politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » LAB heavyweight Jim Murphy becomes the 2-5 favourite to be
Comments
-
Not too far. Just walk down St. Mary's Road or take the number 65 bus.Scott_P said:
There is usually parking available in Ealing Broadway shopping centre. Don't know how close that is to the campus though.TwistedFireStopper said:Off topic.
Advice needed!
My lad is considering the University of West London for next year, and there's an open day next week.
Any PBers from that London hellhole have any advice about parking/transport in Ealing, as the Uni website says it's very limited and will be very busy?
We've looked at taking the train, but the cost is daylight robbery (nearly 600 quid for return for 3 of us!)
Fecking London!0 -
Cross-over with Clegg will be quite a day.....Scott_P said:It's just a blip...
@montie: Ed Miliband's ratings fall close to lowest ever level via @YouGov http://t.co/Lt2FNSLLXx
0 -
Free movement of people doesn't cover the EU. It's more a Schengen thing. Iceland and Switzerland are outside the EU but inside Schengen. When we visited Geneva last month, I went to CERN, I walked a very short distance across the nearby Franco-Swiss border and while the former customs posts are still physically there, there was no one to check passports/Visas. I jokingly told mum (who was on a Schengen Visa) that we could walk all the way to Calais if we wanted to
0 -
Channel 4 just went live with no funbets allowed - fuckers.
For the record - the Irish one's minimum is 2 GBP0 -
Yes, but the M4 lies south of Ealing College (as was) and you'll be driving straight past it on your way to Ealing Broadway.ThomasNashe said:
There's a multi-storey carpark at the Ealing Broadway shopping centre (c. 10 mins walk from UWL). It's busy at weekends, but there's always spaces on Level 7 at the top, and it's quite cheap (£2.50 for 3 hours). It's quite straightforward to find if you come off at junction 2 of the M4.TwistedFireStopper said:Off topic.
Advice needed!
My lad is considering the University of West London for next year, and there's an open day next week.
Any PBers from that London hellhole have any advice about parking/transport in Ealing, as the Uni website says it's very limited and will be very busy?
We've looked at taking the train, but the cost is daylight robbery (nearly 600 quid for return for 3 of us!)
Fecking London!
Alternative car parking is on Haven Green (just off the Broadway).0 -
@Morris_Dancer
'If the EU offers Cameron nothing he should campaign to leave. I doubt he will, but at least he's offering a referendum.'
Just as Cameron didn't want to be the PM that presided over the break-up of the UK,I doubt that Junker wants to go down in history as the guy that presided over the break-up of the EU.0 -
lolFinancier said:
Have you set up a competitor to PB and are trying to do a reverse take over from Mike S?MarqueeMark said:
First rule of betting chain-letter club....never discuss betting chain-letter club....nigel4england said:
What on earth is the betting chain letter, some sort of secret society where only a few are allowed in?Pulpstar said:BETTING POST
People on the betting chain-letter, check your inbox.
I put a couple of football bets and an X-Factor bet up this morning, if I'd known that not all bets are posted and some are kept secret I would not have bothered.
Nah, vanilla has a messaging function which can be used by anyone. One consequence of political betting taking off is that decent tips posted on the site tend to get smashed pretty much immediately, often by lurkers. Either that or the bookies who monitor the site cut the odds before anyone can take advantage.
It's just the way it is.
Perhaps PB has reached a kinda critical mass whereby publicly sharing (or even discussing) tips with other posters, especially on illiquid markets, becomes impossible without the odds being immediately cut.0 -
Where I was a student we had a LOT of Norwegians. The amount that they both could and would drink was legendary!Flightpath said:
Anyone inside a pub in Norway must be minus an arm and a leg.Richard_Tyndall said:Completely OT. The joys of overbearing socialist governance. A colleague has just posted me a picture from Norway of a Guinness mirror inside our old local The Irishman in Stavanger along with the following message:
"Here in Norway, Stavanger the local council has come up with the bright idea of banning alcohol advertising, fine, but this even stretches to the inside of a pub, so this is causing a few problems with my watering hole "The Irishman". As the picture shows they have to blank out any reference to drink, as it can encourage you to drink. I am, as no doubt you are, wondering just why I would be in an Irish bar on a Saturday night if I was confused over the decision to have a pint or not. You have to love Norway and the local councils , they really have nothing better to do than make up stupid rules to justify their jobs."
The hooch business is I believe thriving.0 -
Very good.Sunil_Prasannan said:Free movement of people doesn't cover the EU. It's more a Schengen thing. Iceland and Switzerland are outside the EU but inside Schengen. When we visited Geneva last month, I went to CERN, I walked a very short distance across the nearby Franco-Swiss border and while the former customs posts are still physically there, there was no one to check passports/Visas. I jokingly told mum (who was on a Schengen Visa) that we could walk all the way to Calais if we wanted to
However, I feel my duty to the normal people of the UK.
The Schengen (if that's how it's spelled) means you shouldn't need a passport on the Eurostar. But you probably will.
JUST SAYING
0 -
Yeah. like I'd get invited! PBTories are always wrong, remember....Financier said:
Have you set up a competitor to PB and are trying to do a reverse take over from Mike S?MarqueeMark said:
First rule of betting chain-letter club....never discuss betting chain-letter club....nigel4england said:
What on earth is the betting chain letter, some sort of secret society where only a few are allowed in?Pulpstar said:BETTING POST
People on the betting chain-letter, check your inbox.
I put a couple of football bets and an X-Factor bet up this morning, if I'd known that not all bets are posted and some are kept secret I would not have bothered.
0 -
I've read this thread with interest. But I think everyone is missing the essential point. If Murphy becomes Labour leader in Scotland, particularly under these circumstances, who will lead Labour in Holyrood?
I don't like or rate Nicola Sturgeon particularly - she seems to me to border on hysterical xenophobia in some of her language - but there's no doubt that she's more than capable of marmalising a leader who will undoubtedly be labelled the 'puppet of an out-of-touch party who only care about Westminster' across the floor of the SP.
Labour don't, if we're honest, need somebody good who's 500 miles away - they need somebody competent on the spot (admittedly, they've been trying and failing to do that ever since the death of Donald Dewar). Failing that, surely somebody on the spot would still be preferable to a man passed off as a London stooge (much though I hate to admit MalcolmG is for once right).
Yet, so far as I can see, not one MSP has been mentioned as a possible candidate. Are there any? What are they like? What views do they have? Any good orators among them? If not, why not? What have the UK party been playing at while Scottish Labour collapses around their ears?
Because if there's no MSP to put forward at least as a possible FM if not overall leader, frankly it's impossible to see how Labour in Scotland will do anything other than collapse entirely in Scotland - possibly in 2015, certainly in 2016, and that would likely start a UK-wide slide into irrelevance a la the Liberal party of the 1920s.
Remember, if you think this is too apocalyptic for Labour - within living memory (1955-59) the Tories were the largest party in Scotland and in 1963 had a Scottish leader who sat for Perth and Kinross. Less than 40 years later, they had no seats at all, and even after 1983, they have only had one senior cabinet minister who represented a Scottish seat (Malcolm Rifkind).0 -
@Mike Smithson - how many other seats are there where SNP is within 20% or so of Labour? The collapse of the LD vote means there will be other seats up for grabs in a world where the Nats and Labour have effectively swapped places in the polling.
That hasn't been confirmed by a proper Scottish poll yet.
Considering the media wouldn't miss a trick at attacking Labour, why has no Scottish Westminster VI poll been commissioned recently by newspapers either side of the border? Maybe they have and it didn't given them the results they wanted.0 -
Then I'd go to South Ealing on the Piccadilly Line if at all possible, though Ealing Broadway has loads of connections.MarkHopkins said:TwistedFireStopper said:Off topic.
Advice needed!
My lad is considering the University of West London for next year, and there's an open day next week.
Any PBers from that London hellhole have any advice about parking/transport in Ealing, as the Uni website says it's very limited and will be very busy?
We've looked at taking the train, but the cost is daylight robbery (nearly 600 quid for return for 3 of us!)
Fecking London!
Drive down to a nearer station, then take the train in?
Which direction are you coming from?0 -
I thought Scotland rejected Independence by a margin of 10% - so why should there be a separate Labour party in Scotland?0
-
All they need is a 5 per cent swingSunil_Prasannan said:I thought Scotland rejected Independence by a margin of 10% - so why should there be a separate Labour party in Scotland?
0 -
The UK isn't in Schengen, so you need a passport to cross the Channel!JBriskin said:
Very good.Sunil_Prasannan said:Free movement of people doesn't cover the EU. It's more a Schengen thing. Iceland and Switzerland are outside the EU but inside Schengen. When we visited Geneva last month, I went to CERN, I walked a very short distance across the nearby Franco-Swiss border and while the former customs posts are still physically there, there was no one to check passports/Visas. I jokingly told mum (who was on a Schengen Visa) that we could walk all the way to Calais if we wanted to
However, I feel my duty to the normal people of the UK.
The Schengen (if that's how it's spelled) means you shouldn't need a passport on the Eurostar. But you probably will.
JUST SAYING0 -
O/T:
London is heading for its lowest homicide rate for many decades this year. So far there have been 65 homicides, including 39 stabbings and 2 shootings:
http://www.murdermap.co.uk/Investigate.asp0 -
Thanks for the advice.Ninoinoz said:
Then I'd go to South Ealing on the Piccadilly Line if at all possible, though Ealing Broadway has loads of connections.MarkHopkins said:TwistedFireStopper said:Off topic.
Advice needed!
My lad is considering the University of West London for next year, and there's an open day next week.
Any PBers from that London hellhole have any advice about parking/transport in Ealing, as the Uni website says it's very limited and will be very busy?
We've looked at taking the train, but the cost is daylight robbery (nearly 600 quid for return for 3 of us!)
Fecking London!
Drive down to a nearer station, then take the train in?
Which direction are you coming from?
I'm driving down from Leicester.
0 -
Our combined info-dump to the lurkers will surely be useful to them.Sunil_Prasannan said:
The UK isn't in Schengen, so you need a passport to cross the Channel!JBriskin said:
Very good.Sunil_Prasannan said:Free movement of people doesn't cover the EU. It's more a Schengen thing. Iceland and Switzerland are outside the EU but inside Schengen. When we visited Geneva last month, I went to CERN, I walked a very short distance across the nearby Franco-Swiss border and while the former customs posts are still physically there, there was no one to check passports/Visas. I jokingly told mum (who was on a Schengen Visa) that we could walk all the way to Calais if we wanted to
However, I feel my duty to the normal people of the UK.
The Schengen (if that's how it's spelled) means you shouldn't need a passport on the Eurostar. But you probably will.
JUST SAYING
0 -
M69 - A46 - M40 - A40 - A406 to Ealing is one option.TwistedFireStopper said:
Thanks for the advice.Ninoinoz said:
Then I'd go to South Ealing on the Piccadilly Line if at all possible, though Ealing Broadway has loads of connections.MarkHopkins said:TwistedFireStopper said:Off topic.
Advice needed!
My lad is considering the University of West London for next year, and there's an open day next week.
Any PBers from that London hellhole have any advice about parking/transport in Ealing, as the Uni website says it's very limited and will be very busy?
We've looked at taking the train, but the cost is daylight robbery (nearly 600 quid for return for 3 of us!)
Fecking London!
Drive down to a nearer station, then take the train in?
Which direction are you coming from?
I'm driving down from Leicester.0 -
another richard says ''We've passed the peak of the economic cycle.''
How do you know?
The economic cycle is in any event different from the issue of the structural deficit. By definition tax cuts and or additional spending does not come from the economic cycle. It comes from the overall growth in the economy over and above the ups and downs of the cycle. The rise and fall of the econoimic cycle does not of itself mean moves from surplus to deficit - it depends on the nature of the cycle.
Irrespective of the cycle, if we move to a structural surplus then we can if we chose pass that or some of that on in tax cuts. The structural surplus mainly needs to be eliminated by cutting the spending the economy cannot afford.0 -
UKIP are now 1.14 in Rochester with Betfair. I think that's the lowest they've been:
http://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/market?id=1.1157074460 -
2 mins till k/o!!!
Game 43 or 44 or something. Anyway - apparently it's in London.0 -
0
-
I've not checked the video on that one.0
-
Bastard Yanks - messing with our GMT0
-
Haven't got the tables to check the sample sizes for Opinium, but plugging their headline figures into our calculations gives the following ELBOW (Electoral Leader-Board Of the Week) for week-ending 26th October:
Lab 33.4% (-0.2)
Con 32.1% (+0.9)
UKIP 15.9% (-1.2)
LD 7.3% (-0.6)
Lab lead 1.3% (-1.1)
Take-home: UKIP take a hit with the Tories the main beneficiaries and the Labour lead consequently trimmed even more than in the previous two ELBOWs.0 -
Vernon Kay looking like a true fan.0
-
EICSunil_Prasannan said:Haven't got the tables to check the sample sizes for Opinium, but plugging their headline figures into our calculations gives the following ELBOW (Electoral Leader-Board Of the Week) for week-ending 26th October:
Lab 33.4% (-0.2)
Con 32.1% (+0.9)
UKIP 15.9% (-1.2)
LD 7.3% (-0.6)
Lab lead 1.3% (-1.1)
Take-home: UKIP take a hit with the Tories the main beneficiaries and the Labour lead consequently trimmed even more than in the previous two ELBOWs.
0 -
He has crossed-over with Clegg in Scotland.MarqueeMark said:
Cross-over with Clegg will be quite a day.....Scott_P said:It's just a blip...
@montie: Ed Miliband's ratings fall close to lowest ever level via @YouGov http://t.co/Lt2FNSLLXx
But it's only a sub sample so doesn't count...0 -
That's why they're called Septics!JBriskin said:Bastard Yanks - messing with our GMT
0 -
Not to me - apparently I'm an Atlantacist...OldKingCole said:
That's why they're called Septics!JBriskin said:Bastard Yanks - messing with our GMT
EDITED for capitalisation - I may still have spelled it wrong...
0 -
Well a year or so back I needed to show my passport to fly to Glasgow so I think it unlikely that I'd be able to travel abroad without one. Mind you, years ago on a works outing I went to France and back on the strength of a Home Office identity card and no body on either side batted an eyelid. I am also aware of one member of the Hurstpierpoint and District Gentlemen's Temperance Society completed one of our luncheon trips to Boulogne armed with nothing more than a bus pass, strategic deafness and an adopted upper-class accent..Sunil_Prasannan said:
The UK isn't in Schengen, so you need a passport to cross the Channel!JBriskin said:
Very good.Sunil_Prasannan said:Free movement of people doesn't cover the EU. It's more a Schengen thing. Iceland and Switzerland are outside the EU but inside Schengen. When we visited Geneva last month, I went to CERN, I walked a very short distance across the nearby Franco-Swiss border and while the former customs posts are still physically there, there was no one to check passports/Visas. I jokingly told mum (who was on a Schengen Visa) that we could walk all the way to Calais if we wanted to
However, I feel my duty to the normal people of the UK.
The Schengen (if that's how it's spelled) means you shouldn't need a passport on the Eurostar. But you probably will.
JUST SAYING0 -
My ghast has never been so flabbered! Dr Sunil giving directions by road and not by train. Surely the end of PB as we know it, no wodner there is this new secret society in our midst.Sunil_Prasannan said:
M69 - A46 - M40 - A40 - A406 to Ealing is one option.TwistedFireStopper said:
Thanks for the advice.Ninoinoz said:
Then I'd go to South Ealing on the Piccadilly Line if at all possible, though Ealing Broadway has loads of connections.MarkHopkins said:TwistedFireStopper said:Off topic.
Advice needed!
My lad is considering the University of West London for next year, and there's an open day next week.
Any PBers from that London hellhole have any advice about parking/transport in Ealing, as the Uni website says it's very limited and will be very busy?
We've looked at taking the train, but the cost is daylight robbery (nearly 600 quid for return for 3 of us!)
Fecking London!
Drive down to a nearer station, then take the train in?
Which direction are you coming from?
I'm driving down from Leicester.0 -
OK. By car A40 to Hanger Lane Gyratory System, down Hanger Lane itself (North Circular) and turn right at Ealing Common onto Ealing Broadway. You've got two car parks to choose from as discussed.TwistedFireStopper said:
Thanks for the advice.Ninoinoz said:
Then I'd go to South Ealing on the Piccadilly Line if at all possible, though Ealing Broadway has loads of connections.MarkHopkins said:TwistedFireStopper said:Off topic.
Advice needed!
My lad is considering the University of West London for next year, and there's an open day next week.
Any PBers from that London hellhole have any advice about parking/transport in Ealing, as the Uni website says it's very limited and will be very busy?
We've looked at taking the train, but the cost is daylight robbery (nearly 600 quid for return for 3 of us!)
Fecking London!
Drive down to a nearer station, then take the train in?
Which direction are you coming from?
I'm driving down from Leicester.
Or, find somewhere to park at the northern end of the Piccadilly Line and take it to South Ealing.
Or, go to Greenford station (on A40) and take the Paddington train to Ealing Broadway.
The number 65 bus goes from Ealing Broadway station, stops outside the Broadway Centre and Ealing College. Or walk it, if you prefer.0 -
Changes from the first published ELBOW from 17th August 2014:JBriskin said:
EICSunil_Prasannan said:Haven't got the tables to check the sample sizes for Opinium, but plugging their headline figures into our calculations gives the following ELBOW (Electoral Leader-Board Of the Week) for week-ending 26th October:
Lab 33.4% (-0.2)
Con 32.1% (+0.9)
UKIP 15.9% (-1.2)
LD 7.3% (-0.6)
Lab lead 1.3% (-1.1)
Take-home: UKIP take a hit with the Tories the main beneficiaries and the Labour lead consequently trimmed even more than in the previous two ELBOWs.
Lab -2.7%
Con -1.0%
UKIP +2.8%
LD -1.4%
Lab lead -1.7%0 -
Sunil_Prasannan said:
Haven't got the tables to check the sample sizes for Opinium, but plugging their headline figures into our calculations gives the following ELBOW (Electoral Leader-Board Of the Week) for week-ending 26th October:
Lab 33.4% (-0.2)
Con 32.1% (+0.9)
UKIP 15.9% (-1.2)
LD 7.3% (-0.6)
Lab lead 1.3% (-1.1)
Take-home: UKIP take a hit with the Tories the main beneficiaries and the Labour lead consequently trimmed even more than in the previous two ELBOWs.
CHART: Opinium since 2010.
UKIP rose up to May 2013, but have held steady since then.
Conservatives and Labour numbers are converging in ever closer union.
0 -
There was a touchdown and a thing over the bar for the red team...0
-
Avast, Mr Llama!HurstLlama said:
My ghast has never been so flabbered! Dr Sunil giving directions by road and not by train. Surely the end of PB as we know it, no wodner there is this new secret society in our midst.Sunil_Prasannan said:
M69 - A46 - M40 - A40 - A406 to Ealing is one option.TwistedFireStopper said:
Thanks for the advice.Ninoinoz said:
Then I'd go to South Ealing on the Piccadilly Line if at all possible, though Ealing Broadway has loads of connections.MarkHopkins said:TwistedFireStopper said:Off topic.
Advice needed!
My lad is considering the University of West London for next year, and there's an open day next week.
Any PBers from that London hellhole have any advice about parking/transport in Ealing, as the Uni website says it's very limited and will be very busy?
We've looked at taking the train, but the cost is daylight robbery (nearly 600 quid for return for 3 of us!)
Fecking London!
Drive down to a nearer station, then take the train in?
Which direction are you coming from?
I'm driving down from Leicester.
I've been a member of SABRE since 2003, though my interest has waned in recent years!
http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/0 -
WRT Plebs, by the 1st century BC, most aristocrats were Plebeian (like Mark Antony, Cassius, Marius, or the dominant Caecilius Metellus clan). Patricians were simply descendants of the original nobility. They were a tiny proportion of the population, and while some (like the Claudians) remained very rich, others were barely clinging on to noble status (like Caesar) or had lost it (like Sulla as a young man).
But Plebs also had a perjorative connotation. Even Plebeian nobles would speak of Plebs Sordida (the Unwashed People) to refer to the lower classes.0 -
We've been told off by OGH for our bullshit stats Sunil - though I well admit yours are better resourced than mine...Sunil_Prasannan said:
Changes from the first published ELBOW from 17th August 2014:JBriskin said:
EICSunil_Prasannan said:Haven't got the tables to check the sample sizes for Opinium, but plugging their headline figures into our calculations gives the following ELBOW (Electoral Leader-Board Of the Week) for week-ending 26th October:
Lab 33.4% (-0.2)
Con 32.1% (+0.9)
UKIP 15.9% (-1.2)
LD 7.3% (-0.6)
Lab lead 1.3% (-1.1)
Take-home: UKIP take a hit with the Tories the main beneficiaries and the Labour lead consequently trimmed even more than in the previous two ELBOWs.
Lab -2.7%
Con -1.0%
UKIP +2.8%
LD -1.4%
Lab lead -1.7%
0 -
Excellent , thanks for thatKentRising said:malcolmg said:
Small village where the pneumatic tyre was invented. My mother came from Dreghorn and grandparents are buried there. Locally big big difference if you say are you from Irvine.Theuniondivvie said:
I have had a beer or 2 in Irvine, never tasted the fleshpots of Dreghorn though.malcolmg said:
He has an excuse I believe he is a central belt chappie, probably never travelled to the wilds of AyrshireMonikerDiCanio said:
I see that you corrected ThUD's incompetent pedantry earlier. There's something not quite right about that boy, is he a yank ?malcolmg said:
You a geography student MonicaMonikerDiCanio said:
Sturgeon isn't from Irvine, she's from Dreghorn. There is a big difference.Theuniondivvie said:'He’s articulate, tough, and like Sturgeon is from Glasgow. '
Sturgeon is from Irvine in Ayrshire, not Glasgow.
As Old Labour suggests (as with the misplaced infatuation with Darling), Murphy is right wingers & Southrons idea of a successful Scottish politician, Scots not so much.
Dreghorn only has a few small pubs.
Nice new Weatherspoons opened at shopping centre in Irvine just across from station. Excellent selection of beers. Otherwise not a lot in Irvine, much more in the "burgh of culture" , Kilwinning.
"Poor Orpheus! He felt like some old town
Of Carrick in decline: Maybole, or Girvan,
The pubs shut down, the kids, taunting 'the clown
Who couldna face the front', on drugs from Irvine;
While dismal in the twilight of surviving
Alone with his shopping, sore to be rid of her,
He walks the roads of home a widower.'
- from 'The Ayrshire Orpheus', which appears in Mick Imlah's collection The Lost Leader (pertinent to Scottish Labour right now...)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lost-Leader-Mick-Imlah/dp/057124307X/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1414327461&sr=1-3&keywords=mick+imlah0 -
I really can't see how Jim Murphy is the answer to any of Scottish Labour's problems. He's a Blairite who's views are exactly the kind that have pushed away so many working-class Labour supporters (problems that Labour are facing everywhere in the UK with their working-class base, but are at a more advanced stage in Scotland simply because the SNP are more talented than any opponents Labour have to face elsewhere). And in speaking style he's always seemed incredibly dull and uncharismatic to me.0
-
Murphy would want both salaries and pensions for sure and ermine guarantee when he crashed and burnedScott_P said:
Well, he would get a payoff (and his gold-plated pension) for leaving Westminster, plus another salary (and gold-plated pension) if he stood in Holyrood, or he could collect both at the same time, then he could leave that and stand for Westminster again.malcolmg said:His ego would never allow him to do that unless he gets guaranteed lots and lots of money.
Nah, nobody would be that greedy...0 -
Shouldn't FOOTball be played with the, er, FEET??JBriskin said:There was a touchdown and a thing over the bar for the red team...
0 -
Yah yah yah Mr Sunil - a perennial want of understanding.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Shouldn't FOOTball be played with the, er, FEET??JBriskin said:There was a touchdown and a thing over the bar for the red team...
0 -
It does for comic value!Theuniondivvie said:
He has crossed-over with Clegg in Scotland.MarqueeMark said:
Cross-over with Clegg will be quite a day.....Scott_P said:It's just a blip...
@montie: Ed Miliband's ratings fall close to lowest ever level via @YouGov http://t.co/Lt2FNSLLXx
But it's only a sub sample so doesn't count...
However dark their days, Labour could always cling to one thing "Well, at least Ed's more popular than Clegg...." No more!
0 -
mine was far more accurate than yours Master J Briskin EsquireJBriskin said:0 -
Touche Malcy0
-
Regardless - 2nd touchdown for the Red Team (Atlanta), despite my Antlatasicm I am DeeTroit!!!!!!!0
-
In the words of the Irishman, when asked for directions to Dublin: "well, if I were you, I wouldn't start from here!"another_richard said:
And how much longer are you prepared to take might I ask ?
During the Brown bubble wealth consumption increased faster than wealth creation, during the last recession wealth creation decreased more than wealth consumption and during the current economic cycle wealth consumption has again increased faster than wealth creation.
Do we see a pattern here ?
Now what happens when we get the next recession ? The government, of whatever makeup, will do everything it can to safeguard wealth consumption as that's popular and it will safeguard votes.
Meanwhile wealth creating sectors will again be left to fend for themselves.
There is no interest in rebalancing the economy.
Unfortunately we are where we are. The challenge is how we can get to where we need to be without destroying a generation.
It's not going to be easy, and its not going to be fun. But it's not possible to do just with a sweep of George's pencil, which is what you seem to suggest0 -
No - it's an EEA thing :Sunil_Prasannan said:Free movement of people doesn't cover the EU. It's more a Schengen thing. Iceland and Switzerland are outside the EU but inside Schengen. When we visited Geneva last month, I went to CERN, I walked a very short distance across the nearby Franco-Swiss border and while the former customs posts are still physically there, there was no one to check passports/Visas.
http://www.efta.int/eea/policy-areas/persons/persons
"Free movement of persons is one of the core freedoms of the European Internal Market. This area is covered by Article 28 of the EEA Agreement, Annex V on the Free Movement of Workers and Annex VIII on the Right of Establishment. Accordingly, nationals of the EEA EFTA States (Iceland, Norway and Liechtenstein) have the same right as EU citizens to take up an economic activity anywhere in the EU/EEA without being discriminated against on the grounds of their nationality. Equally, EU citizens have the right to work and reside in the EEA EFTA States. Non-economically active persons such as pensioners, students and family members of EEA nationals are also entitled to move and reside anywhere in the EU/EEA subject to certain conditions as set out in the relevant EU legislation."
So that's why Brexit without leaving EEA doesn't answer the EU immigration question.
Switzerland's a bit of a funny one as it's signed lots of bilateral treaties that have similar effect to a lot of the "standard" Brussels arrangements but technically outside them. And the Geneva border is probably too busy to police effectively - but there was a manned border post last time I came over the Alps from Italy
0 -
My thought also. One reason he wins in his seat is he is relatively right-wing and night otherwise be vulnerable to the Conservatives. Also I cannot understand the notion of a leader not in Holyrood - I support the Union - but to me that just speaks contempt for devolution and contempt for Scottish Labour.Danny565 said:I really can't see how Jim Murphy is the answer to any of Scottish Labour's problems. He's a Blairite who's views are exactly the kind that have pushed away so many working-class Labour supporters (problems that Labour are facing everywhere in the UK with their working-class base, but are at a more advanced stage in Scotland simply because the SNP are more talented than any opponents Labour have to face elsewhere). And in speaking style he's always seemed incredibly dull and uncharismatic to me.
0 -
That will make him a shoe in in labour thinking. They are not very bright.felix said:
My thought also. One reason he wins in his seat is he is relatively right-wing and night otherwise be vulnerable to the Conservatives. Also I cannot understand the notion of a leader not in Holyrood - I support the Union - but to me that just speaks contempt for devolution and contempt for Scottish Labour.Danny565 said:I really can't see how Jim Murphy is the answer to any of Scottish Labour's problems. He's a Blairite who's views are exactly the kind that have pushed away so many working-class Labour supporters (problems that Labour are facing everywhere in the UK with their working-class base, but are at a more advanced stage in Scotland simply because the SNP are more talented than any opponents Labour have to face elsewhere). And in speaking style he's always seemed incredibly dull and uncharismatic to me.
0 -
I thought the Irishman said " well I wouldn't start with George Osborne as Chancellor ?"Charles said:
In the words of the Irishman, when asked for directions to Dublin: "well, if I were you, I wouldn't start from here!"another_richard said:
And how much longer are you prepared to take might I ask ?
During the Brown bubble wealth consumption increased faster than wealth creation, during the last recession wealth creation decreased more than wealth consumption and during the current economic cycle wealth consumption has again increased faster than wealth creation.
Do we see a pattern here ?
Now what happens when we get the next recession ? The government, of whatever makeup, will do everything it can to safeguard wealth consumption as that's popular and it will safeguard votes.
Meanwhile wealth creating sectors will again be left to fend for themselves.
There is no interest in rebalancing the economy.
Unfortunately we are where we are. The challenge is how we can get to where we need to be without destroying a generation.
It's not going to be easy, and its not going to be fun. But it's not possible to do just with a sweep of George's pencil, which is what you seem to suggest0 -
For those who know their Aberdeen North/South - there's some scary ass shit on google -
Here's a taster-
http://www.pressdisplay.com/pressdisplay/viewer.aspx0 -
That list of Labour's Scottish seats sorted by majority shows how their problems in Scotland are probably being a bit overstated, atleast for 2015. Most of their thin majorities are in places which strongly rejected independence. For example, some of the Edinburgh seats on paper look like good prospects for SNP gains, but I expect them to see much smaller Lab->SNP swings than the average, both because of Edinburgh voting "No", and because of the UK-wide trend of the metropolitan middle-class becoming more Labourish.
Labour's problems are concentrated mainly in the working-class Central Belt towns, but almost all of them have such formidable Labour majorites that they probably can't be taken down in just one election. The only ones which really seem to be in strking distance for the SNP for next year are Falkirk and Dundee West (probably Ochil & S Perthshire too, even though that was a strong "No" area you'd have to think the majority is so small that it will go by default).0 -
Looks like PSH just joined game 43 crowd...0
-
Nah, you're thinking of the Northern IrishmanAlanbrooke said:
I thought the Irishman said " well I wouldn't start with George Osborne as Chancellor ?"Charles said:
In the words of the Irishman, when asked for directions to Dublin: "well, if I were you, I wouldn't start from here!"another_richard said:
And how much longer are you prepared to take might I ask ?
During the Brown bubble wealth consumption increased faster than wealth creation, during the last recession wealth creation decreased more than wealth consumption and during the current economic cycle wealth consumption has again increased faster than wealth creation.
Do we see a pattern here ?
Now what happens when we get the next recession ? The government, of whatever makeup, will do everything it can to safeguard wealth consumption as that's popular and it will safeguard votes.
Meanwhile wealth creating sectors will again be left to fend for themselves.
There is no interest in rebalancing the economy.
Unfortunately we are where we are. The challenge is how we can get to where we need to be without destroying a generation.
It's not going to be easy, and its not going to be fun. But it's not possible to do just with a sweep of George's pencil, which is what you seem to suggest0 -
Google looking very different now from my previous search...0
-
Yanks on the Tv - Brisky on google - what could go wrong???Charles said:
Nah, you're thinking of the Northern IrishmanAlanbrooke said:
I thought the Irishman said " well I wouldn't start with George Osborne as Chancellor ?"Charles said:
In the words of the Irishman, when asked for directions to Dublin: "well, if I were you, I wouldn't start from here!"another_richard said:
And how much longer are you prepared to take might I ask ?
During the Brown bubble wealth consumption increased faster than wealth creation, during the last recession wealth creation decreased more than wealth consumption and during the current economic cycle wealth consumption has again increased faster than wealth creation.
Do we see a pattern here ?
Now what happens when we get the next recession ? The government, of whatever makeup, will do everything it can to safeguard wealth consumption as that's popular and it will safeguard votes.
Meanwhile wealth creating sectors will again be left to fend for themselves.
There is no interest in rebalancing the economy.
Unfortunately we are where we are. The challenge is how we can get to where we need to be without destroying a generation.
It's not going to be easy, and its not going to be fun. But it's not possible to do just with a sweep of George's pencil, which is what you seem to suggest
0 -
Just reviewed my GE betting and reduced liability on Tory Majority slightly - I think the 4-1 Shadsy is offering is a very fair price right now.
0 -
I have it effectively laid at 2.85-1 right now.JBriskin said:
Lol - you were laying 3-1 weren't you??Pulpstar said:Just reviewed my GE betting and reduced liability on Tory Majority slightly - I think the 4-1 Shadsy is offering is a very fair price right now.
Before backing at 4-1 I had it laid at 3.14.
I may well lay it off again if 3-1 is hit.0 -
I've got less than a grand loaded on betfair - Me and (not Ms Briskin) have serious plans of loading it.Pulpstar said:
0 -
Edinburgh East voted 47% Yes. North & Leith has retained a very active "Yes Scotland" group.Danny565 said:That list of Labour's Scottish seats sorted by majority shows how their problems in Scotland are probably being a bit overstated, atleast for 2015. Most of their thin majorities are in places which strongly rejected independence. For example, some of the Edinburgh seats on paper look like good prospects for SNP gains, but I expect them to see much smaller Lab->SNP swings than the average, both because of Edinburgh voting "No", and because of the UK-wide trend of the metropolitan middle-class becoming more Labourish.
0 -
ADDENDUM - Me and the Murdoch Empire mwah mwah mwah,0
-
Shoo - nothing to do with footwear.malcolmg said:
That will make him a shoe in in labour thinking. They are not very bright.felix said:
My thought also. One reason he wins in his seat is he is relatively right-wing and night otherwise be vulnerable to the Conservatives. Also I cannot understand the notion of a leader not in Holyrood - I support the Union - but to me that just speaks contempt for devolution and contempt for Scottish Labour.Danny565 said:I really can't see how Jim Murphy is the answer to any of Scottish Labour's problems. He's a Blairite who's views are exactly the kind that have pushed away so many working-class Labour supporters (problems that Labour are facing everywhere in the UK with their working-class base, but are at a more advanced stage in Scotland simply because the SNP are more talented than any opponents Labour have to face elsewhere). And in speaking style he's always seemed incredibly dull and uncharismatic to me.
0 -
Apologies - pre 1700 GMT0
-
FTR - Ms Briskin given up on me today - another touchdown for the red team (atlanta) - And I'm going for my FUNBET on DeeTroit (Fuck you Channel 4!)0
-
ADVERT REVIEW FROM BRISKIN AND CO-
Barclays ads are shit.0 -
The best solution for this problem would be for a friendly, non betting PBer to set up a bank account from which new betting accounts are opened and funded.. then a few of us put some money into the account and bet anything we think is good value.. sort of like a PB hedge fundPong said:
lolFinancier said:
Have you set up a competitor to PB and are trying to do a reverse take over from Mike S?MarqueeMark said:
First rule of betting chain-letter club....never discuss betting chain-letter club....nigel4england said:
What on earth is the betting chain letter, some sort of secret society where only a few are allowed in?Pulpstar said:BETTING POST
People on the betting chain-letter, check your inbox.
I put a couple of football bets and an X-Factor bet up this morning, if I'd known that not all bets are posted and some are kept secret I would not have bothered.
Nah, vanilla has a messaging function which can be used by anyone. One consequence of political betting taking off is that decent tips posted on the site tend to get smashed pretty much immediately, often by lurkers. Either that or the bookies who monitor the site cut the odds before anyone can take advantage.
It's just the way it is.
Perhaps PB has reached a kinda critical mass whereby publicly sharing (or even discussing) tips with other posters, especially on illiquid markets, becomes impossible without the odds being immediately cut.
The person setting up the bank account gets a drink out of it, Mike should get a share of the profits for setting up PB, and the rest of us who put in get the double bonus of a fresh set of betting accounts plus a share of other shrewdies wisdom
Whats not to like?
We would have been on plenty of UKIP related bets at massive odds inc what I believe is the biggest mover of the election... Thurrock 16/1>8/11
0 -
The Greens have named Edinburgh East as their one Scottish target, have the rector of Edinburgh University as their candidate and the SNP have so far not named their candidate for the seat. They may soft pedal, in order to ensure the Greens don't mess up their chances elsewhere:Alistair said:
Edinburgh East voted 47% Yes. North & Leith has retained a very active "Yes Scotland" group.Danny565 said:That list of Labour's Scottish seats sorted by majority shows how their problems in Scotland are probably being a bit overstated, atleast for 2015. Most of their thin majorities are in places which strongly rejected independence. For example, some of the Edinburgh seats on paper look like good prospects for SNP gains, but I expect them to see much smaller Lab->SNP swings than the average, both because of Edinburgh voting "No", and because of the UK-wide trend of the metropolitan middle-class becoming more Labourish.
http://brightgreenscotland.org/index.php/2014/10/the-next-green-mp-peter-mccoll/0 -
LD candidate v Charlotte Leslie in Bristol NW.
http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Lib-Dems-announce-candidate-Bristol-North-West/story-23554882-detail/story.html0 -
7.8 For The Brisky Fans0
-
7.6 now!!!0
-
I thought El Gord might have a crack at this...0
-
Biggest mover of the election I think is actually Hills offering of 2 or more seats for UKIP at 8-1.isam said:
The best solution for this problem would be for a friendly, non betting PBer to set up a bank account from which new betting accounts are opened and funded.. then a few of us put some money into the account and bet anything we think is good value.. sort of like a PB hedge fundPong said:
lolFinancier said:
Have you set up a competitor to PB and are trying to do a reverse take over from Mike S?MarqueeMark said:
First rule of betting chain-letter club....never discuss betting chain-letter club....nigel4england said:
What on earth is the betting chain letter, some sort of secret society where only a few are allowed in?Pulpstar said:BETTING POST
People on the betting chain-letter, check your inbox.
I put a couple of football bets and an X-Factor bet up this morning, if I'd known that not all bets are posted and some are kept secret I would not have bothered.
Nah, vanilla has a messaging function which can be used by anyone. One consequence of political betting taking off is that decent tips posted on the site tend to get smashed pretty much immediately, often by lurkers. Either that or the bookies who monitor the site cut the odds before anyone can take advantage.
It's just the way it is.
Perhaps PB has reached a kinda critical mass whereby publicly sharing (or even discussing) tips with other posters, especially on illiquid markets, becomes impossible without the odds being immediately cut.
The person setting up the bank account gets a drink out of it, Mike should get a share of the profits for setting up PB, and the rest of us who put in get the double bonus of a fresh set of betting accounts plus a share of other shrewdies wisdom
Whats not to like?
We would have been on plenty of UKIP related bets at massive odds inc what I believe is the biggest mover of the election... Thurrock 16/1>8/11
A fair price for that must be around 1-3 or so now ?0 -
I see the bovine ex Liberal Democrat Liz Truss has shoved her size 12 wellies in her gob.
However, in a sign of the growing split in the Conservative Party over immigration, Mr Fallon’s comments were immediately undermined by Liz Truss, the Environment Minister, who said that foreign workers are needed to ensure that Britain’s farming industry remains competitive
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11188602/Towns-in-the-UK-are-swamped-by-EU-migrants-Cabinet-minister-warns.html
UKIP, thanks the Environment Minster for her rash unthinking comment which we all understand the implications of and no doubt UKIP will use it as appropriate in leaflets from Lincoln to Hastings and beyond.
I suspect Cameron will seriously regret putting an Urban Liberal in charge of rural matters!0 -
Spurs = LOL, I just laugh at our feebleness, our predictable failings, our vapid, clueless, weak, flacid, wankerness.
It's what makes them the team we love!0 -
Unless UKIP think that it's better to leave agricultural produce rotting in the fields, I don't see what's exceptionable about what Ms Truss has said. It's simply a statement of fact. Who else do you think is going to pick it?manofkent2014 said:I see the bovine ex Liberal Democrat Liz Truss has shoved her size 12 wellies in her gob.
However, in a sign of the growing split in the Conservative Party over immigration, Mr Fallon’s comments were immediately undermined by Liz Truss, the Environment Minister, who said that foreign workers are needed to ensure that Britain’s farming industry remains competitive
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11188602/Towns-in-the-UK-are-swamped-by-EU-migrants-Cabinet-minister-warns.html
UKIP, thanks the Environment Minster for her rash unthinking comment which we all understand the implications of and no doubt UKIP will use it as appropriate in leaflets from Lincoln to Hastings and beyond.
I suspect Cameron will seriously regret putting an Urban Liberal in charge of rural matters!0 -
Thanks Pulpy - I'll have to analyse later - you probably already knew that...0
-
There are plenty of Princes in West Africa who would have the expertise to help with the movements of funds into bank accounts.Pulpstar said:
Biggest mover of the election I think is actually Hills offering of 2 or more seats for UKIP at 8-1.isam said:
The best solution for this problem would be for a friendly, non betting PBer to set up a bank account from which new betting accounts are opened and funded.. then a few of us put some money into the account and bet anything we think is good value.. sort of like a PB hedge fundPong said:
lolFinancier said:
Have you set up a competitor to PB and are trying to do a reverse take over from Mike S?MarqueeMark said:
First rule of betting chain-letter club....never discuss betting chain-letter club....nigel4england said:
What on earth is the betting chain letter, some sort of secret society where only a few are allowed in?Pulpstar said:BETTING POST
People on the betting chain-letter, check your inbox.
I put a couple of football bets and an X-Factor bet up this morning, if I'd known that not all bets are posted and some are kept secret I would not have bothered.
Nah, vanilla has a messaging function which can be used by anyone. One consequence of political betting taking off is that decent tips posted on the site tend to get smashed pretty much immediately, often by lurkers. Either that or the bookies who monitor the site cut the odds before anyone can take advantage.
It's just the way it is.
Perhaps PB has reached a kinda critical mass whereby publicly sharing (or even discussing) tips with other posters, especially on illiquid markets, becomes impossible without the odds being immediately cut.
The person setting up the bank account gets a drink out of it, Mike should get a share of the profits for setting up PB, and the rest of us who put in get the double bonus of a fresh set of betting accounts plus a share of other shrewdies wisdom
Whats not to like?
We would have been on plenty of UKIP related bets at massive odds inc what I believe is the biggest mover of the election... Thurrock 16/1>8/11
A fair price for that must be around 1-3 or so now ?
0 -
HmmmPulpstar said:
Biggest mover of the election I think is actually Hills offering of 2 or more seats for UKIP at 8-1.isam said:
The best solution for this problem would be for a friendly, non betting PBer to set up a bank account from which new betting accounts are opened and funded.. then a few of us put some money into the account and bet anything we think is good value.. sort of like a PB hedge fundPong said:
lolFinancier said:
Have you set up a competitor to PB and are trying to do a reverse take over from Mike S?MarqueeMark said:
First rule of betting chain-letter club....never discuss betting chain-letter club....nigel4england said:
What on earth is the betting chain letter, some sort of secret society where only a few are allowed in?Pulpstar said:BETTING POST
People on the betting chain-letter, check your inbox.
I put a couple of football bets and an X-Factor bet up this morning, if I'd known that not all bets are posted and some are kept secret I would not have bothered.
Nah, vanilla has a messaging function which can be used by anyone. One consequence of political betting taking off is that decent tips posted on the site tend to get smashed pretty much immediately, often by lurkers. Either that or the bookies who monitor the site cut the odds before anyone can take advantage.
It's just the way it is.
Perhaps PB has reached a kinda critical mass whereby publicly sharing (or even discussing) tips with other posters, especially on illiquid markets, becomes impossible without the odds being immediately cut.
The person setting up the bank account gets a drink out of it, Mike should get a share of the profits for setting up PB, and the rest of us who put in get the double bonus of a fresh set of betting accounts plus a share of other shrewdies wisdom
Whats not to like?
We would have been on plenty of UKIP related bets at massive odds inc what I believe is the biggest mover of the election... Thurrock 16/1>8/11
A fair price for that must be around 1-3 or so now ?
I meant Constituency wise!
0 -
Choochtersantifrank said:
Unless UKIP think that it's better to leave agricultural produce rotting in the fields, I don't see what's exceptionable about what Ms Truss has said. It's simply a statement of fact. Who else do you think is going to pick it?manofkent2014 said:I see the bovine ex Liberal Democrat Liz Truss has shoved her size 12 wellies in her gob.
However, in a sign of the growing split in the Conservative Party over immigration, Mr Fallon’s comments were immediately undermined by Liz Truss, the Environment Minister, who said that foreign workers are needed to ensure that Britain’s farming industry remains competitive
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11188602/Towns-in-the-UK-are-swamped-by-EU-migrants-Cabinet-minister-warns.html
UKIP, thanks the Environment Minster for her rash unthinking comment which we all understand the implications of and no doubt UKIP will use it as appropriate in leaflets from Lincoln to Hastings and beyond.
I suspect Cameron will seriously regret putting an Urban Liberal in charge of rural matters!
/PBScotfortheday
0 -
Or maybe \
I never said I could code0 -
Half Time Entertainment!!!0
-
Actually I was talking about actual border controls. UK Border still polices UK airport/seaport entry as we are outside Schengen.El_Sid said:
No - it's an EEA thing :Sunil_Prasannan said:Free movement of people doesn't cover the EU. It's more a Schengen thing. Iceland and Switzerland are outside the EU but inside Schengen. When we visited Geneva last month, I went to CERN, I walked a very short distance across the nearby Franco-Swiss border and while the former customs posts are still physically there, there was no one to check passports/Visas.
http://www.efta.int/eea/policy-areas/persons/persons
"Free movement of persons is one of the core freedoms of the European Internal Market. This area is covered by Article 28 of the EEA Agreement, Annex V on the Free Movement of Workers and Annex VIII on the Right of Establishment. Accordingly, nationals of the EEA EFTA States (Iceland, Norway and Liechtenstein) have the same right as EU citizens to take up an economic activity anywhere in the EU/EEA without being discriminated against on the grounds of their nationality. Equally, EU citizens have the right to work and reside in the EEA EFTA States. Non-economically active persons such as pensioners, students and family members of EEA nationals are also entitled to move and reside anywhere in the EU/EEA subject to certain conditions as set out in the relevant EU legislation."
So that's why Brexit without leaving EEA doesn't answer the EU immigration question.
Switzerland's a bit of a funny one as it's signed lots of bilateral treaties that have similar effect to a lot of the "standard" Brussels arrangements but technically outside them. And the Geneva border is probably too busy to police effectively - but there was a manned border post last time I came over the Alps from Italy0 -
Maybe that's just for superbowl...0
-
I'm eating Crisps!/Chips! though.0
