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What no new separate thread for this?
Mark Hughes @MarkJHughes 36m36 minutes ago
ComRes poll for tomorrow's Sunday Mirror
#Labour 31% -3
#Conservative 29% -2
#UKIP 24% +6%
Liberal Democrats 7% n/c
Green 5% +1%
TSE gone off in a huff. I said earlier that if UKIP reached 25+ on a prompted poll he would piss himself. Well not quite floating but sulking, no doubt.0 -
They can go back but only if they want to, not because the likes of you want them to.Ninoinoz said:
In which case, they can go back.surbiton said:
Immigrants choose to come themselves. They are risk takers. Giving up whatever little they have for an..........uncertain life which they hope will be much better. In many cases, it is not.ZenPagan said:
Import is exactly the right word to use for immigrants because they are imported for the benefit of business. Much the same as we are no longer employees but human resources.SouthamObserver said:
If Socrates did not mean to use the word import when he wrote it he can let us know. The fact is that import is a term that usually applies to goods and services.isam said:
Socrates is Lord Freud, and Southam is Angela Eagle!SouthamObserver said:
Import? You import goods and services. Does Socrates regard immigrants as somehow less than human? Of course, the immigrants arriving from EU countries do not get votes, while many immigrant communities in London are long-established.EPG said:
It's the left conning the liberals conning the metropolitans conning Labour conning the immigrants conning the left conning the (repeat ad infinitum; amend as required for left-wing false consciousness rant)Socrates said:Metropolitan liberals aren't even a majority in London. Its just the left have imported a hell of a lot of ethnic minorities that they have conned into believing you have the same beliefs.
Of course, refugees cannot go back until the disturbance that caused their flight is over. The Huguenots never returned, as Farage is evidence of.
Incidentally, I've purchased my Christmas cards from the Aid to Church in Need:
http://www.acnuk.org/products.php/577/the-flight-into-egypt
And, what has your Christmas cards purchase got to do with this ? Are you trying to tell us that in that heart of stone, there is a soft spot !0 -
Still keeping the Fishing Line on Mike?0
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Well, he did miss a division because he was drunk.isam said:Also rumours of residents of Rochester being phoned saying Reckless is a drunk!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10590725
But did Tories mention it when Reckless was a Conservative?0 -
It's also interesting that the UKIP prompted poll almost perfectly matches Survation's 10 October poll.david_herdson said:
Just for the record, 19% is an excellent score for UKIP with ComRes but it's not a record. They polled 20% on 10/4/14.isam said:
Yep, these record highs are a real disappointmentaudreyanne said:
See, for all the froth and breathlessness on pb that's hardly a massive UKIP breakthrough. It's only going to get tougher for them next year.TheScreamingEagles said:John Rentoul @JohnRentoul
ComRes for @IndyOnSunday & @thesundaymirror Lab 34 -1 Con 31 +2 UKIP 19 LD 7 Green 4
The 24% would be a record although as the methodology's different, it's not strictly comparable and in any case, isn't a published headline result so doesn't count in the same way. It'll be interesting to see if they adopt a 'four party named' approach from now on. They ought to given the support for UKIP in the country and the likely number of candidates to be fielded next year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#2014
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Ah - you've never been in Scotland then!isam said:
Yes of course, but they don't often wear rosettes of other parties so they are overheard sounding racist, and they don't accuse other parties of wanting to introduce gas chambersoldnat said:isam
What is definitely happening though, is a strong anti UKIP sentiment amongst political activists from other parties That's a sentiment really worth highlighting.
Obviously, when fitalass and I both excoriate SLab as being useless, self-interested, and with zero potential competence as a governing party, that's because we are in collusion.
The alternative (given that we also excoriate each other's party), is that political activists from every party exhibit sentiments against the other parties.0 -
He did famously fail to vote once because of being too drunk.isam said:Also rumours of residents of Rochester being phoned saying Reckless is a drunk!
If I was drunk at work, I would be suspended and up before the GMC. Reckless is apparently a man of great integrity despite being drunk at work, though Farage is famously also a boozer so maybe they can have some common interests.. These Westminster parties are all the same.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/105907250 -
Is Mr Evans standing again?Ninoinoz said:
Well, he did miss a division because he was drunk.isam said:Also rumours of residents of Rochester being phoned saying Reckless is a drunk!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10590725
But did Tories mention it when Reckless was a Conservative?
During his trial, one thing that did come across was that he seems to be an habitual drunk.0 -
Isam, in this forum, we've had posters claiming UKIP intends to carry out genocide against Muslims, intends to kill left-wingers, or is comparable to IS or the Khmer Rouge.
I'm not sure whether they believe such nonsense or if they're just trolling.0 -
Don't you think it's a bit disingenuous to quote from a manifesto from 4 years ago when the policy has changed since?foxinsoxuk said:
Except that flat tax was in the UKIP manifesto, and leading kippers such as Nuttal and Carswell have proposed breaking up the NHS.isam said:Richard_Tyndall said:
Nope because the localdavid_herdson said:
The figures do tend to bear it out though unless there was a massive LD-UKIP swing. Likewise, the net Con-Lab swing was only 2% which is far lower than would be expected in a normal by-election with Con defending and Lab in second.Richard_Tyndall said:
It also shows a profound ignorance of the Newark constituency.anotherDave said:
I love that Newark anti-UKIP meme. You can smell the desperation. :-)isam said:
But someone on here heard off someone else that in Newark there were tactical votes against UKIP, and we know that the primary purpose of this site is to analyse anecdotes from friends of friendsanotherDave said:
Election night 2015 is going to be a corker.Sean_F said:
28% of Conservatives would consider voting UKIP; 8% would consider voting Labour. 16% of Labour supporters would consider voting UKIP; 5% would consider voting Conservative.anotherDave said:
@TSECarlottaVance said:
Those silly Labour supporters have given the wrong answer! They're saying they'd rather vote UKIP than Conservative. Oafs!
I don't think UKIP will be suffering from tactical voting.
If PB.com add a swear box Mr Smithson will be able to buy a chocolate Nigella Lawson.
So what if the polls say different?
I am a bit sceptical of the supposed false flag kippers in Clacton McDonalds making anti Muslim comments, not least because in many parts of the country anti-Muslim comments would drive up the vote.
UKIP remain a wolf in sheeps clothing, with the major figures all being from the anti-welfare state right wing of the Conservative party.
Are Lib Dems canvassing on the promise of scrapping tuition fees?
Basically what you are saying is you wont listen to the current policies because you prefer to quote the ones that are no longer policies, and you don't believe it when someone who was in Clacton tells you what was going on in Clacton, because you'd prefer it not to be true
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There are drunks in all parties.
It is time the bars in Parliament were closed.0 -
This has a movie script in it surely? From The Mail RSS
Leaders of the Cologne-based Median Empire Motorcycle Club, which has strong Kurdish links, have posted images of their riders posing in the city - some of them carrying weapons.
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But no disciplinary action from the Conservative Whips?foxinsoxuk said:
He did famously fail to vote once because of being too drunk.isam said:Also rumours of residents of Rochester being phoned saying Reckless is a drunk!
If I was drunk at work, I would be suspended and up before the GMC. Reckless is apparently a man of great integrity despite being drunk at work, though Farage is famously also a boozer so maybe they can have some common interests.. These Westminster parties are all the same.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10590725
In any case, an MP is never "off-duty", even when asleep, so unless you want them teetotal you should accept that they can drink.0 -
Exactly so.Andy_Cooke said:
Interesting.TheScreamingEagles said:John Rentoul @JohnRentoul
ComRes for @IndyOnSunday & @thesundaymirror Lab 34 -1 Con 31 +2 UKIP 19 LD 7 Green 4 Half sample prompted w UKIP in Q: Lab 31 Con 29 UKIP 24
The drift was more from Lab to UKIP than Con to UKIP when prompted.
it could imply that while the first source for UKIP was primarily from former Cons, the next could actually be from Lab.
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Isn't that the 'four party prompt' half of the ConRes poll we've been discussing all evening?MikeK said:What no new separate thread for this?
Mark Hughes @MarkJHughes 36m36 minutes ago
ComRes poll for tomorrow's Sunday Mirror
#Labour 31% -3
#Conservative 29% -2
#UKIP 24% +6%
Liberal Democrats 7% n/c
Green 5% +1%
TSE gone off in a huff. I said earlier that if UKIP reached 25+ on a prompted poll he would piss himself. Well not quite floating but sulking, no doubt.0 -
It did take me quite some time to realise it was trolling to be honest, so gullible!Sean_F said:Isam, in this forum, we've had posters claiming UKIP intends to carry out genocide against Muslims, intends to kill left-wingers, or is comparable to IS or the Khmer Rouge.
I'm not sure whether they believe such nonsense or if they're just trolling.0 -
mhhhh - I wonder how many of the people who generate the wealth actually live in London.antifrank said:
If the provincials keep up their irrational hatred of hardworking Londoners and seek to impose insane policies on them that cripple the strongest part of Britain's economy, sooner or later London will lose its sense of historical obligation to the rest of the UK. And the surplus funds we currently transfer from London could be used profitably in improving the world's most vital city.Alanbrooke said:
well if you think of your relaives in the Province that way.......antifrank said:
I'm sure Londoners aren't popular with the sponging classes of the provinces. It is the lot of those that sustain the lotus eaters in their lifestyles to be disliked.Alanbrooke said:
so a bit like Londoners ?antifrank said:
Those who think that UKIP is The Voice Of Reason seem unable to understand that a lot of other people think that UKIP are complete fruitloops, and unpleasant ones at that.CarlottaVance said:
What polling evidence do you have that Lab voters think UKIP is "on the same spectrum as Tories"?Paul_Mid_Beds said:I know Labour supporters did that in some places to keep out the BNP. however again. Holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out Neonazis is one thing, holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out a party thats on the same spectrum as the Tories but not full of upper class twits is another
This suggests not:
Lab Voters think the party is extreme:
Con:,37
Lab: 84
In my small part of the organisation I work for less than 10% live in London.
Wonder who is on all those busy trains in the morning and evening.......
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Yes.david_herdson said:
Isn't that the 'four party prompt' half of the ConRes poll we've been discussing all evening?MikeK said:What no new separate thread for this?
Mark Hughes @MarkJHughes 36m36 minutes ago
ComRes poll for tomorrow's Sunday Mirror
#Labour 31% -3
#Conservative 29% -2
#UKIP 24% +6%
Liberal Democrats 7% n/c
Green 5% +1%
TSE gone off in a huff. I said earlier that if UKIP reached 25+ on a prompted poll he would piss himself. Well not quite floating but sulking, no doubt.
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You can try to argue and fight blind fanaticism, isam, but it'll be slow going and with Foxy it's slower than that.isam said:
Don't you think it's a bit disingenuous to quote from a manifesto from 4 years ago when the policy has changed since?foxinsoxuk said:
Except that flat tax was in the UKIP manifesto, and leading kippers such as Nuttal and Carswell have proposed breaking up the NHS.isam said:Richard_Tyndall said:
Nope because the localdavid_herdson said:
The figures do tend to bear it out though unless there was a massive LD-UKIP swing. Likewise, the net Con-Lab swing was only 2% which is far lower than would be expected in a normal by-election with Con defending and Lab in second.Richard_Tyndall said:
It also shows a profound ignorance of the Newark constituency.anotherDave said:
I love that Newark anti-UKIP meme. You can smell the desperation. :-)isam said:
But someone on here heard off someone else that in Newark there were tactical votes against UKIP, and we know that the primary purpose of this site is to analyse anecdotes from friends of friendsanotherDave said:
Election night 2015 is going to be a corker.Sean_F said:
28% of Conservatives would consider voting UKIP; 8% would consider voting Labour. 16% of Labour supporters would consider voting UKIP; 5% would consider voting Conservative.anotherDave said:
@TSECarlottaVance said:
Those silly Labour supporters have given the wrong answer! They're saying they'd rather vote UKIP than Conservative. Oafs!
I don't think UKIP will be suffering from tactical voting.
If PB.com add a swear box Mr Smithson will be able to buy a chocolate Nigella Lawson.
So what if the polls say different?
I am a bit sceptical of the supposed false flag kippers in Clacton McDonalds making anti Muslim comments, not least because in many parts of the country anti-Muslim comments would drive up the vote.
UKIP remain a wolf in sheeps clothing, with the major figures all being from the anti-welfare state right wing of the Conservative party.
Are Lib Dems canvassing on the promise of scrapping tuition fees?
Basically what you are saying is you wont listen to the current policies because you prefer to quote the ones that are no longer policies, and you don't believe it when someone who was in Clacton tells you what was going on in Clacton, because you'd prefer it not to be true
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And in the most easily predictable news ever Rotherham council have been forced to admit they gave Joyce Thacker a big payoff:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29674059
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It looks like more electricity has been delivered to the grid from wind turbines than nuclear power stations for all of the last 24 hours too: http://gridwatch.templar.co.uk/anotherDave said:The Greens look like they're on for a good year.
21% of current-Lab, and 26% of current-LD, and 8% of current-Con could be persuaded to vote Green.
This is partly because of the Atlantic low currently bringing strong winds, but also because a few of the ever-so-reliable nuclear power plants are powered down for unscheduled maintenance.0 -
Say they are going to UKIP, seemed fairly set on it as well.anotherDave said:
And do they intend to vote labour in 2015, or are they saying they won't vote?woody662 said:
Labour 2010 votersanotherDave said:
By ex-Labour voters, do you mean not intending to vote?woody662 said:Interesting morning canvassing in a marginal Labour Council ward today. A fair few UKIP switchers but mainly ex Labour voters.
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Farage signed off the manifesto in 2010 and advocated a flat tax. Pointing out peoples past history is political fair game. If the kippers want to be a parliamentary party then they are going to have to be used to having their previous utterances scrutinised, and their drinking habits.
The Hope not Hate campaigners that I have seen could not easily pass for kippers.0 -
ENP 4.1MikeK said:What no new separate thread for this?
Mark Hughes @MarkJHughes 36m36 minutes ago
ComRes poll for tomorrow's Sunday Mirror
#Labour 31% -3
#Conservative 29% -2
#UKIP 24% +6%
Liberal Democrats 7% n/c
Green 5% +1%
TSE gone off in a huff. I said earlier that if UKIP reached 25+ on a prompted poll he would piss himself. Well not quite floating but sulking, no doubt.
Cripes, at this rate UKIP will win a majority by May!
The risk of a 1920s-style dropout for one of the big two may also concentrate minds on the advantages of PR..0 -
Are they the ones who pretended to be outraged Romanians?foxinsoxuk said:
Farage signed off the manifesto in 2010 and advocated a flat tax. Pointing out peoples past history is political fair game. If the kippers want to be a parliamentary party then they are going to have to be used to having their previous utterances scrutinised, and their drinking habits.
The Hope not Hate campaigners that I have seen could not easily pass for kippers.0 -
In my case grew up in London and since moving out would never want to move back there (although I still work there).Alanbrooke said:
probably one of the dafter things you've written.antifrank said:
If the provincials keep up their irrational hatred of hardworking Londoners and seek to impose insane policies on them that cripple the strongest part of Britain's economy, sooner or later London will lose its sense of historical obligation to the rest of the UK. And the surplus funds we currently transfer from London could be used profitably in improving the world's most vital city.Alanbrooke said:
well if you think of your relaives in the Province that way.......antifrank said:
I'm sure Londoners aren't popular with the sponging classes of the provinces. It is the lot of those that sustain the lotus eaters in their lifestyles to be disliked.Alanbrooke said:
so a bit like Londoners ?antifrank said:
Those who think that UKIP is The Voice Of Reason seem unable to understand that a lot of other people think that UKIP are complete fruitloops, and unpleasant ones at that.CarlottaVance said:
What polling evidence do you have that Lab voters think UKIP is "on the same spectrum as Tories"?Paul_Mid_Beds said:I know Labour supporters did that in some places to keep out the BNP. however again. Holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out Neonazis is one thing, holding your nose and voting Tory to keep out a party thats on the same spectrum as the Tories but not full of upper class twits is another
This suggests not:
Lab Voters think the party is extreme:
Con:,37
Lab: 84
London has a fairly transient population. It sucks people in from the provinces and around the world, who then try to make their money and get out.
as for hardworking, don't make me laugh.
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They should not drink at their place of work.Ninoinoz said:
But no disciplinary action from the Conservative Whips?foxinsoxuk said:
He did famously fail to vote once because of being too drunk.isam said:Also rumours of residents of Rochester being phoned saying Reckless is a drunk!
If I was drunk at work, I would be suspended and up before the GMC. Reckless is apparently a man of great integrity despite being drunk at work, though Farage is famously also a boozer so maybe they can have some common interests.. These Westminster parties are all the same.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10590725
In any case, an MP is never "off-duty", even when asleep, so unless you want them teetotal you should accept that they can drink.
If they go for a drink after work that is perfectly legit.0 -
Clearly wise, good hearted souls, with golden auras. How lucky we are to live in country with such fine folk!woody662 said:
Say they are going to UKIP, seemed fairly set on it as well.anotherDave said:
And do they intend to vote labour in 2015, or are they saying they won't vote?woody662 said:
Labour 2010 votersanotherDave said:
By ex-Labour voters, do you mean not intending to vote?woody662 said:Interesting morning canvassing in a marginal Labour Council ward today. A fair few UKIP switchers but mainly ex Labour voters.
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Only now is the magnitude of Theresa May's faillure as Home Secretary becoming apparent
Coalition sees drop in number of foreigners removed after border stops
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11170478/Coalition-sees-drop-in-number-of-foreigners-removed-after-border-stops.html0 -
A collapse of Con/Lab support would be entertaining. Ideally several months before the election.RodCrosby said:
ENP 4.1MikeK said:What no new separate thread for this?
Mark Hughes @MarkJHughes 36m36 minutes ago
ComRes poll for tomorrow's Sunday Mirror
#Labour 31% -3
#Conservative 29% -2
#UKIP 24% +6%
Liberal Democrats 7% n/c
Green 5% +1%
TSE gone off in a huff. I said earlier that if UKIP reached 25+ on a prompted poll he would piss himself. Well not quite floating but sulking, no doubt.
Cripes, at this rate UKIP will win a majority by May!
The risk of a 1920s-style dropout for one of the big two may also concentrate minds on the advantages of PR..
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Possibly so.anotherDave said:
Are they the ones who pretended to be outraged Romanians?foxinsoxuk said:
Farage signed off the manifesto in 2010 and advocated a flat tax. Pointing out peoples past history is political fair game. If the kippers want to be a parliamentary party then they are going to have to be used to having their previous utterances scrutinised, and their drinking habits.
The Hope not Hate campaigners that I have seen could not easily pass for kippers.
But making anti-muslim comments in a McDonalds in Essex is hardly cutting edge subversion.0 -
My parents are immigrants, but they met and and married here. I've seen their wedding photos and a lot of the guests returned to their own countries. The 'Myth of Return' is strong in emigrant groups. Others went to other countries (USA, Australia, New Zealand). A notable exception were the Hungarians.surbiton said:
They can go back but only if they want to, not because the likes of you want them to.
And, what has your Christmas cards purchase got to do with this ? Are you trying to tell us that in that heart of stone, there is a soft spot !
In any case, the only talk of re-patriation I've heard from Ukippers is that of illegal immigrants.
As for the Xmas cards, at least I'm doing something to help my fellow Christians in Iraq and Nigeria.0 -
Haha that was great!anotherDave said:
Are they the ones who pretended to be outraged Romanians?foxinsoxuk said:
Farage signed off the manifesto in 2010 and advocated a flat tax. Pointing out peoples past history is political fair game. If the kippers want to be a parliamentary party then they are going to have to be used to having their previous utterances scrutinised, and their drinking habits.
The Hope not Hate campaigners that I have seen could not easily pass for kippers.
One day anti Kips on here will look back at threads like this and squirm with embarrassment at how desperate they look0 -
PR^2 ComRes
Lab 242
Con 215
UKIP 146
LD 13
Green 6
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Sounds like it's safe for me to visit then :-)manofkent2014 said:Only now is the magnitude of Theresa May's faillure as Home Secretary becoming apparent
Coalition sees drop in number of foreigners removed after border stops
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11170478/Coalition-sees-drop-in-number-of-foreigners-removed-after-border-stops.html0 -
There will be a full weekend polling round-up when other surveys have been published. That might not be till the morning.
The ComRes split sample sizes, as I pointed out earlier,are small which increases margins of error.
As a general rule I give much more emphasis to phone polls than online ones.0 -
I think the UK nuclear power stations are all towards the end of their active life.OblitusSumMe said:
It looks like more electricity has been delivered to the grid from wind turbines than nuclear power stations for all of the last 24 hours too: http://gridwatch.templar.co.uk/anotherDave said:The Greens look like they're on for a good year.
21% of current-Lab, and 26% of current-LD, and 8% of current-Con could be persuaded to vote Green.
This is partly because of the Atlantic low currently bringing strong winds, but also because a few of the ever-so-reliable nuclear power plants are powered down for unscheduled maintenance.
"The UK has 16 reactors generating about 18% of its electricity and all but one of these will be retired by 2023."
http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/Country-Profiles/Countries-T-Z/United-Kingdom/0 -
Some of us are provincials and hardworking Londoners.antifrank said:
If the provincials keep up their irrational hatred of hardworking Londoners and seek to impose insane policies on them that cripple the strongest part of Britain's economy, sooner or later London will lose its sense of historical obligation to the rest of the UK. And the surplus funds we currently transfer from London could be used profitably in improving the world's most vital city.
No problem working there but would hate to have to live there now, especially as it only takes me 5 minutes longer to get to work from Dorriesland than it used to take from the Croydon end of Loony Leftwing Lambeth.
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Then why are there subsidised bars at their "place of work"?foxinsoxuk said:
They should not drink at their place of work.Ninoinoz said:
But no disciplinary action from the Conservative Whips?foxinsoxuk said:
He did famously fail to vote once because of being too drunk.isam said:Also rumours of residents of Rochester being phoned saying Reckless is a drunk!
If I was drunk at work, I would be suspended and up before the GMC. Reckless is apparently a man of great integrity despite being drunk at work, though Farage is famously also a boozer so maybe they can have some common interests.. These Westminster parties are all the same.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10590725
In any case, an MP is never "off-duty", even when asleep, so unless you want them teetotal you should accept that they can drink.
If they go for a drink after work that is perfectly legit.
And would you post your comments asking for Gordon Brown's pay to be deducted for non-attendance in the early part of this parliament?0 -
Re the increasingly tedious UKIP tactical voting discussion
Different demographics will do different things but broad brush:
Middle class LibDems will vote tactically against UKIP either for Labour or the Conservatives.
Working class LibDems will vote tactically for UKIP against either Labour or the Conservatives.
Working class Conservatives will vote tactically for UKIP against Labour.
Working class Labour will vote tactically for UKIP against Conservatives.
See the byelections in Newark, Clacton and H&M for confirmation.
These voting patterns add another feedback loop in UKIP's drift from its hybrid of reactionary Toryism mixed with libertarianism to its becoming a wwc party.
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Like it or not it is perfectly legit to drink at many peoples places of work and in the case of HP they even have bars in the place.foxinsoxuk said:
They should not drink at their place of work.Ninoinoz said:
But no disciplinary action from the Conservative Whips?foxinsoxuk said:
He did famously fail to vote once because of being too drunk.isam said:Also rumours of residents of Rochester being phoned saying Reckless is a drunk!
If I was drunk at work, I would be suspended and up before the GMC. Reckless is apparently a man of great integrity despite being drunk at work, though Farage is famously also a boozer so maybe they can have some common interests.. These Westminster parties are all the same.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10590725
In any case, an MP is never "off-duty", even when asleep, so unless you want them teetotal you should accept that they can drink.
If they go for a drink after work that is perfectly legit.
Anyway MPs are not employees of parliament.
If thats the best dirt the Tories can throw at him when he is standing in a former naval dockyard town they are not going to do very well.0 -
MikeK said:
What no new separate thread for this?
Mark Hughes @MarkJHughes 36m36 minutes ago
ComRes poll for tomorrow's Sunday Mirror
#Labour 31% -3
#Conservative 29% -2
#UKIP 24% +6%
Liberal Democrats 7% n/c
Green 5% +1%
TSE gone off in a huff. I said earlier that if UKIP reached 25+ on a prompted poll he would piss himself. Well not quite floating but sulking, no doubt.
PM farage,the way things are going ;-)
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Doug @doug7065 3h3 hours ago
Germany is sick, and it's taking Europe down!
Not something you would expect to hear. Very interesting article!
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/5300/germany_is_sick_and_it_s_taking_europe_down …0 -
I was in McDonalds in Clacton and there were all these conservative activists wearing UKIP badges moaning about the "Popular Front of Judea, what?" and hissing "Splitters ok yah" ;-)0
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Glad you emigrated !Paul_Mid_Beds said:
Some of us are provincials and hardworking Londoners.antifrank said:
If the provincials keep up their irrational hatred of hardworking Londoners and seek to impose insane policies on them that cripple the strongest part of Britain's economy, sooner or later London will lose its sense of historical obligation to the rest of the UK. And the surplus funds we currently transfer from London could be used profitably in improving the world's most vital city.
No problem working there but would hate to have to live there now, especially as it only takes me 5 minutes longer to get to work from Dorriesland than it used to take from the Croydon end of Loony Leftwing Lambeth.0 -
Or 1983 all over again.Tykejohnno said:MikeK said:What no new separate thread for this?
Mark Hughes @MarkJHughes 36m36 minutes ago
ComRes poll for tomorrow's Sunday Mirror
#Labour 31% -3
#Conservative 29% -2
#UKIP 24% +6%
Liberal Democrats 7% n/c
Green 5% +1%
TSE gone off in a huff. I said earlier that if UKIP reached 25+ on a prompted poll he would piss himself. Well not quite floating but sulking, no doubt.
PM farage,the way things are going ;-)0 -
One day even antifrank will say to himself " But it was alright now. Everything was going to be alright. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Roger Helmer."isam said:
Haha that was great!anotherDave said:
Are they the ones who pretended to be outraged Romanians?foxinsoxuk said:
Farage signed off the manifesto in 2010 and advocated a flat tax. Pointing out peoples past history is political fair game. If the kippers want to be a parliamentary party then they are going to have to be used to having their previous utterances scrutinised, and their drinking habits.
The Hope not Hate campaigners that I have seen could not easily pass for kippers.
One day anti Kips on here will look back at threads like this and squirm with embarrassment at how desperate they look
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I was chatting to a Left Unity organiser the other day; despite their name they seem to have major problems with splitters and wreckers!Paul_Mid_Beds said:I was in McDonalds in Clacton and there were all these conservative activists wearing UKIP badges moaning about the "Popular Front of Judea, what?" and hissing "Splitters ok yah" ;-)
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I did wink ;-)corporeal said:
Or 1983 all over again.Tykejohnno said:MikeK said:What no new separate thread for this?
Mark Hughes @MarkJHughes 36m36 minutes ago
ComRes poll for tomorrow's Sunday Mirror
#Labour 31% -3
#Conservative 29% -2
#UKIP 24% +6%
Liberal Democrats 7% n/c
Green 5% +1%
TSE gone off in a huff. I said earlier that if UKIP reached 25+ on a prompted poll he would piss himself. Well not quite floating but sulking, no doubt.
PM farage,the way things are going ;-)
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Oh! You'll burn for that one.Sean_F said:
One day even antifrank will say to himself " But it was alright now. Everything was going to be alright. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Roger Helmer."isam said:
Haha that was great!anotherDave said:
Are they the ones who pretended to be outraged Romanians?foxinsoxuk said:
Farage signed off the manifesto in 2010 and advocated a flat tax. Pointing out peoples past history is political fair game. If the kippers want to be a parliamentary party then they are going to have to be used to having their previous utterances scrutinised, and their drinking habits.
The Hope not Hate campaigners that I have seen could not easily pass for kippers.
One day anti Kips on here will look back at threads like this and squirm with embarrassment at how desperate they look
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Great ! So why are you against other people like your parents to come here, meet each other , get married.....Ninoinoz said:
My parents are immigrants, but they met and and married here. I've seen their wedding photos and a lot of the guests returned to their own countries. The 'Myth of Return' is strong in emigrant groups. Others went to other countries (USA, Australia, New Zealand). A notable exception were the Hungarians.surbiton said:
They can go back but only if they want to, not because the likes of you want them to.
And, what has your Christmas cards purchase got to do with this ? Are you trying to tell us that in that heart of stone, there is a soft spot !
In any case, the only talk of re-patriation I've heard from Ukippers is that of illegal immigrants.
As for the Xmas cards, at least I'm doing something to help my fellow Christians in Iraq and Nigeria.
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MikeK TSE Is presently enjoying the new Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles film apparently0
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Yes; the more truthful half of the poll. So what! You can see that the prompt changes everything. All we need now is for ComRes to pluck up courage to carry out a full online and telephone link prompting for UKIP.david_herdson said:
Isn't that the 'four party prompt' half of the ConRes poll we've been discussing all evening?MikeK said:What no new separate thread for this?
Mark Hughes @MarkJHughes 36m36 minutes ago
ComRes poll for tomorrow's Sunday Mirror
#Labour 31% -3
#Conservative 29% -2
#UKIP 24% +6%
Liberal Democrats 7% n/c
Green 5% +1%
TSE gone off in a huff. I said earlier that if UKIP reached 25+ on a prompted poll he would piss himself. Well not quite floating but sulking, no doubt.0 -
London has the highest per capita PESA costs for a region in the whole of England. They already get 30% more in public expenditure than the neighbouring South EastPaul_Mid_Beds said:
Some of us are provincials and hardworking Londoners.antifrank said:
If the provincials keep up their irrational hatred of hardworking Londoners and seek to impose insane policies on them that cripple the strongest part of Britain's economy, sooner or later London will lose its sense of historical obligation to the rest of the UK. And the surplus funds we currently transfer from London could be used profitably in improving the world's most vital city.
No problem working there but would hate to have to live there now, especially as it only takes me 5 minutes longer to get to work from Dorriesland than it used to take from the Croydon end of Loony Leftwing Lambeth.0 -
So Am Isurbiton said:
Glad you emigrated !Paul_Mid_Beds said:
Some of us are provincials and hardworking Londoners.antifrank said:
If the provincials keep up their irrational hatred of hardworking Londoners and seek to impose insane policies on them that cripple the strongest part of Britain's economy, sooner or later London will lose its sense of historical obligation to the rest of the UK. And the surplus funds we currently transfer from London could be used profitably in improving the world's most vital city.
No problem working there but would hate to have to live there now, especially as it only takes me 5 minutes longer to get to work from Dorriesland than it used to take from the Croydon end of Loony Leftwing Lambeth.
Decent state schools with virtually guaranteed admission
Can walk the streets safely at night
Much cheaper insurance
Free parking on street
Can drive without seeing other cars on quiet lanes
Go a motorway a few minutes away not an hour through choking traffic
Clean air
Got a house for what I sold a flat for
Faster trains and more of them - always get a seat
No graffiti
Fields a few minutes walk away
I could go on. You can keep London.
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Hypothetical Question:
What odds do you are offered on the Tories to win:
* The smallest LD majority in the country,
* Where the Greens have taken 2 of the 8 wards at recent local elections,
* Where the Greens have just announced as one of their 12 target seats,
* Where the LD vote in local elections has collapsed by almost 75% since 2010 compared to just under half for the second place Tories (raw numbers, not turnout-weighted)?
* Keeping in mind the LD's outperformed their national polling at the 2014 locals.
What odds do you think the Tories are to take it? If you guessed 1/3, then congrats. If you think that's oddly long given the circumstances above then DYOR but you might want to get to Ladbrokes or PP.0 -
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My parents were recruited as factory workers. There were labour shortages in those days. Perhaps, if the unemployment statistics are real and full-employment returns, an open door policy would be appropriate.surbiton said:
Great ! So why are you against other people like your parents to come here, meet each other , get married.....Ninoinoz said:surbiton said:
They can go back but only if they want to, not because the likes of you want them to.
And, what has your Christmas cards purchase got to do with this ? Are you trying to tell us that in that heart of stone, there is a soft spot !
If it was good enough for your parents.........
But the factories my parents worked in are long gone. All the open door policy is doing is providing competition for WWC and existing immigrants and their children. It must stop.
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I have been fiddling with a graph for a thread about the disparity between the combined vote % and seat% of Lab and Con, but can't get anything to look good.
http://cf.datawrapper.de/9MIVy/1/
http://cf.datawrapper.de/Lr2bh/2/0 -
Yougov Labour 35, Tory 32 UKIP 16, LD 7, Green 5, so slight UKIP fallback there https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/5235760139898798080
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The problem with ComRes doing two top-line figures is that people will spread the one that better suits their party. The one with UKIP on 24% is already on the Wiki opinion polls page.0
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Yes but a lot of that benefits people in the southeast far more than it benefits people who live in London. the £15billion Crossrail and £10 billion Thameslink upgrades for a start.manofkent2014 said:
London has the highest per capita PESA costs for a region in the whole of England. They already get 30% more in public expenditure than the neighbouring South EastPaul_Mid_Beds said:
Some of us are provincials and hardworking Londoners.antifrank said:
If the provincials keep up their irrational hatred of hardworking Londoners and seek to impose insane policies on them that cripple the strongest part of Britain's economy, sooner or later London will lose its sense of historical obligation to the rest of the UK. And the surplus funds we currently transfer from London could be used profitably in improving the world's most vital city.
No problem working there but would hate to have to live there now, especially as it only takes me 5 minutes longer to get to work from Dorriesland than it used to take from the Croydon end of Loony Leftwing Lambeth.
Its a bit like saying that my town gets disporportionate spending because the council gets taxpayers money to pay for a library and a new leisure centre and the local village parish councils don't. But of course the local village residents use the library and leisure centre in my town.0 -
Greens announce 12 target seats for 2015
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YouGov are going backward; they don't prompt for the third party, UKIP.HYUFD said:Yougov Labour 35, Tory 32 UKIP 16, LD 7, Green 5, so slight UKIP fallback there https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/523576013989879808
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I had fun in London as a student, but have never regretted leaving. It is no place to bring up children.Paul_Mid_Beds said:
So Am Isurbiton said:
Glad you emigrated !Paul_Mid_Beds said:
Some of us are provincials and hardworking Londoners.antifrank said:
If the provincials keep up their irrational hatred of hardworking Londoners and seek to impose insane policies on them that cripple the strongest part of Britain's economy, sooner or later London will lose its sense of historical obligation to the rest of the UK. And the surplus funds we currently transfer from London could be used profitably in improving the world's most vital city.
No problem working there but would hate to have to live there now, especially as it only takes me 5 minutes longer to get to work from Dorriesland than it used to take from the Croydon end of Loony Leftwing Lambeth.
Decent state schools with virtually guaranteed admission
Can walk the streets safely at night
Much cheaper insurance
Free parking on street
Can drive without seeing other cars on quiet lanes
Go a motorway a few minutes away not an hour through choking traffic
Clean air
Got a house for what I sold a flat for
Faster trains and more of them - always get a seat
No graffiti
Fields a few minutes walk away
I could go on. You can keep London.
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This whole prompt/no prompt polling concept leaves me completely baffled and I'd love to see one of our resident experts do a thread on why most pollsters stand by not prompting the smaller parties. The fact that prompting always seems to increase the percentage support surely means that there is a flaw with not prompting.
Has anyone ever polled with no prompting at all - simply asking which party you will vote for and not naming any of them?
Has anyone analyzed why prompting makes a difference? Do people think that if only the three main parties are named, that that is the only choice - like have a ballot paper with only those names on it. Or do people actually forget the names of the parties they intend to vote for? Or some other reason.0 -
Absolute rubbish! The vast majority of people who live in the South East rarely visit London so how on earth will it benefit them more than Londoners?Paul_Mid_Beds said:
Yes but a lot of that benefits people in the southeast far more than it benefits people who live in London. the £15billion Crossrail and £10 billion Thameslink upgrades for a start.manofkent2014 said:
London has the highest per capita PESA costs for a region in the whole of England. They already get 30% more in public expenditure than the neighbouring South EastPaul_Mid_Beds said:
Some of us are provincials and hardworking Londoners.antifrank said:
If the provincials keep up their irrational hatred of hardworking Londoners and seek to impose insane policies on them that cripple the strongest part of Britain's economy, sooner or later London will lose its sense of historical obligation to the rest of the UK. And the surplus funds we currently transfer from London could be used profitably in improving the world's most vital city.
No problem working there but would hate to have to live there now, especially as it only takes me 5 minutes longer to get to work from Dorriesland than it used to take from the Croydon end of Loony Leftwing Lambeth.
Its a bit like saying that my town gets disporportionate spending because the council gets taxpayers money to pay for a library and a new leisure centre and the local village parish councils don't. But of course the local village residents use the library and leisure centre in my town.
Not only that but where costs apply to parts of the South East as in the Thameslink expansion they should be applied to the South East accordingly and not applied to London. Presumably the London expenditure is that which is spent in London for London.0 -
My ward in Norwich South is staunchly Green but I think Labour should win comfortably. I voted Lib Dem last time to keep Mr Patato Head out but this time it will be another tactical vote, probably Green.HYUFD said:Greens announce 12 target seats for 2015
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/oct/18/green-party-general-election-12-seats-england
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Should the Guardian come out in support of the Green Party and abandon the Lib/Dems, then that would put the cat among the pigeons of the Left.HYUFD said:Greens announce 12 target seats for 2015
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/oct/18/green-party-general-election-12-seats-england
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Some off the top of my head answers.JackCade said:This whole prompt/no prompt polling concept leaves me completely baffled and I'd love to see one of our resident experts do a thread on why most pollsters stand by not prompting the smaller parties. The fact that prompting always seems to increase the percentage support surely means that there is a flaw with not prompting.
Has anyone ever polled with no prompting at all - simply asking which party you will vote for and not naming any of them?
Has anyone analyzed why prompting makes a difference? Do people think that if only the three main parties are named, that that is the only choice - like have a ballot paper with only those names on it. Or do people actually forget the names of the parties they intend to vote for? Or some other reason.
Prompting puts things into people's minds, also to an extent legitimises them as more acceptable/expected answers to give. (It's also been shown that being near the top of the ballot paper is an electoral advantage, razor thin marginal candidates might want to change their surname to A).
In the past prompting for UKIP has led to them being overstated.
No prompting, don't know.0 -
I love a clear majority of British people don't think people from the rest of the EU should be allowed to live and work in Britain, but do think that British people should be free to live and work in the rest of the EU.anotherDave said:
You have to feel sorry for British politicians having to pander to these people for a living.0 -
That would be Hope not Hate that was set up by the former European Movement researcher and advisor Nick Lowles? He has spent the last 20 years or so doing all he can to undermine any anti-EU movements or groups.foxinsoxuk said:
Farage signed off the manifesto in 2010 and advocated a flat tax. Pointing out peoples past history is political fair game. If the kippers want to be a parliamentary party then they are going to have to be used to having their previous utterances scrutinised, and their drinking habits.
The Hope not Hate campaigners that I have seen could not easily pass for kippers.0 -
There was a big YouGov vs Survation argument about this a while back; Part of the argument for not prompting seems to be two wrongs making a right, in that if you prompt for the smaller parties they quite high scores that don't actually hold up in actual elections, where they inevitably get squeezed.JackCade said:This whole prompt/no prompt polling concept leaves me completely baffled and I'd love to see one of our resident experts do a thread on why most pollsters stand by not prompting the smaller parties. The fact that prompting always seems to increase the percentage support surely means that there is a flaw with not prompting.
Has anyone ever polled with no prompting at all - simply asking which party you will vote for and not naming any of them?
Has anyone analyzed why prompting makes a difference? Do people think that if only the three main parties are named, that that is the only choice - like have a ballot paper with only those names on it. Or do people actually forget the names of the parties they intend to vote for? Or some other reason.
But yeah, even if that's right it feels like cheating...0 -
Excellent. More power to his elbow!Richard_Tyndall said:
That would be Hope not Hate that was set up by the former European Movement researcher and advisor Nick Lowles? He has spent the last 20 years or so doing all he can to undermine any anti-EU movements or groups.foxinsoxuk said:
Farage signed off the manifesto in 2010 and advocated a flat tax. Pointing out peoples past history is political fair game. If the kippers want to be a parliamentary party then they are going to have to be used to having their previous utterances scrutinised, and their drinking habits.
The Hope not Hate campaigners that I have seen could not easily pass for kippers.0 -
There is a rather large logic gap there. But maybe politicians get the public they deserve.edmundintokyo said:
I love a clear majority of British people don't think people from the rest of the EU should be allowed to live and work in Britain, but do think that British people should be free to live and work in the rest of the EU.anotherDave said:
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Just comparing the composition of UKIP support in ComRes (UKIP 24%), and 10 October Survation (UKIP 25%).
[Percentages are proportion of current-UKIP]
ComRes: 2010-Con 24%, 2010-Lab 13%, 2010-LD 19%
Survation:2010-Con 23%, 2010-Lab 10%, 2010-LD 33%
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http://www.comres.co.uk/polls/ComRes_IoS_SM_Trial_voting_intention_wording_19th_October_2014.pdf
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http://survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Political-Survey-12-October-MoS-Tables.pdf0 -
It's like people here who are against abortion - because life is sacred - but pro-death penaltyedmundintokyo said:
I love a clear majority of British people don't think people from the rest of the EU should be allowed to live and work in Britain, but do think that British people should be free to live and work in the rest of the EU.anotherDave said:
You have to feel sorry for British politicians having to pander to these people for a living.0 -
Surely people who need prompting are less committed to any party.JackCade said:This whole prompt/no prompt polling concept leaves me completely baffled and I'd love to see one of our resident experts do a thread on why most pollsters stand by not prompting the smaller parties. The fact that prompting always seems to increase the percentage support surely means that there is a flaw with not prompting.
Has anyone ever polled with no prompting at all - simply asking which party you will vote for and not naming any of them?
Has anyone analyzed why prompting makes a difference? Do people think that if only the three main parties are named, that that is the only choice - like have a ballot paper with only those names on it. Or do people actually forget the names of the parties they intend to vote for? Or some other reason.
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If you believe that people should achieve their aims through smears and lies then I am afraid that says a great deal about you. Mind you I suspect we already knew that.foxinsoxuk said:
Excellent. More power to his elbow!Richard_Tyndall said:
That would be Hope not Hate that was set up by the former European Movement researcher and advisor Nick Lowles? He has spent the last 20 years or so doing all he can to undermine any anti-EU movements or groups.foxinsoxuk said:
Farage signed off the manifesto in 2010 and advocated a flat tax. Pointing out peoples past history is political fair game. If the kippers want to be a parliamentary party then they are going to have to be used to having their previous utterances scrutinised, and their drinking habits.
The Hope not Hate campaigners that I have seen could not easily pass for kippers.0 -
TSE Well I enjoyed them when I was younger, not so much to my tastes now I must admit, but each to their own0
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MikeK Indeed, Farage tweeted his annoyance at yougov's lack of UKIP prompting. I think the Guardian could come out for the Greens if their poll rating rises further to make up for their LD backing last time, certainly the average CiF commentator is more pro Green than pro Labour0
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corporeal said:
(It's also been shown that being near the top of the ballot paper is an electoral advantage, razor thin marginal candidates might want to change their surname to A).
That's UKIP stuffed then!
But isn't that what weighting is all about?edmundintokyo said:; Part of the argument for not prompting seems to be two wrongs making a right, in that if you prompt for the smaller parties they quite high scores that don't actually hold up in actual elections, where they inevitably get squeezed.
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Eastwinger I think the Greens will hold Brighton P, if they make a gain it will likely come in LD held Bristol West, wealthy and bohemian and full of students!0
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The point is to be even handed. Either you prompt for all likely options, or for none. If you just prompt for some, then you are skewing the result.foxinsoxuk said:
Surely people who need prompting are less committed to any party.JackCade said:This whole prompt/no prompt polling concept leaves me completely baffled and I'd love to see one of our resident experts do a thread on why most pollsters stand by not prompting the smaller parties. The fact that prompting always seems to increase the percentage support surely means that there is a flaw with not prompting.
Has anyone ever polled with no prompting at all - simply asking which party you will vote for and not naming any of them?
Has anyone analyzed why prompting makes a difference? Do people think that if only the three main parties are named, that that is the only choice - like have a ballot paper with only those names on it. Or do people actually forget the names of the parties they intend to vote for? Or some other reason.
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@PickardJE: Eastenders scripted by Miliband imagined by @MichaelPDeacon "everyday working people of Albert Square want an answer" http://t.co/0tl1I3L9PQ
Linda, the point I made to her was this. It was: “Look, Sharon. I’ll come to the detail of this in a minute. But first of all I want to respectfully ask you to shut it, you slag.” And I think she understood the point I was making, because in Albert Square today there is a huge issue around slags needing to shut it. Under this Tory-led Government, the number of slags needing to shut it has risen by over 63 per cent. And I think David Cameron has to start listening to what ordinary families are telling us. Because what ordinary families are telling us is that they want you to shut it, you slag.
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I see that over the last 12 months there has been a shift in favour of EU citizens having the right to move here, and a fairly large shift.edmundintokyo said:
I love a clear majority of British people don't think people from the rest of the EU should be allowed to live and work in Britain, but do think that British people should be free to live and work in the rest of the EU.anotherDave said:
You have to feel sorry for British politicians having to pander to these people for a living.
Even kippers are fairly evenly split on UK citizens having the right to live in the other EU countries. They may live in Clacton, but fancy the blue mediterranean skies over the leaden East Anglian sky.0 -
Was part of the AIFE - UKIP controversy.JackCade said:corporeal said:(It's also been shown that being near the top of the ballot paper is an electoral advantage, razor thin marginal candidates might want to change their surname to A).
That's UKIP stuffed then!
But isn't that what weighting is all about?edmundintokyo said:; Part of the argument for not prompting seems to be two wrongs making a right, in that if you prompt for the smaller parties they quite high scores that don't actually hold up in actual elections, where they inevitably get squeezed.
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Ballot papers go by candidate surname rather than party name.
Weighting is about trying to get an approximately representative sample of the population.
Prompting is trying to replicate people's considerations/circumstances/influences/etc when they vote.0 -
I was wondering if the prompting thing was just habit - that when polls started to become more widespread, we were in such an environment that there were realistically only those three choices likely to be on the ballot paper.JackCade said:This whole prompt/no prompt polling concept leaves me completely baffled and I'd love to see one of our resident experts do a thread on why most pollsters stand by not prompting the smaller parties. The fact that prompting always seems to increase the percentage support surely means that there is a flaw with not prompting.
Has anyone ever polled with no prompting at all - simply asking which party you will vote for and not naming any of them?
Has anyone analyzed why prompting makes a difference? Do people think that if only the three main parties are named, that that is the only choice - like have a ballot paper with only those names on it. Or do people actually forget the names of the parties they intend to vote for? Or some other reason.
Analyses have shown in the past that adding the 'smaller' parties to the prompt boosts their reported support and that this doesn't actually turn up in the election, but it's unclear over whether that would still hold when a 'smaller' party actually has overtaken one of the prompted parties for a sustained period.
I'd genuinely like to see the results of a series of completely unprompted polls to compare to the prompted ones.
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He's left out Gordon Brown's Gulag for Slags. Wasn't Ed a convert to Corrie? http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/s100/im-a-celebrity-uk/news/a443840/helen-flanagan-meets-ed-miliband-he-was-boring-my-ear-off-picture.html#~oT55y526dQte56Scott_P said:@PickardJE: Eastenders scripted by Miliband imagined by @MichaelPDeacon "everyday working people of Albert Square want an answer" http://t.co/0tl1I3L9PQ
Linda, the point I made to her was this. It was: “Look, Sharon. I’ll come to the detail of this in a minute. But first of all I want to respectfully ask you to shut it, you slag.” And I think she understood the point I was making, because in Albert Square today there is a huge issue around slags needing to shut it. Under this Tory-led Government, the number of slags needing to shut it has risen by over 63 per cent. And I think David Cameron has to start listening to what ordinary families are telling us. Because what ordinary families are telling us is that they want you to shut it, you slag.
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I don't think Lord Ashcroft prompts at all.JackCade said:This whole prompt/no prompt polling concept leaves me completely baffled and I'd love to see one of our resident experts do a thread on why most pollsters stand by not prompting the smaller parties. The fact that prompting always seems to increase the percentage support surely means that there is a flaw with not prompting.
Has anyone ever polled with no prompting at all - simply asking which party you will vote for and not naming any of them?
Has anyone analyzed why prompting makes a difference? Do people think that if only the three main parties are named, that that is the only choice - like have a ballot paper with only those names on it. Or do people actually forget the names of the parties they intend to vote for? Or some other reason.
ICM's Nick Sparrow wrote on PB:
"The established conventions for question design in market research would be to ask for a spontaneous response, i.e without mentioning any possible choices, or prompt with all the main alternatives.
By this yardstick it becomes difficult to justify continuing to omit mention of UKIP at least, and arguably other smaller parties as well, as they appear to add up to a choice for almost one in five of those who would vote in a new election."
http://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/08/07/take-polls-with-large-pinch-of-salt-do-not-consume-in-excess/
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The hospital I worked at a few years ago had two on-site subsidised bars so your comment doesn't even stand up for your own profession.foxinsoxuk said:
They should not drink at their place of work.Ninoinoz said:
But no disciplinary action from the Conservative Whips?foxinsoxuk said:
He did famously fail to vote once because of being too drunk.isam said:Also rumours of residents of Rochester being phoned saying Reckless is a drunk!
If I was drunk at work, I would be suspended and up before the GMC. Reckless is apparently a man of great integrity despite being drunk at work, though Farage is famously also a boozer so maybe they can have some common interests.. These Westminster parties are all the same.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10590725
In any case, an MP is never "off-duty", even when asleep, so unless you want them teetotal you should accept that they can drink.
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Hope Not Hate is a typical extreme-left sect. The type that would brand anyone to the right of Harriet Harman as "racist and fascist".Richard_Tyndall said:
If you believe that people should achieve their aims through smears and lies then I am afraid that says a great deal about you. Mind you I suspect we already knew that.foxinsoxuk said:
Excellent. More power to his elbow!Richard_Tyndall said:
That would be Hope not Hate that was set up by the former European Movement researcher and advisor Nick Lowles? He has spent the last 20 years or so doing all he can to undermine any anti-EU movements or groups.foxinsoxuk said:
Farage signed off the manifesto in 2010 and advocated a flat tax. Pointing out peoples past history is political fair game. If the kippers want to be a parliamentary party then they are going to have to be used to having their previous utterances scrutinised, and their drinking habits.
The Hope not Hate campaigners that I have seen could not easily pass for kippers.
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I do not support lying or telling untruths, but campaigning to stay in the EU is a perfectly valid democratic position.Richard_Tyndall said:
If you believe that people should achieve their aims through smears and lies then I am afraid that says a great deal about you. Mind you I suspect we already knew that.foxinsoxuk said:
Excellent. More power to his elbow!Richard_Tyndall said:
That would be Hope not Hate that was set up by the former European Movement researcher and advisor Nick Lowles? He has spent the last 20 years or so doing all he can to undermine any anti-EU movements or groups.foxinsoxuk said:
Farage signed off the manifesto in 2010 and advocated a flat tax. Pointing out peoples past history is political fair game. If the kippers want to be a parliamentary party then they are going to have to be used to having their previous utterances scrutinised, and their drinking habits.
The Hope not Hate campaigners that I have seen could not easily pass for kippers.
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Reading East isn't going to happen. They did come third in the 2014 locals though, so they've pushed past the LDs.HYUFD said:Greens announce 12 target seats for 2015
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/oct/18/green-party-general-election-12-seats-england
http://www.fabians.org.uk/election-2014-the-numbers/
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/2015guide/readingeast/
The Greens targeting Reading East is probably good news for the Conservatives though. And they need all the help they get.
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With Billy Bragg as a patron I can believe itSean_F said:
Hope Not Hate is a typical extreme-left sect. The type that would brand anyone to the right of Harriet Harman as "racist and fascist".Richard_Tyndall said:
If you believe that people should achieve their aims through smears and lies then I am afraid that says a great deal about you. Mind you I suspect we already knew that.foxinsoxuk said:
Excellent. More power to his elbow!Richard_Tyndall said:
That would be Hope not Hate that was set up by the former European Movement researcher and advisor Nick Lowles? He has spent the last 20 years or so doing all he can to undermine any anti-EU movements or groups.foxinsoxuk said:
Farage signed off the manifesto in 2010 and advocated a flat tax. Pointing out peoples past history is political fair game. If the kippers want to be a parliamentary party then they are going to have to be used to having their previous utterances scrutinised, and their drinking habits.
The Hope not Hate campaigners that I have seen could not easily pass for kippers.0
