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What Brits are really looking forward to this weekend – politicalbetting.com

Which are you most looking forward to around this weekend?The bank holiday day off: 37%The coronation and celebrations surrounding it: 25%Neither: 34%https://t.co/ybC0oCcl7z pic.twitter.com/ScdsnV50H6

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,152
    Yup, I am in this in 37%.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,016
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Yup, I am in this in 37%.

    Would be nice to see a split between:

    Those getting a paid day off work
    Those not getting a paid day off work
    Those who don't work

    Among those getting a paid day off it will be much higher than 37%.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,683
    Fifty million people didn't watch:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65518360
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,337
    edited May 2023
    Isn't it plausible that the initiative for yesterday's mistake came from the Met not the Palace?

    Presumably we'll never know, however amusing a "jolly bad show... Constable Rowley" speech would be.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,249
    More.on this:

    About 14 million saw King being Crowned, live on BBC TV. This is about half of the TV audience for the Queen's funeral last Autumn (29 million across channels and outlets). The Lionesses had an 11 million average, 17 million peak. and England v Italy 2020 had a 31m peak

    https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/1655175061924397057


  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,795
    O/T

    Latest German opinion poll.

    Kantar:

    CDU/CSU 31%
    SPD 17%
    Green 16%
    AfD 16%
    FDP 8%
    Left 4%
    Others 8%

    https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 5,173
    With the police arresting people for exercising free speech against the monarchy, that tells us the poor place the monarchy finds itself in, a self confident monarchy wouldn’t need the state to bully their citizens like this.

    The Conservative Party generally, and the Home Secretary in particular, along with the attraction that police work has to people who derive enjoyment from abusing power and abusing other people, are responsible for the wave of forcible detentions. Not the King, regardless of whether you think he merits his status or not.

    Could the coronation of King Charles III be the UK’s last coronation?

    QTWTAIN.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,247
    edited May 2023
    Alphabet_Soup said:

    Fifty million people didn't watch:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65518360

    Yes, that's the right take. It's not as though 1/4 of the entire nation doing something is an unusual occurrence. It's like if 100,000 people show up on a protest march, that means nothing because it's a small proportion of the overall nation.

    Particularly as unlike a world cup match the coronation was not a very absorbing watch, so 1/4 of the nation doing it would be a very high number.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,337
    FF43 said:

    More.on this:

    About 14 million saw King being Crowned, live on BBC TV. This is about half of the TV audience for the Queen's funeral last Autumn (29 million across channels and outlets). The Lionesses had an 11 million average, 17 million peak. and England v Italy 2020 had a 31m peak

    https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/1655175061924397057


    Not that surprising. The respects for Elizabeth were for both the office and the holder, and Charles only has the first of those so far, which isn't worth as much as seventy years ago. At the moment, there's still a bit of a "you're not my real dad" vibe going on.

    Longer term, there's a challenge for the monarchy if the monarch is always old-to-dying. That will be tricky to solve.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,908
    FF43 said:

    More.on this:

    About 14 million saw King being Crowned, live on BBC TV. This is about half of the TV audience for the Queen's funeral last Autumn (29 million across channels and outlets). The Lionesses had an 11 million average, 17 million peak. and England v Italy 2020 had a 31m peak

    https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/1655175061924397057


    You sure?


    “King Charles’s coronation watched by peak TV audience of 20m
    Event was most watched broadcast of year”


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/may/07/king-charles-coronation-watched-by-peak-tv-audience-of-20-million?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    And we’ve yet to get the catch up and internet figures. I suspect the Palace will be just fine with this

    Indeed the Guardian is so cheesed off that it was watched by a lot of people, they are blaming the weather:

    “The viewing figures for the coronation at Westminster Abbey may have been boosted by the poor weather in parts of the UK, which forced people to stay inside”


  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,756
    Not really surprising. The football was both more exciting and more entertaining. I'd think it odd if the coronation wasn't televised, but I'd also think it odd if the nation was glued to it. We have so much more to divert us than our counterparts for the Queen's coronation 70 years ago.

    34% not looking forward to anything this weekend, though. Miserable buggers.

    Personally, I rather enjoyed seeing the bunting out, and I enjoyed the little street party in the cul de sac behind our house. Small scale and drunken, it was. And I will also enjoy an extra day off work tomorrow. My glass is definitely half full.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,093
    kle4 said:


    Particularly as unlike a world cup match the coronation was not a very absorbing watch, so 1/4 of the nation doing it would be a very high number.

    Maybe more people would have tuned in if the coronation had gone to penalties.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,908
    Stuartinromford said:

    FF43 said:

    More.on this:

    About 14 million saw King being Crowned, live on BBC TV. This is about half of the TV audience for the Queen's funeral last Autumn (29 million across channels and outlets). The Lionesses had an 11 million average, 17 million peak. and England v Italy 2020 had a 31m peak

    https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/1655175061924397057


    Not that surprising. The respects for Elizabeth were for both the office and the holder, and Charles only has the first of those so far, which isn't worth as much as seventy years ago. At the moment, there's still a bit of a "you're not my real dad" vibe going on.

    Longer term, there's a challenge for the monarchy if the monarch is always old-to-dying. That will be tricky to solve.
    But that’s the genius of family. There will be weddings of attractive young people


    The wedding of Wills and Kate was one of the most watched royal events ever
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,247
    edited May 2023
    Apparently Wagner have been promised more ammunition and so won't be pulling out, in the ongoing theatrics in Ukraine.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65516633

    But could this dude look more like an orc from a Lord of the Rings film if he tried? Apologies for photo of Prigozin to spoil your Sunday, I couldn't get spoiler tags to work.

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,487
    Stuartinromford said:

    FF43 said:

    More.on this:

    About 14 million saw King being Crowned, live on BBC TV. This is about half of the TV audience for the Queen's funeral last Autumn (29 million across channels and outlets). The Lionesses had an 11 million average, 17 million peak. and England v Italy 2020 had a 31m peak

    https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/1655175061924397057


    Not that surprising. The respects for Elizabeth were for both the office and the holder, and Charles only has the first of those so far, which isn't worth as much as seventy years ago. At the moment, there's still a bit of a "you're not my real dad" vibe going on.

    Longer term, there's a challenge for the monarchy if the monarch is always old-to-dying. That will be tricky to solve.
    Next Coronation will have a King aged in his fifties, albeit as bald as a billiard ball.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,247
    solarflare said:

    kle4 said:


    Particularly as unlike a world cup match the coronation was not a very absorbing watch, so 1/4 of the nation doing it would be a very high number.

    Maybe more people would have tuned in if the coronation had gone to penalties.
    You can get away with anything so long as you add 'as is tradition' to justify it.

    South Park - Royal Wedding
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,593
    Don’t forget the weekend’s big story, the LibDems shooting off the top end of the expectations swingometer (with a dishonourable mention for our HY who predicted the LibDems would lose seats….)


  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,247
    Foxy said:

    Stuartinromford said:

    FF43 said:

    More.on this:

    About 14 million saw King being Crowned, live on BBC TV. This is about half of the TV audience for the Queen's funeral last Autumn (29 million across channels and outlets). The Lionesses had an 11 million average, 17 million peak. and England v Italy 2020 had a 31m peak

    https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/1655175061924397057

    Not that surprising. The respects for Elizabeth were for both the office and the holder, and Charles only has the first of those so far, which isn't worth as much as seventy years ago. At the moment, there's still a bit of a "you're not my real dad" vibe going on.

    Longer term, there's a challenge for the monarchy if the monarch is always old-to-dying. That will be tricky to solve.
    Next Coronation will have a King aged in his fifties, albeit as bald as a billiard ball.
    Perhaps, as is tradition, he or George will develop a fatal smoking habit in order to bring a youthful monarch to the throne. The institution demands it.

    Expect to see this revelation in the upcoming Spare 2: The Sparening, by Harry Mountbatten-Windsor, former Prince.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,931
    kle4 said:

    Apparently Wagner have been promised more ammunition and so won't be pulling out, in the ongoing theatrics in Ukraine.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65516633

    But could this dude look more like an orc from a Lord of the Rings film if he tried? Apologies for photo of Prigozin to spoil your Sunday, I couldn't get spoiler tags to work.

    They're going to rotate with some Chechen forces according to my sources
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,700
    On topic - these stats are nothing to worry about for the monarchy in my view, as long as Charles doesn’t overreach and there aren’t too many Andrew-shaped skeletons in the closet.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,487
    pigeon said:

    With the police arresting people for exercising free speech against the monarchy, that tells us the poor place the monarchy finds itself in, a self confident monarchy wouldn’t need the state to bully their citizens like this.

    The Conservative Party generally, and the Home Secretary in particular, along with the attraction that police work has to people who derive enjoyment from abusing power and abusing other people, are responsible for the wave of forcible detentions. Not the King, regardless of whether you think he merits his status or not.

    Could the coronation of King Charles III be the UK’s last coronation?

    QTWTAIN.

    Caught by the New Thread, my thoughts on the protests:

    Indeed, as I responded to accusations of not being proud of Britain a few days back:

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/4386927#Comment_4386927

    One thing in particular that makes me proud is that monarchist and jingoistic self-importance is met by British mickey-taking and pricking that pomposity, rather than violent mobs. The worst that happened yesterday was a few protesters having their placards impounded, and even that fairly meekly done. Truly the mark of a civilised country.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,359
    Foxy said:

    Stuartinromford said:

    FF43 said:

    More.on this:

    About 14 million saw King being Crowned, live on BBC TV. This is about half of the TV audience for the Queen's funeral last Autumn (29 million across channels and outlets). The Lionesses had an 11 million average, 17 million peak. and England v Italy 2020 had a 31m peak

    https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/1655175061924397057


    Not that surprising. The respects for Elizabeth were for both the office and the holder, and Charles only has the first of those so far, which isn't worth as much as seventy years ago. At the moment, there's still a bit of a "you're not my real dad" vibe going on.

    Longer term, there's a challenge for the monarchy if the monarch is always old-to-dying. That will be tricky to solve.
    Next Coronation will have a King aged in his fifties, albeit as bald as a billiard ball.
    Really?
    You don't give the King any odds at all of surviving 19 years and a month?
    Given the very best healthcare, not smoking, and his family history of longevity, I would say there's a pretty good chance the next King will be crowned in his sixties.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,704
    I suspect that the monarchy will still be in place in 1,000 years time 👍
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,247
    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    Stuartinromford said:

    FF43 said:

    More.on this:

    About 14 million saw King being Crowned, live on BBC TV. This is about half of the TV audience for the Queen's funeral last Autumn (29 million across channels and outlets). The Lionesses had an 11 million average, 17 million peak. and England v Italy 2020 had a 31m peak

    https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/1655175061924397057


    Not that surprising. The respects for Elizabeth were for both the office and the holder, and Charles only has the first of those so far, which isn't worth as much as seventy years ago. At the moment, there's still a bit of a "you're not my real dad" vibe going on.

    Longer term, there's a challenge for the monarchy if the monarch is always old-to-dying. That will be tricky to solve.
    Next Coronation will have a King aged in his fifties, albeit as bald as a billiard ball.
    Really?
    You don't give the King any odds at all of surviving 19 years and a month?
    Given the very best healthcare, not smoking, and his family history of longevity, I would say there's a pretty good chance the next King will be crowned in his sixties.
    The solution to this ageing problem is obvious - switching from primogeniture to ultimogeniture.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,487
    londonpubman said:

    I suspect that the monarchy will still be in place in 1,000 years time 👍

    Though all hail King SkyNet and his robo-knights.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,487
    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    Stuartinromford said:

    FF43 said:

    More.on this:

    About 14 million saw King being Crowned, live on BBC TV. This is about half of the TV audience for the Queen's funeral last Autumn (29 million across channels and outlets). The Lionesses had an 11 million average, 17 million peak. and England v Italy 2020 had a 31m peak

    https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/1655175061924397057


    Not that surprising. The respects for Elizabeth were for both the office and the holder, and Charles only has the first of those so far, which isn't worth as much as seventy years ago. At the moment, there's still a bit of a "you're not my real dad" vibe going on.

    Longer term, there's a challenge for the monarchy if the monarch is always old-to-dying. That will be tricky to solve.
    Next Coronation will have a King aged in his fifties, albeit as bald as a billiard ball.
    Really?
    You don't give the King any odds at all of surviving 19 years and a month?
    Given the very best healthcare, not smoking, and his family history of longevity, I would say there's a pretty good chance the next King will be crowned in his sixties.
    Not zero, but probable.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 12,091
    londonpubman said:

    I suspect that the monarchy will still be in place in 1,000 years time 👍

    Are you willing to take a bet on that?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,247
    Leon said:

    londonpubman said:

    I suspect that the monarchy will still be in place in 1,000 years time 👍

    What was that famous saying by King Ibn Saud? Something like “in 1000 years there will be just five kings left. The Kings of Spades, Hearts, Diamonds, Clubs and England”
    Google attributes it to the King of Egypt. But only ChatGPT can truly know.

    I see it shows up in a lot of 'Are Monarchies days' numbered?' articles, usually coming with a clear yearning that the answer is 'Yes, hopefully'.

    Could be so, but I doubt it given the stability of Scandanavian monarchies for example. The UK is more political unstable, with Sindy and all that, and so the possibility of it falling by the wayside are higher than should probably be the case given lack of consensus on what to replace it with.

    But in fact we can see from various Republican dictatorships that they can be in effect monarchies, with sons inheriting presidencies from father's, so I don't think we'll ever truly be rid of monarchy, even if it is called something else. Christ, in North Korean they talk about the actual Kim bloodline being vital and still pretend not to be a monachy!
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,593
    Foxy said:

    pigeon said:

    With the police arresting people for exercising free speech against the monarchy, that tells us the poor place the monarchy finds itself in, a self confident monarchy wouldn’t need the state to bully their citizens like this.

    The Conservative Party generally, and the Home Secretary in particular, along with the attraction that police work has to people who derive enjoyment from abusing power and abusing other people, are responsible for the wave of forcible detentions. Not the King, regardless of whether you think he merits his status or not.

    Could the coronation of King Charles III be the UK’s last coronation?

    QTWTAIN.

    Caught by the New Thread, my thoughts on the protests:

    Indeed, as I responded to accusations of not being proud of Britain a few days back:

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/4386927#Comment_4386927

    One thing in particular that makes me proud is that monarchist and jingoistic self-importance is met by British mickey-taking and pricking that pomposity, rather than violent mobs. The worst that happened yesterday was a few protesters having their placards impounded, and even that fairly meekly done. Truly the mark of a civilised country.
    Charles has the advantage of commanding auto-loyalty from the right whilst appealing to many on the left because of his lifelong commitment to charity work promoting the environment, the young, and so on. He’s managed to appear both ahead of his time in his championing various organic/environmental causes whilst appealing to the retros with his opposition to modern architecture and the rest.

    If William has anything between his ears he ought now to be thinking what he wants to be associated with when his turn to get the London procession in the rain comes around.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,753
    I remember a time when Medvedev was, whilst not considered one of the good guys, a fairly acceptable face of Russian politics.

    “Former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev has threatened anyone convicted of carrying out Saturday’s attack on nationalist writer Zakhar Prilepin with death in prison.

    Writing on Telegram, Medvedev, who is now deputy chairman of Russia’s security council, said that any suspects, “like other criminals, will be tried for the attack and sentenced to long prison terms”.

    He continued: “But it is important that they and others like them realise a simple thing: even for those sentenced to life imprisonment (under the conditions of a moratorium on the death penalty), incidents and accidents sometimes happen.

    “And then a lengthy sentence is quickly interrupted for natural reasons due to the death of the prisoner. And it also has great educational value for the new bastards who are hired to carry out assassinations.”

    Prilepin, a prominent supporter of the war in Ukraine, was in the Nizhny Novgorod region of Russia on Saturday when his car exploded, injuring him and killing his driver.”

    From the Guardian.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,704
    Chris said:

    londonpubman said:

    I suspect that the monarchy will still be in place in 1,000 years time 👍

    Are you willing to take a bet on that?
    Betting? I never do that!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,247
    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    pigeon said:

    With the police arresting people for exercising free speech against the monarchy, that tells us the poor place the monarchy finds itself in, a self confident monarchy wouldn’t need the state to bully their citizens like this.

    The Conservative Party generally, and the Home Secretary in particular, along with the attraction that police work has to people who derive enjoyment from abusing power and abusing other people, are responsible for the wave of forcible detentions. Not the King, regardless of whether you think he merits his status or not.

    Could the coronation of King Charles III be the UK’s last coronation?

    QTWTAIN.

    Caught by the New Thread, my thoughts on the protests:

    Indeed, as I responded to accusations of not being proud of Britain a few days back:

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/4386927#Comment_4386927

    One thing in particular that makes me proud is that monarchist and jingoistic self-importance is met by British mickey-taking and pricking that pomposity, rather than violent mobs. The worst that happened yesterday was a few protesters having their placards impounded, and even that fairly meekly done. Truly the mark of a civilised country.
    If William has anything between his ears he ought now to be thinking what he wants to be associated with when his turn to get the London procession in the rain comes around.
    There are questions about that of course, though if Harry is to be believed the man is secretly a rage machine, but it's not an easy thing to put a finger on. I doubt Charles was thinking he would be praised for eco-awareness 30 years ago, so looking far ahead is hard.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,683
    kle4 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    Stuartinromford said:

    FF43 said:

    More.on this:

    About 14 million saw King being Crowned, live on BBC TV. This is about half of the TV audience for the Queen's funeral last Autumn (29 million across channels and outlets). The Lionesses had an 11 million average, 17 million peak. and England v Italy 2020 had a 31m peak

    https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/1655175061924397057


    Not that surprising. The respects for Elizabeth were for both the office and the holder, and Charles only has the first of those so far, which isn't worth as much as seventy years ago. At the moment, there's still a bit of a "you're not my real dad" vibe going on.

    Longer term, there's a challenge for the monarchy if the monarch is always old-to-dying. That will be tricky to solve.
    Next Coronation will have a King aged in his fifties, albeit as bald as a billiard ball.
    Really?
    You don't give the King any odds at all of surviving 19 years and a month?
    Given the very best healthcare, not smoking, and his family history of longevity, I would say there's a pretty good chance the next King will be crowned in his sixties.
    The solution to this ageing problem is obvious - switching from primogeniture to ultimogeniture.
    The old Welsh system was better still: battle-royal between anyone who fancied their chances.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,487
    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    pigeon said:

    With the police arresting people for exercising free speech against the monarchy, that tells us the poor place the monarchy finds itself in, a self confident monarchy wouldn’t need the state to bully their citizens like this.

    The Conservative Party generally, and the Home Secretary in particular, along with the attraction that police work has to people who derive enjoyment from abusing power and abusing other people, are responsible for the wave of forcible detentions. Not the King, regardless of whether you think he merits his status or not.

    Could the coronation of King Charles III be the UK’s last coronation?

    QTWTAIN.

    Caught by the New Thread, my thoughts on the protests:

    Indeed, as I responded to accusations of not being proud of Britain a few days back:

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/4386927#Comment_4386927

    One thing in particular that makes me proud is that monarchist and jingoistic self-importance is met by British mickey-taking and pricking that pomposity, rather than violent mobs. The worst that happened yesterday was a few protesters having their placards impounded, and even that fairly meekly done. Truly the mark of a civilised country.
    Charles has the advantage of commanding auto-loyalty from the right whilst appealing to many on the left because of his lifelong commitment to charity work promoting the environment, the young, and so on. He’s managed to appear both ahead of his time in his championing various organic/environmental causes whilst appealing to the retros with his opposition to modern architecture and the rest.

    If William has anything between his ears he ought now to be thinking what he wants to be associated with when his turn to get the London procession in the rain comes around.
    Perhaps he will do his own flypast?

    It really is quite hard to think what his interests are.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,247
    Alphabet_Soup said:

    kle4 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    Stuartinromford said:

    FF43 said:

    More.on this:

    About 14 million saw King being Crowned, live on BBC TV. This is about half of the TV audience for the Queen's funeral last Autumn (29 million across channels and outlets). The Lionesses had an 11 million average, 17 million peak. and England v Italy 2020 had a 31m peak

    https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/1655175061924397057


    Not that surprising. The respects for Elizabeth were for both the office and the holder, and Charles only has the first of those so far, which isn't worth as much as seventy years ago. At the moment, there's still a bit of a "you're not my real dad" vibe going on.

    Longer term, there's a challenge for the monarchy if the monarch is always old-to-dying. That will be tricky to solve.
    Next Coronation will have a King aged in his fifties, albeit as bald as a billiard ball.
    Really?
    You don't give the King any odds at all of surviving 19 years and a month?
    Given the very best healthcare, not smoking, and his family history of longevity, I would say there's a pretty good chance the next King will be crowned in his sixties.
    The solution to this ageing problem is obvious - switching from primogeniture to ultimogeniture.
    The old Welsh system was better still: battle-royal between anyone who fancied their chances.
    Makes you strong! But also poor.

    Apparently Lukashenko in Belarus is following my proposal, as his favouite son has long been his youngest son, who is 29 years younger than the eldest.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,487
    Alphabet_Soup said:

    kle4 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    Stuartinromford said:

    FF43 said:

    More.on this:

    About 14 million saw King being Crowned, live on BBC TV. This is about half of the TV audience for the Queen's funeral last Autumn (29 million across channels and outlets). The Lionesses had an 11 million average, 17 million peak. and England v Italy 2020 had a 31m peak

    https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/1655175061924397057


    Not that surprising. The respects for Elizabeth were for both the office and the holder, and Charles only has the first of those so far, which isn't worth as much as seventy years ago. At the moment, there's still a bit of a "you're not my real dad" vibe going on.

    Longer term, there's a challenge for the monarchy if the monarch is always old-to-dying. That will be tricky to solve.
    Next Coronation will have a King aged in his fifties, albeit as bald as a billiard ball.
    Really?
    You don't give the King any odds at all of surviving 19 years and a month?
    Given the very best healthcare, not smoking, and his family history of longevity, I would say there's a pretty good chance the next King will be crowned in his sixties.
    The solution to this ageing problem is obvious - switching from primogeniture to ultimogeniture.
    The old Welsh system was better still: battle-royal between anyone who fancied their chances.
    My money would be on Harry, even after losing the battle of the dog bowl.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,593
    Alphabet_Soup said:

    kle4 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    Stuartinromford said:

    FF43 said:

    More.on this:

    About 14 million saw King being Crowned, live on BBC TV. This is about half of the TV audience for the Queen's funeral last Autumn (29 million across channels and outlets). The Lionesses had an 11 million average, 17 million peak. and England v Italy 2020 had a 31m peak

    https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/1655175061924397057


    Not that surprising. The respects for Elizabeth were for both the office and the holder, and Charles only has the first of those so far, which isn't worth as much as seventy years ago. At the moment, there's still a bit of a "you're not my real dad" vibe going on.

    Longer term, there's a challenge for the monarchy if the monarch is always old-to-dying. That will be tricky to solve.
    Next Coronation will have a King aged in his fifties, albeit as bald as a billiard ball.
    Really?
    You don't give the King any odds at all of surviving 19 years and a month?
    Given the very best healthcare, not smoking, and his family history of longevity, I would say there's a pretty good chance the next King will be crowned in his sixties.
    The solution to this ageing problem is obvious - switching from primogeniture to ultimogeniture.
    The old Welsh system was better still: battle-royal between anyone who fancied their chances.
    Because the Welsh went on to build an empire that bestrode the globe?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,795
    Cookie said:

    Not really surprising. The football was both more exciting and more entertaining. I'd think it odd if the coronation wasn't televised, but I'd also think it odd if the nation was glued to it. We have so much more to divert us than our counterparts for the Queen's coronation 70 years ago.

    34% not looking forward to anything this weekend, though. Miserable buggers.

    Personally, I rather enjoyed seeing the bunting out, and I enjoyed the little street party in the cul de sac behind our house. Small scale and drunken, it was. And I will also enjoy an extra day off work tomorrow. My glass is definitely half full.

    I'll never understand why club football is so interesting to so many people. Don't mind watching internationals.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,247
    Chris said:

    londonpubman said:

    I suspect that the monarchy will still be in place in 1,000 years time 👍

    Are you willing to take a bet on that?
    Everyone be careful - assuming we have descendents and the survive the global ecological collapse, alien invasion, and the singularity, they may regard this as an enforcable contract.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,247
    boulay said:

    I remember a time when Medvedev was, whilst not considered one of the good guys, a fairly acceptable face of Russian politics.

    “Former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev has threatened anyone convicted of carrying out Saturday’s attack on nationalist writer Zakhar Prilepin with death in prison.

    Writing on Telegram, Medvedev, who is now deputy chairman of Russia’s security council, said that any suspects, “like other criminals, will be tried for the attack and sentenced to long prison terms”.

    He continued: “But it is important that they and others like them realise a simple thing: even for those sentenced to life imprisonment (under the conditions of a moratorium on the death penalty), incidents and accidents sometimes happen.

    “And then a lengthy sentence is quickly interrupted for natural reasons due to the death of the prisoner. And it also has great educational value for the new bastards who are hired to carry out assassinations.”

    Prilepin, a prominent supporter of the war in Ukraine, was in the Nizhny Novgorod region of Russia on Saturday when his car exploded, injuring him and killing his driver.”

    From the Guardian.

    His current role appears to be the drunken loudmouth of the Russian government - is that designed to make Putin appear the more rational statesman?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,487
    kle4 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    pigeon said:

    With the police arresting people for exercising free speech against the monarchy, that tells us the poor place the monarchy finds itself in, a self confident monarchy wouldn’t need the state to bully their citizens like this.

    The Conservative Party generally, and the Home Secretary in particular, along with the attraction that police work has to people who derive enjoyment from abusing power and abusing other people, are responsible for the wave of forcible detentions. Not the King, regardless of whether you think he merits his status or not.

    Could the coronation of King Charles III be the UK’s last coronation?

    QTWTAIN.

    Caught by the New Thread, my thoughts on the protests:

    Indeed, as I responded to accusations of not being proud of Britain a few days back:

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/4386927#Comment_4386927

    One thing in particular that makes me proud is that monarchist and jingoistic self-importance is met by British mickey-taking and pricking that pomposity, rather than violent mobs. The worst that happened yesterday was a few protesters having their placards impounded, and even that fairly meekly done. Truly the mark of a civilised country.
    If William has anything between his ears he ought now to be thinking what he wants to be associated with when his turn to get the London procession in the rain comes around.
    There are questions about that of course, though if Harry is to be believed the man is secretly a rage machine, but it's not an easy thing to put a finger on. I doubt Charles was thinking he would be praised for eco-awareness 30 years ago, so looking far ahead is hard.
    That is the desolate future for William, trying to find something to be interested in to fill the gap until his dad dies.
  • LDLFLDLF Posts: 164
    edited May 2023
    Deleted - double post.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,337
    Alphabet_Soup said:

    kle4 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    Stuartinromford said:

    FF43 said:

    More.on this:

    About 14 million saw King being Crowned, live on BBC TV. This is about half of the TV audience for the Queen's funeral last Autumn (29 million across channels and outlets). The Lionesses had an 11 million average, 17 million peak. and England v Italy 2020 had a 31m peak

    https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/1655175061924397057


    Not that surprising. The respects for Elizabeth were for both the office and the holder, and Charles only has the first of those so far, which isn't worth as much as seventy years ago. At the moment, there's still a bit of a "you're not my real dad" vibe going on.

    Longer term, there's a challenge for the monarchy if the monarch is always old-to-dying. That will be tricky to solve.
    Next Coronation will have a King aged in his fifties, albeit as bald as a billiard ball.
    Really?
    You don't give the King any odds at all of surviving 19 years and a month?
    Given the very best healthcare, not smoking, and his family history of longevity, I would say there's a pretty good chance the next King will be crowned in his sixties.
    The solution to this ageing problem is obvious - switching from primogeniture to ultimogeniture.
    The old Welsh system was better still: battle-royal between anyone who fancied their chances.
    In which case, all hail Queen Penelope.
  • LDLFLDLF Posts: 164
    edited May 2023
    Leon said:

    londonpubman said:

    I suspect that the monarchy will still be in place in 1,000 years time 👍

    What was that famous saying by King Ibn Saud? Something like “in 1000 years there will be just five kings left. The Kings of Spades, Hearts, Diamonds, Clubs and England”
    That's pretty much the quote, though I believe it was Farouk, the fat King of Egypt, who said it. In the fine tradition of monarchs being of foreign descent, the Egyptian royal family was descended from an Albanian Ottoman general. The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is suprisingly new - founded by the father of the present king.

    I stick to my earlier stated opinion on this - remove the monarchy at your peril. The French made it their national identity and every 50 years since that moment they have binned their entire constitution and started an entirely new one. They have also ended up with a far more monarchical system of government than any European monarchy outside of the Holy See.

    It seems peculiar to me that, given the tremendous fuss we have just had over changing a fifty-year-old part of our constitution (a tale that still has not fully played out), we consider changing a millenium-old part of it and not imagine that there might be unintended consequences.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,766
    kle4 said:

    Chris said:

    londonpubman said:

    I suspect that the monarchy will still be in place in 1,000 years time 👍

    Are you willing to take a bet on that?
    Everyone be careful - assuming we have descendents and the survive the global ecological collapse, alien invasion, and the singularity, they may regard this as an enforcable contract.
    Depends whether the currency in question is still in existence. Even inflation-proofing would be impossible, though. It's hard enough in my experience and reading assessing the value of money in 1823 versus today (critically dependent on social class, inter aliis).
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,247
    IanB2 said:

    Alphabet_Soup said:

    kle4 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    Stuartinromford said:

    FF43 said:

    More.on this:

    About 14 million saw King being Crowned, live on BBC TV. This is about half of the TV audience for the Queen's funeral last Autumn (29 million across channels and outlets). The Lionesses had an 11 million average, 17 million peak. and England v Italy 2020 had a 31m peak

    https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/1655175061924397057


    Not that surprising. The respects for Elizabeth were for both the office and the holder, and Charles only has the first of those so far, which isn't worth as much as seventy years ago. At the moment, there's still a bit of a "you're not my real dad" vibe going on.

    Longer term, there's a challenge for the monarchy if the monarch is always old-to-dying. That will be tricky to solve.
    Next Coronation will have a King aged in his fifties, albeit as bald as a billiard ball.
    Really?
    You don't give the King any odds at all of surviving 19 years and a month?
    Given the very best healthcare, not smoking, and his family history of longevity, I would say there's a pretty good chance the next King will be crowned in his sixties.
    The solution to this ageing problem is obvious - switching from primogeniture to ultimogeniture.
    The old Welsh system was better still: battle-royal between anyone who fancied their chances.
    Because the Welsh went on to build an empire that bestrode the globe?
    True, but the last time English royals really started battling it out between family factions it was a mostly unknown Welshman who ended up on top, so the appeal of a system pretty much designed to lead to family conflict is apparent for them.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,756
    Quick quiz: where is this?


  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,487
    Andy_JS said:

    Cookie said:

    Not really surprising. The football was both more exciting and more entertaining. I'd think it odd if the coronation wasn't televised, but I'd also think it odd if the nation was glued to it. We have so much more to divert us than our counterparts for the Queen's coronation 70 years ago.

    34% not looking forward to anything this weekend, though. Miserable buggers.

    Personally, I rather enjoyed seeing the bunting out, and I enjoyed the little street party in the cul de sac behind our house. Small scale and drunken, it was. And I will also enjoy an extra day off work tomorrow. My glass is definitely half full.

    I'll never understand why club football is so interesting to so many people. Don't mind watching internationals.
    Massive matches tomorrow for Leicester, Everton, Southampton and Nottingham. All teams are desperate for points. I would be happy with a point off Fulham. Forest should get their final 3 of the season.

    It's as tight as a gnats arse at the bottom of the PL.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,247
    edited May 2023
    Cookie said:

    Quick quiz: where is this?


    I was going to say southern Spain, but it looks vaguely like something I've seen out of an Assassin's Creed game, so I'm going with Florence or Istanbul.

    Now you'll tell me its Grimsby.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,247
    Northern_Al said:

    On British values, while yesterday may have showcased the best of them, it also showcased a very recent example of the worst of them.

    It really isn't very British at all to enable the police to arrest people because they may be about to engage in a 'disruptive' protest. The legislation came into force just last Tuesday. People may be pretty relaxed about it being used in the exceptional circumstances of yesterday. But I don't think we should be at all relaxed about giving the police carte blanche in the future to make a subjective judgement, before any offence is committed, about whether one is likely to be committed.

    Most unBritish. Thanks, Suella and the Tories. I hope Labour promises to repeal this bit of the legislation.

    Governments rarely give up power that has been accrued, even if the party in charge opposed it when in opposition. That's why despite some being against it Home Secretaries still have the power to withdraw someones citizenship.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,701
    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Quick quiz: where is this?


    I was going to say southern Spain, but it looks vaguely like something I've seen out of an Assassin's Creed game, so I'm going with Florence or Istanbul.

    Now you'll tell me its Grimsby.
    Here we come?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,265
    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Quick quiz: where is this?


    I was going to say southern Spain, but it looks vaguely like something I've seen out of an Assassin's Creed game, so I'm going with Florence or Istanbul.

    Now you'll tell me its Grimsby.
    I'm going with UK because it looks so exotic. I am thinking some sort of Mill chimney disguised as an exotic tower by prosperous Victorians.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,152
    edited May 2023
    Cookie said:

    Quick quiz: where is this?


    Stockport.

    Edit - Manchester
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,756
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Cookie said:

    Quick quiz: where is this?


    Stockport.
    TSE is closest so far.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,249
    I think Charles is quite likely to retire and not go onto the bitter end.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,152
    Cookie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Cookie said:

    Quick quiz: where is this?


    Stockport.
    TSE is closest so far.
    Manchester Prison.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,756
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Quick quiz: where is this?


    I was going to say southern Spain, but it looks vaguely like something I've seen out of an Assassin's Creed game, so I'm going with Florence or Istanbul.

    Now you'll tell me its Grimsby.
    I'm going with UK because it looks so exotic. I am thinking some sort of Mill chimney disguised as an exotic tower by prosperous Victorians.
    UK, yes. Not a mill, but yes, a Victorian flourish where you might not expect one.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 5,173
    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    pigeon said:

    With the police arresting people for exercising free speech against the monarchy, that tells us the poor place the monarchy finds itself in, a self confident monarchy wouldn’t need the state to bully their citizens like this.

    The Conservative Party generally, and the Home Secretary in particular, along with the attraction that police work has to people who derive enjoyment from abusing power and abusing other people, are responsible for the wave of forcible detentions. Not the King, regardless of whether you think he merits his status or not.

    Could the coronation of King Charles III be the UK’s last coronation?

    QTWTAIN.

    Caught by the New Thread, my thoughts on the protests:

    Indeed, as I responded to accusations of not being proud of Britain a few days back:

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/4386927#Comment_4386927

    One thing in particular that makes me proud is that monarchist and jingoistic self-importance is met by British mickey-taking and pricking that pomposity, rather than violent mobs. The worst that happened yesterday was a few protesters having their placards impounded, and even that fairly meekly done. Truly the mark of a civilised country.
    Charles has the advantage of commanding auto-loyalty from the right whilst appealing to many on the left because of his lifelong commitment to charity work promoting the environment, the young, and so on. He’s managed to appear both ahead of his time in his championing various organic/environmental causes whilst appealing to the retros with his opposition to modern architecture and the rest.

    If William has anything between his ears he ought now to be thinking what he wants to be associated with when his turn to get the London procession in the rain comes around.
    Perhaps he will do his own flypast?

    It really is quite hard to think what his interests are.
    William is very into green stuff, it would appear. Hence the Earthshot Prize. Hence also his reported desire to destroy all the ivory artefacts in the Royal Collection. Caring about sustainability and elephants is unlikely to get him into too much trouble, save with the shrinking rump of climate change deniers, whom nobody else likes.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,030
    Casino_Royale said:

    It's a slightly odd poll. "Neither" ? Who wouldn't look forward to a bank holiday weekend?

    I wonder if this just measures British cynicism and non-deferential thinking; it would be somewhat uncool to look forward to the coronation this weekend, unless you were a strong monarchist, because it suggests it's the most important thing in your life and our society is quite atomised these days. And we are all centered on our own choices and priorities.

    But, that doesn't mean you won't participate and enjoy it when it arrives. My whole village were out today and I met neighbours I never would have were it not for the monarchy.

    Like much else in life: it's complicated.

    Lots of people work have to work bank holiday weekends and may feel they are missing out. Others are expected to visit family they may not like. Some people may enjoy the routine of working and miss that.

    People are different.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,593
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Cookie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Cookie said:

    Quick quiz: where is this?


    Stockport.
    TSE is closest so far.
    Manchester Prison.
    You clearly have the advantage of having stared at it for longer than any of us.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,030
    Dialup said:

    Goodness me, Hell really has frozen over, I agree with Julia Hartley-Brewer.

    The difference is being released without charge within 24 hours vs being sent to tough prisons in Siberia.

    The Met were probably over the top, the govt (and Labour) too willing to take extra powers but this is not Putin's Russia.

    JHB silly as usual, even when on the "correct" side of the argument.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,152
    IanB2 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Cookie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Cookie said:

    Quick quiz: where is this?


    Stockport.
    TSE is closest so far.
    Manchester Prison.
    You clearly have the advantage of having stared at it for longer than any of us.
    It is a mile away from my office and two miles from my apartment in Manchester.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,466
    edited May 2023
    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Quick quiz: where is this?


    I was going to say southern Spain, but it looks vaguely like something I've seen out of an Assassin's Creed game, so I'm going with Florence or Istanbul.

    Now you'll tell me its Grimsby.
    My first thought was Grimsby Dock Tower as well; they're reasonably similar but not the same.

    edit; I'm thinking what you need tall towers for: chimneys (though the draught would be cr@p with that design; you need wind to help the smoke out); water tower; hydraulic tower; observation.

    My *guess* would be a hydraulic tower.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited May 2023
    Northern_Al said:

    On British values, while yesterday may have showcased the best of them, it also showcased a very recent example of the worst of them.

    It really isn't very British at all to enable the police to arrest people because they may be about to engage in a 'disruptive' protest. The legislation came into force just last Tuesday. People may be pretty relaxed about it being used in the exceptional circumstances of yesterday. But I don't think we should be at all relaxed about giving the police carte blanche in the future to make a subjective judgement, before any offence is committed, about whether one is likely to be committed.

    Most unBritish. Thanks, Suella and the Tories. I hope Labour promises to repeal this bit of the legislation.

    I’m not at all comfortable with pre-crime, however it is legislated, however enforced.

    The state needs to do the hard and expensive thing. Solve actual crimes.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,030
    Andy_JS said:

    Cookie said:

    Not really surprising. The football was both more exciting and more entertaining. I'd think it odd if the coronation wasn't televised, but I'd also think it odd if the nation was glued to it. We have so much more to divert us than our counterparts for the Queen's coronation 70 years ago.

    34% not looking forward to anything this weekend, though. Miserable buggers.

    Personally, I rather enjoyed seeing the bunting out, and I enjoyed the little street party in the cul de sac behind our house. Small scale and drunken, it was. And I will also enjoy an extra day off work tomorrow. My glass is definitely half full.

    I'll never understand why club football is so interesting to so many people. Don't mind watching internationals.
    So many "I'll never understand why people like" x,y or z this weekend. I'll never understand how intelligent people can not understand that not everyone shares their tastes!
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,756
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Cookie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Cookie said:

    Quick quiz: where is this?


    Stockport.
    TSE is closest so far.
    Manchester Prison.
    Well done Eagles! It's Strangeways.
    I think about this landmark often. It's fairly prominent on the skyline and not unpleasant looking. Most prisons are hidden away, but not this one.
    The surrounding area is a bit grim, but in ten years it won't be. It's close to Central Manchester and ripe for redevelopment. I imagine the prison will move, but I hope the tower stays. Maybe it could be a minor tourist attraction to see the view from the top.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,487
    Casino_Royale said:

    It's a slightly odd poll. "Neither" ? Who wouldn't look forward to a bank holiday weekend?

    I wonder if this just measures British cynicism and non-deferential thinking; it would be somewhat uncool to look forward to the coronation this weekend, unless you were a strong monarchist, because it suggests it's the most important thing in your life and our society is quite atomised these days. And we are all centered on our own choices and priorities.

    But, that doesn't mean you won't participate and enjoy it when it arrives. My whole village were out today and I met neighbours I never would have were it not for the monarchy.

    Like much else in life: it's complicated.

    Only 9% of over 65's are looking forward to an extra Bank Holiday, presumably because they are retired.

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2023/05/05/ba1bd/1

  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited May 2023
    noneoftheabove said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Cookie said:

    Not really surprising. The football was both more exciting and more entertaining. I'd think it odd if the coronation wasn't televised, but I'd also think it odd if the nation was glued to it. We have so much more to divert us than our counterparts for the Queen's coronation 70 years ago.

    34% not looking forward to anything this weekend, though. Miserable buggers.

    Personally, I rather enjoyed seeing the bunting out, and I enjoyed the little street party in the cul de sac behind our house. Small scale and drunken, it was. And I will also enjoy an extra day off work tomorrow. My glass is definitely half full.

    I'll never understand why club football is so interesting to so many people. Don't mind watching internationals.
    So many "I'll never understand why people like" x,y or z this weekend. I'll never understand how intelligent people can not understand that not everyone shares their tastes!
    Lol.

    I’m actually with @Andy_JS on this one.

    Unless I’ve got a free bet to use up, which I throw on a club game, i’m just not emotionally invested. Never have been.

    International football, on the other hand…
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,701
    edited May 2023
    Deleted
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,487
    FF43 said:

    I think Charles is quite likely to retire and not go onto the bitter end.

    I think that quite possible, though he will want to give it a dozen years or so.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,605
    edited May 2023
    .
    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    pigeon said:

    With the police arresting people for exercising free speech against the monarchy, that tells us the poor place the monarchy finds itself in, a self confident monarchy wouldn’t need the state to bully their citizens like this.

    The Conservative Party generally, and the Home Secretary in particular, along with the attraction that police work has to people who derive enjoyment from abusing power and abusing other people, are responsible for the wave of forcible detentions. Not the King, regardless of whether you think he merits his status or not.

    Could the coronation of King Charles III be the UK’s last coronation?

    QTWTAIN.

    Caught by the New Thread, my thoughts on the protests:

    Indeed, as I responded to accusations of not being proud of Britain a few days back:

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/4386927#Comment_4386927

    One thing in particular that makes me proud is that monarchist and jingoistic self-importance is met by British mickey-taking and pricking that pomposity, rather than violent mobs. The worst that happened yesterday was a few protesters having their placards impounded, and even that fairly meekly done. Truly the mark of a civilised country.
    Charles has the advantage of commanding auto-loyalty from the right whilst appealing to many on the left because of his lifelong commitment to charity work promoting the environment, the young, and so on. He’s managed to appear both ahead of his time in his championing various organic/environmental causes whilst appealing to the retros with his opposition to modern architecture and the rest.

    If William has anything between his ears he ought now to be thinking what he wants to be associated with when his turn to get the London procession in the rain comes around.
    Perhaps he will do his own flypast?

    It really is quite hard to think what his interests are.
    Some folk think they have him pegged..
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,487
    Theuniondivvie said:

    .

    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    pigeon said:

    With the police arresting people for exercising free speech against the monarchy, that tells us the poor place the monarchy finds itself in, a self confident monarchy wouldn’t need the state to bully their citizens like this.

    The Conservative Party generally, and the Home Secretary in particular, along with the attraction that police work has to people who derive enjoyment from abusing power and abusing other people, are responsible for the wave of forcible detentions. Not the King, regardless of whether you think he merits his status or not.

    Could the coronation of King Charles III be the UK’s last coronation?

    QTWTAIN.

    Caught by the New Thread, my thoughts on the protests:

    Indeed, as I responded to accusations of not being proud of Britain a few days back:

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/4386927#Comment_4386927

    One thing in particular that makes me proud is that monarchist and jingoistic self-importance is met by British mickey-taking and pricking that pomposity, rather than violent mobs. The worst that happened yesterday was a few protesters having their placards impounded, and even that fairly meekly done. Truly the mark of a civilised country.
    Charles has the advantage of commanding auto-loyalty from the right whilst appealing to many on the left because of his lifelong commitment to charity work promoting the environment, the young, and so on. He’s managed to appear both ahead of his time in his championing various organic/environmental causes whilst appealing to the retros with his opposition to modern architecture and the rest.

    If William has anything between his ears he ought now to be thinking what he wants to be associated with when his turn to get the London procession in the rain comes around.
    Perhaps he will do his own flypast?

    It really is quite hard to think what his interests are.
    Some folk think they have him pegged..
    Glad someone Rose to the occasion.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,030
    edited May 2023
    ping said:

    noneoftheabove said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Cookie said:

    Not really surprising. The football was both more exciting and more entertaining. I'd think it odd if the coronation wasn't televised, but I'd also think it odd if the nation was glued to it. We have so much more to divert us than our counterparts for the Queen's coronation 70 years ago.

    34% not looking forward to anything this weekend, though. Miserable buggers.

    Personally, I rather enjoyed seeing the bunting out, and I enjoyed the little street party in the cul de sac behind our house. Small scale and drunken, it was. And I will also enjoy an extra day off work tomorrow. My glass is definitely half full.

    I'll never understand why club football is so interesting to so many people. Don't mind watching internationals.
    So many "I'll never understand why people like" x,y or z this weekend. I'll never understand how intelligent people can not understand that not everyone shares their tastes!
    Lol.

    I’m actually with @Andy_JS on this one.

    Unless I’ve got a free bet to use up, which I throw on a club game, i’m just not emotionally invested. Never have been.

    International football, on the other hand…
    Nothing wrong with preferring international football. Quite strange to not understand why some prefer club football.
  • MuesliMuesli Posts: 202
    pigeon said:

    With the police arresting people for exercising free speech against the monarchy, that tells us the poor place the monarchy finds itself in, a self confident monarchy wouldn’t need the state to bully their citizens like this.

    The Conservative Party generally, and the Home Secretary in particular, along with the attraction that police work has to people who derive enjoyment from abusing power and abusing other people, are responsible for the wave of forcible detentions. Not the King, regardless of whether you think he merits his status or not.

    Exactly. It’s utterly absurd to hold the royals responsible for yesterday’s arrests as if the Metropolitan Police are their own private militia. The Met are quite capable of fucking things up all by themselves (I’m sure we’ll get another treatise on the matter from Cyclefree in due course) without any input from Buck House. That said, if there was any external pressure put on the Met, it would have come from either Mayor Khan’t or the deranged authoritarian in the Home Office. Anyone not desperately grasping for reasons to find fault with the royals could see that.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,605
    ..
    Foxy said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    .

    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    pigeon said:

    With the police arresting people for exercising free speech against the monarchy, that tells us the poor place the monarchy finds itself in, a self confident monarchy wouldn’t need the state to bully their citizens like this.

    The Conservative Party generally, and the Home Secretary in particular, along with the attraction that police work has to people who derive enjoyment from abusing power and abusing other people, are responsible for the wave of forcible detentions. Not the King, regardless of whether you think he merits his status or not.

    Could the coronation of King Charles III be the UK’s last coronation?

    QTWTAIN.

    Caught by the New Thread, my thoughts on the protests:

    Indeed, as I responded to accusations of not being proud of Britain a few days back:

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/4386927#Comment_4386927

    One thing in particular that makes me proud is that monarchist and jingoistic self-importance is met by British mickey-taking and pricking that pomposity, rather than violent mobs. The worst that happened yesterday was a few protesters having their placards impounded, and even that fairly meekly done. Truly the mark of a civilised country.
    Charles has the advantage of commanding auto-loyalty from the right whilst appealing to many on the left because of his lifelong commitment to charity work promoting the environment, the young, and so on. He’s managed to appear both ahead of his time in his championing various organic/environmental causes whilst appealing to the retros with his opposition to modern architecture and the rest.

    If William has anything between his ears he ought now to be thinking what he wants to be associated with when his turn to get the London procession in the rain comes around.
    Perhaps he will do his own flypast?

    It really is quite hard to think what his interests are.
    Some folk think they have him pegged..
    Glad someone Rose to the occasion.
    I believe he had a Ducati Panigale at one point which made him very mildly interesting, but I daresay he’s put aside all that nonsense nowadays. Otoh it inspired stuff as below. Who the hell would get hot and bothered by the shiny pated Hanoverian nowadays?


  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,247
    pigeon said:

    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    pigeon said:

    With the police arresting people for exercising free speech against the monarchy, that tells us the poor place the monarchy finds itself in, a self confident monarchy wouldn’t need the state to bully their citizens like this.

    The Conservative Party generally, and the Home Secretary in particular, along with the attraction that police work has to people who derive enjoyment from abusing power and abusing other people, are responsible for the wave of forcible detentions. Not the King, regardless of whether you think he merits his status or not.

    Could the coronation of King Charles III be the UK’s last coronation?

    QTWTAIN.

    Caught by the New Thread, my thoughts on the protests:

    Indeed, as I responded to accusations of not being proud of Britain a few days back:

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/4386927#Comment_4386927

    One thing in particular that makes me proud is that monarchist and jingoistic self-importance is met by British mickey-taking and pricking that pomposity, rather than violent mobs. The worst that happened yesterday was a few protesters having their placards impounded, and even that fairly meekly done. Truly the mark of a civilised country.
    Charles has the advantage of commanding auto-loyalty from the right whilst appealing to many on the left because of his lifelong commitment to charity work promoting the environment, the young, and so on. He’s managed to appear both ahead of his time in his championing various organic/environmental causes whilst appealing to the retros with his opposition to modern architecture and the rest.

    If William has anything between his ears he ought now to be thinking what he wants to be associated with when his turn to get the London procession in the rain comes around.
    Perhaps he will do his own flypast?

    It really is quite hard to think what his interests are.
    William is very into green stuff, it would appear. Hence the Earthshot Prize. Hence also his reported desire to destroy all the ivory artefacts in the Royal Collection. Caring about sustainability and elephants is unlikely to get him into too much trouble, save with the shrinking rump of climate change deniers, whom nobody else likes.
    Yes, but it's not going to get in front of the next big thing. That might be supporting population decrease, as some climate types are all for.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,701
    edited May 2023
    Some favourite off script Manchester architecture. 4 floors of roof.



  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,795
    Lancashire need 4 wickets to win their match against Notts at Trent Bridge.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqQ6RWzugbc
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,435
    Bored with the Coronation.

    When is the thread on Lib Dem target seats, Scottish sun-samples, or how the DUP might fare in another Northern Irish poll?
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    kle4 said:

    pigeon said:

    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    pigeon said:

    With the police arresting people for exercising free speech against the monarchy, that tells us the poor place the monarchy finds itself in, a self confident monarchy wouldn’t need the state to bully their citizens like this.

    The Conservative Party generally, and the Home Secretary in particular, along with the attraction that police work has to people who derive enjoyment from abusing power and abusing other people, are responsible for the wave of forcible detentions. Not the King, regardless of whether you think he merits his status or not.

    Could the coronation of King Charles III be the UK’s last coronation?

    QTWTAIN.

    Caught by the New Thread, my thoughts on the protests:

    Indeed, as I responded to accusations of not being proud of Britain a few days back:

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/4386927#Comment_4386927

    One thing in particular that makes me proud is that monarchist and jingoistic self-importance is met by British mickey-taking and pricking that pomposity, rather than violent mobs. The worst that happened yesterday was a few protesters having their placards impounded, and even that fairly meekly done. Truly the mark of a civilised country.
    Charles has the advantage of commanding auto-loyalty from the right whilst appealing to many on the left because of his lifelong commitment to charity work promoting the environment, the young, and so on. He’s managed to appear both ahead of his time in his championing various organic/environmental causes whilst appealing to the retros with his opposition to modern architecture and the rest.

    If William has anything between his ears he ought now to be thinking what he wants to be associated with when his turn to get the London procession in the rain comes around.
    Perhaps he will do his own flypast?

    It really is quite hard to think what his interests are.
    William is very into green stuff, it would appear. Hence the Earthshot Prize. Hence also his reported desire to destroy all the ivory artefacts in the Royal Collection. Caring about sustainability and elephants is unlikely to get him into too much trouble, save with the shrinking rump of climate change deniers, whom nobody else likes.
    Yes, but it's not going to get in front of the next big thing. That might be supporting population decrease, as some climate types are all for.
    He might not be the sharpest tool in the box, but he’d have to be really quite stupid to make that his cause. He ain’t that dim.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,701
    edited May 2023
    And this piece of misplaced Berlin, complete with its own screaming eagles

  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,435
    Pro_Rata said:

    Some favourite off script Manchester architecture. 4 floors of roof.



    Could almost be New York.
    Not tall enough.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,435
    The worst thing about William’s baldness is that royal decorum forbids him to just shave the whole thing off, and it’s too late now for a hair transplant too.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,435
    Manchester has some good architecture, but it lacks a clear focal point. It should be Picadilly Gardens but they’re kind of a disaster.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,004
    Theuniondivvie said:

    ..

    Foxy said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    .

    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    pigeon said:

    With the police arresting people for exercising free speech against the monarchy, that tells us the poor place the monarchy finds itself in, a self confident monarchy wouldn’t need the state to bully their citizens like this.

    The Conservative Party generally, and the Home Secretary in particular, along with the attraction that police work has to people who derive enjoyment from abusing power and abusing other people, are responsible for the wave of forcible detentions. Not the King, regardless of whether you think he merits his status or not.

    Could the coronation of King Charles III be the UK’s last coronation?

    QTWTAIN.

    Caught by the New Thread, my thoughts on the protests:

    Indeed, as I responded to accusations of not being proud of Britain a few days back:

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/4386927#Comment_4386927

    One thing in particular that makes me proud is that monarchist and jingoistic self-importance is met by British mickey-taking and pricking that pomposity, rather than violent mobs. The worst that happened yesterday was a few protesters having their placards impounded, and even that fairly meekly done. Truly the mark of a civilised country.
    Charles has the advantage of commanding auto-loyalty from the right whilst appealing to many on the left because of his lifelong commitment to charity work promoting the environment, the young, and so on. He’s managed to appear both ahead of his time in his championing various organic/environmental causes whilst appealing to the retros with his opposition to modern architecture and the rest.

    If William has anything between his ears he ought now to be thinking what he wants to be associated with when his turn to get the London procession in the rain comes around.
    Perhaps he will do his own flypast?

    It really is quite hard to think what his interests are.
    Some folk think they have him pegged..
    Glad someone Rose to the occasion.
    I believe he had a Ducati Panigale at one point which made him very mildly interesting, but I daresay he’s put aside all that nonsense nowadays. Otoh it inspired stuff as below. Who the hell would get hot and bothered by the shiny pated Hanoverian nowadays?


    I didn't know about the Ducati.

    That's quite cool.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,552
    ping said:

    noneoftheabove said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Cookie said:

    Not really surprising. The football was both more exciting and more entertaining. I'd think it odd if the coronation wasn't televised, but I'd also think it odd if the nation was glued to it. We have so much more to divert us than our counterparts for the Queen's coronation 70 years ago.

    34% not looking forward to anything this weekend, though. Miserable buggers.

    Personally, I rather enjoyed seeing the bunting out, and I enjoyed the little street party in the cul de sac behind our house. Small scale and drunken, it was. And I will also enjoy an extra day off work tomorrow. My glass is definitely half full.

    I'll never understand why club football is so interesting to so many people. Don't mind watching internationals.
    So many "I'll never understand why people like" x,y or z this weekend. I'll never understand how intelligent people can not understand that not everyone shares their tastes!
    Lol.

    I’m actually with @Andy_JS on this one.

    Unless I’ve got a free bet to use up, which I throw on a club game, i’m just not emotionally invested. Never have been.

    International football, on the other hand…
    Most hardcore fans are the opposite. Eg ask a Sheffield Wednesday supporter which they'd prefer of England winning the World Cup and the Owls winning the Play Offs and getting promoted and it's a no brainer it's the latter. Why? Because when your club wins you share the buzz with fewer people. It's more exclusive.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,971
    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    More.on this:

    About 14 million saw King being Crowned, live on BBC TV. This is about half of the TV audience for the Queen's funeral last Autumn (29 million across channels and outlets). The Lionesses had an 11 million average, 17 million peak. and England v Italy 2020 had a 31m peak

    https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/1655175061924397057


    You sure?


    “King Charles’s coronation watched by peak TV audience of 20m
    Event was most watched broadcast of year”


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/may/07/king-charles-coronation-watched-by-peak-tv-audience-of-20-million?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    And we’ve yet to get the catch up and internet figures. I suspect the Palace will be just fine with this

    Indeed the Guardian is so cheesed off that it was watched by a lot of people, they are blaming the weather:

    “The viewing figures for the coronation at Westminster Abbey may have been boosted by the poor weather in parts of the UK, which forced people to stay inside”

    So cheesed off that they gave it an approving write up ?
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/may/06/it-was-ludicrous-but-also-magnificent-the-coronation-stirred-every-emotion?CMP=share_btn_tw

    You’re just determined to pick a fight where one doesn’t exist. A bit like @Anabobazina ‘s recent posts.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,552
    kle4 said:

    pigeon said:

    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    pigeon said:

    With the police arresting people for exercising free speech against the monarchy, that tells us the poor place the monarchy finds itself in, a self confident monarchy wouldn’t need the state to bully their citizens like this.

    The Conservative Party generally, and the Home Secretary in particular, along with the attraction that police work has to people who derive enjoyment from abusing power and abusing other people, are responsible for the wave of forcible detentions. Not the King, regardless of whether you think he merits his status or not.

    Could the coronation of King Charles III be the UK’s last coronation?

    QTWTAIN.

    Caught by the New Thread, my thoughts on the protests:

    Indeed, as I responded to accusations of not being proud of Britain a few days back:

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/4386927#Comment_4386927

    One thing in particular that makes me proud is that monarchist and jingoistic self-importance is met by British mickey-taking and pricking that pomposity, rather than violent mobs. The worst that happened yesterday was a few protesters having their placards impounded, and even that fairly meekly done. Truly the mark of a civilised country.
    Charles has the advantage of commanding auto-loyalty from the right whilst appealing to many on the left because of his lifelong commitment to charity work promoting the environment, the young, and so on. He’s managed to appear both ahead of his time in his championing various organic/environmental causes whilst appealing to the retros with his opposition to modern architecture and the rest.

    If William has anything between his ears he ought now to be thinking what he wants to be associated with when his turn to get the London procession in the rain comes around.
    Perhaps he will do his own flypast?

    It really is quite hard to think what his interests are.
    William is very into green stuff, it would appear. Hence the Earthshot Prize. Hence also his reported desire to destroy all the ivory artefacts in the Royal Collection. Caring about sustainability and elephants is unlikely to get him into too much trouble, save with the shrinking rump of climate change deniers, whom nobody else likes.
    Yes, but it's not going to get in front of the next big thing. That might be supporting population decrease, as some climate types are all for.
    How about championing reparations for slavery?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,956
    As an aside, 5.5 million Ukrainians (mostly women and children) who fled the country at the beginning of the war have returned home.

    I mention this because some posters were adamant that they were never going to leave.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,004
    edited May 2023
    18-20 million watching the Coronation isn't bad. That's 27% of the entire population which, in this day and age, is about as good as it gets. My estimate a week ago was about 10-11 million. And I expect the viewing figures will edge a bit higher still once catch-ups are included.

    I think the highest ever was 31 million for Diana's funeral, and that was a hugely shocking event in a pre-digital/smart TV age with virtually wall-wall coverage, and whilst it's about 8-9 million less than the Queen's funeral of 28 million it's still pretty decent for a new monarch who's a bit bittersweet, has lots of baggage, and for a deeply religious service, and a long one.

    I think Buckingham Palace will be satisfied with these figures.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,552
    Andy_JS said:

    Lancashire need 4 wickets to win their match against Notts at Trent Bridge.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqQ6RWzugbc

    You get club cricket then, Andy, do you?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,956
    Has anyone produced a highlight reel from the coronation that just contains the Penny Mordant bits?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,908
    edited May 2023
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    More.on this:

    About 14 million saw King being Crowned, live on BBC TV. This is about half of the TV audience for the Queen's funeral last Autumn (29 million across channels and outlets). The Lionesses had an 11 million average, 17 million peak. and England v Italy 2020 had a 31m peak

    https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/1655175061924397057


    You sure?


    “King Charles’s coronation watched by peak TV audience of 20m
    Event was most watched broadcast of year”


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/may/07/king-charles-coronation-watched-by-peak-tv-audience-of-20-million?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    And we’ve yet to get the catch up and internet figures. I suspect the Palace will be just fine with this

    Indeed the Guardian is so cheesed off that it was watched by a lot of people, they are blaming the weather:

    “The viewing figures for the coronation at Westminster Abbey may have been boosted by the poor weather in parts of the UK, which forced people to stay inside”

    So cheesed off that they gave it an approving write up ?
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/may/06/it-was-ludicrous-but-also-magnificent-the-coronation-stirred-every-emotion?CMP=share_btn_tw

    You’re just determined to pick a fight where one doesn’t exist. A bit like @Anabobazina ‘s recent posts.

    The Guardian is deeply schizo on the Coronation

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/may/06/strong-bladders-required-for-interminable-faffing-of-king-charles-coronation?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    But so, it seems, is France:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/may/07/french-leftwing-attacks-nauseating-coronation-but-right-gives-praise?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    Actually there’s quite a statistic in that 2nd article. 9 million French people watched it LIVE
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,626
    Gardenwalker said:

    Bored with the Coronation.

    When is the thread on Lib Dem target seats, Scottish sun-samples, or how the DUP might fare in another Northern Irish poll?

    Plenty of sun here today and yesterday
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,091
    edited May 2023
    Leon said:

    londonpubman said:

    I suspect that the monarchy will still be in place in 1,000 years time 👍

    What was that famous saying by King Ibn Saud? Something like “in 1000 years there will be just five kings left. The Kings of Spades, Hearts, Diamonds, Clubs and England”
    You have to consider procedure as much as opinion. Suppose both Lab and Con believe that about 1 million votes (a tiny % of the population but electorally critical) would swing away from a party putting a referendum on the monarchy in a manifesto, while an unknown but small number would switch the other way; that would stop such a pledge ever being made.

    Which is why under current circumstances it won't be. So it won't be abolished until unforeseeable times in the future.

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