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  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,159
    TOPPING said:

    Yes very good. Carrying a week of family groceries on a cycle is easy. As long as you have a trailer or an EAV 2Cubed e-cycle. Or, of course, a Ford Fiesta.
    Weekly shop is pathetic


  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,557

    Pah. My Tesla is still awaiting for service intervention after 2 of the last 3 software updates killed the cameras.
    Well, that serves you right for buying a Tesla!
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924
    On Topic.

    Is there any chance whatsoever this wont boost Trumps chances of winning the GOP nomination? I think it will boost his chances

    What impact will it have on Trumps chances of winning in 2024? Not a lot in my best Paul Daniels voice
  • TOPPING said:

    For god's sake let's not put you in charge of cycling policy.
    He's not entirely wrong, a decent cargo ebike would do it. But yer looking at spending the cost of a decent second hand motor on one!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Bike stands! Luuuuuuxuuuury!

    Seriously, when we were kids, it never occurred to us that you needed one.

    Tools were a collection of screwdrivers, a set of Allen keys, and an adjustable spanner. Oh, and some pliers.

    These days most of that can be done with a cheap driver set from Amazon
    Turn it upside-down, resting on handlebars and seat, and sit down on the floor next to it with your multi-spanner and a screwdriver.

    From about age 12 I’d do all my own maintainance; at least if something failed and kicked me off, it wouldn’t be anyone else’s fault!
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,324

    Bike stands! Luuuuuuxuuuury!

    Seriously, when we were kids, it never occurred to us that you needed one.

    Tools were a collection of screwdrivers, a set of Allen keys, and an adjustable spanner. Oh, and some pliers.

    These days most of that can be done with a cheap driver set from Amazon
    This has just about every thing you need although bottom bracket and caliper facing tools are additionally required for a perfect assembly.

    https://www.tritoncycles.co.uk/bike-maintenance-c10/workshop-tools-c129/park-tool-mk-14-master-mechanic-tool-set-p27748
  • The case for the defence rests m'ludd.
    What is fun is that there is trouble on both sides of the fence:

    https://tippinsights.com/if-he-was-bribed-biden-must-go-majority-says-i-i-tipp-poll/

    Just as with Trump, as with Biden whose defence has shifted from "I never knew anything or discussed anything with my son about business" to "I was never in business with my son" which is a different mix. We could face the situation where Trump is being indicted and Biden is facing an impeachment hearing.

    And here is the thing re an impeachment. While there is no chance that an impeachment bill against Biden would get the 2/3 it needs in the Senate, there is a chance that Manchin (who is weighing a third party run) and / or Sinema (who may want to be seen as independent of the Democrats) could vote for it which would not be great for the optics especially if that lead to a 51-49 in favour vote.

    Happy days...

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,226
    Miklosvar said:

    *

    Rockabilly in reality, you have seen through my down wiv da kidz pretence.
    You need

    1) Drill music
    2) make sure your friends know that you are an aspiring footballer/community activist*
    3) this ensures that when you are shot by the armed police, and they find 10 grams of crack and a badly converted starting pistol on you, that the proper funeral games** are run

    *for quoting to journalists
    **riots
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,033

    No significant disasters? The US had one of the higher COVID-19 death rates, 3100 per million, compared to 2687 in the UK or 1111 in Canada or 250 in Japan. If the US had a similar death rate to the UK, that would be 140000 fewer deaths. If 140000 deaths isn’t a disaster, what is? If they’d done as well as Japan, that’s would have been about a million fewer deaths. This is in large part because of Trump.

    Trump was impeached an unprecedented two times. That seems like a disaster for the office of the Presidency. Once was about withholding arms for Ukraine, which was pretty bad for the Ukrainians. His anti-Ukrainian, pro-Putin positioning has left a toxic legacy in the US that still hampers aid to Ukraine. The second time was for his actions trying to overturn the election result, which is why we’re talking about him today. That’s been disastrous for respect in the democratic system in the US.

    Roe v Wade was overturned by the Supreme Court, because of Trump appointments, a disaster for women in much of the US.

    Many have described the US withdrawal from Afghanistan as a disaster. While that took place under his successor, it was started by Trump.

    Add to that failing to accept defeat when he lost and everything that flowed from that including Jan 6th.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,607
    edited August 2023
    Eabhal said:

    Genesis Croix de Fer - yay or nay?

    I want a commuter that also tours. It seems appalling value for money for the components, but I can't see an alternative other than a Sonder Santiago or a Bombtrack.
    I have Croix de Fer. I am not a Dura Ace style obsessive when it comes to bike kit. It’s fine? Pretty good even. I enjoy riding it, which is the main thing.

    The current pricing is wild though: I think to get the components on mine (which I bought in 2019) you have to pay twice the price. There may be better alternatives around where competitors have managed to source components at lower prices.

    If you really want a steel frame the Ribble CGR looks good, although when I see “mechanical disk brakes” the question you immediately want answered is whether these are single or double pull - single sided mech disks are awful. Double sided are OK, not great, but OK.

    IMO DA’s opinions on bikes are correct, but only really apply to people doing 10,000 miles a year & I’ve never really understood the “replace everything on your new bike” approach to buying the things. Buy something that’s good enough, ride it till something wears out, replace that bit with something better, keep riding. Works for me.
  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855
    *
    viewcode said:

    I'm working. Go away. Possible range of outcomes vary from a five-minute blip on the radar to the downfall of Western civilization as we know it and a rise in canned food and shotgun futures.

    [OK, I had a brief look at the statement. US Treasury Secretary Janet Yelland's response was i) it isn't a problem, and ii) even if it is we don't deserve this, and iii) even if we do why didn't you do it to the other guy huh? Huh?

    Which does not inspire confidence.

    The problem is the same as the UK: during the neoliberal consensus money could not be raised by tax because TAX BAD and instead was raised by debt via various instruments that I don't pretend to understand. So debt has been building up and things are ratcheting downwards over time, with the Fitch downgrade merely the latest ratchet. We'll pass a threshold at some point and I would be really glad if I knew where that was
    ]
    VUSA plunges a massive, um, 0.46%.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,159
    Phil said:

    I have Croix de Fer. I am not a Dura Ace style obsessive when it comes to bike kit. It’s fine? Pretty good even. I enjoy riding it, which is the main thing.

    The current pricing is wild though: I think to get the components on mine (which I bought in 2019) you have to pay twice the price. There may be better alternatives around where competitors have managed to source components at lower prices.

    If you really want a steel frame the Ribble CGR looks good, although when I see “mechanical disk brakes” the question you immediately want answered is whether these are single or double pull - single sided mech disks are awful. Double sided are OK, not great, but OK.

    IMO DA’s opinions on bikes are correct, but only really apply to people doing 10,000 miles a year.
    Thanks for the brakes advice. Ribble CGR is cool but I want to get kit on the forks, whether that is a rack or otherwise.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,177
    @Dura_Ace I have a bike question… Are you aware of any good framesets with a non-existant or low top tube? I have a medical condition which makes it difficult for me to get over the top tube but I would like to build a bike up in future as a project (I know not good value for money).

    I was thinking maybe a mountain bike frame but not sure where to start with that for mainly road running.
  • ydoethur said:

    Well, that serves you right for buying a Tesla!
    This one reminds me a bit of the shenanigans I had with my Volvo S90. That had a hard-to-trace fault in the start-stop system. Had the battery replaced and various software flashes to try and fix it (successfully in the end).

    The difference between then and now? Then - ring main dealers. Get appointment. Drive it in. Wait around. "We need Volvo UK to authorise the repair". Book a follow-up appointment. Drive home. Rinse. Repeat. Now - service desk are on chat and they've pushed updates out over the air without needing to plug the dealers laptop in.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,705
    edited August 2023

    @Dura_Ace I have a bike question… Are you aware of any good framesets with a non-existant or low top tube? I have a medical condition which makes it difficult for me to get over the top tube but I would like to build a bike up in future as a project (I know not good value for money).

    I was thinking maybe a mountain bike frame but not sure where to start with that for mainly road running.

    Not that I can answer this (although Boris bikes don't have a top tube) but I actually bought a bike the other day and they segregate (in my category/price range) by "girls" and "boys".

    Is this really a thing any more albeit presumably old maids will need an easier swing up and hence plump for a girls' bike.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,338
    The Americanophobia here is also really weird.

    Main entrance to this major tourist attraction they have an American Manneken Pis taking a slash all over a world that would otherwise be rightly dominated by Bulgaria and Russia.

    And this country is a member of NATO.


  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,159
    edited August 2023

    @Dura_Ace I have a bike question… Are you aware of any good framesets with a non-existant or low top tube? I have a medical condition which makes it difficult for me to get over the top tube but I would like to build a bike up in future as a project (I know not good value for money).

    I was thinking maybe a mountain bike frame but not sure where to start with that for mainly road running.

    Try Ridgeback's open frames?

    Oxford Bike Works Model 3 too.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,324

    @Dura_Ace I have a bike question… Are you aware of any good framesets with a non-existant or low top tube? I have a medical condition which makes it difficult for me to get over the top tube but I would like to build a bike up in future as a project (I know not good value for money).

    I was thinking maybe a mountain bike frame but not sure where to start with that for mainly road running.

    You want a 'mixte' frame. Soma Fab in California make really good disc compatible examples. There are loads of crap ones on eBay if you don't want to drop serious cash. Don't get an old one as finding BBs, headsets, etc. will be a fucking nightmare.
  • .
    TOPPING said:

    Not that I can answer this (although Boris bikes don't have a top tube) but I actually bought a bike the other day and they segregate (in my category/price range) by "girls" and "boys".

    Is this really a thing any more albeit presumably old maids will need an easier swing up and hence plump for a girls' bike.
    A lot of MTB brands have done away with women specific frames. They tend to offer smaller size frames and women specific components, like saddles, narrower bars and the like.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    geoffw said:

    Jeez, you that old?

    No. Someone else.
  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855
    TOPPING said:

    Not that I can answer this (although Boris bikes don't have a top tube) but I actually bought a bike the other day and they segregate (in my category/price range) by "girls" and "boys".

    Is this really a thing any more albeit presumably old maids will need an easier swing up and hence plump for a girls' bike.
    The modern (woke?) expression is "step through frame." You get less rigidity by losing the top tube, but this is apparently no big deal unless you are very fat and/or need to climb very steep hills.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,755

    Yes, very good point. I'd not realised that it will be a jury trial. The US system of trying to determine whether the potential juror is biased will then be critical. Other things being equal, I assume that over 40% of the jury will currently be inclined to vote for Trump, so potentially reluctant to accept that he's guilty. I wonder if the questioning of potential jurors allows the question "Do you know how you will vote if Mr Trump is a candidate?" (anyone who says yes, regardless of which way they will vote, would then be ineligible for cause) Does the US have majority verdicts in such cases?
    Because a lot of people are just discovery 18 USC 1512(c)(2) now that someone famous got charged with it, reupping the statement of facts Reagan-appointed Royce Lamberth wrote in the Alan Hostetter case, which helps you understand how it is being applied.
    https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1686715225825763328
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,924
    edited August 2023
    Eabhal said:

    Interesting - someone else suggested them too. I am oddly attracted to their very dated website.
    If you are passing Harrogate and the shop is as it was (also a little old fashioned) they'll let you ride around on one of their test bikes.

    I think I did about 20km including some off-roading on the nearby Sustrans route so it wasn't just a quick spin round the block.

    Some of the staff are, er, very Yorkshire, so be warned. Depends if you get them on a good day. May not be the best if mail ordering.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,159

    If you are passing Harrogate and the shop is as it was (also a little old fashioned) they'll let you ride around on one of their test bikes.

    I think I did about 20km including some off-roading on the nearby Sustrans route so it wasn't just a quick spin round the block.

    Some of the staff are, er, very Yorkshire, so be warned. Depends if you get them on a good day.
    Heading that way in a few weeks. Perfect.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,670
    edited August 2023

    What's the verdict on cargo ebikes? I'm tempted by something like a Tern or the cheaper Radwagon. Where we live, it'd make sense for me, rather than use the Transporter for a 10 minute drive to town. It'd be a crime to use my hardtail with panniers.
    Terns are I think well-thought of and robust, if somewhat expensive at £3-4k+. ie about 12-18 months of running costs for a small 2nd car.

    You can find E-Cargo bikes from about £1500, or secondhand, and they hold their value well.

    There are also good e-cargo-trikes.

    Some reviews:
    https://ebiketips.road.cc/content/advice/buyers-guide/best-electric-cargo-bikes
    Some reviews of budget ones:
    https://ebiketips.road.cc/content/advice/buyers-guide/best-e-cargo-bikes-under-3000-affordable-electric-bikes-to-do-the-job-of

  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,324
    edited August 2023
    Phil said:

    I have Croix de Fer. I am not a Dura Ace style obsessive when it comes to bike kit.
    I wish I were merely an obsessive. I am so much worse than that.

    I once saw a 'mechanic' in a bike shop using a Philips driver instead of a JIS to adjust the H/L limit screws on a rear mech. I locked the shop door and put the CLOSED sign up while I had a gentle word with him.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    Sunak is very bad in his public appearances: peevish and smarmy.

    Even Starmer’s constipated triangulations are going to look good in comparison.
  • Meanwhile, seems Rishi didn't go down well on LBC this morning. Some commentary from General Boles-

    Rishi's terrible at the media thing because he's a geeky numbers guy who thinks at a macro level where individual hardship doesn't matter so long as the aggregate effect is positive for the country (as he sees it)
    He quickly gets annoyed with interviewers who question his "wisdom" because to him these are self-evidently the best policies and anyone who can't see it is a bit dim / disingenuous
    Before I became a top satirical photoshopper I was a big deal* in finance and we never let the analysts in front of clients because their brains weren't wired for the touchy-feely emotional side that you need to convince people to place their £££ with you
    *not entirely true


    https://twitter.com/GeneralBoles/status/1686716907393581061

    1. As a geeky numbers guy myself, he's not wrong, is he?
    2. What the hell do the Conservatives do about this at D minus 9/14/18 months?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,300
    Dura_Ace said:

    I wish I were merely an obsessive. I am so much worse than that.

    I once saw a 'mechanic' in a bike shop using a Philips driver instead of a JIS to adjust the H/L limit screws on a rear mech. I locked the shop door and put the CLOSED sign up while I had a gentle word with him.
    If the conversation did not end with a series of loud bangs, a crash and the sound of a hubcap spinning downwards, I will be oddly disappointed.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,838

    Meanwhile, seems Rishi didn't go down well on LBC this morning. Some commentary from General Boles-

    Rishi's terrible at the media thing because he's a geeky numbers guy who thinks at a macro level where individual hardship doesn't matter so long as the aggregate effect is positive for the country (as he sees it)
    He quickly gets annoyed with interviewers who question his "wisdom" because to him these are self-evidently the best policies and anyone who can't see it is a bit dim / disingenuous
    Before I became a top satirical photoshopper I was a big deal* in finance and we never let the analysts in front of clients because their brains weren't wired for the touchy-feely emotional side that you need to convince people to place their £££ with you
    *not entirely true


    https://twitter.com/GeneralBoles/status/1686716907393581061

    1. As a geeky numbers guy myself, he's not wrong, is he?
    2. What the hell do the Conservatives do about this at D minus 9/14/18 months?

    I would quite like to believe that Rishi Sunak is an numbers-obsessed Rain Man figure who is rubbish at interviews but has the whole 'running the country' thing sorted. I am afraid I don't though.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,324

    Meanwhile, seems Rishi didn't go down well on LBC this morning. Some commentary from General Boles-

    Rishi's terrible at the media thing because he's a geeky numbers guy who thinks at a macro level where individual hardship doesn't matter so long as the aggregate effect is positive for the country (as he sees it)
    He quickly gets annoyed with interviewers who question his "wisdom" because to him these are self-evidently the best policies and anyone who can't see it is a bit dim / disingenuous
    Before I became a top satirical photoshopper I was a big deal* in finance and we never let the analysts in front of clients because their brains weren't wired for the touchy-feely emotional side that you need to convince people to place their £££ with you
    *not entirely true


    https://twitter.com/GeneralBoles/status/1686716907393581061

    1. As a geeky numbers guy myself, he's not wrong, is he?
    2. What the hell do the Conservatives do about this at D minus 9/14/18 months?

    Keep doing what they are doing. Go full MUKGA and prey to every deity in the Vedas that something will turn up to fuck Starmer up the shitpipe.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    MattW said:

    Terns are I think well-thought of and robust, if somewhat expensive at £3-4k+. ie about 12-18 months of running costs for a small 2nd car.

    You can find E-Cargo bikes from about £1500, or secondhand, and they hold their value well.

    There are also good e-cargo-trikes.

    Some reviews:
    https://ebiketips.road.cc/content/advice/buyers-guide/best-electric-cargo-bikes
    Some reviews of budget ones:
    https://ebiketips.road.cc/content/advice/buyers-guide/best-e-cargo-bikes-under-3000-affordable-electric-bikes-to-do-the-job-of

    I bought my car for £3,000, and it can carry a family of five and all of their luggage for a fortnight away. Plus the dog.

    And the bike won’t go 80mph, do. 0-60 in six seconds, or make V8 noises. ULEZ compliant as well.
    (It’s a later model of this)
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,759

    The Americanophobia here is also really weird.

    Main entrance to this major tourist attraction they have an American Manneken Pis taking a slash all over a world that would otherwise be rightly dominated by Bulgaria and Russia.

    And this country is a member of NATO.


    Seems a reasonable summation of 70 years of American foreign policy.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    Rishi has also announced that he’s off to California this afternoon on his “vacays”.

    As he probably refers to them, the moment he leaves British airspace.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    edited August 2023

    I would quite like to believe that Rishi Sunak is an numbers-obsessed Rain Man figure who is rubbish at interviews but has the whole 'running the country' thing sorted. I am afraid I don't though.
    The suggestion that he is just a spreadsheet man who doesn’t empathise with people affected by policy, that’s the sort of thing that comes up in focus groups.

    If he learned anything from the Uxbridge by-election, it should be that policies that affect people negatively are much more salient than policies that affect them positively.

    ULEZ was a great example of that, another is making noises toward allowing more unskilled immigration. The group of people that have benefitted most of all in the last four years, are those who were on minimum wage in 2019. Not a group of people known for voting Conservative historically, but a group who might be persuaded to turn out nonetheless. Another million unskilled immigrants will work wonders for the GDP figure though, when the productivity and median income numbers are way more important to the economy in general.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,607
    Dura_Ace said:


    I wish I were merely an obsessive. I am so much worse than that.

    I once saw a 'mechanic' in a bike shop using a Philips driver instead of a JIS to adjust the H/L limit screws on a rear mech. I locked the shop door and put the CLOSED sign up while I had a gentle word with him.

    This fact probably explains why every second hand bike I’ve seen has wrecked limit screws.

    A query to the wise: is it permissible to use a Pozidriv screwdriver in a JIS screw head? Or am I supposed to obtain a JIS screwdriver for this one job?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,300
    Sandpit said:

    I bought my car for £3,000, and it can carry a family of five and all of their luggage for a fortnight away. Plus the dog.

    And the bike won’t go 80mph, do. 0-60 in six seconds, or make V8 noises. ULEZ compliant as well.
    (It’s a later model of this)
    [Picture of dog required for scale]
  • viewcode said:

    No, he's not. My superiors are very glad of my advice, value my work, and will under no circumstances allow me to email external oversight without looking at it first
    One of the reasons why physics teachers are as rare as unicorns. You need enough numbers geek to do the physics (and to role model to numbers geeks in the class) but also enough human to do all the other stuff.

    Another thought; the individual hardship doesn't matter if it is for the good of the hive nation is the sort of attitude people laughed at Dominic Cummings for. Those were the days...
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,159
    edited August 2023
    Sandpit said:

    I bought my car for £3,000, and it can carry a family of five and all of their luggage for a fortnight away. Plus the dog.

    And the bike won’t go 80mph, do. 0-60 in six seconds, or make V8 noises. ULEZ compliant as well.
    (It’s a later model of this)
    Ah come off it

    Insurance
    VED
    Parking
    MOT
    Service
    Fuel
    Random things that break and cost £500
    Tyres

    My plan is just to use Car Club once I get through my current car.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    Rishi is even worse than the geek who can’t emphathise in the micro because the macro is improving.

    Because Rishi has also fucked the macro.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    viewcode said:

    Unfortunately the latter has not informed the former:

    This is very concerning. Whatever happened to evidence based medicine? The best interests of the child? Why have the interim findings of the #Cass review been ignored? Why are gender questioning young girls being fast tracked to medicalisation?

    https://twitter.com/joannaccherry/status/1686704430945636352?s=20
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    viewcode said:

    [Picture of dog required for scale]
    Okay, nicked off the internet.
    (This is a later model of car)
  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855

    Rishi has also announced that he’s off to California this afternoon on his “vacays”.
    As he probably refers to them, the moment he leaves British airspace.

    God that is tone deaf even by his standards.It's not like he has to keep up the Easyjet to the Med pretence longer than this summer and next. Even Dave managed this.
  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855
    Sandpit said:

    I bought my car for £3,000, and it can carry a family of five and all of their luggage for a fortnight away. Plus the dog.

    And the bike won’t go 80mph, do. 0-60 in six seconds, or make V8 noises. ULEZ compliant as well.
    (It’s a later model of this)
    Speed limiter or should that be 180?
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,324
    Phil said:

    This fact probably explains why every second hand bike I’ve seen has wrecked limit screws.

    A query to the wise: is it permissible to use a Pozidriv screwdriver in a JIS screw head? Or am I supposed to obtain a JIS screwdriver for this one job?
    Get the JIS. It's just the right thing to do. Also useful for carb float bowls on old Japanese motorbikes and the swash plates on really expensive RC helicopters.
  • ..
    Sandpit said:

    I bought my car for £3,000, and it can carry a family of five and all of their luggage for a fortnight away. Plus the dog.

    And the bike won’t go 80mph, do. 0-60 in six seconds, or make V8 noises. ULEZ compliant as well.
    (It’s a later model of this)
    But the cost of running the bike is magnitudes cheaper, greener and keeping you fit. I have the van for passengers, luggage and the bikes if I take them with me. Plus the bike's a lot more fun!
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,159
    edited August 2023
    Miklosvar said:

    Speed limiter or should that be 180?
    The speed record for a bike is 184 mph. Perfectly legal too.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    edited August 2023

    Rishi has also announced that he’s off to California this afternoon on his “vacays”.

    As he probably refers to them, the moment he leaves British airspace.

    That’s a really, really stupid thing to pre-announce - unless he’s flying BA Club World, every bored lobby hack is going to have details of his flight by tomorrow, and it’s unlikely to be reported in a way that’s favourable to the PM.
  • Meanwhile, seems Rishi didn't go down well on LBC this morning. Some commentary from General Boles-

    Rishi's terrible at the media thing because he's a geeky numbers guy who thinks at a macro level where individual hardship doesn't matter so long as the aggregate effect is positive for the country (as he sees it)
    He quickly gets annoyed with interviewers who question his "wisdom" because to him these are self-evidently the best policies and anyone who can't see it is a bit dim / disingenuous
    Before I became a top satirical photoshopper I was a big deal* in finance and we never let the analysts in front of clients because their brains weren't wired for the touchy-feely emotional side that you need to convince people to place their £££ with you
    *not entirely true


    https://twitter.com/GeneralBoles/status/1686716907393581061

    1. As a geeky numbers guy myself, he's not wrong, is he?
    2. What the hell do the Conservatives do about this at D minus 9/14/18 months?

    I think Rishi's finance background is definitely a major cause of this. One angle that has not been commented on is that, if you are a Buy-side client (which Rishi was for many years) and you work for a major fund (which Rishi did), essentially the sell-side banks suck up to you all day, every day and will never argue vociferously with you, even if they think you are wrong. It is too much risk if the client takes offence and goes somewhere else. Basically, you start to think you are superior which - to someone of Rishi's stature and manner - would go to his head. However, that is not great for politics.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,574

    Saw someone on a Danish bike the other day, with a trailer that looked like a running pram. Had a front wheel for the trailer clipped to the side - so a three wheeler when not attached to the bike.

    Two kids in the front, heaps of stuff in the trailer.
    Son-in-law has bought something like that. He does quite a lot of running and wants to be able to take his grandson with him.
    Grandson is still a baby.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,226
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    Eabhal said:

    I use a kitchen knife.
    Seems a bit harsh on the mechanic.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Miklosvar said:

    Speed limiter or should that be 180?
    The speed limiter is 155, in common with most German cars of that era. But if I’d said that, someone would have said it’s irresponsible to go that fast. Saying it does 80 (fair motorway speed, when compared to a bicycle) is good enough, even though it does it with three gears left!
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,838

    Rishi is even worse than the geek who can’t emphathise in the micro because the macro is improving.

    Because Rishi has also fucked the macro.

    Jeremy Bentham he ain't.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620

    A

    Seems a bit harsh on the mechanic.
    A mechanic who could do that? To a bike belonging to a bike nut? Should be grateful it's a JIS screwdriver and not a katana that's brought to the workshop.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620

    Jeremy Bentham he ain't.
    Well, he's not stuffed yet.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    edited August 2023
    Eabhal said:

    The speed record for a bike is 184 mph. Perfectly legal too.
    What’s the speed record for a bike that didn’t involve close proximity to a car? (Or a big hill)

    For the uninformed, this is what 184mph on a bicycle looks like https://youtube.com/watch?v=CoUmgMhn2iY :D
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,012
    Carnyx said:

    Well, he's not stuffed yet.
    Or pickled, being teetotal

  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,159

    I think Rishi's finance background is definitely a major cause of this. One angle that has not been commented on is that, if you are a Buy-side client (which Rishi was for many years) and you work for a major fund (which Rishi did), essentially the sell-side banks suck up to you all day, every day and will never argue vociferously with you, even if they think you are wrong. It is too much risk if the client takes offence and goes somewhere else. Basically, you start to think you are superior which - to someone of Rishi's stature and manner - would go to his head. However, that is not great for politics.
    He's getting worse at concealing it though. Is his heart really in this fight?
  • Jeremy Bentham he ain't.
    The main thing I knew about Jeremy Bentham is that his stuffed bodily remains were kept on the UCL campus (though sadly not at Council meetings, despite the amusing urban myth.)

    Are we now at the stage where Britain needs a PM of the "a better (wo)man dead than anyone alive" type?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,226

    The main thing I knew about Jeremy Bentham is that his stuffed bodily remains were kept on the UCL campus (though sadly not at Council meetings, despite the amusing urban myth.)

    Are we now at the stage where Britain needs a PM of the "a better (wo)man dead than anyone alive" type?
    Konstantin Chernenko has entered the chat
  • ClippPClippP Posts: 1,964

    Meanwhile, seems Rishi didn't go down well on LBC this morning. Some commentary from General Boles-

    Rishi's terrible at the media thing because he's a geeky numbers guy who thinks at a macro level where individual hardship doesn't matter so long as the aggregate effect is positive for the country (as he sees it)
    He quickly gets annoyed with interviewers who question his "wisdom" because to him these are self-evidently the best policies and anyone who can't see it is a bit dim / disingenuous
    Before I became a top satirical photoshopper I was a big deal* in finance and we never let the analysts in front of clients because their brains weren't wired for the touchy-feely emotional side that you need to convince people to place their £££ with you
    *not entirely true


    https://twitter.com/GeneralBoles/status/1686716907393581061

    1. As a geeky numbers guy myself, he's not wrong, is he?
    2. What the hell do the Conservatives do about this at D minus 9/14/18 months?

    Lean back, shut their eyes and think of England.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,324
    Eabhal said:

    He's getting worse at concealing it though. Is his heart really in this fight?
    I think it is in the sense that he wants to win the election and continue being the CEO of Waystar-Royco. It's just that his personal skillset and gilded yet brief ascent has left him very ill-prepared to be PM of a desperately unpopular third term government that is relying on the Putin strategy of appealing exclusively to the elderly and poorly educated.

    He can't sell this populist guff with any authenticity in the way that Farage or Trump or even Putin can.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,300
    Sandpit said:

    Okay, nicked off the internet.
    (This is a later model of car)
    [Scale now obtained. Thank you, @Sandpit]
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    .

    The main thing I knew about Jeremy Bentham is that his stuffed bodily remains were kept on the UCL campus (though sadly not at Council meetings, despite the amusing urban myth.)

    Are we now at the stage where Britain needs a PM of the "a better (wo)man dead than anyone alive" type?
    But is it an urban myth?

    https://metro.co.uk/2013/07/12/181-year-old-corpse-of-jeremy-bentham-attends-ucl-board-meeting-3879586/
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,226
    Carnyx said:

    A mechanic who could do that? To a bike belonging to a bike nut? Should be grateful it's a JIS screwdriver and not a katana that's brought to the workshop.
    I’d didn’t say it wasn’t fair. Just harsh.

    I once said nothing as my wife and a friend tried to use a good wood chisel as a screwdriver. Nothing can upset me now.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    viewcode said:

    [Scale now obtained. Thank you, @Sandpit]
    I think @IanB2 has a somewhat smaller dog though, so be cautious of comparisons between my image and his.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620

    I’d didn’t say it wasn’t fair. Just harsh.

    I once said nothing as my wife and a friend tried to use a good wood chisel as a screwdriver. Nothing can upset me now.
    *hyperventilates and has panic attack at the very thought*
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,226
    Carnyx said:

    *hyperventilates and has panic attack at the very thought*
    As a result I can completely control my heart rate, just with my mind.

    https://youtu.be/4weEXyoXZKs
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,607
    Carnyx said:

    *hyperventilates and has panic attack at the very thought*
    I can only presume it wasn’t Malmesbury’s wood chisel.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,820
    Teenage boys are swinging right. But of course they are

    There is only so many times the Left can say "You are "toxic" simply by virtue of being male", until the toxic males will retort, "Fuck that I'll be a conservative, then"

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/4125661-high-school-boys-are-trending-conservative/

    The same will happen to white people under Woke-ism. Every time the Woke Left brands white people as intrinsically racist, and benefiting from White Privilege, white people will slowly shift culturally right. Which does NOT regard them as intrinsically evil

    Trump could win in 2024 because of this. Continental Europe is already headed that way
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,136
    Phil said:

    A query to the wise: is it permissible to use a Pozidriv screwdriver in a JIS screw head? Or am I supposed to obtain a JIS screwdriver for this one job?

    A Pozidriv would be even worse than a Philips
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    edited August 2023
    Leon said:

    Teenage boys are swinging right. But of course they are

    There is only so many times the Left can say "You are "toxic" simply by virtue of being male", until the toxic males will retort, "Fuck that I'll be a conservative, then"

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/4125661-high-school-boys-are-trending-conservative/

    The same will happen to white people under Woke-ism. Every time the Woke Left brands white people as intrinsically racist, and benefiting from White Privilege, white people will slowly shift culturally right. Which does NOT regard them as intrinsically evil

    Trump could win in 2024 because of this. Continental Europe is already headed that way

    Yep, that’s happening. https://youtube.com/watch?v=PMRjxBoexxM <<— Saagar Enjeti, not Andrew Tate.

    Especially white, working-class men. It’s a massive (but surely not unexpected) backlash against being told they’re racist and misogynist by default, as they watch affirmative action policies on college admissions put them to the back of the queue.
  • NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,375
    Leon said:

    Teenage boys are swinging right. But of course they are

    There is only so many times the Left can say "You are "toxic" simply by virtue of being male", until the toxic males will retort, "Fuck that I'll be a conservative, then"

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/4125661-high-school-boys-are-trending-conservative/

    The same will happen to white people under Woke-ism. Every time the Woke Left brands white people as intrinsically racist, and benefiting from White Privilege, white people will slowly shift culturally right. Which does NOT regard them as intrinsically evil

    Trump could win in 2024 because of this. Continental Europe is already headed that way

    Very true, resentment will build
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,670
    edited August 2023
    viewcode said:

    [Scale now obtained. Thank you, @Sandpit]
    As I always say, it's not a competition.

    What is your annual running cost, btw? *innocent face*

    I nearly bought a Mercedes E-Class Estate in 2018. But it was over the super-VED threshold price, I test drove it a frost, and I couldn't carry a stack of house doors in it with the tailgate closed.

    So I went for a well-specced Skoda Super Estate instead, at just under 40% less.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,307
    Leon said:

    Teenage boys are swinging right. But of course they are

    There is only so many times the Left can say "You are "toxic" simply by virtue of being male", until the toxic males will retort, "Fuck that I'll be a conservative, then"

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/4125661-high-school-boys-are-trending-conservative/

    The same will happen to white people under Woke-ism. Every time the Woke Left brands white people as intrinsically racist, and benefiting from White Privilege, white people will slowly shift culturally right. Which does NOT regard them as intrinsically evil

    Trump could win in 2024 because of this. Continental Europe is already headed that way

    And yet you will hear people say culture war stuff doesn’t matter and won’t affect any votes.

  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,136
  • Leon said:

    Teenage boys are swinging right. But of course they are

    There is only so many times the Left can say "You are "toxic" simply by virtue of being male", until the toxic males will retort, "Fuck that I'll be a conservative, then"

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/4125661-high-school-boys-are-trending-conservative/

    The same will happen to white people under Woke-ism. Every time the Woke Left brands white people as intrinsically racist, and benefiting from White Privilege, white people will slowly shift culturally right. Which does NOT regard them as intrinsically evil

    Trump could win in 2024 because of this. Continental Europe is already headed that way

    A fair bit of this is going to be how we define "being male". No, I'm not talking about cock or not, I'm talking about what it means to be male. My father-in-law seemed aggrieved that his government says that "wolf-whistling at a beautiful woman" is a crime.

    The way he described the law and the potential punishment may be accurate, may be not. But as I pointed out to him, if guys started harassing my daughter / his grand-daughter, we'd both be unhappy about it.

    So what part of "being male" is under attack? In America the right want it to mean that their womenfolk are basically chattels. Put out as that is God's will, but no free access to contraception as that makes you a who-er, and if you get pregnant then no abortion and no travel in case you're off to get an abortion.

    I'm quite happy for the old ways of "being male" to be under attack.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    Miklosvar said:

    God that is tone deaf even by his standards.It's not like he has to keep up the Easyjet to the Med pretence longer than this summer and next. Even Dave managed this.
    Really? Didn't Brown like going to Cape Cod? Is holidaying in California such a big deal?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,394

    A fair bit of this is going to be how we define "being male". No, I'm not talking about cock or not, I'm talking about what it means to be male. My father-in-law seemed aggrieved that his government says that "wolf-whistling at a beautiful woman" is a crime.

    The way he described the law and the potential punishment may be accurate, may be not. But as I pointed out to him, if guys started harassing my daughter / his grand-daughter, we'd both be unhappy about it.

    So what part of "being male" is under attack? In America the right want it to mean that their womenfolk are basically chattels. Put out as that is God's will, but no free access to contraception as that makes you a who-er, and if you get pregnant then no abortion and no travel in case you're off to get an abortion.

    I'm quite happy for the old ways of "being male" to be under attack.
    The other day, Leon stated a series of attributes of what he thought women want in men. It was... somewhat outdated.

    The 'problem' with incels is not helped by that sort of rubbish. A good bit of advice to get a girl is; "Don't be a git."
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,226
    edited August 2023
    Phil said:

    I can only presume it wasn’t Malmesbury’s wood chisel.
    It was
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,223
    edited August 2023
    Leon said:

    Teenage boys are swinging right. But of course they are

    There is only so many times the Left can say "You are "toxic" simply by virtue of being male", until the toxic males will retort, "Fuck that I'll be a conservative, then"

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/4125661-high-school-boys-are-trending-conservative/

    The same will happen to white people under Woke-ism. Every time the Woke Left brands white people as intrinsically racist, and benefiting from White Privilege, white people will slowly shift culturally right. Which does NOT regard them as intrinsically evil

    Trump could win in 2024 because of this. Continental Europe is already headed that way

    The article also says this though:

    "The chart gave the impression, at least on first glance, that two-thirds of 12th-grade boys were now conservative. In the small print beneath, Twenge noted that she had omitted moderates.

    The full story is messier and murkier. High school seniors, boys and girls alike, are more likely to claim no political identity than to throw in with either liberals or conservatives.
    "
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,820
    edited August 2023
    CatMan said:

    The article also says this though:

    "The chart gave the impression, at least on first glance, that two-thirds of 12th-grade boys were now conservative. In the small print beneath, Twenge noted that she had omitted moderates.

    The full story is messier and murkier. High school seniors, boys and girls alike, are more likely to claim no political identity than to throw in with either liberals or conservatives.
    "
    Yes. Hence "trending"

    It is not a dramatic swing, not yet. But it is a very interesting trend

    It tallies entirely with what my friends are experiencing with their teenage boys - in the UK. They either love Andrew Tate or they are, at least, intrigued by him. They've all heard of him. Andrew Tate certainly does not tell them they are "toxic" just coz they are boys
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,338
    Leon said:

    Teenage boys are swinging right. But of course they are

    There is only so many times the Left can say "You are "toxic" simply by virtue of being male", until the toxic males will retort, "Fuck that I'll be a conservative, then"

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/4125661-high-school-boys-are-trending-conservative/

    The same will happen to white people under Woke-ism. Every time the Woke Left brands white people as intrinsically racist, and benefiting from White Privilege, white people will slowly shift culturally right. Which does NOT regard them as intrinsically evil

    Trump could win in 2024 because of this. Continental Europe is already headed that way

    You're wasting your breath.

    They don't understand. They don't even want to listen.
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,108

    @Dura_Ace I have a bike question… Are you aware of any good framesets with a non-existant or low top tube? I have a medical condition which makes it difficult for me to get over the top tube but I would like to build a bike up in future as a project (I know not good value for money).

    I was thinking maybe a mountain bike frame but not sure where to start with that for mainly road running.

    At the bespoke end, Thorn Cycles used to have the tough quality Sherpa and Raven frames in a step-through version.

    Edit - may now not be available, but pre-owned ones sometimes are:
    https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/bikes/thorn-raven-step-through-rohloff-equipped-bike-420-st-british-racing-green-used/
  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855
    edited August 2023

    Really? Didn't Brown like going to Cape Cod? Is holidaying in California such a big deal?
    Brown was not a billionaire with a helicopter and a non dom wife. Cape Cod did not feed in to an existing rich, out of touch, not one of us narrative.

    ETA Just seen this, he is working on the relatability after all

    "He said his daughters, Krishna and Anoushka, were “very excited” about the prospect of visiting Disneyland.

    The prime minister, a self-confessed “huge Star Wars fan”, joked that his daughters were worried they would spend too much time at Disneyland’s new Star Wars area.

    Sunak has a sizeable collection of lightsabers and has previously described Sajid Javid, the former health secretary, chancellor and home secretary, as his “Jedi Master” before a 2019 screening of The Rise of Skywalker."
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620

    It was
    *quietly impressed by that level of self-control, recalling a study discussed many years ago with a fellow student who followed the Dharma in the Tibetan mode*

    https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2002/04/meditation-changes-temperatures/
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,607

    It was
    😱

    You’re a stronger man than I.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,300
    edited August 2023
    MattW said:

    As I always say, it's not a competition.

    What is your annual running cost, btw? *innocent face*

    I nearly bought a Mercedes E-Class Estate in 2018. But it was over the super-VED threshold price, I test drove it a frost, and I couldn't carry a stack of house doors in it with the tailgate closed.

    So I went for a well-specced Skoda Super Estate instead, at just under 40% less.
    I just worked it out. Trains, taxis, buses temp accom. High three four figures, low four five figures, depending. Yikes. :(

    [Edit: annual, not monthly]
  • The other day, Leon stated a series of attributes of what he thought women want in men. It was... somewhat outdated.

    The 'problem' with incels is not helped by that sort of rubbish. A good bit of advice to get a girl is; "Don't be a git."
    I'm perhaps not the world expert on masculinity as I am part-deviant (or "demented", as my father-in-law inadvertently labelled me and the rest of the LBGT community). Point is that people should be treated as you want to be treated. Women and girls are people too, yet there is this mindset amongst some blokes that it is all I Me Mine and whatever women want should fit around their needs / desires / demands.

    I am not too concerned that we are - supposedly - making the younger generation conservative by demanding that men treat women as equals. Is the argument that women are *not* equal and that the "woke" agenda of lying that they are should be respected?

    No thanks. Woke gets a bad rap from people who like inequality and inequity and discrimination against the other. If thinking my daughter should have all the opportunities my sons have is "toxic" then I'm happy to be out and woke. I define "woke" as not being a "[ban hammer]"
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,820

    You're wasting your breath.

    They don't understand. They don't even want to listen.
    Well, when the entire western world is governed by populist Far Right governments that shoots migrants in the water and puts lefties in prison camps on the Isle of Lewis we can at least say We tried to warn you
  • Leon said:

    Yes. Hence "trending"

    It is not a dramatic swing, not yet. But it is a very interesting trend

    It tallies entirely with what my friends are experiencing with their teenage boys - in the UK. They either love Andrew Tate or they are, at least, intrigued by him. They've all heard of him. Andrew Tate certainly does not tell them they are "toxic" just coz they are boys
    No. Andrew Tait tells them that girls are toxic just coz they are girls. Nobody in education or parenting is telling young men they are " "toxic" just coz they are boys ". But they might be telling them they have to be respectful of others and can't treat women as property. I know, its a shame from some perspectives...
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    Miklosvar said:

    Brown was not a billionaire with a helicopter and a non dom wife. Cape Cod did not feed in to an existing rich, out of touch, not one of us narrative.

    ETA Just seen this, he is working on the relatability after all

    "He said his daughters, Krishna and Anoushka, were “very excited” about the prospect of visiting Disneyland.

    The prime minister, a self-confessed “huge Star Wars fan”, joked that his daughters were worried they would spend too much time at Disneyland’s new Star Wars area.

    Sunak has a sizeable collection of lightsabers and has previously described Sajid Javid, the former health secretary, chancellor and home secretary, as his “Jedi Master” before a 2019 screening of The Rise of Skywalker."
    So long as he doesn't do a Peppa Pig at the CBI, I suppose?
  • The way the right seem to speak is that anyone who is vaguely left of centre is somehow thick if they don't agree with them.

    This feels awfully like Labour in 2019, calling all voters who weren't like them, thick.

    Perhaps it's that some people genuinely think being left-wing is okay and they have these beliefs sincerely? Why do they have to be brainwashed or thick.

    Perhaps the right should try and understand young people.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,820
    Miklosvar said:

    Brown was not a billionaire with a helicopter and a non dom wife. Cape Cod did not feed in to an existing rich, out of touch, not one of us narrative.
    Sunak is derided when he is inauthentic - enjoy your pint of prosecco! - but now, when he is authentic - he's a billionaire, he goes to California - he is also derided. So he can't win, so he might as well go to California, if he likes it there

    Tho I confess I am intrigued as to the choice of California for a summer holiday. It's often too hot in high summer, it's a really long way, the cities are not very enticing

    The mountains and national parks will be lovely (and cooler) but also rammed

    Odd choice; but maybe he has fam and friends there? Along with a 2nd home
  • PeckPeck Posts: 517
    edited August 2023

    I don't think the Lords would be overcome. An Enabling Act was not a manifesto promise - and if it was they wouldn't accept it as legitimate. This bill wouldn't clear Parliament, and if Sunak responded with a bill to either cripple or abolish the Other Place that would also not pass inspection.

    When Truss tried to break the economy we very quickly progressed to the powers that be telling the grandees in the Tory party to ignore wazzocks like Simon Ding Dong Clarke and have her out of office. An Enabling Act to cling to power wouldn't have universal support in the party (perhaps only with ex Plaid entryists like HY), and the powers that be would inform Mrs Brady that he needed to get the pearl-handled revolver out again.

    Her Ma'am may well have stayed out of it. But King Chuck isn't afraid to speak his mind - especially when as in this scenario constitutionally he is expected to give advice. Would be fun to watch though. Imagine the aftermath - "HOW THE BLOB STOLE OUR DEMOCRACY" - a 3 hour debate on GBeebies with Nadine Dorries and Lee Anderson.
    If the Lords don't accept proposed legislation on a manifesto commitment (which would be a kind of seizure of power - by them), either call a general election so that the Volk can tell the Lords yes they did mean it, or else have a shootout in the Palace of Westminster.

    But however amusing it would be to see the legitimacy of Parliament Acts go to the Supreme Court, that kind of bill isn't the way. Any problem with MPs (or Lords for that matter), just arrest the f**kers. (Power doesn't lie on that side of Parliament Square.) Good to have the attorney general on your side, because you don't want him to go all Thomas More on you. But given all the stalwart and squeaky-clean service he'll have already done in areas such as prosecutions (and non-prosecutions) in customs cases, there's little chance of that.

    The monarch can't possibly stay out of it if there's a coup.

    Along with Mountbatten's consideration of an Oswald Mosley option, one of the most fascinating features of his coup plotting was the role of Basil Smallpeice, financial adviser to the monarch. Just as government bills have to be pre-okayed under king's consent rules, just to check they don't damage the monarch financially, it seems the same applied to a proposed coup on that occasion.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,226
    edited August 2023
    Carnyx said:

    So long as he doesn't do a Peppa Pig at the CBI, I suppose?
    More worried about his eyes getting a bit red, a failed assassination attempt and a declaration of a Second British Empire…
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,264
    One of the things that puzzles me about the 2016 and 2020 elections is that Democrats failed to attack Trump in the most obvious way: I have said for some time that those who follow the Loser risk losing their money, or even their freedom. It would not be difficult to do a series of TV ads showing some of Trump's many victims.

    (This isn't an original idea. Democrats did something similar with a misleading ad attacking Mitt Romney, early in that presidential campaign -- and he never completely recovered from the attack.)
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,854

    ...there is this mindset amongst some blokes that it is all I Me Mine and whatever women want should fit around their needs / desires / demands.

    Are you referring to the blokes who demand to be accepted as female because of their attire and think that no mere woman should have the right to contradict them?
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