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Leon said:

Fpt for @Gardenwalker and @rcs1000

“ @ Leon claims he is going to a variety of areas but as far as I can tell he is doing the US equivalent of travelling from Bradford to Hull”

You seem to have forgotten I spent four days on the east coast including 3 in the nation’s capital, which is literally the richest place in the USA

Moreover, I have in the last two years been to Florida California Arizona Utah Colorado Mississippi Louisiana Alabama Tennessee and New York. I suspect I have seen more of America than you guys who live there. Which makes sense. I come here to travel and experience America, you live and work here with families and when you want an American holiday you go to an obviously nice affluent bit - like upscale New England

I stand by my judgment. Parts of the east coast are doing just fine. Flourishing and opulent. As I’ve said before Alexandria VA was the nicest of all the towns I visited. It could have been a quietly ritzy town in Austria or Australia. DC was boring (museums apart) but still clearly wealthy

But go inland to the more neglected bits and it is very different. And even some of the richer cities - Denver is a prime example - have desolate downtowns. Destroyed by covid and now predated by drugs and druggies

Landsend said:

CorrectHorseBat said:

Lockdowns will come to be seen as the biggest blunder in British political history, only second to austerity.

Didnt you support lockdowns as did most of pb.

Gardenwalker said:

Rishi will skip the vote tomorrow, according to the Times. Not fit to govern.

Landsend said:

Malmesbury said:

Landsend said:

CorrectHorseBat said:

Lockdowns will come to be seen as the biggest blunder in British political history, only second to austerity.

Didnt you support lockdowns as did most of pb.

Is pineapple on pizza a warcrime?

A plane crashes on the Ukraine/Republic of China border. In which country do you bury the survivors?

Which is more legendary? Nick Palmer’s social life or @TSE’s modesty?

So you are admitting most on pb supported lockdowns which correcthorsebattery says was a massive policy mistake. Ok

Landsend said:

Roger said:

Gardenwalker said:

Rishi will skip the vote tomorrow, according to the Times. Not fit to govern.

This 'nothing to see here it's all old hat' as expressed by David and others is really quite extraordinary. The point is that we haven't seen it all before. To most of us this is behaviour from a government and a Prime Minister that is unique.

In fact if it wasn't for fatigue we'd be making a much bigger fuss. A lot of people will be asking themselves if we really want this 'born to rule' mob ruling us ever again.

Someone mentioned Sunak's achievement in marrying a billionaires daughter. There's something very rotten afoot and it's taking people a while to compute it. Let's hope a simple change of government will be enough

The point is if you as a govt move from one outrahe to another the public eventually become demoralised and apathetic. Thats the goal.

nico679 said:

I see no 10 is throwing out some meat for the angry mob to feed on . The latest in the “ immigrants are taking your jobs , housing , healthcare “ apparently if it wasn’t for those horrible migrants then there would be plentiful council houses for Brits.

Of course this is just deflecting from the fact that there’s a huge shortfall in housing , instead of trying to fix the problem the Tories gave up long ago and have gone to their default peddle hate and division .

We can see the outlines of the next GE campaign ,it’s going to be a disgusting hate filled campaign by the Tories pitting different groups against each other .

This shower really need to be shown the door before they rip the soul out of the UK .

Farooq said:

Leon said:

Gardenwalker said:

Leon said:

Fpt for @Gardenwalker and @rcs1000

“ @ Leon claims he is going to a variety of areas but as far as I can tell he is doing the US equivalent of travelling from Bradford to Hull”

You seem to have forgotten I spent four days on the east coast including 3 in the nation’s capital, which is literally the richest place in the USA

Moreover, I have in the last two years been to Florida California Arizona Utah Colorado Mississippi Louisiana Alabama Tennessee and New York. I suspect I have seen more of America than you guys who live there. Which makes sense. I come here to travel and experience America, you live and work here with families and when you want an American holiday you go to an obviously nice affluent bit - like upscale New England

I stand by my judgment. Parts of the east coast are doing just fine. Flourishing and opulent. As I’ve said before Alexandria VA was the nicest of all the towns I visited. It could have been a quietly ritzy town in Austria or Australia. DC was boring (museums apart) but still clearly wealthy

But go inland to the more neglected bits and it is very different. And even some of the richer cities - Denver is a prime example - have desolate downtowns. Destroyed by covid and now predated by drugs and druggies

I will admit to being surprised by Denver.
But otherwise, I kind of feel you are majoring on poorer areas. And the US is so big that its poorer areas are commensurately bigger.

Of course the US is quite terrifyingly unequal, but I feel you are missing the massive tracts of suburban housing, where people live quite happily in 3000 sq ft houses and two or three cars.

Which makes sense, because why would any tourist go to Picket Fence, New York or it’s equivalents?

I'm really not majoring on poorer areas., FFS. Look at the list. I've been to some of the richest states in the Union: Colorado, New York, California, Utah, Maryland, DC. I generally go where I am sent by the Gazette, apart from this roadtrip, where I chose to see parts of America I have not seen (not because they are poor, but because I've never had the chance)

And I understand that America has lovely green suburbs with big houses. I see them

But if you want to understand why half of America is voting for Trump then perhaps my honest experiences of the poorer parts of the USA have some value

I have also had a hoot. Americans are so friendly. It's a great place to tour, even if it is in imperial decline

Nope.

Biden won massively in lower-income voters. Higher income voters went to Trump.

https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-2020

dixiedean said:

CorrectHorseBat said:

EXC: Schools trans guidance revealed - with @NatashaC

- No pronoun or uniform change without parental consent

- No hiding changes from parents

- Head can say no to protect other kids

- Competitive sport protected - gender questioning pupils banned

https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1670545643390091267

I'm not outing kids to their parents.
It's a resignation issue for me.

WhisperingOracle said:

Trump has hoovered up both affluent and low-income voters, as far as I can see.

But he's also a symptom of several things, I think ; a pathologically propagandist media ecosystem, hugely centred around FoxNews but also encompassing many other outlets too now, that blames almost everything on a nebulously defined liberal elitism rather than the right, and prescribes ever more free-market fundamentalism as the cure, rather than the disease ; and then there's a subset of the both more affluent and liberal who are indeed too insulated from the poverty elsewhere, and often acquiesce with this free-market fundamentalism in favour much more heavily nowadays of culturally -based politics.

darkage said:

For the first time in many years I have builders chasing up me to do work. Managed to get work arranged in a few days on one project (a very good builder, albeit at a premium) and on another, roofers are calling up asking for updates on the quotes they submitted. This is in affluent areas of England. Not seen this for a decade, for all this time it has been impossible to find builders. I hope that I am wrong but my instincts are telling me that this is a sign that we are at the start of a serious recession.

Casino_Royale said:

Foxy said:

CorrectHorseBat said:

Labour policy has shifted again, will now allow new oil

It really is quite hard to keep up...

Given his record of u-turning, Starmer is unknowable as a potential Prime Minister and his word cannot be trusted.

We simply do not know what we would be getting under a Labour government.

CorrectHorseBat said:

I am not trolling and everyone who knows me here would agree.

I supported lockdowns at the time. I was wrong, I have changed my mind. Please allow me some respect for being open about it. So many aren’t.

FF43 said:

CorrectHorseBat said:

I am not trolling and everyone who knows me here would agree.

I supported lockdowns at the time. I was wrong, I have changed my mind. Please allow me some respect for being open about it. So many aren’t.

Lockdowns is an example of where the negatives are very visible in hindsight but the positives are not. We're alive, but we take that for granted.

I doubt lockdowns were a blanket mistake but probably they could have been done in a smarter way.

Andy_JS said:

CorrectHorseBat said:

I am not trolling and everyone who knows me here would agree.

I supported lockdowns at the time. I was wrong, I have changed my mind. Please allow me some respect for being open about it. So many aren’t.

Nothing wrong with changing your mind.

Casino_Royale said:

Foxy said:

CorrectHorseBat said:

Labour policy has shifted again, will now allow new oil

It really is quite hard to keep up...

Given his record of u-turning, Starmer is unknowable as a potential Prime Minister and his word cannot be trusted.

We simply do not know what we would be getting under a Labour government.

dixiedean said:

CorrectHorseBat said:

EXC: Schools trans guidance revealed - with @NatashaC

- No pronoun or uniform change without parental consent

- No hiding changes from parents

- Head can say no to protect other kids

- Competitive sport protected - gender questioning pupils banned

https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1670545643390091267

I'm not outing kids to their parents.
It's a resignation issue for me.

dixiedean said:

Have read the linked guidance from the Sun.
Hopefully, that's just the Sun's spin on it and the official stuff will be more nuanced.
But if that is anywhere near the policy that will be imposed, then I'll find another job. I won't be alone. My whole career has been about keeping children safe. I will not be outing them to potentially violent
parents for Tory culture war comfort.
Good luck filling the teacher vacancies.

Landsend said:

Westie said:

WhisperingOracle said:

Trump has hoovered up both affluent and low-income voters, as far as I can see.

But he's also a symptom of several things, I think ; a pathologically propagandist media ecosystem, hugely centred around FoxNews but also encompassing many other outlets too now, that blames almost everything on a nebulously defined liberal elitism rather than the right, and prescribes ever more free-market fundamentalism as the cure, rather than the disease ; and then there's a subset of the both more affluent and liberal who are indeed too insulated from the poverty elsewhere, and often acquiesce with this free-market fundamentalism in favour much more heavily nowadays of culturally -based politics.

Demonisation of the "liberal" "elite", or anti-intellectualism as it manifests when viewed from a certain angle, is based on boosting the feeling of "Away with all your poncy long words", which equates to "I'm stupid and I'm proud, because what I am is REAL". Huge licence was given to that kind of attitude in the USA in 2016 and it has hardly diminished since. As the psychological state of a crowd, it's really scary because what may well happen next is a bloodbath - whoop, whoop, whoop - and not just a few hundred role-playing plonkers entering the Capitol.

Many of the elites though are also stupid. Educated but stupid.

Leon said:

dixiedean said:

Have read the linked guidance from the Sun.
Hopefully, that's just the Sun's spin on it and the official stuff will be more nuanced.
But if that is anywhere near the policy that will be imposed, then I'll find another job. I won't be alone. My whole career has been about keeping children safe. I will not be outing them to potentially violent
parents for Tory culture war comfort.
Good luck filling the teacher vacancies.

If a kid is exhibiting mental health issues it is your duty to alert the parents

Landsend said:

WhisperingOracle said:

Trump has hoovered up both affluent and low-income voters, it seems to me.

But he's also a symptom of several things, I think ; a pathologically propagandist media ecosystem, hugely centred around FoxNews but also encompassing many other outlets too now, that blames almost everything on a nebulously defined "liberal elite" rather than the right, and plutocratically prescribes ever more free-market fundamentalism as the cure, rather than the disease ; and then there's a subset of the both more affluent and liberal who are indeed too insulated from the poverty elsewhere, and often acquiesce with this free-market fundamentalism in favour much more heavily nowadays of culturally -based politics, sometimes in clearly good causes and at other times not as clearly so.

Tucker Carlson on twitter now insuating Barack Obama is gay too.

CorrectHorseBat said:

FF43 said:

CorrectHorseBat said:

I am not trolling and everyone who knows me here would agree.

I supported lockdowns at the time. I was wrong, I have changed my mind. Please allow me some respect for being open about it. So many aren’t.

Lockdowns is an example of where the negatives are very visible in hindsight but the positives are not. We're alive, but we take that for granted.

I doubt lockdowns were a blanket mistake but probably they could have been done in a smarter way.

Not to sound like a selfish youngster but quite honestly what have they done for my age group beyond ruin the economy and make us have huge social and educational problems?

carnforth said:

Leon said:

dixiedean said:

Have read the linked guidance from the Sun.
Hopefully, that's just the Sun's spin on it and the official stuff will be more nuanced.
But if that is anywhere near the policy that will be imposed, then I'll find another job. I won't be alone. My whole career has been about keeping children safe. I will not be outing them to potentially violent
parents for Tory culture war comfort.
Good luck filling the teacher vacancies.

If a kid is exhibiting mental health issues it is your duty to alert the parents

Surely the difference here is official vs non official.

If your son is asking his friends to call him another name or pronoun outside of the classroom, it is none of the parents business. No more than if I saw your son kissing another boy on the playground.

But if your son is asking teachers and other pupils to refer to him as "she" in the classroom, and the teacher agrees to it, of course the parents should be made aware.

viewcode said:

FF43 said:

Curious how much the Tories have dominated politics in recent times, given how unpopular their leaders have been. Only Major (hah!) has bucked the trend.




https://twitter.com/TomHCalver/status/1670372331397562372

All together now: "all political careers end in failure"

Leon said:

carnforth said:

Leon said:

dixiedean said:

Have read the linked guidance from the Sun.
Hopefully, that's just the Sun's spin on it and the official stuff will be more nuanced.
But if that is anywhere near the policy that will be imposed, then I'll find another job. I won't be alone. My whole career has been about keeping children safe. I will not be outing them to potentially violent
parents for Tory culture war comfort.
Good luck filling the teacher vacancies.

If a kid is exhibiting mental health issues it is your duty to alert the parents

Surely the difference here is official vs non official.

If your son is asking his friends to call him another name or pronoun outside of the classroom, it is none of the parents business. No more than if I saw your son kissing another boy on the playground.

But if your son is asking teachers and other pupils to refer to him as "she" in the classroom, and the teacher agrees to it, of course the parents should be made aware.

I took the legislation as referring to kids who are definitely "trans", wanting to use different pronouns, rejecting their born gender: and in that case Yes I think the parents must surely be informed, unless there is a history of parental abuse

Landsend said:

Northern_Al said:

Landsend said:

WhisperingOracle said:

Trump has hoovered up both affluent and low-income voters, it seems to me.

But he's also a symptom of several things, I think ; a pathologically propagandist media ecosystem, hugely centred around FoxNews but also encompassing many other outlets too now, that blames almost everything on a nebulously defined "liberal elite" rather than the right, and plutocratically prescribes ever more free-market fundamentalism as the cure, rather than the disease ; and then there's a subset of the both more affluent and liberal who are indeed too insulated from the poverty elsewhere, and often acquiesce with this free-market fundamentalism in favour much more heavily nowadays of culturally -based politics, sometimes in clearly good causes and at other times not as clearly so.

Tucker Carlson on twitter now insuating Barack Obama is gay too.

Gosh. Has anybody told Michelle?

You do know gays are often married dont you.

FF43 said:

viewcode said:

FF43 said:

Curious how much the Tories have dominated politics in recent times, given how unpopular their leaders have been. Only Major (hah!) has bucked the trend.




https://twitter.com/TomHCalver/status/1670372331397562372

All together now: "all political careers end in failure"

Except Callaghan interestingly.

Landsend said:

Interesting given his views on the covid vaccine.

BREAKING: Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. is now leading Joe Biden in 2024 presidential election polls.

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https://twitter.com/LeadingReport/status/1670511484927918080?s=20

Northern_Al said:

Landsend said:

WhisperingOracle said:

Trump has hoovered up both affluent and low-income voters, it seems to me.

But he's also a symptom of several things, I think ; a pathologically propagandist media ecosystem, hugely centred around FoxNews but also encompassing many other outlets too now, that blames almost everything on a nebulously defined "liberal elite" rather than the right, and plutocratically prescribes ever more free-market fundamentalism as the cure, rather than the disease ; and then there's a subset of the both more affluent and liberal who are indeed too insulated from the poverty elsewhere, and often acquiesce with this free-market fundamentalism in favour much more heavily nowadays of culturally -based politics, sometimes in clearly good causes and at other times not as clearly so.

Tucker Carlson on twitter now insuating Barack Obama is gay too.

Gosh. Has anybody told Michelle?

Andy_JS said:

Landsend said:

Interesting given his views on the covid vaccine.

BREAKING: Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. is now leading Joe Biden in 2024 presidential election polls.

8:19 PM · Jun 18, 2023

·

371.9K

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https://twitter.com/LeadingReport/status/1670511484927918080?s=20

Very sceptical. Needs to be confirmed by other polling.

carnforth said:

dixiedean said:

carnforth said:

Leon said:

dixiedean said:

Have read the linked guidance from the Sun.
Hopefully, that's just the Sun's spin on it and the official stuff will be more nuanced.
But if that is anywhere near the policy that will be imposed, then I'll find another job. I won't be alone. My whole career has been about keeping children safe. I will not be outing them to potentially violent
parents for Tory culture war comfort.
Good luck filling the teacher vacancies.

If a kid is exhibiting mental health issues it is your duty to alert the parents

Surely the difference here is official vs non official.

If your son is asking his friends to call him another name or pronoun outside of the classroom, it is none of the parents business. No more than if I saw your son kissing another boy on the playground.

But if your son is asking teachers and other pupils to refer to him as "she" in the classroom, and the teacher agrees to it, of course the parents should be made aware.

No it isn't and it shouldn't.
I'm not having a kid beaten to death by their parents for it.
End of fucking discussion.

How far would you go? Would you warn the other pupils to keep it a secret from the child's parents?

Leon said:

In other news Cincinnati airport is a mare

Leon said:

viewcode said:

Leon said:

In other news Cincinnati airport is a mare

I'm sure it has planes as well. Did you look at the runway?

[ducks]

You literally can’t get a drink landside. They are FORCING me to take Tramadol

Farooq said:

Leon said:

Gardenwalker said:

Leon said:

Fpt for @Gardenwalker and @rcs1000

“ @ Leon claims he is going to a variety of areas but as far as I can tell he is doing the US equivalent of travelling from Bradford to Hull”

You seem to have forgotten I spent four days on the east coast including 3 in the nation’s capital, which is literally the richest place in the USA

Moreover, I have in the last two years been to Florida California Arizona Utah Colorado Mississippi Louisiana Alabama Tennessee and New York. I suspect I have seen more of America than you guys who live there. Which makes sense. I come here to travel and experience America, you live and work here with families and when you want an American holiday you go to an obviously nice affluent bit - like upscale New England

I stand by my judgment. Parts of the east coast are doing just fine. Flourishing and opulent. As I’ve said before Alexandria VA was the nicest of all the towns I visited. It could have been a quietly ritzy town in Austria or Australia. DC was boring (museums apart) but still clearly wealthy

But go inland to the more neglected bits and it is very different. And even some of the richer cities - Denver is a prime example - have desolate downtowns. Destroyed by covid and now predated by drugs and druggies

I will admit to being surprised by Denver.
But otherwise, I kind of feel you are majoring on poorer areas. And the US is so big that its poorer areas are commensurately bigger.

Of course the US is quite terrifyingly unequal, but I feel you are missing the massive tracts of suburban housing, where people live quite happily in 3000 sq ft houses and two or three cars.

Which makes sense, because why would any tourist go to Picket Fence, New York or it’s equivalents?

I'm really not majoring on poorer areas., FFS. Look at the list. I've been to some of the richest states in the Union: Colorado, New York, California, Utah, Maryland, DC. I generally go where I am sent by the Gazette, apart from this roadtrip, where I chose to see parts of America I have not seen (not because they are poor, but because I've never had the chance)

And I understand that America has lovely green suburbs with big houses. I see them

But if you want to understand why half of America is voting for Trump then perhaps my honest experiences of the poorer parts of the USA have some value

I have also had a hoot. Americans are so friendly. It's a great place to tour, even if it is in imperial decline

Nope.

Biden won massively in lower-income voters. Higher income voters went to Trump.

https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-2020

Leon said:

I just can’t be arsed to talk about Trans AGAIN

Landsend said:

Interesting given his views on the covid vaccine.

BREAKING: Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. is now leading Joe Biden in 2024 presidential election polls.

8:19 PM · Jun 18, 2023

·

371.9K

Views

https://twitter.com/LeadingReport/status/1670511484927918080?s=20

Andy_JS said:

Landsend said:

Interesting given his views on the covid vaccine.

BREAKING: Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. is now leading Joe Biden in 2024 presidential election polls.

8:19 PM · Jun 18, 2023

·

371.9K

Views

https://twitter.com/LeadingReport/status/1670511484927918080?s=20

Very sceptical. Needs to be confirmed by other polling.

Andy_JS said:

Maybe it's time to watch The X Files again with all this talk of UFOs.

Leon said:

dixiedean said:

Have read the linked guidance from the Sun.
Hopefully, that's just the Sun's spin on it and the official stuff will be more nuanced.
But if that is anywhere near the policy that will be imposed, then I'll find another job. I won't be alone. My whole career has been about keeping children safe. I will not be outing them to potentially violent
parents for Tory culture war comfort.
Good luck filling the teacher vacancies.

If a kid is exhibiting mental health issues it is your duty to alert the parents