The worst thing about William’s baldness is that royal decorum forbids him to just shave the whole thing off, and it’s too late now for a hair transplant too.
You can use phototherapy to bring back hair to an extent. After 10 years of baldness the folicles are usually dead rather than dormant though, so best to be prompt.
Actually there’s quite a statistic in that 2nd article. 9 million French people watched it LIVE
Traitors to the Republic everyone of them. The French equivalent of TSE would be having a fit right now.
In some respects the British monarchy is bigger news abroad than it is at home
“As the French president, Emmanuel Macron, who is close to Charles, attended the service at Westminster Abbey, congratulating the monarchy who he said were “friends to France”, the French media’s massive focus on the event – with souvenir front pages and lengthy TV specials across different channels – caused high emotions across the polarised political landscape.”
It was front page news on the NYT with dozens of articles for two or three days
Chris Curtis of YouGov has stated that the LEs line up almost perfectly with a 15 point lead in the Westminster VI.
If the Lib Dems are on for 20-30 seats which seems likely, it seems almost impossible at this point for Labour to not be forming a government with numbers way over a majority.
This is going to be the top political issue in the US, very soon.
Free article. Really outstanding analysis of the the debt limit by Harvard law professor @tribelaw. Makes the essential point that if the debt limit is binding then other laws will be broken. Violating the limit is the least unconstitutional option. https://twitter.com/BruceBartlett/status/1655208978169700353
Unless, of course, congressional Republicans accept the responsibility of the US government to honour the debts that they voted to incur.
Actually there’s quite a statistic in that 2nd article. 9 million French people watched it LIVE
Traitors to the Republic everyone of them. The French equivalent of TSE would be having a fit right now.
In some respects the British monarchy is bigger news abroad than it is at home
“As the French president, Emmanuel Macron, who is close to Charles, attended the service at Westminster Abbey, congratulating the monarchy who he said were “friends to France”, the French media’s massive focus on the event – with souvenir front pages and lengthy TV specials across different channels – caused high emotions across the polarised political landscape.”
It was front page news on the NYT with dozens of articles for two or three days
I think partly driven by the late Queen’s francophilia, the French state’s relationship with our monarchy seems closer and more stable than with our elected politicians.
It’s another echo of deep time though isn’t it. William the Conqueror and his barons, the interchangeability of our French speaking royals with their family across the channel, our kings for many years formally in homage to the king of France, then the likes of Simon de Montfort, Richard Cœur de Lion who could barely speak English, the Hundred Years’ War, the camp du drap d’or, Elisabeth I and Calais. We were once almost one monarchy and our wars were practically civil wars.
Chris Curtis of YouGov has stated that the LEs line up almost perfectly with a 15 point lead in the Westminster VI.
If the Lib Dems are on for 20-30 seats which seems likely, it seems almost impossible at this point for Labour to not be forming a government with numbers way over a majority.
The prospect of a Lib-Lab deal if no majority will also exacerbate Tory difficulties in England as they won’t be able to make any Starmer in the pocket of SNP jibes stick. That and the recent leadership changes. Nobody believes Starmer is going to be in the pocket of Humza Yousaf.
With the police arresting people for exercising free speech against the monarchy, that tells us the poor place the monarchy finds itself in, a self confident monarchy wouldn’t need the state to bully their citizens like this.
The Conservative Party generally, and the Home Secretary in particular, along with the attraction that police work has to people who derive enjoyment from abusing power and abusing other people, are responsible for the wave of forcible detentions. Not the King, regardless of whether you think he merits his status or not.
Exactly. It’s utterly absurd to hold the royals responsible for yesterday’s arrests as if the Metropolitan Police are their own private militia. The Met are quite capable of fucking things up all by themselves (I’m sure we’ll get another treatise on the matter from Cyclefree in due course) without any input from Buck House. That said, if there was any external pressure put on the Met, it would have come from either Mayor Khan’t or the deranged authoritarian in the Home Office. Anyone not desperately grasping for reasons to find fault with the royals could see that.
You're confusing criticism of the royals personally with criticism of the way in which royalty is perceived as the figurehead holding together the UK state in all sorts of ways, some far less legitimate than others. No wonder the establishment is hypersensitive.
Chris Curtis of YouGov has stated that the LEs line up almost perfectly with a 15 point lead in the Westminster VI.
If the Lib Dems are on for 20-30 seats which seems likely, it seems almost impossible at this point for Labour to not be forming a government with numbers way over a majority.
Chris is a Labour candidate for Milton Keynes at the next election I believe.
Actually there’s quite a statistic in that 2nd article. 9 million French people watched it LIVE
Traitors to the Republic everyone of them. The French equivalent of TSE would be having a fit right now.
In some respects the British monarchy is bigger news abroad than it is at home
“As the French president, Emmanuel Macron, who is close to Charles, attended the service at Westminster Abbey, congratulating the monarchy who he said were “friends to France”, the French media’s massive focus on the event – with souvenir front pages and lengthy TV specials across different channels – caused high emotions across the polarised political landscape.”
It was front page news on the NYT with dozens of articles for two or three days
I think partly driven by the late Queen’s francophilia, the French state’s relationship with our monarchy seems closer and more stable than with our elected politicians.
It’s another echo of deep time though isn’t it. William the Conqueror and his barons, the interchangeability of our French speaking royals with their family across the channel, our kings for many years formally in homage to the king of France, then the likes of Simon de Montfort, Richard Cœur de Lion who could barely speak English, the Hundred Years’ War, the camp du drap d’or, Elisabeth I and Calais. We were once almost one monarchy and our wars were practically civil wars.
Also a dash of French envy for the pomp and circumstance of British royalty
France is a republic on the surface but royalism lurks beneath, for many
Apparently it was wall to wall TV in Italy as well
Reflecting on what we saw yesterday, I think I've arrived at a few conclusions.
The whole CoE thing is nuts. The military cheer was awe inspiring. (In a UK context that's great, but quite fearful otherwise) The Prince and Princess of Wales look better still.
On a lesser scale;
Huw Edwards is bloody useless, but (astonishingly) Claire Balding did rather well.
We have had plenty of whining about the Monarchy and the Coronation. Wtf do we need another thread just for more whining by anti Monarchy loons
You pro monarchy loons seem to be holding your own perfectly well. Specially when MILFY Mordaunt pops into view.
It is curious how "I'm a PBTory/Unionist/Royalist and I'd like to jump/not jump X" is erected so often on PB as a rationale for critical discussion of female members of the Tory Party and/or Royal Family. I find it quite embarrassing at times.
Chris Curtis of YouGov has stated that the LEs line up almost perfectly with a 15 point lead in the Westminster VI.
If the Lib Dems are on for 20-30 seats which seems likely, it seems almost impossible at this point for Labour to not be forming a government with numbers way over a majority.
Chris is a Labour candidate for Milton Keynes at the next election I believe.
YouGov was started by and is still run by at least one Tory, what is your point? He was just stating YouGov's opinion.
Actually there’s quite a statistic in that 2nd article. 9 million French people watched it LIVE
Traitors to the Republic everyone of them. The French equivalent of TSE would be having a fit right now.
In some respects the British monarchy is bigger news abroad than it is at home
“As the French president, Emmanuel Macron, who is close to Charles, attended the service at Westminster Abbey, congratulating the monarchy who he said were “friends to France”, the French media’s massive focus on the event – with souvenir front pages and lengthy TV specials across different channels – caused high emotions across the polarised political landscape.”
It was front page news on the NYT with dozens of articles for two or three days
I think partly driven by the late Queen’s francophilia, the French state’s relationship with our monarchy seems closer and more stable than with our elected politicians.
It’s another echo of deep time though isn’t it. William the Conqueror and his barons, the interchangeability of our French speaking royals with their family across the channel, our kings for many years formally in homage to the king of France, then the likes of Simon de Montfort, Richard Cœur de Lion who could barely speak English, the Hundred Years’ War, the camp du drap d’or, Elisabeth I and Calais. We were once almost one monarchy and our wars were practically civil wars.
Also a dash of French envy for the pomp and circumstance of British royalty
France is a republic on the surface but royalism lurks beneath, for many
Apparently it was wall to wall TV in Italy as well
I just saw it on tv, but I think the best celebration of a national anniversary was the French bicentennial.
Chris Curtis of YouGov has stated that the LEs line up almost perfectly with a 15 point lead in the Westminster VI.
If the Lib Dems are on for 20-30 seats which seems likely, it seems almost impossible at this point for Labour to not be forming a government with numbers way over a majority.
Chris is a Labour candidate for Milton Keynes at the next election I believe.
Difficult to refute his analysis, though.
Labour is stepping towards a modest victory, on the back of an anti-Tory landslide.
I thought it was interesting from a psephological point of view. Don't think I've seen such a big discrepancy before.
It's because LD and Lab did a deal and didn't stand against each other.
It's good politics but stinks from a democratic point of view. Lab will be making decisions about my ward but didn't even stand here. It feels like the SNP voting on matters relating to England.
Coronation of Charles III: nearly 9 million viewers watched the ceremony in France. 2 million more than for the funeral of Queen Elizabeth II euro.dayfr.com/local/amp/1702… #Coronation #KingCharlesIII #QueenCamilla
Chris Curtis of YouGov has stated that the LEs line up almost perfectly with a 15 point lead in the Westminster VI.
If the Lib Dems are on for 20-30 seats which seems likely, it seems almost impossible at this point for Labour to not be forming a government with numbers way over a majority.
Chris is a Labour candidate for Milton Keynes at the next election I believe.
Difficult to refute his analysis, though.
Labour is stepping towards a modest victory, on the back of an anti-Tory landslide.
And with the mess the SNP has been creating for itself Labour will take advantage in Scotland too.
We have had plenty of whining about the Monarchy and the Coronation. Wtf do we need another thread just for more whining by anti Monarchy loons
It's not your site. If you don't like it go elsewhere. We used to have this debate many months ago with you complaining about the thread headers simply because you didn't agree with them.
They can post 100% anti monarchy threads if they wish forever. If they do I will leave also because I will be bored. If you don't like it do the same.
Chris Curtis of YouGov has stated that the LEs line up almost perfectly with a 15 point lead in the Westminster VI.
If the Lib Dems are on for 20-30 seats which seems likely, it seems almost impossible at this point for Labour to not be forming a government with numbers way over a majority.
Yes the 1.9 is value imo. These LE results point to a Lab majority.
Actually there’s quite a statistic in that 2nd article. 9 million French people watched it LIVE
Traitors to the Republic everyone of them. The French equivalent of TSE would be having a fit right now.
In some respects the British monarchy is bigger news abroad than it is at home
“As the French president, Emmanuel Macron, who is close to Charles, attended the service at Westminster Abbey, congratulating the monarchy who he said were “friends to France”, the French media’s massive focus on the event – with souvenir front pages and lengthy TV specials across different channels – caused high emotions across the polarised political landscape.”
It was front page news on the NYT with dozens of articles for two or three days
I think partly driven by the late Queen’s francophilia, the French state’s relationship with our monarchy seems closer and more stable than with our elected politicians.
It’s another echo of deep time though isn’t it. William the Conqueror and his barons, the interchangeability of our French speaking royals with their family across the channel, our kings for many years formally in homage to the king of France, then the likes of Simon de Montfort, Richard Cœur de Lion who could barely speak English, the Hundred Years’ War, the camp du drap d’or, Elisabeth I and Calais. We were once almost one monarchy and our wars were practically civil wars.
Also a dash of French envy for the pomp and circumstance of British royalty
France is a republic on the surface but royalism lurks beneath, for many
Apparently it was wall to wall TV in Italy as well
It’s just a Hollywood thing. People around the world watch the Oscars, get excited about film stars way beyond their actual influence because people like to see glitz and glamour. Around the world the chances of there being a national representative at the Oscars is nil but they still tune in and you have the German version of the GMTV reporter on the red carpet asking film stars inane questions that the actor really cannot be arsed engaging with.
People will always be fascinated with wealth, glitz and glamour - it’s why Hello Magazine exists or the Daily Mail side bar of shame. People like to look at “fabulous” lives of others and then half love, half bitch about it. The royal family for most of the world is just another Hollywood they will never be a part of but want to see.
Actually there’s quite a statistic in that 2nd article. 9 million French people watched it LIVE
Traitors to the Republic everyone of them. The French equivalent of TSE would be having a fit right now.
In some respects the British monarchy is bigger news abroad than it is at home
“As the French president, Emmanuel Macron, who is close to Charles, attended the service at Westminster Abbey, congratulating the monarchy who he said were “friends to France”, the French media’s massive focus on the event – with souvenir front pages and lengthy TV specials across different channels – caused high emotions across the polarised political landscape.”
It was front page news on the NYT with dozens of articles for two or three days
I think partly driven by the late Queen’s francophilia, the French state’s relationship with our monarchy seems closer and more stable than with our elected politicians.
It’s another echo of deep time though isn’t it. William the Conqueror and his barons, the interchangeability of our French speaking royals with their family across the channel, our kings for many years formally in homage to the king of France, then the likes of Simon de Montfort, Richard Cœur de Lion who could barely speak English, the Hundred Years’ War, the camp du drap d’or, Elisabeth I and Calais. We were once almost one monarchy and our wars were practically civil wars.
Also a dash of French envy for the pomp and circumstance of British royalty
France is a republic on the surface but royalism lurks beneath, for many
Apparently it was wall to wall TV in Italy as well
I just saw it on tv, but I think the best celebration of a national anniversary was the French bicentennial.
I cannot imagine any domestic French event which would garner 9m British TV viewers (setting aside England playing in France etc)
Football, feudalism and Formula 1 teams, these are now our main exports. We are a strange country
Chris Curtis of YouGov has stated that the LEs line up almost perfectly with a 15 point lead in the Westminster VI.
If the Lib Dems are on for 20-30 seats which seems likely, it seems almost impossible at this point for Labour to not be forming a government with numbers way over a majority.
Chris is a Labour candidate for Milton Keynes at the next election I believe.
Difficult to refute his analysis, though.
Labour is stepping towards a modest victory, on the back of an anti-Tory landslide.
And with the mess the SNP has been creating for itself Labour will take advantage in Scotland too.
Absolutely.
I do think these local elections were a watershed. Overshadowed by the Cozzie Chaz, but a new kind of era begins on Monday (or Tuesday).
With the police arresting people for exercising free speech against the monarchy, that tells us the poor place the monarchy finds itself in, a self confident monarchy wouldn’t need the state to bully their citizens like this.
The Conservative Party generally, and the Home Secretary in particular, along with the attraction that police work has to people who derive enjoyment from abusing power and abusing other people, are responsible for the wave of forcible detentions. Not the King, regardless of whether you think he merits his status or not.
Exactly. It’s utterly absurd to hold the royals responsible for yesterday’s arrests as if the Metropolitan Police are their own private militia. The Met are quite capable of fucking things up all by themselves (I’m sure we’ll get another treatise on the matter from Cyclefree in due course) without any input from Buck House. That said, if there was any external pressure put on the Met, it would have come from either Mayor Khan’t or the deranged authoritarian in the Home Office. Anyone not desperately grasping for reasons to find fault with the royals could see that.
You're confusing criticism of the royals personally with criticism of the way in which royalty is perceived as the figurehead holding together the UK state in all sorts of ways, some far less legitimate than others. No wonder the establishment is hypersensitive.
Er, no, I’m not confusing anything. I’m quite capable of reading and understanding a statement like “With the police arresting people for exercising free speech against the monarchy, that tells us the poor place the monarchy finds itself in, a self confident monarchy wouldn’t need the state to bully their citizens like ths” despite the comma splicing and spelling mistakes.
Actually there’s quite a statistic in that 2nd article. 9 million French people watched it LIVE
Traitors to the Republic everyone of them. The French equivalent of TSE would be having a fit right now.
In some respects the British monarchy is bigger news abroad than it is at home
“As the French president, Emmanuel Macron, who is close to Charles, attended the service at Westminster Abbey, congratulating the monarchy who he said were “friends to France”, the French media’s massive focus on the event – with souvenir front pages and lengthy TV specials across different channels – caused high emotions across the polarised political landscape.”
It was front page news on the NYT with dozens of articles for two or three days
I think partly driven by the late Queen’s francophilia, the French state’s relationship with our monarchy seems closer and more stable than with our elected politicians.
It’s another echo of deep time though isn’t it. William the Conqueror and his barons, the interchangeability of our French speaking royals with their family across the channel, our kings for many years formally in homage to the king of France, then the likes of Simon de Montfort, Richard Cœur de Lion who could barely speak English, the Hundred Years’ War, the camp du drap d’or, Elisabeth I and Calais. We were once almost one monarchy and our wars were practically civil wars.
Also a dash of French envy for the pomp and circumstance of British royalty
France is a republic on the surface but royalism lurks beneath, for many
Apparently it was wall to wall TV in Italy as well
I just saw it on tv, but I think the best celebration of a national anniversary was the French bicentennial.
I cannot imagine any domestic French event which would garner 9m British TV viewers (setting aside England playing in France etc)
Football, feudalism and Formula 1 teams, these are now our main exports. We are a strange country
Well I have no idea what the audience was in 1989. I can without doubt tell you though that if you didn't watch you should have done.
Nationalism has to be a deeper thing in France than anywhere else.
Actually there’s quite a statistic in that 2nd article. 9 million French people watched it LIVE
Traitors to the Republic everyone of them. The French equivalent of TSE would be having a fit right now.
In some respects the British monarchy is bigger news abroad than it is at home
“As the French president, Emmanuel Macron, who is close to Charles, attended the service at Westminster Abbey, congratulating the monarchy who he said were “friends to France”, the French media’s massive focus on the event – with souvenir front pages and lengthy TV specials across different channels – caused high emotions across the polarised political landscape.”
It was front page news on the NYT with dozens of articles for two or three days
I think partly driven by the late Queen’s francophilia, the French state’s relationship with our monarchy seems closer and more stable than with our elected politicians.
It’s another echo of deep time though isn’t it. William the Conqueror and his barons, the interchangeability of our French speaking royals with their family across the channel, our kings for many years formally in homage to the king of France, then the likes of Simon de Montfort, Richard Cœur de Lion who could barely speak English, the Hundred Years’ War, the camp du drap d’or, Elisabeth I and Calais. We were once almost one monarchy and our wars were practically civil wars.
Also a dash of French envy for the pomp and circumstance of British royalty
France is a republic on the surface but royalism lurks beneath, for many
Apparently it was wall to wall TV in Italy as well
It’s just a Hollywood thing. People around the world watch the Oscars, get excited about film stars way beyond their actual influence because people like to see glitz and glamour. Around the world the chances of there being a national representative at the Oscars is nil but they still tune in and you have the German version of the GMTV reporter on the red carpet asking film stars inane questions that the actor really cannot be arsed engaging with.
People will always be fascinated with wealth, glitz and glamour - it’s why Hello Magazine exists or the Daily Mail side bar of shame. People like to look at “fabulous” lives of others and then half love, half bitch about it. The royal family for most of the world is just another Hollywood they will never be a part of but want to see.
No, it’s much more complex than that
It’s not just celeb culture. 9m French people don’t watch the Oscars or the Met Gala
There is something about royalty in particular which fascinates. It is a mixture of soap opera and glamour, high politics and melodrama, and Britain has the last significant monarchy left in the western world (and the only one that has kept all the bling and ritual). And everyone knows the story lines, Diana and Camilla, Harry and Megz
And the royal family is quite dowdy in some ways, Charles is an old man. Camilla is pretty ancient. These are not “stars”
Actually there’s quite a statistic in that 2nd article. 9 million French people watched it LIVE
Traitors to the Republic everyone of them. The French equivalent of TSE would be having a fit right now.
In some respects the British monarchy is bigger news abroad than it is at home
“As the French president, Emmanuel Macron, who is close to Charles, attended the service at Westminster Abbey, congratulating the monarchy who he said were “friends to France”, the French media’s massive focus on the event – with souvenir front pages and lengthy TV specials across different channels – caused high emotions across the polarised political landscape.”
It was front page news on the NYT with dozens of articles for two or three days
I think partly driven by the late Queen’s francophilia, the French state’s relationship with our monarchy seems closer and more stable than with our elected politicians.
It’s another echo of deep time though isn’t it. William the Conqueror and his barons, the interchangeability of our French speaking royals with their family across the channel, our kings for many years formally in homage to the king of France, then the likes of Simon de Montfort, Richard Cœur de Lion who could barely speak English, the Hundred Years’ War, the camp du drap d’or, Elisabeth I and Calais. We were once almost one monarchy and our wars were practically civil wars.
Also a dash of French envy for the pomp and circumstance of British royalty
France is a republic on the surface but royalism lurks beneath, for many
Apparently it was wall to wall TV in Italy as well
I just saw it on tv, but I think the best celebration of a national anniversary was the French bicentennial.
I cannot imagine any domestic French event which would garner 9m British TV viewers (setting aside England playing in France etc)
Football, feudalism and Formula 1 teams, these are now our main exports. We are a strange country
Well I have no idea what the audience was in 1989. I can without doubt tell you though that if you didn't watch you should have done.
Nationalism has to be a deeper thing in France than anywhere else.
I saw a bit of it, but it was a few mins on the news (I remember because a good friend of mine went to Paris for the Bicentennial with his French girlfriend and wanted me to join). I couldn’t make it so I saw a bit on telly to check what I was missing
It did look impressive, but there is no way 9m Brits watched “the French Bicentennial”
Actually there’s quite a statistic in that 2nd article. 9 million French people watched it LIVE
Traitors to the Republic everyone of them. The French equivalent of TSE would be having a fit right now.
In some respects the British monarchy is bigger news abroad than it is at home
“As the French president, Emmanuel Macron, who is close to Charles, attended the service at Westminster Abbey, congratulating the monarchy who he said were “friends to France”, the French media’s massive focus on the event – with souvenir front pages and lengthy TV specials across different channels – caused high emotions across the polarised political landscape.”
It was front page news on the NYT with dozens of articles for two or three days
I think partly driven by the late Queen’s francophilia, the French state’s relationship with our monarchy seems closer and more stable than with our elected politicians.
It’s another echo of deep time though isn’t it. William the Conqueror and his barons, the interchangeability of our French speaking royals with their family across the channel, our kings for many years formally in homage to the king of France, then the likes of Simon de Montfort, Richard Cœur de Lion who could barely speak English, the Hundred Years’ War, the camp du drap d’or, Elisabeth I and Calais. We were once almost one monarchy and our wars were practically civil wars.
Also a dash of French envy for the pomp and circumstance of British royalty
France is a republic on the surface but royalism lurks beneath, for many
Apparently it was wall to wall TV in Italy as well
It’s just a Hollywood thing. People around the world watch the Oscars, get excited about film stars way beyond their actual influence because people like to see glitz and glamour. Around the world the chances of there being a national representative at the Oscars is nil but they still tune in and you have the German version of the GMTV reporter on the red carpet asking film stars inane questions that the actor really cannot be arsed engaging with.
People will always be fascinated with wealth, glitz and glamour - it’s why Hello Magazine exists or the Daily Mail side bar of shame. People like to look at “fabulous” lives of others and then half love, half bitch about it. The royal family for most of the world is just another Hollywood they will never be a part of but want to see.
No, it’s much more complex than that
It’s not just celeb culture. 9m French people don’t watch the Oscars or the Met Gala
There is something about royalty in particular which fascinates. It is a mixture of soap opera and glamour, high politics and melodrama, and Britain has the last significant monarchy left in the western world (and the only one that has kept all the bling and ritual). And everyone knows the story lines, Diana and Camilla, Harry and Megz
And the royal family is quite dowdy in some ways, Charles is an old man. Camilla is pretty ancient. These are not “stars”
I agree although I was being quite general about star power and glitz. The Oscars is on at a time which isn’t ideal for European viewers which will suppress numbers and the Met Gala isn’t really anything to watch - more to remark on the crazy outfits (a bit like the Coronation in a way). There are very few Hollywood actresses who have the star power globally and the draw that the Princess of Wales has - you would probably have to go back to Liz Taylor for that kind of stardom and wow factor.
The Royal Family though is as you say soap opera, super glamorous soap opera and we should be proud that we have such a global draw that also provides such a stable and practical political function.
Coronation of Charles III: nearly 9 million viewers watched the ceremony in France. 2 million more than for the funeral of Queen Elizabeth II euro.dayfr.com/local/amp/1702… #Coronation #KingCharlesIII #QueenCamilla
It also had millions of live viewers in Germany
Someone tell me that this isn’t soft power?
Despite their republic the French are deeply conflicted about the loss of their Monarchy, which was almost equally ancient.
I thought it was interesting from a psephological point of view. Don't think I've seen such a big discrepancy before.
It's because LD and Lab did a deal and didn't stand against each other.
It's good politics but stinks from a democratic point of view. Lab will be making decisions about my ward but didn't even stand here. It feels like the SNP voting on matters relating to England.
my take on yesterday 1) great day for UK plc (No other country gets that limelight !) 2) Everyone pretending they knew all about Zadoc The Priest when last week nobody would have had a clue 3) Penny Mordant will hold her seat with a better performance than the national picture suggests ! 4) The Church of England should make a bit of capital from this once in a generation opportunity. 5) The Princess of Wales is elite at being regal!
Chris Curtis of YouGov has stated that the LEs line up almost perfectly with a 15 point lead in the Westminster VI.
If the Lib Dems are on for 20-30 seats which seems likely, it seems almost impossible at this point for Labour to not be forming a government with numbers way over a majority.
Yes the 1.9 is value imo. These LE results point to a Lab majority.
I don't see much value in current odds.
The spread of seats is potentially vast, and can change on precious few votes, and 18 months is a long time away.
Actually there’s quite a statistic in that 2nd article. 9 million French people watched it LIVE
Traitors to the Republic everyone of them. The French equivalent of TSE would be having a fit right now.
In some respects the British monarchy is bigger news abroad than it is at home
“As the French president, Emmanuel Macron, who is close to Charles, attended the service at Westminster Abbey, congratulating the monarchy who he said were “friends to France”, the French media’s massive focus on the event – with souvenir front pages and lengthy TV specials across different channels – caused high emotions across the polarised political landscape.”
It was front page news on the NYT with dozens of articles for two or three days
I think partly driven by the late Queen’s francophilia, the French state’s relationship with our monarchy seems closer and more stable than with our elected politicians.
It’s another echo of deep time though isn’t it. William the Conqueror and his barons, the interchangeability of our French speaking royals with their family across the channel, our kings for many years formally in homage to the king of France, then the likes of Simon de Montfort, Richard Cœur de Lion who could barely speak English, the Hundred Years’ War, the camp du drap d’or, Elisabeth I and Calais. We were once almost one monarchy and our wars were practically civil wars.
Also a dash of French envy for the pomp and circumstance of British royalty
France is a republic on the surface but royalism lurks beneath, for many
Apparently it was wall to wall TV in Italy as well
I just saw it on tv, but I think the best celebration of a national anniversary was the French bicentennial.
I cannot imagine any domestic French event which would garner 9m British TV viewers (setting aside England playing in France etc)
Football, feudalism and Formula 1 teams, these are now our main exports. We are a strange country
Well I have no idea what the audience was in 1989. I can without doubt tell you though that if you didn't watch you should have done.
Nationalism has to be a deeper thing in France than anywhere else.
I saw a bit of it, but it was a few mins on the news (I remember because a good friend of mine went to Paris for the Bicentennial with his French girlfriend and wanted me to join). I couldn’t make it so I saw a bit on telly to check what I was missing
It did look impressive, but there is no way 9m Brits watched “the French Bicentennial”
I thought it was interesting from a psephological point of view. Don't think I've seen such a big discrepancy before.
It's because LD and Lab did a deal and didn't stand against each other.
It's good politics but stinks from a democratic point of view. Lab will be making decisions about my ward but didn't even stand here. It feels like the SNP voting on matters relating to England.
Such fun seeing TSE's desperate attempts to belittle the Coronation after it was clearly such a massive success.
It must really irk that the majority of the population are still in favour of keeping the monarchy.
Oh and I call bullshit on the poll. Not because of anything it says about the monarchy and its popularity but because any question that has a bank holiday day off as one of the options and still gets a third of the working age population saying they are not interested is clearly utter BS.
I thought it was interesting from a psephological point of view. Don't think I've seen such a big discrepancy before.
It's because LD and Lab did a deal and didn't stand against each other.
It's good politics but stinks from a democratic point of view. Lab will be making decisions about my ward but didn't even stand here. It feels like the SNP voting on matters relating to England.
Coronation of Charles III: nearly 9 million viewers watched the ceremony in France. 2 million more than for the funeral of Queen Elizabeth II euro.dayfr.com/local/amp/1702… #Coronation #KingCharlesIII #QueenCamilla
It also had millions of live viewers in Germany
Someone tell me that this isn’t soft power?
Despite their republic the French are deeply conflicted about the loss of their Monarchy, which was almost equally ancient.
Even more ancient, I’d say - the Merovingians were the first French royals and they predate the first Anglo-Saxon kings by at least 100 years - starting in the 5th century as against our 6/7th
And Charlemagne was THE great king of early medieval Europe
If the French had hung on to their monarchy it would now be really something. 1600 years of history and some amazing palaces. But they junked it
That's a lot of "not voting blue" voters. And the Sunak Surge, such as it was, has been about turning possibles back into probables, which may be a lemon with not much more juice to extract.
Coronation of Charles III: nearly 9 million viewers watched the ceremony in France. 2 million more than for the funeral of Queen Elizabeth II euro.dayfr.com/local/amp/1702… #Coronation #KingCharlesIII #QueenCamilla
It also had millions of live viewers in Germany
Someone tell me that this isn’t soft power?
Despite their republic the French are deeply conflicted about the loss of their Monarchy, which was almost equally ancient.
I thought it was interesting from a psephological point of view. Don't think I've seen such a big discrepancy before.
It's because LD and Lab did a deal and didn't stand against each other.
It's good politics but stinks from a democratic point of view. Lab will be making decisions about my ward but didn't even stand here. It feels like the SNP voting on matters relating to England.
Coronation of Charles III: nearly 9 million viewers watched the ceremony in France. 2 million more than for the funeral of Queen Elizabeth II euro.dayfr.com/local/amp/1702… #Coronation #KingCharlesIII #QueenCamilla
It also had millions of live viewers in Germany
Someone tell me that this isn’t soft power?
You sound very needy.
Eurovision final has millions of live viewers every year in Germany. If the coronation was every year the viewing figures would soon be in the low hundreds.
my take on yesterday 1) great day for UK plc (No other country gets that limelight !) 2) Everyone pretending they knew all about Zadoc The Priest when last week nobody would have had a clue 3) Penny Mordant will hold her seat with a better performance than the national picture suggests ! 4) The Church of England should make a bit of capital from this once in a generation opportunity. 5) The Princess of Wales is elite at being regal!
Coronation of Charles III: nearly 9 million viewers watched the ceremony in France. 2 million more than for the funeral of Queen Elizabeth II euro.dayfr.com/local/amp/1702… #Coronation #KingCharlesIII #QueenCamilla
It also had millions of live viewers in Germany
Someone tell me that this isn’t soft power?
Despite their republic the French are deeply conflicted about the loss of their Monarchy, which was almost equally ancient.
Really? What evidence of that?
Especially since serious fans of the Bourbons are likely outnumbered by fans of the Bonapartes?
Coronation of Charles III: nearly 9 million viewers watched the ceremony in France. 2 million more than for the funeral of Queen Elizabeth II euro.dayfr.com/local/amp/1702… #Coronation #KingCharlesIII #QueenCamilla
It also had millions of live viewers in Germany
Someone tell me that this isn’t soft power?
You sound very needy.
Eurovision final has millions of live viewers every year in Germany. If the coronation was every year the viewing figures would soon be in the low hundreds.
I thought it was interesting from a psephological point of view. Don't think I've seen such a big discrepancy before.
It's because LD and Lab did a deal and didn't stand against each other.
It's good politics but stinks from a democratic point of view. Lab will be making decisions about my ward but didn't even stand here. It feels like the SNP voting on matters relating to England.
Such fun seeing TSE's desperate attempts to belittle the Coronation after it was clearly such a massive success.
It must really irk that the majority of the population are still in favour of keeping the monarchy.
Oh and I call bullshit on the poll. Not because of anything it says about the monarchy and its popularity but because any question that has a bank holiday day off as one of the options and still gets a third of the working age population saying they are not interested is clearly utter BS.
I’m not so sure. @Pagan2 made the good point yesterday in the protest discussion that there are many people on the sorts of contracts that mean they will lose a day of pay that they badly need because of the extra bank holiday. No idea whether that comes anywhere close to a third of the population, but I’m sure it accounts for some of that figure.
I thought it was interesting from a psephological point of view. Don't think I've seen such a big discrepancy before.
It's because LD and Lab did a deal and didn't stand against each other.
It's good politics but stinks from a democratic point of view. Lab will be making decisions about my ward but didn't even stand here. It feels like the SNP voting on matters relating to England.
Coronation of Charles III: nearly 9 million viewers watched the ceremony in France. 2 million more than for the funeral of Queen Elizabeth II euro.dayfr.com/local/amp/1702… #Coronation #KingCharlesIII #QueenCamilla
It also had millions of live viewers in Germany
Someone tell me that this isn’t soft power?
You sound very needy.
Eurovision final has millions of live viewers every year in Germany. If the coronation was every year the viewing figures would soon be in the low hundreds.
What ARE you fucking on about now??
Even pathetically insecure Man-baby Donald Trump didn't care how many people in France watched his inauguration...
Coronation of Charles III: nearly 9 million viewers watched the ceremony in France. 2 million more than for the funeral of Queen Elizabeth II euro.dayfr.com/local/amp/1702… #Coronation #KingCharlesIII #QueenCamilla
It also had millions of live viewers in Germany
Someone tell me that this isn’t soft power?
Despite their republic the French are deeply conflicted about the loss of their Monarchy, which was almost equally ancient.
Really? What evidence of that?
Especially since serious fans of the Bourbons are likely outnumbered by fans of the Bonapartes?
In the words of Macron himself (google translated):
"Democracy always includes a form of incompleteness because it is not sufficient in itself," he judges, considering that the French "did not want the death of the king." “The Terror created an emotional, imaginary, collective void: the king is no longer there! We then tried to reinvest this void, to place other figures there: these are the Napoleonic and Gaullist moments, in particular”.
“The president is expected to occupy the office of king”
An analysis that the former investment banker continues: “The rest of the time, French democracy does not fill the space. We can clearly see this with the permanent questioning of the presidential figure, which has been valid since the departure of General De Gaulle. After him, the normalization of the presidential figure has reinstalled an empty seat in the heart of political life”, he laments finally, nostalgic for the one who was nicknamed the “Republican monarch”.
Coronation of Charles III: nearly 9 million viewers watched the ceremony in France. 2 million more than for the funeral of Queen Elizabeth II euro.dayfr.com/local/amp/1702… #Coronation #KingCharlesIII #QueenCamilla
It also had millions of live viewers in Germany
Someone tell me that this isn’t soft power?
You sound very needy.
Eurovision final has millions of live viewers every year in Germany. If the coronation was every year the viewing figures would soon be in the low hundreds.
Coronation of Charles III: nearly 9 million viewers watched the ceremony in France. 2 million more than for the funeral of Queen Elizabeth II euro.dayfr.com/local/amp/1702… #Coronation #KingCharlesIII #QueenCamilla
It also had millions of live viewers in Germany
Someone tell me that this isn’t soft power?
Despite their republic the French are deeply conflicted about the loss of their Monarchy, which was almost equally ancient.
Really? What evidence of that?
Especially since serious fans of the Bourbons are likely outnumbered by fans of the Bonapartes?
Not ancient but just as if not grander Monarchs of course.
my take on yesterday 1) great day for UK plc (No other country gets that limelight !) 2) Everyone pretending they knew all about Zadoc The Priest when last week nobody would have had a clue 3) Penny Mordant will hold her seat with a better performance than the national picture suggests ! 4) The Church of England should make a bit of capital from this once in a generation opportunity. 5) The Princess of Wales is elite at being regal!
Back home after my trip to Skye. A significant problem of a lack of chargers on the island - I saw quite a lot of EVs driving around. But only 6 "rapid" chargers on Skye, of which 2 were broken and a third was described as "old and temperamental" by the customer service guy at Chargeplace Scotland when I had to call them.
Obvious that new EV owners don't research, but TBH should they have to? Old CPS chargers won't work properly if you try and start them using their app - you need an RFID card. But I have one of those, and the charger in Broadford still didn't like it.
Highland Council now charging 70p/kWh - in my case that's 17p per mile, if you have a lardarse Audi or BMW EV probably more like 23p per mile. And the "rapid" charger vends at only 50kW max, which is s l o w if you have a big battery.
So forget the big EV switchover. The experience new EV people are going to have on their summer holidays will scar them for life...
Back home after my trip to Skye. A significant problem of a lack of chargers on the island - I saw quite a lot of EVs driving around. But only 6 "rapid" chargers on Skye, of which 2 were broken and a third was described as "old and temperamental" by the customer service guy at Chargeplace Scotland when I had to call them.
Obvious that new EV owners don't research, but TBH should they have to? Old CPS chargers won't work properly if you try and start them using their app - you need an RFID card. But I have one of those, and the charger in Broadford still didn't like it.
Highland Council now charging 70p/kWh - in my case that's 17p per mile, if you have a lardarse Audi or BMW EV probably more like 23p per mile. And the "rapid" charger vends at only 50kW max, which is s l o w if you have a big battery.
So forget the big EV switchover. The experience new EV people are going to have on their summer holidays will scar them for life...
I don't know anything about cars but...
There will not be a big shift to EVs until their price falls significantly and the charging infrastructure is sorted.
Looks like petrol and diesel cars will be around in significant numbers for a while even if we stick with the 2030 'no new sales' plan.
Coronation of Charles III: nearly 9 million viewers watched the ceremony in France. 2 million more than for the funeral of Queen Elizabeth II euro.dayfr.com/local/amp/1702… #Coronation #KingCharlesIII #QueenCamilla
It also had millions of live viewers in Germany
Someone tell me that this isn’t soft power?
Despite their republic the French are deeply conflicted about the loss of their Monarchy, which was almost equally ancient.
Even more ancient, I’d say - the Merovingians were the first French royals and they predate the first Anglo-Saxon kings by at least 100 years - starting in the 5th century as against our 6/7th
And Charlemagne was THE great king of early medieval Europe
If the French had hung on to their monarchy it would now be really something. 1600 years of history and some amazing palaces. But they junked it
It’s a bit of a stretch to call the Merovingians “French Royals” as France as it exists geographically today doesn’t reflect its borders then or at substantial periods between - huge areas weren’t “France” sometimes until relatively recently - Savoie for example. So it would be fair to say a unitary English Royal family would be older and more reflective of now but then you could say that the current British Royal Family can only be counted from the act of the Union.
We have inherited traditions from the first Anglo Saxon kings of England subsumed into the current gig but if the French Royal Family still was there KTT would also be an evolution of different states, borders and traditions.
This “my king is bigger than your republic” stuff is deeply needy.
Yes, the British monarchy is a global phenom. Can we all get over it now.
It has clearly escaped your attention that the thread is about the alleged unpopularity of the monarchy, I am responding to that. That is the thread. The subject we are discussing. Up there. See
Coronation of Charles III: nearly 9 million viewers watched the ceremony in France. 2 million more than for the funeral of Queen Elizabeth II euro.dayfr.com/local/amp/1702… #Coronation #KingCharlesIII #QueenCamilla
It also had millions of live viewers in Germany
Someone tell me that this isn’t soft power?
You sound very needy.
Eurovision final has millions of live viewers every year in Germany. If the coronation was every year the viewing figures would soon be in the low hundreds.
But it isn't so your point is irrelevant.
No it isnt. People having the telly on proves that there is a bit of interest, nothing more. People watch all kinds of crap.
It's not that difficult to understand, really. Unless people's pride has been weirdly hurt by the suggestion that the Great British Coronation is of less importance to the average German than the Eurovision song contest, which it definitely is. But why should you or Leon care?
Back home after my trip to Skye. A significant problem of a lack of chargers on the island - I saw quite a lot of EVs driving around. But only 6 "rapid" chargers on Skye, of which 2 were broken and a third was described as "old and temperamental" by the customer service guy at Chargeplace Scotland when I had to call them.
Obvious that new EV owners don't research, but TBH should they have to? Old CPS chargers won't work properly if you try and start them using their app - you need an RFID card. But I have one of those, and the charger in Broadford still didn't like it.
Highland Council now charging 70p/kWh - in my case that's 17p per mile, if you have a lardarse Audi or BMW EV probably more like 23p per mile. And the "rapid" charger vends at only 50kW max, which is s l o w if you have a big battery.
So forget the big EV switchover. The experience new EV people are going to have on their summer holidays will scar them for life...
Interesting. Just about to pick up a new petrol VW Passat. Would love to go electric but we want to be able to drive across Europe too, so we stuck with an ICE this time.
Coronation of Charles III: nearly 9 million viewers watched the ceremony in France. 2 million more than for the funeral of Queen Elizabeth II euro.dayfr.com/local/amp/1702… #Coronation #KingCharlesIII #QueenCamilla
It also had millions of live viewers in Germany
Someone tell me that this isn’t soft power?
You sound very needy.
Eurovision final has millions of live viewers every year in Germany. If the coronation was every year the viewing figures would soon be in the low hundreds.
What ARE you fucking on about now??
Even pathetically insecure Man-baby Donald Trump didn't care how many people in France watched his inauguration...
In France or not is irrelevant to the question of whether people should care about the figuers at all. These things are used in both directions. Recall people pointing to the death queue not involving that big a proportion of the country, ostensibly showing it was not a big deal?
The very premise of the header is that people didn't look forward to the coronation and that the viewing figures (in this country at least) being lower is a big deal, comparing it negatively to interest in the world's most popular spectator sport - indeed, its given greater prominence than people getting arrested.
So is it pathetically insecure to care about the viewing figures if the narrative is it is a small amount, or only pathetically insecure to care about the viewing figures if the narrative is it is a large amount?
Are some monarchists easily triggered? Sure, and far too sensitive, though 'Why don't you see if the monarch could get elected if he's so popular' rejoinder that is trumpeted often (and no doubt will no I've mentioned it) I really don't see why it is supposed to be the amazing trolling point people think it is, they seem really proud of it. But are some of these republican points just really lazily made? When it comes down to arguing the viewing figures are 'low' when it is 1/4 of the country and that people didn't look forward to the event enough (how much should they have done?) it's definitely lazy.
Because it is presented as a major shift and critical problem for the monarchy, ie a big deal. So why is monarchists treating is a big deal weird when that's the opposition point that it is?
Coronation of Charles III: nearly 9 million viewers watched the ceremony in France. 2 million more than for the funeral of Queen Elizabeth II euro.dayfr.com/local/amp/1702… #Coronation #KingCharlesIII #QueenCamilla
It also had millions of live viewers in Germany
Someone tell me that this isn’t soft power?
You sound very needy.
Eurovision final has millions of live viewers every year in Germany. If the coronation was every year the viewing figures would soon be in the low hundreds.
What ARE you fucking on about now??
Even pathetically insecure Man-baby Donald Trump didn't care how many people in France watched his inauguration...
It has clearly escaped your attention you quasi-kraut dullard that the thread is about the alleged unpopularity of the monarchy, I am responding to that. That is the thread. The subject we are discussing. Up there. See
This “my king is bigger than your republic” stuff is deeply needy.
Yes, the British monarchy is a global phenom. Can we all get over it now.
It has clearly escaped your attention that the thread is about the alleged unpopularity of the monarchy, I am responding to that. That is the thread. The subject we are discussing. Up there. See
Then for the love of Zadok, will someone change the fucking thread.
Coronation of Charles III: nearly 9 million viewers watched the ceremony in France. 2 million more than for the funeral of Queen Elizabeth II euro.dayfr.com/local/amp/1702… #Coronation #KingCharlesIII #QueenCamilla
It also had millions of live viewers in Germany
Someone tell me that this isn’t soft power?
You sound very needy.
Eurovision final has millions of live viewers every year in Germany. If the coronation was every year the viewing figures would soon be in the low hundreds.
But it isn't so your point is irrelevant.
People having the telly on proves that there is a bit of interest, nothing more. People watch all kinds of crap.
I totally agree with this point. Which is why the very predictable call that it was a big deal that fewer people did or were more interested in a working day off, is so lame. A good rebuttal of the header in fact - since if double had watched would that have meant the monarchy had no potential trouble at all? Not likely, some watched it because it might be the last.
But based on the premise of the header if the viewing figures had been slightly better than it would argue the monarchy is safe. So I am interested in what level would have been regarded as a 'safe' viewing figure.
I thought it was interesting from a psephological point of view. Don't think I've seen such a big discrepancy before.
It's because LD and Lab did a deal and didn't stand against each other.
It's good politics but stinks from a democratic point of view. Lab will be making decisions about my ward but didn't even stand here. It feels like the SNP voting on matters relating to England.
As the Guardian put it "To believe that this arrangement is the result of some bizarre coincidence stretches credulity".
Yet, if you look at the 2019 results it was
Con 49% Lab 27% LDP 20% Grn 2%
Seats Con 38 Lab 3 LDP 1
How is that democratic? No wonder tactical voting happened, whether official or unofficial. It's the elephant in the room, FPTP.
It's not and neither, as someone has pointed out and I've said for ages, is it democratic that the 39% who didn't vote in Newham end up with just two representatives on a 66-seat Council. No one is suggesting Labour don't have a majority with 61% of the votes but if they had 40 rather than 64 councillors they'd still have that majority but there would be opposition, more voices, different voices and, I'd argue, local democracy would be stronger.
The case for proportional voting in local elections is overwhelming
This “my king is bigger than your republic” stuff is deeply needy.
Yes, the British monarchy is a global phenom. Can we all get over it now.
The weird, self-reinforcing counting of tv viewers for British shenanigans (royal rituals, Olympics, Bond releases) is a PB perennial. I'm old enough to remember the usual suspects going tonto over the world falling in love with the multi-racial fairy tale of Harry and Meghan; that worked out well.
This “my king is bigger than your republic” stuff is deeply needy.
Yes, the British monarchy is a global phenom. Can we all get over it now.
It has clearly escaped your attention that the thread is about the alleged unpopularity of the monarchy, I am responding to that. That is the thread. The subject we are discussing. Up there. See
To be fair to Gardenwalker, the popularity or otherwise of the British monarchy in France is not going to determine whether the coronation of King Charles III will be the UK’s last.
This “my king is bigger than your republic” stuff is deeply needy.
Yes, the British monarchy is a global phenom. Can we all get over it now.
It has clearly escaped your attention that the thread is about the alleged unpopularity of the monarchy, I am responding to that. That is the thread. The subject we are discussing. Up there. See
Then for the love of Zadok, will someone change the fucking thread.
By all means, it bores me too, but if someone is going to make a ridiculous claim about the UK Monarchy in the actual thread header they can expect to be answered in the comments
The evidence suggests the world finds the British monarchy evermore intriguing, rather than the opposite. Perhaps BECAUSE it is so increasingly anachronistic
And now let us move on to something else. I heartily agree
Coronation of Charles III: nearly 9 million viewers watched the ceremony in France. 2 million more than for the funeral of Queen Elizabeth II euro.dayfr.com/local/amp/1702… #Coronation #KingCharlesIII #QueenCamilla
It also had millions of live viewers in Germany
Someone tell me that this isn’t soft power?
Despite their republic the French are deeply conflicted about the loss of their Monarchy, which was almost equally ancient.
Deeply conflicted, how so?
The French reversed their revolution at least twice - and they've never really been 100% happy with their constitution ever since.
They have maintained much of the trappings of monarchy into the Presidency, there is still a strong royalist minority opinion in the country, and they are quite fascinated by others monarchies, including our own.
my take on yesterday 1) great day for UK plc (No other country gets that limelight !) 2) Everyone pretending they knew all about Zadoc The Priest when last week nobody would have had a clue 3) Penny Mordant will hold her seat with a better performance than the national picture suggests ! 4) The Church of England should make a bit of capital from this once in a generation opportunity. 5) The Princess of Wales is elite at being regal!
Back home after my trip to Skye. A significant problem of a lack of chargers on the island - I saw quite a lot of EVs driving around. But only 6 "rapid" chargers on Skye, of which 2 were broken and a third was described as "old and temperamental" by the customer service guy at Chargeplace Scotland when I had to call them.
Obvious that new EV owners don't research, but TBH should they have to? Old CPS chargers won't work properly if you try and start them using their app - you need an RFID card. But I have one of those, and the charger in Broadford still didn't like it.
Highland Council now charging 70p/kWh - in my case that's 17p per mile, if you have a lardarse Audi or BMW EV probably more like 23p per mile. And the "rapid" charger vends at only 50kW max, which is s l o w if you have a big battery.
So forget the big EV switchover. The experience new EV people are going to have on their summer holidays will scar them for life...
It is utterly dumb. Whatever ones views on the sense of the timing of the transition (and I think it is being pushed unrealistically fast which will only do more harm in the long run) the provision of charging stations should not be the factor that holds things up. It wouldn't take that much investment in the grand scheme of things. As of 1st January UK has 42,000 charging points. France has 82,000 and they are aiming to put in another 50,000 each year between now and 2030.
Coronation of Charles III: nearly 9 million viewers watched the ceremony in France. 2 million more than for the funeral of Queen Elizabeth II euro.dayfr.com/local/amp/1702… #Coronation #KingCharlesIII #QueenCamilla
It also had millions of live viewers in Germany
Someone tell me that this isn’t soft power?
You sound very needy.
Eurovision final has millions of live viewers every year in Germany. If the coronation was every year the viewing figures would soon be in the low hundreds.
But it isn't so your point is irrelevant.
No it isnt. People having the telly on proves that there is a bit of interest, nothing more. People watch all kinds of crap.
It's not that difficult to understand, really. Unless people's pride has been weirdly hurt by the suggestion that the Great British Coronation is of less importance to the average German than the Eurovision song contest, which it definitely is. But why should you or Leon care?
It is irrelevant. For most a Coronation might happen only once in a lifetime. Its a national event of massive significance to the Nation as a whole. Eurovision is just about as ghastly as you could get... and worse still its every year and the week b4 is full of z listers talking about it.
my take on yesterday 1) great day for UK plc (No other country gets that limelight !) 2) Everyone pretending they knew all about Zadoc The Priest when last week nobody would have had a clue 3) Penny Mordant will hold her seat with a better performance than the national picture suggests ! 4) The Church of England should make a bit of capital from this once in a generation opportunity. 5) The Princess of Wales is elite at being regal!
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Vote share:
Con 45%
Lab 32%
LD 16%
Green 6%
Seats:
Lab 22
Con 10
LD 7
Green 2
https://democratic.bracknell-forest.gov.uk/mgElectionResults.aspx?ID=109&RPID=61655469
The French equivalent of TSE would be having a fit right now.
There exists no violin small enough.
“As the French president, Emmanuel Macron, who is close to Charles, attended the service at Westminster Abbey, congratulating the monarchy who he said were “friends to France”, the French media’s massive focus on the event – with souvenir front pages and lengthy TV specials across different channels – caused high emotions across the polarised political landscape.”
It was front page news on the NYT with dozens of articles for two or three days
If the Lib Dems are on for 20-30 seats which seems likely, it seems almost impossible at this point for Labour to not be forming a government with numbers way over a majority.
Free article. Really outstanding analysis of the the debt limit by Harvard law professor @tribelaw. Makes the essential point that if the debt limit is binding then other laws will be broken. Violating the limit is the least unconstitutional option.
https://twitter.com/BruceBartlett/status/1655208978169700353
Unless, of course, congressional Republicans accept the responsibility of the US government to honour the debts that they voted to incur.
It’s another echo of deep time though isn’t it. William the Conqueror and his barons, the interchangeability of our French speaking royals with their family across the channel, our kings for many years formally in homage to the king of France, then the likes of Simon de Montfort, Richard Cœur de Lion who could barely speak English, the Hundred Years’ War, the camp du drap d’or, Elisabeth I and Calais. We were once almost one monarchy and our wars were practically civil wars.
That's doubly annoying as it means Gloucestershire - who have lost three certain victories to the weather* - will now be foot of the table.
*TBF, also one certain defeat.
Edit - well, that was quick!
Specially when MILFY Mordaunt hoves into view.
France is a republic on the surface but royalism lurks beneath, for many
Apparently it was wall to wall TV in Italy as well
The whole CoE thing is nuts.
The military cheer was awe inspiring. (In a UK context that's great, but quite fearful otherwise)
The Prince and Princess of Wales look better still.
On a lesser scale;
Huw Edwards is bloody useless, but (astonishingly) Claire Balding did rather well.
Labour is stepping towards a modest victory, on the back of an anti-Tory landslide.
It's good politics but stinks from a democratic point of view. Lab will be making decisions about my ward but didn't even stand here. It feels like the SNP voting on matters relating to England.
Coronation of Charles III: nearly 9 million viewers watched the ceremony in France. 2 million more than for the funeral of Queen Elizabeth II
euro.dayfr.com/local/amp/1702…
#Coronation #KingCharlesIII #QueenCamilla
It also had millions of live viewers in Germany
Someone tell me that this isn’t soft power?
They can post 100% anti monarchy threads if they wish forever. If they do I will leave also because I will be bored. If you don't like it do the same.
People will always be fascinated with wealth, glitz and glamour - it’s why Hello Magazine exists or the Daily Mail side bar of shame. People like to look at “fabulous” lives of others and then half love, half bitch about it. The royal family for most of the world is just another Hollywood they will never be a part of but want to see.
Football, feudalism and Formula 1 teams, these are now our main exports. We are a strange country
I do think these local elections were a watershed.
Overshadowed by the Cozzie Chaz, but a new kind of era begins on Monday (or Tuesday).
Nationalism has to be a deeper thing in France than anywhere else.
It’s not just celeb culture. 9m French people don’t watch the Oscars or the Met Gala
There is something about royalty in particular which fascinates. It is a mixture of soap opera and glamour, high politics and melodrama, and Britain has the last significant monarchy left in the western world (and the only one that has kept all the bling and ritual). And everyone knows the story lines, Diana and Camilla, Harry and Megz
And the royal family is quite dowdy in some ways, Charles is an old man. Camilla is pretty ancient. These are not “stars”
It did look impressive, but there is no way 9m Brits watched “the French Bicentennial”
The Royal Family though is as you say soap opera, super glamorous soap opera and we should be proud that we have such a global draw that also provides such a stable and practical political function.
1) great day for UK plc (No other country gets that limelight !)
2) Everyone pretending they knew all about Zadoc The Priest when last week nobody would have had a clue
3) Penny Mordant will hold her seat with a better performance than the national picture suggests !
4) The Church of England should make a bit of capital from this once in a generation opportunity.
5) The Princess of Wales is elite at being regal!
The spread of seats is potentially vast, and can change on precious few votes, and 18 months is a long time away.
Just like the Brexit Party standing aside for the Tories then?
Jimmy Anderson is bowling to Stuart Broad at Trent Bridge. Lancs need 2 wickets.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqQ6RWzugbc
As the Guardian put it "To believe that this arrangement is the result of some bizarre coincidence stretches credulity".
I’d imagine pretty much everyone has seen excerpts though, either on social media or the ubiquitous rolling news channels.
It must really irk that the majority of the population are still in favour of keeping the monarchy.
Oh and I call bullshit on the poll. Not because of anything it says about the monarchy and its popularity but because any question that has a bank holiday day off as one of the options and still gets a third of the working age population saying they are not interested is clearly utter BS.
And Charlemagne was THE great king of early medieval Europe
If the French had hung on to their monarchy it would now be really something. 1600 years of history and some amazing palaces. But they junked it
45% wins against a chaotic split opposition, but loses against against an organised split opposition.
Bracknell was an extreme case, and I'm sure no GE would have that many mutual standdowns, but the maths is sound.
Looking at the Conservative's problems another way, this graph shows how parties score with YouGov at 5 or more on likelihood to vote;
https://twitter.com/HzBrandenburg/status/1655168206623977473
That's a lot of "not voting blue" voters. And the Sunak Surge, such as it was, has been about turning possibles back into probables, which may be a lemon with not much more juice to extract.
More likely to have seen (parts of) ceremony after the fact. For example, PBS and (I think) Telemundo broadcast tape of proceedings later on Saturday.
Con 49%
Lab 27%
LDP 20%
Grn 2%
Seats
Con 38
Lab 3
LDP 1
How is that democratic? No wonder tactical voting happened, whether official or unofficial. It's the elephant in the room, FPTP.
Eurovision final has millions of live viewers every year in Germany. If the coronation was every year the viewing figures would soon be in the low hundreds.
The ones who got it a bit wrong (for me) were those like Jeremy Hunt who just showed up as if straight from the office.
Especially since serious fans of the Bourbons are likely outnumbered by fans of the Bonapartes?
Yes, the British monarchy is a global phenom.
Can we all get over it now.
Take Newham, 2006
Lab 41%
Respect 23%
Con 14%
CPA 10%
Etc
Seats
Lab 90%
Respect 5%
Con 0%
CPA 5%
That was a good year for non-Lab. After that it was 100% Lab, though at least they had the decency to get 60+% of the overall vote.
https://www.lefigaro.fr/politique/le-scan/citations/2015/07/08/25002-20150708ARTFIG00062-le-roi-n-est-plus-la-se-desole-emmanuel-macron.php
"Democracy always includes a form of incompleteness because it is not sufficient in itself," he judges, considering that the French "did not want the death of the king." “The Terror created an emotional, imaginary, collective void: the king is no longer there! We then tried to reinvest this void, to place other figures there: these are the Napoleonic and Gaullist moments, in particular”.
“The president is expected to occupy the office of king”
An analysis that the former investment banker continues: “The rest of the time, French democracy does not fill the space. We can clearly see this with the permanent questioning of the presidential figure, which has been valid since the departure of General De Gaulle. After him, the normalization of the presidential figure has reinstalled an empty seat in the heart of political life”, he laments finally, nostalgic for the one who was nicknamed the “Republican monarch”.
https://twitter.com/RoryStewartUK/status/1654833606563360769
Obvious that new EV owners don't research, but TBH should they have to? Old CPS chargers won't work properly if you try and start them using their app - you need an RFID card. But I have one of those, and the charger in Broadford still didn't like it.
Highland Council now charging 70p/kWh - in my case that's 17p per mile, if you have a lardarse Audi or BMW EV probably more like 23p per mile. And the "rapid" charger vends at only 50kW max, which is s l o w if you have a big battery.
So forget the big EV switchover. The experience new EV people are going to have on their summer holidays will scar them for life...
There will not be a big shift to EVs until their price falls significantly and the charging infrastructure is sorted.
Looks like petrol and diesel cars will be around in significant numbers for a while even if we stick with the 2030 'no new sales' plan.
We have inherited traditions from the first Anglo Saxon kings of England subsumed into the current gig but if the French Royal Family still was there KTT would also be an evolution of different states, borders and traditions.
It's not that difficult to understand, really. Unless people's pride has been weirdly hurt by the suggestion that the Great British Coronation is of less importance to the average German than the Eurovision song contest, which it definitely is. But why should you or Leon care?
The very premise of the header is that people didn't look forward to the coronation and that the viewing figures (in this country at least) being lower is a big deal, comparing it negatively to interest in the world's most popular spectator sport - indeed, its given greater prominence than people getting arrested.
So is it pathetically insecure to care about the viewing figures if the narrative is it is a small amount, or only pathetically insecure to care about the viewing figures if the narrative is it is a large amount?
Are some monarchists easily triggered? Sure, and far too sensitive, though 'Why don't you see if the monarch could get elected if he's so popular' rejoinder that is trumpeted often (and no doubt will no I've mentioned it) I really don't see why it is supposed to be the amazing trolling point people think it is, they seem really proud of it. But are some of these republican points just really lazily made? When it comes down to arguing the viewing figures are 'low' when it is 1/4 of the country and that people didn't look forward to the event enough (how much should they have done?) it's definitely lazy.
Because it is presented as a major shift and critical problem for the monarchy, ie a big deal. So why is monarchists treating is a big deal weird when that's the opposition point that it is?
But based on the premise of the header if the viewing figures had been slightly better than it would argue the monarchy is safe. So I am interested in what level would have been regarded as a 'safe' viewing figure.
The case for proportional voting in local elections is overwhelming
The evidence suggests the world finds the British monarchy evermore intriguing, rather than the opposite. Perhaps BECAUSE it is so increasingly anachronistic
And now let us move on to something else. I heartily agree
They have maintained much of the trappings of monarchy into the Presidency, there is still a strong royalist minority opinion in the country, and they are quite fascinated by others monarchies, including our own.
Eurovision is just about as ghastly as you could get... and worse still its every year and the week b4 is full of z listers talking about it.