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Oh. You don't have the excuse of ignorance, apparently.Sandpit said:
The police vehicle wasn’t involved in the accident, and was quite some distance away at the time.Farooq said:
Be involved in the deaths of two kids, get investigatedSandpit said:
Yet the police continue to wonder why they have a recruitment problem. Chase suspects and get fired.TheScreamingEagles said:Two police officers in a marked van who followed two teenage boys on an electric bike before it crashed killing them both in Cardiff have been served with gross misconduct notices, the Independent Office for Police Conduct said
https://twitter.com/PA/status/1668612441746587651
Doesn't sound quite so unfair now, does it?
My understanding was that the suspects took a footpath between two roads, that the police van couldn’t follow them down, and were involved in a collision at the other end of the footpath where it met another road.
The problems in which case being the design of the footpath, and the availability of overpowered electric scooters which need to be licenced as motorbikes - and very little to do with the two police officers involved.0 -
Why is it gross misconduct to follow them? What am I missing?Chris said:
From that, possibly you didn't follow the story at the time.Sandpit said:
Yet the police continue to wonder why they have a recruitment problem. Chase suspects and get fired.TheScreamingEagles said:Two police officers in a marked van who followed two teenage boys on an electric bike before it crashed killing them both in Cardiff have been served with gross misconduct notices, the Independent Office for Police Conduct said
https://twitter.com/PA/status/1668612441746587651
People who did will know that the boys died in a crash, and then South Wales Police (and the Commissioner) issued strong statements denying that they had been followed by the police. From CCTV evidence it became clear they had been followed.
If you have a brain and can bear to try to engage it rather than spouting sub-Daily-Mail drivel, perhaps you can think of a reason the officers who followed the boys might have been accused of gross misconduct.
The video I have seen (not the BBC version) shows the van a considerable distance behind the bike. I have no doubt that the boys thought they were being followed and acted accordingly. Law abiding citizens tend to stop if requested by the police.2 -
Will anyone apart from Lozza be losing their deposit at that news?HYUFD said:Lawrence Fox to stand for Parliament in Uxbridge for Reclaim
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Reclaim are more anti vax and harder against Covid lockdowns than RefUK, that is the main difference, on other matters they are similarnoneoftheabove said:
Are they different to Refuk? Surely these boys can come up with some snappy TLAs?HYUFD said:Lawrence Fox to stand for Parliament in Uxbridge for Reclaim
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I don't understand that criticism. They should have raised rates sooner but why are they wrong for doing it now?Luckyguy1983 said:
The BOE are totally out of control.Gallowgate said:
We truly are the cursed generation…FrankBooth said:Talk of a 0.5% rate rise from the Bank of England. Looks like the economy has more signs of life in it than they realised.
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Their recruitment problem isn't an inability to attract blokes who want to do car chases.Sandpit said:
Yet the police continue to wonder why they have a recruitment problem. Chase suspects and get fired.TheScreamingEagles said:Two police officers in a marked van who followed two teenage boys on an electric bike before it crashed killing them both in Cardiff have been served with gross misconduct notices, the Independent Office for Police Conduct said
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Basic reading ability, evidently.turbotubbs said:
Why is it gross misconduct to follow them? What am I missing?Chris said:
From that, possibly you didn't follow the story at the time.Sandpit said:
Yet the police continue to wonder why they have a recruitment problem. Chase suspects and get fired.TheScreamingEagles said:Two police officers in a marked van who followed two teenage boys on an electric bike before it crashed killing them both in Cardiff have been served with gross misconduct notices, the Independent Office for Police Conduct said
https://twitter.com/PA/status/1668612441746587651
People who did will know that the boys died in a crash, and then South Wales Police (and the Commissioner) issued strong statements denying that they had been followed by the police. From CCTV evidence it became clear they had been followed.
If you have a brain and can bear to try to engage it rather than spouting sub-Daily-Mail drivel, perhaps you can think of a reason the officers who followed the boys might have been accused of gross misconduct.1 -
If you commit to Christ you have a place in heaven yesRichard_Nabavi said:
That is rather contradicted by John 14:6, though.Nigel_Foremain said:
Without wishing to sound too much like HYUFD, I believe the standard answer to this by all but the most extreme of Christian fundamentalists is when Christ is reported to have said "My father's house has many rooms", which may just have been him bragging that his dad had a big place, but I believe it is interpreted as saying if you live a good and spiritual life you have a place in heaven.-1 -
No.Chris said:
Oh. You don't have the excuse of ignorance, apparently.Sandpit said:
The police vehicle wasn’t involved in the accident, and was quite some distance away at the time.Farooq said:
Be involved in the deaths of two kids, get investigatedSandpit said:
Yet the police continue to wonder why they have a recruitment problem. Chase suspects and get fired.TheScreamingEagles said:Two police officers in a marked van who followed two teenage boys on an electric bike before it crashed killing them both in Cardiff have been served with gross misconduct notices, the Independent Office for Police Conduct said
https://twitter.com/PA/status/1668612441746587651
Doesn't sound quite so unfair now, does it?
My understanding was that the suspects took a footpath between two roads, that the police van couldn’t follow them down, and were involved in a collision at the other end of the footpath where it met another road.
The problems in which case being the design of the footpath, and the availability of overpowered electric scooters which need to be licenced as motorbikes - and very little to do with the two police officers involved.
This is a repeat of the phone theft gangs a few years ago, before Apple made stolen phones un-useable. The police got told to back off chasing suspects, in case the suspect got injured. With the result that the gangs were granted total immunity to keep mugging people across London.1 -
Au contraire: the Conservatives have failed to stop woke; Labour could claim success in spreading woke.Cookie said:
You make a good point wittily. But there is a kernel of a valid point in there: while the Tories have been bad at all the above, it's hard to see how Labour's proposed solutions wouldn't have made all the above situations worse. Immigration? Labour have never shown any indication that they consider it anything but a good thing. Inflation? When did Labour last urge less public spending? Productivity? It's not particularly obvious that Labour has grasped the issue. Brexit? I'm not sure Labour really sees any solutions or opportunities other than deeper integration with Europe. Wokeness? They love it.Northern_Al said:In reference to the Mail front page it's definitely time for a change of government. Why? Because:
Labour has failed to stop the small boats.
Labour has failed to curb inflation.
Labour has failed to curb immigration.
Labour has made a mess of Brexit.
Labour has presided over a cost of living crisis.
Labour has failed to significantly improve productivity over the last 13 years.
Labour has failed to stop the spread of infectious wokeness.
Starmer has been a dud PM.
Have I got that right?
Arguably Starmer has a big lead on competence over Boris and Liz and is at worst even stevens with Rishi.
I mean, there'd be no change on the rest, but there they could make a real case for having succeeded.0 -
Are you a saloon-bar ignoramus tribute act?Sandpit said:
No.Chris said:
Oh. You don't have the excuse of ignorance, apparently.Sandpit said:
The police vehicle wasn’t involved in the accident, and was quite some distance away at the time.Farooq said:
Be involved in the deaths of two kids, get investigatedSandpit said:
Yet the police continue to wonder why they have a recruitment problem. Chase suspects and get fired.TheScreamingEagles said:Two police officers in a marked van who followed two teenage boys on an electric bike before it crashed killing them both in Cardiff have been served with gross misconduct notices, the Independent Office for Police Conduct said
https://twitter.com/PA/status/1668612441746587651
Doesn't sound quite so unfair now, does it?
My understanding was that the suspects took a footpath between two roads, that the police van couldn’t follow them down, and were involved in a collision at the other end of the footpath where it met another road.
The problems in which case being the design of the footpath, and the availability of overpowered electric scooters which need to be licenced as motorbikes - and very little to do with the two police officers involved.
This is a repeat of the phone theft gangs a few years ago, before Apple made stolen phones un-useable. The police got told to back off chasing suspects, in case the suspect got injured. With the result that the gangs were granted total immunity to keep mugging people across London.0 -
The BBC's coverage of the death of the boys on the bike in Cardiff left a lot to be desired:
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I once - in a hotel in Bruges - eagerly unwrapped my hotel pillow chocolate and was disappointed and bemused to find that it appeared actually to be a sleeping pill.Leon said:I just eagerly unwrapped my hotel pillow-chocolate and discovered it’s actually a mint
The disappointment is surprisingly severe
I didn't use it.
The hotel also had the slowest and smallest lift I have ever been in. Two people could fit in it, but not if they had any luggage.0 -
Whereas your problem apppears to be basic comprehension.Chris said:
Basic reading ability, evidently.turbotubbs said:
Why is it gross misconduct to follow them? What am I missing?Chris said:
From that, possibly you didn't follow the story at the time.Sandpit said:
Yet the police continue to wonder why they have a recruitment problem. Chase suspects and get fired.TheScreamingEagles said:Two police officers in a marked van who followed two teenage boys on an electric bike before it crashed killing them both in Cardiff have been served with gross misconduct notices, the Independent Office for Police Conduct said
https://twitter.com/PA/status/1668612441746587651
People who did will know that the boys died in a crash, and then South Wales Police (and the Commissioner) issued strong statements denying that they had been followed by the police. From CCTV evidence it became clear they had been followed.
If you have a brain and can bear to try to engage it rather than spouting sub-Daily-Mail drivel, perhaps you can think of a reason the officers who followed the boys might have been accused of gross misconduct.1 -
Policings dead if lads tearing around on e-bikes can't be followed at a 15 second interval.7
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Chocolate size? Could have been a suppository.Cookie said:
I once - in a hotel in Bruges - eagerly unwrapped my hotel pillow chocolate and was disappointed and bemused to find that it appeared actually to be a sleeping pill.Leon said:I just eagerly unwrapped my hotel pillow-chocolate and discovered it’s actually a mint
The disappointment is surprisingly severe
I didn't use it.
The hotel also had the slowest and smallest lift I have ever been in. Two people could fit in it, but not if they had any luggage.1 -
Nope - are you saying that they lied about following them? Its not clear that it was a pursuit - I contend that two things may be true - the boys thought they were being followed, and the officers thought they were driving a long a road.Chris said:
Basic reading ability, evidently.turbotubbs said:
Why is it gross misconduct to follow them? What am I missing?Chris said:
From that, possibly you didn't follow the story at the time.Sandpit said:
Yet the police continue to wonder why they have a recruitment problem. Chase suspects and get fired.TheScreamingEagles said:Two police officers in a marked van who followed two teenage boys on an electric bike before it crashed killing them both in Cardiff have been served with gross misconduct notices, the Independent Office for Police Conduct said
https://twitter.com/PA/status/1668612441746587651
People who did will know that the boys died in a crash, and then South Wales Police (and the Commissioner) issued strong statements denying that they had been followed by the police. From CCTV evidence it became clear they had been followed.
If you have a brain and can bear to try to engage it rather than spouting sub-Daily-Mail drivel, perhaps you can think of a reason the officers who followed the boys might have been accused of gross misconduct.
Maybe I'm thick, but its not clear from what you posted why the charge.0 -
Yep, here's the original footage before the BBC played silly buggers with it:Pulpstar said:Policings dead if lads tearing around on e-bikes can't be followed at a 15 second interval.
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One of the lawyers at the Covid Inquiry has just invoked "the effects of Brexit" as one of the factors.0
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Is that what the BBC actually showed, with the 15-second cut in the middle?tlg86 said:The BBC's coverage of the death of the boys on the bike in Cardiff left a lot to be desired:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2hb67Gm8sM0 -
I'd commit to Christ if I even slightly believed that. It would be eccentric not to.HYUFD said:
If you commit to Christ you have a place in heaven yesRichard_Nabavi said:
That is rather contradicted by John 14:6, though.Nigel_Foremain said:
Without wishing to sound too much like HYUFD, I believe the standard answer to this by all but the most extreme of Christian fundamentalists is when Christ is reported to have said "My father's house has many rooms", which may just have been him bragging that his dad had a big place, but I believe it is interpreted as saying if you live a good and spiritual life you have a place in heaven.0 -
No issue with that. Other posters seem to have convicted already,Farooq said:
If it's all the same with you, I'll let the investigation decide that. I'm sure if they've done nothing wrong they will be cleared.Sandpit said:
The police vehicle wasn’t involved in the accident, and was quite some distance away at the time.Farooq said:
Be involved in the deaths of two kids, get investigatedSandpit said:
Yet the police continue to wonder why they have a recruitment problem. Chase suspects and get fired.TheScreamingEagles said:Two police officers in a marked van who followed two teenage boys on an electric bike before it crashed killing them both in Cardiff have been served with gross misconduct notices, the Independent Office for Police Conduct said
https://twitter.com/PA/status/1668612441746587651
Doesn't sound quite so unfair now, does it?
My understanding was that the suspects took a footpath between two roads, that the police van couldn’t follow them down, and were involved in a collision at the other end of the footpath where it met another road.
The problems in which case being the design of the footpath, and the availability of overpowered electric scooters which need to be licenced as motorbikes - and very little to do with the two police officers involved.0 -
What if you commit to Christ and you murder your wife?HYUFD said:
If you commit to Christ you have a place in heaven yesRichard_Nabavi said:
That is rather contradicted by John 14:6, though.Nigel_Foremain said:
Without wishing to sound too much like HYUFD, I believe the standard answer to this by all but the most extreme of Christian fundamentalists is when Christ is reported to have said "My father's house has many rooms", which may just have been him bragging that his dad had a big place, but I believe it is interpreted as saying if you live a good and spiritual life you have a place in heaven.0 -
Was it one of those old-fashioned ones with collapsible metal doors?Cookie said:
I once - in a hotel in Bruges - eagerly unwrapped my hotel pillow chocolate and was disappointed and bemused to find that it appeared actually to be a sleeping pill.Leon said:I just eagerly unwrapped my hotel pillow-chocolate and discovered it’s actually a mint
The disappointment is surprisingly severe
I didn't use it.
The hotel also had the slowest and smallest lift I have ever been in. Two people could fit in it, but not if they had any luggage.1 -
Reminiscent of this ...Richard_Nabavi said:
Chocolates on hotel pillows are an absolute abomination of an idea, especially if you've had an agreeable dinner and collapse into bed without noticing the damned thing.Leon said:I just eagerly unwrapped my hotel pillow-chocolate and discovered it’s actually a mint
The disappointment is surprisingly severe
https://www.facebook.com/FansBillyConnolly/videos/billy-connolly-hotel-room/752563692566809/1 -
Does this mean Reform UK won't be standing?HYUFD said:Lawrence Fox to stand for Parliament in Uxbridge for Reclaim
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Yes, it was utterly disgraceful.Sandpit said:
Is that what the BBC actually showed, with the 15-second cut in the middle?tlg86 said:The BBC's coverage of the death of the boys on the bike in Cardiff left a lot to be desired:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2hb67Gm8sM3 -
Yep.noneoftheabove said:
Are they different to Refuk? Surely these boys can come up with some snappy TLAs?HYUFD said:Lawrence Fox to stand for Parliament in Uxbridge for Reclaim
https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1668602649120235521?s=20
Reform UK is the renamed Brexit Party - Farage's ego trip.
Reclaim is Laurence Fox's ego trip.1 -
Almost all of them have done so far. Its quite clear that the covid for justice type groups are throwing mud at everything in the hope something sticks. A lot will I suspect, but its not been edifying so far. The statements have been rather slanted (perhaps understandably).Andy_JS said:One of the lawyers at the Covid Inquiry has just invoked "the effects of Brexit" as one of the factors.
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What offense were the two "suspects" in this incident, suspected of committing?Sandpit said:
Yet the police continue to wonder why they have a recruitment problem. Chase suspects and get fired.TheScreamingEagles said:Two police officers in a marked van who followed two teenage boys on an electric bike before it crashed killing them both in Cardiff have been served with gross misconduct notices, the Independent Office for Police Conduct said
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Reform and Reclaim have done a deal to carve up which by-elections they stand in.Andy_JS said:
Does this mean Reform UK won't be standing?HYUFD said:Lawrence Fox to stand for Parliament in Uxbridge for Reclaim
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The only hope is, that by letting the ‘campaign groups’ have their say right at the start, everyone will soon move their focus to the primary aim of the inquiry, which is to allow the government to better prepare for the next massive national emergency.Andy_JS said:One of the lawyers at the Covid Inquiry has just invoked "the effects of Brexit" as one of the factors.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-65876922?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=64885d84c408bd3c18cbc288&Did Brexit damage pandemic planning?&2023-06-13T12:45:00.706Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:886017fb-228f-48f4-ab23-43e762a26963&pinned_post_asset_id=64885d84c408bd3c18cbc288&pinned_post_type=sharekinabalu said:
On the grounds (I'm guessing) that it sucked attention and energy away from all else.Andy_JS said:One of the lawyers at the Covid Inquiry has just invoked "the effects of Brexit" as one of the factors.
Did Brexit damage pandemic planning?
Jim Reed
Health reporter, BBC News
In his opening address Hugo Keith KC, the lead lawyer to the inquiry, did not shy away from difficult political questions.
The issue of Brexit and whether leaving the EU might have distracted politicians and civil servants from planning for the next pandemic is something victims’ groups have raised in the past.
Keith said that from 2018 onwards that departure and, in particular, planning for a possible no-deal Brexit, required an “enormous amount” of preparations to address “food and medicine supplies, travel and transport, business and borders and so on”.
“Did the attention paid to the risks of a no-deal exit, Operation Yellowhammer as it was known, drain the resources and capacity that should have been continuing the fight against the next pandemic?” he asked.
“Or did all that generic and operational planning, in fact lead to people being better trained and well-marshalled and in fact better prepared to deal with Covid...
Quote Message: My lady, on the evidence so far, and it will be a matter for you, we very much fear that it was the former.” from Hugo Keith KC Lead lawyer to the inquiry
My lady, on the evidence so far, and it will be a matter for you, we very much fear that it was the former.”
Hugo Keith KC
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If you’re thinking about getting an e-bike, you’ll need to understand the UK law for electric bikes. It’s legal to ride an e-bike in the UK without a licence, but only if it meets certain requirements: it must be pedal assist instead of ‘twist and go throttle’; and have a maximum power output of 250 watts, with a speed restriction of 15.5mph.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
What offense were the two "suspects" in this incident, suspected of committing?Sandpit said:
Yet the police continue to wonder why they have a recruitment problem. Chase suspects and get fired.TheScreamingEagles said:Two police officers in a marked van who followed two teenage boys on an electric bike before it crashed killing them both in Cardiff have been served with gross misconduct notices, the Independent Office for Police Conduct said
https://twitter.com/PA/status/1668612441746587651
It looked quicker than that to me so for starters -
Riding without a license, riding without insurance & riding without a helmet.4 -
I have found the TUC lawyer, who is speaking now, to be overly and unnecessarily political in his opening statement, but others struck me as more edifying. They obviously each reflect their organisation's interests, as one would expect.turbotubbs said:
Almost all of them have done so far. Its quite clear that the covid for justice type groups are throwing mud at everything in the hope something sticks. A lot will I suspect, but its not been edifying so far. The statements have been rather slanted (perhaps understandably).Andy_JS said:One of the lawyers at the Covid Inquiry has just invoked "the effects of Brexit" as one of the factors.
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Unlike the Gor Blimey chorus, I'm not saying anything more than I know. I don't know whether they lied, but it's a possible explanation for the gross misconduct charge that must have been obvious to everyone who followed the story.turbotubbs said:
Nope - are you saying that they lied about following them?Chris said:
Basic reading ability, evidently.turbotubbs said:
Why is it gross misconduct to follow them? What am I missing?Chris said:
From that, possibly you didn't follow the story at the time.Sandpit said:
Yet the police continue to wonder why they have a recruitment problem. Chase suspects and get fired.TheScreamingEagles said:Two police officers in a marked van who followed two teenage boys on an electric bike before it crashed killing them both in Cardiff have been served with gross misconduct notices, the Independent Office for Police Conduct said
https://twitter.com/PA/status/1668612441746587651
People who did will know that the boys died in a crash, and then South Wales Police (and the Commissioner) issued strong statements denying that they had been followed by the police. From CCTV evidence it became clear they had been followed.
If you have a brain and can bear to try to engage it rather than spouting sub-Daily-Mail drivel, perhaps you can think of a reason the officers who followed the boys might have been accused of gross misconduct.
Obviously the tweet doesn't say they were charged with gross misconduct simply because they followed suspects. How could anyone think that was the case? There has to be something more.0 -
It's probably the former but a Dura Ace type figure has fiddled with the electronics.Pulpstar said:
If you’re thinking about getting an e-bike, you’ll need to understand the UK law for electric bikes. It’s legal to ride an e-bike in the UK without a licence, but only if it meets certain requirements: it must be pedal assist instead of ‘twist and go throttle’; and have a maximum power output of 250 watts, with a speed restriction of 15.5mph.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
What offense were the two "suspects" in this incident, suspected of committing?Sandpit said:
Yet the police continue to wonder why they have a recruitment problem. Chase suspects and get fired.TheScreamingEagles said:Two police officers in a marked van who followed two teenage boys on an electric bike before it crashed killing them both in Cardiff have been served with gross misconduct notices, the Independent Office for Police Conduct said
https://twitter.com/PA/status/1668612441746587651
It looked quicker than that to me so for starters -
Riding without a license, riding without insurance & riding without a helmet.0 -
I still think they should have merged under the name "Claim Form".bondegezou said:
Reform and Reclaim have done a deal to carve up which by-elections they stand in.Andy_JS said:
Does this mean Reform UK won't be standing?HYUFD said:Lawrence Fox to stand for Parliament in Uxbridge for Reclaim
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Presumably also failing to stop when instructed by a police officer.Pulpstar said:
If you’re thinking about getting an e-bike, you’ll need to understand the UK law for electric bikes. It’s legal to ride an e-bike in the UK without a licence, but only if it meets certain requirements: it must be pedal assist instead of ‘twist and go throttle’; and have a maximum power output of 250 watts, with a speed restriction of 15.5mph.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
What offense were the two "suspects" in this incident, suspected of committing?Sandpit said:
Yet the police continue to wonder why they have a recruitment problem. Chase suspects and get fired.TheScreamingEagles said:Two police officers in a marked van who followed two teenage boys on an electric bike before it crashed killing them both in Cardiff have been served with gross misconduct notices, the Independent Office for Police Conduct said
https://twitter.com/PA/status/1668612441746587651
It looked quicker than that to me so for starters -
Riding without a license, riding without insurance & riding without a helmet.0 -
Then you haven't committed to Christ as he told you to love your neighbour as yourself, not to kill them.TOPPING said:
What if you commit to Christ and you murder your wife?HYUFD said:
If you commit to Christ you have a place in heaven yesRichard_Nabavi said:
That is rather contradicted by John 14:6, though.Nigel_Foremain said:
Without wishing to sound too much like HYUFD, I believe the standard answer to this by all but the most extreme of Christian fundamentalists is when Christ is reported to have said "My father's house has many rooms", which may just have been him bragging that his dad had a big place, but I believe it is interpreted as saying if you live a good and spiritual life you have a place in heaven.
He also upheld the Ten Commandments laws of Moses ie including not to kill0 -
What if your wife is about to be killed by 20 Nazis, you are 20 yards away and have a gun. What's your next move?HYUFD said:
Then you haven't committed to Christ as he told you to love your neighbour as yourself, not to kill them.TOPPING said:
What if you commit to Christ and you murder your wife?HYUFD said:
If you commit to Christ you have a place in heaven yesRichard_Nabavi said:
That is rather contradicted by John 14:6, though.Nigel_Foremain said:
Without wishing to sound too much like HYUFD, I believe the standard answer to this by all but the most extreme of Christian fundamentalists is when Christ is reported to have said "My father's house has many rooms", which may just have been him bragging that his dad had a big place, but I believe it is interpreted as saying if you live a good and spiritual life you have a place in heaven.
He also upheld the Ten Commandments laws of Moses ie including not to kill0 -
The central point of Christian theology is that God will forgive you your sins, if you repent of them and do due obeisance to Him.TOPPING said:
What if you commit to Christ and you murder your wife?HYUFD said:
If you commit to Christ you have a place in heaven yesRichard_Nabavi said:
That is rather contradicted by John 14:6, though.Nigel_Foremain said:
Without wishing to sound too much like HYUFD, I believe the standard answer to this by all but the most extreme of Christian fundamentalists is when Christ is reported to have said "My father's house has many rooms", which may just have been him bragging that his dad had a big place, but I believe it is interpreted as saying if you live a good and spiritual life you have a place in heaven.
It doesn't seem to matter all that much what you do. The argument seems to be that if you don't repent or do the prayer stuff, that you would have been worse.
I can see why a religion wouldn't want to be too fussy about who they accepted as adherents, but it always seemed a bit of a cop out.0 -
The speed limit is only for the motor assist though, if you can accelerate beyond that by pedalling it's ok, but the motor should cut out.Pulpstar said:
If you’re thinking about getting an e-bike, you’ll need to understand the UK law for electric bikes. It’s legal to ride an e-bike in the UK without a licence, but only if it meets certain requirements: it must be pedal assist instead of ‘twist and go throttle’; and have a maximum power output of 250 watts, with a speed restriction of 15.5mph.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
What offense were the two "suspects" in this incident, suspected of committing?Sandpit said:
Yet the police continue to wonder why they have a recruitment problem. Chase suspects and get fired.TheScreamingEagles said:Two police officers in a marked van who followed two teenage boys on an electric bike before it crashed killing them both in Cardiff have been served with gross misconduct notices, the Independent Office for Police Conduct said
https://twitter.com/PA/status/1668612441746587651
It looked quicker than that to me so for starters -
Riding without a license, riding without insurance & riding without a helmet.1 -
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You ask for forgiveness later?TOPPING said:
What if your wife is about to be killed by 20 Nazis, you are 20 yards away and have a gun. What's your next move?HYUFD said:
Then you haven't committed to Christ as he told you to love your neighbour as yourself, not to kill them.TOPPING said:
What if you commit to Christ and you murder your wife?HYUFD said:
If you commit to Christ you have a place in heaven yesRichard_Nabavi said:
That is rather contradicted by John 14:6, though.Nigel_Foremain said:
Without wishing to sound too much like HYUFD, I believe the standard answer to this by all but the most extreme of Christian fundamentalists is when Christ is reported to have said "My father's house has many rooms", which may just have been him bragging that his dad had a big place, but I believe it is interpreted as saying if you live a good and spiritual life you have a place in heaven.
He also upheld the Ten Commandments laws of Moses ie including not to kill0 -
Then you turn full Old Testament God as he drowned the Egyptians in their chariots to protect the Jews!TOPPING said:
What if your wife is about to be killed by 20 Nazis, you are 20 yards away and have a gun. What's your next move?HYUFD said:
Then you haven't committed to Christ as he told you to love your neighbour as yourself, not to kill them.TOPPING said:
What if you commit to Christ and you murder your wife?HYUFD said:
If you commit to Christ you have a place in heaven yesRichard_Nabavi said:
That is rather contradicted by John 14:6, though.Nigel_Foremain said:
Without wishing to sound too much like HYUFD, I believe the standard answer to this by all but the most extreme of Christian fundamentalists is when Christ is reported to have said "My father's house has many rooms", which may just have been him bragging that his dad had a big place, but I believe it is interpreted as saying if you live a good and spiritual life you have a place in heaven.
He also upheld the Ten Commandments laws of Moses ie including not to kill4 -
How is Suella Braverman's approach compatible with loving your neighbour? Presumably anyone who supports Braverman cannot have truly committed to Christ either.HYUFD said:
Then you haven't committed to Christ as he told you to love your neighbour as yourself, not to kill them.TOPPING said:
What if you commit to Christ and you murder your wife?HYUFD said:
If you commit to Christ you have a place in heaven yesRichard_Nabavi said:
That is rather contradicted by John 14:6, though.Nigel_Foremain said:
Without wishing to sound too much like HYUFD, I believe the standard answer to this by all but the most extreme of Christian fundamentalists is when Christ is reported to have said "My father's house has many rooms", which may just have been him bragging that his dad had a big place, but I believe it is interpreted as saying if you live a good and spiritual life you have a place in heaven.
He also upheld the Ten Commandments laws of Moses ie including not to kill0 -
The police van had been following about two seconds behind the boys when filmed earlier. The reason it was further behind in that video was that the boys went the wrong way around a large roundabout, and the van lost time going to right way.tlg86 said:
Yes, it was utterly disgraceful.Sandpit said:
Is that what the BBC actually showed, with the 15-second cut in the middle?tlg86 said:The BBC's coverage of the death of the boys on the bike in Cardiff left a lot to be desired:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2hb67Gm8sM
But in any case, it's academic how far behind the police were at any point - except that the van had obviously been pursuing the boys - because (as far as I know) no one suggests the police were close behind at the time of the crash.0 -
“Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword” (Matthew 26:52)TOPPING said:
What if your wife is about to be killed by 20 Nazis, you are 20 yards away and have a gun. What's your next move?HYUFD said:
Then you haven't committed to Christ as he told you to love your neighbour as yourself, not to kill them.TOPPING said:
What if you commit to Christ and you murder your wife?HYUFD said:
If you commit to Christ you have a place in heaven yesRichard_Nabavi said:
That is rather contradicted by John 14:6, though.Nigel_Foremain said:
Without wishing to sound too much like HYUFD, I believe the standard answer to this by all but the most extreme of Christian fundamentalists is when Christ is reported to have said "My father's house has many rooms", which may just have been him bragging that his dad had a big place, but I believe it is interpreted as saying if you live a good and spiritual life you have a place in heaven.
He also upheld the Ten Commandments laws of Moses ie including not to kill0 -
Bafflement and confusion from Democratic and Republican US Senators on the latest UFO claims, and quiet from most of the media because they're frightened of looking like cranks.
https://twitter.com/RogueUAPTF/status/16686234945303429150 -
In which case, what was all the rioting about?Chris said:
The police van had been following about two seconds behind the boys when filmed earlier. The reason it was further behind in that video was that the boys went the wrong way around a large roundabout, and the van lost time going to right way.tlg86 said:
Yes, it was utterly disgraceful.Sandpit said:
Is that what the BBC actually showed, with the 15-second cut in the middle?tlg86 said:The BBC's coverage of the death of the boys on the bike in Cardiff left a lot to be desired:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2hb67Gm8sM
But in any case, it's academic how far behind the police were at any point - except that the van had obviously been pursuing the boys - because (as far as I know) no one suggests the police were close behind at the time of the crash.0 -
More broadly, it's mad that e-bikes are limited to 15mph (weigh 25kg) but cars (starting at 1,500kg) are not.kamski said:
The speed limit is only for the motor assist though, if you can accelerate beyond that by pedalling it's ok, but the motor should cut out.Pulpstar said:
If you’re thinking about getting an e-bike, you’ll need to understand the UK law for electric bikes. It’s legal to ride an e-bike in the UK without a licence, but only if it meets certain requirements: it must be pedal assist instead of ‘twist and go throttle’; and have a maximum power output of 250 watts, with a speed restriction of 15.5mph.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
What offense were the two "suspects" in this incident, suspected of committing?Sandpit said:
Yet the police continue to wonder why they have a recruitment problem. Chase suspects and get fired.TheScreamingEagles said:Two police officers in a marked van who followed two teenage boys on an electric bike before it crashed killing them both in Cardiff have been served with gross misconduct notices, the Independent Office for Police Conduct said
https://twitter.com/PA/status/1668612441746587651
It looked quicker than that to me so for starters -
Riding without a license, riding without insurance & riding without a helmet.
Between 2005 and 2018, 548 pedestrians were killed on pavements. 542 by drivers, 6 by cyclists.
I think the government should gently start pushing GPS speed limiters in the next generation of cars. Black boxes too, like in Teslas.0 -
It's two teenage lads on the bike not the lovechild of Bjarne Riis at the Hautacam and Eddie Mercx. They aren't pedalling to output that power.kamski said:
The speed limit is only for the motor assist though, if you can accelerate beyond that by pedalling it's ok, but the motor should cut out.Pulpstar said:
If you’re thinking about getting an e-bike, you’ll need to understand the UK law for electric bikes. It’s legal to ride an e-bike in the UK without a licence, but only if it meets certain requirements: it must be pedal assist instead of ‘twist and go throttle’; and have a maximum power output of 250 watts, with a speed restriction of 15.5mph.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
What offense were the two "suspects" in this incident, suspected of committing?Sandpit said:
Yet the police continue to wonder why they have a recruitment problem. Chase suspects and get fired.TheScreamingEagles said:Two police officers in a marked van who followed two teenage boys on an electric bike before it crashed killing them both in Cardiff have been served with gross misconduct notices, the Independent Office for Police Conduct said
https://twitter.com/PA/status/1668612441746587651
It looked quicker than that to me so for starters -
Riding without a license, riding without insurance & riding without a helmet.1 -
Nottingham incident update:
All three fatalities believed to have been stabbed. The third was two miles from the first two.
All three injuries believed to be as a result of pedestrian collisions with the suspect’s van. One is critically ill.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/13/nottingham-incident-live-updates-police-road-closures/0 -
You do need a license to drive a car, whereas for a bicycle you do not, so it seems sensible to put some limits on the output of a motor to be used by someone who isn't licensed.Eabhal said:
More broadly, it's mad that e-bikes are limited to 15mph (weigh 25kg) but cars (starting at 1,500kg) are not.kamski said:
The speed limit is only for the motor assist though, if you can accelerate beyond that by pedalling it's ok, but the motor should cut out.Pulpstar said:
If you’re thinking about getting an e-bike, you’ll need to understand the UK law for electric bikes. It’s legal to ride an e-bike in the UK without a licence, but only if it meets certain requirements: it must be pedal assist instead of ‘twist and go throttle’; and have a maximum power output of 250 watts, with a speed restriction of 15.5mph.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
What offense were the two "suspects" in this incident, suspected of committing?Sandpit said:
Yet the police continue to wonder why they have a recruitment problem. Chase suspects and get fired.TheScreamingEagles said:Two police officers in a marked van who followed two teenage boys on an electric bike before it crashed killing them both in Cardiff have been served with gross misconduct notices, the Independent Office for Police Conduct said
https://twitter.com/PA/status/1668612441746587651
It looked quicker than that to me so for starters -
Riding without a license, riding without insurance & riding without a helmet.
Between 2005 and 2018, 548 pedestrians were killed on pavements. 542 by drivers, 6 by cyclists.
If you want a motorbike, then you can get a motorbike license.0 -
From the coverage, because the police had been seen following them in the next road, and the footage was posted on social media, and probably people jumped to conclusions.tlg86 said:
In which case, what was all the rioting about?Chris said:
The police van had been following about two seconds behind the boys when filmed earlier. The reason it was further behind in that video was that the boys went the wrong way around a large roundabout, and the van lost time going to right way.tlg86 said:
Yes, it was utterly disgraceful.Sandpit said:
Is that what the BBC actually showed, with the 15-second cut in the middle?tlg86 said:The BBC's coverage of the death of the boys on the bike in Cardiff left a lot to be desired:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2hb67Gm8sM
But in any case, it's academic how far behind the police were at any point - except that the van had obviously been pursuing the boys - because (as far as I know) no one suggests the police were close behind at the time of the crash.
Accurate information was hard to come by at the time. It certainly wasn't coming from the police.0 -
If they lied to their superiors about the whether or not they were following those kids at the time, then gross misconduct sounds entirely appropriate. If two people die & you lie about your involvement, no matter how tangential, when interviewed by the police under caution, then it’s not going to go well for you is it?Sandpit said:
Yet the police continue to wonder why they have a recruitment problem. Chase suspects and get fired.TheScreamingEagles said:Two police officers in a marked van who followed two teenage boys on an electric bike before it crashed killing them both in Cardiff have been served with gross misconduct notices, the Independent Office for Police Conduct said
https://twitter.com/PA/status/1668612441746587651
Surely we have to hold the police to, at the very least, the standard we’d expect an ordinary member of the public to be held to in similar circumstances.1 -
Far off topic - and probably way to Woke for many hyper-sensitive, over-irritable PBers:
This past weekend, Joni Mitchell - the pride of Saskatoon, Saskatchewan - performed her first scheduled concert in many years, at the Gorge Amphitheatre, located in the middle of nowhere (or close enough) at George, Washington. (Yes, there IS
By a woman who, following her near-fatal brain aneurysm in 2015, had to relearn how to SPEAK, let alone sing.
Cannot tell you just how proud I am that my own state has hosted this iconic singer and songwriter, and her incredible persona AND performance.
Then - Big Yellow Taxi - Joni Mitchell (1970)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ratQlft_G5c
Now - Big Yellow Taxi - Joni & Friends (2023)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_0X6Rp_DsM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gorge_Amphitheatre
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There were almost no ‘e-bikes’ or ‘electric scooters’ in 2018. There’s now thousands of them, and they’re a menace.Eabhal said:
More broadly, it's mad that e-bikes are limited to 15mph (weigh 25kg) but cars (starting at 1,500kg) are not.kamski said:
The speed limit is only for the motor assist though, if you can accelerate beyond that by pedalling it's ok, but the motor should cut out.Pulpstar said:
If you’re thinking about getting an e-bike, you’ll need to understand the UK law for electric bikes. It’s legal to ride an e-bike in the UK without a licence, but only if it meets certain requirements: it must be pedal assist instead of ‘twist and go throttle’; and have a maximum power output of 250 watts, with a speed restriction of 15.5mph.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
What offense were the two "suspects" in this incident, suspected of committing?Sandpit said:
Yet the police continue to wonder why they have a recruitment problem. Chase suspects and get fired.TheScreamingEagles said:Two police officers in a marked van who followed two teenage boys on an electric bike before it crashed killing them both in Cardiff have been served with gross misconduct notices, the Independent Office for Police Conduct said
https://twitter.com/PA/status/1668612441746587651
It looked quicker than that to me so for starters -
Riding without a license, riding without insurance & riding without a helmet.
Between 2005 and 2018, 548 pedestrians were killed on pavements. 542 by drivers, 6 by cyclists.
I think the government should gently start pushing GPS speed limiters in the next generation of cars. Black boxes too, like in Teslas.0 -
Given 'No Deal Prep' was mainly about political gameplaying it's more likely to have hindered not helped as regards the pandemic. So it looks like I agree with Hugo Keith.bondegezou said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-65876922?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=64885d84c408bd3c18cbc288&Did Brexit damage pandemic planning?&2023-06-13T12:45:00.706Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:886017fb-228f-48f4-ab23-43e762a26963&pinned_post_asset_id=64885d84c408bd3c18cbc288&pinned_post_type=sharekinabalu said:
On the grounds (I'm guessing) that it sucked attention and energy away from all else.Andy_JS said:One of the lawyers at the Covid Inquiry has just invoked "the effects of Brexit" as one of the factors.
Did Brexit damage pandemic planning?
Jim Reed
Health reporter, BBC News
In his opening address Hugo Keith KC, the lead lawyer to the inquiry, did not shy away from difficult political questions.
The issue of Brexit and whether leaving the EU might have distracted politicians and civil servants from planning for the next pandemic is something victims’ groups have raised in the past.
Keith said that from 2018 onwards that departure and, in particular, planning for a possible no-deal Brexit, required an “enormous amount” of preparations to address “food and medicine supplies, travel and transport, business and borders and so on”.
“Did the attention paid to the risks of a no-deal exit, Operation Yellowhammer as it was known, drain the resources and capacity that should have been continuing the fight against the next pandemic?” he asked.
“Or did all that generic and operational planning, in fact lead to people being better trained and well-marshalled and in fact better prepared to deal with Covid...
Quote Message: My lady, on the evidence so far, and it will be a matter for you, we very much fear that it was the former.” from Hugo Keith KC Lead lawyer to the inquiry
My lady, on the evidence so far, and it will be a matter for you, we very much fear that it was the former.”
Hugo Keith KC
Lead lawyer to the inquiry0 -
LOL good answer.HYUFD said:
Then you turn full Old Testament God as he drowned the Egyptians in their chariots to protect the Jews!TOPPING said:
What if your wife is about to be killed by 20 Nazis, you are 20 yards away and have a gun. What's your next move?HYUFD said:
Then you haven't committed to Christ as he told you to love your neighbour as yourself, not to kill them.TOPPING said:
What if you commit to Christ and you murder your wife?HYUFD said:
If you commit to Christ you have a place in heaven yesRichard_Nabavi said:
That is rather contradicted by John 14:6, though.Nigel_Foremain said:
Without wishing to sound too much like HYUFD, I believe the standard answer to this by all but the most extreme of Christian fundamentalists is when Christ is reported to have said "My father's house has many rooms", which may just have been him bragging that his dad had a big place, but I believe it is interpreted as saying if you live a good and spiritual life you have a place in heaven.
He also upheld the Ten Commandments laws of Moses ie including not to kill1 -
And then again: "... he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one. ... So they said, “Lord, look, here are two swords.” And He said to them, “It is enough.”" (Luke 22:36-38).bondegezou said:
“Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword” (Matthew 26:52)TOPPING said:
What if your wife is about to be killed by 20 Nazis, you are 20 yards away and have a gun. What's your next move?HYUFD said:
Then you haven't committed to Christ as he told you to love your neighbour as yourself, not to kill them.TOPPING said:
What if you commit to Christ and you murder your wife?HYUFD said:
If you commit to Christ you have a place in heaven yesRichard_Nabavi said:
That is rather contradicted by John 14:6, though.Nigel_Foremain said:
Without wishing to sound too much like HYUFD, I believe the standard answer to this by all but the most extreme of Christian fundamentalists is when Christ is reported to have said "My father's house has many rooms", which may just have been him bragging that his dad had a big place, but I believe it is interpreted as saying if you live a good and spiritual life you have a place in heaven.
He also upheld the Ten Commandments laws of Moses ie including not to kill1 -
You're off your trolley.Farooq said:What if there's a trolley heading towards your wife, and you can pull a level that will divert the trolley to a branch line where it will kill three Nazis. But it turns out your wife is a Nazi too, and one of the three branch-line Nazis is pregnant. But it was an incest rape and she prays every day. And your wife, well she makes graven images.
What then? WHAT THEN?3 -
The actual write up beneath the headline doesn’t tell us anything new, but is still not as OTT than the very wrong headed headline. It definitely won’t go as far as 5.75, it probably won’t reach 5.5. Nor do the markets think we have lost control of inflation, if they did they would be acting already.TheScreamingEagles said:
Poor Rishi, halving inflation is going well.viewcode said:Bank of England to hoist interest rates to 5.75 per cent as experts warn UK inflation is out of control - City AM, 2023-06-13 10:22 AM
https://www.cityam.com/bank-of-england-to-hoist-interest-rates-to-5-75-per-cent-as-experts-warn-uk-inflation-is-out-of-control/
The truth in my opinion, Hunt and BoE want the markets to hear of such resolve, hear it at least 3 times a day, so probably slip the media these stories themselves. In my opinion inflation will be below 5 in the new year, so a success for Rishi Sunak. But a limited success in inflation at 5% doesn’t mean problems gone away, the next round of pay deals will need to be around 5% inflation.
This article seems to suggest Pay is responsible for underlying inflation going up. Truth is wage growth has been high. But there could also be other factors such as price gouging which Hunt and BoE don’t wish the media to flag up.
So many PBers, brains addled with too much freemarket ideology, post about UK better than expected growth and better than expected wage growth as though these things are always good in all situations. This is where PB free marketeers don’t understand the important subtleties of Thatcherism. Growth during overheating and high inflation is not great news if it means gains just getting eaten up by inflation so arn’t real gain at all.
If it sounds like I am calling quite a lot of PBs and their “growth and wage growth, lovely jubbly” posts stupid and naive in this situation, the truth is, I am.0 -
I wonder if it was partially burn-out from dealing with too many old ladies. Not being short of numbers, just wondering what the point of propping them all up was (which is another question, but should be tackled directly rather than just letting them rot in the corner). Even someone who starts out with good intentions could eventually lose motivation without leadership.NerysHughes said:
As someone whose wife and daughter are nurses, what you are describing is not uncommon. Unfortunately the Thursday night clap and NHS hero stuff has only exacebrated the situation.Flatlander said:
Had a recent encounter with the NHS via mother in law and it was ... not good.Nigel_Foremain said:
Most obvious and perhaps hyperbolic example, but the idea that all NHS staff are of the highest quality and that the "QC" system is beyond reproach requires a level of naivety only held by those who believe that the NHS is "the envy of the world".Carnyx said:
25 years ago, though. Would be even worse than our PBTories going on about Messrs Corbyn, Brown, etc.Nigel_Foremain said:
Harold Shipman says hiCarnyx said:
OTOH, there are rather more training and ongoing quality control for the one career than the others.Nigel_Foremain said:
It is a good post, and I think you have nailed it to some extent. Basically people like the elites that they like or approve of, and loathe those that they don't. Hence it is possible for left leaning people to be massively supine and obsequious to someone because they are a doctor who works for the NHS, even if he (as many have) been educated at Eton, while railing against the terrible elitism of an individual who went to a minor public school who is a hedge fund manager or Tory politician.WhisperingOracle said:
That depends which kinds of elite, I would say. British TV has been dumbed down, partly, and for instance, because of what could be described as anti-elitist arguments during the 1990's, from what I also suppose one could describe as 'chippy populists' like Rupert Murdoch, and Tory politicians from a similar background supporting him.Nigel_Foremain said:
Yea, great idea, let us just dumb down everything. The human eco-system needs elites, being chippy about Eton or Harrow doesn't change that. Why do you think so many working class and middle class parents boast about their children "going into medicine"? It is because being a doctor is seen as being in the elite. Whether medicine is an elite, or even whether it should be is by the by. It is seen as such.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Elitist institution produces elitists shocker. It's just a finishing school for chancers and sociopaths. We'd be better off without it.Theuniondivvie said:A Boris Johnson mea culpa!
Not from the great man himself obviously.
We need elites. Railing against that reality is just socialist chippy bollox.
On the other hand, particularly since the 1980's, Eton has seemed to me to be more often promoting, like a few other schools, much more often an elitist ethos of wealth, power and privilege, than service, culture or intellect, as in the letter from the sadly regretful Etonian teacher below, and as was quoted in the Times.
It is all best described as irrational hypocrisy.
I won't go into the gory details but I have it on good authority from external sources that the ward in question is known to have a poor culture.
The only time the nurses appeared to be doing any actual nursing was when a relief shift of Nigerians turned up at the weekend. The rest of the time they were going through the motions, whether appropriate to the patient or not.
Though they did find time to discuss at length the best source of Prosecco from behind the desk whilst failing to feed their inmates (not joking).
Would they be better if we paid them 20% more? I'm not sure they would.
How often do nurses get rotated between wards?
You are right though, if we do too much clapping we stop asking questions.0 -
Bendicks >>>>>>>> After Eights.WhisperingOracle said:
Was it like a refreshing After Eight. Those can be surprisingly good before bed, like a pillowingly melty drink, in themselves.Leon said:I just eagerly unwrapped my hotel pillow-chocolate and discovered it’s actually a mint
The disappointment is surprisingly severe
What happened to After Eights, in fact.0 -
I've not seen the other film. To be sure - you are not referring to the BBC doctored version?Chris said:
The police van had been following about two seconds behind the boys when filmed earlier. The reason it was further behind in that video was that the boys went the wrong way around a large roundabout, and the van lost time going to right way.tlg86 said:
Yes, it was utterly disgraceful.Sandpit said:
Is that what the BBC actually showed, with the 15-second cut in the middle?tlg86 said:The BBC's coverage of the death of the boys on the bike in Cardiff left a lot to be desired:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2hb67Gm8sM
But in any case, it's academic how far behind the police were at any point - except that the van had obviously been pursuing the boys - because (as far as I know) no one suggests the police were close behind at the time of the crash.
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Penny Mordaunt seems to have bought both the sword and her garment. Some people are just naturally greedy.Chris said:
And then again: "... he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one. ... So they said, “Lord, look, here are two swords.” And He said to them, “It is enough.”" (Luke 22:36-38).bondegezou said:
“Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword” (Matthew 26:52)TOPPING said:
What if your wife is about to be killed by 20 Nazis, you are 20 yards away and have a gun. What's your next move?HYUFD said:
Then you haven't committed to Christ as he told you to love your neighbour as yourself, not to kill them.TOPPING said:
What if you commit to Christ and you murder your wife?HYUFD said:
If you commit to Christ you have a place in heaven yesRichard_Nabavi said:
That is rather contradicted by John 14:6, though.Nigel_Foremain said:
Without wishing to sound too much like HYUFD, I believe the standard answer to this by all but the most extreme of Christian fundamentalists is when Christ is reported to have said "My father's house has many rooms", which may just have been him bragging that his dad had a big place, but I believe it is interpreted as saying if you live a good and spiritual life you have a place in heaven.
He also upheld the Ten Commandments laws of Moses ie including not to kill3 -
They should certainly be committed somewhere.bondegezou said:
How is Suella Braverman's approach compatible with loving your neighbour? Presumably anyone who supports Braverman cannot have truly committed to Christ either.HYUFD said:
Then you haven't committed to Christ as he told you to love your neighbour as yourself, not to kill them.TOPPING said:
What if you commit to Christ and you murder your wife?HYUFD said:
If you commit to Christ you have a place in heaven yesRichard_Nabavi said:
That is rather contradicted by John 14:6, though.Nigel_Foremain said:
Without wishing to sound too much like HYUFD, I believe the standard answer to this by all but the most extreme of Christian fundamentalists is when Christ is reported to have said "My father's house has many rooms", which may just have been him bragging that his dad had a big place, but I believe it is interpreted as saying if you live a good and spiritual life you have a place in heaven.
He also upheld the Ten Commandments laws of Moses ie including not to kill0 -
I think I can answer but to check a point about the wife first. Did you marry her in church or was it just a civil ceremony?Farooq said:What if there's a trolley heading towards your wife, and you can pull a level that will divert the trolley to a branch line where it will kill three Nazis. But it turns out your wife is a Nazi too, and one of the three branch-line Nazis is pregnant. But it was an incest rape and she prays every day. And your wife, well she makes graven images.
What then? WHAT THEN?1 -
https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/252204546WhisperingOracle said:
Was it like a refreshing After Eight. Those can be surprisingly good before bed, like a pillowingly melty drink, in themselves.Leon said:I just eagerly unwrapped my hotel pillow-chocolate and discovered it’s actually a mint
The disappointment is surprisingly severe
What happened to After Eights, in fact.1 -
I try my best to project that image. Hope you like it.Chris said:
Are you a saloon-bar ignoramus tribute act?Sandpit said:
No.Chris said:
Oh. You don't have the excuse of ignorance, apparently.Sandpit said:
The police vehicle wasn’t involved in the accident, and was quite some distance away at the time.Farooq said:
Be involved in the deaths of two kids, get investigatedSandpit said:
Yet the police continue to wonder why they have a recruitment problem. Chase suspects and get fired.TheScreamingEagles said:Two police officers in a marked van who followed two teenage boys on an electric bike before it crashed killing them both in Cardiff have been served with gross misconduct notices, the Independent Office for Police Conduct said
https://twitter.com/PA/status/1668612441746587651
Doesn't sound quite so unfair now, does it?
My understanding was that the suspects took a footpath between two roads, that the police van couldn’t follow them down, and were involved in a collision at the other end of the footpath where it met another road.
The problems in which case being the design of the footpath, and the availability of overpowered electric scooters which need to be licenced as motorbikes - and very little to do with the two police officers involved.
This is a repeat of the phone theft gangs a few years ago, before Apple made stolen phones un-useable. The police got told to back off chasing suspects, in case the suspect got injured. With the result that the gangs were granted total immunity to keep mugging people across London.0 -
It's possible they were trying to find them given the distance between the vehicles, and just happened to be heading in the correct direction.Phil said:
If they lied to their superiors about the whether or not they were following those kids at the time, then gross misconduct sounds entirely appropriate. If two people die & you lie about your involvement, no matter how tangential, when interviewed by the police under caution, then it’s not going to go well for you is it?Sandpit said:
Yet the police continue to wonder why they have a recruitment problem. Chase suspects and get fired.TheScreamingEagles said:Two police officers in a marked van who followed two teenage boys on an electric bike before it crashed killing them both in Cardiff have been served with gross misconduct notices, the Independent Office for Police Conduct said
https://twitter.com/PA/status/1668612441746587651
Surely we have to hold the police to, at the very least, the standard we’d expect an ordinary member of the public to be held to in similar circumstances.
I suspect it's also well possible their superiors said they weren't following without checking with the officers involved and they got bounced into saying they weren't following.
The investigation should find out anyway but it'll be two (more) officers on long term sick I suspect with the stress of it all.1 -
That's what I said. They were about two seconds behind when they were filmed earlier. They were further behind in the BBC video.turbotubbs said:
I've not seen the other film. To be sure - you are not referring to the BBC doctored version?Chris said:
The police van had been following about two seconds behind the boys when filmed earlier. The reason it was further behind in that video was that the boys went the wrong way around a large roundabout, and the van lost time going to right way.tlg86 said:
Yes, it was utterly disgraceful.Sandpit said:
Is that what the BBC actually showed, with the 15-second cut in the middle?tlg86 said:The BBC's coverage of the death of the boys on the bike in Cardiff left a lot to be desired:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2hb67Gm8sM
But in any case, it's academic how far behind the police were at any point - except that the van had obviously been pursuing the boys - because (as far as I know) no one suggests the police were close behind at the time of the crash.
And frankly it's very silly to call the BBC film "doctored" when it's perfectly obvious that there is a lapse of time between the two part.0 -
That was Big Yellow Taxi by Joni Mitchell, a song in which Joni complains they paved paradise to put up a parking lot, a measure which actually would have alleviated traffic congestion on the outskirts of paradise, something which Joni singularly fails to point out, perhaps because it doesn't quite fit in with her blinkered view of the world. Nevertheless, nice song.SeaShantyIrish2 said:Far off topic - and probably way to Woke for many hyper-sensitive, over-irritable PBers:
This past weekend, Joni Mitchell - the pride of Saskatoon, Saskatchewan - performed her first scheduled concert in many years, at the Gorge Amphitheatre, located in the middle of nowhere (or close enough) at George, Washington. (Yes, there IS
By a woman who, following her near-fatal brain aneurysm in 2015, had to relearn how to SPEAK, let alone sing.
Cannot tell you just how proud I am that my own state has hosted this iconic singer and songwriter, and her incredible persona AND performance.
Then - Big Yellow Taxi - Joni Mitchell (1970)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ratQlft_G5c
Now - Big Yellow Taxi - Joni & Friends (2023)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_0X6Rp_DsM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gorge_Amphitheatre
Seriously, though, very good to see.3 -
And which one? As we all know from the political news, at least one Christian sect does not recognise marriages made under other Christian sects.kinabalu said:
I think I can answer but to check a point about the wife first. Did you marry her in church or was it just a civil ceremony?Farooq said:What if there's a trolley heading towards your wife, and you can pull a level that will divert the trolley to a branch line where it will kill three Nazis. But it turns out your wife is a Nazi too, and one of the three branch-line Nazis is pregnant. But it was an incest rape and she prays every day. And your wife, well she makes graven images.
What then? WHAT THEN?1 -
No its not silly to call it doctored - it is doctored. Just show the video in full,Chris said:
That's what I said. They were about two seconds behind when they were filmed earlier. They were further behind in the BBC video.turbotubbs said:
I've not seen the other film. To be sure - you are not referring to the BBC doctored version?Chris said:
The police van had been following about two seconds behind the boys when filmed earlier. The reason it was further behind in that video was that the boys went the wrong way around a large roundabout, and the van lost time going to right way.tlg86 said:
Yes, it was utterly disgraceful.Sandpit said:
Is that what the BBC actually showed, with the 15-second cut in the middle?tlg86 said:The BBC's coverage of the death of the boys on the bike in Cardiff left a lot to be desired:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2hb67Gm8sM
But in any case, it's academic how far behind the police were at any point - except that the van had obviously been pursuing the boys - because (as far as I know) no one suggests the police were close behind at the time of the crash.
And frankly it's very silly to call the BBC film "doctored" when it's perfectly obvious that there is a lapse of time between the two part.
They didn't do this, partly because it is clear that the van at that time was a long way behind.1 -
This position requires believing that pandemic prep in Jan 2020 and pandemic prep in say Jan 2016 would be meaningfully different. The idea that we would have a genius world-beating pandemic reponse if it weren't for brexit is silly. We were caught on the hop by covid like most other countries. Doesn't mean lessons can't be learned, of course.kinabalu said:
Given 'No Deal Prep' was mainly about political gameplaying it's more likely to have hindered not helped as regards the pandemic. So it looks like I agree with Hugo Keith.bondegezou said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-65876922?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=64885d84c408bd3c18cbc288&Did Brexit damage pandemic planning?&2023-06-13T12:45:00.706Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:886017fb-228f-48f4-ab23-43e762a26963&pinned_post_asset_id=64885d84c408bd3c18cbc288&pinned_post_type=sharekinabalu said:
On the grounds (I'm guessing) that it sucked attention and energy away from all else.Andy_JS said:One of the lawyers at the Covid Inquiry has just invoked "the effects of Brexit" as one of the factors.
Did Brexit damage pandemic planning?
Jim Reed
Health reporter, BBC News
In his opening address Hugo Keith KC, the lead lawyer to the inquiry, did not shy away from difficult political questions.
The issue of Brexit and whether leaving the EU might have distracted politicians and civil servants from planning for the next pandemic is something victims’ groups have raised in the past.
Keith said that from 2018 onwards that departure and, in particular, planning for a possible no-deal Brexit, required an “enormous amount” of preparations to address “food and medicine supplies, travel and transport, business and borders and so on”.
“Did the attention paid to the risks of a no-deal exit, Operation Yellowhammer as it was known, drain the resources and capacity that should have been continuing the fight against the next pandemic?” he asked.
“Or did all that generic and operational planning, in fact lead to people being better trained and well-marshalled and in fact better prepared to deal with Covid...
Quote Message: My lady, on the evidence so far, and it will be a matter for you, we very much fear that it was the former.” from Hugo Keith KC Lead lawyer to the inquiry
My lady, on the evidence so far, and it will be a matter for you, we very much fear that it was the former.”
Hugo Keith KC
Lead lawyer to the inquiry1 -
Eh?? Seriously, I thought the Victorians were really against that? A case of picking the bits you like?Farooq said:
Neither. I inherited her from my brother after he died. Like the Bible says should happen.kinabalu said:
I think I can answer but to check a point about the wife first. Did you marry her in church or was it just a civil ceremony?Farooq said:What if there's a trolley heading towards your wife, and you can pull a level that will divert the trolley to a branch line where it will kill three Nazis. But it turns out your wife is a Nazi too, and one of the three branch-line Nazis is pregnant. But it was an incest rape and she prays every day. And your wife, well she makes graven images.
What then? WHAT THEN?
https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/49722/65-year-battle-over-deceased-wifes-sisters-marriage-act0 -
For those who aren't aware of the other CCTV footage showing the van close behind the boys, clips can be seen here, for example (though I don't think the map at the beginningn is quite accurate as to the route):Chris said:
That's what I said. They were about two seconds behind when they were filmed earlier. They were further behind in the BBC video.turbotubbs said:
I've not seen the other film. To be sure - you are not referring to the BBC doctored version?Chris said:
The police van had been following about two seconds behind the boys when filmed earlier. The reason it was further behind in that video was that the boys went the wrong way around a large roundabout, and the van lost time going to right way.tlg86 said:
Yes, it was utterly disgraceful.Sandpit said:
Is that what the BBC actually showed, with the 15-second cut in the middle?tlg86 said:The BBC's coverage of the death of the boys on the bike in Cardiff left a lot to be desired:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2hb67Gm8sM
But in any case, it's academic how far behind the police were at any point - except that the van had obviously been pursuing the boys - because (as far as I know) no one suggests the police were close behind at the time of the crash.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/may/24/cardiff-cctv-footage-seems-to-show-police-following-e-bike-just-before-crash0 -
Did you remember to get the £1 coin out of the handle?Farooq said:
I'm just asking the questions that all of us are thinking.williamglenn said:
You're off your trolley.Farooq said:What if there's a trolley heading towards your wife, and you can pull a level that will divert the trolley to a branch line where it will kill three Nazis. But it turns out your wife is a Nazi too, and one of the three branch-line Nazis is pregnant. But it was an incest rape and she prays every day. And your wife, well she makes graven images.
What then? WHAT THEN?5 -
Utterly ridiculous.turbotubbs said:
No its not silly to call it doctored - it is doctored. Just show the video in full,Chris said:
That's what I said. They were about two seconds behind when they were filmed earlier. They were further behind in the BBC video.turbotubbs said:
I've not seen the other film. To be sure - you are not referring to the BBC doctored version?Chris said:
The police van had been following about two seconds behind the boys when filmed earlier. The reason it was further behind in that video was that the boys went the wrong way around a large roundabout, and the van lost time going to right way.tlg86 said:
Yes, it was utterly disgraceful.Sandpit said:
Is that what the BBC actually showed, with the 15-second cut in the middle?tlg86 said:The BBC's coverage of the death of the boys on the bike in Cardiff left a lot to be desired:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2hb67Gm8sM
But in any case, it's academic how far behind the police were at any point - except that the van had obviously been pursuing the boys - because (as far as I know) no one suggests the police were close behind at the time of the crash.
And frankly it's very silly to call the BBC film "doctored" when it's perfectly obvious that there is a lapse of time between the two part.0 -
God smiles on results.Farooq said:What if there's a trolley heading towards your wife, and you can pull a level that will divert the trolley to a branch line where it will kill three Nazis. But it turns out your wife is a Nazi too, and one of the three branch-line Nazis is pregnant. But it was an incest rape and she prays every day. And your wife, well she makes graven images.
What then? WHAT THEN?0 -
The Queen is dead, long live the King Singers!tlg86 said:
That was Big Yellow Taxi by Joni Mitchell, a song in which Joni complains they paved paradise to put up a parking lot, a measure which actually would have alleviated traffic congestion on the outskirts of paradise, something which Joni singularly fails to point out, perhaps because it doesn't quite fit in with her blinkered view of the world. Nevertheless, nice song.SeaShantyIrish2 said:Far off topic - and probably way to Woke for many hyper-sensitive, over-irritable PBers:
This past weekend, Joni Mitchell - the pride of Saskatoon, Saskatchewan - performed her first scheduled concert in many years, at the Gorge Amphitheatre, located in the middle of nowhere (or close enough) at George, Washington. (Yes, there IS
By a woman who, following her near-fatal brain aneurysm in 2015, had to relearn how to SPEAK, let alone sing.
Cannot tell you just how proud I am that my own state has hosted this iconic singer and songwriter, and her incredible persona AND performance.
Then - Big Yellow Taxi - Joni Mitchell (1970)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ratQlft_G5c
Now - Big Yellow Taxi - Joni & Friends (2023)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_0X6Rp_DsM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gorge_Amphitheatre
Seriously, though, very good to see.2 -
It's an interesting point. Must you truly have faith in order to commit to Christ or can you fake it? I'd say the former. This means, when you think about it, that most people who say they are Christians probably really aren't. Because you can't intuit or logic your way to faith. My sense is only a minority of Christians genuinely have faith and these are the ones who have had an 'experience' (a real one, not a confected one) which has brought them into contact with God or what they take to be God. They've seen His face and (hence) they're a believer.HYUFD said:
Then you haven't committed to Christ as he told you to love your neighbour as yourself, not to kill them.TOPPING said:
What if you commit to Christ and you murder your wife?HYUFD said:
If you commit to Christ you have a place in heaven yesRichard_Nabavi said:
That is rather contradicted by John 14:6, though.Nigel_Foremain said:
Without wishing to sound too much like HYUFD, I believe the standard answer to this by all but the most extreme of Christian fundamentalists is when Christ is reported to have said "My father's house has many rooms", which may just have been him bragging that his dad had a big place, but I believe it is interpreted as saying if you live a good and spiritual life you have a place in heaven.
He also upheld the Ten Commandments laws of Moses ie including not to kill0 -
The was a big pandemic preparedness report on Heath Secretary Jeremy Hunt’s desk in 2016. Whatever happened to that?carnforth said:
This position requires believing that pandemic prep in Jan 2020 and pandemic prep in say Jan 2016 would be meaningfully different. The idea that we would have a genius world-beating pandemic reponse if it weren't for brexit is silly. We were caught on the hop by covid like most other countries. Doesn't mean lessons can't be learned, of course.kinabalu said:
Given 'No Deal Prep' was mainly about political gameplaying it's more likely to have hindered not helped as regards the pandemic. So it looks like I agree with Hugo Keith.bondegezou said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-65876922?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=64885d84c408bd3c18cbc288&Did Brexit damage pandemic planning?&2023-06-13T12:45:00.706Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:886017fb-228f-48f4-ab23-43e762a26963&pinned_post_asset_id=64885d84c408bd3c18cbc288&pinned_post_type=sharekinabalu said:
On the grounds (I'm guessing) that it sucked attention and energy away from all else.Andy_JS said:One of the lawyers at the Covid Inquiry has just invoked "the effects of Brexit" as one of the factors.
Did Brexit damage pandemic planning?
Jim Reed
Health reporter, BBC News
In his opening address Hugo Keith KC, the lead lawyer to the inquiry, did not shy away from difficult political questions.
The issue of Brexit and whether leaving the EU might have distracted politicians and civil servants from planning for the next pandemic is something victims’ groups have raised in the past.
Keith said that from 2018 onwards that departure and, in particular, planning for a possible no-deal Brexit, required an “enormous amount” of preparations to address “food and medicine supplies, travel and transport, business and borders and so on”.
“Did the attention paid to the risks of a no-deal exit, Operation Yellowhammer as it was known, drain the resources and capacity that should have been continuing the fight against the next pandemic?” he asked.
“Or did all that generic and operational planning, in fact lead to people being better trained and well-marshalled and in fact better prepared to deal with Covid...
Quote Message: My lady, on the evidence so far, and it will be a matter for you, we very much fear that it was the former.” from Hugo Keith KC Lead lawyer to the inquiry
My lady, on the evidence so far, and it will be a matter for you, we very much fear that it was the former.”
Hugo Keith KC
Lead lawyer to the inquiry0 -
Reflash the ESC with a torrented image to uncork the hot sauce. I've done a few. FTP.Eabhal said:
It's probably the former but a Dura Ace type figure has fiddled with the electronics.Pulpstar said:
If you’re thinking about getting an e-bike, you’ll need to understand the UK law for electric bikes. It’s legal to ride an e-bike in the UK without a licence, but only if it meets certain requirements: it must be pedal assist instead of ‘twist and go throttle’; and have a maximum power output of 250 watts, with a speed restriction of 15.5mph.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
What offense were the two "suspects" in this incident, suspected of committing?Sandpit said:
Yet the police continue to wonder why they have a recruitment problem. Chase suspects and get fired.TheScreamingEagles said:Two police officers in a marked van who followed two teenage boys on an electric bike before it crashed killing them both in Cardiff have been served with gross misconduct notices, the Independent Office for Police Conduct said
https://twitter.com/PA/status/1668612441746587651
It looked quicker than that to me so for starters -
Riding without a license, riding without insurance & riding without a helmet.0 -
Maybe we are about to discover if you can - mildly - criticise Islam, after all
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-do-we-never-talk-about-islamic-slavery/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=16866533751 -
Amazing but true. On uniform swing, using the latest opinion polls, Labour are currently heading for 336 seats, just 10 more than they need for a majority. Peter Kellner said a few days ago that uniform swing is usually more reliable than proportional swing.
https://pollingreport.uk/polls0 -
Your interpretations are very literal, which I am sure is very comforting for you but not very nuanced, nor very satisfying for those who look for deeper meaning.HYUFD said:
If you commit to Christ you have a place in heaven yesRichard_Nabavi said:
That is rather contradicted by John 14:6, though.Nigel_Foremain said:
Without wishing to sound too much like HYUFD, I believe the standard answer to this by all but the most extreme of Christian fundamentalists is when Christ is reported to have said "My father's house has many rooms", which may just have been him bragging that his dad had a big place, but I believe it is interpreted as saying if you live a good and spiritual life you have a place in heaven.0 -
I remember a lot of articles about the Islamic slavery of schoolgirls in Nigeria by Boko Haram.Leon said:Maybe we are about to discover if you can - mildly - criticise Islam, after all
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-do-we-never-talk-about-islamic-slavery/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1686653375
But perhaps that doesn't count.0 -
How many Brits realise that Barbary pirates would seize entire Cornish villages - for slavery - as late as the 17/18th century?rcs1000 said:
I remember a lot of articles about the Islamic slavery of schoolgirls in Nigeria by Boko Haram.Leon said:Maybe we are about to discover if you can - mildly - criticise Islam, after all
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-do-we-never-talk-about-islamic-slavery/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1686653375
But perhaps that doesn't count.2 -
Most will regularly have doubts. Those who claim they do not are either lying or mad.kinabalu said:
It's an interesting point. Must you truly have faith in order to commit to Christ or can you fake it? I'd say the former. This means, when you think about it, that most people who say they are Christians probably really aren't. Because you can't intuit or logic your way to faith. My sense is only a minority of Christians genuinely have faith and these are the ones who have had an 'experience' (a real one, not a confected one) which has brought them into contact with God or what they take to be God. They've seen His face and (hence) they're a believer.HYUFD said:
Then you haven't committed to Christ as he told you to love your neighbour as yourself, not to kill them.TOPPING said:
What if you commit to Christ and you murder your wife?HYUFD said:
If you commit to Christ you have a place in heaven yesRichard_Nabavi said:
That is rather contradicted by John 14:6, though.Nigel_Foremain said:
Without wishing to sound too much like HYUFD, I believe the standard answer to this by all but the most extreme of Christian fundamentalists is when Christ is reported to have said "My father's house has many rooms", which may just have been him bragging that his dad had a big place, but I believe it is interpreted as saying if you live a good and spiritual life you have a place in heaven.
He also upheld the Ten Commandments laws of Moses ie including not to kill0 -
Blue tablet?Cookie said:
I once - in a hotel in Bruges - eagerly unwrapped my hotel pillow chocolate and was disappointed and bemused to find that it appeared actually to be a sleeping pill.Leon said:I just eagerly unwrapped my hotel pillow-chocolate and discovered it’s actually a mint
The disappointment is surprisingly severe
I didn't use it.
The hotel also had the slowest and smallest lift I have ever been in. Two people could fit in it, but not if they had any luggage.
It may not have been a sleeping pill.0 -
The sinister imagery of "a Dura Ace type figure" did make me laugh.
Going to take the baffle out of the exhaust on my new M1000RR now.1 -
Nobody sane believes that absent Brexit we'd have been all fully prepped and chanting "come and have a go if you think you're hard enough" at Covid when it first reared its ugly head. But you don't have to believe that to think (as Hugo and I do) that it more likely hindered than helped.carnforth said:
This position requires believing that pandemic prep in Jan 2020 and pandemic prep in say Jan 2016 would be meaningfully different. The idea that we would have a genius world-beating pandemic reponse if it weren't for brexit is silly. We were caught on the hop by covid like most other countries. Doesn't mean lessons can't be learned, of course.kinabalu said:
Given 'No Deal Prep' was mainly about political gameplaying it's more likely to have hindered not helped as regards the pandemic. So it looks like I agree with Hugo Keith.bondegezou said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-65876922?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=64885d84c408bd3c18cbc288&Did Brexit damage pandemic planning?&2023-06-13T12:45:00.706Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:886017fb-228f-48f4-ab23-43e762a26963&pinned_post_asset_id=64885d84c408bd3c18cbc288&pinned_post_type=sharekinabalu said:
On the grounds (I'm guessing) that it sucked attention and energy away from all else.Andy_JS said:One of the lawyers at the Covid Inquiry has just invoked "the effects of Brexit" as one of the factors.
Did Brexit damage pandemic planning?
Jim Reed
Health reporter, BBC News
In his opening address Hugo Keith KC, the lead lawyer to the inquiry, did not shy away from difficult political questions.
The issue of Brexit and whether leaving the EU might have distracted politicians and civil servants from planning for the next pandemic is something victims’ groups have raised in the past.
Keith said that from 2018 onwards that departure and, in particular, planning for a possible no-deal Brexit, required an “enormous amount” of preparations to address “food and medicine supplies, travel and transport, business and borders and so on”.
“Did the attention paid to the risks of a no-deal exit, Operation Yellowhammer as it was known, drain the resources and capacity that should have been continuing the fight against the next pandemic?” he asked.
“Or did all that generic and operational planning, in fact lead to people being better trained and well-marshalled and in fact better prepared to deal with Covid...
Quote Message: My lady, on the evidence so far, and it will be a matter for you, we very much fear that it was the former.” from Hugo Keith KC Lead lawyer to the inquiry
My lady, on the evidence so far, and it will be a matter for you, we very much fear that it was the former.”
Hugo Keith KC
Lead lawyer to the inquiry0 -
Yes, it’s a classic case of legislation failing to keep up with the technology.Dura_Ace said:
Reflash the ESC with a torrented image to uncork the hot sauce. I've done a few. FTP.Eabhal said:
It's probably the former but a Dura Ace type figure has fiddled with the electronics.Pulpstar said:
If you’re thinking about getting an e-bike, you’ll need to understand the UK law for electric bikes. It’s legal to ride an e-bike in the UK without a licence, but only if it meets certain requirements: it must be pedal assist instead of ‘twist and go throttle’; and have a maximum power output of 250 watts, with a speed restriction of 15.5mph.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
What offense were the two "suspects" in this incident, suspected of committing?Sandpit said:
Yet the police continue to wonder why they have a recruitment problem. Chase suspects and get fired.TheScreamingEagles said:Two police officers in a marked van who followed two teenage boys on an electric bike before it crashed killing them both in Cardiff have been served with gross misconduct notices, the Independent Office for Police Conduct said
https://twitter.com/PA/status/1668612441746587651
It looked quicker than that to me so for starters -
Riding without a license, riding without insurance & riding without a helmet.
As with more tradional motor vehicles, the way forward is regulated importers, who can be required to take steps to prevent obvious modifications that circumvent the law. That, and compulsory registration of all motor vehicles with a motor rated at more than x kW.0
