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  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,075
    edited August 2023

    He'll do what suits himself. The idea he's fixated on the US national interest seems rather quaint.

    rcs1000 said:

    Ahem. Trump respects strength and utility to the US himself.

    L'etat, c'est lui
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,955
    ..‘
    Eabhal said:

    viewcode said:

    I’m no fan of Trump but he definitely won’t sell Ukraine down the river, nothing in his track record suggests that he might.

    Everything in his recent record suggests he will. How long is PB going to indulge this cruel delusion? From his track record in office (he turned his back on the Ukranians cos Zelensky told him to do one over Hunter Biden, and reluctantly turned back only some time later) to his recent remarks, his pattern of behavior is clear.

    Trump respects strength and utility to the US, and despises weakness and dependency on the US. His politics is purely transactional, not moral. If he could throw the Ukrainians into a charnel pit for a dollar profit he would do so and then go and have lunch.
    He's pure zero-sum. It's whether you can persuade him that sending materiel to Ukraine is a win for the US.
    A win for us you mean.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,890
    edited August 2023
    Pagan2 said:

    ... So either we cut the deficit to zero in one foul swoop...

    A pedant writes: fell swoop.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,553
    viewcode said:

    I’m no fan of Trump but he definitely won’t sell Ukraine down the river, nothing in his track record suggests that he might.

    Everything in his recent record suggests he will. How long is PB going to indulge this cruel delusion? From his track record in office (he turned his back on the Ukranians cos Zelensky told him to do one over Hunter Biden, and reluctantly turned back only some time later) to his recent remarks, his pattern of behavior is clear.

    Trump respects strength and utility to the US, and despises weakness and dependency on the US. His politics is purely transactional, not moral. If he could throw the Ukrainians into a charnel pit for a dollar profit he would do so and then go and have lunch.
    It wasn't Trump who pulled out of Afghanistan, even though he might have been expected to be.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083

    viewcode said:

    Eabhal said:

    viewcode said:

    I’m no fan of Trump but he definitely won’t sell Ukraine down the river, nothing in his track record suggests that he might.

    Everything in his recent record suggests he will. How long is PB going to indulge this cruel delusion? From his track record in office (he turned his back on the Ukranians cos Zelensky told him to do one over Hunter Biden, and reluctantly turned back only some time later) to his recent remarks, his pattern of behavior is clear.

    Trump respects strength and utility to the US, and despises weakness and dependency on the US. His politics is purely transactional, not moral. If he could throw the Ukrainians into a charnel pit for a dollar profit he would do so and then go and have lunch.
    He's pure zero-sum. It's whether you can persuade him that sending materiel to Ukraine is a win for the US.
    Yup. And when you find out how to do that, please tell us... :(
    Give him preapproved plans for the Trump Mariupol hotel in honour of his achievement in defeating Russia, which will mark him out as probably the greatest president in American history.
    It's genuinely likely to be an effective strategy. I cannot imagine it could ususally completely derail US policy, but if ever there was a world leader for whom personal flattery would see a nation gain some benefit, it would be with Trump.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    viewcode said:

    I’m no fan of Trump but he definitely won’t sell Ukraine down the river, nothing in his track record suggests that he might.

    Everything in his recent record suggests he will. How long is PB going to indulge this cruel delusion? From his track record in office (he turned his back on the Ukranians cos Zelensky told him to do one over Hunter Biden, and reluctantly turned back only some time later) to his recent remarks, his pattern of behavior is clear.

    Trump respects strength and utility to the US, and despises weakness and dependency on the US. His politics is purely transactional, not moral. If he could throw the Ukrainians into a charnel pit for a dollar profit he would do so and then go and have lunch.
    The very fact his supporters (and thus the party) have increasingly gone toward not wanting to provide further support to Ukraine, and that it is the increasingly lone voices of no hoper candidates and Senate GOP foreign policy hawks who disagree, suggest very strongly that he sees it in his interests to sell them down the river. If it were not, he'd have said very different things, and the party rank and file would have followed.
  • Andy_JS said:

    viewcode said:

    I’m no fan of Trump but he definitely won’t sell Ukraine down the river, nothing in his track record suggests that he might.

    Everything in his recent record suggests he will. How long is PB going to indulge this cruel delusion? From his track record in office (he turned his back on the Ukranians cos Zelensky told him to do one over Hunter Biden, and reluctantly turned back only some time later) to his recent remarks, his pattern of behavior is clear.

    Trump respects strength and utility to the US, and despises weakness and dependency on the US. His politics is purely transactional, not moral. If he could throw the Ukrainians into a charnel pit for a dollar profit he would do so and then go and have lunch.
    It wasn't Trump who pulled out of Afghanistan, even though he might have been expected to be.
    Actually it kind of was.
    https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2022-10-13/trump-signed-order-for-immediate-afghanistan-withdrawal-after-election-loss
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,075
    Andy_JS said:

    viewcode said:

    I’m no fan of Trump but he definitely won’t sell Ukraine down the river, nothing in his track record suggests that he might.

    Everything in his recent record suggests he will. How long is PB going to indulge this cruel delusion? From his track record in office (he turned his back on the Ukranians cos Zelensky told him to do one over Hunter Biden, and reluctantly turned back only some time later) to his recent remarks, his pattern of behavior is clear.

    Trump respects strength and utility to the US, and despises weakness and dependency on the US. His politics is purely transactional, not moral. If he could throw the Ukrainians into a charnel pit for a dollar profit he would do so and then go and have lunch.
    It wasn't Trump who pulled out of Afghanistan, even though he might have been expected to be.
    That's comparing Trump to Biden, which is not relevant to an assessment to Trump. If somebody asked "How tall is Trump?", the response "He's taller than Biden" would not be relevant.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    1. Mrs DA is Indian not Russian. Though she qualified and practiced in Russia.

    2. You should all stop giving so much of a fuck what I write about the SMO.

    3. It'll all be over by Christmas. One last push.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,075
    The air traffic control audio is real
    The visuals are a video game (MS Flight Simulator)
    Have a look, see if you would have guessed the visuals aren't real.

    https://youtube.com/shorts/tiPdyyfxw8g?feature=share
  • viewcode said:

    The air traffic control audio is real
    The visuals are a video game (MS Flight Simulator)
    Have a look, see if you would have guessed the visuals aren't real.

    https://youtube.com/shorts/tiPdyyfxw8g?feature=share

    The take-off is obviously fake but up till then...
  • Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Gold for KJT!!! 🥇

    👍👍👍
    Gold medals do not come along that often for us in the athletic world championships so KJT's performance should be loudly applauded!
    Indeed so. She was hoping to be in contention, but didn’t expect to be right up there. A PB in the 800m as well, two seconds slower and shee have lost that gold medal.

    Tomorrow’s front page picture editors now have a decision to make! I’d go for the winner.
    All the front pages show the Lionesses, none KJT's gold medal at the World Athletics Championships.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-66566495
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/66566276
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    Have we done Trump saying he won't do any debates? (As opposed to just the next one.)

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-wont-take-part-republican-debates-2023-08-21/
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,583

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Gold for KJT!!! 🥇

    👍👍👍
    Gold medals do not come along that often for us in the athletic world championships so KJT's performance should be loudly applauded!
    Indeed so. She was hoping to be in contention, but didn’t expect to be right up there. A PB in the 800m as well, two seconds slower and she’d have lost that gold medal.

    Tomorrow’s front page picture editors now have a decision to make! I’d go for the winner.
    All the front pages show the Lionesses, none KJT's gold medal at the World Athletics Championships.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-66566495
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/66566276
    :disappointed:

    What a shame, perhaps I’m getting old if I don’t understand why coverage of those who didn’t win their event yesterday is much more prominent than those who did. Congratulations to Katarina, best all-round female athlete in the world!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,583
    viewcode said:

    The air traffic control audio is real
    The visuals are a video game (MS Flight Simulator)
    Have a look, see if you would have guessed the visuals aren't real.

    https://youtube.com/shorts/tiPdyyfxw8g?feature=share

    The visuals are okay, but definitely not real.

    More concerned about the actual incident, which although not quite as close as those visuals made it out to be, was full of non-standard phraseology from ATC and both pilots, alongside the lovely American practice of clearing planes to land on occupied runways!
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,319

    Re Welfare spending: If anyone wants to know the actual split of welfare spending rather than Malc's imagined nonsense, the figures are all here:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/benefit-expenditure-and-caseload-tables-2023

    The spreadsheet is a very comprehensive resource for anyone interested in where a large chunk of our taxes go.

    TLDR? Big ticket items (2023/24) are:

    State Pension £124bn
    Universal Credit £51bn
    Disability Benefits £29bn
    Housing Benefit £14bn
    Employment and Support Allowance £13bn (legacy benefit for long-term sickness - being replaced by UC)
    Child Benefit £12bn
    Attendance Allowance £7bn (for pensioners)
    Working Tax Credit £7bn
    Pension Credit £5bn
    Carer's Allowance £4bn

    Additionally debt interest repayments for 2023 is estimated at a massive £110 billions
    strangely that one was missed, never hear Barty whining about his heroes paying out as much for their mess than pensioners get.
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