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Bartholomew Roberts. Whereas with Mr Meeks it was after a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Philip Thompson.Anabobazina said:
Agreed. Anyone know why he left? He was prolific, then seemingly disappeared overnight.twistedfirestopper3 said:
We often lament about posters who disappear, but I think AM was a genuine loss to the site.NickPalmer said:
I can think of only one instance of this before on this Site. The culprit was the late Plato, and that led to the departure of an excellent poster.
It's surprising it doesn't happen more often, which is a tribute to the standard of posters here, as well as the mods and the managers.
[Btw, have just answered your private message.]
If it is that poster, he was very knowledgeable and a punter. A knowledgeable punter too.0 -
Great post, totally agree with you.boulay said:
Mikslovar was banned because he took umbrage to Cyclefree’s header. Problem was that he took a position before her very good post that you don’t need a thousand words to critique the Lucy Letby situation, his position was, to précis, it’s wrong and shit and their is no defence or need to spin it out, just wrong on every level.CorrectHorseBat said:
Wasn't @Miklosvar banned because yet again for having a slightly different view of Ukraine he was called a Russian plant?geoffw said:
I see @Miklosvar has been banned. First offenceCorrectHorseBat said:In Charles' case it was because somebody mentioned knowing one of his cousins in real life and then Charles left.
Personally I think Charles was insufferable and a bit of a tosser but I would support him coming back as I have recently changed my mind and banning people seems to achieve very little. I should know.
This site does operate as a bit of a hive-mind at times.
Unfortunately Mikslovar is quite “all or nothing” and so stuck to guns and was his cantankerous self which didn’t go down well. It did come across potentially as rude to Cyclefree but if you are punchy to everyone then it’s not personal to Cyclefree. I didn’t see anything remotely sexist, just punchy. But it’s the choice of the site owner, to which we owe a lot, but it’s a shame that it was seen in a way it wasn’t.
I think it’s clear we like and need all voices and some of the funniest moments have been the explosions- I myself called for the death of senior Russian’s children in a moment of drunkenmadangerness- or flounces but the mix of attitudes, views, characters makes it PB and why it’s better than CIF or Mumsnet. We can be rude, punchy, silly, wrong, seriously wrong but it triggers discussions and debate.
So I get banning people for putting the site at risk legally, using the C word but not for being rude because there are always diamonds in the rough. Sometimes a lot of rough to get through but a wide range of knowledge, experience and booze addled thoughts.
I myself have been banned for using the C word so I now steer well clear of it. I just hope for taking a more "neutral" view on Ukraine I will not be accused of being a stooge as others were. As for Cyclefree I will make no further comment from now.0 -
How the hell can you sprint so hard for the last 1% of a 10km race, totally mad. Congrats to Cheptegei on three consecutive golds in the event, aged only 26.
Next up, the big one. Which will be all over in less than ten seconds!2 -
That is, um, misleading at best. He posted on a great many things and was certainly an asset to the site. I am sorry he is no longer around. Just like many other posters. Socrates, Alistair Meeks, Tim and dozens of others. Some I agreed with, others - like Tim and AM - I very much disagreed with but they were all asets to the site as they had their own unique perspectives on things.malcolmg said:
He only posted about his first class flights , fancy hotels , air miles and California / London mansions. Not one I miss for sure.Alphabet_Soup said:
Charles' departure was a loss to the site. There aren't many old-school Tories left. Just the aspirational sort with over-wide lapels.TOPPING said:
Charles never shrunk from telling us about his family so one poster told him about his (Charles') family and Charles wasn't happy so off he fucked.Peter_the_Punter said:
He thought he'd been outed, which would certainly be beyond the pale if true.viewcode said:
Although I do get your point, Charles's complaint was that somebody mentioned a family member, despite the fact that it was Charles who had named them in the first place. I am happy to keep the privacy of commentators, as witnessed by my treatment of @Miklosvar, but others may not be so ethical.Taz said:
I’ve been here a couple of years and Leon has left a few times. A cheap dig at @BartholomewRoberts doesnt mean he’s the one who drove them off the site. Whereas we know some posters have actually driven members off the site. Like Charles.kinabalu said:
Yes I remember it well. Seems for each poster who leaves there's a very different reason, no theme. Eg Leon, just the other day, it was triggered by a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Bartholomew Roberts. Whereas with Mr Meeks it was after a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Philip Thompson.Anabobazina said:
Agreed. Anyone know why he left? He was prolific, then seemingly disappeared overnight.twistedfirestopper3 said:
We often lament about posters who disappear, but I think AM was a genuine loss to the site.NickPalmer said:
I can think of only one instance of this before on this Site. The culprit was the late Plato, and that led to the departure of an excellent poster.
It's surprising it doesn't happen more often, which is a tribute to the standard of posters here, as well as the mods and the managers.
[Btw, have just answered your private message.]
This site is the poorer when people feel they can no longer participate.2 -
Though the recent rises in interest rates and bond yields may well shift the balance again. Annuity rates are markedly up on 2 years ago.stodge said:Afternoon all
The truth is many sold private pensions were sold a right pup predicated on stock markets keeping in front of inflation forever. "Managed" funds put into the stock market just haven't delivered what those selling them claimed they would.
The same happened with those savings plans to pay off mortgages which were supposedly going to pay off your mortgage at the end of its term - you paid the Interest and into the Savings Plan which would deliver the capital balance - mine didn't coming in several thousand short.
If inflation is 7% and the FTSE 100 is down 4%, there's no winner. Those who invest in managed funds are the equivalent of you all giving me £50 a race to bet at Lingfield tomorrow. You might get more than your £50 back but given my record as a tipster, it's more likely you'll end up with nothing.
"Public Sector Pensions" covers a gamut of schemes from the ones enjoyed by Police and Firefighters through the Local Government scheme to the Teachers' scheme. They aren't all the same.0 -
Ipswich Town are currently ultimately owed by a public sector pension scheme.stodge said:Afternoon all
The truth is many sold private pensions were sold a right pup predicated on stock markets keeping in front of inflation forever. "Managed" funds put into the stock market just haven't delivered what those selling them claimed they would.
The same happened with those savings plans to pay off mortgages which were supposedly going to pay off your mortgage at the end of its term - you paid the Interest and into the Savings Plan which would deliver the capital balance - mine didn't coming in several thousand short.
If inflation is 7% and the FTSE 100 is down 4%, there's no winner. Those who invest in managed funds are the equivalent of you all giving me £50 a race to bet at Lingfield tomorrow. You might get more than your £50 back but given my record as a tipster, it's more likely you'll end up with nothing.
"Public Sector Pensions" covers a gamut of schemes from the ones enjoyed by Police and Firefighters through the Local Government scheme to the Teachers' scheme. They aren't all the same.0 -
I just checked and that is the correct user.Sunil_Prasannan said:
FAKE NEWS! (clue: he wasn't called that!)CorrectHorseBat said:
Wasn't @Miklosvar banned because yet again for having a slightly different view of Ukraine he was called a Russian plant?geoffw said:
I see @Miklosvar has been banned. First offenceCorrectHorseBat said:In Charles' case it was because somebody mentioned knowing one of his cousins in real life and then Charles left.
Personally I think Charles was insufferable and a bit of a tosser but I would support him coming back as I have recently changed my mind and banning people seems to achieve very little. I should know.0 -
I am glad you are back to thinking people can be assets. You spent some time implying that me and others were not wanted here.Richard_Tyndall said:
That is, um, misleading at best. He posted on a great many things and was certainly an asset to the site. I am sorry he is no longer around. Just like many other posters. Socrates, Alistair Meeks, Tim and dozens of others. Some I agreed with, others - like Tim and AM - I very much disagreed with but they were all asets to the site as they had their own unique perspectives on things.malcolmg said:
He only posted about his first class flights , fancy hotels , air miles and California / London mansions. Not one I miss for sure.Alphabet_Soup said:
Charles' departure was a loss to the site. There aren't many old-school Tories left. Just the aspirational sort with over-wide lapels.TOPPING said:
Charles never shrunk from telling us about his family so one poster told him about his (Charles') family and Charles wasn't happy so off he fucked.Peter_the_Punter said:
He thought he'd been outed, which would certainly be beyond the pale if true.viewcode said:
Although I do get your point, Charles's complaint was that somebody mentioned a family member, despite the fact that it was Charles who had named them in the first place. I am happy to keep the privacy of commentators, as witnessed by my treatment of @Miklosvar, but others may not be so ethical.Taz said:
I’ve been here a couple of years and Leon has left a few times. A cheap dig at @BartholomewRoberts doesnt mean he’s the one who drove them off the site. Whereas we know some posters have actually driven members off the site. Like Charles.kinabalu said:
Yes I remember it well. Seems for each poster who leaves there's a very different reason, no theme. Eg Leon, just the other day, it was triggered by a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Bartholomew Roberts. Whereas with Mr Meeks it was after a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Philip Thompson.Anabobazina said:
Agreed. Anyone know why he left? He was prolific, then seemingly disappeared overnight.twistedfirestopper3 said:
We often lament about posters who disappear, but I think AM was a genuine loss to the site.NickPalmer said:
I can think of only one instance of this before on this Site. The culprit was the late Plato, and that led to the departure of an excellent poster.
It's surprising it doesn't happen more often, which is a tribute to the standard of posters here, as well as the mods and the managers.
[Btw, have just answered your private message.]
This site is the poorer when people feel they can no longer participate.0 -
He wasn’t called a Russian plant. It was the persistent sniping at above the line contributors, who may think otherwise about contributing.CorrectHorseBat said:
I just checked and that is the correct user.Sunil_Prasannan said:
FAKE NEWS! (clue: he wasn't called that!)CorrectHorseBat said:
Wasn't @Miklosvar banned because yet again for having a slightly different view of Ukraine he was called a Russian plant?geoffw said:
I see @Miklosvar has been banned. First offenceCorrectHorseBat said:In Charles' case it was because somebody mentioned knowing one of his cousins in real life and then Charles left.
Personally I think Charles was insufferable and a bit of a tosser but I would support him coming back as I have recently changed my mind and banning people seems to achieve very little. I should know.2 -
Again I don't think it is the abuse but rather igoring warnings that gets you into trouble. I don't recall you ever having been warned about your comments on here. Nor are the vast majority of posters. Hell even Malcolm gets away with being obnoxious to just about everyone.CorrectHorseBat said:
I must have missed the personal attacks he made, all I saw was commenting on the length of CycleFree's post.Richard_Tyndall said:
No. There are a number of posters on here who follow a pro-Russian, or at least a more neutral, position and they are not banned. Dura-Ace is one example that springs to mind.CorrectHorseBat said:
Wasn't @Miklosvar banned because yet again for having a slightly different view of Ukraine he was called a Russian plant?geoffw said:
I see @Miklosvar has been banned. First offenceCorrectHorseBat said:In Charles' case it was because somebody mentioned knowing one of his cousins in real life and then Charles left.
Personally I think Charles was insufferable and a bit of a tosser but I would support him coming back as I have recently changed my mind and banning people seems to achieve very little. I should know.
This site does operate as a bit of a hive-mind at times.
But crossing a line by ignoring repeated warnings not to make personal attacks on posters is pretty much gauranteed to get you banned. For clarity, I suspect it is not necesarily the personal attacks but ignoring the warnings that result in the departure.
I will add no more comment on Cyclefree myself as I do not wish to engage in anything that might impact me.0 -
I stand corrected on why he was banned but he was also accused of being a Russian plant as far as I can recall.RobD said:
He wasn’t called a Russian plant. It was the persistent sniping at above the line contributors, who may think otherwise about contributing.CorrectHorseBat said:
I just checked and that is the correct user.Sunil_Prasannan said:
FAKE NEWS! (clue: he wasn't called that!)CorrectHorseBat said:
Wasn't @Miklosvar banned because yet again for having a slightly different view of Ukraine he was called a Russian plant?geoffw said:
I see @Miklosvar has been banned. First offenceCorrectHorseBat said:In Charles' case it was because somebody mentioned knowing one of his cousins in real life and then Charles left.
Personally I think Charles was insufferable and a bit of a tosser but I would support him coming back as I have recently changed my mind and banning people seems to achieve very little. I should know.0 -
I most certainly have been and rightfully so. Trying to do better as I am sure we all are.Richard_Tyndall said:Againn I don't think it is the abse but rather igoring warnings that gets you into trouble. I don't recall you ever having been warned about your comments on here. Nor are the vast majority of posters. Hell even Malcolm gets away with being obnoxious to just about everyone.
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I hope some took my tip earlier and backed Manchester Originals in the Hundred, as middle daughter extends her run of always seeing 'her' side win when watching live sport.
The cricket was entertaining, but the Hundred is a horrible way to watch kive cricket. No opportunity for inanity is missed. A constant, loud soundtrack of terrible music. Ugly graphics. Unnecessary MCs. A DJ. A horrible and unnecessary but of hip hop about Manchester. Attempts to whip up the crowd into hyper-partisanship. Awful half time singing.
Limited overs cricket is already exciting. You don't need to hype it up. We're already watching it.
Enjoyed the games, though.2 -
I don’t remember ever reading a single post calling for you to be bannedCorrectHorseBat said:
I am glad you are back to thinking people can be assets. You spent some time implying that me and others were not wanted here.Richard_Tyndall said:
That is, um, misleading at best. He posted on a great many things and was certainly an asset to the site. I am sorry he is no longer around. Just like many other posters. Socrates, Alistair Meeks, Tim and dozens of others. Some I agreed with, others - like Tim and AM - I very much disagreed with but they were all asets to the site as they had their own unique perspectives on things.malcolmg said:
He only posted about his first class flights , fancy hotels , air miles and California / London mansions. Not one I miss for sure.Alphabet_Soup said:
Charles' departure was a loss to the site. There aren't many old-school Tories left. Just the aspirational sort with over-wide lapels.TOPPING said:
Charles never shrunk from telling us about his family so one poster told him about his (Charles') family and Charles wasn't happy so off he fucked.Peter_the_Punter said:
He thought he'd been outed, which would certainly be beyond the pale if true.viewcode said:
Although I do get your point, Charles's complaint was that somebody mentioned a family member, despite the fact that it was Charles who had named them in the first place. I am happy to keep the privacy of commentators, as witnessed by my treatment of @Miklosvar, but others may not be so ethical.Taz said:
I’ve been here a couple of years and Leon has left a few times. A cheap dig at @BartholomewRoberts doesnt mean he’s the one who drove them off the site. Whereas we know some posters have actually driven members off the site. Like Charles.kinabalu said:
Yes I remember it well. Seems for each poster who leaves there's a very different reason, no theme. Eg Leon, just the other day, it was triggered by a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Bartholomew Roberts. Whereas with Mr Meeks it was after a prolonged and harrowing exchange with Philip Thompson.Anabobazina said:
Agreed. Anyone know why he left? He was prolific, then seemingly disappeared overnight.twistedfirestopper3 said:
We often lament about posters who disappear, but I think AM was a genuine loss to the site.NickPalmer said:
I can think of only one instance of this before on this Site. The culprit was the late Plato, and that led to the departure of an excellent poster.
It's surprising it doesn't happen more often, which is a tribute to the standard of posters here, as well as the mods and the managers.
[Btw, have just answered your private message.]
This site is the poorer when people feel they can no longer participate.
PS I do recall you appealing to mods when people pointed out your dimwittedly denied @dialup connection0 -
Out of interest why would anyone have any inkling of support for Russia.CorrectHorseBat said:
Great post, totally agree with you.boulay said:
Mikslovar was banned because he took umbrage to Cyclefree’s header. Problem was that he took a position before her very good post that you don’t need a thousand words to critique the Lucy Letby situation, his position was, to précis, it’s wrong and shit and their is no defence or need to spin it out, just wrong on every level.CorrectHorseBat said:
Wasn't @Miklosvar banned because yet again for having a slightly different view of Ukraine he was called a Russian plant?geoffw said:
I see @Miklosvar has been banned. First offenceCorrectHorseBat said:In Charles' case it was because somebody mentioned knowing one of his cousins in real life and then Charles left.
Personally I think Charles was insufferable and a bit of a tosser but I would support him coming back as I have recently changed my mind and banning people seems to achieve very little. I should know.
This site does operate as a bit of a hive-mind at times.
Unfortunately Mikslovar is quite “all or nothing” and so stuck to guns and was his cantankerous self which didn’t go down well. It did come across potentially as rude to Cyclefree but if you are punchy to everyone then it’s not personal to Cyclefree. I didn’t see anything remotely sexist, just punchy. But it’s the choice of the site owner, to which we owe a lot, but it’s a shame that it was seen in a way it wasn’t.
I think it’s clear we like and need all voices and some of the funniest moments have been the explosions- I myself called for the death of senior Russian’s children in a moment of drunkenmadangerness- or flounces but the mix of attitudes, views, characters makes it PB and why it’s better than CIF or Mumsnet. We can be rude, punchy, silly, wrong, seriously wrong but it triggers discussions and debate.
So I get banning people for putting the site at risk legally, using the C word but not for being rude because there are always diamonds in the rough. Sometimes a lot of rough to get through but a wide range of knowledge, experience and booze addled thoughts.
I myself have been banned for using the C word so I now steer well clear of it. I just hope for taking a more "neutral" view on Ukraine I will not be accused of being a stooge as others were. As for Cyclefree I will make no further comment from now.0 -
KJT almost broke Denise Lewis with that interview!2
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Banned and not wanted are two different things. That is certainly how I read Richard's posts and the same from one other user who I won't name.BlancheLivermore said:I don’t remember ever reading a single post calling for you to be banned
Anyway, I don't want to dig up old demons.0 -
The trouble there though is you dont see it as part of your remuneration when arguing for payrises and your pay not being equivalent to private sector peopleCookie said:
I work in the public sector because I see pensions as part of my renumeration. It baffles me that others don't do the same.Fairliered said:
Most PBers, being right of centre, prefer the greater prospects of the private sector. It’s a pity that some don’t accept that others are willing to trade that for lower pay but better security and pensions; although I’m not so sure about the better security nowadays.kle4 said:
There's clearly tradeoffs between the two sectors, which are not homogenous even within themselves, so I never quite get like it is portrayed that one is so much superior to the other in some very obvious way - if that were so, why do we have anyone in the shit one, whichever that is?bigjohnowls said:
Go and work in the Public Sector then.Pagan2 said:
There will be a growing divide because of this between private and public sector workers. Personally getting fed up with friends that work public sector telling me that their pensions aren't gold plated as they will give them only 10k to 15k a year. I have contributed more than them and my dc pension will pay me the square root of fuck all due to 20 years of low interest rates....so much for the miracle of cumulative interestMightyAlex said:
For me its the defined benefit/defined contribution pension gap. Seems to map quite cleanly between those who benefited from high stability (un-globalised) jobs and the generation after.Gardenwalker said:
Great analysis.NickPalmer said:
I would extend the disadvantaged age threshold to under 50.
Anyone 50 or over reached the age of 30 before 2003 and was therefore able to get on the housing ladder before the great inflation of the 2000s.
I am 44 and only *just* managed to get on to a property that suited me in 2011. It was already probably 2x more expensive than it had been a decade before. It is now 2x more again.
Plenty of vacancies due to the shit wages
Yes yes, we couldn't have all one and not the other, but the point being when people complain about their one not being as good as the other, surely they can do something about that as an individual at least?
A public sector gets a nominal wage of 30k....you as on pension contributions and its 36k
A provate sector worker doing the same sort of job earning 33k as a nominal salary will actually be earning 34650 when you add in pension contributions.
Public sector workers will point to this and say see we could earn so much more in the private sector. Ignoring the fact that the private sector worker is actually earning less and will probably retire on about a third of your pension.
There are a damn sight more private sector workers and sooner or later we are going to say fuck off1
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