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The Liz Truss comeback is on – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,219
edited February 2023 in General
The Liz Truss comeback is on – politicalbetting.com

She has two chances. Slim and fat.

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  • First rate like @DougSeal's abilities.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,481
    I confidentially predict the tax cuts called for won't be for the lower paid.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,481
    dixiedean said:

    I confidentially predict the tax cuts called for won't be for the lower paid.

    Nor any call for Council Tax reforms. Probably the biggest single disincentive to moving into low paid employment.
  • DougSeal said:

    *Blushes*

    Such modesty may be fitting, but not in the Site's best tradition. Stand proud like our beloved leaders.

    Btw, how can one tell when a seal blushes?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    DougSeal said:

    *Blushes*

    Such modesty may be fitting, but not in the Site's best tradition. Stand proud like our beloved leaders.

    Btw, how can one tell when a seal blushes?
    The ice we’re standing upon almost imperceptibly melts slightly at the rise in body temp
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,689
    I suppose she thinks she "won the argument" by saying we need to "grow the pie". As opposed to just robotically chuntering what in a crowded field is one of the most facile platitudes in modern British politics.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,319
    edited February 2023
    I have to confess some minor admiration for Truss’s sheer chutzpah.

    And, unlike the many other numpties at the top of the Tory Party she is not grotesquely over-privileged, nor personally corrupt.

    Ok, she’s as nutty as a walnut whip, but you can’t have everything.
  • If we're going by Seal predictions,

    we're never gonna survive unless we get a little crazy.

    But this is surely too crazy. The fact that Truss wants to come back ought to disqualify her. For her own peace of mind, if nothing else.

    Same for the other ex-PM on manoeuvres.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,314
    Real Trussism hasn't been tried yet. She had to go against her convictions by subsidising energy which led to the communication failure over the budget.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,319
    Truss is a keen fan of the works of Rick Perlstein, who has written a multi-volume history of the American Right, starting with Barry Goldwater.

    I’m half way through the first one, it’s very good.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    Real Trussism hasn't been tried yet. She had to go against her convictions by subsidising energy which led to the communication failure over the budget.

    Another entry in the long list of social and political experiments that “haven’t been tried properly” after Communism, Morris Dancing and Brexit.
  • DJ41aDJ41a Posts: 174
    I love the line that Liz Truss "tried to do too much". Never mind was it good or bad. Shift the focus to the amount of it, or the speed of it, with the unstated assumption that it was good because it must have been good, because people like her have white skins are part of the Tories' DNA.

    The Times are only saying this sh*t because they gotta say something about the ongoing fighting in top Tory circles while Raab hasn't even been sacked yet and Sunak hasn't managed to get it together enough to appoint a replacement for Zahawi as chairman.
  • dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    I confidentially predict the tax cuts called for won't be for the lower paid.

    Nor any call for Council Tax reforms. Probably the biggest single disincentive to moving into low paid employment.
    Apart from the low pay, of course.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,319
    It’s very cold in Manhattan this morning.

    It’s minus 15 but “feels like” minus 23 when you account for wind-chill. The only people out and about are the mentally unwell and homeless (pretty much the same thing).
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008
    Liz Truss allies leaking she will let Sunak lose the next general election.

    Then once rid of Sunak and Hunt she will stand again for the party leadership to be Leader of the Opposition to PM Starmer

    https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1621818468407320578?s=20&t=qpFVaJbbb9vHlMXTEeVtxA
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008
    HYUFD said:

    Liz Truss allies leaking she will let Sunak lose the next general election.

    Then once rid of Sunak and Hunt she will stand again for the party leadership to be Leader of the Opposition to PM Starmer

    https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1621818468407320578?s=20&t=qpFVaJbbb9vHlMXTEeVtxA

    Though personally I would put Barclay as favourite to be Leader of the Opposition
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    My work here is done.

    If we're going by Seal predictions,

    we're never gonna survive unless we get a little crazy.

    But this is surely too crazy. The fact that Truss wants to come back ought to disqualify her. For her own peace of mind, if nothing else.

    Same for the other ex-PM on manoeuvres.

    Baby, I compare Truss to a kiss from a rose on the grey
    Ooh, the more I get, the stranger it feels, yeah
    And now that her rose is in bloom
    A light hits the gloom on the grey

    (that one’s dedicated from me to @Luckyguy1983 )
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,984
    edited February 2023
    Where I lead the media follow.


  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008

    Truss is a keen fan of the works of Rick Perlstein, who has written a multi-volume history of the American Right, starting with Barry Goldwater.

    I’m half way through the first one, it’s very good.

    Truss is an ideological libertarian, more than any other UK Tory Leader before her was.

    Basically she is Barry Goldwater or Rand Paul in a skirt

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,165
    edited February 2023
    HYUFD said:

    Liz Truss allies leaking she will let Sunak lose the next general election.

    Then once rid of Sunak and Hunt she will stand again for the party leadership to be Leader of the Opposition to PM Starmer

    https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1621818468407320578?s=20&t=qpFVaJbbb9vHlMXTEeVtxA

    LET Sunak lose?

    As if she had any influence on that event!
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    It’s very cold in Manhattan this morning.

    It’s minus 15 but “feels like” minus 23 when you account for wind-chill. The only people out and about are the mentally unwell and homeless (pretty much the same thing).

    The wife’s moaning about the weather today. She’s off to visit her family in New Haven CT on Thursday.

    (chuckles slightly but while she’s in a different room)
  • Told you Dyche would save Everton.
  • DJ41aDJ41a Posts: 174
    HYUFD said:

    Liz Truss allies leaking she will let Sunak lose the next general election.

    Then once rid of Sunak and Hunt she will stand again for the party leadership to be Leader of the Opposition to PM Starmer

    https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1621818468407320578?s=20&t=qpFVaJbbb9vHlMXTEeVtxA

    Why would her allies say something like that?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    Where I lead the media follow.


    *ahem*
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008
    edited February 2023
    DJ41a said:

    HYUFD said:

    Liz Truss allies leaking she will let Sunak lose the next general election.

    Then once rid of Sunak and Hunt she will stand again for the party leadership to be Leader of the Opposition to PM Starmer

    https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1621818468407320578?s=20&t=qpFVaJbbb9vHlMXTEeVtxA

    Why would her allies say something like that?
    So Sunak takes the hit for the defeat not her.

    She would hope Johnson and Hunt lose their marginal seats too, then launch her comeback on a low tax agenda v a high tax Labour government
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,419
    DougSeal said:

    Where I lead the media follow.


    *ahem*
    Nostradamus or walrus? But it will be interesting ...
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,872
    HYUFD said:

    Liz Truss allies leaking she will let Sunak lose the next general election.

    Then once rid of Sunak and Hunt she will stand again for the party leadership to be Leader of the Opposition to PM Starmer

    https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1621818468407320578?s=20&t=qpFVaJbbb9vHlMXTEeVtxA

    Gove. Safe seat, tolerates thankless jobs, would actually be good at it.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,319
    Truss ain’t coming back.

    Even the shit-witted rump of Tories left after the next election aren’t that stupid.
  • Blatant dive by cheating Arsenal.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,419

    I have to confess some minor admiration for Truss’s sheer chutzpah.

    And, unlike the many other numpties at the top of the Tory Party she is not grotesquely over-privileged, nor personally corrupt.

    Ok, she’s as nutty as a walnut whip, but you can’t have everything.

    PLeeeease don't mention walnut whips to anyone familiar with Edinburgh and its new hotel.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,319
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Liz Truss allies leaking she will let Sunak lose the next general election.

    Then once rid of Sunak and Hunt she will stand again for the party leadership to be Leader of the Opposition to PM Starmer

    https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1621818468407320578?s=20&t=qpFVaJbbb9vHlMXTEeVtxA

    LET Sunak lose?

    As if she had any influence on that event!
    Careful.
    She killed the Queen.
    Her powers are simply terrifying.
  • DJ41a said:

    HYUFD said:

    Liz Truss allies leaking she will let Sunak lose the next general election.

    Then once rid of Sunak and Hunt she will stand again for the party leadership to be Leader of the Opposition to PM Starmer

    https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1621818468407320578?s=20&t=qpFVaJbbb9vHlMXTEeVtxA

    Why would her allies say something like that?
    One of those morbid signs that a party is beginning to give up, and longs to be able to ignore reality from the safety of opposition. There was quite a lot of chuntering along those lines in the run-up to 1997
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,319
    I thought Liz Truss had gone off to be in a polycule with Sam Bankman-Fried, anyway.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,319
    Someone just sent me a photo of box of 500g of blueberries for £9.99.

    I have also heard rumours of a flat white for sale at £4.75.

    Why aren’t Britons rioting?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,300

    Truss is a keen fan of the works of Rick Perlstein, who has written a multi-volume history of the American Right, starting with Barry Goldwater.

    I’m half way through the first one, it’s very good.

    They are all very good.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    Someone just sent me a photo of box of 500g of blueberries for £9.99.

    I have also heard rumours of a flat white for sale at £4.75.

    Why aren’t Britons rioting?

    Maybe not enough eat blueberries and drink flat whites?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,319
    Carnyx said:

    I have to confess some minor admiration for Truss’s sheer chutzpah.

    And, unlike the many other numpties at the top of the Tory Party she is not grotesquely over-privileged, nor personally corrupt.

    Ok, she’s as nutty as a walnut whip, but you can’t have everything.

    PLeeeease don't mention walnut whips to anyone familiar with Edinburgh and its new hotel.
    The first order of my dictatorship will be to have that bombed (and blamed on Brexiters).
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,300
    HYUFD said:

    Truss is a keen fan of the works of Rick Perlstein, who has written a multi-volume history of the American Right, starting with Barry Goldwater.

    I’m half way through the first one, it’s very good.

    Truss is an ideological libertarian, more than any other UK Tory Leader before her was.

    Basically she is Barry Goldwater or Rand Paul in a skirt

    Rick Perlstein is not a fan of Barry Goldwater, to put it mildly.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,547

    I thought Liz Truss had gone off to be in a polycule with Sam Bankman-Fried, anyway.

    Kwasi Karteng and a serving European Prime Minister, surely?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,872

    Someone just sent me a photo of box of 500g of blueberries for £9.99.

    I have also heard rumours of a flat white for sale at £4.75.

    Why aren’t Britons rioting?

    Probably too busy at Tesco buying the blueberries for £3.60:

    https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/301514109

    (The reviews say they are tasteless. I say, what do you expect? They are blueberries. Maybe £9.99 gets some good ones.)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,300
    HYUFD said:

    Liz Truss allies leaking she will let Sunak lose the next general election.

    Then once rid of Sunak and Hunt she will stand again for the party leadership to be Leader of the Opposition to PM Starmer

    https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1621818468407320578?s=20&t=qpFVaJbbb9vHlMXTEeVtxA

    I see that miserable and public failure has left her capacity for delusion undimmed.
  • carnforth said:

    HYUFD said:

    Liz Truss allies leaking she will let Sunak lose the next general election.

    Then once rid of Sunak and Hunt she will stand again for the party leadership to be Leader of the Opposition to PM Starmer

    https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1621818468407320578?s=20&t=qpFVaJbbb9vHlMXTEeVtxA

    Gove. Safe seat, tolerates thankless jobs, would actually be good at it.
    They could do a lot worse, especially if you think along Michael Howard lines- he won't win himself, but he can placehold until the next generation is ready.

    But, like all the solutions to the Conservatives' problems, it requires the Conservatives to collectively acknowledge that they are in a deep hole.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,165

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Liz Truss allies leaking she will let Sunak lose the next general election.

    Then once rid of Sunak and Hunt she will stand again for the party leadership to be Leader of the Opposition to PM Starmer

    https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1621818468407320578?s=20&t=qpFVaJbbb9vHlMXTEeVtxA

    LET Sunak lose?

    As if she had any influence on that event!
    Careful.
    She killed the Queen.
    Her powers are simply terrifying.
    A valid point, though I do wonder whether HM held it together enough to ensure Johnson wasn't PM for her funeral.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,300

    DougSeal said:

    *Blushes*

    Such modesty may be fitting, but not in the Site's best tradition. Stand proud like our beloved leaders.

    Btw, how can one tell when a seal blushes?
    They post on PB to let you know. Obviously.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,319
    carnforth said:

    Someone just sent me a photo of box of 500g of blueberries for £9.99.

    I have also heard rumours of a flat white for sale at £4.75.

    Why aren’t Britons rioting?

    Probably too busy at Tesco buying the blueberries for £3.60:

    https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/301514109

    (The reviews say they are tasteless. I say, what do you expect? They are blueberries. Maybe £9.99 gets some good ones.)
    I don’t like blueberries either, except in muffins or as jam etc.

    I’m just shocked that someone priced them at 9.99 and expects someone to buy them.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    carnforth said:

    Someone just sent me a photo of box of 500g of blueberries for £9.99.

    I have also heard rumours of a flat white for sale at £4.75.

    Why aren’t Britons rioting?

    Probably too busy at Tesco buying the blueberries for £3.60:

    https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/301514109

    (The reviews say they are tasteless. I say, what do you expect? They are blueberries. Maybe £9.99 gets some good ones.)
    I don’t like blueberries either, except in muffins or as jam etc.

    I’m just shocked that someone priced them at 9.99 and expects someone to buy them.
    They are quite a long way out of season.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,319
    edited February 2023
    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Truss is a keen fan of the works of Rick Perlstein, who has written a multi-volume history of the American Right, starting with Barry Goldwater.

    I’m half way through the first one, it’s very good.

    Truss is an ideological libertarian, more than any other UK Tory Leader before her was.

    Basically she is Barry Goldwater or Rand Paul in a skirt

    Rick Perlstein is not a fan of Barry Goldwater, to put it mildly.
    I’m only half way through, but I don’t quite get that impression. Goldwater seems a bit of an Enoch Powell; ideologically irascible but personally otherworldly to the point of naïveté.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,165

    Someone just sent me a photo of box of 500g of blueberries for £9.99.

    I have also heard rumours of a flat white for sale at £4.75.

    Why aren’t Britons rioting?

    Anyone paying that is either too thick, too rich, or both to riot.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008

    DJ41a said:

    HYUFD said:

    Liz Truss allies leaking she will let Sunak lose the next general election.

    Then once rid of Sunak and Hunt she will stand again for the party leadership to be Leader of the Opposition to PM Starmer

    https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1621818468407320578?s=20&t=qpFVaJbbb9vHlMXTEeVtxA

    Why would her allies say something like that?
    One of those morbid signs that a party is beginning to give up, and longs to be able to ignore reality from the safety of opposition. There was quite a lot of chuntering along those lines in the run-up to 1997
    Indeed, by 1996 rightwing Tories were planning on letting Major lose the 1997 general election then reviving the Thatcherite flame in Opposition under Michael Portillo.

    Until the electors of Enfield Southgate intervened of course!
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,882
    Regarding Mr. Gill's earlier 'comments' on this site, I do wonder if these people actually believe in what they type, or if they've thought through the logical conclusion if they were ever to 'win' the war they think they're fighting.

    Like Tucker Carlson, who spends his days bashing vaccines yet has made sure he's fully jabbed, they're doing it for the money I suppose.

    But if they won, and I mean truly won, they'd hate the world they helped create. A vaccineless world, where death was a lot more common and Russia ruled everything. No chance to vote, express an opinion or anything. The boot stamping on the human face forever.
    And of course, their usefulness at an end, they'd be first to be liquidated by the regime anyway......

    Strange mindset. I can't understand how they do it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,300
    edited February 2023

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Truss is a keen fan of the works of Rick Perlstein, who has written a multi-volume history of the American Right, starting with Barry Goldwater.

    I’m half way through the first one, it’s very good.

    Truss is an ideological libertarian, more than any other UK Tory Leader before her was.

    Basically she is Barry Goldwater or Rand Paul in a skirt

    Rick Perlstein is not a fan of Barry Goldwater, to put it mildly.
    I’m only half way through, but I don’t quite get that impression. Goldwater seems a bit of an Enoch Powell; ideologically irascible but personally otherworldly to the point of naïveté.
    He’s a pretty good writer on political history, so it’s not a one sided polemic.
    Bill Kristol: "It's an amazing story, and Perlstein, a man of the left, does it justice."

    Conservatives were less happy about the later books.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,731
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  • German public opinion on allowing its tanks to be sent to Ukraine is striking:

    75% of Green voters back sending tanks, vs just 6% of AfD.

    Really shows how the Greens have embraced pragmatism (see also agreeing to keep nuclear pants open), while AfD captured by pro-Russian nuts.


    https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1621807289970704384
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,354
    14D Pigeon Chess Post:

    What if Sunak is pretty chilled with his appointment of a rogues' gallery of Johnsonites and is perfectly content to let several iterations of bad news cycles take their course.

    By drawing out the agony and then hanging them out at appropriate spacing along a metaphorical Appian Way, the Zahawis, Raabs and Bravermans of this world return to the
    back benches as total wash outs rather than
    potential troublemakers. In entertaining this theory, let's relish the humiliation it would
    require for Spartacus Johnson himself.

    Probably just me entertaining myself, but I'll put the thought out there.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008
    edited February 2023

    German public opinion on allowing its tanks to be sent to Ukraine is striking:

    75% of Green voters back sending tanks, vs just 6% of AfD.

    Really shows how the Greens have embraced pragmatism (see also agreeing to keep nuclear pants open), while AfD captured by pro-Russian nuts.


    https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1621807289970704384

    Only 31% of Linke voters also pro sending tanks, so as usual far left and far right united behind Putin.

    64% of CDU voters and 61% of SPD voters and 55% of FDP voters like the Greens back sending tanks to Zelensky
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,419
    Nigelb said:

    DougSeal said:

    *Blushes*

    Such modesty may be fitting, but not in the Site's best tradition. Stand proud like our beloved leaders.

    Btw, how can one tell when a seal blushes?
    They post on PB to let you know. Obviously.
    A photo will be sufficient. Here is a picture of Mr Seal, and the elucidation for those who want to know more.

    https://www.sciencephoto.com/media/664482/view/walrus-bull-resting

    https://www.gi.alaska.edu/alaska-science-forum/why-does-walrus-blush
  • DougSeal said:

    carnforth said:

    Someone just sent me a photo of box of 500g of blueberries for £9.99.

    I have also heard rumours of a flat white for sale at £4.75.

    Why aren’t Britons rioting?

    Probably too busy at Tesco buying the blueberries for £3.60:

    https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/301514109

    (The reviews say they are tasteless. I say, what do you expect? They are blueberries. Maybe £9.99 gets some good ones.)
    I don’t like blueberries either, except in muffins or as jam etc.

    I’m just shocked that someone priced them at 9.99 and expects someone to buy them.
    They are quite a long way out of season.
    Not in Peru and Morocco they’re not - where I got 450g for £5.20 today..
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,300

    Regarding Mr. Gill's earlier 'comments' on this site, I do wonder if these people actually believe in what they type, or if they've thought through the logical conclusion if they were ever to 'win' the war they think they're fighting.

    Like Tucker Carlson, who spends his days bashing vaccines yet has made sure he's fully jabbed, they're doing it for the money I suppose.

    But if they won, and I mean truly won, they'd hate the world they helped create. A vaccineless world, where death was a lot more common and Russia ruled everything. No chance to vote, express an opinion or anything. The boot stamping on the human face forever.
    And of course, their usefulness at an end, they'd be first to be liquidated by the regime anyway......

    Strange mindset. I can't understand how they do it.

    A large part of it is about the grift.
    Being a prominent anti-vaxxer can certainly be very profitable.
  • DJ41aDJ41a Posts: 174
    HYUFD said:

    DJ41a said:

    HYUFD said:

    Liz Truss allies leaking she will let Sunak lose the next general election.

    Then once rid of Sunak and Hunt she will stand again for the party leadership to be Leader of the Opposition to PM Starmer

    https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1621818468407320578?s=20&t=qpFVaJbbb9vHlMXTEeVtxA

    Why would her allies say something like that?
    So Sunak takes the hit for the defeat not her.

    She would hope Johnson and Hunt lose their marginal seats too, then launch her comeback on a low tax agenda v a high tax Labour government
    I understand why she might think like that, but why would her allies brief the press to that effect? If she must say anything at all, why not just say she is loyal to Sunak, doesn't set much stock in the polls, and has faith that the British people will once again vote for a Tory administration rather than for a return to the trade union rule of the high-tax 1970s, etc. etc. Saying she will "let" the Tories lose the next election only goes down well with the minority who want to go into opposition.
  • HYUFD said:

    DJ41a said:

    HYUFD said:

    Liz Truss allies leaking she will let Sunak lose the next general election.

    Then once rid of Sunak and Hunt she will stand again for the party leadership to be Leader of the Opposition to PM Starmer

    https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1621818468407320578?s=20&t=qpFVaJbbb9vHlMXTEeVtxA

    Why would her allies say something like that?
    One of those morbid signs that a party is beginning to give up, and longs to be able to ignore reality from the safety of opposition. There was quite a lot of chuntering along those lines in the run-up to 1997
    Indeed, by 1996 rightwing Tories were planning on letting Major lose the 1997 general election then reviving the Thatcherite flame in Opposition under Michael Portillo.

    Until the electors of Enfield Southgate intervened of course!
    Which is the danger of embracing defeat- it risks turning that defeat into a rout that will take a decade or more to recover from. Though even Portillo's personal survival in 1997 was unlikely to end in him becoming Prime Minister.

    Even if a party knows it's going to lose, even if it knows defeat is probably for the best, it still has to fight to win.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,650
    I’m a Onana fan 😍
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,300
    The worst aspect of this isn’t the money (though that it damaging); it’s the brain drain.
    (And obviously this doesn’t just affect Oxbridge.)

    Brexit causes collapse in European research funding for Oxbridge
    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2023/feb/04/brexit-causes-collapse-in-european-research-funding-for-oxbridge-universities
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,560

    I’m a Onana fan 😍

    Does that make you an Onanist?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,689
    Zero kudos having not tipped it before the match but I did Everton @ 9.6.

    Great price - esp now.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,650
    boulay said:

    I’m a Onana fan 😍

    Does that make you an Onanist?
    Today for sure - GF has gone to bed with a headache after all that football fun.

    Now the racing 😋
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,047

    DougSeal said:

    carnforth said:

    Someone just sent me a photo of box of 500g of blueberries for £9.99.

    I have also heard rumours of a flat white for sale at £4.75.

    Why aren’t Britons rioting?

    Probably too busy at Tesco buying the blueberries for £3.60:

    https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/301514109

    (The reviews say they are tasteless. I say, what do you expect? They are blueberries. Maybe £9.99 gets some good ones.)
    I don’t like blueberries either, except in muffins or as jam etc.

    I’m just shocked that someone priced them at 9.99 and expects someone to buy them.
    They are quite a long way out of season.
    Not in Peru and Morocco they’re not - where I got 450g for £5.20 today..
    Peru and Morocco is the new hipster Fortnum and Masons store, right?
  • Sir Keir must be floating. Imagine the campaign he can run when the time comes to secure his second term.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,208
    HYUFD said:

    German public opinion on allowing its tanks to be sent to Ukraine is striking:

    75% of Green voters back sending tanks, vs just 6% of AfD.

    Really shows how the Greens have embraced pragmatism (see also agreeing to keep nuclear pants open), while AfD captured by pro-Russian nuts.


    https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1621807289970704384

    Only 31% of Linke voters also pro sending tanks, so as usual far left and far right united behind Putin.

    64% of CDU voters and 61% of SPD voters and 55% of FDP voters like the Greens back sending tanks to Zelensky
    Of course die Linke have a long-standing policy of opposing all German arms exports. On Ukraine they are very split, and the lack of coherence on this (and lots of other things) means they are likely to sink even further into irrelevance.
  • Nigelb said:

    The worst aspect of this isn’t the money (though that it damaging); it’s the brain drain.
    (And obviously this doesn’t just affect Oxbridge.)

    Brexit causes collapse in European research funding for Oxbridge
    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2023/feb/04/brexit-causes-collapse-in-european-research-funding-for-oxbridge-universities

    Our top universities along with the financial sector are pretty much the only part of our economy that has a seat at the top table globally. Brexit has damaged both.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,811

    Sir Keir must be floating. Imagine the campaign he can run when the time comes to secure his second term.

    Something about ‘stability and strong government with me, or chaos with Truss?’
  • On topic - how incredible. This kind of crazy thinking seems to have infected the Tory brain since at least 2016. I blame Boris Jonestown.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,811
    kamski said:

    HYUFD said:

    German public opinion on allowing its tanks to be sent to Ukraine is striking:

    75% of Green voters back sending tanks, vs just 6% of AfD.

    Really shows how the Greens have embraced pragmatism (see also agreeing to keep nuclear pants open), while AfD captured by pro-Russian nuts.


    https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1621807289970704384

    Only 31% of Linke voters also pro sending tanks, so as usual far left and far right united behind Putin.

    64% of CDU voters and 61% of SPD voters and 55% of FDP voters like the Greens back sending tanks to Zelensky
    Of course die Linke have a long-standing policy of opposing all German arms exports. On Ukraine they are very split, and the lack of coherence on this (and lots of other things) means they are likely to sink even further into irrelevance.
    They used to be big on sending things to Russia, of course…
  • I think the Irish are the only thing that will cheer me up in today’s rugby.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,699

    Someone just sent me a photo of box of 500g of blueberries for £9.99.

    I have also heard rumours of a flat white for sale at £4.75.

    Why aren’t Britons rioting?

    Which shop? Not bloody Aldi I’m betting. Blueberries are rather out of season in Feb.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,173
    The Tories calling upon Loopy Liz to make “The catastrophe II” to a film that flopped at the box office first time around, would be the height of stupidity, up with making brain-dead former soldier IDS the party leader last time they were in opposition.

    Aside from anything else, the mere sight of her will remind voters of the abject disaster she inflicted upon us first time around. How is that ever going to be an election-winning proposition? It would be like Labour putting up Gordon Brown as prospective PM in 2015.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,173

    First rate like @DougSeal's abilities.

    Always being first on your own posts is such a bad look. Have you no shame?
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,714
    edited February 2023

    On topic - how incredible. This kind of crazy thinking seems to have infected the Tory brain since at least 2016. I blame Boris Jonestown.

    Yes. With the insanity of Liz Truss drawing most of the attention, it's easy to forget that Boris was a considerable oddball himself. It's possible that the man has destroyed the Tory party as a potent political force for ever. It doesn't always feel that way now because they're still in power, but after the next election if the opinion polls are anything to go by...? Who knows?
  • IanB2 said:

    First rate like @DougSeal's abilities.

    Always being first on your own posts is such a bad look. Have you no shame?
    I have no sense of shame, that way my other senses are enhanced.

    OGH and I post first just to see that Vanilla is working ok.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,481
    Bloody Kopites.
    Their rank incompetence is gonna keep EFC in the bottom three.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,196
    edited February 2023
    Foxy said:

    Someone just sent me a photo of box of 500g of blueberries for £9.99.

    I have also heard rumours of a flat white for sale at £4.75.

    Why aren’t Britons rioting?

    Anyone paying that is either too thick, too rich, or both to riot.
    Hmmm

    https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/gol-ui/product/sainsburys-blueberries-500g

    There are “specialty” veg shops which charge lots, of course. There’s one locally that claims all their vegetables are organic, ethical, free range and cruelty free. Or some such. I doubt blueberries there would be under a tenner for 200g.

    Edit : the price of coffee is basically the price of labour plus a bit for the lighting, leccy, heating, WiFi and profit. There’s a few pennies in there for the coffee itself.
  • dixiedean said:

    Bloody Kopites.
    Their rank incompetence is gonna keep EFC in the bottom three.

    For the greater good.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,300

    IanB2 said:

    First rate like @DougSeal's abilities.

    Always being first on your own posts is such a bad look. Have you no shame?
    I have no sense of shame, that way my other senses are enhanced.

    OGH and I post first just to see that Vanilla is working ok.
    It also prevents the otherwise unseemly scramble for the position.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,811

    IanB2 said:

    First rate like @DougSeal's abilities.

    Always being first on your own posts is such a bad look. Have you no shame?
    I have no sense of shame, that way my other senses are enhanced.

    OGH and I post first just to see that Vanilla is working ok.
    Just as Dominic Cummings only went to Durham because in London - a city of nine million people where he was the most powerful man in the government - there was nobody to look after his son. :wink:
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,811

    I think the Irish are the only thing that will cheer me up in today’s rugby.

    Fecking Irish.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    What is quite surprising is the idea that Truss has 'allies'. I can understand why you might sympathise with her, but how can she seriously be regarded as the answer to anything, she is universally regarded as a joke and a failure. The mind boggles. Surely you would support someone else?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,300

    Foxy said:

    Someone just sent me a photo of box of 500g of blueberries for £9.99.

    I have also heard rumours of a flat white for sale at £4.75.

    Why aren’t Britons rioting?

    Anyone paying that is either too thick, too rich, or both to riot.
    Hmmm

    https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/gol-ui/product/sainsburys-blueberries-500g

    There are “specialty” veg shops which charge lots, of course. There’s one locally that claims all their vegetables are organic, ethical, free range and cruelty free. Or some such. I doubt blueberries there would be under a tenner for 200g….
    Is cruelty to blueberries really a thing ?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,811
    edited February 2023
    darkage said:

    What is quite surprising is the idea that Truss has 'allies'. I can understand why you might sympathise with her, but how can she seriously be regarded as the answer to anything, she is universally regarded as a joke and a failure. The mind boggles. Surely you would support someone else?

    Now that's not fair.

    She is the answer to the following:

    'Who was Britain's shortest serving Prime Minister, disallowing those who were unable to form a cabinet?'

    'Who was Prime Minister when the shortest serving Chancellor who did not die in office was in the role?'

    'Who was Prime Minister when Queen Elizabeth II died?'

    'Who was the only Prime Minister to take office in Scotland?'

    'Who was the only Prime Minister to be appointed without winning the support of a majority of MPs in a ballot since 1964?'

    'Who had the silliest Downing Street lectern?'

    That's enough to guarantee her a place in the history books, alongside the likes of the great Spencer Perceval and Lord Goderich.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,927
    edited February 2023
    IanB2 said:

    The Tories calling upon Loopy Liz to make “The catastrophe II” to a film that flopped at the box office first time around, would be the height of stupidity, up with making brain-dead former soldier IDS the party leader last time they were in opposition.

    Aside from anything else, the mere sight of her will remind voters of the abject disaster she inflicted upon us first time around. How is that ever going to be an election-winning proposition? It would be like Labour putting up Gordon Brown as prospective PM in 2015.

    Well. The British do love an underdog.

    "The heartwarming true story of how an Oxford graduate overcame the twin hardships of rank incompetence, and a disastrous, record-breaking initial stint in the job to return triumphantly as Britain's most respected Prime Minister - and saved a nation. This Lady's for Returning."
  • TresTres Posts: 2,724
    Truss (or some Tufton St guru on her behalf) is writing a 3,000 word article in the Sunday Telegraph tomorrow. That's 60 words per day.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,196
    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Someone just sent me a photo of box of 500g of blueberries for £9.99.

    I have also heard rumours of a flat white for sale at £4.75.

    Why aren’t Britons rioting?

    Anyone paying that is either too thick, too rich, or both to riot.
    Hmmm

    https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/gol-ui/product/sainsburys-blueberries-500g

    There are “specialty” veg shops which charge lots, of course. There’s one locally that claims all their vegetables are organic, ethical, free range and cruelty free. Or some such. I doubt blueberries there would be under a tenner for 200g….
    Is cruelty to blueberries really a thing ?
    I have no idea. And know better than to google for it.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0EwcwCXMAQqIug?format=jpg&name=small
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,714
    edited February 2023
    darkage said:

    What is quite surprising is the idea that Truss has 'allies'. I can understand why you might sympathise with her, but how can she seriously be regarded as the answer to anything, she is universally regarded as a joke and a failure. The mind boggles. Surely you would support someone else?

    I suspect it's not so much Truss herself as what she represents. Remember, no end of 'think tanks' and putting-the-world-to-rights conservative pundits have carved a niche espousing the type of policies he attempted to enact. If she fails they fail. It's all a desperate attempt to stop that spark from dying.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,300
    @MoonRabbit was asking the last couple of days about Ukrainian civilians on the front line.
    This article gives a hint of the reality.
    https://kyivindependent.com/national/one-night-in-bakhmut-inside-the-bleak-world-of-citys-civilians-as-russia-draws-closer
  • darkage said:

    What is quite surprising is the idea that Truss has 'allies'. I can understand why you might sympathise with her, but how can she seriously be regarded as the answer to anything, she is universally regarded as a joke and a failure. The mind boggles. Surely you would support someone else?

    That means finding someone else with that set of beliefs who would be more attractive to the public.

    When you look at the cabinet she chose,

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truss_ministry

    it's possible that Truss Reborn is the best they can come up with.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,173

    IanB2 said:

    The Tories calling upon Loopy Liz to make “The catastrophe II” to a film that flopped at the box office first time around, would be the height of stupidity, up with making brain-dead former soldier IDS the party leader last time they were in opposition.

    Aside from anything else, the mere sight of her will remind voters of the abject disaster she inflicted upon us first time around. How is that ever going to be an election-winning proposition? It would be like Labour putting up Gordon Brown as prospective PM in 2015.

    Well. The British do love an underdog.

    "The heartwarming true story of how an Oxford graduate overcame the twin hardships of rank incompetence, and a disastrous, record-breaking initial stint in the job to return triumphantly as Britain's most respected Prime Minister - and saved a nation. This Lady's for Returning."
    Brits are sensible enough to know that if you've flushed and something unwelcome reappears, the right response is to flush again.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,970
    edited February 2023
    Another article, this time in The Times, saying that AI is coming and it may make nearly all of us third-class citizens. Well, in that case, why don't we refuse to accept it? Turkeys don't usually vote for Christmas.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-future-is-ai-but-will-it-allow-humans-to-play-a-part-m39m736hm
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,033
    The vast majority of brits will look back to the disastrous “mini budget” and conclude - quite clearly - that Truss was incompetent

    That sort of impression won’t just shift because suddenly the Tories are in opposition.

    We don’t even know how many of the current lot will keep their seats - I’m expecting a neat extinction level event for them. Let’s see them try to embrace that
  • darkage said:

    What is quite surprising is the idea that Truss has 'allies'. I can understand why you might sympathise with her, but how can she seriously be regarded as the answer to anything, she is universally regarded as a joke and a failure. The mind boggles. Surely you would support someone else?

    That means finding someone else with that set of beliefs who would be more attractive to the public.

    When you look at the cabinet she chose,

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truss_ministry

    it's possible that Truss Reborn is the best they can come up with.
    Penny 'global phenomenon' Mordaunt was in there. Odd that Liz has been touted as a Messiahess but she hasn't (yet).
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,300
    Remember Igor Mangushev, the Russian merc who brandished a skull he said had belonged to one of the Azovstal defenders? He's just been shot in the head. So what?
    A short thread on some wider dynamics in the Prigozhin empire 1/

    https://mobile.twitter.com/MarkGaleotti/status/1621862756591738880
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,040
    HYUFD said: "Basically she is Barry Goldwater or Rand Paul in a skirt"

    Rand Paul? Now that is cruel. I don't know enough about Liz Truss to say whether that's cruel but fair, or just cruel. But I doubt that, for example, she has a father who has dabbled in racism.
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