It's reported on the Vote UK boards that David Herdson, now of the Yorkshire Party and present at the Selby and Ainsty count, is calling it for Labour.
It's reported on the Vote UK boards that David Herdson, now of the Yorkshire Party and present at the Selby and Ainsty count, is calling it for Labour.
Quite a good selection of seats. Trad LD Con battleground seat, outer London and semi rural north Yorkshire.
Just a pity we don't have 6 with Rutherglen, Mid Beds, Tamworth.
And we never got Leicester West either, which looked a prospect for awhile. Personally I think any conviction should be satisfactory for a recall petition.
When the Tamworth by-election eventually comes around, might it be followed by one in Walsall North?
It's reported on the Vote UK boards that David Herdson, now of the Yorkshire Party and present at the Selby and Ainsty count, is calling it for Labour.
It's reported on the Vote UK boards that David Herdson, now of the Yorkshire Party and present at the Selby and Ainsty count, is calling it for Labour.
It's reported on the Vote UK boards that David Herdson, now of the Yorkshire Party and present at the Selby and Ainsty count, is calling it for Labour.
It's reported on the Vote UK boards that David Herdson, now of the Yorkshire Party and present at the Selby and Ainsty count, is calling it for Labour.
LDs look to have romped home in Somerton, Labour say they have won Selby by a few thousand it looks like too
If only that Boris bloke, beloved of his party base and constituency, had trusted his local voters and stood in a recall by-election (if one even succeeded), rather than run away in a fit of pique, maybe it would have been a comfortable Tory win?
"Ladies and gents, you'er all in for a rare treat here at the Old King Chuck: the classic, old-school comedy of that hilarious music-hall duo of yesteryear - Selby and Ainsty!"
LDs look to have romped home in Somerton, Labour say they have won Selby by a few thousand it looks like too
Hey, HYUFD, don't worry! Me and my squad of ultimate Labour Fans will protect you! Check it out! Independently targeting particle beam phalanx. Vwap! Fry half a parliamentary constituency with this puppy! We got tactical smart missiles, phased plasma pulse rifles, RPGs, we got sonic electronic ball breakers! We got nukes, we got posters, dodgy bar charts...
LDs look to have romped home in Somerton, Labour say they have won Selby by a few thousand it looks like too
If only that Boris bloke, beloved of his party base and constituency, had trusted his local voters and stood in a recall by-election (if one even succeeded), rather than run away in a fit of pique, maybe it would have been a comfortable Tory win?
Good turnout though.
If the Tories hold Uxbridge but lose Selby and Somerton then Boris will kick himself for not fighting the recall by election
"Ladies and gents, you'er all in for a rare treat here at the Old King Chuck: the classic, old-school comedy of that hilarious music-hall duo of yesteryear - Selby and Ainsty!"
"A song, a dance, and a bit with a dog. With their lovely assistant Betty, they bring you the wonders of the far desert. Pleeze put your hands together and welcome your own, your very own, Selby, Ainsty and Betty"
LDs look to have romped home in Somerton, Labour say they have won Selby by a few thousand it looks like too
If only that Boris bloke, beloved of his party base and constituency, had trusted his local voters and stood in a recall by-election (if one even succeeded), rather than run away in a fit of pique, maybe it would have been a comfortable Tory win?
Good turnout though.
If the Tories hold Uxbridge but lose Selby and Somerton then Boris will kick himself for not fighting the recall by election
"For highly-discerning, demanding high-achievers, who don't mind working up a sweat, provided they can freshen and refresh, everywhere in every way - thanks to the herbal botanicals (and visa versa) obtainable only from Somerset's finest purveyors of high-priced unguents: Somerton and Frome.
LDs look to have romped home in Somerton, Labour say they have won Selby by a few thousand it looks like too
If only that Boris bloke, beloved of his party base and constituency, had trusted his local voters and stood in a recall by-election (if one even succeeded), rather than run away in a fit of pique, maybe it would have been a comfortable Tory win?
Good turnout though.
If the Tories hold Uxbridge but lose Selby and Somerton then Boris will kick himself for not fighting the recall by election
Maybe kicking Boris out has given the Tories a better chance in Uxbridge. Negative incumbency because the voters of Uxbridge know what a lying liability he is.
LDs look to have romped home in Somerton, Labour say they have won Selby by a few thousand it looks like too
If only that Boris bloke, beloved of his party base and constituency, had trusted his local voters and stood in a recall by-election (if one even succeeded), rather than run away in a fit of pique, maybe it would have been a comfortable Tory win?
Good turnout though.
If the Tories hold Uxbridge but lose Selby and Somerton then Boris will kick himself for not fighting the recall by election
LDs look to have romped home in Somerton, Labour say they have won Selby by a few thousand it looks like too
If only that Boris bloke, beloved of his party base and constituency, had trusted his local voters and stood in a recall by-election (if one even succeeded), rather than run away in a fit of pique, maybe it would have been a comfortable Tory win?
Good turnout though.
If the Tories hold Uxbridge but lose Selby and Somerton then Boris will kick himself for not fighting the recall by election
It might embolden him to stand in Bedford.
No ULEZ issue and it would go Labour on the likely Selby swing now forecast. Plus CCHQ may not allow him to be a candidate
Is that the new cry of the Martians in the War of the Worlds sequel?
No that was "ulla". You may be mistaking it for the cries in Rad Bradbury's The martian Chronicles. Which was also "ulla". Oh. Or possibly the Martians in Alan Moore's "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen". Which was also also "ulla". Oh fuck.
I was merely speculating whether the Martians mixed it up a bit in Stephen Baxter's 'The Massacre of Mankind', which I own but have not got around to reading. Apparently he also did a sequel to The Time Machine.
@kle4. It's late-period Baxter. I used to make a point of buying everything he wrote, but he's really gone off in later years, especially with the Xeelee temporal reboot. His standalones/duology+collections are still good (eg "Galaxias"), but these days it comes from library, not from the shop. I got about half-way thru TMoM and gaveup.
"Ladies and gents, you'er all in for a rare treat here at the Old King Chuck: the classic, old-school comedy of that hilarious music-hall duo of yesteryear - Selby and Ainsty!"
"A song, a dance, and a bit with a dog. With their lovely assistant Betty, they bring you the wonders of the far desert. Pleeze put your hands together and welcome your own, your very own, Selby, Ainsty and Betty"
"Ladies and gents, you'er all in for a rare treat here at the Old King Chuck: the classic, old-school comedy of that hilarious music-hall duo of yesteryear - Selby and Ainsty!"
"A song, a dance, and a bit with a dog. With their lovely assistant Betty, they bring you the wonders of the far desert. Pleeze put your hands together and welcome your own, your very own, Selby, Ainsty and Betty"
Is Betty the dog? Aarrff!! Aarfff!!
Not quite. She was the lovely assistant. I do not know the name of the dog.
Labour and Conservatives say Uxbridge is close Tim Burke Reporting from Uxbridge It’s hot here at Queensmead Sports Centre in Uxbridge - and not just in terms of the temperature. One Tory observer - scrunching up his face and holding his index finger and thumb millimetres apart - says it’s close. Labour say it’s close too. Which way, I ask. “Close is close," I'm told. Many of the candidates - of which there are 17 - and supporters haven’t arrived yet."
Pretend I am old and stupid - difficult I know, but try. What does "ratioed" mean?
It’s a Twitter thing. Basically the ratio of comments to likes/retweets.
Being “ratioed” means that there are many more people commenting on your tweet then liking or retweeting it. In other words, a whole bunch of people think you are categorically wrong. Which in the case of Luke Akehurst is probably a fair bet.
Pretend I am old and stupid - difficult I know, but try. What does "ratioed" mean?
You make a comment on the Twitter.
You get many more replies than positive reactions.
This usually means you said something stupid.*
*In the opinion of people who inhabit Twitter.
Often associated with a form of "brigading" though, so not really representative of whether your tweet is popular or not.
I had quite a tough time when I suggested that pedestrianising some city centres would be a good idea and some big name WEF/UN conspiracy theorists ratioed me into oblivion. Has to suspend my account.
Note: PB is great because it somehow manages to avoid all this stuff, while still allowing is to partake in some light piss taking.
LDs look to have romped home in Somerton, Labour say they have won Selby by a few thousand it looks like too
If only that Boris bloke, beloved of his party base and constituency, had trusted his local voters and stood in a recall by-election (if one even succeeded), rather than run away in a fit of pique, maybe it would have been a comfortable Tory win?
Good turnout though.
If the Tories hold Uxbridge but lose Selby and Somerton then Boris will kick himself for not fighting the recall by election
Tories being backed on Betfair (for Uxbridge).
Uxbridge Tories drifting but still shorter than when the count started. 4/1 from 13/2 via 2/1.
LDs look to have romped home in Somerton, Labour say they have won Selby by a few thousand it looks like too
If only that Boris bloke, beloved of his party base and constituency, had trusted his local voters and stood in a recall by-election (if one even succeeded), rather than run away in a fit of pique, maybe it would have been a comfortable Tory win?
Good turnout though.
If the Tories hold Uxbridge but lose Selby and Somerton then Boris will kick himself for not fighting the recall by election
Tories being backed on Betfair (for Uxbridge).
Uxbridge Tories drifting but still shorter than when the count started. 4/1 from 13/2 via 2/1.
Someone seems confident about Labour winning two. Tories twice laid off the boards in Uxbridge. Labour 1.01 in Selby.
The New Leviathans: thoughts after liberalism 16:00-17:00 23 September 2023 Lecture Theatre 3, Mathematical Institute, Woodstock Rd, OX2 6GG In a time of wars of religion and political upheavals, the seventeenth century English philosopher, Thomas Hobbes, argued in his celebrated and infamous book, Leviathan, that the most powerful human need was for peace, not freedom. Without a strong state, society descended into a "war of all against all" in which no one was safe from their fellows. What does Hobbes teach us about the crises of liberal democracy and the rise of authoritarian regimes? Has the liberal dream of limiting the authority of government turned out to be an illusion?
John Gray Emeritus Professor of European Thought London School of Economics
The New Leviathans: thoughts after liberalism 16:00-17:00 23 September 2023 Lecture Theatre 3, Mathematical Institute, Woodstock Rd, OX2 6GG In a time of wars of religion and political upheavals, the seventeenth century English philosopher, Thomas Hobbes, argued in his celebrated and infamous book, Leviathan, that the most powerful human need was for peace, not freedom. Without a strong state, society descended into a "war of all against all" in which no one was safe from their fellows. What does Hobbes teach us about the crises of liberal democracy and the rise of authoritarian regimes? Has the liberal dream of limiting the authority of government turned out to be an illusion?
John Gray Emeritus Professor of European Thought London School of Economics
Interesting. Always look forward to reading John Gray articles.
LDs look to have romped home in Somerton, Labour say they have won Selby by a few thousand it looks like too
If only that Boris bloke, beloved of his party base and constituency, had trusted his local voters and stood in a recall by-election (if one even succeeded), rather than run away in a fit of pique, maybe it would have been a comfortable Tory win?
Good turnout though.
If the Tories hold Uxbridge but lose Selby and Somerton then Boris will kick himself for not fighting the recall by election
Tories being backed on Betfair (for Uxbridge).
Uxbridge Tories drifting but still shorter than when the count started. 4/1 from 13/2 via 2/1.
Someone seems confident about Labour winning two. Tories twice laid off the boards in Uxbridge. Labour 1.01 in Selby.
The Betfair (Uxbridge) market is incredibly thin - £1-£6 available for most plausible bets (vs £1000+ in Selby). Not sure it tells us much. But someome just plonked £1500 on Labour at 1.2.
Guardian: We’re hearing both the Uxbridge and South Ruislip and the Selby and Ainsty results could be declared in the next fifteen minutes. Stay tuned.
LDs look to have romped home in Somerton, Labour say they have won Selby by a few thousand it looks like too
If only that Boris bloke, beloved of his party base and constituency, had trusted his local voters and stood in a recall by-election (if one even succeeded), rather than run away in a fit of pique, maybe it would have been a comfortable Tory win?
Good turnout though.
If the Tories hold Uxbridge but lose Selby and Somerton then Boris will kick himself for not fighting the recall by election
Tories being backed on Betfair (for Uxbridge).
Uxbridge Tories drifting but still shorter than when the count started. 4/1 from 13/2 via 2/1.
Someone seems confident about Labour winning two. Tories twice laid off the boards in Uxbridge. Labour 1.01 in Selby.
The Betfair (Uxbridge) market is incredibly thin - £1-£6 available for most plausible bets (vs £1000+ in Selby). Not sure it tells us much. But someome just plonked £1500 on Labour at 1.2.
A move to Conservative in Uxbridge. Labour still strong favourite.
A man with a giant comedy rosette has taken to the stage in Uxbridge, which I believe is the traditional sign of an imminent declaration.
Have a bit of respect. That wasn't "a man with a giant comedy rosette". That was no less a personage than the MP presumptive for Uxbridge, Howling Laud Hope.
I do find the concern about the colour of someones skin (or gender) in a work of fiction to be a strange concept. I think one of the best versions of David Copperfield I have ever seen was the 2019 version with Dev Patel. Just brilliant because all you could see was the quality of the acting.
It does worry me that we have this move towards claiming that minority characters can only be played by someone from that minority. It seems to undermine the whole point of acting.
Snow White not being very very white does seem a tad egregious. In the latest movie she is kinda Hispanic and dusky
The whole point of the fairy tale is that she has snowy white skin. Hence her name
I’ve no problem with casting anyone as anyone, within reason, but when it actually destroys the basic premise of the story: then yes. I have a problem.
It's ironic because the Hispanic star, Rachel Zegler, rose to fame playing Maria in the Spielberg remake of West Side Story, where she took on the role (a Puerto Rican) that had been played by Natalie Wood, a white actress, in the original film. So perhaps this is some kind of payback. I wonder whether this will cause the same furore as when Disney remade the Little Mermaid with a black actor, Halle Bailey, in the title role - when everyone knows that mermaids are white!
I think the Halle Bailey Mermaid is fine. But I do get the point Leon is making about a character called 'Snow White' because of a specific characteristic but who then... wasn't.
Not that it is really worth falling out over
It's just her name though, it's not like she's Othello and her racial background is key to the whole story. The point is that she is young and beautiful and this angers her stepmother who is growing old - and the story dates from a time where having very fair skin was synonymous with beauty - which isn't really the case for Western beauty standards these days. Rachel Zegler is certainly very beautiful in a youthful and innocent kind of way, so I think it is decent casting.
But the reason she is called Snow White is coz her skin is white as snow. It’s not a frigging metaphor, it’s the basis of the story
From the original Grimms’ Fairy Tale
“a queen sat at her window working, and her embroidery-frame was of ebony. And as she worked, gazing at times out on the snow, she pricked her finger, and there fell from it three drops of blood on the snow. And when she saw how bright and red it looked, she said to herself, "Oh that I had a child as white as snow, as red as blood, and as black as the wood of the embroidery frame!" Not very long after she had a daughter, with a skin as white as snow, lips as red as blood, and hair as black as ebony, and she was named Snow-white.”
I mean, that’s that. The Queen didn’t wish for a “beautiful Latinx daughter with a pure heart which could be unfairly termed ‘white’ in a racialised society’
She asked for a child as white as snow
Not really a lot of wriggle room there. The movie will likely bomb like so many recent Woke Disney efforts
That was then, this is now.
Modern retellings update things all the frigging time, so what if that was what was written then? Then that was the standard for beauty, now it is not.
I do find the concern about the colour of someones skin (or gender) in a work of fiction to be a strange concept. I think one of the best versions of David Copperfield I have ever seen was the 2019 version with Dev Patel. Just brilliant because all you could see was the quality of the acting.
It does worry me that we have this move towards claiming that minority characters can only be played by someone from that minority. It seems to undermine the whole point of acting.
Snow White not being very very white does seem a tad egregious. In the latest movie she is kinda Hispanic and dusky
The whole point of the fairy tale is that she has snowy white skin. Hence her name
I’ve no problem with casting anyone as anyone, within reason, but when it actually destroys the basic premise of the story: then yes. I have a problem.
It's ironic because the Hispanic star, Rachel Zegler, rose to fame playing Maria in the Spielberg remake of West Side Story, where she took on the role (a Puerto Rican) that had been played by Natalie Wood, a white actress, in the original film. So perhaps this is some kind of payback. I wonder whether this will cause the same furore as when Disney remade the Little Mermaid with a black actor, Halle Bailey, in the title role - when everyone knows that mermaids are white!
I think the Halle Bailey Mermaid is fine. But I do get the point Leon is making about a character called 'Snow White' because of a specific characteristic but who then... wasn't.
Not that it is really worth falling out over
It's just her name though, it's not like she's Othello and her racial background is key to the whole story. The point is that she is young and beautiful and this angers her stepmother who is growing old - and the story dates from a time where having very fair skin was synonymous with beauty - which isn't really the case for Western beauty standards these days. Rachel Zegler is certainly very beautiful in a youthful and innocent kind of way, so I think it is decent casting.
But the reason she is called Snow White is coz her skin is white as snow. It’s not a frigging metaphor, it’s the basis of the story
From the original Grimms’ Fairy Tale
“a queen sat at her window working, and her embroidery-frame was of ebony. And as she worked, gazing at times out on the snow, she pricked her finger, and there fell from it three drops of blood on the snow. And when she saw how bright and red it looked, she said to herself, "Oh that I had a child as white as snow, as red as blood, and as black as the wood of the embroidery frame!" Not very long after she had a daughter, with a skin as white as snow, lips as red as blood, and hair as black as ebony, and she was named Snow-white.”
I mean, that’s that. The Queen didn’t wish for a “beautiful Latinx daughter with a pure heart which could be unfairly termed ‘white’ in a racialised society’
She asked for a child as white as snow
Not really a lot of wriggle room there. The movie will likely bomb like so many recent Woke Disney efforts
It might, but not for that reason I would think.
Though at risk of losing liberal cred I've always taken the position that casting decisions really should be race blind unless there is a specific reason of character or story that means there is a significance to it - eg, if you want a reaslitic feeling historical film Benedict Cumberbatch playing Shaka Zulu would probably be an unnecessary distraction, whereas who gives a crap whether an alien Time Lord is white, black, female or any mixture of anything (so long as they are British, naturally), or if a fish person is any skin colour whatsoever? If a character's appearance is pretty specific and you decide to change that, for what reason and could you just do your own thing entirely? So I kind of get a moan about this one, given the reverse would be pilloried.
These movies bomb because Hollywood is now heavily dependant on Chinese and other global audiences to make really major profits, and these audiences object to Wokeness big time
It is one of the reasons we won’t see a black James Bond
Why are you so obsessed with skin colour? Time and time again you raise some perceived gripe or outrage which boils down to somebody's skin colour.
Comments
(I confess I've changed the title slightly).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUNTk5xsxk4
The battle lines were drawn by the Tories.
Do not let them forget it.
"Britain Elects
@BritainElects
Uxbridge & South Ruislip, turnout:
46.23% (-17.3)
31,000 votes cast
11:57 PM · Jul 20, 2023"
David Herdson (ex-Con, now Yorkshire party - reliable) calls Selby for Labour: "I'm at the count in the #SelbyByelection and Labour will win comfortably. My guess is a 4-6k majority, though that's still an educated guess. Close for a very distant third between Yorkshire, Reform and Lib the Dems."
Looking at the past results looks like they did bloody well to hold it for that long, with 3 majorities under 1000.
https://twitter.com/joncraig/status/1682162219679662081?s=46&t=Gsn9rlDEZH5vXP97Cgifnw
LDs look to have romped home in Somerton, Labour say they have won Selby by a few thousand it looks like too
Good turnout though.
https://vote-2012.proboards.com/thread/17002/somerton-frome
https://vote-2012.proboards.com/thread/16996/selby-ainsty
https://medium.com/britainelects/previewing-the-three-parliamentary-and-three-local-by-elections-of-20th-july-2023-95f9f043747d
BBC live https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-66181315
2012/13 - £30m
2024/25 - £86m
2025/26 - £125m
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jul/20/king-charles-to-receive-huge-pay-rise-from-uk-taxpayers
https://twitter.com/lukeakehurst/status/1682127201615900680
Tim Burke Reporting from Uxbridge
I'm at Queensmead Sports Centre, in Uxbridge, where counting has begun. The alternative venue - used in general elections - at Brunel University can't be used because of graduation ceremonies. They are only counting one seat tonight, Uxbridge and South Ruislip (Boris Johnson's old seat), where in a general election they would count three. There are 107 counters on a snaking table - the team here think they might declare at around 03:00 BST.
Tim Burke
Reporting from Uxbridge
It’s hot here at Queensmead Sports Centre in Uxbridge - and not just in terms of the temperature.
One Tory observer - scrunching up his face and holding his index finger and thumb millimetres apart - says it’s close.
Labour say it’s close too.
Which way, I ask. “Close is close," I'm told.
Many of the candidates - of which there are 17 - and supporters haven’t arrived yet."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-66181315
"This vast, mythical Spanish rail station is now a luxury hotel"
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a8b9c80e-2494-11ee-8c1b-d5d52b458fbd?shareToken=e4a3b16e052b6a2e6e58134e42e338dd
Being “ratioed” means that there are many more people commenting on your tweet then liking or retweeting it. In other words, a whole bunch of people think you are categorically wrong. Which in the case of Luke Akehurst is probably a fair bet.
You get many more replies than positive reactions.
This usually means you said something stupid.*
*In the opinion of people who inhabit Twitter.
Catch us on twitch.tv/britainelects from 1am
James Heale
@JAHeale
1h
“THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF HOURS OF BY ELECTIONS, EACH MORE CLIMATIC THAN THE LAST! CONTANT, DIZZYING, TWENTY-FOUR HOUR, YEARLONG, ENDLESS BY ELECTIONS. EVERY BY ELECTION MASSIVELY MATTERING TO SOMEONE, PRESUMABLY.”
I had quite a tough time when I suggested that pedestrianising some city centres would be a good idea and some big name WEF/UN conspiracy theorists ratioed me into oblivion. Has to suspend my account.
Note: PB is great because it somehow manages to avoid all this stuff, while still allowing is to partake in some light piss taking.
Fell asleep at 9.30pm, just woke up now and I'm wide awake.
Shame there isn't anything going on in the world of politics at the moment............ It might have kept my interest up.
https://nitter.net/joncraig/with_replies
http://twitch.tv/britainelects (live from 1am)
That plus the amusing possibility that Boris had a negative personal vote?
The New Leviathans: thoughts after liberalism
16:00-17:00 23 September 2023
Lecture Theatre 3, Mathematical Institute, Woodstock Rd, OX2 6GG
In a time of wars of religion and political upheavals, the seventeenth century English philosopher, Thomas Hobbes, argued in his celebrated and infamous book, Leviathan, that the most powerful human need was for peace, not freedom. Without a strong state, society descended into a "war of all against all" in which no one was safe from their fellows. What does Hobbes teach us about the crises of liberal democracy and the rise of authoritarian regimes? Has the liberal dream of limiting the authority of government turned out to be an illusion?
John Gray
Emeritus Professor of European Thought
London School of Economics
Reminds me of Dunfermline in about 2006 when the result was still uncertain as the candidates walked onto the stage.
"Just had a call from a Labour cllr at the count and have been told that it is very close - could go either way."
https://vote-2012.proboards.com/posts/recent
Not good news for Labour.
I'll tell you exactly when it will declare. 5 minutes after I go to bed.
Surely someone must know who was ahead on first count?
But if it was positive, he must be kicking himself.
Imagine if he had stood and won against all the odds. He would have been in a great position for a comeback.
Modern retellings update things all the frigging time, so what if that was what was written then? Then that was the standard for beauty, now it is not.
Get with the times, grandpa.