I suppose she thinks she "won the argument" by saying we need to "grow the pie". As opposed to just robotically chuntering what in a crowded field is one of the most facile platitudes in modern British politics.
Real Trussism hasn't been tried yet. She had to go against her convictions by subsidising energy which led to the communication failure over the budget.
Real Trussism hasn't been tried yet. She had to go against her convictions by subsidising energy which led to the communication failure over the budget.
Another entry in the long list of social and political experiments that “haven’t been tried properly” after Communism, Morris Dancing and Brexit.
I love the line that Liz Truss "tried to do too much". Never mind was it good or bad. Shift the focus to the amount of it, or the speed of it, with the unstated assumption that it was good because it must have been good, because people like her have white skins are part of the Tories' DNA.
The Times are only saying this sh*t because they gotta say something about the ongoing fighting in top Tory circles while Raab hasn't even been sacked yet and Sunak hasn't managed to get it together enough to appoint a replacement for Zahawi as chairman.
It’s minus 15 but “feels like” minus 23 when you account for wind-chill. The only people out and about are the mentally unwell and homeless (pretty much the same thing).
we're never gonna survive unless we get a little crazy.
But this is surely too crazy. The fact that Truss wants to come back ought to disqualify her. For her own peace of mind, if nothing else.
Same for the other ex-PM on manoeuvres.
Baby, I compare Truss to a kiss from a rose on the grey Ooh, the more I get, the stranger it feels, yeah And now that her rose is in bloom A light hits the gloom on the grey
It’s minus 15 but “feels like” minus 23 when you account for wind-chill. The only people out and about are the mentally unwell and homeless (pretty much the same thing).
The wife’s moaning about the weather today. She’s off to visit her family in New Haven CT on Thursday.
(chuckles slightly but while she’s in a different room)
One of those morbid signs that a party is beginning to give up, and longs to be able to ignore reality from the safety of opposition. There was quite a lot of chuntering along those lines in the run-up to 1997
Gove. Safe seat, tolerates thankless jobs, would actually be good at it.
They could do a lot worse, especially if you think along Michael Howard lines- he won't win himself, but he can placehold until the next generation is ready.
But, like all the solutions to the Conservatives' problems, it requires the Conservatives to collectively acknowledge that they are in a deep hole.
Truss is a keen fan of the works of Rick Perlstein, who has written a multi-volume history of the American Right, starting with Barry Goldwater.
I’m half way through the first one, it’s very good.
Truss is an ideological libertarian, more than any other UK Tory Leader before her was.
Basically she is Barry Goldwater or Rand Paul in a skirt
Rick Perlstein is not a fan of Barry Goldwater, to put it mildly.
I’m only half way through, but I don’t quite get that impression. Goldwater seems a bit of an Enoch Powell; ideologically irascible but personally otherworldly to the point of naïveté.
One of those morbid signs that a party is beginning to give up, and longs to be able to ignore reality from the safety of opposition. There was quite a lot of chuntering along those lines in the run-up to 1997
Indeed, by 1996 rightwing Tories were planning on letting Major lose the 1997 general election then reviving the Thatcherite flame in Opposition under Michael Portillo.
Until the electors of Enfield Southgate intervened of course!
Regarding Mr. Gill's earlier 'comments' on this site, I do wonder if these people actually believe in what they type, or if they've thought through the logical conclusion if they were ever to 'win' the war they think they're fighting.
Like Tucker Carlson, who spends his days bashing vaccines yet has made sure he's fully jabbed, they're doing it for the money I suppose.
But if they won, and I mean truly won, they'd hate the world they helped create. A vaccineless world, where death was a lot more common and Russia ruled everything. No chance to vote, express an opinion or anything. The boot stamping on the human face forever. And of course, their usefulness at an end, they'd be first to be liquidated by the regime anyway......
Strange mindset. I can't understand how they do it.
Truss is a keen fan of the works of Rick Perlstein, who has written a multi-volume history of the American Right, starting with Barry Goldwater.
I’m half way through the first one, it’s very good.
Truss is an ideological libertarian, more than any other UK Tory Leader before her was.
Basically she is Barry Goldwater or Rand Paul in a skirt
Rick Perlstein is not a fan of Barry Goldwater, to put it mildly.
I’m only half way through, but I don’t quite get that impression. Goldwater seems a bit of an Enoch Powell; ideologically irascible but personally otherworldly to the point of naïveté.
He’s a pretty good writer on political history, so it’s not a one sided polemic. Bill Kristol: "It's an amazing story, and Perlstein, a man of the left, does it justice."
Conservatives were less happy about the later books.
What if Sunak is pretty chilled with his appointment of a rogues' gallery of Johnsonites and is perfectly content to let several iterations of bad news cycles take their course.
By drawing out the agony and then hanging them out at appropriate spacing along a metaphorical Appian Way, the Zahawis, Raabs and Bravermans of this world return to the back benches as total wash outs rather than potential troublemakers. In entertaining this theory, let's relish the humiliation it would require for Spartacus Johnson himself.
Probably just me entertaining myself, but I'll put the thought out there.
Regarding Mr. Gill's earlier 'comments' on this site, I do wonder if these people actually believe in what they type, or if they've thought through the logical conclusion if they were ever to 'win' the war they think they're fighting.
Like Tucker Carlson, who spends his days bashing vaccines yet has made sure he's fully jabbed, they're doing it for the money I suppose.
But if they won, and I mean truly won, they'd hate the world they helped create. A vaccineless world, where death was a lot more common and Russia ruled everything. No chance to vote, express an opinion or anything. The boot stamping on the human face forever. And of course, their usefulness at an end, they'd be first to be liquidated by the regime anyway......
Strange mindset. I can't understand how they do it.
A large part of it is about the grift. Being a prominent anti-vaxxer can certainly be very profitable.
She would hope Johnson and Hunt lose their marginal seats too, then launch her comeback on a low tax agenda v a high tax Labour government
I understand why she might think like that, but why would her allies brief the press to that effect? If she must say anything at all, why not just say she is loyal to Sunak, doesn't set much stock in the polls, and has faith that the British people will once again vote for a Tory administration rather than for a return to the trade union rule of the high-tax 1970s, etc. etc. Saying she will "let" the Tories lose the next election only goes down well with the minority who want to go into opposition.
One of those morbid signs that a party is beginning to give up, and longs to be able to ignore reality from the safety of opposition. There was quite a lot of chuntering along those lines in the run-up to 1997
Indeed, by 1996 rightwing Tories were planning on letting Major lose the 1997 general election then reviving the Thatcherite flame in Opposition under Michael Portillo.
Until the electors of Enfield Southgate intervened of course!
Which is the danger of embracing defeat- it risks turning that defeat into a rout that will take a decade or more to recover from. Though even Portillo's personal survival in 1997 was unlikely to end in him becoming Prime Minister.
Even if a party knows it's going to lose, even if it knows defeat is probably for the best, it still has to fight to win.
Only 31% of Linke voters also pro sending tanks, so as usual far left and far right united behind Putin.
64% of CDU voters and 61% of SPD voters and 55% of FDP voters like the Greens back sending tanks to Zelensky
Of course die Linke have a long-standing policy of opposing all German arms exports. On Ukraine they are very split, and the lack of coherence on this (and lots of other things) means they are likely to sink even further into irrelevance.
Our top universities along with the financial sector are pretty much the only part of our economy that has a seat at the top table globally. Brexit has damaged both.
Only 31% of Linke voters also pro sending tanks, so as usual far left and far right united behind Putin.
64% of CDU voters and 61% of SPD voters and 55% of FDP voters like the Greens back sending tanks to Zelensky
Of course die Linke have a long-standing policy of opposing all German arms exports. On Ukraine they are very split, and the lack of coherence on this (and lots of other things) means they are likely to sink even further into irrelevance.
They used to be big on sending things to Russia, of course…
The Tories calling upon Loopy Liz to make “The catastrophe II” to a film that flopped at the box office first time around, would be the height of stupidity, up with making brain-dead former soldier IDS the party leader last time they were in opposition.
Aside from anything else, the mere sight of her will remind voters of the abject disaster she inflicted upon us first time around. How is that ever going to be an election-winning proposition? It would be like Labour putting up Gordon Brown as prospective PM in 2015.
On topic - how incredible. This kind of crazy thinking seems to have infected the Tory brain since at least 2016. I blame Boris Jonestown.
Yes. With the insanity of Liz Truss drawing most of the attention, it's easy to forget that Boris was a considerable oddball himself. It's possible that the man has destroyed the Tory party as a potent political force for ever. It doesn't always feel that way now because they're still in power, but after the next election if the opinion polls are anything to go by...? Who knows?
There are “specialty” veg shops which charge lots, of course. There’s one locally that claims all their vegetables are organic, ethical, free range and cruelty free. Or some such. I doubt blueberries there would be under a tenner for 200g.
Edit : the price of coffee is basically the price of labour plus a bit for the lighting, leccy, heating, WiFi and profit. There’s a few pennies in there for the coffee itself.
Always being first on your own posts is such a bad look. Have you no shame?
I have no sense of shame, that way my other senses are enhanced.
OGH and I post first just to see that Vanilla is working ok.
Just as Dominic Cummings only went to Durham because in London - a city of nine million people where he was the most powerful man in the government - there was nobody to look after his son.
What is quite surprising is the idea that Truss has 'allies'. I can understand why you might sympathise with her, but how can she seriously be regarded as the answer to anything, she is universally regarded as a joke and a failure. The mind boggles. Surely you would support someone else?
There are “specialty” veg shops which charge lots, of course. There’s one locally that claims all their vegetables are organic, ethical, free range and cruelty free. Or some such. I doubt blueberries there would be under a tenner for 200g….
What is quite surprising is the idea that Truss has 'allies'. I can understand why you might sympathise with her, but how can she seriously be regarded as the answer to anything, she is universally regarded as a joke and a failure. The mind boggles. Surely you would support someone else?
Now that's not fair.
She is the answer to the following:
'Who was Britain's shortest serving Prime Minister, disallowing those who were unable to form a cabinet?'
'Who was Prime Minister when the shortest serving Chancellor who did not die in office was in the role?'
'Who was Prime Minister when Queen Elizabeth II died?'
'Who was the only Prime Minister to take office in Scotland?'
'Who was the only Prime Minister to be appointed without winning the support of a majority of MPs in a ballot since 1964?'
'Who had the silliest Downing Street lectern?'
That's enough to guarantee her a place in the history books, alongside the likes of the great Spencer Perceval and Lord Goderich.
The Tories calling upon Loopy Liz to make “The catastrophe II” to a film that flopped at the box office first time around, would be the height of stupidity, up with making brain-dead former soldier IDS the party leader last time they were in opposition.
Aside from anything else, the mere sight of her will remind voters of the abject disaster she inflicted upon us first time around. How is that ever going to be an election-winning proposition? It would be like Labour putting up Gordon Brown as prospective PM in 2015.
Well. The British do love an underdog.
"The heartwarming true story of how an Oxford graduate overcame the twin hardships of rank incompetence, and a disastrous, record-breaking initial stint in the job to return triumphantly as Britain's most respected Prime Minister - and saved a nation. This Lady's for Returning."
There are “specialty” veg shops which charge lots, of course. There’s one locally that claims all their vegetables are organic, ethical, free range and cruelty free. Or some such. I doubt blueberries there would be under a tenner for 200g….
Is cruelty to blueberries really a thing ?
I have no idea. And know better than to google for it.
What is quite surprising is the idea that Truss has 'allies'. I can understand why you might sympathise with her, but how can she seriously be regarded as the answer to anything, she is universally regarded as a joke and a failure. The mind boggles. Surely you would support someone else?
I suspect it's not so much Truss herself as what she represents. Remember, no end of 'think tanks' and putting-the-world-to-rights conservative pundits have carved a niche espousing the type of policies he attempted to enact. If she fails they fail. It's all a desperate attempt to stop that spark from dying.
What is quite surprising is the idea that Truss has 'allies'. I can understand why you might sympathise with her, but how can she seriously be regarded as the answer to anything, she is universally regarded as a joke and a failure. The mind boggles. Surely you would support someone else?
That means finding someone else with that set of beliefs who would be more attractive to the public.
The Tories calling upon Loopy Liz to make “The catastrophe II” to a film that flopped at the box office first time around, would be the height of stupidity, up with making brain-dead former soldier IDS the party leader last time they were in opposition.
Aside from anything else, the mere sight of her will remind voters of the abject disaster she inflicted upon us first time around. How is that ever going to be an election-winning proposition? It would be like Labour putting up Gordon Brown as prospective PM in 2015.
Well. The British do love an underdog.
"The heartwarming true story of how an Oxford graduate overcame the twin hardships of rank incompetence, and a disastrous, record-breaking initial stint in the job to return triumphantly as Britain's most respected Prime Minister - and saved a nation. This Lady's for Returning."
Brits are sensible enough to know that if you've flushed and something unwelcome reappears, the right response is to flush again.
Another article, this time in The Times, saying that AI is coming and it may make nearly all of us third-class citizens. Well, in that case, why don't we refuse to accept it? Turkeys don't usually vote for Christmas.
The vast majority of brits will look back to the disastrous “mini budget” and conclude - quite clearly - that Truss was incompetent
That sort of impression won’t just shift because suddenly the Tories are in opposition.
We don’t even know how many of the current lot will keep their seats - I’m expecting a neat extinction level event for them. Let’s see them try to embrace that
What is quite surprising is the idea that Truss has 'allies'. I can understand why you might sympathise with her, but how can she seriously be regarded as the answer to anything, she is universally regarded as a joke and a failure. The mind boggles. Surely you would support someone else?
That means finding someone else with that set of beliefs who would be more attractive to the public.
Remember Igor Mangushev, the Russian merc who brandished a skull he said had belonged to one of the Azovstal defenders? He's just been shot in the head. So what? A short thread on some wider dynamics in the Prigozhin empire 1/ https://mobile.twitter.com/MarkGaleotti/status/1621862756591738880
HYUFD said: "Basically she is Barry Goldwater or Rand Paul in a skirt"
Rand Paul? Now that is cruel. I don't know enough about Liz Truss to say whether that's cruel but fair, or just cruel. But I doubt that, for example, she has a father who has dabbled in racism.
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Btw, how can one tell when a seal blushes?
And, unlike the many other numpties at the top of the Tory Party she is not grotesquely over-privileged, nor personally corrupt.
Ok, she’s as nutty as a walnut whip, but you can’t have everything.
we're never gonna survive unless we get a little crazy.
But this is surely too crazy. The fact that Truss wants to come back ought to disqualify her. For her own peace of mind, if nothing else.
Same for the other ex-PM on manoeuvres.
I’m half way through the first one, it’s very good.
The Times are only saying this sh*t because they gotta say something about the ongoing fighting in top Tory circles while Raab hasn't even been sacked yet and Sunak hasn't managed to get it together enough to appoint a replacement for Zahawi as chairman.
It’s minus 15 but “feels like” minus 23 when you account for wind-chill. The only people out and about are the mentally unwell and homeless (pretty much the same thing).
Then once rid of Sunak and Hunt she will stand again for the party leadership to be Leader of the Opposition to PM Starmer
https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1621818468407320578?s=20&t=qpFVaJbbb9vHlMXTEeVtxA
Ooh, the more I get, the stranger it feels, yeah
And now that her rose is in bloom
A light hits the gloom on the grey
(that one’s dedicated from me to @Luckyguy1983 )
Basically she is Barry Goldwater or Rand Paul in a skirt
As if she had any influence on that event!
(chuckles slightly but while she’s in a different room)
She would hope Johnson and Hunt lose their marginal seats too, then launch her comeback on a low tax agenda v a high tax Labour government
Even the shit-witted rump of Tories left after the next election aren’t that stupid.
She killed the Queen.
Her powers are simply terrifying.
I have also heard rumours of a flat white for sale at £4.75.
Why aren’t Britons rioting?
https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/301514109
(The reviews say they are tasteless. I say, what do you expect? They are blueberries. Maybe £9.99 gets some good ones.)
But, like all the solutions to the Conservatives' problems, it requires the Conservatives to collectively acknowledge that they are in a deep hole.
I’m just shocked that someone priced them at 9.99 and expects someone to buy them.
Until the electors of Enfield Southgate intervened of course!
Like Tucker Carlson, who spends his days bashing vaccines yet has made sure he's fully jabbed, they're doing it for the money I suppose.
But if they won, and I mean truly won, they'd hate the world they helped create. A vaccineless world, where death was a lot more common and Russia ruled everything. No chance to vote, express an opinion or anything. The boot stamping on the human face forever.
And of course, their usefulness at an end, they'd be first to be liquidated by the regime anyway......
Strange mindset. I can't understand how they do it.
Bill Kristol: "It's an amazing story, and Perlstein, a man of the left, does it justice."
Conservatives were less happy about the later books.
75% of Green voters back sending tanks, vs just 6% of AfD.
Really shows how the Greens have embraced pragmatism (see also agreeing to keep nuclear pants open), while AfD captured by pro-Russian nuts.
https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1621807289970704384
What if Sunak is pretty chilled with his appointment of a rogues' gallery of Johnsonites and is perfectly content to let several iterations of bad news cycles take their course.
By drawing out the agony and then hanging them out at appropriate spacing along a metaphorical Appian Way, the Zahawis, Raabs and Bravermans of this world return to the
back benches as total wash outs rather than
potential troublemakers. In entertaining this theory, let's relish the humiliation it would
require for Spartacus Johnson himself.
Probably just me entertaining myself, but I'll put the thought out there.
64% of CDU voters and 61% of SPD voters and 55% of FDP voters like the Greens back sending tanks to Zelensky
https://www.sciencephoto.com/media/664482/view/walrus-bull-resting
https://www.gi.alaska.edu/alaska-science-forum/why-does-walrus-blush
Being a prominent anti-vaxxer can certainly be very profitable.
Even if a party knows it's going to lose, even if it knows defeat is probably for the best, it still has to fight to win.
(And obviously this doesn’t just affect Oxbridge.)
Brexit causes collapse in European research funding for Oxbridge
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2023/feb/04/brexit-causes-collapse-in-european-research-funding-for-oxbridge-universities
Great price - esp now.
Now the racing 😋
Aside from anything else, the mere sight of her will remind voters of the abject disaster she inflicted upon us first time around. How is that ever going to be an election-winning proposition? It would be like Labour putting up Gordon Brown as prospective PM in 2015.
OGH and I post first just to see that Vanilla is working ok.
Their rank incompetence is gonna keep EFC in the bottom three.
https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/gol-ui/product/sainsburys-blueberries-500g
There are “specialty” veg shops which charge lots, of course. There’s one locally that claims all their vegetables are organic, ethical, free range and cruelty free. Or some such. I doubt blueberries there would be under a tenner for 200g.
Edit : the price of coffee is basically the price of labour plus a bit for the lighting, leccy, heating, WiFi and profit. There’s a few pennies in there for the coffee itself.
She is the answer to the following:
'Who was Britain's shortest serving Prime Minister, disallowing those who were unable to form a cabinet?'
'Who was Prime Minister when the shortest serving Chancellor who did not die in office was in the role?'
'Who was Prime Minister when Queen Elizabeth II died?'
'Who was the only Prime Minister to take office in Scotland?'
'Who was the only Prime Minister to be appointed without winning the support of a majority of MPs in a ballot since 1964?'
'Who had the silliest Downing Street lectern?'
That's enough to guarantee her a place in the history books, alongside the likes of the great Spencer Perceval and Lord Goderich.
"The heartwarming true story of how an Oxford graduate overcame the twin hardships of rank incompetence, and a disastrous, record-breaking initial stint in the job to return triumphantly as Britain's most respected Prime Minister - and saved a nation. This Lady's for Returning."
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0EwcwCXMAQqIug?format=jpg&name=small
This article gives a hint of the reality.
https://kyivindependent.com/national/one-night-in-bakhmut-inside-the-bleak-world-of-citys-civilians-as-russia-draws-closer
When you look at the cabinet she chose,
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truss_ministry
it's possible that Truss Reborn is the best they can come up with.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-future-is-ai-but-will-it-allow-humans-to-play-a-part-m39m736hm
That sort of impression won’t just shift because suddenly the Tories are in opposition.
We don’t even know how many of the current lot will keep their seats - I’m expecting a neat extinction level event for them. Let’s see them try to embrace that
A short thread on some wider dynamics in the Prigozhin empire 1/
https://mobile.twitter.com/MarkGaleotti/status/1621862756591738880
Rand Paul? Now that is cruel. I don't know enough about Liz Truss to say whether that's cruel but fair, or just cruel. But I doubt that, for example, she has a father who has dabbled in racism.