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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,411
    edited February 2023
    DJ41a said:

    HYUFD said:

    What’s wrong with living in Basildon?
    Not that I’ve ever been.

    Anyway, looking at a map, HYUFD seems nearer to Harlow.

    It's in Essex, the armpit of the UK.
    Rural Essex has some of the most beautiful bits of the UK. As you should also know being an Oliver Cromwell fan, his son Richard went to school in Essex too, Felsted
    Saffron Walden is nice.

    And Canvey Island gave the world its finest musical group. Lee Brilleaux's stage presence could easily knock any King's Singer from f***ing Cambridge into a cocked hat.
    Lots of Medieval and Tudor buildings in Saffron Walden and stately home Audley End not far either (though it is closer to Cambridgeshire than London and south Essex)
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,027
    Balloon down!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,182
    DJ41a said:

    HYUFD said:

    What’s wrong with living in Basildon?
    Not that I’ve ever been.

    Anyway, looking at a map, HYUFD seems nearer to Harlow.

    It's in Essex, the armpit of the UK.
    Rural Essex has some of the most beautiful bits of the UK. As you should also know being an Oliver Cromwell fan, his son Richard went to school in Essex too, Felsted
    Saffron Walden is nice too.

    And Canvey Island gave the world its finest musical group. Lee Brilleaux's stage presence could easily knock any King's Singer from f***ing Cambridge into a cocked hat.
    Radiohead are from Canvey Island? I did not know that...
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,381
    Where are the other 98 red balloons?
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:
    Hmmm.

    Who to believe?

    Seemingly dozens of civil servants, including several perm secs, or Raab - a man who has achieved nothing in public life, Guido - a professional shit-stirrer, and HYUFD - a digital masturbation device from Basildon?
    I live in rural Essex, not Basildon
    Apologies.

    A digital masturbation device from Epping.
    I don't live in Epping either now
    I guess that makes me PB's only genuine connection to Epping then, thanks to my membership of Epping Ongar Railway :)
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,282
    edited February 2023

    Balloon down!

    HYUFD has stopped posting?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,282
    ydoethur said:

    DJ41a said:

    HYUFD said:

    What’s wrong with living in Basildon?
    Not that I’ve ever been.

    Anyway, looking at a map, HYUFD seems nearer to Harlow.

    It's in Essex, the armpit of the UK.
    Rural Essex has some of the most beautiful bits of the UK. As you should also know being an Oliver Cromwell fan, his son Richard went to school in Essex too, Felsted
    Saffron Walden is nice too.

    And Canvey Island gave the world its finest musical group. Lee Brilleaux's stage presence could easily knock any King's Singer from f***ing Cambridge into a cocked hat.
    Radiohead are from Canvey Island? I did not know that...
    He meant Chas n’ Dave.

    Russian trolls are taught about them in St Peterburg.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,261
    edited February 2023

    The Bank of England and Treasury will next week throw their weight behind a "digital pound" as they set out a roadmap to introduce a new central bank currency by 2030.

    Andrew Bailey and Jeremy Hunt are expected to say it is "likely" that a new form of money will be needed as cash use continues to decline in an increasingly digital economy.

    It is understood that any new state-backed digital currency – which has been dubbed “Britcoin” in the press - would sit alongside cash. However, the plans are likely to fuel fears that physical currency could one day be phased out altogether.

    The decision by Mr Hunt and Mr Bailey to throw their weight behind the project comes almost two years after Prime Minister Rishi Sunak set up a taskforce as Chancellor to explore whether to create a so-called central bank digital currency (CBDC).

    "On the basis of our work to date, the Bank of England and HM Treasury judge that it is likely a digital pound will be needed in the future," the Bank of England Governor and current Chancellor say in extracts of a consultation paper seen by The Telegraph.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/02/04/digital-pound-possible-2030-bid-combat-falling-use-cash/

    Sounds like the latest internationalist WEF bollocks, utter waste of money and effort, irrelevant to the needs of the UK, both men should try reaching average at their day job before engaging in extra curricular activities.
  • DJ41aDJ41a Posts: 174
    edited February 2023
    The photos of that Chinese balloon look very lunar, as did Rover from the Prisoner series. Lunar and as if someone is doing something to the moon, given the long line of solar panels underneath. The full moon is tomorrow.

    First Liz Truss's twisty pillar. Now this.

    How will this be read in various cultures?

    "The exploitation of superstitions for purposes of psychological warfare".

    If (Spartan) reports of a second balloon are true, this is not an accident.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,261

    Where are the other 98 red balloons?

    As a talking head mentioned, Trump would have shot it down immediately, and probably ensured that he was filmed pulling the trigger. A gesture which would probably have bought him years of idleness against the threat of 'Chayna'.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,897
    Carnyx said:

    Mm, some happy rugger buggers tonight.

    TBF I would have been happier if Eddie Jones was still in charge at England, but I can't complain...
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,728

    The Bank of England and Treasury will next week throw their weight behind a "digital pound" as they set out a roadmap to introduce a new central bank currency by 2030.

    Andrew Bailey and Jeremy Hunt are expected to say it is "likely" that a new form of money will be needed as cash use continues to decline in an increasingly digital economy.

    It is understood that any new state-backed digital currency – which has been dubbed “Britcoin” in the press - would sit alongside cash. However, the plans are likely to fuel fears that physical currency could one day be phased out altogether.

    The decision by Mr Hunt and Mr Bailey to throw their weight behind the project comes almost two years after Prime Minister Rishi Sunak set up a taskforce as Chancellor to explore whether to create a so-called central bank digital currency (CBDC).

    "On the basis of our work to date, the Bank of England and HM Treasury judge that it is likely a digital pound will be needed in the future," the Bank of England Governor and current Chancellor say in extracts of a consultation paper seen by The Telegraph.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/02/04/digital-pound-possible-2030-bid-combat-falling-use-cash/

    What problem is this designed to solve?
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705

    Where are the other 98 red balloons?

    As a talking head mentioned, Trump would have shot it down immediately, and probably ensured that he was filmed pulling the trigger. A gesture which would probably have bought him years of idleness against the threat of 'Chayna'.
    Trump would have thought it was filled with COVID.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705

    The Bank of England and Treasury will next week throw their weight behind a "digital pound" as they set out a roadmap to introduce a new central bank currency by 2030.

    Andrew Bailey and Jeremy Hunt are expected to say it is "likely" that a new form of money will be needed as cash use continues to decline in an increasingly digital economy.

    It is understood that any new state-backed digital currency – which has been dubbed “Britcoin” in the press - would sit alongside cash. However, the plans are likely to fuel fears that physical currency could one day be phased out altogether.

    The decision by Mr Hunt and Mr Bailey to throw their weight behind the project comes almost two years after Prime Minister Rishi Sunak set up a taskforce as Chancellor to explore whether to create a so-called central bank digital currency (CBDC).

    "On the basis of our work to date, the Bank of England and HM Treasury judge that it is likely a digital pound will be needed in the future," the Bank of England Governor and current Chancellor say in extracts of a consultation paper seen by The Telegraph.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/02/04/digital-pound-possible-2030-bid-combat-falling-use-cash/

    What problem is this designed to solve?
    To get everyone who isn't using the existing digital versions of currency to use a NEW digital version of currency. It makes absolute sense if you...no actually it doesn't.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,282
    edited February 2023
    Not a lot of people have heard of German writer, Uwe Johnson, who bizarrely decided to settle in Sheerness, Essex in 1974, where he stayed until his death in 1984.

    His masterwork, Jahrestage, is a tetralogy about the life of a single mother who lives on the Upper West Side of New York, from where I am currently writing.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,366
    edited February 2023

    The Bank of England and Treasury will next week throw their weight behind a "digital pound" as they set out a roadmap to introduce a new central bank currency by 2030.

    Andrew Bailey and Jeremy Hunt are expected to say it is "likely" that a new form of money will be needed as cash use continues to decline in an increasingly digital economy.

    It is understood that any new state-backed digital currency – which has been dubbed “Britcoin” in the press - would sit alongside cash. However, the plans are likely to fuel fears that physical currency could one day be phased out altogether.

    The decision by Mr Hunt and Mr Bailey to throw their weight behind the project comes almost two years after Prime Minister Rishi Sunak set up a taskforce as Chancellor to explore whether to create a so-called central bank digital currency (CBDC).

    "On the basis of our work to date, the Bank of England and HM Treasury judge that it is likely a digital pound will be needed in the future," the Bank of England Governor and current Chancellor say in extracts of a consultation paper seen by The Telegraph.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/02/04/digital-pound-possible-2030-bid-combat-falling-use-cash/

    What problem is this designed to solve?
    Cash is a problem that needs to be phased out.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,897
    @TelePolitics: 🔵 Dominic Raab should resign or be sacked from the Government amid claims he failed to respect his civil servants,… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1621963313893474306
  • Balloon down!

    The script now requires a Chinese submarine to break surface and tow the payload out to international waters.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    edited February 2023

    The Bank of England and Treasury will next week throw their weight behind a "digital pound" as they set out a roadmap to introduce a new central bank currency by 2030.

    Andrew Bailey and Jeremy Hunt are expected to say it is "likely" that a new form of money will be needed as cash use continues to decline in an increasingly digital economy.

    It is understood that any new state-backed digital currency – which has been dubbed “Britcoin” in the press - would sit alongside cash. However, the plans are likely to fuel fears that physical currency could one day be phased out altogether.

    The decision by Mr Hunt and Mr Bailey to throw their weight behind the project comes almost two years after Prime Minister Rishi Sunak set up a taskforce as Chancellor to explore whether to create a so-called central bank digital currency (CBDC).

    "On the basis of our work to date, the Bank of England and HM Treasury judge that it is likely a digital pound will be needed in the future," the Bank of England Governor and current Chancellor say in extracts of a consultation paper seen by The Telegraph.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/02/04/digital-pound-possible-2030-bid-combat-falling-use-cash/

    What problem is this designed to solve?
    Cash is a problem that needs to phased out.
    Cash use is declining in an increasingly digital economy so let's introduce a new digital currency to phase out cash? That makes no sense.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,261

    The Bank of England and Treasury will next week throw their weight behind a "digital pound" as they set out a roadmap to introduce a new central bank currency by 2030.

    Andrew Bailey and Jeremy Hunt are expected to say it is "likely" that a new form of money will be needed as cash use continues to decline in an increasingly digital economy.

    It is understood that any new state-backed digital currency – which has been dubbed “Britcoin” in the press - would sit alongside cash. However, the plans are likely to fuel fears that physical currency could one day be phased out altogether.

    The decision by Mr Hunt and Mr Bailey to throw their weight behind the project comes almost two years after Prime Minister Rishi Sunak set up a taskforce as Chancellor to explore whether to create a so-called central bank digital currency (CBDC).

    "On the basis of our work to date, the Bank of England and HM Treasury judge that it is likely a digital pound will be needed in the future," the Bank of England Governor and current Chancellor say in extracts of a consultation paper seen by The Telegraph.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/02/04/digital-pound-possible-2030-bid-combat-falling-use-cash/

    What problem is this designed to solve?
    The problem of consumers using a form of exchange that cannot be monitored to the nth degree?
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,728

    The Bank of England and Treasury will next week throw their weight behind a "digital pound" as they set out a roadmap to introduce a new central bank currency by 2030.

    Andrew Bailey and Jeremy Hunt are expected to say it is "likely" that a new form of money will be needed as cash use continues to decline in an increasingly digital economy.

    It is understood that any new state-backed digital currency – which has been dubbed “Britcoin” in the press - would sit alongside cash. However, the plans are likely to fuel fears that physical currency could one day be phased out altogether.

    The decision by Mr Hunt and Mr Bailey to throw their weight behind the project comes almost two years after Prime Minister Rishi Sunak set up a taskforce as Chancellor to explore whether to create a so-called central bank digital currency (CBDC).

    "On the basis of our work to date, the Bank of England and HM Treasury judge that it is likely a digital pound will be needed in the future," the Bank of England Governor and current Chancellor say in extracts of a consultation paper seen by The Telegraph.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/02/04/digital-pound-possible-2030-bid-combat-falling-use-cash/

    What problem is this designed to solve?
    Cash is a problem that needs to be phased out.
    Why?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,187

    What’s wrong with living in Basildon?
    Not that I’ve ever been.

    Anyway, looking at a map, HYUFD seems nearer to Harlow.

    It's in Essex, the armpit of the UK.
    Essex is great. Constable painted it.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,182
    edited February 2023

    ydoethur said:

    DJ41a said:

    HYUFD said:

    What’s wrong with living in Basildon?
    Not that I’ve ever been.

    Anyway, looking at a map, HYUFD seems nearer to Harlow.

    It's in Essex, the armpit of the UK.
    Rural Essex has some of the most beautiful bits of the UK. As you should also know being an Oliver Cromwell fan, his son Richard went to school in Essex too, Felsted
    Saffron Walden is nice too.

    And Canvey Island gave the world its finest musical group. Lee Brilleaux's stage presence could easily knock any King's Singer from f***ing Cambridge into a cocked hat.
    Radiohead are from Canvey Island? I did not know that...
    He meant Chas n’ Dave.

    Russian trolls are taught about them in St Peterburg.
    Well, yer can't 'ave everything, can yer?
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,720

    The Bank of England and Treasury will next week throw their weight behind a "digital pound" as they set out a roadmap to introduce a new central bank currency by 2030.

    Andrew Bailey and Jeremy Hunt are expected to say it is "likely" that a new form of money will be needed as cash use continues to decline in an increasingly digital economy.

    It is understood that any new state-backed digital currency – which has been dubbed “Britcoin” in the press - would sit alongside cash. However, the plans are likely to fuel fears that physical currency could one day be phased out altogether.

    The decision by Mr Hunt and Mr Bailey to throw their weight behind the project comes almost two years after Prime Minister Rishi Sunak set up a taskforce as Chancellor to explore whether to create a so-called central bank digital currency (CBDC).

    "On the basis of our work to date, the Bank of England and HM Treasury judge that it is likely a digital pound will be needed in the future," the Bank of England Governor and current Chancellor say in extracts of a consultation paper seen by The Telegraph.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/02/04/digital-pound-possible-2030-bid-combat-falling-use-cash/

    "Britcoin"

    For f*cking f*cks f*cking sake.

  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,360
    Despite months trying to justify their 19% pay demand, leaders of the nurses strike have now told the Tory government at Westminster they will settle on 7% back dated to last April, and a small non consolidated one off payment of 1.5%.

    Having already offered 4% of it, Sunak’s government will love that, it’s totally acceptable compromise. I think we can call that strike over now?

    The best aspect for the government is dividing and ruling if other unions, such as unite, hold out for more and battle on alone, after nurses have settled the historic walk out for just this smallish settlement? And settling with the nurses this coming week is bound to give Tories a much needed popularity boost?

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/04/nurses-offer-to-call-off-strikes-if-sunak-matches-welsh-pay-offer
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,182
    Sean_F said:

    What’s wrong with living in Basildon?
    Not that I’ve ever been.

    Anyway, looking at a map, HYUFD seems nearer to Harlow.

    It's in Essex, the armpit of the UK.
    Essex is great. Constable painted it.
    Really? What colour?
  • Despite months trying to justify their 19% pay demand, leaders of the nurses strike have now told the Tory government at Westminster they will settle on 7% back dated to last April, and a small non consolidated one off payment of 1.5%.

    Having already offered 4% of it, Sunak’s government will love that, it’s totally acceptable compromise. I think we can call that strike over now?

    The best aspect for the government is dividing and ruling if other unions, such as unite, hold out for more and battle on alone, after nurses have settled the historic walk out for just this smallish settlement? And settling with the nurses this coming week is bound to give Tories a much needed popularity boost?

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/04/nurses-offer-to-call-off-strikes-if-sunak-matches-welsh-pay-offer

    Rishi Sunak has dodged saying whether he is a billionaire in an awkward clash with Piers Morgan. The PM was challenged on being 'stinking rich' during a Talk TV interview to mark 100 days since he took charge in No10. After a painful pause, Mr Sunak - renowned as one of the richest MPs - conceded he is 'financially fortunate'.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/awkward-moment-rishi-sunak-is-asked-if-he-is-stinking-rich-during-piers-morgan-interview/ar-AA174aiS
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,282
    The balloon is quite exciting.
    It’s definitely Cold War II, isn’t it?
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,155
    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    What’s wrong with living in Basildon?
    Not that I’ve ever been.

    Anyway, looking at a map, HYUFD seems nearer to Harlow.

    It's in Essex, the armpit of the UK.
    Essex is great. Constable painted it.
    Really? What colour?
    Blue of course like all the great counties.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,680
    felix said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    What’s wrong with living in Basildon?
    Not that I’ve ever been.

    Anyway, looking at a map, HYUFD seems nearer to Harlow.

    It's in Essex, the armpit of the UK.
    Essex is great. Constable painted it.
    Really? What colour?
    Blue of course like all the great counties.
    Whereas the towns get painted red on the weekends.

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,182

    The Bank of England and Treasury will next week throw their weight behind a "digital pound" as they set out a roadmap to introduce a new central bank currency by 2030.

    Andrew Bailey and Jeremy Hunt are expected to say it is "likely" that a new form of money will be needed as cash use continues to decline in an increasingly digital economy.

    It is understood that any new state-backed digital currency – which has been dubbed “Britcoin” in the press - would sit alongside cash. However, the plans are likely to fuel fears that physical currency could one day be phased out altogether.

    The decision by Mr Hunt and Mr Bailey to throw their weight behind the project comes almost two years after Prime Minister Rishi Sunak set up a taskforce as Chancellor to explore whether to create a so-called central bank digital currency (CBDC).

    "On the basis of our work to date, the Bank of England and HM Treasury judge that it is likely a digital pound will be needed in the future," the Bank of England Governor and current Chancellor say in extracts of a consultation paper seen by The Telegraph.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/02/04/digital-pound-possible-2030-bid-combat-falling-use-cash/

    Stumped as to what all these analogue pounds are that I'm spending when I'm swiping my debit and credit cards.
    Just make a note of it and the answer will turn up later.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,870
    ydoethur said:

    The Bank of England and Treasury will next week throw their weight behind a "digital pound" as they set out a roadmap to introduce a new central bank currency by 2030.

    Andrew Bailey and Jeremy Hunt are expected to say it is "likely" that a new form of money will be needed as cash use continues to decline in an increasingly digital economy.

    It is understood that any new state-backed digital currency – which has been dubbed “Britcoin” in the press - would sit alongside cash. However, the plans are likely to fuel fears that physical currency could one day be phased out altogether.

    The decision by Mr Hunt and Mr Bailey to throw their weight behind the project comes almost two years after Prime Minister Rishi Sunak set up a taskforce as Chancellor to explore whether to create a so-called central bank digital currency (CBDC).

    "On the basis of our work to date, the Bank of England and HM Treasury judge that it is likely a digital pound will be needed in the future," the Bank of England Governor and current Chancellor say in extracts of a consultation paper seen by The Telegraph.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/02/04/digital-pound-possible-2030-bid-combat-falling-use-cash/

    Stumped as to what all these analogue pounds are that I'm spending when I'm swiping my debit and credit cards.
    Just make a note of it and the answer will turn up later.
    I'm sure the penny will drop soon.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    edited February 2023
    ydoethur said:

    The Bank of England and Treasury will next week throw their weight behind a "digital pound" as they set out a roadmap to introduce a new central bank currency by 2030.

    Andrew Bailey and Jeremy Hunt are expected to say it is "likely" that a new form of money will be needed as cash use continues to decline in an increasingly digital economy.

    It is understood that any new state-backed digital currency – which has been dubbed “Britcoin” in the press - would sit alongside cash. However, the plans are likely to fuel fears that physical currency could one day be phased out altogether.

    The decision by Mr Hunt and Mr Bailey to throw their weight behind the project comes almost two years after Prime Minister Rishi Sunak set up a taskforce as Chancellor to explore whether to create a so-called central bank digital currency (CBDC).

    "On the basis of our work to date, the Bank of England and HM Treasury judge that it is likely a digital pound will be needed in the future," the Bank of England Governor and current Chancellor say in extracts of a consultation paper seen by The Telegraph.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/02/04/digital-pound-possible-2030-bid-combat-falling-use-cash/

    Stumped as to what all these analogue pounds are that I'm spending when I'm swiping my debit and credit cards.
    Just make a note of it and the answer will turn up later.
    That's an absolutely sterling response.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,620
    edited February 2023

    The balloon is quite exciting.
    It’s definitely Cold War II, isn’t it?

    It seems very odd. It wasn't exactly subtle. Why do it?

    It is a shame we won't get to see the inevitable tear down.

    These things are surprisingly controllable now as weather forecasts are good enough to allow them to steer using wind currents at different heights in the atmosphere. Perhaps they just lost control of it?

    After all, what the Chinese government needs to spy on most is its own people.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,182

    ydoethur said:

    The Bank of England and Treasury will next week throw their weight behind a "digital pound" as they set out a roadmap to introduce a new central bank currency by 2030.

    Andrew Bailey and Jeremy Hunt are expected to say it is "likely" that a new form of money will be needed as cash use continues to decline in an increasingly digital economy.

    It is understood that any new state-backed digital currency – which has been dubbed “Britcoin” in the press - would sit alongside cash. However, the plans are likely to fuel fears that physical currency could one day be phased out altogether.

    The decision by Mr Hunt and Mr Bailey to throw their weight behind the project comes almost two years after Prime Minister Rishi Sunak set up a taskforce as Chancellor to explore whether to create a so-called central bank digital currency (CBDC).

    "On the basis of our work to date, the Bank of England and HM Treasury judge that it is likely a digital pound will be needed in the future," the Bank of England Governor and current Chancellor say in extracts of a consultation paper seen by The Telegraph.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/02/04/digital-pound-possible-2030-bid-combat-falling-use-cash/

    Stumped as to what all these analogue pounds are that I'm spending when I'm swiping my debit and credit cards.
    Just make a note of it and the answer will turn up later.
    That's an absolutely sterling response.
    Now you're just pounding it home.
  • ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    The Bank of England and Treasury will next week throw their weight behind a "digital pound" as they set out a roadmap to introduce a new central bank currency by 2030.

    Andrew Bailey and Jeremy Hunt are expected to say it is "likely" that a new form of money will be needed as cash use continues to decline in an increasingly digital economy.

    It is understood that any new state-backed digital currency – which has been dubbed “Britcoin” in the press - would sit alongside cash. However, the plans are likely to fuel fears that physical currency could one day be phased out altogether.

    The decision by Mr Hunt and Mr Bailey to throw their weight behind the project comes almost two years after Prime Minister Rishi Sunak set up a taskforce as Chancellor to explore whether to create a so-called central bank digital currency (CBDC).

    "On the basis of our work to date, the Bank of England and HM Treasury judge that it is likely a digital pound will be needed in the future," the Bank of England Governor and current Chancellor say in extracts of a consultation paper seen by The Telegraph.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/02/04/digital-pound-possible-2030-bid-combat-falling-use-cash/

    Stumped as to what all these analogue pounds are that I'm spending when I'm swiping my debit and credit cards.
    Just make a note of it and the answer will turn up later.
    That's an absolutely sterling response.
    Now you're just pounding it home.
    sounds a bit pony to me.
  • ClippPClippP Posts: 1,891

    The Bank of England and Treasury will next week throw their weight behind a "digital pound" as they set out a roadmap to introduce a new central bank currency by 2030.

    Andrew Bailey and Jeremy Hunt are expected to say it is "likely" that a new form of money will be needed as cash use continues to decline in an increasingly digital economy.

    It is understood that any new state-backed digital currency – which has been dubbed “Britcoin” in the press - would sit alongside cash. However, the plans are likely to fuel fears that physical currency could one day be phased out altogether.

    The decision by Mr Hunt and Mr Bailey to throw their weight behind the project comes almost two years after Prime Minister Rishi Sunak set up a taskforce as Chancellor to explore whether to create a so-called central bank digital currency (CBDC).

    "On the basis of our work to date, the Bank of England and HM Treasury judge that it is likely a digital pound will be needed in the future," the Bank of England Governor and current Chancellor say in extracts of a consultation paper seen by The Telegraph.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/02/04/digital-pound-possible-2030-bid-combat-falling-use-cash/

    Sounds like the latest internationalist WEF bollocks, utter waste of money and effort, irrelevant to the needs of the UK, both men should try reaching average at their day job before engaging in extra curricular activities.
    It would be a good start if the banks actually worked now. I am referring, of course, to the rigmarole of passwords, errors and hopelessly long waiting times to speak to somebody who can sort out the problem.
  • Because you've all been so good, I'm giving you a Scottish independence thread in the morning.
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,119

    Despite months trying to justify their 19% pay demand, leaders of the nurses strike have now told the Tory government at Westminster they will settle on 7% back dated to last April, and a small non consolidated one off payment of 1.5%.

    Shocker as initial demand is not somebody's negotiating endpoint. That was obvious from the first moment anybody mentioned 19%.

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,182

    Because you've all been so good, I'm giving you a Scottish independence thread in the morning.

    Wow, we must have been good not to have an AV thread.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,612
    .
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    The Bank of England and Treasury will next week throw their weight behind a "digital pound" as they set out a roadmap to introduce a new central bank currency by 2030.

    Andrew Bailey and Jeremy Hunt are expected to say it is "likely" that a new form of money will be needed as cash use continues to decline in an increasingly digital economy.

    It is understood that any new state-backed digital currency – which has been dubbed “Britcoin” in the press - would sit alongside cash. However, the plans are likely to fuel fears that physical currency could one day be phased out altogether.

    The decision by Mr Hunt and Mr Bailey to throw their weight behind the project comes almost two years after Prime Minister Rishi Sunak set up a taskforce as Chancellor to explore whether to create a so-called central bank digital currency (CBDC).

    "On the basis of our work to date, the Bank of England and HM Treasury judge that it is likely a digital pound will be needed in the future," the Bank of England Governor and current Chancellor say in extracts of a consultation paper seen by The Telegraph.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/02/04/digital-pound-possible-2030-bid-combat-falling-use-cash/

    Stumped as to what all these analogue pounds are that I'm spending when I'm swiping my debit and credit cards.
    Just make a note of it and the answer will turn up later.
    That's an absolutely sterling response.
    Now you're just pounding it home.
    Just for you.

    Refuse firm Lord of the Bins ordered to change its name by Tolkien franchise
    Two-man business contacted by lawyers of Middle-earth Enterprises, which owns rights to Lord of the Rings
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/04/refuse-firm-lord-of-the-bins-ordered-to-change-its-name-by-tolkien-franchise
    … As well as changing the firm’s name and website, they have been forced to ditch their company slogan – “One ring to remove it all”…


  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,267

    Despite months trying to justify their 19% pay demand, leaders of the nurses strike have now told the Tory government at Westminster they will settle on 7% back dated to last April, and a small non consolidated one off payment of 1.5%.

    Having already offered 4% of it, Sunak’s government will love that, it’s totally acceptable compromise. I think we can call that strike over now?

    The best aspect for the government is dividing and ruling if other unions, such as unite, hold out for more and battle on alone, after nurses have settled the historic walk out for just this smallish settlement? And settling with the nurses this coming week is bound to give Tories a much needed popularity boost?

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/04/nurses-offer-to-call-off-strikes-if-sunak-matches-welsh-pay-offer

    Dodgy analysis Moon Shadow. Have you been on the sauce this evening?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,182
    Nigelb said:

    .

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    The Bank of England and Treasury will next week throw their weight behind a "digital pound" as they set out a roadmap to introduce a new central bank currency by 2030.

    Andrew Bailey and Jeremy Hunt are expected to say it is "likely" that a new form of money will be needed as cash use continues to decline in an increasingly digital economy.

    It is understood that any new state-backed digital currency – which has been dubbed “Britcoin” in the press - would sit alongside cash. However, the plans are likely to fuel fears that physical currency could one day be phased out altogether.

    The decision by Mr Hunt and Mr Bailey to throw their weight behind the project comes almost two years after Prime Minister Rishi Sunak set up a taskforce as Chancellor to explore whether to create a so-called central bank digital currency (CBDC).

    "On the basis of our work to date, the Bank of England and HM Treasury judge that it is likely a digital pound will be needed in the future," the Bank of England Governor and current Chancellor say in extracts of a consultation paper seen by The Telegraph.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/02/04/digital-pound-possible-2030-bid-combat-falling-use-cash/

    Stumped as to what all these analogue pounds are that I'm spending when I'm swiping my debit and credit cards.
    Just make a note of it and the answer will turn up later.
    That's an absolutely sterling response.
    Now you're just pounding it home.
    Just for you.

    Refuse firm Lord of the Bins ordered to change its name by Tolkien franchise
    Two-man business contacted by lawyers of Middle-earth Enterprises, which owns rights to Lord of the Rings
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/04/refuse-firm-lord-of-the-bins-ordered-to-change-its-name-by-tolkien-franchise
    … As well as changing the firm’s name and website, they have been forced to ditch their company slogan – “One ring to remove it all”…


    Middle Earth enterprises sound like a bunch of losers.

    Or at any rate, orcard sods.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,642

    Because you've all been so good, I'm giving you a Scottish independence thread in the morning.

    But will you be in the right dispassionate state of mind?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,360

    Despite months trying to justify their 19% pay demand, leaders of the nurses strike have now told the Tory government at Westminster they will settle on 7% back dated to last April, and a small non consolidated one off payment of 1.5%.

    Having already offered 4% of it, Sunak’s government will love that, it’s totally acceptable compromise. I think we can call that strike over now?

    The best aspect for the government is dividing and ruling if other unions, such as unite, hold out for more and battle on alone, after nurses have settled the historic walk out for just this smallish settlement? And settling with the nurses this coming week is bound to give Tories a much needed popularity boost?

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/04/nurses-offer-to-call-off-strikes-if-sunak-matches-welsh-pay-offer

    Dodgy analysis Moon Shadow. Have you been on the sauce this evening?
    What’s your take then, Mex Pet? 🙂
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,182
    edited February 2023
    pm215 said:

    Despite months trying to justify their 19% pay demand, leaders of the nurses strike have now told the Tory government at Westminster they will settle on 7% back dated to last April, and a small non consolidated one off payment of 1.5%.

    Shocker as initial demand is not somebody's negotiating endpoint. That was obvious from the first moment anybody mentioned 19%.

    Agreed.

    I mean, my initial demand would be for every civil servant at the DfE to be whipped butt naked through the streets of Aylesbury before being publicly crucified, but I'm willing to settle in practice for them just being forced to teach sex ed to year 9 last thing on a Friday after they (year 9, that is) have all had a maths lesson.

    Mind you, there are those who feel this would be the crueller punishment, but my answer is, as they would fail in the first five minutes at least it would be quicker.
  • Carnyx said:

    Because you've all been so good, I'm giving you a Scottish independence thread in the morning.

    But will you be in the right dispassionate state of mind?
    I'm always dispassionate in my political analysis.
  • ydoethur said:

    Because you've all been so good, I'm giving you a Scottish independence thread in the morning.

    Wow, we must have been good not to have an AV thread.
    The headline includes a very subtle pun.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,182

    ydoethur said:

    Because you've all been so good, I'm giving you a Scottish independence thread in the morning.

    Wow, we must have been good not to have an AV thread.
    The headline includes a very subtle pun.
    To be blunt, Mr Eagles, that seems in the highest degree improbable.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,360
    edited February 2023

    Despite months trying to justify their 19% pay demand, leaders of the nurses strike have now told the Tory government at Westminster they will settle on 7% back dated to last April, and a small non consolidated one off payment of 1.5%.

    Having already offered 4% of it, Sunak’s government will love that, it’s totally acceptable compromise. I think we can call that strike over now?

    The best aspect for the government is dividing and ruling if other unions, such as unite, hold out for more and battle on alone, after nurses have settled the historic walk out for just this smallish settlement? And settling with the nurses this coming week is bound to give Tories a much needed popularity boost?

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/04/nurses-offer-to-call-off-strikes-if-sunak-matches-welsh-pay-offer

    Dodgy analysis Moon Shadow. Have you been on the sauce this evening?
    What’s your take then, Mex Pet? 🙂
    The Tories popularity boost is a question, becuase I don’t believe they will get that myself. Everything else though, the details of the settlement, the weakening hand of other health unions who don’t agree to the same, and the fact that the government aren’t stupid enough to spurn this opportunity, that’s so true you will hear the same analysis on TV news reports in coming days.
    Go on then, what’s your ’take’ of the same story?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,642
    ydoethur said:

    pm215 said:

    Despite months trying to justify their 19% pay demand, leaders of the nurses strike have now told the Tory government at Westminster they will settle on 7% back dated to last April, and a small non consolidated one off payment of 1.5%.

    Shocker as initial demand is not somebody's negotiating endpoint. That was obvious from the first moment anybody mentioned 19%.

    Agreed.

    I mean, my initial demand would be for every civil servant at the DfE to be whipped butt naked through the streets of Aylesbury before being publicly crucified, but I'm willing to settle in practice for them just being forced to teach sex ed to year 9 last thing on a Friday after they (year 9, that is) have all had a maths lesson.

    Mind you, there are those who feel this would be the crueller punishment, but my answer is, as they would fail in the first five minutes at least it would be quicker.
    What's the problem with sex ed on the last session of the week? It'll be easier for them to do their practical homework while they remember.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,182
    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    pm215 said:

    Despite months trying to justify their 19% pay demand, leaders of the nurses strike have now told the Tory government at Westminster they will settle on 7% back dated to last April, and a small non consolidated one off payment of 1.5%.

    Shocker as initial demand is not somebody's negotiating endpoint. That was obvious from the first moment anybody mentioned 19%.

    Agreed.

    I mean, my initial demand would be for every civil servant at the DfE to be whipped butt naked through the streets of Aylesbury before being publicly crucified, but I'm willing to settle in practice for them just being forced to teach sex ed to year 9 last thing on a Friday after they (year 9, that is) have all had a maths lesson.

    Mind you, there are those who feel this would be the crueller punishment, but my answer is, as they would fail in the first five minutes at least it would be quicker.
    What's the problem with sex ed on the last session of the week? It'll be easier for them to do their practical homework while they remember.
    The point is, it's the lesson when they're at their most weary and least receptive.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    Cash is absolutely pointless.

    Who uses it, ever?

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,182

    Cash is absolutely pointless.

    Who uses it, ever?

    Most people.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,612

    ydoethur said:

    Because you've all been so good, I'm giving you a Scottish independence thread in the morning.

    Wow, we must have been good not to have an AV thread.
    The headline includes a very subtle pun.
    I’m grateful for the warning.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,870
    ydoethur said:

    Cash is absolutely pointless.

    Who uses it, ever?

    Most people.
    In fact you’d be hard pressed to find someone who has never used it.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,695
    Guardian says Welsh offer is extra 3% of which 1.5% is consolidated.

    If original offer was 4%, that implies new offer is actually 5.5% consolidated + 1.5% one-off payment.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,612
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    The Bank of England and Treasury will next week throw their weight behind a "digital pound" as they set out a roadmap to introduce a new central bank currency by 2030.

    Andrew Bailey and Jeremy Hunt are expected to say it is "likely" that a new form of money will be needed as cash use continues to decline in an increasingly digital economy.

    It is understood that any new state-backed digital currency – which has been dubbed “Britcoin” in the press - would sit alongside cash. However, the plans are likely to fuel fears that physical currency could one day be phased out altogether.

    The decision by Mr Hunt and Mr Bailey to throw their weight behind the project comes almost two years after Prime Minister Rishi Sunak set up a taskforce as Chancellor to explore whether to create a so-called central bank digital currency (CBDC).

    "On the basis of our work to date, the Bank of England and HM Treasury judge that it is likely a digital pound will be needed in the future," the Bank of England Governor and current Chancellor say in extracts of a consultation paper seen by The Telegraph.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/02/04/digital-pound-possible-2030-bid-combat-falling-use-cash/

    Stumped as to what all these analogue pounds are that I'm spending when I'm swiping my debit and credit cards.
    Just make a note of it and the answer will turn up later.
    That's an absolutely sterling response.
    Now you're just pounding it home.
    Just for you.

    Refuse firm Lord of the Bins ordered to change its name by Tolkien franchise
    Two-man business contacted by lawyers of Middle-earth Enterprises, which owns rights to Lord of the Rings
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/04/refuse-firm-lord-of-the-bins-ordered-to-change-its-name-by-tolkien-franchise
    … As well as changing the firm’s name and website, they have been forced to ditch their company slogan – “One ring to remove it all”…


    Middle Earth enterprises sound like a bunch of losers.

    Or at any rate, orcard sods.
    They were a bit Sauron learning of it.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,196

    Cash is absolutely pointless.

    Who uses it, ever?

    Little old ladies who budget their pension each week by using cash. More common than you might think. Plus charity collection.
    Car parking if you don’t have a smart phone (not universal).
    Me, this morning at the market.
    Dodgy trades for cash in hand.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,897
    ...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,182
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    The Bank of England and Treasury will next week throw their weight behind a "digital pound" as they set out a roadmap to introduce a new central bank currency by 2030.

    Andrew Bailey and Jeremy Hunt are expected to say it is "likely" that a new form of money will be needed as cash use continues to decline in an increasingly digital economy.

    It is understood that any new state-backed digital currency – which has been dubbed “Britcoin” in the press - would sit alongside cash. However, the plans are likely to fuel fears that physical currency could one day be phased out altogether.

    The decision by Mr Hunt and Mr Bailey to throw their weight behind the project comes almost two years after Prime Minister Rishi Sunak set up a taskforce as Chancellor to explore whether to create a so-called central bank digital currency (CBDC).

    "On the basis of our work to date, the Bank of England and HM Treasury judge that it is likely a digital pound will be needed in the future," the Bank of England Governor and current Chancellor say in extracts of a consultation paper seen by The Telegraph.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/02/04/digital-pound-possible-2030-bid-combat-falling-use-cash/

    Stumped as to what all these analogue pounds are that I'm spending when I'm swiping my debit and credit cards.
    Just make a note of it and the answer will turn up later.
    That's an absolutely sterling response.
    Now you're just pounding it home.
    Just for you.

    Refuse firm Lord of the Bins ordered to change its name by Tolkien franchise
    Two-man business contacted by lawyers of Middle-earth Enterprises, which owns rights to Lord of the Rings
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/04/refuse-firm-lord-of-the-bins-ordered-to-change-its-name-by-tolkien-franchise
    … As well as changing the firm’s name and website, they have been forced to ditch their company slogan – “One ring to remove it all”…


    Middle Earth enterprises sound like a bunch of losers.

    Or at any rate, orcard sods.
    They were a bit Sauron learning of it.
    Seems like they've done this sort of thing before:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-17350103

    They were ignored in that case and nothing seems to have happened.

    If it had been me on the receiving end I would have been tempted to do the same thing here. It would take ages to come to court and I wouldn't have thought there was a high chance of success for MEE even if it did.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,356
    edited February 2023

    Despite months trying to justify their 19% pay demand, leaders of the nurses strike have now told the Tory government at Westminster they will settle on 7% back dated to last April, and a small non consolidated one off payment of 1.5%.

    Having already offered 4% of it, Sunak’s government will love that, it’s totally acceptable compromise. I think we can call that strike over now?

    The best aspect for the government is dividing and ruling if other unions, such as unite, hold out for more and battle on alone, after nurses have settled the historic walk out for just this smallish settlement? And settling with the nurses this coming week is bound to give Tories a much needed popularity boost?

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/04/nurses-offer-to-call-off-strikes-if-sunak-matches-welsh-pay-offer

    Dodgy analysis Moon Shadow. Have you been on the sauce this evening?
    What’s your take then, Mex Pet? 🙂
    The Tories popularity boost is a question, becuase I don’t believe they will get that myself. Everything else though, the details of the settlement, the weakening hand of other health unions who don’t agree to the same, and the fact that the government aren’t stupid enough to spurn this opportunity, that’s so true you will hear the same analysis on TV news reports in coming days.
    Go on then, what’s your ’take’ of the same story?
    Are we quite sure?

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,182
    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    Thereby proving she really is as stupid as she looked in office. Which is some achievement.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,360
    pm215 said:

    Despite months trying to justify their 19% pay demand, leaders of the nurses strike have now told the Tory government at Westminster they will settle on 7% back dated to last April, and a small non consolidated one off payment of 1.5%.

    Shocker as initial demand is not somebody's negotiating endpoint. That was obvious from the first moment anybody mentioned 19%.

    Technically 12% lower though in consolidated pay. Would be laughable for employer to claim negotiation success knocking 12% off due to their previous tough line, I don’t detect any weakening of nurse strike resolve or backwards in public support. nor am I saying it’s as good as I feel they deserve, especially to tackle low numbers due to eroded pay. Yet, according to this report, the nurse leaders seem keen to sell this deal.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    My major irritation these days is paying for 95% of things by card and then realising you need a coin to get into a public loo and the best you can do is get a tenner from a nearby ATM.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,330
    edited February 2023

    Cash is absolutely pointless.

    Who uses it, ever?

    Little old ladies who budget their pension each week by using cash. More common than you might think. Plus charity collection.
    Car parking if you don’t have a smart phone (not universal).
    Me, this morning at the market.
    Dodgy trades for cash in hand.
    A lot of old school taxis in provincial towns.
    Some ok restaurants/cafe's.
    buskers
    beggars
    (edit) swimming pool lockers
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,695
    edited February 2023
    MikeL said:

    Guardian says Welsh offer is extra 3% of which 1.5% is consolidated.

    If original offer was 4%, that implies new offer is actually 5.5% consolidated + 1.5% one-off payment.

    Correction - Original offer is in fact 5.5% (for newly qualified nurses) so would be 7% consolidated + 1.5% one-off payment.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,360

    ydoethur said:

    Because you've all been so good, I'm giving you a Scottish independence thread in the morning.

    Wow, we must have been good not to have an AV thread.
    The headline includes a very subtle pun.
    Using the words ratings sturgeon’s tranny pornhub and pounded?
  • DJ41aDJ41a Posts: 174
    https://news.sky.com/story/chinese-spy-balloon-spotted-again-in-us-airspace-12803050

    "Flights have been suspended at several airports in the US as the country prepares to shoot down a suspected Chinese spy balloon."

    "...The US has also temporarily blocked civilian flights within 100 square miles over the Atlantic Ocean and around the South Carolina coast.
    "

  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,330
    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    ah ok... it was all an establishment conspiracy.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,411
    edited February 2023
    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    Like Joan of Arc against the English brave Liz fought valiantly against the Big State, Big Government establishment and for tax cuts for businesses and workers.

    Sunak and Starmer may have won the battle but as St Joan became a martyr for the Catholic Church and France, St Liz will become a martyr for hedge fund managers and private equity firms and wealthy entrepreneurs, rewarded with an eternal fat paycheque at a US think tank!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,182
    darkage said:

    Cash is absolutely pointless.

    Who uses it, ever?

    Little old ladies who budget their pension each week by using cash. More common than you might think. Plus charity collection.
    Car parking if you don’t have a smart phone (not universal).
    Me, this morning at the market.
    Dodgy trades for cash in hand.
    A lot of old school taxis in provincial towns.
    Some ok restaurants/cafe's.
    buskers
    beggars
    Smaller shops, again especially in provincial towns where prices are lower.

    Various workers and trades. The last time I had a new tyre I paid in cash.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,855

    Cash is absolutely pointless.

    Who uses it, ever?

    Little old ladies who budget their pension each week by using cash. More common than you might think. Plus charity collection.
    Car parking if you don’t have a smart phone (not universal).
    Me, this morning at the market.
    Dodgy trades for cash in hand.
    Lending a tenner to a friend, paying for slightly illegal services, not wanting every purchase to be trackable even if you are doing nothing illicit, using a change jar as a savings jar to treat yourself without guilt when it gets full....uses of cash are endless.

    The people who want an end to cash are merely people who don't care if every governement and private company can track every penny you spend because they see that somehow a good thing....

    until a government comes in and decides you spending more than x pounds a month on alcohol is a bad thing so block purchases after you reach your limit or they decide you lending 50£ to a friend should be taxed as income and likewise him paying you back likewise. Those that advocate societies going cashless really haven't thought about the lack of privacy it engenders and the capability of politicians to be total arseholes
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    Pagan2 said:

    Cash is absolutely pointless.

    Who uses it, ever?

    Little old ladies who budget their pension each week by using cash. More common than you might think. Plus charity collection.
    Car parking if you don’t have a smart phone (not universal).
    Me, this morning at the market.
    Dodgy trades for cash in hand.
    Lending a tenner to a friend, paying for slightly illegal services, not wanting every purchase to be trackable even if you are doing nothing illicit, using a change jar as a savings jar to treat yourself without guilt when it gets full....uses of cash are endless.

    The people who want an end to cash are merely people who don't care if every governement and private company can track every penny you spend because they see that somehow a good thing....

    until a government comes in and decides you spending more than x pounds a month on alcohol is a bad thing so block purchases after you reach your limit or they decide you lending 50£ to a friend should be taxed as income and likewise him paying you back likewise. Those that advocate societies going cashless really haven't thought about the lack of privacy it engenders and the capability of politicians to be total arseholes
    Or equally bad, when the power goes down and the electronic systems fail, when the bank systems crash after dodgy software updates, when bad actors hack key systems...cash is a useful backstop in such instances.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,855

    Pagan2 said:

    Cash is absolutely pointless.

    Who uses it, ever?

    Little old ladies who budget their pension each week by using cash. More common than you might think. Plus charity collection.
    Car parking if you don’t have a smart phone (not universal).
    Me, this morning at the market.
    Dodgy trades for cash in hand.
    Lending a tenner to a friend, paying for slightly illegal services, not wanting every purchase to be trackable even if you are doing nothing illicit, using a change jar as a savings jar to treat yourself without guilt when it gets full....uses of cash are endless.

    The people who want an end to cash are merely people who don't care if every governement and private company can track every penny you spend because they see that somehow a good thing....

    until a government comes in and decides you spending more than x pounds a month on alcohol is a bad thing so block purchases after you reach your limit or they decide you lending 50£ to a friend should be taxed as income and likewise him paying you back likewise. Those that advocate societies going cashless really haven't thought about the lack of privacy it engenders and the capability of politicians to be total arseholes
    Or equally bad, when the power goes down and the electronic systems fail, when the bank systems crash after dodgy software updates, when bad actors hack key systems...cash is a useful backstop in such instances.
    Agreed, there are so many bad things about do away with hard cash both accidental and intentional I shake my head everytime I see people advocate it.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,360
    MikeL said:

    MikeL said:

    Guardian says Welsh offer is extra 3% of which 1.5% is consolidated.

    If original offer was 4%, that implies new offer is actually 5.5% consolidated + 1.5% one-off payment.

    Correction - Original offer is in fact 5.5% (for newly qualified nurses) so would be 7% consolidated + 1.5% one-off payment.
    Enough to call off strikes and try selling to members? I’m not convinced, and caught a bit surprise by this story.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,642

    Pagan2 said:

    Cash is absolutely pointless.

    Who uses it, ever?

    Little old ladies who budget their pension each week by using cash. More common than you might think. Plus charity collection.
    Car parking if you don’t have a smart phone (not universal).
    Me, this morning at the market.
    Dodgy trades for cash in hand.
    Lending a tenner to a friend, paying for slightly illegal services, not wanting every purchase to be trackable even if you are doing nothing illicit, using a change jar as a savings jar to treat yourself without guilt when it gets full....uses of cash are endless.

    The people who want an end to cash are merely people who don't care if every governement and private company can track every penny you spend because they see that somehow a good thing....

    until a government comes in and decides you spending more than x pounds a month on alcohol is a bad thing so block purchases after you reach your limit or they decide you lending 50£ to a friend should be taxed as income and likewise him paying you back likewise. Those that advocate societies going cashless really haven't thought about the lack of privacy it engenders and the capability of politicians to be total arseholes
    Or equally bad, when the power goes down and the electronic systems fail, when the bank systems crash after dodgy software updates, when bad actors hack key systems...cash is a useful backstop in such instances.
    Some people don't even have bank accounts and/or can't cope with the digital world.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,232
    Poor thing ! Truss needs help as she’s clearly delusional. Why on earth are the Telegraph giving her this air-time . No one cares what she has to say .
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,356
    edited February 2023
    DJ41a said:

    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    Thereby proving she really is as stupid as she looked in office. Which is some achievement.
    I've heard the BBC called leftwing before, but never the pension funds and the financial markets.
    Mmm.
    If one thinks the financial markets are left wing, it may be time to stop and consider whether you yourself may be slightly to the Right of entirely sane.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,360
    dixiedean said:

    Despite months trying to justify their 19% pay demand, leaders of the nurses strike have now told the Tory government at Westminster they will settle on 7% back dated to last April, and a small non consolidated one off payment of 1.5%.

    Having already offered 4% of it, Sunak’s government will love that, it’s totally acceptable compromise. I think we can call that strike over now?

    The best aspect for the government is dividing and ruling if other unions, such as unite, hold out for more and battle on alone, after nurses have settled the historic walk out for just this smallish settlement? And settling with the nurses this coming week is bound to give Tories a much needed popularity boost?

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/04/nurses-offer-to-call-off-strikes-if-sunak-matches-welsh-pay-offer

    Dodgy analysis Moon Shadow. Have you been on the sauce this evening?
    What’s your take then, Mex Pet? 🙂
    The Tories popularity boost is a question, becuase I don’t believe they will get that myself. Everything else though, the details of the settlement, the weakening hand of other health unions who don’t agree to the same, and the fact that the government aren’t stupid enough to spurn this opportunity, that’s so true you will hear the same analysis on TV news reports in coming days.
    Go on then, what’s your ’take’ of the same story?
    Are we quite sure?

    Yes. Joking aside. Government will quickly close this deal at that offer price won’t they?
    But are nurses getting enough financially from the settlement?
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,027
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

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    Like Joan of Arc against the English brave Liz fought valiantly against the Big State, Big Government establishment and for tax cuts for businesses and workers.

    Sunak and Starmer may have won the battle but as St Joan became a martyr for the Catholic Church and France, St Liz will become a martyr for hedge fund managers and private equity firms and wealthy entrepreneurs, rewarded with an eternal fat paycheque at a US think tank!
    Ugh. The state of the Tory party. Perhaps we do need an election sooner rather than later. Not sure how the next two years can be styled out
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,360
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

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    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    The Bank of England and Treasury will next week throw their weight behind a "digital pound" as they set out a roadmap to introduce a new central bank currency by 2030.

    Andrew Bailey and Jeremy Hunt are expected to say it is "likely" that a new form of money will be needed as cash use continues to decline in an increasingly digital economy.

    It is understood that any new state-backed digital currency – which has been dubbed “Britcoin” in the press - would sit alongside cash. However, the plans are likely to fuel fears that physical currency could one day be phased out altogether.

    The decision by Mr Hunt and Mr Bailey to throw their weight behind the project comes almost two years after Prime Minister Rishi Sunak set up a taskforce as Chancellor to explore whether to create a so-called central bank digital currency (CBDC).

    "On the basis of our work to date, the Bank of England and HM Treasury judge that it is likely a digital pound will be needed in the future," the Bank of England Governor and current Chancellor say in extracts of a consultation paper seen by The Telegraph.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/02/04/digital-pound-possible-2030-bid-combat-falling-use-cash/

    Stumped as to what all these analogue pounds are that I'm spending when I'm swiping my debit and credit cards.
    Just make a note of it and the answer will turn up later.
    That's an absolutely sterling response.
    Now you're just pounding it home.
    Just for you.

    Refuse firm Lord of the Bins ordered to change its name by Tolkien franchise
    Two-man business contacted by lawyers of Middle-earth Enterprises, which owns rights to Lord of the Rings
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/04/refuse-firm-lord-of-the-bins-ordered-to-change-its-name-by-tolkien-franchise
    … As well as changing the firm’s name and website, they have been forced to ditch their company slogan – “One ring to remove it all”…


    Middle Earth enterprises sound like a bunch of losers.

    Or at any rate, orcard sods.
    They were a bit Sauron learning of it.
    May initially thought it was trolling
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,356
    edited February 2023
    If every institution is so bloody leftwing after Tory governments for 31 of the previous 44 years, maybe it's because the Tories are simply crap at the job of governing?
    Long past time for a change.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,381
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    Like Joan of Arc against the English brave Liz fought valiantly against the Big State, Big Government establishment and for tax cuts for businesses and workers.

    Sunak and Starmer may have won the battle but as St Joan became a martyr for the Catholic Church and France, St Liz will become a martyr for hedge fund managers and private equity firms and wealthy entrepreneurs, rewarded with an eternal fat paycheque at a US think tank!
    Is Liz also hearing voices?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,897

    Cash is absolutely pointless.

    Who uses it, ever?

    On course turf accountants
  • glwglw Posts: 9,883
    Scott_xP said:

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    She is as thick as mince.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,411
    edited February 2023

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

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    Like Joan of Arc against the English brave Liz fought valiantly against the Big State, Big Government establishment and for tax cuts for businesses and workers.

    Sunak and Starmer may have won the battle but as St Joan became a martyr for the Catholic Church and France, St Liz will become a martyr for hedge fund managers and private equity firms and wealthy entrepreneurs, rewarded with an eternal fat paycheque at a US think tank!
    Is Liz also hearing voices?
    The voice of the Archangel Maggie?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,356
    She's wearing the necklace I see.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,883
    dixiedean said:

    DJ41a said:

    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

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    Thereby proving she really is as stupid as she looked in office. Which is some achievement.
    I've heard the BBC called leftwing before, but never the pension funds and the financial markets.
    Mmm.
    If one thinks the financial markets are left wing, it may be time to stop and consider whether you yourself may be slightly to the Right of entirely sane.
    Exactly. If she thinks that it was left-wing opposition to her "plans" she has gone completely round the bend.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,687

    Cash is absolutely pointless.

    Who uses it, ever?

    I use it, to pay for goods and services.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,897
    The response to Liz's comeback is almost as universal as the response to her initial implosion
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cash is absolutely pointless.

    Who uses it, ever?

    Little old ladies who budget their pension each week by using cash. More common than you might think. Plus charity collection.
    Car parking if you don’t have a smart phone (not universal).
    Me, this morning at the market.
    Dodgy trades for cash in hand.
    Lending a tenner to a friend, paying for slightly illegal services, not wanting every purchase to be trackable even if you are doing nothing illicit, using a change jar as a savings jar to treat yourself without guilt when it gets full....uses of cash are endless.

    The people who want an end to cash are merely people who don't care if every governement and private company can track every penny you spend because they see that somehow a good thing....

    until a government comes in and decides you spending more than x pounds a month on alcohol is a bad thing so block purchases after you reach your limit or they decide you lending 50£ to a friend should be taxed as income and likewise him paying you back likewise. Those that advocate societies going cashless really haven't thought about the lack of privacy it engenders and the capability of politicians to be total arseholes
    Or equally bad, when the power goes down and the electronic systems fail, when the bank systems crash after dodgy software updates, when bad actors hack key systems...cash is a useful backstop in such instances.
    Some people don't even have bank accounts and/or can't cope with the digital world.
    Exactly. Though many large financial institutions are very much getting to the stage of just telling people who won't do all the apps and online stuff that they don't want their custom any more, thank you very much.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,356
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    Like Joan of Arc against the English brave Liz fought valiantly against the Big State, Big Government establishment and for tax cuts for businesses and workers.

    Sunak and Starmer may have won the battle but as St Joan became a martyr for the Catholic Church and France, St Liz will become a martyr for hedge fund managers and private equity firms and wealthy entrepreneurs, rewarded with an eternal fat paycheque at a US think tank!
    Is Liz also hearing voices?
    The voice of the Archangel Maggie?
    The Blessed Margaret would have been appalled by unfunded tax cuts.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,267
    edited February 2023

    Despite months trying to justify their 19% pay demand, leaders of the nurses strike have now told the Tory government at Westminster they will settle on 7% back dated to last April, and a small non consolidated one off payment of 1.5%.

    Having already offered 4% of it, Sunak’s government will love that, it’s totally acceptable compromise. I think we can call that strike over now?

    The best aspect for the government is dividing and ruling if other unions, such as unite, hold out for more and battle on alone, after nurses have settled the historic walk out for just this smallish settlement? And settling with the nurses this coming week is bound to give Tories a much needed popularity boost?

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/04/nurses-offer-to-call-off-strikes-if-sunak-matches-welsh-pay-offer

    Dodgy analysis Moon Shadow. Have you been on the sauce this evening?
    What’s your take then, Mex Pet? 🙂
    19% was always just a starting point. I suspected 8 to 10 percent was the finishing point. So what do I know? Acceptance at the lower end.

    I am not sure it is the Conservative win you suggest. Welsh Labour resolving the Welsh nurses strike is not a hot topic in the pubs of Cardiff, so why would it be different for Sunak? Good news nonetheless.

  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,595
    ydoethur said:

    pm215 said:

    Despite months trying to justify their 19% pay demand, leaders of the nurses strike have now told the Tory government at Westminster they will settle on 7% back dated to last April, and a small non consolidated one off payment of 1.5%.

    Shocker as initial demand is not somebody's negotiating endpoint. That was obvious from the first moment anybody mentioned 19%.

    Agreed.

    I mean, my initial demand would be for every civil servant at the DfE to be whipped butt naked through the streets of Aylesbury before being publicly crucified, but I'm willing to settle in practice for them just being forced to teach sex ed to year 9 last thing on a Friday after they (year 9, that is) have all had a maths lesson.

    Mind you, there are those who feel this would be the crueller punishment, but my answer is, as they would fail in the first five minutes at least it would be quicker.
    Your initial demand seems a particularly cruel punishment. What has Aylesbury done to deserve such treatment?
  • Liz Truss has gone full Jeremy Corbyn.

    Never go full Jeremy Corbyn
  • So MoonRabbit is officially a Tory now, glad she's not hiding it anymore. TWO OF YOU!
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