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Cuckoo? – politicalbetting.com

It is a measure of how seriously the Swiss authorities view Credit Suisse’s position that they are, according to weekend reports, orchestrating a UBS takeover.

Read the full story here

fitalass

First

Casino_Royale

I love this 21st Century gag of an existential global crisis every 24 months.

Cracking fun.

Casino_Royale

PS. Great to see @Cyclefree posting above the line again.

SeaShantyIrish2

She's back! And so is fitalass!

Reed

I agree with nearly every word of this. The big banks need to be broken up and salaries reduced to levels of public utility providers such as water companies.

kle4

Speaking of things which are cuckoo, whilst Youtube can do what it likes it may be the first time I've thought Bridgen had a point in having a grievance. For one thing, the speech was probably a laugh riot of idiocy and many people are now denied that through the main platform.

@YouTube have taken down the speech I gave in Parliament today. I am an elected member of the UK Parliament. The speech was given in the Chamber of the House of Commons and responded to by a Government Minister, what chance has anyone else got of putting their views on YouTube?
https://twitter.com/ABridgen/status/1636824545330905117

Reed

kle4 said:

Speaking of things which are cuckoo, whilst Youtube can do what it likes it may be the first time I've thought Bridgen had a point in having a grievance. For one thing, the speech was probably a laugh riot of idiocy and many people are now denied that through the main platform.

@YouTube have taken down the speech I gave in Parliament today. I am an elected member of the UK Parliament. The speech was given in the Chamber of the House of Commons and responded to by a Government Minister, what chance has anyone else got of putting their views on YouTube?
https://twitter.com/ABridgen/status/1636824545330905117

Disgusting decision by youtube though you can still see the speech on rumble. Whatever else you think of him hes a brave man.

kle4

For the best part of a century, Switzerland’s financial USP was discretion, carefully protected by banking secrecy laws. Or, more bluntly, Swiss banks were where you hid your money, few questions asked. That ended as a result of US fury on discovering how UBS and others had helped US taxpayers evade tax. So the new USP became expertise: put your money in Switzerland not to hide it but because Swiss bankers know how to manage it well.

Shows how behand the times I am. Where do people now go to hide their money? I guess they just invent incrediblty complex and opaque corproate structures to move things about or something.

Even for some enthusiastic capitalists I can see the final paragraph striking a chord. Big global institutions, when they go wrong, seem to go really wrong.

WillG

kle4 said:

For the best part of a century, Switzerland’s financial USP was discretion, carefully protected by banking secrecy laws. Or, more bluntly, Swiss banks were where you hid your money, few questions asked. That ended as a result of US fury on discovering how UBS and others had helped US taxpayers evade tax. So the new USP became expertise: put your money in Switzerland not to hide it but because Swiss bankers know how to manage it well.

Shows how behand the times I am. Where do people now go to hide their money? I guess they just invent incrediblty complex and opaque corproate structures to move things about or something.

Even for some enthusiastic capitalists I can see the final paragraph striking a chord. Big global institutions, when they go wrong, seem to go really wrong.

British dependencies.

SeaShantyIrish2

Perhaps worth noting, if only in passing, that the original Glass-Steagall Act, was named for two rather conservative (economically and especially socially) Southern Democrats:

> US Senator Carter Glass of Virginia, previously US Representative and Woodrow Wilson's Secretary of the Treasury
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carter_Glass

> US Representative Henry B. Steagall of Alabama,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_B._Steagall

The election of Franklin Roosevelt in 1932, was preceded by Democratic takeover of US Congress, which was further enhanced by virtue of FDR's coattails. This in turn put numerous Southern Democrats into key committee chairs, thanks to their seniority in office, thanks to the Solid South amplified by Dixie custom of re-electing incumbents to increase their clout in Our Nation's Capital.

Also worth noting that, back in them days, the South was, in economic terms, like the West and (most of the) Midwest, opposed to the domination of the Northeast in general and Wall Street in particular.

Hence even Southern conservatives wanted to clamp down on high finance in the 1930s, for their specific sins AND on general principles.

Way less true to day - to put it mildly.

kle4

WillG said:

kle4 said:

For the best part of a century, Switzerland’s financial USP was discretion, carefully protected by banking secrecy laws. Or, more bluntly, Swiss banks were where you hid your money, few questions asked. That ended as a result of US fury on discovering how UBS and others had helped US taxpayers evade tax. So the new USP became expertise: put your money in Switzerland not to hide it but because Swiss bankers know how to manage it well.

Shows how behand the times I am. Where do people now go to hide their money? I guess they just invent incrediblty complex and opaque corproate structures to move things about or something.

Even for some enthusiastic capitalists I can see the final paragraph striking a chord. Big global institutions, when they go wrong, seem to go really wrong.

British dependencies.

Of course. Well, now I know. Next step is to get enough money to hide. Maybe Richard Sharp could help.

eek

If you have an android phone and use Google’s Markdown screenshot editing software find someone else’s

https://twitter.com/ItsSimonTime/status/1636857478263750656

kle4

Reed said:

kle4 said:

Speaking of things which are cuckoo, whilst Youtube can do what it likes it may be the first time I've thought Bridgen had a point in having a grievance. For one thing, the speech was probably a laugh riot of idiocy and many people are now denied that through the main platform.

@YouTube have taken down the speech I gave in Parliament today. I am an elected member of the UK Parliament. The speech was given in the Chamber of the House of Commons and responded to by a Government Minister, what chance has anyone else got of putting their views on YouTube?
https://twitter.com/ABridgen/status/1636824545330905117

Whatever else you think of him hes a brave man.

Er, no. Where does the 'brave' come into it? He's a crank, and he should be allowed to be a crank, but people are not being brave just because they get ridiculed for what they say.

Is Erich von Daniken 'brave' because people mock him?

TheScreamingEagles

A defiant Boris Johnson is preparing an extraordinary televised defence of his actions during the Partygate scandal, as his allies this weekend accused the parliamentary inquiry into the affair of relying on weak evidence compiled by a former civil servant recruited by the Labour party.

With a potentially explosive appearance at the Commons privileges committee due on Wednesday, the Observer can reveal that the former PM’s legal team intends to publish written evidence, including new witness statements, supporting Johnson’s claim that he did not knowingly mislead MPs over lockdown parties – as well as examples of the advice he was given at the time.

The document, overseen by his lead counsel David Pannick, is set to be published before Wednesday’s five-hour hearing. It is expected to warn the cross-party committee that it will effectively be ripping up parliamentary precedent should it sanction Johnson, who, the document will say, gave his honest views at the time and corrected the record when he learned of wrongdoing.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/mar/18/boris-johnson-makes-last-ditch-bid-to-discredit-partygate-probe

Reed

kle4 said:

Speaking of things which are cuckoo, whilst Youtube can do what it likes it may be the first time I've thought Bridgen had a point in having a grievance. For one thing, the speech was probably a laugh riot of idiocy and many people are now denied that through the main platform.

@YouTube have taken down the speech I gave in Parliament today. I am an elected member of the UK Parliament. The speech was given in the Chamber of the House of Commons and responded to by a Government Minister, what chance has anyone else got of putting their views on YouTube?
https://twitter.com/ABridgen/status/1636824545330905117

Youtube have now reinstated Andrew Bridgen speech.

Pleased to see that after such a large public outcry my speech has been reinstated on YouTube. Power does rest with the people, a salutary lesson for our self appointed masters.

youtube.com

https://twitter.com/ABridgen/status/1637109145118601216?s=20

TheScreamingEagles

There is also speculation this weekend that Johnson may be using his resignation honours list to reward those who have helped him through the inquiry – an allegation his team rejects as “completely untrue”. The Observer has been told that several figures who have featured in the inquiry also appeared in the draft version of Johnson’s honours list.

Casino_Royale

WillG said:

kle4 said:

For the best part of a century, Switzerland’s financial USP was discretion, carefully protected by banking secrecy laws. Or, more bluntly, Swiss banks were where you hid your money, few questions asked. That ended as a result of US fury on discovering how UBS and others had helped US taxpayers evade tax. So the new USP became expertise: put your money in Switzerland not to hide it but because Swiss bankers know how to manage it well.

Shows how behand the times I am. Where do people now go to hide their money? I guess they just invent incrediblty complex and opaque corproate structures to move things about or something.

Even for some enthusiastic capitalists I can see the final paragraph striking a chord. Big global institutions, when they go wrong, seem to go really wrong.

British dependencies.

Makes me proud to be British.

Reed

kle4 said:

Reed said:

kle4 said:

Speaking of things which are cuckoo, whilst Youtube can do what it likes it may be the first time I've thought Bridgen had a point in having a grievance. For one thing, the speech was probably a laugh riot of idiocy and many people are now denied that through the main platform.

@YouTube have taken down the speech I gave in Parliament today. I am an elected member of the UK Parliament. The speech was given in the Chamber of the House of Commons and responded to by a Government Minister, what chance has anyone else got of putting their views on YouTube?
https://twitter.com/ABridgen/status/1636824545330905117

Whatever else you think of him hes a brave man.

Er, no. Where does the 'brave' come into it? He's a crank, and he should be allowed to be a crank, but people are not being brave just because they get ridiculed for what they say.

Is Erich von Daniken 'brave' because people mock him?

Yes but i imagine hes widely shunned in westminster now and persona non grata.

kle4

TheScreamingEagles said:

A defiant Boris Johnson is preparing an extraordinary televised defence of his actions during the Partygate scandal, as his allies this weekend accused the parliamentary inquiry into the affair of relying on weak evidence compiled by a former civil servant recruited by the Labour party.

With a potentially explosive appearance at the Commons privileges committee due on Wednesday, the Observer can reveal that the former PM’s legal team intends to publish written evidence, including new witness statements, supporting Johnson’s claim that he did not knowingly mislead MPs over lockdown parties – as well as examples of the advice he was given at the time.

The document, overseen by his lead counsel David Pannick, is set to be published before Wednesday’s five-hour hearing. It is expected to warn the cross-party committee that it will effectively be ripping up parliamentary precedent should it sanction Johnson, who, the document will say, gave his honest views at the time and corrected the record when he learned of wrongdoing.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/mar/18/boris-johnson-makes-last-ditch-bid-to-discredit-partygate-probe

When in a very weak position sometimes attack is the best defence. And we know Boris is good at bluster. I imagine he will use every opportunity to turn things around to attack the process and the Committee members - as that is what he needs to maximise the Tory vote against any sanctions, should that be recommended. It's what Paterson lacked - any even slightly credible reason to reject the sanction other than 'He's one of us'.

He's building a pretext for his mates to reject any conclusions, whilst pretending they are not outright defending his conduct. To confuse the issue of whether he could really have believed what he was saying (which is indeed very hard to prove).

kle4

Reed said:

kle4 said:

Reed said:

kle4 said:

Speaking of things which are cuckoo, whilst Youtube can do what it likes it may be the first time I've thought Bridgen had a point in having a grievance. For one thing, the speech was probably a laugh riot of idiocy and many people are now denied that through the main platform.

@YouTube have taken down the speech I gave in Parliament today. I am an elected member of the UK Parliament. The speech was given in the Chamber of the House of Commons and responded to by a Government Minister, what chance has anyone else got of putting their views on YouTube?
https://twitter.com/ABridgen/status/1636824545330905117

Whatever else you think of him hes a brave man.

Er, no. Where does the 'brave' come into it? He's a crank, and he should be allowed to be a crank, but people are not being brave just because they get ridiculed for what they say.

Is Erich von Daniken 'brave' because people mock him?

Yes but i imagine hes widely shunned in westminster now and persona non grata.

That's not being brave, it's facing consequences. I imagine he still has some friends in Westminster, they just tell him not to talk politics with them and focus on the local football match/hunt/ballet/whatever they are into.

SeaShantyIrish2

TheScreamingEagles said:

A defiant Boris Johnson is preparing an extraordinary televised defence of his actions during the Partygate scandal, as his allies this weekend accused the parliamentary inquiry into the affair of relying on weak evidence compiled by a former civil servant recruited by the Labour party.

With a potentially explosive appearance at the Commons privileges committee due on Wednesday, the Observer can reveal that the former PM’s legal team intends to publish written evidence, including new witness statements, supporting Johnson’s claim that he did not knowingly mislead MPs over lockdown parties – as well as examples of the advice he was given at the time.

The document, overseen by his lead counsel David Pannick, is set to be published before Wednesday’s five-hour hearing. It is expected to warn the cross-party committee that it will effectively be ripping up parliamentary precedent should it sanction Johnson, who, the document will say, gave his honest views at the time and corrected the record when he learned of wrongdoing.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/mar/18/boris-johnson-makes-last-ditch-bid-to-discredit-partygate-probe

When politicos are reduced to relying upon their LEGAL team, as opposed to their political team, it is NOT a good sign re: their political future.

EDIT - Just sayin'

kle4

Casino_Royale said:

WillG said:

kle4 said:

For the best part of a century, Switzerland’s financial USP was discretion, carefully protected by banking secrecy laws. Or, more bluntly, Swiss banks were where you hid your money, few questions asked. That ended as a result of US fury on discovering how UBS and others had helped US taxpayers evade tax. So the new USP became expertise: put your money in Switzerland not to hide it but because Swiss bankers know how to manage it well.

Shows how behand the times I am. Where do people now go to hide their money? I guess they just invent incrediblty complex and opaque corproate structures to move things about or something.

Even for some enthusiastic capitalists I can see the final paragraph striking a chord. Big global institutions, when they go wrong, seem to go really wrong.

British dependencies.

Makes me proud to be British.

If we can hold on to nothing else but our ability to wash dirty money and loot cultural artifacts, then that is still something.

ydoethur

TheScreamingEagles said:

A defiant Boris Johnson is preparing an extraordinary televised defence of his actions during the Partygate scandal, as his allies this weekend accused the parliamentary inquiry into the affair of relying on weak evidence compiled by a former civil servant recruited by the Labour party.

With a potentially explosive appearance at the Commons privileges committee due on Wednesday, the Observer can reveal that the former PM’s legal team intends to publish written evidence, including new witness statements, supporting Johnson’s claim that he did not knowingly mislead MPs over lockdown parties – as well as examples of the advice he was given at the time.

The document, overseen by his lead counsel David Pannick, is set to be published before Wednesday’s five-hour hearing. It is expected to warn the cross-party committee that it will effectively be ripping up parliamentary precedent should it sanction Johnson, who, the document will say, gave his honest views at the time and corrected the record when he learned of wrongdoing.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/mar/18/boris-johnson-makes-last-ditch-bid-to-discredit-partygate-probe

Genuine LOL.

If he did do that, it would be the first time he ever had.

eek

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

A defiant Boris Johnson is preparing an extraordinary televised defence of his actions during the Partygate scandal, as his allies this weekend accused the parliamentary inquiry into the affair of relying on weak evidence compiled by a former civil servant recruited by the Labour party.

With a potentially explosive appearance at the Commons privileges committee due on Wednesday, the Observer can reveal that the former PM’s legal team intends to publish written evidence, including new witness statements, supporting Johnson’s claim that he did not knowingly mislead MPs over lockdown parties – as well as examples of the advice he was given at the time.

The document, overseen by his lead counsel David Pannick, is set to be published before Wednesday’s five-hour hearing. It is expected to warn the cross-party committee that it will effectively be ripping up parliamentary precedent should it sanction Johnson, who, the document will say, gave his honest views at the time and corrected the record when he learned of wrongdoing.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/mar/18/boris-johnson-makes-last-ditch-bid-to-discredit-partygate-probe

Genuine LOL.

If he did do that, it would be the first time he ever had.

I know I’ve already given 3 different variations of what happened that night but this version is the true one..

kle4

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

A defiant Boris Johnson is preparing an extraordinary televised defence of his actions during the Partygate scandal, as his allies this weekend accused the parliamentary inquiry into the affair of relying on weak evidence compiled by a former civil servant recruited by the Labour party.

With a potentially explosive appearance at the Commons privileges committee due on Wednesday, the Observer can reveal that the former PM’s legal team intends to publish written evidence, including new witness statements, supporting Johnson’s claim that he did not knowingly mislead MPs over lockdown parties – as well as examples of the advice he was given at the time.

The document, overseen by his lead counsel David Pannick, is set to be published before Wednesday’s five-hour hearing. It is expected to warn the cross-party committee that it will effectively be ripping up parliamentary precedent should it sanction Johnson, who, the document will say, gave his honest views at the time and corrected the record when he learned of wrongdoing.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/mar/18/boris-johnson-makes-last-ditch-bid-to-discredit-partygate-probe

Genuine LOL.

If he did do that, it would be the first time he ever had.

It's all very confusing, since half the time his people insist he did no wrong at all, but the other half he's saying he took responsibility for wrongdoing (including by himself).

BlancheLivermore

I've found my favourite Saint

Saint Amand(us)

Patron Saint of wine makers, beer brewers, merchants, innkeepers and bartenders

ydoethur

eek said:

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

A defiant Boris Johnson is preparing an extraordinary televised defence of his actions during the Partygate scandal, as his allies this weekend accused the parliamentary inquiry into the affair of relying on weak evidence compiled by a former civil servant recruited by the Labour party.

With a potentially explosive appearance at the Commons privileges committee due on Wednesday, the Observer can reveal that the former PM’s legal team intends to publish written evidence, including new witness statements, supporting Johnson’s claim that he did not knowingly mislead MPs over lockdown parties – as well as examples of the advice he was given at the time.

The document, overseen by his lead counsel David Pannick, is set to be published before Wednesday’s five-hour hearing. It is expected to warn the cross-party committee that it will effectively be ripping up parliamentary precedent should it sanction Johnson, who, the document will say, gave his honest views at the time and corrected the record when he learned of wrongdoing.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/mar/18/boris-johnson-makes-last-ditch-bid-to-discredit-partygate-probe

Genuine LOL.

If he did do that, it would be the first time he ever had.

I know I’ve already given 3 different variations of what happened that night but this version is the true one..

Cummings has taught him fairly well...

Malmesbury

kle4 said:

Reed said:

kle4 said:

Reed said:

kle4 said:

Speaking of things which are cuckoo, whilst Youtube can do what it likes it may be the first time I've thought Bridgen had a point in having a grievance. For one thing, the speech was probably a laugh riot of idiocy and many people are now denied that through the main platform.

@YouTube have taken down the speech I gave in Parliament today. I am an elected member of the UK Parliament. The speech was given in the Chamber of the House of Commons and responded to by a Government Minister, what chance has anyone else got of putting their views on YouTube?
https://twitter.com/ABridgen/status/1636824545330905117

Whatever else you think of him hes a brave man.

Er, no. Where does the 'brave' come into it? He's a crank, and he should be allowed to be a crank, but people are not being brave just because they get ridiculed for what they say.

Is Erich von Daniken 'brave' because people mock him?

Yes but i imagine hes widely shunned in westminster now and persona non grata.

That's not being brave, it's facing consequences. I imagine he still has some friends in Westminster, they just tell him not to talk politics with them and focus on the local football match/hunt/ballet/whatever they are into.

“But the fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.”

Stuartinromford

ydoethur said:

eek said:

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

A defiant Boris Johnson is preparing an extraordinary televised defence of his actions during the Partygate scandal, as his allies this weekend accused the parliamentary inquiry into the affair of relying on weak evidence compiled by a former civil servant recruited by the Labour party.

With a potentially explosive appearance at the Commons privileges committee due on Wednesday, the Observer can reveal that the former PM’s legal team intends to publish written evidence, including new witness statements, supporting Johnson’s claim that he did not knowingly mislead MPs over lockdown parties – as well as examples of the advice he was given at the time.

The document, overseen by his lead counsel David Pannick, is set to be published before Wednesday’s five-hour hearing. It is expected to warn the cross-party committee that it will effectively be ripping up parliamentary precedent should it sanction Johnson, who, the document will say, gave his honest views at the time and corrected the record when he learned of wrongdoing.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/mar/18/boris-johnson-makes-last-ditch-bid-to-discredit-partygate-probe

Genuine LOL.

If he did do that, it would be the first time he ever had.

I know I’ve already given 3 different variations of what happened that night but this version is the true one..

Cummings has taught him fairly well...

I suspect the master-pupil relationship goes the other way here.

But just imagine Boris is, for once in his life, innocent. And this is the thing that destroys his career and reputation.

Wouldn't that just he so so funny?

Clutch_Brompton

kle4 said:

Speaking of things which are cuckoo, whilst Youtube can do what it likes it may be the first time I've thought Bridgen had a point in having a grievance. For one thing, the speech was probably a laugh riot of idiocy and many people are now denied that through the main platform.

@YouTube have taken down the speech I gave in Parliament today. I am an elected member of the UK Parliament. The speech was given in the Chamber of the House of Commons and responded to by a Government Minister, what chance has anyone else got of putting their views on YouTube?
https://twitter.com/ABridgen/status/1636824545330905117

They can read it in Hansard if they are that bothered. Letting a bunch of grifters make money on it is no bueno.

Reed

Clutch_Brompton said:

kle4 said:

Speaking of things which are cuckoo, whilst Youtube can do what it likes it may be the first time I've thought Bridgen had a point in having a grievance. For one thing, the speech was probably a laugh riot of idiocy and many people are now denied that through the main platform.

@YouTube have taken down the speech I gave in Parliament today. I am an elected member of the UK Parliament. The speech was given in the Chamber of the House of Commons and responded to by a Government Minister, what chance has anyone else got of putting their views on YouTube?
https://twitter.com/ABridgen/status/1636824545330905117

They can read it in Hansard if they are that bothered. Letting a bunch of grifters make money on it is no bueno.

The speech has been reinstated on youtube now.

Tres

kle4 said:

For the best part of a century, Switzerland’s financial USP was discretion, carefully protected by banking secrecy laws. Or, more bluntly, Swiss banks were where you hid your money, few questions asked. That ended as a result of US fury on discovering how UBS and others had helped US taxpayers evade tax. So the new USP became expertise: put your money in Switzerland not to hide it but because Swiss bankers know how to manage it well.

Shows how behand the times I am. Where do people now go to hide their money? I guess they just invent incrediblty complex and opaque corproate structures to move things about or something.

Even for some enthusiastic capitalists I can see the final paragraph striking a chord. Big global institutions, when they go wrong, seem to go really wrong.

Crypto.

Reed

Conspiracy theorists getting ludicrous now. Matt Le Tissier now implying Andrew Mitchell ushered MPs out of the chamber before the Bridgen speech on the orders of Bill Gates.

https://twitter.com/mattletiss7/status/1637173283308052480?s=20

BlancheLivermore

I think I might have been put on this earth to turn pilgrimages into pub crawls

CarlottaVance

TheScreamingEagles said:

A defiant Boris Johnson is preparing an extraordinary televised defence of his actions during the Partygate scandal, as his allies this weekend accused the parliamentary inquiry into the affair of relying on weak evidence compiled by a former civil servant recruited by the Labour party.

With a potentially explosive appearance at the Commons privileges committee due on Wednesday, the Observer can reveal that the former PM’s legal team intends to publish written evidence, including new witness statements, supporting Johnson’s claim that he did not knowingly mislead MPs over lockdown parties – as well as examples of the advice he was given at the time.

The document, overseen by his lead counsel David Pannick, is set to be published before Wednesday’s five-hour hearing. It is expected to warn the cross-party committee that it will effectively be ripping up parliamentary precedent should it sanction Johnson, who, the document will say, gave his honest views at the time and corrected the record when he learned of wrongdoing.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/mar/18/boris-johnson-makes-last-ditch-bid-to-discredit-partygate-probe

When the laws against you pound the facts
When the facts are against you pound the law
When both are against you pound the table.

kle4

CarlottaVance said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

A defiant Boris Johnson is preparing an extraordinary televised defence of his actions during the Partygate scandal, as his allies this weekend accused the parliamentary inquiry into the affair of relying on weak evidence compiled by a former civil servant recruited by the Labour party.

With a potentially explosive appearance at the Commons privileges committee due on Wednesday, the Observer can reveal that the former PM’s legal team intends to publish written evidence, including new witness statements, supporting Johnson’s claim that he did not knowingly mislead MPs over lockdown parties – as well as examples of the advice he was given at the time.

The document, overseen by his lead counsel David Pannick, is set to be published before Wednesday’s five-hour hearing. It is expected to warn the cross-party committee that it will effectively be ripping up parliamentary precedent should it sanction Johnson, who, the document will say, gave his honest views at the time and corrected the record when he learned of wrongdoing.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/mar/18/boris-johnson-makes-last-ditch-bid-to-discredit-partygate-probe

When the laws against you pound the facts
When the facts are against you pound the law
When both are against you pound the table.

Pounding some things is part of what gets him into trouble.

Beers for example.

Malmesbury

Reed said:

Conspiracy theorists getting ludicrous now. Matt Le Tissier now implying Andrew Mitchell ushered MPs out of the chamber before the Bridgen speech on the orders of Bill Gates.

https://twitter.com/mattletiss7/status/1637173283308052480?s=20

I ordered them out. Mind you I was told to do so by the Grand Council that control the Illuminati who control the Zeta Reticulans who control the Lizard Men.

I think this reporting chain needs work to be honest.

TheScreamingEagles

Morning thread headline contains an awesome and subtle pun in the headline. I'm really proud of it.

Malmesbury

BlancheLivermore said:

I think I might have been put on this earth to turn pilgrimages into pub crawls

A mighty task.

As I keep on pointing out to my wife, first thing Jesus did, when he rocked up at the party, was fix the booze problem.

Indicative.

Chris

TheScreamingEagles said:

A defiant Boris Johnson is preparing an extraordinary televised defence of his actions during the Partygate scandal ...

Rumour has it that he will be depicted chasing a group of scantily clad young women down Uxbridge High Street to the strains of 'Yakety Sax'.

BlancheLivermore

I'm quite disappointed that the English idiom is 'drink like a fish'

It should be 'drink like a sink'

Malmesbury

BlancheLivermore said:

I'm quite disappointed that the English idiom is 'drink like a fish'

I should be 'drink like a sink'

I do not have a "drinking problem"

I have absolutely no problem with drinking.

TheScreamingEagles

Malmesbury said:

BlancheLivermore said:

I'm quite disappointed that the English idiom is 'drink like a fish'

I should be 'drink like a sink'

I do not have a "drinking problem"

I have absolutely no problem with drinking.

My friend says he has a drink problem, two hands and just one mouth.

CarlottaVance

Nothing to see here…..

EXC: Senior execs at @Circ_Scotland, the firm in charge of Scotland’s under-fire deposit return scheme, are receiving £670,000 a year in salaries & fees, confidential documents leaked to @TheScotsman show. Its CEO, David Harris, has a salary of £300k. scotsman.com/business/depos…

https://twitter.com/martynmcl/status/1637151843913441280

BlancheLivermore

Malmesbury said:

BlancheLivermore said:

I'm quite disappointed that the English idiom is 'drink like a fish'

I should be 'drink like a sink'

I do not have a "drinking problem"

I have absolutely no problem with drinking.

I only have a problem drinking when I run out

geoffw

Nice to see Cyclefree opining back here, and much to agree with too. Also with the invention of a new punctuation style: the " ?—? " combo. What should it be called? The provisional interrogative perhaps?

Malmesbury

TheScreamingEagles said:

Malmesbury said:

BlancheLivermore said:

I'm quite disappointed that the English idiom is 'drink like a fish'

I should be 'drink like a sink'

I do not have a "drinking problem"

I have absolutely no problem with drinking.

My friend says he has a drink problem, two hands and just one mouth.

One hand for the bottle, one for the glass.

Your friend need training and practise. Lots of practise.

Fairliered

TheScreamingEagles said:

Morning thread headline contains an awesome and subtle pun in the headline. I'm really proud of it.

Did @ydoethur write the thread?

Malmesbury

BlancheLivermore said:

Malmesbury said:

BlancheLivermore said:

I'm quite disappointed that the English idiom is 'drink like a fish'

I should be 'drink like a sink'

I do not have a "drinking problem"

I have absolutely no problem with drinking.

I only have a problem drinking when I run out

Some say the glass is half empty.
Some say the glass is half full.

I say, “Is it my round?”

kle4

Fairliered said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Morning thread headline contains an awesome and subtle pun in the headline. I'm really proud of it.

Did @ydoethur write the thread?

He said subtle pun...

MikeL

LATEST
@OpiniumResearch
/
@ObserverUK
poll

No budget bounce for the Conservatives as Labour’s lead holds at 15 points. (Changes are vs. last week rather than our last published Observer poll)

Con 29% (nc)
Lab 44% (nc)
Lib Dems 8% (nc)
Green 6% (+1)
ReformUK 7% (-1)

https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch

TheScreamingEagles

Fairliered said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Morning thread headline contains an awesome and subtle pun in the headline. I'm really proud of it.

Did @ydoethur write the thread?

He wishes he could come up with a pun so awesome as mine.

TheScreamingEagles

LOL

geoffw

TheScreamingEagles said:

Fairliered said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Morning thread headline contains an awesome and subtle pun in the headline. I'm really proud of it.

Did @ydoethur write the thread?

He wishes he could come up with a pun so awesome as mine.

His grammar is likely to be better nonetheless.

MikeL

Opinium:

Best PM:
Sunak 28
Starmer 26

Best to handle economy:
Sunak & Hunt 29
Starmer & Reeves 27

Malmesbury

TheScreamingEagles said:

Fairliered said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Morning thread headline contains an awesome and subtle pun in the headline. I'm really proud of it.

Did @ydoethur write the thread?

He wishes he could come up with a pun so awesome as mine.

Talk about laying down the gage…

That’s Brian Blessed chucking a plate armour gauntlet on a marble floor….

Razedabode

TheScreamingEagles said:

LOL

Who are the Tories “focus grouping”. Unless they’ve given up and trying to shore up their core vote. Extremely core

MikeL

Opinium:

Budget:
Good 18
Bad 33

But of eight individual budget measures asked about - seven rate as more good than bad (only one seen as more bad is scrapping pension cap).

carnforth

eek said:

If you have an android phone and use Google’s Markdown screenshot editing software find someone else’s

https://twitter.com/ItsSimonTime/status/1636857478263750656

This one is actually quite amateur. Cropping the PNG, but writing it back to the same buffer, but then not changing the length of the buffer, on the theory than it must be smaller if cropped. A premature optimization (reusing the buffer) combined with a lack of testing (not noticing that cropping an image should result in a smaller file size).

geoffw

MikeL said:

Opinium:

Budget:
Good 18
Bad 33

But of eight individual budget measures asked about - seven rate as more good than bad (only one seen as more bad is scrapping pension cap).

So, good in parts…

ydoethur

TheScreamingEagles said:

Fairliered said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Morning thread headline contains an awesome and subtle pun in the headline. I'm really proud of it.

Did @ydoethur write the thread?

He wishes he could come up with a pun so awesome as mine.

My last two puns were so subtle nobody noticed them.

kle4

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Fairliered said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Morning thread headline contains an awesome and subtle pun in the headline. I'm really proud of it.

Did @ydoethur write the thread?

He wishes he could come up with a pun so awesome as mine.

My last two puns were so subtle nobody noticed them.

I figured that was more the way someone might miss an individual tree within a forest.

geoffw

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Fairliered said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Morning thread headline contains an awesome and subtle pun in the headline. I'm really proud of it.

Did @ydoethur write the thread?

He wishes he could come up with a pun so awesome as mine.

My last two puns were so subtle nobody noticed them.

You sometimes have to reach down to us

TheScreamingEagles

.

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Fairliered said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Morning thread headline contains an awesome and subtle pun in the headline. I'm really proud of it.

Did @ydoethur write the thread?

He wishes he could come up with a pun so awesome as mine.

My last two puns were so subtle nobody noticed them.

A bit like my 'I know it's a longshot, but do any PBers know what a trebuchet is?'

The went over the heads of so many.

ydoethur

geoffw said:

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Fairliered said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Morning thread headline contains an awesome and subtle pun in the headline. I'm really proud of it.

Did @ydoethur write the thread?

He wishes he could come up with a pun so awesome as mine.

My last two puns were so subtle nobody noticed them.

You sometimes have to reach down to us

I was quite pleased with the one about moths. I thought that was rather clever.

Stuartinromford

MikeL said:

Opinium:

Budget:
Good 18
Bad 33

But of eight individual budget measures asked about - seven rate as more good than bad (only one seen as more bad is scrapping pension cap).

Sign of a party in trouble. Labour's individual policies were popular in 2019- it was the package and the people that were disliked. Same for the Conservatives in 2005.

ydoethur

TheScreamingEagles said:

.

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Fairliered said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Morning thread headline contains an awesome and subtle pun in the headline. I'm really proud of it.

Did @ydoethur write the thread?

He wishes he could come up with a pun so awesome as mine.

My last two puns were so subtle nobody noticed them.

A bit like my 'I know it's a longshot, but do any PBers know what a trebuchet is?'

The went over the heads of so many.

You should have been cast out for that.

BlancheLivermore

I really want to visit Paimpont Forest

It claims to be where Merlin is buried

My home town makes the same claim

geoffw

ydoethur said:

geoffw said:

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Fairliered said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Morning thread headline contains an awesome and subtle pun in the headline. I'm really proud of it.

Did @ydoethur write the thread?

He wishes he could come up with a pun so awesome as mine.

My last two puns were so subtle nobody noticed them.

You sometimes have to reach down to us

I was quite pleased with the one about moths. I thought that was rather clever.

Didn't see it. Must have been the mother of moth puns.

Malmesbury

TheScreamingEagles said:

.

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Fairliered said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Morning thread headline contains an awesome and subtle pun in the headline. I'm really proud of it.

Did @ydoethur write the thread?

He wishes he could come up with a pun so awesome as mine.

My last two puns were so subtle nobody noticed them.

A bit like my 'I know it's a longshot, but do any PBers know what a trebuchet is?'

The went over the heads of so many.

Hoisted by your own petard.

Reed

This from the telegraph regarding credit suisse.

Thousands of jobs are set to be lost in the City as regulators race to rescue one of the world's biggest banks before markets open on Monday morning.

The government of Switzerland held an extraordinary meeting on Saturday evening to seal a shotgun takeover of troubled Credit Suisse by its Swiss rival UBS amid rising fears of a new international financial crisis.

Any deal is expected to result in thousands of job losses in London, where the two banks employ around 10,000 people between them at large offices in the City and Canary Wharf.

Malmesbury

Stuartinromford said:

MikeL said:

Opinium:

Budget:
Good 18
Bad 33

But of eight individual budget measures asked about - seven rate as more good than bad (only one seen as more bad is scrapping pension cap).

Sign of a party in trouble. Labour's individual policies were popular in 2019- it was the package and the people that were disliked. Same for the Conservatives in 2005.

Exactly this. Also 1997.

TheScreamingEagles

Malmesbury said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Fairliered said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Morning thread headline contains an awesome and subtle pun in the headline. I'm really proud of it.

Did @ydoethur write the thread?

He wishes he could come up with a pun so awesome as mine.

Talk about laying down the gage…

That’s Brian Blessed chucking a plate armour gauntlet on a marble floor….

It's up there with my 'transitory blip' pun on Sturgeon's problems with the Gender Recognition Reform bill.

Sunil_Prasannan

MikeL said:

LATEST
@OpiniumResearch
/
@ObserverUK
poll

No budget bounce for the Conservatives as Labour’s lead holds at 15 points. (Changes are vs. last week rather than our last published Observer poll)

Con 29% (nc)
Lab 44% (nc)
Lib Dems 8% (nc)
Green 6% (+1)
ReformUK 7% (-1)

https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch

Broken, sleazy Reform on the slide!

Malmesbury

ydoethur said:

geoffw said:

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Fairliered said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Morning thread headline contains an awesome and subtle pun in the headline. I'm really proud of it.

Did @ydoethur write the thread?

He wishes he could come up with a pun so awesome as mine.

My last two puns were so subtle nobody noticed them.

You sometimes have to reach down to us

I was quite pleased with the one about moths. I thought that was rather clever.

We can’t hold a candle to you

ydoethur

TheScreamingEagles said:

Malmesbury said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Fairliered said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Morning thread headline contains an awesome and subtle pun in the headline. I'm really proud of it.

Did @ydoethur write the thread?

He wishes he could come up with a pun so awesome as mine.

Talk about laying down the gage…

That’s Brian Blessed chucking a plate armour gauntlet on a marble floor….

It's up there with my 'transitory blip' pun on Sturgeon's problems with the Gender Recognition Reform bill.

I thought you said it was awesome and subtle?

TheScreamingEagles

Razedabode said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

LOL

Who are the Tories “focus grouping”. Unless they’ve given up and trying to shore up their core vote. Extremely core

Their ultra right wing flank who if they stay at home or vote Reform in 2024 means the Tories get absolutely gubbed at the next election.

TheScreamingEagles

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Malmesbury said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Fairliered said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Morning thread headline contains an awesome and subtle pun in the headline. I'm really proud of it.

Did @ydoethur write the thread?

He wishes he could come up with a pun so awesome as mine.

Talk about laying down the gage…

That’s Brian Blessed chucking a plate armour gauntlet on a marble floor….

It's up there with my 'transitory blip' pun on Sturgeon's problems with the Gender Recognition Reform bill.

I thought you said it was awesome and subtle?

It is.

geoffw

Reed said:

This from the telegraph regarding credit suisse.

Thousands of jobs are set to be lost in the City as regulators race to rescue one of the world's biggest banks before markets open on Monday morning.

The government of Switzerland held an extraordinary meeting on Saturday evening to seal a shotgun takeover of troubled Credit Suisse by its Swiss rival UBS amid rising fears of a new international financial crisis.

Any deal is expected to result in thousands of job losses in London, where the two banks employ around 10,000 people between them at large offices in the City and Canary Wharf.

Must be even worse at the more significant financial centres in Europe - Paris and Frankfurt.
… oh, wait …

Stuartinromford

Razedabode said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

LOL

Who are the Tories “focus grouping”. Unless they’ve given up and trying to shore up their core vote. Extremely core

Intrigued by the 23% who think the Braverman plan will make the boat situation worse. I'm not sure they're wrong, but I'm intrigued at the logic.

Foxy

Stuartinromford said:

Razedabode said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

LOL

Who are the Tories “focus grouping”. Unless they’ve given up and trying to shore up their core vote. Extremely core

Intrigued by the 23% who think the Braverman plan will make the boat situation worse. I'm not sure they're wrong, but I'm intrigued at the logic.

I suppose the permanent detention of tens of thousands in hotels, without hearing cases or allowing them to work might be a recipie for trouble.

Casino_Royale

TheScreamingEagles said:

.

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Fairliered said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Morning thread headline contains an awesome and subtle pun in the headline. I'm really proud of it.

Did @ydoethur write the thread?

He wishes he could come up with a pun so awesome as mine.

My last two puns were so subtle nobody noticed them.

A bit like my 'I know it's a longshot, but do any PBers know what a trebuchet is?'

The went over the heads of so many.

You came within a stone's throw of landing it though.

Malmesbury

geoffw said:

Reed said:

This from the telegraph regarding credit suisse.

Thousands of jobs are set to be lost in the City as regulators race to rescue one of the world's biggest banks before markets open on Monday morning.

The government of Switzerland held an extraordinary meeting on Saturday evening to seal a shotgun takeover of troubled Credit Suisse by its Swiss rival UBS amid rising fears of a new international financial crisis.

Any deal is expected to result in thousands of job losses in London, where the two banks employ around 10,000 people between them at large offices in the City and Canary Wharf.

Must be even worse at the more significant financial centres in Europe - Paris and Frankfurt.
… oh, wait …

The job losses will be in middle management and traders.

They will be generating decades of work for integrating systems. Nomura still has things labelled Lehman on the network.

MikeL

Stuartinromford said:

MikeL said:

Opinium:

Budget:
Good 18
Bad 33

But of eight individual budget measures asked about - seven rate as more good than bad (only one seen as more bad is scrapping pension cap).

Sign of a party in trouble. Labour's individual policies were popular in 2019- it was the package and the people that were disliked. Same for the Conservatives in 2005.

Yes, on the face of it I would agree.

However paradox is that in the same poll Sunak beats Starmer and Sunak/Hunt beat Starmer/Reeves.

So a conflicting message, at least to some extent.

TheScreamingEagles

geoffw said:

Reed said:

This from the telegraph regarding credit suisse.

Thousands of jobs are set to be lost in the City as regulators race to rescue one of the world's biggest banks before markets open on Monday morning.

The government of Switzerland held an extraordinary meeting on Saturday evening to seal a shotgun takeover of troubled Credit Suisse by its Swiss rival UBS amid rising fears of a new international financial crisis.

Any deal is expected to result in thousands of job losses in London, where the two banks employ around 10,000 people between them at large offices in the City and Canary Wharf.

Must be even worse at the more significant financial centres in Europe - Paris and Frankfurt.
… oh, wait …

Tell me you know nothing about banking and financial services without telling me you know nothing banking and financial services.

Carnyx

kle4 said:

Casino_Royale said:

WillG said:

kle4 said:

For the best part of a century, Switzerland’s financial USP was discretion, carefully protected by banking secrecy laws. Or, more bluntly, Swiss banks were where you hid your money, few questions asked. That ended as a result of US fury on discovering how UBS and others had helped US taxpayers evade tax. So the new USP became expertise: put your money in Switzerland not to hide it but because Swiss bankers know how to manage it well.

Shows how behand the times I am. Where do people now go to hide their money? I guess they just invent incrediblty complex and opaque corproate structures to move things about or something.

Even for some enthusiastic capitalists I can see the final paragraph striking a chord. Big global institutions, when they go wrong, seem to go really wrong.

British dependencies.

Makes me proud to be British.

If we can hold on to nothing else but our ability to wash dirty money and loot cultural artifacts, then that is still something.

And preserve slavers' statues from having baths, too. Edit: as opposed to dodgy money.

Malmesbury

MikeL said:

Stuartinromford said:

MikeL said:

Opinium:

Budget:
Good 18
Bad 33

But of eight individual budget measures asked about - seven rate as more good than bad (only one seen as more bad is scrapping pension cap).

Sign of a party in trouble. Labour's individual policies were popular in 2019- it was the package and the people that were disliked. Same for the Conservatives in 2005.

Yes, on the face of it I would agree.

However paradox is that in the same poll Sunak beats Starmer and Sunak/Hunt beat Starmer/Reeves.

So a conflicting message, at least to some extent.

Without parties, Sunak beats Starmer.

The public has turned against the Conservative Party.

TheScreamingEagles

MikeL said:

Stuartinromford said:

MikeL said:

Opinium:

Budget:
Good 18
Bad 33

But of eight individual budget measures asked about - seven rate as more good than bad (only one seen as more bad is scrapping pension cap).

Sign of a party in trouble. Labour's individual policies were popular in 2019- it was the package and the people that were disliked. Same for the Conservatives in 2005.

Yes, on the face of it I would agree.

However paradox is that in the same poll Sunak beats Starmer and Sunak/Hunt beat Starmer/Reeves.

So a conflicting message, at least to some extent.

Nah, there's always a incumbency bias in best PM questions and even in 1997 Major & Clarke were preferred to run the economy over Blair & Brown for all the good it did them.

kle4

Carnyx said:

kle4 said:

Casino_Royale said:

WillG said:

kle4 said:

For the best part of a century, Switzerland’s financial USP was discretion, carefully protected by banking secrecy laws. Or, more bluntly, Swiss banks were where you hid your money, few questions asked. That ended as a result of US fury on discovering how UBS and others had helped US taxpayers evade tax. So the new USP became expertise: put your money in Switzerland not to hide it but because Swiss bankers know how to manage it well.

Shows how behand the times I am. Where do people now go to hide their money? I guess they just invent incrediblty complex and opaque corproate structures to move things about or something.

Even for some enthusiastic capitalists I can see the final paragraph striking a chord. Big global institutions, when they go wrong, seem to go really wrong.

British dependencies.

Makes me proud to be British.

If we can hold on to nothing else but our ability to wash dirty money and loot cultural artifacts, then that is still something.

And preserve slavers' statues from having baths, too.

The important stuff, exactly.

Carnyx

kle4 said:

Carnyx said:

kle4 said:

Casino_Royale said:

WillG said:

kle4 said:

For the best part of a century, Switzerland’s financial USP was discretion, carefully protected by banking secrecy laws. Or, more bluntly, Swiss banks were where you hid your money, few questions asked. That ended as a result of US fury on discovering how UBS and others had helped US taxpayers evade tax. So the new USP became expertise: put your money in Switzerland not to hide it but because Swiss bankers know how to manage it well.

Shows how behand the times I am. Where do people now go to hide their money? I guess they just invent incrediblty complex and opaque corproate structures to move things about or something.

Even for some enthusiastic capitalists I can see the final paragraph striking a chord. Big global institutions, when they go wrong, seem to go really wrong.

British dependencies.

Makes me proud to be British.

If we can hold on to nothing else but our ability to wash dirty money and loot cultural artifacts, then that is still something.

And preserve slavers' statues from having baths, too.

The important stuff, exactly.

Oh yes, and dogs' names in histories of RAF heroism of the most self-sacrificial kind (somehow the most important bit of all, though I can't see why).

ydoethur

Carnyx said:

kle4 said:

Casino_Royale said:

WillG said:

kle4 said:

For the best part of a century, Switzerland’s financial USP was discretion, carefully protected by banking secrecy laws. Or, more bluntly, Swiss banks were where you hid your money, few questions asked. That ended as a result of US fury on discovering how UBS and others had helped US taxpayers evade tax. So the new USP became expertise: put your money in Switzerland not to hide it but because Swiss bankers know how to manage it well.

Shows how behand the times I am. Where do people now go to hide their money? I guess they just invent incrediblty complex and opaque corproate structures to move things about or something.

Even for some enthusiastic capitalists I can see the final paragraph striking a chord. Big global institutions, when they go wrong, seem to go really wrong.

British dependencies.

Makes me proud to be British.

If we can hold on to nothing else but our ability to wash dirty money and loot cultural artifacts, then that is still something.

And preserve slavers' statues from having baths, too. Edit: as opposed to dodgy money.

Perhaps we could combine the two? Protect statues of George Washington for cash?

Carnyx

ydoethur said:

Carnyx said:

kle4 said:

Casino_Royale said:

WillG said:

kle4 said:

For the best part of a century, Switzerland’s financial USP was discretion, carefully protected by banking secrecy laws. Or, more bluntly, Swiss banks were where you hid your money, few questions asked. That ended as a result of US fury on discovering how UBS and others had helped US taxpayers evade tax. So the new USP became expertise: put your money in Switzerland not to hide it but because Swiss bankers know how to manage it well.

Shows how behand the times I am. Where do people now go to hide their money? I guess they just invent incrediblty complex and opaque corproate structures to move things about or something.

Even for some enthusiastic capitalists I can see the final paragraph striking a chord. Big global institutions, when they go wrong, seem to go really wrong.

British dependencies.

Makes me proud to be British.

If we can hold on to nothing else but our ability to wash dirty money and loot cultural artifacts, then that is still something.

And preserve slavers' statues from having baths, too. Edit: as opposed to dodgy money.

Perhaps we could combine the two? Protect statues of George Washington for cash?

Not aware that Mr Washington was a slaver, as opposed to Mr Jefferson?

ydoethur

Carnyx said:

kle4 said:

Carnyx said:

kle4 said:

Casino_Royale said:

WillG said:

kle4 said:

For the best part of a century, Switzerland’s financial USP was discretion, carefully protected by banking secrecy laws. Or, more bluntly, Swiss banks were where you hid your money, few questions asked. That ended as a result of US fury on discovering how UBS and others had helped US taxpayers evade tax. So the new USP became expertise: put your money in Switzerland not to hide it but because Swiss bankers know how to manage it well.

Shows how behand the times I am. Where do people now go to hide their money? I guess they just invent incrediblty complex and opaque corproate structures to move things about or something.

Even for some enthusiastic capitalists I can see the final paragraph striking a chord. Big global institutions, when they go wrong, seem to go really wrong.

British dependencies.

Makes me proud to be British.

If we can hold on to nothing else but our ability to wash dirty money and loot cultural artifacts, then that is still something.

And preserve slavers' statues from having baths, too.

The important stuff, exactly.

Oh yes, and dogs' names in histories of RAF heroism of the most self-sacrificial kind (somehow the most important bit of all, though I can't see why).

Does that include Guy Gibson's dog?

Sean_F

TheScreamingEagles said:

There is also speculation this weekend that Johnson may be using his resignation honours list to reward those who have helped him through the inquiry – an allegation his team rejects as “completely untrue”. The Observer has been told that several figures who have featured in the inquiry also appeared in the draft version of Johnson’s honours list.

Well, he wants to give his father a knighthood for his championing of women’s’ rights.

ydoethur

Carnyx said:

ydoethur said:

Carnyx said:

kle4 said:

Casino_Royale said:

WillG said:

kle4 said:

For the best part of a century, Switzerland’s financial USP was discretion, carefully protected by banking secrecy laws. Or, more bluntly, Swiss banks were where you hid your money, few questions asked. That ended as a result of US fury on discovering how UBS and others had helped US taxpayers evade tax. So the new USP became expertise: put your money in Switzerland not to hide it but because Swiss bankers know how to manage it well.

Shows how behand the times I am. Where do people now go to hide their money? I guess they just invent incrediblty complex and opaque corproate structures to move things about or something.

Even for some enthusiastic capitalists I can see the final paragraph striking a chord. Big global institutions, when they go wrong, seem to go really wrong.

British dependencies.

Makes me proud to be British.

If we can hold on to nothing else but our ability to wash dirty money and loot cultural artifacts, then that is still something.

And preserve slavers' statues from having baths, too. Edit: as opposed to dodgy money.

Perhaps we could combine the two? Protect statues of George Washington for cash?

Not aware that Mr Washington was a slaver, as opposed to Mr Jefferson?

Slave owner, anyway.

tlg86

Thanks @Cyclefree - very interesting read.

Pro_Rata

Off topic (which I will read), but continuing to buzz in my bonnet

MEN voodoo poll, but a 📌 this big should stick. Should Transpennine Express be stripped of their franchise?:

Yes - 92%
No - 6%

ydoethur

Pro_Rata said:

Off topic (which I will read), but continuing to buzz in my bonnet

MEN voodoo poll, but a 📌 this big should stick. Should Transpennine Express be stripped of their franchise?:

Yes - 92%
No - 6%

Who are the 6%?!

Edit - reminds me of the time the TES ran a voodoo poll on how much confidence teachers had in the DfE. In over 3000 responses, not a single one had complete confidence in the DfE. Only a handful (about 30) had even some confidence in it.

Carnyx

tlg86 said:

Thanks @Cyclefree - very interesting read.

Hear hear.

Casino_Royale

TheScreamingEagles said:

geoffw said:

Reed said:

This from the telegraph regarding credit suisse.

Thousands of jobs are set to be lost in the City as regulators race to rescue one of the world's biggest banks before markets open on Monday morning.

The government of Switzerland held an extraordinary meeting on Saturday evening to seal a shotgun takeover of troubled Credit Suisse by its Swiss rival UBS amid rising fears of a new international financial crisis.

Any deal is expected to result in thousands of job losses in London, where the two banks employ around 10,000 people between them at large offices in the City and Canary Wharf.

Must be even worse at the more significant financial centres in Europe - Paris and Frankfurt.
… oh, wait …

Tell me you know nothing about banking and financial services without telling me you know nothing banking and financial services.

Tell you what.. Tell you what.. it's nine-and-a-half thousand pouunds..

Let's all sing it.