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  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,786

    Intrigued by the 23% who think the Braverman plan will make the boat situation worse. I'm not sure they're wrong, but I'm intrigued at the logic.
    According to the government's own data, 209 migrants were detected crossing the Channel yesterday (17/3/23). No idea how many were undetected.

    So it doesn't look as if the legislation introduced earlier this month is having much of a deterrent impact yet, especially given the intention to apply the legislation retrospectively from 7/3 once it has gone through Parliament.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,219
    Carnyx said:

    Not aware that Mr Washington was a slaver, as opposed to Mr Jefferson?
    https://www.mountvernon.org/george-washington/slavery/
  • ydoethur said:

    Who are the 6%?!

    Edit - reminds me of the time the TES ran a voodoo poll on how much confidence teachers had in the DfE. In over 3000 responses, not a single one had complete confidence in the DfE. Only a handful (about 30) had even some confidence in it.
    Pro Trans rights people make up that 6%.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,219
    Carnyx said:

    Oh yes, and dogs' names in histories of RAF heroism of the most self-sacrificial kind (somehow the most important bit of all, though I can't see why).
    You could argue that 617 kept the concept of precision attack alive. Which in turn led to the Pathfinders, and to the Oboe Mosquito system.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,786
    Sean_F said:

    Well, he wants to give his father a knighthood for his championing of women’s’ rights.
    Call me old-fashioned, but I don't think violence against women is funny.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,796
    edited March 2023
    Foxy said:

    I suppose the permanent detention of tens of thousands in hotels, without hearing cases or allowing them to work might be a recipie for trouble.
    Next 5000 illegals from boats offer them british citizenship fasttracked if the sign an NDA which means they will lose that citizenship and be deported if they help make youtube videos of border services executing them on the spot....push the video's on youtube and if countries complain just shrug.....immigrants will see them and stop coming
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    edited March 2023

    https://www.mountvernon.org/george-washington/slavery/
    Many thanks - had not been familiar with this.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620

    You could argue that 617 kept the concept of precision attack alive. Which in turn led to the Pathfinders, and to the Oboe Mosquito system.
    Oh,. absolutely. And also the casualty rate from the Dams raid itself was ferocious.
  • https://www.mountvernon.org/george-washington/slavery/
    Talking about mount(ains)...

    I find mountains very funny, do you know why? Because they are hill-areas.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,937
    edited March 2023
    Pagan2 said:

    Next 5000 illegals from boats offer them british citizenship fasttracked if the sign an NDA which means they will lose that citizenship and be deported if they help make youtube videos of border services executing them on the spot....push the video's on youtube and if countries complain just shrug.....immigrants will see them and stop coming
    I know it’s a joke, but it points to one of the intractable cultural gulfs within British society. Those who care about our reputation abroad and those who don’t. Those who were embarrassed at our hooligans in the 80s and 90s and those who though they were funny.

    Not a value judgment. There are merits to be argued for both positions. But nevertheless a real cleavage.

    A lot of the 2016 vote and subsequent commons battles within both major parties can probably be traced back to this divide.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,548

    Talking about mount(ains)...

    I find mountains very funny, do you know why? Because they are hill-areas.
    That pun was at best rocky.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,674

    Talking about mount(ains)...

    I find mountains very funny, do you know why? Because they are hill-areas.
    Do they give you the Matter-Horn?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,263
    ydoethur said:

    That pun was at best rocky.
    It's a fair Kop.
  • Does anyone else have a job that’s training for their holidays?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,507

    Call me old-fashioned, but I don't think violence against women is funny.
    Nor do I.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    Foxy said:

    It's a fair Kop.
    One has to take the cnocs, reading such puns on PB.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,263
    Carnyx said:

    One has to take the cnocs, reading such puns on PB.
    It Alps to have a dictionary handy at times.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,553

    Do they give you the Matter-Horn?
    Can't you guys let it ever rest?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,548

    Can't you guys let it ever rest?
    Do you think it's oK 2?
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,264
    edited March 2023
    First, welcome back, Cyclefree.

    And let me add a little detail to your discussion: In that wonderfully funny* book, "The Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight", Breslin describes the Mafia narcotics operations of a Brooklyn boss as depending on Swiss banks:
    "It takes large amounts of cash in small bills to pay for a shipment of heroin or cocaine which could earn hundreds of thousands of dollars. If Bacala feels a shipment is worth it, he sends Moe Fein on a plane to Lucerne, Switzerland, to withdraw the money from Bacala's numbered accounts. The accounts total over eleven million dollars. In Switzerland, Fein meets someone from the Corsican drug factory organization."

    Money changes hands, narcotics soon flow through Montreal into New York, where they are sold on the street.

    So, it wasn't just tax evaders who used Switzerland.

    (* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gang_That_Couldn't_Shoot_Straight_(novel)
    Wonderfully funny if you don't mind a bunch of low-level gangsters getting killed. Or the odd result of the movie made, loosely, on the book. It made Joey Gallo, on whom the novel is based, a celebrity, which pleased him, in spite of the fact that the book depicts him as an incompetent thug.)
  • Astonishing rant from Conte

    Surely he must be sacked in the morning !!!!!!

    'Conte lets rip at Tottenham | 'I see selfish players - I don't see a team''

    http://www.skysports.com/share/12837453
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,264
    Speaking of tax evasion, this search string will produce some interesting results: "tax evasion + Apple, Inc."
  • Actually I'm moving the awesome pun thread to tomorrow afternoon.
  • ReedReed Posts: 152
    Think too many people have been on the drink tonite.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    MikeL said:

    LATEST
    @OpiniumResearch
    /
    @ObserverUK
    poll

    No budget bounce for the Conservatives as Labour’s lead holds at 15 points. (Changes are vs. last week rather than our last published Observer poll)

    Con 29% (nc)
    Lab 44% (nc)
    Lib Dems 8% (nc)
    Green 6% (+1)
    ReformUK 7% (-1)

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch

    Con + Reform on 36% combined is a reassuring result for the right-of-centre parties.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,929

    Nothing to see here…..

    EXC: Senior execs at @Circ_Scotland, the firm in charge of Scotland’s under-fire deposit return scheme, are receiving £670,000 a year in salaries & fees, confidential documents leaked to @TheScotsman show. Its CEO, David Harris, has a salary of £300k. scotsman.com/business/depos…

    https://twitter.com/martynmcl/status/1637151843913441280

    I've no problem with that as long as it is received entirely in the form of empty glass bottles and cans.
  • The Sunday Mail have dusted off the SNP dirt file, might be good for a laugh tomorrow

    https://twitter.com/CraigoRobertson/status/1637201937173995521
  • Reed said:

    The speech has been reinstated on youtube now.
    Like I said grifters want to make money out of it. Its a tricky one when someone is making such obviously dangerous and insincere comments. He is clearly a disgrace to himself let alone anyone else. Right down there with Piers Corbyn. I know people those folks led by the nose to an early grave and I don't have much sympathy for their whining. However, I don't think Bridgen is actually advocating violence or bloodshed (unlike many of his supporters) so it is probably best not to block his comments. Sometimes you just have to hold your nose and wave them through
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,821
    OK, pb brains trust: I'm in the midst of, for want of a better word, a loft conversion. Two new bedrooms and an office upstairs. I need to start thinking about lighting. Too many light fittings appear to be there to looked at, rather than to cast the room in an appealing light. The default is pendants, but they cast a horrible light. The secondary default is spots, which are fine, but don't enthuse me (and also aren't great for insulation). I'm thinking perhaps wall lights of some sort, but that's as far as I've got. Any experts (whether self-appointed or otherwise) on interior illumination here?
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,796
    TimS said:

    I know it’s a joke, but it points to one of the intractable cultural gulfs within British society. Those who care about our reputation abroad and those who don’t. Those who were embarrassed at our hooligans in the 80s and 90s and those who though they were funny.

    Not a value judgment. There are merits to be argued for both positions. But nevertheless a real cleavage.

    A lot of the 2016 vote and subsequent commons battles within both major parties can probably be traced back to this divide.
    Actually it wasn't a joke and frankly who cares about the UK's reputation abroad.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,296
    Pagan2 said:

    Actually it wasn't a joke and frankly who cares about the UK's reputation abroad.
    I do
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,263
    edited March 2023
    Cookie said:

    OK, pb brains trust: I'm in the midst of, for want of a better word, a loft conversion. Two new bedrooms and an office upstairs. I need to start thinking about lighting. Too many light fittings appear to be there to looked at, rather than to cast the room in an appealing light. The default is pendants, but they cast a horrible light. The secondary default is spots, which are fine, but don't enthuse me (and also aren't great for insulation). I'm thinking perhaps wall lights of some sort, but that's as far as I've got. Any experts (whether self-appointed or otherwise) on interior illumination here?

    Uplighters do give rather more subtle lighting, though probably want something stronger over the desk.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359
    Cyclefree said:

    This is a shortened version of longer article, considering some other aspects of this issue, which you can find here, if interested - https://medium.com/@cyclefree2/cuckoo-be1c97265e6b.

    Good to see you back.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,796

    I do
    Why? China has a bad rep, same with russia, the us, how the fuck does it effect you.

    The EU sends migrants to slave labour factories in LIbya they dont seem to care about rep

    If we get a rep for summarily executing illegals (even though we actually arent) and illegals stop coming well thats one in the plus column as far as I can see.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,296
    Cookie said:

    OK, pb brains trust: I'm in the midst of, for want of a better word, a loft conversion. Two new bedrooms and an office upstairs. I need to start thinking about lighting. Too many light fittings appear to be there to looked at, rather than to cast the room in an appealing light. The default is pendants, but they cast a horrible light. The secondary default is spots, which are fine, but don't enthuse me (and also aren't great for insulation). I'm thinking perhaps wall lights of some sort, but that's as far as I've got. Any experts (whether self-appointed or otherwise) on interior illumination here?

    Not an expert but we have gone for extensive use of wall-lights which direct the light up to the ceiling in out last couple of houses. That way you get a well-lit room without the glare of direct lights.
  • ReedReed Posts: 152

    Like I said grifters want to make money out of it. Its a tricky one when someone is making such obviously dangerous and insincere comments. He is clearly a disgrace to himself let alone anyone else. Right down there with Piers Corbyn. I know people those folks led by the nose to an early grave and I don't have much sympathy for their whining. However, I don't think Bridgen is actually advocating violence or bloodshed (unlike many of his supporters) so it is probably best not to block his comments. Sometimes you just have to hold your nose and wave them through
    Mind you there is this from Bridgen

    I can confirm that during my visit to Washington DC last Christmas/ New Year I was informed that the US DoD were responsible for both the virus and the vaccines. Fort Detrick was named. Also a facility in Canada. (1/2)

    10:19 AM · Mar 12, 2023

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    By the end of the month I expect to see the start of criminal proceedings against the many politicians and officials who are responsible around the world. (2/2)

    10:19 AM · Mar 12, 2023

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    https://twitter.com/ABridgen/status/1634861570957225984?s=20
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    How dare YouTube block a speech made by an elected member of the House of Commons in the chamber of the house, regardless of whether or not what he was saying was nonsense.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,796
    Andy_JS said:

    How dare YouTube block a speech made by an elected member of the House of Commons in the chamber of the house, regardless of whether or not what he was saying was nonsense.

    Its a private company they can choose what they allow on their site. How dare Bridgen demand he is shown in all his ignominy or any other fuckwit like him
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,296
    Pagan2 said:

    Why? China has a bad rep, same with russia, the us, how the fuck does it effect you.

    The EU sends migrants to slave labour factories in LIbya they dont seem to care about rep

    If we get a rep for summarily executing illegals (even though we actually arent) and illegals stop coming well thats one in the plus column as far as I can see.
    Whether it directly affects me is neither here nor there. I care about the reputation of the country because I still believe we can be an influence for good in the world.

    The idea of summarily executing anybody is totally abhorrent to me. Pretending to do so is both abhorrent and frankly ridiculous - if it were to be believed (it wouldn't) we'd be a pariah state; since it would be seen through very easily we'd just look totally stupid.

    Have you been drinking?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,821

    Not an expert but we have gone for extensive use of wall-lights which direct the light up to the ceiling in out last couple of houses. That way you get a well-lit room without the glare of direct lights.
    My only bit of expertise on this is one sentence gleaned second hand from someone who IS an expert in interior lighting, reported by an architect: that the way you perceive the light in a room is by the light on the walls. Uplighters (or up and down lighters, if such a thing exists) would probably do the trick here.
    And like Foxy says, something rather brighter where there is a desk.
  • ReedReed Posts: 152
    Pagan2 said:

    Its a private company they can choose what they allow on their site. How dare Bridgen demand he is shown in all his ignominy or any other fuckwit like him
    A Bridgen too far.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,796
    edited March 2023

    Whether it directly affects me is neither here nor there. I care about the reputation of the country because I still believe we can be an influence for good in the world.

    The idea of summarily executing anybody is totally abhorrent to me. Pretending to do so is both abhorrent and frankly ridiculous - if it were to be believed (it wouldn't) we'd be a pariah state; since it would be seen through very easily we'd just look totally stupid.

    Have you been drinking?
    The point was we weren't summarily executing people, we were giving ourselves the rep for it. Personally if it saves lives because illegals stop drowning because they stop crossing in small boats because they fear a bullet in the back of the head if they land then yes reputation can go hang if it saves even 1 life. Its about as valuable a whores used knickers

    If reputation is more important then you are hyacinth bucket and I claim my 5 pounds
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,630
    Reed said:

    Mind you there is this from Bridgen

    I can confirm that during my visit to Washington DC last Christmas/ New Year I was informed that the US DoD were responsible for both the virus and the vaccines. Fort Detrick was named. Also a facility in Canada. (1/2)

    10:19 AM · Mar 12, 2023

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    1.4M

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    By the end of the month I expect to see the start of criminal proceedings against the many politicians and officials who are responsible around the world. (2/2)

    10:19 AM · Mar 12, 2023

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    439.7K

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    https://twitter.com/ABridgen/status/1634861570957225984?s=20
    FFS. ‘Informed’ by whom? There are a ton of fuckwits out there who believe any old shit, rather than the truth about vaccines.
    No question, some people were injured and some died as a result of the covid vaccination. But vastly more lives were saved. If you don’t agree please show your evidence, and not just twitter posts.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,360
    Pagan2 said:

    Why? China has a bad rep, same with russia, the us, how the fuck does it effect you.

    The EU sends migrants to slave labour factories in LIbya they dont seem to care about rep

    If we get a rep for summarily executing illegals (even though we actually arent) and illegals stop coming well thats one in the plus column as far as I can see.
    You've highlighted the hard-nosed reason national reputation matters.

    Russia struggles to sell stuff abroad because almost everyone hates the Russian government. (Sorry, trollskis, but it's true.)

    The lack of trust people have in the Chinese government has a similar effect; the world buys lots of Chinese stuff because it's cheap, and their attempts to move into higher-value stuff (say electronics) look like being hampered by the poor rep the Chinese state has.

    Now you can sell anything if it's cheap enough, sure. But that feeds back into the fundamentally rubbish lives workers in those countries have. Similarly, the broadly positive view the world has of the British- that we're basically decent and honest and law-abiding makes the UK a place where people are willing to do business and we all profit from that.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,821

    Not an expert but we have gone for extensive use of wall-lights which direct the light up to the ceiling in out last couple of houses. That way you get a well-lit room without the glare of direct lights.
    Ben - when you say 'extensive' - would you use in a bedroom, and if so how many in a large-ish double bedroom?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,132
    Cookie said:

    OK, pb brains trust: I'm in the midst of, for want of a better word, a loft conversion. Two new bedrooms and an office upstairs. I need to start thinking about lighting. Too many light fittings appear to be there to looked at, rather than to cast the room in an appealing light. The default is pendants, but they cast a horrible light. The secondary default is spots, which are fine, but don't enthuse me (and also aren't great for insulation). I'm thinking perhaps wall lights of some sort, but that's as far as I've got. Any experts (whether self-appointed or otherwise) on interior illumination here?

    As others have said, uplighters are nice.

    An office in the eaves in summer, especially if you have computers and printers in it that get warm, might benefit from one of these though

    https://www.theceilingfancompany.co.uk/fans-with-lights/mayfair-white-with-light-111825
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,796

    Whether it directly affects me is neither here nor there. I care about the reputation of the country because I still believe we can be an influence for good in the world.

    The idea of summarily executing anybody is totally abhorrent to me. Pretending to do so is both abhorrent and frankly ridiculous - if it were to be believed (it wouldn't) we'd be a pariah state; since it would be seen through very easily we'd just look totally stupid.

    Have you been drinking?
    The point was we weren't summarily executing people, we were giving ourselves the rep for it. Personally if it saves lives because illegals stop drowning because they stop cr

    You've highlighted the hard-nosed reason national reputation matters.

    Russia struggles to sell stuff abroad because almost everyone hates the Russian government. (Sorry, trollskis, but it's true.)

    The lack of trust people have in the Chinese government has a similar effect; the world buys lots of Chinese stuff because it's cheap, and their attempts to move into higher-value stuff (say electronics) look like being hampered by the poor rep the Chinese state has.

    Now you can sell anything if it's cheap enough, sure. But that feeds back into the fundamentally rubbish lives workers in those countries have. Similarly, the broadly positive view the world has of the British- that we're basically decent and honest and law-abiding makes the UK a place where people are willing to do business and we all profit from that.
    People like you are always saying though we don't produce any goods people want so no harm then
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,296
    edited March 2023
    Foxy said:

    Uplighters do give rather more subtle lighting, though probably want something stronger over the desk.
    That's true. We managed to get one of these Artemide Tizio 35's some years ago in a clearance sale for a snip, it's excellent but pricy when undiscounted.

    image
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    Andy_JS said:

    How dare YouTube block a speech made by an elected member of the House of Commons in the chamber of the house, regardless of whether or not what he was saying was nonsense.

    Right to free speech does not mean right to a platform.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,548
    Cookie said:

    My only bit of expertise on this is one sentence gleaned second hand from someone who IS an expert in interior lighting, reported by an architect: that the way you perceive the light in a room is by the light on the walls. Uplighters (or up and down lighters, if such a thing exists) would probably do the trick here.
    They do. I have them in my sunroom.

    Look for exterior lights as they offer that feature.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939

    Does anyone else have a job that’s training for their holidays?

    Only if I'm holidaying on that island from Lord of the Flies.
  • ReedReed Posts: 152
    dixiedean said:

    Right to free speech does not mean right to a platform.
    I think it does if he said it in the House if Commons.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,012
    edited March 2023

    Astonishing rant from Conte

    Surely he must be sacked in the morning !!!!!!

    'Conte lets rip at Tottenham | 'I see selfish players - I don't see a team''

    http://www.skysports.com/share/12837453

    Tottenham always choke at critical moments. 3 -1 up away from home, ...to only draw is appalling. Always chose the other team in critical fixtures involving Spurs....its paid off in the past....no reason why not in the future....
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,796
    dixiedean said:

    Only if I'm holidaying on that island from Lord of the Flies.
    Or your bog standard comprehensive as that island is more often called

  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,796
    Reed said:

    I think it does if he said it in the House if Commons.
    Yes but you are wrong
  • ReedReed Posts: 152
    Pagan2 said:

    Or your bog standard comprehensive as that island is more often called

    Id like to buy my own island at some point. Keep out the riff raff.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,630
    Reed said:

    I think it does if he said it in the House if Commons.
    It’ll be in that massively read journal of record, Hansard… That’s as far as I’d like to see it. He is so far down the rabbit hole only his feet are showing. I wonder if he tries to ask scientists who disagree with what he is propounding (most of them). Almost certainly not.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    Reed said:

    I think it does if he said it in the House if Commons.
    In the H of C.
    Not on YouTube.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,296
    edited March 2023
    Cookie said:

    Ben - when you say 'extensive' - would you use in a bedroom, and if so how many in a large-ish double bedroom?
    Yes we have one each side of the bed in our bedroom, separately switched. They are up and down lighters - the downlight is useful for reading, the uplight gives a nice soft light in the whole room. (We do get a bit of a glare off the ceiling mirror over the bed but hey-ho*.)

    We also have some ceiling-hung spots to shine into the wardrobe - useful on dark mornings when you're trying to fine the right colour shirt etc. but we use those only occasionally.

    *Ok that's a joke.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,796
    Reed said:

    Id like to buy my own island at some point. Keep out the riff raff.
    If you do it will be your right to say "No putin you can keep on knocking but you can' t come in"
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    edited March 2023
    Pagan2 said:

    Or your bog standard comprehensive as that island is more often called

    I certainly don't work in a "bog standard Comprehensive".
    Standards of behaviour and education are stratospheric in them compared to what they were.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,884
    As I recall, Credit Suisse hired an American Chief Risk Officer, who had no risk experience and was tasked with finding "business opportunities". That worked as well you would expect.

    I suspect UBS might be interested in Credit Suisse's private banking business - the clients and relationship managers - but not the organisation, and certainly not the investment bank.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    EFC 2-1 to be relegated.
    10 games to play. Fewer than most of our rivals. 6 against the top 9.
    Of the other 4 only 1 is at home. Bournemouth on the final day.
    I reckon that is value.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,296
    Presumably that bell-end Bridgen will not be reselected as the Tory candidate for North West Leicestershire since he does not have the Troy whip (even though he's still a member of the Conservative party)?
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,884

    Intrigued by the 23% who think the Braverman plan will make the boat situation worse. I'm not sure they're wrong, but I'm intrigued at the logic.
    They could be reading "small boats issue" as overall asylum policy, not just numbers of small boats.

    The lack of legal asylum routes certainly does increase the number of small boat crossings however.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,012

    That's true. We managed to get one of these Artemide Tizio 35's some years ago in a clearance sale for a snip, it's excellent but pricy when undiscounted.

    image
    That has sat on our big table since 1980.

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,263
    dixiedean said:

    EFC 2-1 to be relegated.
    10 games to play. Fewer than most of our rivals. 6 against the top 9.
    Of the other 4 only 1 is at home. Bournemouth on the final day.
    I reckon that is value.

    5.2 for Leicester to go down looks value to me (though I got on at longer odds). We are 17th and playing poorly, with a manager whose teams always fade at the end of a season.

    Yes, we equalised today, but it was our only shot on target of the game.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,937
    edited March 2023
    Pagan2 said:

    The point was we weren't summarily executing people, we were giving ourselves the rep for it. Personally if it saves lives because illegals stop drowning because they stop cr People like you are always saying though we don't produce any goods people want so no harm then
    This is an interesting discussion. I think I’m on to something here. You really don’t care how we are seen abroad, and I think there are many people who think like you. Millions perhaps.

    I do. Why? Not for hard nosed reasons. Probably somewhere deep down in my inner psyche. Something imbued in me by my parents. Wanting to be liked. Seen as an all round good egg. Not wanting to cause unnecessary offence. Some prefer to be liked than feared. Others, the reverse.

    It’s perhaps one of those horseshoe theories which explain why the Etonians and the Red wall get along so unaccountably well together. A contentment with being feared and respected, rather than liked. Something shared by many Russians, US Republicans and - unlike his centrist brethren - Emmanuel Macron.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    Foxy said:

    5.2 for Leicester to go down looks value to me (though I got on at longer odds). We are 17th and playing poorly, with a manager whose teams always fade at the end of a season.

    Yes, we equalised today, but it was our only shot on target of the game.
    I wonder about Palace?
    They don't seem to be getting any points at all.
    It is desperately close between the bottom 9.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594
    TimS said:

    This is an interesting discussion. I think I’m on to something here. You really don’t care how we are seen abroad, and I think there are many people who think like you. Millions perhaps.

    I do. Why? Not for hard nosed reasons. Probably somewhere deep down in my inner psyche. Something imbued in me by my parents. Wanting to be liked. Seen as an all round good egg. Not wanting to cause unnecessary offence. Some prefer to be liked than feared. Others, the reverse.

    It’s perhaps one of those horseshoe theories which explain why the Etonians and the Red wall get along so unaccountably well together. A contentment with being feared and respected, rather than liked. Something shared by many Russians, US Republicans and - unlike his centrist brethren - Emmanuel Macron.
    I think the danger is when people overreact to things. They see a comedy show in Germany making fun of the UK over Boris and flip their shit over it, that sort of thing.

    I want the UK to be positively thought of. But I think absent truly extreme Trumpian cases the reputation of a country and its citizens doesn't shift all that much, and certainly does not have the diplomatic effect some people think it does - deals get struck with dictators and authoritarian regimes all the time, if you avoid Putinesque exploits people's views might fluctuate a bit but any significant change, say on seeing your country as more prosperous, more liberal etc, will take many many years.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    edited March 2023

    Intrigued by the 23% who think the Braverman plan will make the boat situation worse. I'm not sure they're wrong, but I'm intrigued at the logic.
    There isn't any logic to it. The 23% are people who detest the policy and replying like this is their way of expressing it.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,674
    Reed said:

    Think too many people have been on the drink tonite.

    No nude to be reed!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,263
    dixiedean said:

    I wonder about Palace?
    They don't seem to be getting any points at all.
    It is desperately close between the bottom 9.
    Our next game is away at Palace, so should fix that for them!

    Any of the bottom 9 could go down.

    Our last match is West Ham at home. It could come down to that.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,132
    Reed said:

    Think too many people have been on the drink tonite.

    Is it not after the lagershed in St Petersburg?
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    Good to see Cyclefree back.

    Groucho Marx said he wouldn't want to join any club that would have him as a member. Why would UBS want to buy Credit Suisse? What is in it for them? One thinks back to Victor Blank and Lloyds deciding to buy HBOS without doing due diligence. Surely the most calamitous acquisition in British corporate history.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,937
    edited March 2023
    Andy_JS said:

    There isn't any logic to it. The 23% are people who detest the policy, and replying in this way is their way of expressing it.
    Similar vibes with the people saying the budget this week would make them worse off. There were no tax or spending announcements that would make any significant group of people worse off. It was a budget of fiscal loosening. But a portion of people would always say the worst possible thing about a government they hate.

    (Not to say I thought the budget was great by the way, It was, in my appraisal, not screamingly bad).
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594
    Reed said:

    I think it does if he said it in the House if Commons.
    Not so - should tiktok be forced to host House of Commons debates for example? Itunes putting up podcasts of it?

    I think the decision was a stupid one, even though Bridgen is a deeply stupid man based on his words and actions, but Parliament makes footage available and he provided another way of accessing it. The power of a big company to control the debate because of the dominance of their platforms is something to be concerned about, but if they are not required to provide something, how can they be forced to do so?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    edited March 2023
    Left-wing writer Nick Cohen decides that wokeism does in fact exist.

    "Nick Cohen
    @NickCohen4
    "The wokeism that dare not speak its name"
    Long read from me on how, despite all the claims to the contrary, a distinct progressive ideology came out of the US and why its illiberalism will undermine it."

    https://twitter.com/NickCohen4/status/1637045971581370374

    "Two ideas can be true simultaneously. A new and distinct “woke” ideology developed after 2010 in American academia, and boorish right-wingers use “woke” to mean “whatever I don’t like”.

    https://twitter.com/NickCohen4/status/1637047538913013760
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,263
    TimS said:

    Similar vibes with the people saying the budget this week would make them worse off. There were no tax or spending announcements that would make any significant group of people worse off. It was a budget of fiscal loosening. But a portion of people would always say the worst possible thing about a government they hate.

    (Not to say I thought the budget was great by the way, It was, in my appraisal, not screamingly bad).
    I think most people will be worse off from Hunts budget due to fiscal drag, but probably haven't spotted that yet.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    edited March 2023
    TimS said:

    Similar vibes with the people saying the budget this week would make them worse off. There were no tax or spending announcements that would make any significant group of people worse off. It was a budget of fiscal loosening. But a portion of people would always say the worst possible thing about a government they hate.

    (Not to say I thought the budget was great by the way, It was, in my appraisal, not screamingly bad).
    It's certainly made me worse off.
    Fiscal drag.
    That it wasn't mentioned in the Budget doesn't change that.
    Plus. Constant below inflation pay offers make me worse off.
    They aren't expressed either.
    Still makes me worse off.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,674
    dixiedean said:

    It's certainly made me worse off.
    Fiscal drag.
    That it wasn't mentioned in the Budget doesn't change that.
    Fiscal drag... is a cross-dressing banker?
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    Scott_xP said:

    Is it not after the lagershed in St Petersburg?
    You have to allow people the chance to drown their sorrows.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,674
    dixiedean said:

    I wonder about Palace?
    They don't seem to be getting any points at all.
    It is desperately close between the bottom 9.
    I'm officially worried about the Hammers' chances this season :(
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    Anyone in more important news, Gary Lineker is back on Match Of The Day.

    Looking forward to all the expert analysis on how he did after his period on the sidelines. A little rusty, short of match practice? Like he'd never been away?
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    edited March 2023
    So the fat oafs defence is he’s too stupid to realize that the rules were being broken . So just parroted lines given to him by his advisors.

  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,979
    SNP leadership round 87

    Nicola Sturgeon’s sister has just said she would rather vote Tory than for Kate Forbes or Ash Regan

    https://twitter.com/paulhutcheon/status/1637184432418217984

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180
    edited March 2023

    You have to allow people the chance to drown their sorrows.
    Indeed. There must be an island somewhere that Vladimir can capture for him. Ideally one without a standing army though.

    Surely getting deep into 3 figures on PB before the ban hammer deserves that.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,219
    edited March 2023
    dixiedean said:

    I certainly don't work in a "bog standard Comprehensive".
    Standards of behaviour and education are stratospheric in them compared to what they were.
    “He consistently sets himself low standards. And fails the meet them.”
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,381

    SNP leadership round 87

    Nicola Sturgeon’s sister has just said she would rather vote Tory than for Kate Forbes or Ash Regan

    https://twitter.com/paulhutcheon/status/1637184432418217984

    The SNP look to be in as bad as if not worse state than Labour were at their lowest point under the Absolute Boy.
    If SLAB can't win at least 20 seats at the next election at this point then they're a bit shit.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,263

    Anyone in more important news, Gary Lineker is back on Match Of The Day.

    Looking forward to all the expert analysis on how he did after his period on the sidelines. A little rusty, short of match practice? Like he'd never been away?

    Not him tonight, Mark Chapman tonight.

  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,937
    dixiedean said:

    It's certainly made me worse off.
    Fiscal drag.
    That it wasn't mentioned in the Budget doesn't change that.
    Plus. Constant below inflation pay offers make me worse off.
    They aren't expressed either.
    Still makes me worse off.
    Fiscal drag should mean an answer of “the same”. It would happen if we didn’t have any budgets.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,296
    geoffw said:

    That has sat on our big table since 1980.

    Blimey, I didn't realise they had been around for so long. Still looks bang up to date to me.

    We enjoy spotting them on the TV - usually in dramas, used to denote sophisticated good taste.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,219
    DavidL said:

    Indeed. There must be an island somewhere that Vladimir can capture for him. Ideally one without a standing army though.

    Surely getting deep into 3 figures on PB before the ban hammer deserves that.
    Biggest advance Russia has made in weeks.

    Thing like that might put a bit of stride in a chaps step…

    https://imgur.com/HIcHo30
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,062

    SNP leadership round 87

    Nicola Sturgeon’s sister has just said she would rather vote Tory than for Kate Forbes or Ash Regan

    https://twitter.com/paulhutcheon/status/1637184432418217984

    I am sure Douglas Ross and Rishi will gladly welcome her into the fold when, as looks increasingly likely, Kate Forbes is elected SNP leader
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,630
    Foxy said:

    Not him tonight, Mark Chapman tonight.

    So much worse tonight than with Gary, said literally no one.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,264
    I was charmed by Gillian Sturgeon's "cast assumptions with no evidence", and spent more time than I should have trying to figure out what she meant. Perhaps "cast aspersions"?

    (I can think of how one might -- and sometimes should -- cast away assumptions, as one sometimes should, but just casting them?)
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Only 4-9?


  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,219

    Good to see Cyclefree back.

    Groucho Marx said he wouldn't want to join any club that would have him as a member. Why would UBS want to buy Credit Suisse? What is in it for them? One thinks back to Victor Blank and Lloyds deciding to buy HBOS without doing due diligence. Surely the most calamitous acquisition in British corporate history.

    Buy the wreckage cheap. Tear it down for parts. Junk the rest….
  • Only 4-9?


    Bit disappointing. Unless it's a series which is unfolding all week...
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