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Con 35 Lab 33 - YouGov Ukip were on 13%, the Lib Dems on 8% and the Greens on 4%.
Lol Labour's lowest share of the vote with YouGov since 2010 when they were leaderless0 -
Note to all posters: ALL song lyrics look like crap on the page, they only don't look like crap to you because you are hearing the song in your head as you paste them on the page. Result: you embarrass yourself.Ishmael_X said:Plato said:I love Del Amitri's Be My Downfall Tonight - when you go home with the *wrong* person... youtube.com/watch?v=GwASZpIHKLY
And it all points towards the things we know we shouldn't do
nigel4england said:
Down in the Tube Station at Midnight perfectly captures that feeling of nervousness we have all had going home late at night in Londonisam said:
I think so!TCPoliticalBetting said:
Paul Weller, a modern poet?isam said:
Reminds me of Elm Park and Dagenham in the early 80sTCPoliticalBetting said:
These are the real creatures that time hasisam said:
"Ordinary Boys" by Morrissey describes the same people in less bovver boy way!TCPoliticalBetting said:
Their mums and dads smoke Capstan non filters,isam said:
Saturdays Kidsantifrank said:
I'm racking my brains to think which Jam song that reminds me of.Itajai said:FrancisUrquhart said:
And of course Panorama are explaining this...or maybe not (to be fair I have turned it off as it was such bollocks). There is only so much ofPaul_Mid_Beds said:
Then you hit 45, the kids hit 18, the tax credits vanish and you are royally stuffed./FrancisUrquhart said:I see Panorama
snip
snip
...nonsense.
Wallpaper lives 'cause they all die of cancer,
In my daydreams I used to want to write a film based on songs by The Jam...
"When You're Young" describes that time of life perfectly... and "Sound Affects" is in my top 3 albums.. I can relate almost every song to some part of my life
Haha embarrassing to admit but when I met my girlfriend when I was about 23 I told her I felt like Paul Weller when had he left The Jam and formed The Style Council... how romantic (and self obsessed!)
Your twisted cynicism makes me feel sick0 -
@Sun_Politics: EXCL: Disaster for Ed as Labour poll rating hits four year low - 33% lowest with YouGov since June 2010: http://t.co/FuJZfm0Q0g0
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Sun Politics @Sun_Politics
EXCL: Disaster for Ed as Labour poll rating hits four year low - 33% lowest with YouGov since June 2010: http://bit.ly/10GwJ29
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Suddenly I feel a whole lot safer.TheScreamingEagles said:Yay a Sun Politics tweet
Sun Politics @Sun_Politics
EXCL: Revenge porn could be a criminal offence ‘by end of the year’ http://bit.ly/1nXFZtq0 -
Bloody lefties at the Sun.... leaving this until later on at night so people miss it .....Scott_P said:@Sun_Politics: EXCL: Disaster for Ed as Labour poll rating hits four year low - 33% lowest with YouGov since June 2010: http://t.co/FuJZfm0Q0g
It's not right.0 -
Why won't Lord Ashcroft make public who conducts his polling?0
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It's YouGov and Ashcroft versus Populus then.0
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Britain Elects @britainelects 25s25 seconds ago
National Opinion Poll (YouGov):
CON - 35% (-1)
LAB - 33% (-1)
UKIP - 13% (=)
LDEM - 8% (+1)
GRN - 4% (-1)0 -
Your twisted cynicism makes me feel sickisam said:
Note to all posters: ALL song lyrics look like crap on the page, they only don't look like crap to you because you are hearing the song in your head as you paste them on the page. Result: you embarrass yourself.Ishmael_X said:Plato said:I love Del Amitri's Be My Downfall Tonight - when you go home with the *wrong* person... youtube.com/watch?v=GwASZpIHKLY
And it all points towards the things we know we shouldn't do
nigel4england said:
Down in the Tube Station at Midnight perfectly captures that feeling of nervousness we have all had going home late at night in Londonisam said:
I think so!TCPoliticalBetting said:
Paul Weller, a modern poet?isam said:
Reminds me of Elm Park and Dagenham in the early 80sTCPoliticalBetting said:
These are the real creatures that time hasisam said:
"Ordinary Boys" by Morrissey describes the same people in less bovver boy way!TCPoliticalBetting said:
Their mums and dads smoke Capstan non filters,isam said:
Saturdays Kidsantifrank said:
I'm racking my brains to think which Jam song that reminds me of.Itajai said:FrancisUrquhart said:
And of course Panorama are explaining this...or maybe not (to be fair I have turned it off as it was such bollocks). There is only so much ofPaul_Mid_Beds said:
Then you hit 45, the kids hit 18, the tax credits vanish and you are royally stuffed./FrancisUrquhart said:I see Panorama
snip
snip
...nonsense.
Wallpaper lives 'cause they all die of cancer,
In my daydreams I used to want to write a film based on songs by The Jam...
"When You're Young" describes that time of life perfectly... and "Sound Affects" is in my top 3 albums.. I can relate almost every song to some part of my life
Haha embarrassing to admit but when I met my girlfriend when I was about 23 I told her I felt like Paul Weller when had he left The Jam and formed The Style Council... how romantic (and self obsessed!)
Is that Morrissey?
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Labour sources said that Andy Burnham was among those figures most actively preparing for an attempt to become leader in case Mr Miliband stumbled before the election or was defeated on polling day. “His team is reaching out to party figures in the north and to unions in order to build a base if it’s needed,” a source said.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4229092.ece
A poll published yesterday by Lord Ashcroft, the Tory peer, gave David Cameron a two-point lead over Labour. It is the third recent poll to suggest that Mr Miliband’s long-held lead had disappeared, though another survey suggested that it was still in front.
An ICM poll yesterday showed the Tories leading by 20 points on who voters trusted to run the economy. It also gave the Labour leader a disastrous approval rating of minus 35 points.0 -
plus ca changeTheScreamingEagles said:Con 35 Lab 33 - YouGov Ukip were on 13%, the Lib Dems on 8% and the Greens on 4%.
Lol Labour's lowest share of the vote with YouGov since 2010 when they were leaderless0 -
Sun Politics @Sun_Politics
YouGov/Sun poll has Tories two points ahead: CON 35%, LAB 33%, LD 8%, UKIP 13% http://bit.ly/10GwJ29
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35 Con, 33 Lab. Danger territory for Ed. With a Tory lead three polls running and the Ashcroft poll showing level pegging then a Tory lead surely Populus is the outlier.0
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What difference would that make?volcanopete said:Why won't Lord Ashcroft make public who conducts his polling?
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"Disaster for Ed"???? I assume King Dan is contacting his lawyers as he has copyrighted that saying.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Bloody lefties at the Sun.... leaving this until later on at night so people miss it .....Scott_P said:@Sun_Politics: EXCL: Disaster for Ed as Labour poll rating hits four year low - 33% lowest with YouGov since June 2010: http://t.co/FuJZfm0Q0g
It's not right.0 -
The Americans get it in the fucking neck every time there's one innocent casualty. They have to triple check things lest everyone believes they are evil baby killing warmongers. You only need to look on pb to see people who think they are equivalent to the Russians.SeanT said:
We're certainly not "bombing ISIS heavily" in Syria, even if we are doing this in Iraq. Apparently this lack of action in Syria is because we lack intel there, but this is bullshit. You don't need intel to spot ISIS standing on a massive fucking hill just outside Kobane, cheerily waving an ISIS flag, as they were arrogantly doing most of this afternoon.HYUFD said:nigel4england We are already bombing ISIS heavily, yes maybe we should supply the Kurds with more heavy weaponary, but it is the Turkish tanks which are standing at the side doing nothing
Why didn't we - or the Yanks - blitz that hill into oblivion as soon as the flag was raised? That would have killed a few ISIS guys and, more importantly, raised Kurdish morale and prevented ISIS from seizing the crucial overlook for their artillery.
Yet the Americans did nothing. Very very strange.0 -
The Turks have already sold out 10 times over when it comes to Syria. Lots of talk, no real action. They can either sell out again or change. Either is possible and neither would surprise. The Turkish airforce has been seen over the town and there is an ambulance run from the North end of the town into TurkeySeanT said:
ISIS won't attack Turkey. Because Turkey is stupidly, foolishly, insanely sponsoring ISIS. See numerous reports online and elsewhere.Tim_B said:
Assuming Kobani falls, it is only about 3km from the Turkish border.SeanT said:Kobane. "A Terrible Slaughter is Coming".
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/10/a-terrible-slaughter-is-coming/381157/
This is potentially the Srebrenica of our time.
Again, assuming ISIS heads over the border, an attack on one NATO country is an attack on all.
What then happens to Obmama's 'No American boots on the ground' policy.
If Kobane falls and the expected massacre ensues, the image of all those Turkish tanks doing nothing will haunt Turkey for years, if only by fiercely alienating their huge Kurdish minority.
The Kurds if the West etc don't bother will turn to the Iranians.
HYUFD. This is not heavy bombing, not by a long chalk. Take Kobani as I posted late last night when I said it and probably Ramadi in Iraq were likely to fall to IS in the coming days. There have been airstrikes around Kobani but they've been pitiful, in the handfuls (just two in the last 6-8+ hours).
The US has B1 bombers, they've been seen in-theater, the opportunity to take out the Chechens leading the assault on the town by literally flattening the countryside was there. They didn't.
Now that IS are in the streets bombing becomes extremely problematic.0 -
....and Com Res....and ICM...and Opinium.....and Survation.MaxPB said:35 Con, 33 Lab. Danger territory for Ed. With a Tory lead three polls running and the Ashcroft poll showing level pegging then a Tory lead surely Populus is the outlier.
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Hah. That's very true. Even Steely Dan lyrics look a bit rubbish on the screen, once you have hit submit. I know this embarrassment personally.SeanT said:
Note to all posters: ALL song lyrics look like crap on the page, they only don't look like crap to you because you are hearing the song in your head as you paste them on the page. Result: you embarrass yourself.Ishmael_X said:Plato said:I love Del Amitri's Be My Downfall Tonight - when you go home with the *wrong* person... youtube.com/watch?v=GwASZpIHKLY
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Be my slow road to ruin tonightnigel4england said:
Down in the Tube Station at Midnight perfectly captures that feeling of nervousness we have all had going home late at night in Londonisam said:
f obsessed!)TCPoliticalBetting said:
Paul Weller, a modern poet?isam said:
Reminds me of Elm Park and Dagenham in the early 80sTCPoliticalBetting said:
These are the real creatures that time hasisam said:
"Ordinary Boys" by Morrissey describes the same people in less bovver boy way!TCPoliticalBetting said:
Their mums and dads smoke Capstan non filters,isam said:
Saturdays Kidsantifrank said:
I'm racking my brains to think which Jam song that reminds me of.Itajai said:FrancisUrquhart said:
And of course Panorama are explaining this...or maybe not (to be fair I have turned it off as it was such bollocks). There is only so much ofPaul_Mid_Beds said:
Then you hit 45, the kids hit 18, the tax credits vanish and you are royally stuffed./FrancisUrquhart said:I see Panorama
snip
snip
...nonsense.
Wallpaper lives 'cause they all die of cancer,
The only exceptions are Cole Porter (fantastic double entendres), and maybe Bob Dylan on a very good day - e.g. Tambourine Man:
To dance beneath the diamond sky with one hand waving free
Silhouetted by the sea, circled by the circus sands
With all memory and fate driven deep beneath the waves
Let me forget about today until tomorrow.
That's yer actual poetry. And a fine song, too.
When I look at myself I don't see
The man I wanted to be
Somewhere along the line slipped off track
One step up and two steps back
Not embarrassed to post that as most of us have been there.0 -
Plato said:
I love Del Amitri's Be My Downfall Tonight - when you go home with the *wrong* person... youtube.com/watch?v=GwASZpIHKLY
And it all points towards the things we know we shouldn't do
And as I look at you and I fall under your spell
..............nigel4england said:
Down in the Tube Station at Midnight perfectly captures that feeling of nervousness we have all had going home late at night in Londonisam said:
I think so!TCPoliticalBetting said:
Paul Weller, a modern poet?isam said:
Reminds me of Elm Park and Dagenham in the early 80sTCPoliticalBetting said:
..............isam said:
"Ordinary Boys" by Morrissey describes the same people in less bovver boy way!TCPoliticalBetting said:
Their mums and dads smoke Capstan non filters,isam said:
Saturdays Kidsantifrank said:
I'm racking my brains to think which Jam song that reminds me of.Itajai said:FrancisUrquhart said:
And of course Panorama are explaining this...or maybe not (to be fair I have turned it off as it was such bollocks). There is only so much ofPaul_Mid_Beds said:
Then you hit 45, the kids hit 18, the tax credits vanish and you are royally stuffed./FrancisUrquhart said:I see Panorama
snip
snip
...nonsense.
Wallpaper lives 'cause they all die of cancer,
In my daydreams I used to want to write a film based on songs by The Jam...
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Plato thanks am playing it now.
Ever listened to Janis Ian? This always touched. "Water Colors"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JhryVIS7LY
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Is anyone else getting a doubling of the names of posters?0
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Newsnight: LDs are bashing the Tories at the same time as saying they might go back into coalition with them.0
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For your info Foxy, kippers are not automations and we all think for ourselves. On the ISIL threat I differ with the party line, but makes me not one bit less a kipper. Thats what make UKIP different from your run of the mill party.foxinsoxuk said:
Farage favours doing nothing to intervene in the Middle East. I think Respect take the same position.MikeK said:
That the West expected a Turkish government ever more islamist is going to help the Kurds against ISIL is ever more laughable. Obama and Call me Cammos strategy in tatters.HYUFD said:nigel4england We are already bombing ISIS heavily, yes maybe we should supply the Kurds with more heavy weaponary, but it is the Turkish tanks which are standing at the side doing nothing
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There's an excellent covers album of Cole Porter's stuff from 1990 called Red Hot + Blue = Annie Lennox, David Byrne, U2, Sinead O'Connor, FYC and a load of others.
If you come across it - well worth getting if you like Cole Porter.SeanT said:Ishmael_X said:Plato said:I love Del Amitri's Be My Downfall Tonight - when you go home with the *wrong* person... youtube.com/watch?v=GwASZpIHKLY
And
Be my slow road to ruin tonight
Hah. That's very true. Even Steely Dan lyrics look a bit rubbish on the screen, once you have hit submit. I know this embarrassment personally.nigel4england said:isam said:
f obsessed!) snipTCPoliticalBetting said:
Paul Weller, a modern poet?isam said:
Reminds me of Elm Park and Dagenham in the early 80sTCPoliticalBetting said:
These are the real creatures that time hasisam said:
"Ordinary Boys" by Morrissey describes the same people in less bovver boy way!TCPoliticalBetting said:
Their mums and dads smoke Capstan non filters,isam said:
Saturdays Kidsantifrank said:
I'm racking my brains to think which Jam song that reminds me of.Itajai said:FrancisUrquhart said:
And of course Panorama are explaining this...or maybe not (to be fair I have turned it off as it was such bollocks). There is only so much ofPaul_Mid_Beds said:
Then you hit 45, the kids hit 18, the tax credits vanish and you are royally stuffed./FrancisUrquhart said:I see Panorama
snip
snip
...nonsense.
Wallpaper lives 'cause they all die of cancer,
The only exceptions are Cole Porter (fantastic double entendres), and maybe Bob Dylan on a very good day - e.g. Tambourine Man:
To dance beneath the diamond sky with one hand waving free
Silhouetted by the sea, circled by the circus sands
With all memory and fate driven deep beneath the waves
Let me forget about today until tomorrow.
That's yer actual poetry. And a fine song, too.0 -
Hilarious, where are all the bad for the Tories tin foil hatters?0
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If they want change why vote for a man who lives in Fulham and cannot vote in Clacton? New Politics? My ars**!Scrapheap_as_was said:Hmm...
BBC Look East@BBCLookEast
Speaking before tonight's #battleforclacton debate @DouglasCarswell said "people want change"
peter everingham@petere72·22s22 seconds ago
@BBCLookEast @DouglasCarswell if they want change why vote for the same person we have had for 9 yrs ?
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"Rochester and Strood will go to the polls on the 6th of November"
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/10/05/Reckless-Ahead-In-Polls0 -
Its a form of domestic abuse. Why go back for more?AndyJS said:Newsnight: LDs are bashing the Tories at the same time as saying they might go back into coalition with them.
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Maybe the UKIP line will change tomorrow? It often does.MikeK said:
For your info Foxy, kippers are not automations and we all think for ourselves. On the ISIL threat I differ with the party line, but makes me not one bit less a kipper. Thats what make UKIP different from your run of the mill party.foxinsoxuk said:
Farage favours doing nothing to intervene in the Middle East. I think Respect take the same position.MikeK said:
That the West expected a Turkish government ever more islamist is going to help the Kurds against ISIL is ever more laughable. Obama and Call me Cammos strategy in tatters.HYUFD said:nigel4england We are already bombing ISIS heavily, yes maybe we should supply the Kurds with more heavy weaponary, but it is the Turkish tanks which are standing at the side doing nothing
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I happen to really like other people's recommendations whilst we're time filling myself. And great lyrics they've spotted. I certainly don't need to know the tune to appreciate their cleverness.
SaddoTCPoliticalBetting said:
Note to all posters: ALL song lyrics look like crap on the page, they only don't look like crap to you because you are hearing the song in your head as you paste them on the page. Result: you embarrass yourself.Ishmael_X said:Plato said:I love Del Amitri's Be My Downfall Tonight - when you go home with the *wrong* person... youtube.com/watch?v=GwASZpIHKLY
snip for space
nigel4england said:
Down in the Tube Station at Midnight perfectly captures that feeling of nervousness we have all had going home late at night in Londonisam said:
I think so!TCPoliticalBetting said:
Paul Weller, a modern poet?isam said:
Reminds me of Elm Park and Dagenham in the early 80sTCPoliticalBetting said:
These are the real creatures that time hasisam said:
"Ordinary Boys" by Morrissey describes the same people in less bovver boy way!TCPoliticalBetting said:
Their mums and dads smoke Capstan non filters,isam said:
Saturdays Kidsantifrank said:
I'm racking my brains to think which Jam song that reminds me of.Itajai said:FrancisUrquhart said:
And of course Panorama are explaining this...or maybe not (to be fair I have turned it off as it was such bollocks). There is only so much ofPaul_Mid_Beds said:
Then you hit 45, the kids hit 18, the tax credits vanish and you are royally stuffed./FrancisUrquhart said:I see Panorama
snip
snip
...nonsense.
Wallpaper lives 'cause they all die of cancer,
In my daydreams I used to want to write a film based on songs by The Jam...
"When You're Young" describes that time of life perfectly... and "Sound Affects" is in my top 3 albums.. I can relate almost every song to some part of my life
Haha embarrassing to admit but when I met my girlfriend when I was about 23 I told her I felt like Paul Weller when had he left The Jam and formed The Style Council... how romantic (and self obsessed!)
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Jonathan Powell arguing West should talk to ISIS + Hamas on Newsnight as talks were opened with IRA, Rory Stewart strongly disagrees0
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How very selfless of Mr Burnham...
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4229092.eceScott_P said:Labour sources said that Andy Burnham was among those figures most actively preparing for an attempt to become leader in case Mr Miliband stumbled before the election or was defeated on polling day. “His team is reaching out to party figures in the north and to unions in order to build a base if it’s needed,” a source said.
A poll published yesterday by Lord Ashcroft, the Tory peer, gave David Cameron a two-point lead over Labour. It is the third recent poll to suggest that Mr Miliband’s long-held lead had disappeared, though another survey suggested that it was still in front.
An ICM poll yesterday showed the Tories leading by 20 points on who voters trusted to run the economy. It also gave the Labour leader a disastrous approval rating of minus 35 points.
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"Harwich to Esbjerg ferry route's final journey":
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@SeanT
Dylan for sure. And I reckon some of the Boss' lyrics stand on their own for their imagery:
And some kid comes blastin' 'round the corner,
But a cop puts him right away
He lays on the street holding his leg, screaming something in Spanish
Still breathing when I walked away
And somebody said, "Hey man, did you see that?
His body hit the street with such a beautiful thud"
I wonder what the dude was sayin',
Or was he just lost in the flood?
...or...
But I remember us riding in my brother's car
Her body tan and wet down at the reservoir
At night on them banks I'd lie awake
And pull her close just to feel each breath she'd take
Now those memories come back to haunt me
They haunt me like a curse
Is a dream a lie if it don't come true?
Or is it something worse?0 -
Nigel4England Agree0
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MikeK Well they are in Nato, and should accept the obligations that imposes0
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SeanT/Yokel Bombing in Iraq seems to be having an effect, we need bombing in Syria to follow suit0
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Do people really think you can whistle up 150,000 soldiers just like that? Meantime I seem to remember people in the past saying, 'its their country let them fight for it' etc...Tykejohnno said:
I'll put it down to bush and blair,the west are to frightened of they own shadows after Iraq.nigel4england said:
Can someone please explain to me why the fuck is the civilized world allowing this to happen?SeanT said:Kobane. "A Terrible Slaughter is Coming".
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/10/a-terrible-slaughter-is-coming/381157/
This is potentially the Srebrenica of our time.
Some months ago the UK govt wanted to commence airstrikes on the syrian army for mhumanitarian reasons. Labour and a rag tag bunch of fellow travellers scotched that. Now people are shouting for more?
Following the overwhelming position of people back during the Iraq invasion the West now are doing what the public want - limiting ISIS with air strikes. This is probably adequate for our immediate and narrow security needs. It would probably be wise following what turned out after the Iraq invasion to remember that this is going to be a long job and jumping in half baked is probably not the best idea.
However 'decent' and proper it might be to do more, I somehow doubt that the public would be willing to sustain the effort needed. The other question is are the locals who are suffering prepared to display the unity that would encourage it?
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