Is Rishi Sunak set to be hoist with his own petard? – politicalbetting.com
% of Britons who think the government is doing well on Rishi Sunak's 5 pledgesReducing inflation: 14% (+7 from 20-21 June)Encouraging economic growth: 17% (+3)Reducing national debt: 10% (+2)Cutting waiting lists: 5% (=)Tackling small boats: 6% (=)https://t.co/TMGvop8VRG pic.twitter.com/mF25KjL9iQ
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The ultimate total non-story about rich rich cabinet ministers was George Osborne getting widespread grief for eating a Byron Burger rather than a McDonalds late at night before the budget.....because it cost £7. Those were the days when a "posh" burger was just £7. You are lucky to get change from £15 if you go to Five Guys these days.4
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Yet the facts show one of his key pledges is starting to be met. Inflation fell to 7.9% last month from 8.7%.
https://news.sky.com/story/inflation-falls-to-7-9-in-bigger-than-expected-drop-12922655
The CBI also expects the UK economy to grow by 0.4% in 2023, firming to 1.8% in 2024.
https://www.cbi.org.uk/media-centre/articles/uk-economy-set-to-grow-and-business-investment-to-rise-following-brush-with-recession-cbi-economic-forecast/
Bush Snr also left Clinton with a falling deficit by raising taxes, even if it partly cost him the election as some of his base went to Buchanan in the GOP primaries and Perot in the main 1992 Presidential election0 -
The question isn't about the facts - it's about perceptions.HYUFD said:Yet the facts show one of his key pledges is starting to be met. Inflation fell to 7.9% this month.
https://news.sky.com/story/inflation-falls-to-7-9-in-bigger-than-expected-drop-12922655
Bush Snr also left Clinton with a falling deficit by raising taxes, even if it partly cost him the election as some of his base went to Buchanan in the GOP primaries and Perot in the main 1992 Presidential election
Like ULEZ - everyone thinks it's going to cost them financially until they find out their car is compliant and then it becomes a non-issue.
Even if inflation does fall (which it no doubt will), many voters will still see their costs rising especially as annual insurance renewals are put up 20% or more by gouging insurance companies and energy bills remain high while utility companies make enormous profits.0 -
But for most voters that doesn't count as falling inflation.HYUFD said:Yet the facts show one of his key pledges is starting to be met. Inflation fell to 7.9% last month from 8.7%.
https://news.sky.com/story/inflation-falls-to-7-9-in-bigger-than-expected-drop-12922655
The CBI also expects the UK economy to grow by 0.4% in 2023, firming to 1.8% in 2024.
https://www.cbi.org.uk/media-centre/articles/uk-economy-set-to-grow-and-business-investment-to-rise-following-brush-with-recession-cbi-economic-forecast/
Bush Snr also left Clinton with a falling deficit by raising taxes, even if it partly cost him the election as some of his base went to Buchanan in the GOP primaries and Perot in the main 1992 Presidential election
When Rishi Sunak says he aims to halve inflation, British voters think he aims to get... (7 June)
Prices to decrease 47%
Prices to increase more slowly 42%
Don't know 11%
https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/06/11/deflating-rishi-sunak/0 -
Also falling inflation does not obviously mean falling prices, it means falling rate of increase in prices......it still means further pain. It is why the target is always 2%, because slow and steady increase is much more manageable all round.stodge said:
The question isn't about the facts - it's about perceptions.HYUFD said:Yet the facts show one of his key pledges is starting to be met. Inflation fell to 7.9% this month.
https://news.sky.com/story/inflation-falls-to-7-9-in-bigger-than-expected-drop-12922655
Bush Snr also left Clinton with a falling deficit by raising taxes, even if it partly cost him the election as some of his base went to Buchanan in the GOP primaries and Perot in the main 1992 Presidential election
Like ULEZ - everyone thinks it's going to cost them financially until they find out their car is compliant and then it becomes a non-issue.
Even if inflation does fall (which it no doubt will), many voters will still see their costs rising especially as annual insurance renewals are put up 20% or more by gouging insurance companies and energy bills remain high while utility companies make enormous profits.1 -
Financial literacy is a huge problem....we all remember Deficit vs Debt....TheScreamingEagles said:
But for most voters don't count that as falling inflation.HYUFD said:Yet the facts show one of his key pledges is starting to be met. Inflation fell to 7.9% last month from 8.7%.
https://news.sky.com/story/inflation-falls-to-7-9-in-bigger-than-expected-drop-12922655
The CBI also expects the UK economy to grow by 0.4% in 2023, firming to 1.8% in 2024.
https://www.cbi.org.uk/media-centre/articles/uk-economy-set-to-grow-and-business-investment-to-rise-following-brush-with-recession-cbi-economic-forecast/
Bush Snr also left Clinton with a falling deficit by raising taxes, even if it partly cost him the election as some of his base went to Buchanan in the GOP primaries and Perot in the main 1992 Presidential election
When Rishi Sunak says he aims to halve inflation, British voters think he aims to get... (7 June)
Prices to decrease 47%
Prices to increase more slowly 42%
Don't know 11%
https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/06/11/deflating-rishi-sunak/0 -
Indeed. Actual Deflation is dangerous - and can become dismally unpleasantFrancisUrquhart said:
Also falling inflation does not obviously mean falling prices, it means falling rate of increase in prices......it still means further pain. It is why the target is always 2%, because slow and steady increase is much more manageable all round.stodge said:
The question isn't about the facts - it's about perceptions.HYUFD said:Yet the facts show one of his key pledges is starting to be met. Inflation fell to 7.9% this month.
https://news.sky.com/story/inflation-falls-to-7-9-in-bigger-than-expected-drop-12922655
Bush Snr also left Clinton with a falling deficit by raising taxes, even if it partly cost him the election as some of his base went to Buchanan in the GOP primaries and Perot in the main 1992 Presidential election
Like ULEZ - everyone thinks it's going to cost them financially until they find out their car is compliant and then it becomes a non-issue.
Even if inflation does fall (which it no doubt will), many voters will still see their costs rising especially as annual insurance renewals are put up 20% or more by gouging insurance companies and energy bills remain high while utility companies make enormous profits.0 -
FPTviewcode said:It's Sunday, and that can only mean... Perun day! (claps like a seal)
Now calm down children. What has our antipodean War Santa bought in his sack this week?
Perun 20230730: "The Black Sea & The Naval War in Ukraine - Drones, Grain, Blockades & the Bridge to Crimea": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8D7ioiW0JA (1hr 1min 49sec)1 -
I just want it noted that I, for one, never gave two hoots about the cricket, anyway. A silly boring game4
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By sleight of hand, on paper Sunak will meet all his targets. Whether the voter believes a word of it is the question.
Anyway all those pledges mean not a jot. Sunak is now the motorist's friend. His success can be measured on declining road safety and air pollution. Targets he should easily achieve if he crosses swords with the automotive green lobby.
I have been quite impressed with Sunak of late, but this car nonsense is just absurd, base politics. What a tit!
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FPT:
Don't forget bionic duckweed.Luckyguy1983 said:What we should be doing is finding creative ways to reduce our greenhouse gas output, including (as Casino Royale mentioned the other day) changing cow feed to reduce methane emissions, dressing fields with rock dust that that they sequester more carbon, use tidal energy, a cheap, dependable source of zero carbon energy, get behind small modular reactors properly and ensure that all current nuclear stations are recommissioned as small modular reactor stations.
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Same, I'm watching the Grand Prix.Leon said:I just want it noted that I, for one, never gave two hoots about the cricket, anyway. A silly boring game
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Well there is no more of the boring long form of it another 6 months.....so you don't need to worry about that. And nobody gives a shit about the Trent Turbos vs Yorkshire Yorkie Bars in the Hundred.Leon said:I just want it noted that I, for one, never gave two hoots about the cricket, anyway. A silly boring game
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That’s a brilliant bit of data. It is sublimely good evidence of a rather uncomfortable truth - 50% of people have an IQ below 100. By definition. Half of Britons are either quite dim or very dim - they think “halving inflation” = prices going DOWNTheScreamingEagles said:
But for most voters that doesn't count that as falling inflation.HYUFD said:Yet the facts show one of his key pledges is starting to be met. Inflation fell to 7.9% last month from 8.7%.
https://news.sky.com/story/inflation-falls-to-7-9-in-bigger-than-expected-drop-12922655
The CBI also expects the UK economy to grow by 0.4% in 2023, firming to 1.8% in 2024.
https://www.cbi.org.uk/media-centre/articles/uk-economy-set-to-grow-and-business-investment-to-rise-following-brush-with-recession-cbi-economic-forecast/
Bush Snr also left Clinton with a falling deficit by raising taxes, even if it partly cost him the election as some of his base went to Buchanan in the GOP primaries and Perot in the main 1992 Presidential election
When Rishi Sunak says he aims to halve inflation, British voters think he aims to get... (7 June)
Prices to decrease 47%
Prices to increase more slowly 42%
Don't know 11%
https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/06/11/deflating-rishi-sunak/
I do sometimes have my doubts about democracy when I remember this important fact. Half the country is thick0 -
And that includes massive portions of the media.....We saw it with debt vs deficit "debates" and COVID stats, all far too confusing.Leon said:
That’s a brilliant bit of data. It is sublimely good evidence of a rather uncomfortable truth - 50% of people have an IQ below 100. By definition. Half of Britons are either quite dim or very dim - they think “halving inflation” = prices going DOWNTheScreamingEagles said:
But for most voters that doesn't count that as falling inflation.HYUFD said:Yet the facts show one of his key pledges is starting to be met. Inflation fell to 7.9% last month from 8.7%.
https://news.sky.com/story/inflation-falls-to-7-9-in-bigger-than-expected-drop-12922655
The CBI also expects the UK economy to grow by 0.4% in 2023, firming to 1.8% in 2024.
https://www.cbi.org.uk/media-centre/articles/uk-economy-set-to-grow-and-business-investment-to-rise-following-brush-with-recession-cbi-economic-forecast/
Bush Snr also left Clinton with a falling deficit by raising taxes, even if it partly cost him the election as some of his base went to Buchanan in the GOP primaries and Perot in the main 1992 Presidential election
When Rishi Sunak says he aims to halve inflation, British voters think he aims to get... (7 June)
Prices to decrease 47%
Prices to increase more slowly 42%
Don't know 11%
https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/06/11/deflating-rishi-sunak/
I do sometimes have my doubts about democracy when I remember this important fact. Half the country is thick0 -
Quite a poorly written article, and given that most of the things mentioned above are very 'old tech', that's why we know they work, not very relevant.El_Capitano said:FPT:
Don't forget bionic duckweed.Luckyguy1983 said:What we should be doing is finding creative ways to reduce our greenhouse gas output, including (as Casino Royale mentioned the other day) changing cow feed to reduce methane emissions, dressing fields with rock dust that that they sequester more carbon, use tidal energy, a cheap, dependable source of zero carbon energy, get behind small modular reactors properly and ensure that all current nuclear stations are recommissioned as small modular reactor stations.
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That's currently very dull too.TheScreamingEagles said:
Same, I'm watching the Grand Prix.Leon said:I just want it noted that I, for one, never gave two hoots about the cricket, anyway. A silly boring game
The only interesting thing so far is Hamilton pushing Sainz into Piastri and smashing them both up.0 -
52% at the last count.Leon said:
That’s a brilliant bit of data. It is sublimely good evidence of a rather uncomfortable truth - 50% of people have an IQ below 100. By definition. Half of Britons are either quite dim or very dim - they think “halving inflation” = prices going DOWNTheScreamingEagles said:
But for most voters that doesn't count that as falling inflation.HYUFD said:Yet the facts show one of his key pledges is starting to be met. Inflation fell to 7.9% last month from 8.7%.
https://news.sky.com/story/inflation-falls-to-7-9-in-bigger-than-expected-drop-12922655
The CBI also expects the UK economy to grow by 0.4% in 2023, firming to 1.8% in 2024.
https://www.cbi.org.uk/media-centre/articles/uk-economy-set-to-grow-and-business-investment-to-rise-following-brush-with-recession-cbi-economic-forecast/
Bush Snr also left Clinton with a falling deficit by raising taxes, even if it partly cost him the election as some of his base went to Buchanan in the GOP primaries and Perot in the main 1992 Presidential election
When Rishi Sunak says he aims to halve inflation, British voters think he aims to get... (7 June)
Prices to decrease 47%
Prices to increase more slowly 42%
Don't know 11%
https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/06/11/deflating-rishi-sunak/
I do sometimes have my doubts about democracy when I remember this important fact. Half the country is thick4 -
I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.2
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And really quite an alarming number of MPs, as wellFrancisUrquhart said:
And that includes massive portions of the media.....We saw it with debt vs deficit "debates" and COVID stats.Leon said:
That’s a brilliant bit of data. It is sublimely good evidence of a rather uncomfortable truth - 50% of people have an IQ below 100. By definition. Half of Britons are either quite dim or very dim - they think “halving inflation” = prices going DOWNTheScreamingEagles said:
But for most voters that doesn't count that as falling inflation.HYUFD said:Yet the facts show one of his key pledges is starting to be met. Inflation fell to 7.9% last month from 8.7%.
https://news.sky.com/story/inflation-falls-to-7-9-in-bigger-than-expected-drop-12922655
The CBI also expects the UK economy to grow by 0.4% in 2023, firming to 1.8% in 2024.
https://www.cbi.org.uk/media-centre/articles/uk-economy-set-to-grow-and-business-investment-to-rise-following-brush-with-recession-cbi-economic-forecast/
Bush Snr also left Clinton with a falling deficit by raising taxes, even if it partly cost him the election as some of his base went to Buchanan in the GOP primaries and Perot in the main 1992 Presidential election
When Rishi Sunak says he aims to halve inflation, British voters think he aims to get... (7 June)
Prices to decrease 47%
Prices to increase more slowly 42%
Don't know 11%
https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/06/11/deflating-rishi-sunak/
I do sometimes have my doubts about democracy when I remember this important fact. Half the country is thick
Worse, IQs are declining fast across the West (and perhaps elsewhere). I see evidence of this all the time, now
AI can’t happen fast enough
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We could increase average IQ by about 8% by reclassifying all civil servants at the DfE, DfT, DoH and associated agencies as 'pond life.'Leon said:
That’s a brilliant bit of data. It is sublimely good evidence of a rather uncomfortable truth - 50% of people have an IQ below 100. By definition. Half of Britons are either quite dim or very dim - they think “halving inflation” = prices going DOWNTheScreamingEagles said:
But for most voters that doesn't count that as falling inflation.HYUFD said:Yet the facts show one of his key pledges is starting to be met. Inflation fell to 7.9% last month from 8.7%.
https://news.sky.com/story/inflation-falls-to-7-9-in-bigger-than-expected-drop-12922655
The CBI also expects the UK economy to grow by 0.4% in 2023, firming to 1.8% in 2024.
https://www.cbi.org.uk/media-centre/articles/uk-economy-set-to-grow-and-business-investment-to-rise-following-brush-with-recession-cbi-economic-forecast/
Bush Snr also left Clinton with a falling deficit by raising taxes, even if it partly cost him the election as some of his base went to Buchanan in the GOP primaries and Perot in the main 1992 Presidential election
When Rishi Sunak says he aims to halve inflation, British voters think he aims to get... (7 June)
Prices to decrease 47%
Prices to increase more slowly 42%
Don't know 11%
https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/06/11/deflating-rishi-sunak/
I do sometimes have my doubts about democracy when I remember this important fact. Half the country is thick
Wouldn't solve the problem of people not grasping inflation, of course.0 -
Rain coming up in 15-20 mins.ydoethur said:
That's currently very dull too.TheScreamingEagles said:
Same, I'm watching the Grand Prix.Leon said:I just want it noted that I, for one, never gave two hoots about the cricket, anyway. A silly boring game
The only interesting thing so far is Hamilton pushing Sainz into Piastri and smashing them both up.0 -
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
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Not sure that is fair - inflation is encountered on the street as an actual increase in prices, rather than the differential thereof (or the differential of the differential if we are talking about, say, Mr Sunak saying that inflation is slowing down).Leon said:
That’s a brilliant bit of data. It is sublimely good evidence of a rather uncomfortable truth - 50% of people have an IQ below 100. By definition. Half of Britons are either quite dim or very dim - they think “halving inflation” = prices going DOWNTheScreamingEagles said:
But for most voters that doesn't count that as falling inflation.HYUFD said:Yet the facts show one of his key pledges is starting to be met. Inflation fell to 7.9% last month from 8.7%.
https://news.sky.com/story/inflation-falls-to-7-9-in-bigger-than-expected-drop-12922655
The CBI also expects the UK economy to grow by 0.4% in 2023, firming to 1.8% in 2024.
https://www.cbi.org.uk/media-centre/articles/uk-economy-set-to-grow-and-business-investment-to-rise-following-brush-with-recession-cbi-economic-forecast/
Bush Snr also left Clinton with a falling deficit by raising taxes, even if it partly cost him the election as some of his base went to Buchanan in the GOP primaries and Perot in the main 1992 Presidential election
When Rishi Sunak says he aims to halve inflation, British voters think he aims to get... (7 June)
Prices to decrease 47%
Prices to increase more slowly 42%
Don't know 11%
https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/06/11/deflating-rishi-sunak/
I do sometimes have my doubts about democracy when I remember this important fact. Half the country is thick
Also: that assumes that numbers of voters with the different IQ scores are a pure normal curve in their distribution. Which doesn't make sense, if only because many people are effectively zero IQ (e.g. dementia).0 -
Well MPs being thick is a given.....Leon said:
And really quite an alarming number of MPs, as wellFrancisUrquhart said:
And that includes massive portions of the media.....We saw it with debt vs deficit "debates" and COVID stats.Leon said:
That’s a brilliant bit of data. It is sublimely good evidence of a rather uncomfortable truth - 50% of people have an IQ below 100. By definition. Half of Britons are either quite dim or very dim - they think “halving inflation” = prices going DOWNTheScreamingEagles said:
But for most voters that doesn't count that as falling inflation.HYUFD said:Yet the facts show one of his key pledges is starting to be met. Inflation fell to 7.9% last month from 8.7%.
https://news.sky.com/story/inflation-falls-to-7-9-in-bigger-than-expected-drop-12922655
The CBI also expects the UK economy to grow by 0.4% in 2023, firming to 1.8% in 2024.
https://www.cbi.org.uk/media-centre/articles/uk-economy-set-to-grow-and-business-investment-to-rise-following-brush-with-recession-cbi-economic-forecast/
Bush Snr also left Clinton with a falling deficit by raising taxes, even if it partly cost him the election as some of his base went to Buchanan in the GOP primaries and Perot in the main 1992 Presidential election
When Rishi Sunak says he aims to halve inflation, British voters think he aims to get... (7 June)
Prices to decrease 47%
Prices to increase more slowly 42%
Don't know 11%
https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/06/11/deflating-rishi-sunak/
I do sometimes have my doubts about democracy when I remember this important fact. Half the country is thick
Worse, IQs are declining fast across the West (and perhaps elsewhere). I see evidence of this all the time, now
AI can’t happen fast enough0 -
I suppose democracy is slightly self correcting in that the really really really thick voters are too thick to vote. Esp the young who have lower IQs due to the Reverse Flynn Effect
Some small consolation there0 -
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.0 -
It’s unfair to single out Brits. Half the people across the world have an IQ under 100. And most countries where this has been measured now have declining IQTheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.0 -
Is this a uniquely British thing or effecting the whole of the West?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.0 -
Quite a few of us post on here too!TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
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Even Nelson doesn't bring a wicket
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Unfair on watery tarts distributing cutlery from ponds.ydoethur said:
We could increase average IQ by about 8% by reclassifying all civil servants at the DfE, DfT, DoH and associated agencies as 'pond life.'Leon said:
That’s a brilliant bit of data. It is sublimely good evidence of a rather uncomfortable truth - 50% of people have an IQ below 100. By definition. Half of Britons are either quite dim or very dim - they think “halving inflation” = prices going DOWNTheScreamingEagles said:
But for most voters that doesn't count that as falling inflation.HYUFD said:Yet the facts show one of his key pledges is starting to be met. Inflation fell to 7.9% last month from 8.7%.
https://news.sky.com/story/inflation-falls-to-7-9-in-bigger-than-expected-drop-12922655
The CBI also expects the UK economy to grow by 0.4% in 2023, firming to 1.8% in 2024.
https://www.cbi.org.uk/media-centre/articles/uk-economy-set-to-grow-and-business-investment-to-rise-following-brush-with-recession-cbi-economic-forecast/
Bush Snr also left Clinton with a falling deficit by raising taxes, even if it partly cost him the election as some of his base went to Buchanan in the GOP primaries and Perot in the main 1992 Presidential election
When Rishi Sunak says he aims to halve inflation, British voters think he aims to get... (7 June)
Prices to decrease 47%
Prices to increase more slowly 42%
Don't know 11%
https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/06/11/deflating-rishi-sunak/
I do sometimes have my doubts about democracy when I remember this important fact. Half the country is thick
Wouldn't solve the problem of people not grasping inflation, of course.1 -
I have only seen polling for Brits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is this a uniquely British thing or effecting the whole of the West?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.0 -
I would like to see some evidence of declining (or should it be falling) IQs.Leon said:
And really quite an alarming number of MPs, as wellFrancisUrquhart said:
And that includes massive portions of the media.....We saw it with debt vs deficit "debates" and COVID stats.Leon said:
That’s a brilliant bit of data. It is sublimely good evidence of a rather uncomfortable truth - 50% of people have an IQ below 100. By definition. Half of Britons are either quite dim or very dim - they think “halving inflation” = prices going DOWNTheScreamingEagles said:
But for most voters that doesn't count that as falling inflation.HYUFD said:Yet the facts show one of his key pledges is starting to be met. Inflation fell to 7.9% last month from 8.7%.
https://news.sky.com/story/inflation-falls-to-7-9-in-bigger-than-expected-drop-12922655
The CBI also expects the UK economy to grow by 0.4% in 2023, firming to 1.8% in 2024.
https://www.cbi.org.uk/media-centre/articles/uk-economy-set-to-grow-and-business-investment-to-rise-following-brush-with-recession-cbi-economic-forecast/
Bush Snr also left Clinton with a falling deficit by raising taxes, even if it partly cost him the election as some of his base went to Buchanan in the GOP primaries and Perot in the main 1992 Presidential election
When Rishi Sunak says he aims to halve inflation, British voters think he aims to get... (7 June)
Prices to decrease 47%
Prices to increase more slowly 42%
Don't know 11%
https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/06/11/deflating-rishi-sunak/
I do sometimes have my doubts about democracy when I remember this important fact. Half the country is thick
Worse, IQs are declining fast across the West (and perhaps elsewhere). I see evidence of this all the time, now
AI can’t happen fast enough
Perhaps, like @SeanT, you are blessed with a very high IQ. One can only hope unlike him, you have above average levels of modesty and humility.1 -
Is it about Welsh rugby, pineapple on pizza, Die Hard, the awesomeness of Max Verstappen or - horror! - that they think AV is shit?TheScreamingEagles said:
I have only seen polling for Brits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is this a uniquely British thing or effecting the whole of the West?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.0 -
A new front on the culture wars.ydoethur said:
Is it about Welsh rugby, pineapple on pizza, Die Hard, the awesomeness of Max Verstappen or - horror! - that they think AV is shit?TheScreamingEagles said:
I have only seen polling for Brits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is this a uniquely British thing or effecting the whole of the West?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.0 -
Is it about how 48% of brits couldnt beat a bus in an argument ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I have only seen polling for Brits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is this a uniquely British thing or effecting the whole of the West?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.1 -
Like Radiohead, Python?ydoethur said:
Is it about Welsh rugby, pineapple on pizza, Die Hard, the awesomeness of Max Verstappen or - horror! - that they think AV is shit?TheScreamingEagles said:
I have only seen polling for Brits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is this a uniquely British thing or effecting the whole of the West?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.0 -
The inflation rate has essentially nothing to do with Sunak of course, but it is the only one of five pledges that Sunak is on track for. 4 misses out of 5 is impressively hopeless given Sunak chose his own KPIsHYUFD said:Yet the facts show one of his key pledges is starting to be met. Inflation fell to 7.9% last month from 8.7%.
https://news.sky.com/story/inflation-falls-to-7-9-in-bigger-than-expected-drop-12922655
The CBI also expects the UK economy to grow by 0.4% in 2023, firming to 1.8% in 2024.
https://www.cbi.org.uk/media-centre/articles/uk-economy-set-to-grow-and-business-investment-to-rise-following-brush-with-recession-cbi-economic-forecast/
Bush Snr also left Clinton with a falling deficit by raising taxes, even if it partly cost him the election as some of his base went to Buchanan in the GOP primaries and Perot in the main 1992 Presidential election0 -
Ther are people out there who like Suella BravermanTheScreamingEagles said:
A new front on the culture wars.ydoethur said:
Is it about Welsh rugby, pineapple on pizza, Die Hard, the awesomeness of Max Verstappen or - horror! - that they think AV is shit?TheScreamingEagles said:
I have only seen polling for Brits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is this a uniquely British thing or effecting the whole of the West?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.
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One hint that the targets aren't going well is Sunak's pivot from talking about them at every opportunity to all this motorist's friend stuff.
Five months to go, what's his likely score?
Technical passes (but nothing to write home about) on the fiscal ones?
NHS queues unshortened?
Boats unstopped?2 -
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Mr Braverman, Mr and Mrs Fernandez, err....ydoethur said:
Ther are people out there who like Suella BravermanTheScreamingEagles said:
A new front on the culture wars.ydoethur said:
Is it about Welsh rugby, pineapple on pizza, Die Hard, the awesomeness of Max Verstappen or - horror! - that they think AV is shit?TheScreamingEagles said:
I have only seen polling for Brits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is this a uniquely British thing or effecting the whole of the West?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.0 -
Lap 17 for the sweepstake.0
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Surestodge said:
I would like to see some evidence of declining (or should it be falling) IQs.Leon said:
And really quite an alarming number of MPs, as wellFrancisUrquhart said:
And that includes massive portions of the media.....We saw it with debt vs deficit "debates" and COVID stats.Leon said:
That’s a brilliant bit of data. It is sublimely good evidence of a rather uncomfortable truth - 50% of people have an IQ below 100. By definition. Half of Britons are either quite dim or very dim - they think “halving inflation” = prices going DOWNTheScreamingEagles said:
But for most voters that doesn't count that as falling inflation.HYUFD said:Yet the facts show one of his key pledges is starting to be met. Inflation fell to 7.9% last month from 8.7%.
https://news.sky.com/story/inflation-falls-to-7-9-in-bigger-than-expected-drop-12922655
The CBI also expects the UK economy to grow by 0.4% in 2023, firming to 1.8% in 2024.
https://www.cbi.org.uk/media-centre/articles/uk-economy-set-to-grow-and-business-investment-to-rise-following-brush-with-recession-cbi-economic-forecast/
Bush Snr also left Clinton with a falling deficit by raising taxes, even if it partly cost him the election as some of his base went to Buchanan in the GOP primaries and Perot in the main 1992 Presidential election
When Rishi Sunak says he aims to halve inflation, British voters think he aims to get... (7 June)
Prices to decrease 47%
Prices to increase more slowly 42%
Don't know 11%
https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/06/11/deflating-rishi-sunak/
I do sometimes have my doubts about democracy when I remember this important fact. Half the country is thick
Worse, IQs are declining fast across the West (and perhaps elsewhere). I see evidence of this all the time, now
AI can’t happen fast enough
Perhaps, like @SeanT, you are blessed with a very high IQ. One can only hope unlike him, you have above average levels of modesty and humility.
https://thedebrief.org/new-study-reveals-sharp-decline-in-american-iq-scores-as-the-reverse-flynn-effect-takes-center-stage/
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/iq-rates-are-dropping-many-developed-countries-doesn-t-bode-ncna1008576
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/13/health/falling-iq-scores-study-intl/index.html
I mean, you coulda googled that in 1 minute for yourself, but I’ll just take your inability to do that as more evidence of declining IQ
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Woke is, I believe, one symptom of declining western IQ. A return to naive, quasi-religious credulity. People want to be told what to think, and they find contrary opinions uncomfortable instead of stimulating. And they simply dismiss troubling data as wrongthink, otherwise it would overwhelm themTheScreamingEagles said:
I have only seen polling for Brits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is this a uniquely British thing or effecting the whole of the West?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.
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You may like this thread.Leon said:
Woke is, I believe, one symptom of declining western IQ. A return to naive, quasi-religious credulity. People want to be told what to think, and they find contrary opinions uncomfortable instead of stimulating. And they simply dismiss troubling data as wrongthink, otherwise it would overwhelm themTheScreamingEagles said:
I have only seen polling for Brits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is this a uniquely British thing or effecting the whole of the West?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.0 -
Those dim or very dim Britons include the prime minister himself. This is his exact pledge:Leon said:
That’s a brilliant bit of data. It is sublimely good evidence of a rather uncomfortable truth - 50% of people have an IQ below 100. By definition. Half of Britons are either quite dim or very dim - they think “halving inflation” = prices going DOWNTheScreamingEagles said:
But for most voters that doesn't count that as falling inflation.HYUFD said:Yet the facts show one of his key pledges is starting to be met. Inflation fell to 7.9% last month from 8.7%.
https://news.sky.com/story/inflation-falls-to-7-9-in-bigger-than-expected-drop-12922655
The CBI also expects the UK economy to grow by 0.4% in 2023, firming to 1.8% in 2024.
https://www.cbi.org.uk/media-centre/articles/uk-economy-set-to-grow-and-business-investment-to-rise-following-brush-with-recession-cbi-economic-forecast/
Bush Snr also left Clinton with a falling deficit by raising taxes, even if it partly cost him the election as some of his base went to Buchanan in the GOP primaries and Perot in the main 1992 Presidential election
When Rishi Sunak says he aims to halve inflation, British voters think he aims to get... (7 June)
Prices to decrease 47%
Prices to increase more slowly 42%
Don't know 11%
https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/06/11/deflating-rishi-sunak/
I do sometimes have my doubts about democracy when I remember this important fact. Half the country is thick
We will halve inflation this year to ease the cost of living and give people financial security.4 -
More chance of CON winning the election than us getting a wicket!ydoethur said:Even Nelson doesn't bring a wicket
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52% were fooled into voting Leave, myself includedAlanbrooke said:
Is it about how 48% of brits couldnt beat a bus in an argument ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I have only seen polling for Brits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is this a uniquely British thing or effecting the whole of the West?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.
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It would make a good provocative Spectator or Telegraph pieceTheScreamingEagles said:
You may like this thread.Leon said:
Woke is, I believe, one symptom of declining western IQ. A return to naive, quasi-religious credulity. People want to be told what to think, and they find contrary opinions uncomfortable instead of stimulating. And they simply dismiss troubling data as wrongthink, otherwise it would overwhelm themTheScreamingEagles said:
I have only seen polling for Brits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is this a uniquely British thing or effecting the whole of the West?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.
ARE WOKE PEOPLE JUST STUPID?
That would get the clicks. And it’s not unknown for these vultures to steal ideas from us1 -
Is it clear that inflation is on track to halve in a year? When the pledge was made, the CPI inflation rate figure was 10.7%. Seven months later it is 7.9%. That rate of decrease isn't quite fast enough, and history suggests that the rate of decrease will more likely slow over the next five months.FF43 said:
The inflation rate has essentially nothing to do with Sunak of course, but it is the only one of five pledges that Sunak is on track for. 4 misses out of 5 is impressively hopeless given Sunak chose his own KPIsHYUFD said:Yet the facts show one of his key pledges is starting to be met. Inflation fell to 7.9% last month from 8.7%.
https://news.sky.com/story/inflation-falls-to-7-9-in-bigger-than-expected-drop-12922655
The CBI also expects the UK economy to grow by 0.4% in 2023, firming to 1.8% in 2024.
https://www.cbi.org.uk/media-centre/articles/uk-economy-set-to-grow-and-business-investment-to-rise-following-brush-with-recession-cbi-economic-forecast/
Bush Snr also left Clinton with a falling deficit by raising taxes, even if it partly cost him the election as some of his base went to Buchanan in the GOP primaries and Perot in the main 1992 Presidential election0 -
That's nonsense. The well educated tofu eating elitist liberal wokerati have higher IQs that your tattooed anti-woke heroes.Leon said:
Woke is, I believe, one symptom of declining western IQ. A return to naive, quasi-religious credulity. People want to be told what to think, and they find contrary opinions uncomfortable instead of stimulating. And they simply dismiss troubling data as wrongthink, otherwise it would overwhelm themTheScreamingEagles said:
I have only seen polling for Brits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is this a uniquely British thing or effecting the whole of the West?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.4 -
The fuel price spike from last year is about to drop out of the inflation numbers. Petrol and diesel are now 25% cheaper than a year ago.Chris said:
Is it clear that inflation is on track to halve in a year? When the pledge was made, the CPI inflation rate figure was 10.7%. Seven months later it is 7.9%. That rate of decrease isn't quite fast enough, and history suggests that the rate of decrease will more likely slow over the next five months.FF43 said:
The inflation rate has essentially nothing to do with Sunak of course, but it is the only one of five pledges that Sunak is on track for. 4 misses out of 5 is impressively hopeless given Sunak chose his own KPIsHYUFD said:Yet the facts show one of his key pledges is starting to be met. Inflation fell to 7.9% last month from 8.7%.
https://news.sky.com/story/inflation-falls-to-7-9-in-bigger-than-expected-drop-12922655
The CBI also expects the UK economy to grow by 0.4% in 2023, firming to 1.8% in 2024.
https://www.cbi.org.uk/media-centre/articles/uk-economy-set-to-grow-and-business-investment-to-rise-following-brush-with-recession-cbi-economic-forecast/
Bush Snr also left Clinton with a falling deficit by raising taxes, even if it partly cost him the election as some of his base went to Buchanan in the GOP primaries and Perot in the main 1992 Presidential election0 -
The Telegraph might well go for that, though any newspaper which employs Allister Heath probably ought to be a bit circumspect about calling others stupid.Leon said:
It would make a good provocative Spectator or Telegraph pieceTheScreamingEagles said:
You may like this thread.Leon said:
Woke is, I believe, one symptom of declining western IQ. A return to naive, quasi-religious credulity. People want to be told what to think, and they find contrary opinions uncomfortable instead of stimulating. And they simply dismiss troubling data as wrongthink, otherwise it would overwhelm themTheScreamingEagles said:
I have only seen polling for Brits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is this a uniquely British thing or effecting the whole of the West?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.
ARE WOKE PEOPLE JUST STUPID?
That would get the clicks. And it’s not unknown for these vultures to steal ideas from us1 -
Creeping up slightly now though. Diesel up to 135.9 from 132.9 at Costco (Best price)Sandpit said:
The fuel price spike from last year is about to drop out of the inflation numbers. Petrol and diesel are now 25% cheaper than a year ago.Chris said:
Is it clear that inflation is on track to halve in a year? When the pledge was made, the CPI inflation rate figure was 10.7%. Seven months later it is 7.9%. That rate of decrease isn't quite fast enough, and history suggests that the rate of decrease will more likely slow over the next five months.FF43 said:
The inflation rate has essentially nothing to do with Sunak of course, but it is the only one of five pledges that Sunak is on track for. 4 misses out of 5 is impressively hopeless given Sunak chose his own KPIsHYUFD said:Yet the facts show one of his key pledges is starting to be met. Inflation fell to 7.9% last month from 8.7%.
https://news.sky.com/story/inflation-falls-to-7-9-in-bigger-than-expected-drop-12922655
The CBI also expects the UK economy to grow by 0.4% in 2023, firming to 1.8% in 2024.
https://www.cbi.org.uk/media-centre/articles/uk-economy-set-to-grow-and-business-investment-to-rise-following-brush-with-recession-cbi-economic-forecast/
Bush Snr also left Clinton with a falling deficit by raising taxes, even if it partly cost him the election as some of his base went to Buchanan in the GOP primaries and Perot in the main 1992 Presidential election1 -
Nominal fallacy, as in calling people out as woke, isn't necessarily a sign of intelligence I suggest, even less that they should be arbiters of intelligence.Mexicanpete said:
That's nonsense. The well educated tofu eating elitist liberal wokerati have higher IQs that your tattooed anti-woke heroes.Leon said:
Woke is, I believe, one symptom of declining western IQ. A return to naive, quasi-religious credulity. People want to be told what to think, and they find contrary opinions uncomfortable instead of stimulating. And they simply dismiss troubling data as wrongthink, otherwise it would overwhelm themTheScreamingEagles said:
I have only seen polling for Brits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is this a uniquely British thing or effecting the whole of the West?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.0 -
In m y experience, trying to turn political and moral positions into a religion occurs across the political spectrum.El_Capitano said:
The Telegraph might well go for that, though any newspaper which employs Allister Heath probably ought to be a bit circumspect about calling others stupid.Leon said:
It would make a good provocative Spectator or Telegraph pieceTheScreamingEagles said:
You may like this thread.Leon said:
Woke is, I believe, one symptom of declining western IQ. A return to naive, quasi-religious credulity. People want to be told what to think, and they find contrary opinions uncomfortable instead of stimulating. And they simply dismiss troubling data as wrongthink, otherwise it would overwhelm themTheScreamingEagles said:
I have only seen polling for Brits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is this a uniquely British thing or effecting the whole of the West?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.
ARE WOKE PEOPLE JUST STUPID?
That would get the clicks. And it’s not unknown for these vultures to steal ideas from us
A friend once asked why I wasn’t a Pastafarian. I told him that within a century or 2, the Defenders Of Penne would be murdering the Advocates of Tagliatelle. And vs.1 -
Indeed it could be 5 misses out of 5 on criteria that Sunak chose to suit himself.Chris said:
Is it clear that inflation is on track to halve in a year? When the pledge was made, the CPI inflation rate figure was 10.7%. Seven months later it is 7.9%. That rate of decrease isn't quite fast enough, and history suggests that the rate of decrease will more likely slow over the next five months.FF43 said:
The inflation rate has essentially nothing to do with Sunak of course, but it is the only one of five pledges that Sunak is on track for. 4 misses out of 5 is impressively hopeless given Sunak chose his own KPIsHYUFD said:Yet the facts show one of his key pledges is starting to be met. Inflation fell to 7.9% last month from 8.7%.
https://news.sky.com/story/inflation-falls-to-7-9-in-bigger-than-expected-drop-12922655
The CBI also expects the UK economy to grow by 0.4% in 2023, firming to 1.8% in 2024.
https://www.cbi.org.uk/media-centre/articles/uk-economy-set-to-grow-and-business-investment-to-rise-following-brush-with-recession-cbi-economic-forecast/
Bush Snr also left Clinton with a falling deficit by raising taxes, even if it partly cost him the election as some of his base went to Buchanan in the GOP primaries and Perot in the main 1992 Presidential election0 -
And yet the Global Financial Crisis wasnt caused by blokes driving white vans but by people with Oxford degrees and Harvard MBAs, How do you explain that ?Mexicanpete said:
That's nonsense. The well educated tofu eating elitist liberal wokerati have higher IQs that your tattooed anti-woke heroes.Leon said:
Woke is, I believe, one symptom of declining western IQ. A return to naive, quasi-religious credulity. People want to be told what to think, and they find contrary opinions uncomfortable instead of stimulating. And they simply dismiss troubling data as wrongthink, otherwise it would overwhelm themTheScreamingEagles said:
I have only seen polling for Brits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is this a uniquely British thing or effecting the whole of the West?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.0 -
Inflation measured monthly over those 7 months is 3.9% so inflation of 1.5% over the next five months meets his target. Possible, but unlikely.Chris said:
Is it clear that inflation is on track to halve in a year? When the pledge was made, the CPI inflation rate figure was 10.7%. Seven months later it is 7.9%. That rate of decrease isn't quite fast enough, and history suggests that the rate of decrease will more likely slow over the next five months.FF43 said:
The inflation rate has essentially nothing to do with Sunak of course, but it is the only one of five pledges that Sunak is on track for. 4 misses out of 5 is impressively hopeless given Sunak chose his own KPIsHYUFD said:Yet the facts show one of his key pledges is starting to be met. Inflation fell to 7.9% last month from 8.7%.
https://news.sky.com/story/inflation-falls-to-7-9-in-bigger-than-expected-drop-12922655
The CBI also expects the UK economy to grow by 0.4% in 2023, firming to 1.8% in 2024.
https://www.cbi.org.uk/media-centre/articles/uk-economy-set-to-grow-and-business-investment-to-rise-following-brush-with-recession-cbi-economic-forecast/
Bush Snr also left Clinton with a falling deficit by raising taxes, even if it partly cost him the election as some of his base went to Buchanan in the GOP primaries and Perot in the main 1992 Presidential election
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices/bulletins/consumerpriceinflation/june2023#:~:text=On a monthly basis, CPIH,of 0.8% in June 2022.
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The Sunak list does seem a bit cackhanded. Which part of the electorate gives a toss whether there's economic growth according to statisticians, or what happens to the size of the national debt? Practically nobody. Or maybe graduate Liberal Democrat recycler "active members of the community" care about this kind of thing in about ten constituencies, plus totally out of touch academics in saddo cities like Cambridge and Oxford.
But there's universal suffrage nowadays. Gotta look good to the plebs. Gotta do that by appealing to emotions.
What's left is cut waiting lists, reduce inflation, and stop the boats.
Presumably they'll get experts to say in the media before the election that waiting lists have been cut, and they'll fiddle the figures over the preceding months so they can assert with straight faces that this is true. Of course it won't really be true. It will be a lie. Unfortunately I'm not sure that many in Britain have the confidence to say that Our Heroes who run the state health service (oh thank you, thank you) are a bunch of f***ing liars, though. On the other hand, whereas John Major might have got away with wrapping himself in the NHS flag, Sunak won't. So maybe a small pull away from the Tories here. But this is all less relevant than many think, because many in the population have given up hope. Nobody's ever won a British election on health.
Inflation? The published figures bear little reality to people's lives, and so do the changes in published figures, but I guess there's still some mileage in saying the CPI has gone down from 8.7% to 6.2% (or something to do with percent anyway, illustrated by an arrow) because most people don't think hey let's compare that with the fact that the packet of fruit slice biscuits I buy in Tesco's now has four packs of three in it when it used to have five packs of three, but the price is the same.
Stop the boats. <-- This is by far the most important. It tugs hard on emotional hooks for many people, people who haven't got much in their lives other than their white skins. This is how the Tories will win the election. They will stop the boats. And they will make sure they are perceived as having a big fight for a few months against a rainbow coalition of humanitarian types who are trying to stop them. Then they win that fight and romp across the finishing line.0 -
The peak was June-July lat year - about a year ago. Doesn't that mean the fall in fuel prices is about to start dropping out of the annualised inflation rate?Sandpit said:
The fuel price spike from last year is about to drop out of the inflation numbers. Petrol and diesel are now 25% cheaper than a year ago.Chris said:
Is it clear that inflation is on track to halve in a year? When the pledge was made, the CPI inflation rate figure was 10.7%. Seven months later it is 7.9%. That rate of decrease isn't quite fast enough, and history suggests that the rate of decrease will more likely slow over the next five months.FF43 said:
The inflation rate has essentially nothing to do with Sunak of course, but it is the only one of five pledges that Sunak is on track for. 4 misses out of 5 is impressively hopeless given Sunak chose his own KPIsHYUFD said:Yet the facts show one of his key pledges is starting to be met. Inflation fell to 7.9% last month from 8.7%.
https://news.sky.com/story/inflation-falls-to-7-9-in-bigger-than-expected-drop-12922655
The CBI also expects the UK economy to grow by 0.4% in 2023, firming to 1.8% in 2024.
https://www.cbi.org.uk/media-centre/articles/uk-economy-set-to-grow-and-business-investment-to-rise-following-brush-with-recession-cbi-economic-forecast/
Bush Snr also left Clinton with a falling deficit by raising taxes, even if it partly cost him the election as some of his base went to Buchanan in the GOP primaries and Perot in the main 1992 Presidential election0 -
BTW, the following is both worrying and hilarious.
A scientific study on honesty was found to use faked data:
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2023/07/francesca-gino-harvard-research-retraction/674630/
Part of a much larger problem, which is the reason why it's important for results to be replicated by other groups - something that can be fairly difficult in certain sciences.1 -
144.9 Ilford, A12 Eastern Avenue!Pulpstar said:
Creeping up slightly now though. Diesel up to 135.9 from 132.9 at Costco (Best price)Sandpit said:
The fuel price spike from last year is about to drop out of the inflation numbers. Petrol and diesel are now 25% cheaper than a year ago.Chris said:
Is it clear that inflation is on track to halve in a year? When the pledge was made, the CPI inflation rate figure was 10.7%. Seven months later it is 7.9%. That rate of decrease isn't quite fast enough, and history suggests that the rate of decrease will more likely slow over the next five months.FF43 said:
The inflation rate has essentially nothing to do with Sunak of course, but it is the only one of five pledges that Sunak is on track for. 4 misses out of 5 is impressively hopeless given Sunak chose his own KPIsHYUFD said:Yet the facts show one of his key pledges is starting to be met. Inflation fell to 7.9% last month from 8.7%.
https://news.sky.com/story/inflation-falls-to-7-9-in-bigger-than-expected-drop-12922655
The CBI also expects the UK economy to grow by 0.4% in 2023, firming to 1.8% in 2024.
https://www.cbi.org.uk/media-centre/articles/uk-economy-set-to-grow-and-business-investment-to-rise-following-brush-with-recession-cbi-economic-forecast/
Bush Snr also left Clinton with a falling deficit by raising taxes, even if it partly cost him the election as some of his base went to Buchanan in the GOP primaries and Perot in the main 1992 Presidential election0 -
Having a high IQ has never meant having integrity or empathy for other people.Alanbrooke said:
And yet the Global Financial Crisis wasnt caused by blokes driving white vans but by people with Oxford degrees and Harvard MBAs, How do you explain that ?Mexicanpete said:
That's nonsense. The well educated tofu eating elitist liberal wokerati have higher IQs that your tattooed anti-woke heroes.Leon said:
Woke is, I believe, one symptom of declining western IQ. A return to naive, quasi-religious credulity. People want to be told what to think, and they find contrary opinions uncomfortable instead of stimulating. And they simply dismiss troubling data as wrongthink, otherwise it would overwhelm themTheScreamingEagles said:
I have only seen polling for Brits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is this a uniquely British thing or effecting the whole of the West?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.3 -
That’s what happens when actual religion becomes less popular.Malmesbury said:
In m y experience, trying to turn political and moral positions into a religion occurs across the political spectrum.El_Capitano said:
The Telegraph might well go for that, though any newspaper which employs Allister Heath probably ought to be a bit circumspect about calling others stupid.Leon said:
It would make a good provocative Spectator or Telegraph pieceTheScreamingEagles said:
You may like this thread.Leon said:
Woke is, I believe, one symptom of declining western IQ. A return to naive, quasi-religious credulity. People want to be told what to think, and they find contrary opinions uncomfortable instead of stimulating. And they simply dismiss troubling data as wrongthink, otherwise it would overwhelm themTheScreamingEagles said:
I have only seen polling for Brits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is this a uniquely British thing or effecting the whole of the West?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.
ARE WOKE PEOPLE JUST STUPID?
That would get the clicks. And it’s not unknown for these vultures to steal ideas from us
A friend once asked why I wasn’t a Pastafarian. I told him that within a century or 2, the Defenders Of Penne would be murdering the Advocates of Tagliatelle. And vs.1 -
To achieve Premium Stupidity, great intelligence is required.Alanbrooke said:
And yet the Global Financial Crisis wasnt caused by blokes driving white vans but by people with Oxford degrees and Harvard MBAs, How do you explain that ?Mexicanpete said:
That's nonsense. The well educated tofu eating elitist liberal wokerati have higher IQs that your tattooed anti-woke heroes.Leon said:
Woke is, I believe, one symptom of declining western IQ. A return to naive, quasi-religious credulity. People want to be told what to think, and they find contrary opinions uncomfortable instead of stimulating. And they simply dismiss troubling data as wrongthink, otherwise it would overwhelm themTheScreamingEagles said:
I have only seen polling for Brits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is this a uniquely British thing or effecting the whole of the West?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.
LTCM, for example.2 -
Reducing debt is tricky when borrowing currently well over £100 billion per year(23/24)1
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IndeedFoxy said:
Having a high IQ has never meant having integrity or empathy for other people.Alanbrooke said:
And yet the Global Financial Crisis wasnt caused by blokes driving white vans but by people with Oxford degrees and Harvard MBAs, How do you explain that ?Mexicanpete said:
That's nonsense. The well educated tofu eating elitist liberal wokerati have higher IQs that your tattooed anti-woke heroes.Leon said:
Woke is, I believe, one symptom of declining western IQ. A return to naive, quasi-religious credulity. People want to be told what to think, and they find contrary opinions uncomfortable instead of stimulating. And they simply dismiss troubling data as wrongthink, otherwise it would overwhelm themTheScreamingEagles said:
I have only seen polling for Brits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is this a uniquely British thing or effecting the whole of the West?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.1 -
Those last two sentences sum up much of what appears in PB comments threads very well. And it's not just "data" that is dismissed or ignored, either.Leon said:
Woke is, I believe, one symptom of declining western IQ. A return to naive, quasi-religious credulity. People want to be told what to think, and they find contrary opinions uncomfortable instead of stimulating. And they simply dismiss troubling data as wrongthink, otherwise it would overwhelm themTheScreamingEagles said:
I have only seen polling for Brits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is this a uniquely British thing or effecting the whole of the West?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.
And the fact that every healthy baby can learn to read by the age of 15-18 months (and they love it) blows the f***ing concept of IQ completely out of the water. BANG! DEAD!
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It means that the headline inflation rate is about to drop precipitously.Chris said:
The peak was June-July lat year - about a year ago. Doesn't that mean the fall in fuel prices is about to start dropping out of the annualised inflation rate?Sandpit said:
The fuel price spike from last year is about to drop out of the inflation numbers. Petrol and diesel are now 25% cheaper than a year ago.Chris said:
Is it clear that inflation is on track to halve in a year? When the pledge was made, the CPI inflation rate figure was 10.7%. Seven months later it is 7.9%. That rate of decrease isn't quite fast enough, and history suggests that the rate of decrease will more likely slow over the next five months.FF43 said:
The inflation rate has essentially nothing to do with Sunak of course, but it is the only one of five pledges that Sunak is on track for. 4 misses out of 5 is impressively hopeless given Sunak chose his own KPIsHYUFD said:Yet the facts show one of his key pledges is starting to be met. Inflation fell to 7.9% last month from 8.7%.
https://news.sky.com/story/inflation-falls-to-7-9-in-bigger-than-expected-drop-12922655
The CBI also expects the UK economy to grow by 0.4% in 2023, firming to 1.8% in 2024.
https://www.cbi.org.uk/media-centre/articles/uk-economy-set-to-grow-and-business-investment-to-rise-following-brush-with-recession-cbi-economic-forecast/
Bush Snr also left Clinton with a falling deficit by raising taxes, even if it partly cost him the election as some of his base went to Buchanan in the GOP primaries and Perot in the main 1992 Presidential election1 -
I doubt it, the most woke tend to be arts and humanities and politics and sociology graduates and even then more some form of cultural studies or creative arts than Medieval or Renaissance historians.Mexicanpete said:
That's nonsense. The well educated tofu eating elitist liberal wokerati have higher IQs that your tattooed anti-woke heroes.Leon said:
Woke is, I believe, one symptom of declining western IQ. A return to naive, quasi-religious credulity. People want to be told what to think, and they find contrary opinions uncomfortable instead of stimulating. And they simply dismiss troubling data as wrongthink, otherwise it would overwhelm themTheScreamingEagles said:
I have only seen polling for Brits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is this a uniquely British thing or effecting the whole of the West?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.
STEM graduates are generally not any more woke than the average member of the population and they tend to have the highest IQs.2 -
They thought that the pattern they detected was eternal and universal. It was in fact specific to a time and place and based on underlying assumptions. When those assumptions changed, their predictions failed and they could not cope.Alanbrooke said:
And yet the Global Financial Crisis wasnt caused by blokes driving white vans but by people with Oxford degrees and Harvard MBAs, How do you explain that ?Mexicanpete said:
That's nonsense. The well educated tofu eating elitist liberal wokerati have higher IQs that your tattooed anti-woke heroes.Leon said:
Woke is, I believe, one symptom of declining western IQ. A return to naive, quasi-religious credulity. People want to be told what to think, and they find contrary opinions uncomfortable instead of stimulating. And they simply dismiss troubling data as wrongthink, otherwise it would overwhelm themTheScreamingEagles said:
I have only seen polling for Brits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is this a uniquely British thing or effecting the whole of the West?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.
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That door swings both ways.Leon said:
Woke is, I believe, one symptom of declining western IQ. A return to naive, quasi-religious credulity. People want to be told what to think, and they find contrary opinions uncomfortable instead of stimulating. And they simply dismiss troubling data as wrongthink, otherwise it would overwhelm themTheScreamingEagles said:
I have only seen polling for Brits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is this a uniquely British thing or effecting the whole of the West?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.
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Think about it, though. The current annualised rate is comparing prices now to prices a year ago. So it includes a hefty negative contribution owing to the 25% decrease in fuel prices that you're talking about. The decrease over the last 6 months is only about 5% or so. Even to maintain the current negative contribution, fuel prices would need to drop by more than 20% over the next 6 months.Sandpit said:
It means that the headline inflation rate is about to drop precipitously.Chris said:
The peak was June-July lat year - about a year ago. Doesn't that mean the fall in fuel prices is about to start dropping out of the annualised inflation rate?Sandpit said:
The fuel price spike from last year is about to drop out of the inflation numbers. Petrol and diesel are now 25% cheaper than a year ago.Chris said:
Is it clear that inflation is on track to halve in a year? When the pledge was made, the CPI inflation rate figure was 10.7%. Seven months later it is 7.9%. That rate of decrease isn't quite fast enough, and history suggests that the rate of decrease will more likely slow over the next five months.FF43 said:
The inflation rate has essentially nothing to do with Sunak of course, but it is the only one of five pledges that Sunak is on track for. 4 misses out of 5 is impressively hopeless given Sunak chose his own KPIsHYUFD said:Yet the facts show one of his key pledges is starting to be met. Inflation fell to 7.9% last month from 8.7%.
https://news.sky.com/story/inflation-falls-to-7-9-in-bigger-than-expected-drop-12922655
The CBI also expects the UK economy to grow by 0.4% in 2023, firming to 1.8% in 2024.
https://www.cbi.org.uk/media-centre/articles/uk-economy-set-to-grow-and-business-investment-to-rise-following-brush-with-recession-cbi-economic-forecast/
Bush Snr also left Clinton with a falling deficit by raising taxes, even if it partly cost him the election as some of his base went to Buchanan in the GOP primaries and Perot in the main 1992 Presidential election0 -
You have no idea how happy that just made me...HYUFD said:
I doubt it, the most woke tend to be arts and humanities and politics and sociology graduates and even then more some form of cultural studies or creative arts than Medieval or Renaissance historians.Mexicanpete said:
That's nonsense. The well educated tofu eating elitist liberal wokerati have higher IQs that your tattooed anti-woke heroes.Leon said:
Woke is, I believe, one symptom of declining western IQ. A return to naive, quasi-religious credulity. People want to be told what to think, and they find contrary opinions uncomfortable instead of stimulating. And they simply dismiss troubling data as wrongthink, otherwise it would overwhelm themTheScreamingEagles said:
I have only seen polling for Brits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is this a uniquely British thing or effecting the whole of the West?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.
STEM graduates are generally not any more woke than the average member of the population and they tend to have the highest IQs.
[basks in smugness]1 -
What world do you inhabit? It certainly isn't on planet earth.HYUFD said:
I doubt it, the most woke tend to be arts and humanities and politics and sociology graduates and even then more some form of cultural studies or creative arts than Medieval or Renaissance historians.Mexicanpete said:
That's nonsense. The well educated tofu eating elitist liberal wokerati have higher IQs that your tattooed anti-woke heroes.Leon said:
Woke is, I believe, one symptom of declining western IQ. A return to naive, quasi-religious credulity. People want to be told what to think, and they find contrary opinions uncomfortable instead of stimulating. And they simply dismiss troubling data as wrongthink, otherwise it would overwhelm themTheScreamingEagles said:
I have only seen polling for Brits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is this a uniquely British thing or effecting the whole of the West?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.
STEM graduates are generally not any more woke than the average member of the population and they tend to have the highest IQs.0 -
Of course there is former Democratic presidential candidate Adlai Stevenson's famous quip to a supporter in the 1950s.Leon said:
That’s a brilliant bit of data. It is sublimely good evidence of a rather uncomfortable truth - 50% of people have an IQ below 100. By definition. Half of Britons are either quite dim or very dim - they think “halving inflation” = prices going DOWNTheScreamingEagles said:
But for most voters that doesn't count that as falling inflation.HYUFD said:Yet the facts show one of his key pledges is starting to be met. Inflation fell to 7.9% last month from 8.7%.
https://news.sky.com/story/inflation-falls-to-7-9-in-bigger-than-expected-drop-12922655
The CBI also expects the UK economy to grow by 0.4% in 2023, firming to 1.8% in 2024.
https://www.cbi.org.uk/media-centre/articles/uk-economy-set-to-grow-and-business-investment-to-rise-following-brush-with-recession-cbi-economic-forecast/
Bush Snr also left Clinton with a falling deficit by raising taxes, even if it partly cost him the election as some of his base went to Buchanan in the GOP primaries and Perot in the main 1992 Presidential election
When Rishi Sunak says he aims to halve inflation, British voters think he aims to get... (7 June)
Prices to decrease 47%
Prices to increase more slowly 42%
Don't know 11%
https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/06/11/deflating-rishi-sunak/
I do sometimes have my doubts about democracy when I remember this important fact. Half the country is thick
The supporter told him “Every thinking person in America will be voting for you!”
“I’m afraid that won’t do,” Stevenson retorted. “I need a majority.”5 -
Indeed. A lot of the senior Nazis were genuinely smartFoxy said:
Having a high IQ has never meant having integrity or empathy for other people.Alanbrooke said:
And yet the Global Financial Crisis wasnt caused by blokes driving white vans but by people with Oxford degrees and Harvard MBAs, How do you explain that ?Mexicanpete said:
That's nonsense. The well educated tofu eating elitist liberal wokerati have higher IQs that your tattooed anti-woke heroes.Leon said:
Woke is, I believe, one symptom of declining western IQ. A return to naive, quasi-religious credulity. People want to be told what to think, and they find contrary opinions uncomfortable instead of stimulating. And they simply dismiss troubling data as wrongthink, otherwise it would overwhelm themTheScreamingEagles said:
I have only seen polling for Brits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is this a uniquely British thing or effecting the whole of the West?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.0 -
Smart people will generally get into positions of power. So most good or bad things that happen in life are going to be the fault of smart people.0
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Given how many scientists and medics are worried about climate change and the inequality caused by "Conservative" Party policies, HYUFD's analysis is decidedly off kilter.Mexicanpete said:
What world do you inhabit? It certainly isn't on planet earth.HYUFD said:
I doubt it, the most woke tend to be arts and humanities and politics and sociology graduates and even then more some form of cultural studies or creative arts than Medieval or Renaissance historians.Mexicanpete said:
That's nonsense. The well educated tofu eating elitist liberal wokerati have higher IQs that your tattooed anti-woke heroes.Leon said:
Woke is, I believe, one symptom of declining western IQ. A return to naive, quasi-religious credulity. People want to be told what to think, and they find contrary opinions uncomfortable instead of stimulating. And they simply dismiss troubling data as wrongthink, otherwise it would overwhelm themTheScreamingEagles said:
I have only seen polling for Brits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is this a uniquely British thing or effecting the whole of the West?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.
STEM graduates are generally not any more woke than the average member of the population and they tend to have the highest IQs.2 -
We are back to the Farage formula again. I am having a personal banking crisis+ I am anti-woke= banks are woke.Alanbrooke said:
And yet the Global Financial Crisis wasnt caused by blokes driving white vans but by people with Oxford degrees and Harvard MBAs, How do you explain that ?Mexicanpete said:
That's nonsense. The well educated tofu eating elitist liberal wokerati have higher IQs that your tattooed anti-woke heroes.Leon said:
Woke is, I believe, one symptom of declining western IQ. A return to naive, quasi-religious credulity. People want to be told what to think, and they find contrary opinions uncomfortable instead of stimulating. And they simply dismiss troubling data as wrongthink, otherwise it would overwhelm themTheScreamingEagles said:
I have only seen polling for Brits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is this a uniquely British thing or effecting the whole of the West?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.
A bit stereotypical of you assuming white van man is a tattooed anti-woke hero.0 -
And how many arts (and classics) graduates working as journalists are banging on about the menace of wokeness.Carnyx said:
Given how many scientists and medics are worried about climate change and the inequality caused by "Conservative" Party policies, HYUFD's analysis is decidedly off kilter.Mexicanpete said:
What world do you inhabit? It certainly isn't on planet earth.HYUFD said:
I doubt it, the most woke tend to be arts and humanities and politics and sociology graduates and even then more some form of cultural studies or creative arts than Medieval or Renaissance historians.Mexicanpete said:
That's nonsense. The well educated tofu eating elitist liberal wokerati have higher IQs that your tattooed anti-woke heroes.Leon said:
Woke is, I believe, one symptom of declining western IQ. A return to naive, quasi-religious credulity. People want to be told what to think, and they find contrary opinions uncomfortable instead of stimulating. And they simply dismiss troubling data as wrongthink, otherwise it would overwhelm themTheScreamingEagles said:
I have only seen polling for Brits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is this a uniquely British thing or effecting the whole of the West?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.
STEM graduates are generally not any more woke than the average member of the population and they tend to have the highest IQs.0 -
Concern about climate change isn't particularly Woke, even Thatcher and John McCain warned about it and neither were exactly WokeCarnyx said:
Given how many scientists and medics are worried about climate change and the inequality caused by "Conservative" Party policies, HYUFD's analysis is decidedly off kilter.Mexicanpete said:
What world do you inhabit? It certainly isn't on planet earth.HYUFD said:
I doubt it, the most woke tend to be arts and humanities and politics and sociology graduates and even then more some form of cultural studies or creative arts than Medieval or Renaissance historians.Mexicanpete said:
That's nonsense. The well educated tofu eating elitist liberal wokerati have higher IQs that your tattooed anti-woke heroes.Leon said:
Woke is, I believe, one symptom of declining western IQ. A return to naive, quasi-religious credulity. People want to be told what to think, and they find contrary opinions uncomfortable instead of stimulating. And they simply dismiss troubling data as wrongthink, otherwise it would overwhelm themTheScreamingEagles said:
I have only seen polling for Brits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is this a uniquely British thing or effecting the whole of the West?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.
STEM graduates are generally not any more woke than the average member of the population and they tend to have the highest IQs.1 -
I don't believe you responded to my objection to this argument the last time you made it. Every healthy child is able to run, but that doesn't mean that every child has the same athletic ability.Peck said:
Those last two sentences sum up much of what appears in PB comments threads very well. And it's not just "data" that is dismissed or ignored, either.Leon said:
Woke is, I believe, one symptom of declining western IQ. A return to naive, quasi-religious credulity. People want to be told what to think, and they find contrary opinions uncomfortable instead of stimulating. And they simply dismiss troubling data as wrongthink, otherwise it would overwhelm themTheScreamingEagles said:
I have only seen polling for Brits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is this a uniquely British thing or effecting the whole of the West?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.
And the fact that every healthy baby can learn to read by the age of 15-18 months (and they love it) blows the f***ing concept of IQ completely out of the water. BANG! DEAD!1 -
It’s the age old salt of the earth fallacy. Politicians have indulged in it since time immemorial.Mexicanpete said:
We are back to the Farage formula again. I am having a personal banking crisis+ I am anti-woke= banks are woke.Alanbrooke said:
And yet the Global Financial Crisis wasnt caused by blokes driving white vans but by people with Oxford degrees and Harvard MBAs, How do you explain that ?Mexicanpete said:
That's nonsense. The well educated tofu eating elitist liberal wokerati have higher IQs that your tattooed anti-woke heroes.Leon said:
Woke is, I believe, one symptom of declining western IQ. A return to naive, quasi-religious credulity. People want to be told what to think, and they find contrary opinions uncomfortable instead of stimulating. And they simply dismiss troubling data as wrongthink, otherwise it would overwhelm themTheScreamingEagles said:
I have only seen polling for Brits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is this a uniquely British thing or effecting the whole of the West?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.
A bit stereotypical of you assuming white van man is a tattooed anti-woke hero.0 -
Tories: Vote for us! You might inherit a stairwell in Twickenham without paying IHT!
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jul/30/step-to-riches-disused-stairwell-in-london-could-be-yours-for-just-200000 -
I’m afraid that’s the direction politics is now taking us, courtesy as always of our American friends.HYUFD said:
Concern about climate change isn't particularly woke, even Thatcher and John McCain warned about it and neither were exactly WokeCarnyx said:
Given how many scientists and medics are worried about climate change and the inequality caused by "Conservative" Party policies, HYUFD's analysis is decidedly off kilter.Mexicanpete said:
What world do you inhabit? It certainly isn't on planet earth.HYUFD said:
I doubt it, the most woke tend to be arts and humanities and politics and sociology graduates and even then more some form of cultural studies or creative arts than Medieval or Renaissance historians.Mexicanpete said:
That's nonsense. The well educated tofu eating elitist liberal wokerati have higher IQs that your tattooed anti-woke heroes.Leon said:
Woke is, I believe, one symptom of declining western IQ. A return to naive, quasi-religious credulity. People want to be told what to think, and they find contrary opinions uncomfortable instead of stimulating. And they simply dismiss troubling data as wrongthink, otherwise it would overwhelm themTheScreamingEagles said:
I have only seen polling for Brits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is this a uniquely British thing or effecting the whole of the West?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.
STEM graduates are generally not any more woke than the average member of the population and they tend to have the highest IQs.0 -
Climate change - only briefly. The ozone layer, for which she does deserve credit, is a different matter altogether.HYUFD said:
Concern about climate change isn't particularly woke, even Thatcher and John McCain warned about it and neither were exactly WokeCarnyx said:
Given how many scientists and medics are worried about climate change and the inequality caused by "Conservative" Party policies, HYUFD's analysis is decidedly off kilter.Mexicanpete said:
What world do you inhabit? It certainly isn't on planet earth.HYUFD said:
I doubt it, the most woke tend to be arts and humanities and politics and sociology graduates and even then more some form of cultural studies or creative arts than Medieval or Renaissance historians.Mexicanpete said:
That's nonsense. The well educated tofu eating elitist liberal wokerati have higher IQs that your tattooed anti-woke heroes.Leon said:
Woke is, I believe, one symptom of declining western IQ. A return to naive, quasi-religious credulity. People want to be told what to think, and they find contrary opinions uncomfortable instead of stimulating. And they simply dismiss troubling data as wrongthink, otherwise it would overwhelm themTheScreamingEagles said:
I have only seen polling for Brits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is this a uniquely British thing or effecting the whole of the West?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.
STEM graduates are generally not any more woke than the average member of the population and they tend to have the highest IQs.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/blog/2013/apr/09/margaret-thatcher-green-hero
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That’s a great quip. Surely apocryphal. Still greatHYUFD said:
Of course there is former Democratic presidential candidate Adlai Stevenson's famous quip to a supporter in the 1950s.Leon said:
That’s a brilliant bit of data. It is sublimely good evidence of a rather uncomfortable truth - 50% of people have an IQ below 100. By definition. Half of Britons are either quite dim or very dim - they think “halving inflation” = prices going DOWNTheScreamingEagles said:
But for most voters that doesn't count that as falling inflation.HYUFD said:Yet the facts show one of his key pledges is starting to be met. Inflation fell to 7.9% last month from 8.7%.
https://news.sky.com/story/inflation-falls-to-7-9-in-bigger-than-expected-drop-12922655
The CBI also expects the UK economy to grow by 0.4% in 2023, firming to 1.8% in 2024.
https://www.cbi.org.uk/media-centre/articles/uk-economy-set-to-grow-and-business-investment-to-rise-following-brush-with-recession-cbi-economic-forecast/
Bush Snr also left Clinton with a falling deficit by raising taxes, even if it partly cost him the election as some of his base went to Buchanan in the GOP primaries and Perot in the main 1992 Presidential election
When Rishi Sunak says he aims to halve inflation, British voters think he aims to get... (7 June)
Prices to decrease 47%
Prices to increase more slowly 42%
Don't know 11%
https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/06/11/deflating-rishi-sunak/
I do sometimes have my doubts about democracy when I remember this important fact. Half the country is thick
The supporter told him “Every thinking person in America will be voting for you!”
“I’m afraid that won’t do,” Stevenson retorted. “I need a majority.”1 -
I think HYUFD's analysis would regard an Oxford Greats second class degree as quite different from a First in PPE at, say, Manchester.TimS said:
And how many arts (and classics) graduates working as journalists are banging on about the menace of wokeness.Carnyx said:
Given how many scientists and medics are worried about climate change and the inequality caused by "Conservative" Party policies, HYUFD's analysis is decidedly off kilter.Mexicanpete said:
What world do you inhabit? It certainly isn't on planet earth.HYUFD said:
I doubt it, the most woke tend to be arts and humanities and politics and sociology graduates and even then more some form of cultural studies or creative arts than Medieval or Renaissance historians.Mexicanpete said:
That's nonsense. The well educated tofu eating elitist liberal wokerati have higher IQs that your tattooed anti-woke heroes.Leon said:
Woke is, I believe, one symptom of declining western IQ. A return to naive, quasi-religious credulity. People want to be told what to think, and they find contrary opinions uncomfortable instead of stimulating. And they simply dismiss troubling data as wrongthink, otherwise it would overwhelm themTheScreamingEagles said:
I have only seen polling for Brits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is this a uniquely British thing or effecting the whole of the West?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.
STEM graduates are generally not any more woke than the average member of the population and they tend to have the highest IQs.0 -
It looks like @HYUFD inhabits Planet RealityMexicanpete said:
What world do you inhabit? It certainly isn't on planet earth.HYUFD said:
I doubt it, the most woke tend to be arts and humanities and politics and sociology graduates and even then more some form of cultural studies or creative arts than Medieval or Renaissance historians.Mexicanpete said:
That's nonsense. The well educated tofu eating elitist liberal wokerati have higher IQs that your tattooed anti-woke heroes.Leon said:
Woke is, I believe, one symptom of declining western IQ. A return to naive, quasi-religious credulity. People want to be told what to think, and they find contrary opinions uncomfortable instead of stimulating. And they simply dismiss troubling data as wrongthink, otherwise it would overwhelm themTheScreamingEagles said:
I have only seen polling for Brits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is this a uniquely British thing or effecting the whole of the West?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.
STEM graduates are generally not any more woke than the average member of the population and they tend to have the highest IQs.
“Since 1946, five major exams that quantify intelligence (including ACT, SAT, and GRE) have shown a steady pattern in which students who choose majors in science, technology, engineering, and mathematics are generally more intelligent.”
https://bigthink.com/technology-innovation/your-college-major-indicates-your-intelligence/2 -
The SD for example.Leon said:
Indeed. A lot of the senior Nazis were genuinely smartFoxy said:
Having a high IQ has never meant having integrity or empathy for other people.Alanbrooke said:
And yet the Global Financial Crisis wasnt caused by blokes driving white vans but by people with Oxford degrees and Harvard MBAs, How do you explain that ?Mexicanpete said:
That's nonsense. The well educated tofu eating elitist liberal wokerati have higher IQs that your tattooed anti-woke heroes.Leon said:
Woke is, I believe, one symptom of declining western IQ. A return to naive, quasi-religious credulity. People want to be told what to think, and they find contrary opinions uncomfortable instead of stimulating. And they simply dismiss troubling data as wrongthink, otherwise it would overwhelm themTheScreamingEagles said:
I have only seen polling for Brits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is this a uniquely British thing or effecting the whole of the West?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.
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On the other hand, do any of those measure IQ? He was talking about IQ.Leon said:
It looks like @HYUFD inhabits Planet RealityMexicanpete said:
What world do you inhabit? It certainly isn't on planet earth.HYUFD said:
I doubt it, the most woke tend to be arts and humanities and politics and sociology graduates and even then more some form of cultural studies or creative arts than Medieval or Renaissance historians.Mexicanpete said:
That's nonsense. The well educated tofu eating elitist liberal wokerati have higher IQs that your tattooed anti-woke heroes.Leon said:
Woke is, I believe, one symptom of declining western IQ. A return to naive, quasi-religious credulity. People want to be told what to think, and they find contrary opinions uncomfortable instead of stimulating. And they simply dismiss troubling data as wrongthink, otherwise it would overwhelm themTheScreamingEagles said:
I have only seen polling for Brits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is this a uniquely British thing or effecting the whole of the West?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.
STEM graduates are generally not any more woke than the average member of the population and they tend to have the highest IQs.
“Since 1946, five major exams that quantify intelligence (including ACT, SAT, and GRE) have shown a steady pattern in which students who choose majors in science, technology, engineering, and mathematics are generally more intelligent.”
https://bigthink.com/technology-innovation/your-college-major-indicates-your-intelligence/
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So you dont actually have an explanation.Mexicanpete said:
We are back to the Farage formula again. I am having a personal banking crisis+ I am anti-woke= banks are woke.Alanbrooke said:
And yet the Global Financial Crisis wasnt caused by blokes driving white vans but by people with Oxford degrees and Harvard MBAs, How do you explain that ?Mexicanpete said:
That's nonsense. The well educated tofu eating elitist liberal wokerati have higher IQs that your tattooed anti-woke heroes.Leon said:
Woke is, I believe, one symptom of declining western IQ. A return to naive, quasi-religious credulity. People want to be told what to think, and they find contrary opinions uncomfortable instead of stimulating. And they simply dismiss troubling data as wrongthink, otherwise it would overwhelm themTheScreamingEagles said:
I have only seen polling for Brits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is this a uniquely British thing or effecting the whole of the West?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.
A bit stereotypical of you assuming white van man is a tattooed anti-woke hero.
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SATs are very definitely based on classic IQ tests. It’s one reason they are newly controversial in the USACarnyx said:
On the other hand, do any of those measure IQ? He was talking about IQ.Leon said:
It looks like @HYUFD inhabits Planet RealityMexicanpete said:
What world do you inhabit? It certainly isn't on planet earth.HYUFD said:
I doubt it, the most woke tend to be arts and humanities and politics and sociology graduates and even then more some form of cultural studies or creative arts than Medieval or Renaissance historians.Mexicanpete said:
That's nonsense. The well educated tofu eating elitist liberal wokerati have higher IQs that your tattooed anti-woke heroes.Leon said:
Woke is, I believe, one symptom of declining western IQ. A return to naive, quasi-religious credulity. People want to be told what to think, and they find contrary opinions uncomfortable instead of stimulating. And they simply dismiss troubling data as wrongthink, otherwise it would overwhelm themTheScreamingEagles said:
I have only seen polling for Brits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is this a uniquely British thing or effecting the whole of the West?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.
STEM graduates are generally not any more woke than the average member of the population and they tend to have the highest IQs.
“Since 1946, five major exams that quantify intelligence (including ACT, SAT, and GRE) have shown a steady pattern in which students who choose majors in science, technology, engineering, and mathematics are generally more intelligent.”
https://bigthink.com/technology-innovation/your-college-major-indicates-your-intelligence/1 -
This Ukrainian hotel continues to fascinate. There is now an influx of wealthy-looking, English-speaking Italians. All male
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I suspect they are not “on holiday”. So: what are they here for?1 -
Intelligence is no measure of being wise. It merely means you are able to deploy more sophisticated arguments.Leon said:
Indeed. A lot of the senior Nazis were genuinely smartFoxy said:
Having a high IQ has never meant having integrity or empathy for other people.Alanbrooke said:
And yet the Global Financial Crisis wasnt caused by blokes driving white vans but by people with Oxford degrees and Harvard MBAs, How do you explain that ?Mexicanpete said:
That's nonsense. The well educated tofu eating elitist liberal wokerati have higher IQs that your tattooed anti-woke heroes.Leon said:
Woke is, I believe, one symptom of declining western IQ. A return to naive, quasi-religious credulity. People want to be told what to think, and they find contrary opinions uncomfortable instead of stimulating. And they simply dismiss troubling data as wrongthink, otherwise it would overwhelm themTheScreamingEagles said:
I have only seen polling for Brits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is this a uniquely British thing or effecting the whole of the West?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the new hill I am going to die on.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't get like that, I am sure it will be fine.TheScreamingEagles said:I do have a thread coming up at 7pm showing just how thick some Brits are.
It is actually quite worrying reflection on Brits.
A lot of very intelligent people in Sweden advocated eugenics in the 1930s on the basis it was 'progressive', as well.
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