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  • Con 35 Lab 33 - YouGov Ukip were on 13%, the Lib Dems on 8% and the Greens on 4%.

    Lol Labour's lowest share of the vote with YouGov since 2010 when they were leaderless
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Ishmael_X said:

    Plato said:

    I love Del Amitri's Be My Downfall Tonight - when you go home with the *wrong* person... youtube.com/watch?v=GwASZpIHKLY

    And it all points towards the things we know we shouldn't do

    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    antifrank said:

    Itajai said:

    I see Panorama


    Then you hit 45, the kids hit 18, the tax credits vanish and you are royally stuffed./

    snip

    And of course Panorama are explaining this...or maybe not (to be fair I have turned it off as it was such bollocks). There is only so much of

    snip

    ...nonsense.
    I'm racking my brains to think which Jam song that reminds me of.
    Saturdays Kids
    Their mums and dads smoke Capstan non filters,
    Wallpaper lives 'cause they all die of cancer,
    "Ordinary Boys" by Morrissey describes the same people in less bovver boy way!
    These are the real creatures that time has

    Reminds me of Elm Park and Dagenham in the early 80s
    Paul Weller, a modern poet?
    I think so!

    In my daydreams I used to want to write a film based on songs by The Jam...

    "When You're Young" describes that time of life perfectly... and "Sound Affects" is in my top 3 albums.. I can relate almost every song to some part of my life

    Haha embarrassing to admit but when I met my girlfriend when I was about 23 I told her I felt like Paul Weller when had he left The Jam and formed The Style Council... how romantic (and self obsessed!)
    Down in the Tube Station at Midnight perfectly captures that feeling of nervousness we have all had going home late at night in London
    Note to all posters: ALL song lyrics look like crap on the page, they only don't look like crap to you because you are hearing the song in your head as you paste them on the page. Result: you embarrass yourself.


    Your twisted cynicism makes me feel sick
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @Sun_Politics: EXCL: Disaster for Ed as Labour poll rating hits four year low - 33% lowest with YouGov since June 2010: http://t.co/FuJZfm0Q0g
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Sun Politics @Sun_Politics

    EXCL: Disaster for Ed as Labour poll rating hits four year low - 33% lowest with YouGov since June 2010: http://bit.ly/10GwJ29

  • Yay a Sun Politics tweet

    Sun Politics @Sun_Politics

    EXCL: Revenge porn could be a criminal offence ‘by end of the year’ http://bit.ly/1nXFZtq

    Suddenly I feel a whole lot safer.
  • Scott_P said:

    @Sun_Politics: EXCL: Disaster for Ed as Labour poll rating hits four year low - 33% lowest with YouGov since June 2010: http://t.co/FuJZfm0Q0g

    Bloody lefties at the Sun.... leaving this until later on at night so people miss it .....

    It's not right.
  • volcanopetevolcanopete Posts: 2,078
    Why won't Lord Ashcroft make public who conducts his polling?
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    It's YouGov and Ashcroft versus Populus then.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 25s25 seconds ago
    National Opinion Poll (YouGov):
    CON - 35% (-1)
    LAB - 33% (-1)
    UKIP - 13% (=)
    LDEM - 8% (+1)
    GRN - 4% (-1)
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    isam said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    Plato said:

    I love Del Amitri's Be My Downfall Tonight - when you go home with the *wrong* person... youtube.com/watch?v=GwASZpIHKLY

    And it all points towards the things we know we shouldn't do

    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    antifrank said:

    Itajai said:

    I see Panorama


    Then you hit 45, the kids hit 18, the tax credits vanish and you are royally stuffed./

    snip

    And of course Panorama are explaining this...or maybe not (to be fair I have turned it off as it was such bollocks). There is only so much of

    snip

    ...nonsense.
    I'm racking my brains to think which Jam song that reminds me of.
    Saturdays Kids
    Their mums and dads smoke Capstan non filters,
    Wallpaper lives 'cause they all die of cancer,
    "Ordinary Boys" by Morrissey describes the same people in less bovver boy way!
    These are the real creatures that time has

    Reminds me of Elm Park and Dagenham in the early 80s
    Paul Weller, a modern poet?
    I think so!

    In my daydreams I used to want to write a film based on songs by The Jam...

    "When You're Young" describes that time of life perfectly... and "Sound Affects" is in my top 3 albums.. I can relate almost every song to some part of my life

    Haha embarrassing to admit but when I met my girlfriend when I was about 23 I told her I felt like Paul Weller when had he left The Jam and formed The Style Council... how romantic (and self obsessed!)
    Down in the Tube Station at Midnight perfectly captures that feeling of nervousness we have all had going home late at night in London
    Note to all posters: ALL song lyrics look like crap on the page, they only don't look like crap to you because you are hearing the song in your head as you paste them on the page. Result: you embarrass yourself.
    Your twisted cynicism makes me feel sick
    Is that Morrissey?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Labour sources said that Andy Burnham was among those figures most actively preparing for an attempt to become leader in case Mr Miliband stumbled before the election or was defeated on polling day. “His team is reaching out to party figures in the north and to unions in order to build a base if it’s needed,” a source said.

    A poll published yesterday by Lord Ashcroft, the Tory peer, gave David Cameron a two-point lead over Labour. It is the third recent poll to suggest that Mr Miliband’s long-held lead had disappeared, though another survey suggested that it was still in front.

    An ICM poll yesterday showed the Tories leading by 20 points on who voters trusted to run the economy. It also gave the Labour leader a disastrous approval rating of minus 35 points.
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4229092.ece
  • Con 35 Lab 33 - YouGov Ukip were on 13%, the Lib Dems on 8% and the Greens on 4%.

    Lol Labour's lowest share of the vote with YouGov since 2010 when they were leaderless

    plus ca change
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Sun Politics @Sun_Politics

    YouGov/Sun poll has Tories two points ahead: CON 35%, LAB 33%, LD 8%, UKIP 13% http://bit.ly/10GwJ29

  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,054
    35 Con, 33 Lab. Danger territory for Ed. With a Tory lead three polls running and the Ashcroft poll showing level pegging then a Tory lead surely Populus is the outlier.
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746

    Why won't Lord Ashcroft make public who conducts his polling?

    What difference would that make?
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    Scott_P said:

    @Sun_Politics: EXCL: Disaster for Ed as Labour poll rating hits four year low - 33% lowest with YouGov since June 2010: http://t.co/FuJZfm0Q0g

    Bloody lefties at the Sun.... leaving this until later on at night so people miss it .....

    It's not right.
    "Disaster for Ed"???? I assume King Dan is contacting his lawyers as he has copyrighted that saying.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    SeanT said:

    HYUFD said:

    nigel4england We are already bombing ISIS heavily, yes maybe we should supply the Kurds with more heavy weaponary, but it is the Turkish tanks which are standing at the side doing nothing

    We're certainly not "bombing ISIS heavily" in Syria, even if we are doing this in Iraq. Apparently this lack of action in Syria is because we lack intel there, but this is bullshit. You don't need intel to spot ISIS standing on a massive fucking hill just outside Kobane, cheerily waving an ISIS flag, as they were arrogantly doing most of this afternoon.

    Why didn't we - or the Yanks - blitz that hill into oblivion as soon as the flag was raised? That would have killed a few ISIS guys and, more importantly, raised Kurdish morale and prevented ISIS from seizing the crucial overlook for their artillery.

    Yet the Americans did nothing. Very very strange.
    The Americans get it in the fucking neck every time there's one innocent casualty. They have to triple check things lest everyone believes they are evil baby killing warmongers. You only need to look on pb to see people who think they are equivalent to the Russians.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    edited October 2014
    SeanT said:

    Tim_B said:

    SeanT said:

    Kobane. "A Terrible Slaughter is Coming".

    http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/10/a-terrible-slaughter-is-coming/381157/

    This is potentially the Srebrenica of our time.

    Assuming Kobani falls, it is only about 3km from the Turkish border.

    Again, assuming ISIS heads over the border, an attack on one NATO country is an attack on all.

    What then happens to Obmama's 'No American boots on the ground' policy.
    ISIS won't attack Turkey. Because Turkey is stupidly, foolishly, insanely sponsoring ISIS. See numerous reports online and elsewhere.

    If Kobane falls and the expected massacre ensues, the image of all those Turkish tanks doing nothing will haunt Turkey for years, if only by fiercely alienating their huge Kurdish minority.
    The Turks have already sold out 10 times over when it comes to Syria. Lots of talk, no real action. They can either sell out again or change. Either is possible and neither would surprise. The Turkish airforce has been seen over the town and there is an ambulance run from the North end of the town into Turkey

    The Kurds if the West etc don't bother will turn to the Iranians.

    HYUFD. This is not heavy bombing, not by a long chalk. Take Kobani as I posted late last night when I said it and probably Ramadi in Iraq were likely to fall to IS in the coming days. There have been airstrikes around Kobani but they've been pitiful, in the handfuls (just two in the last 6-8+ hours).

    The US has B1 bombers, they've been seen in-theater, the opportunity to take out the Chechens leading the assault on the town by literally flattening the countryside was there. They didn't.

    Now that IS are in the streets bombing becomes extremely problematic.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    edited October 2014
    MaxPB said:

    35 Con, 33 Lab. Danger territory for Ed. With a Tory lead three polls running and the Ashcroft poll showing level pegging then a Tory lead surely Populus is the outlier.

    ....and Com Res....and ICM...and Opinium.....and Survation.
  • New Thread
  • SeanT said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    Plato said:

    I love Del Amitri's Be My Downfall Tonight - when you go home with the *wrong* person... youtube.com/watch?v=GwASZpIHKLY

    And
    Be my slow road to ruin tonight

    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    antifrank said:

    Itajai said:

    I see Panorama


    Then you hit 45, the kids hit 18, the tax credits vanish and you are royally stuffed./

    snip

    And of course Panorama are explaining this...or maybe not (to be fair I have turned it off as it was such bollocks). There is only so much of

    snip

    ...nonsense.
    I'm racking my brains to think which Jam song that reminds me of.
    Saturdays Kids
    Their mums and dads smoke Capstan non filters,
    Wallpaper lives 'cause they all die of cancer,
    "Ordinary Boys" by Morrissey describes the same people in less bovver boy way!
    These are the real creatures that time has

    Reminds me of Elm Park and Dagenham in the early 80s
    Paul Weller, a modern poet?
    f obsessed!)
    Down in the Tube Station at Midnight perfectly captures that feeling of nervousness we have all had going home late at night in London
    Note to all posters: ALL song lyrics look like crap on the page, they only don't look like crap to you because you are hearing the song in your head as you paste them on the page. Result: you embarrass yourself.
    Hah. That's very true. Even Steely Dan lyrics look a bit rubbish on the screen, once you have hit submit. I know this embarrassment personally.

    The only exceptions are Cole Porter (fantastic double entendres), and maybe Bob Dylan on a very good day - e.g. Tambourine Man:


    To dance beneath the diamond sky with one hand waving free
    Silhouetted by the sea, circled by the circus sands
    With all memory and fate driven deep beneath the waves
    Let me forget about today until tomorrow.


    That's yer actual poetry. And a fine song, too.

    When I look at myself I don't see
    The man I wanted to be
    Somewhere along the line slipped off track
    One step up and two steps back

    Not embarrassed to post that as most of us have been there.
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited October 2014
    Plato said:

    I love Del Amitri's Be My Downfall Tonight - when you go home with the *wrong* person... youtube.com/watch?v=GwASZpIHKLY

    And it all points towards the things we know we shouldn't do
    And as I look at you and I fall under your spell
    ..............

    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    antifrank said:

    Itajai said:

    I see Panorama


    Then you hit 45, the kids hit 18, the tax credits vanish and you are royally stuffed./

    snip

    And of course Panorama are explaining this...or maybe not (to be fair I have turned it off as it was such bollocks). There is only so much of

    snip

    ...nonsense.
    I'm racking my brains to think which Jam song that reminds me of.
    Saturdays Kids
    Their mums and dads smoke Capstan non filters,
    Wallpaper lives 'cause they all die of cancer,
    "Ordinary Boys" by Morrissey describes the same people in less bovver boy way!
    ..............
    Reminds me of Elm Park and Dagenham in the early 80s
    Paul Weller, a modern poet?
    I think so!

    In my daydreams I used to want to write a film based on songs by The Jam...
    ..............
    Down in the Tube Station at Midnight perfectly captures that feeling of nervousness we have all had going home late at night in London

    Plato thanks am playing it now.

    Ever listened to Janis Ian? This always touched. "Water Colors"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JhryVIS7LY
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Is anyone else getting a doubling of the names of posters?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Newsnight: LDs are bashing the Tories at the same time as saying they might go back into coalition with them.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    MikeK said:

    HYUFD said:

    nigel4england We are already bombing ISIS heavily, yes maybe we should supply the Kurds with more heavy weaponary, but it is the Turkish tanks which are standing at the side doing nothing

    That the West expected a Turkish government ever more islamist is going to help the Kurds against ISIL is ever more laughable. Obama and Call me Cammos strategy in tatters.
    Farage favours doing nothing to intervene in the Middle East. I think Respect take the same position.
    For your info Foxy, kippers are not automations and we all think for ourselves. On the ISIL threat I differ with the party line, but makes me not one bit less a kipper. Thats what make UKIP different from your run of the mill party.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    Hilarious, where are all the bad for the Tories tin foil hatters?
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    There's an excellent covers album of Cole Porter's stuff from 1990 called Red Hot + Blue = Annie Lennox, David Byrne, U2, Sinead O'Connor, FYC and a load of others.

    If you come across it - well worth getting if you like Cole Porter.
    SeanT said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    Plato said:

    I love Del Amitri's Be My Downfall Tonight - when you go home with the *wrong* person... youtube.com/watch?v=GwASZpIHKLY

    And
    Be my slow road to ruin tonight

    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    antifrank said:

    Itajai said:

    I see Panorama


    Then you hit 45, the kids hit 18, the tax credits vanish and you are royally stuffed./

    snip

    And of course Panorama are explaining this...or maybe not (to be fair I have turned it off as it was such bollocks). There is only so much of

    snip

    ...nonsense.
    I'm racking my brains to think which Jam song that reminds me of.
    Saturdays Kids
    Their mums and dads smoke Capstan non filters,
    Wallpaper lives 'cause they all die of cancer,
    "Ordinary Boys" by Morrissey describes the same people in less bovver boy way!
    These are the real creatures that time has

    Reminds me of Elm Park and Dagenham in the early 80s
    Paul Weller, a modern poet?
    f obsessed!) snip

    Hah. That's very true. Even Steely Dan lyrics look a bit rubbish on the screen, once you have hit submit. I know this embarrassment personally.

    The only exceptions are Cole Porter (fantastic double entendres), and maybe Bob Dylan on a very good day - e.g. Tambourine Man:


    To dance beneath the diamond sky with one hand waving free
    Silhouetted by the sea, circled by the circus sands
    With all memory and fate driven deep beneath the waves
    Let me forget about today until tomorrow.


    That's yer actual poetry. And a fine song, too.
  • Hmm...
    BBC Look East‏@BBCLookEast
    Speaking before tonight's #battleforclacton debate @DouglasCarswell said "people want change"
    peter everingham‏@petere72·22s22 seconds ago
    @BBCLookEast @DouglasCarswell if they want change why vote for the same person we have had for 9 yrs ?

    If they want change why vote for a man who lives in Fulham and cannot vote in Clacton? New Politics? My ars**!
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    "Rochester and Strood will go to the polls on the 6th of November"

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/10/05/Reckless-Ahead-In-Polls
  • AndyJS said:

    Newsnight: LDs are bashing the Tories at the same time as saying they might go back into coalition with them.

    Its a form of domestic abuse. Why go back for more?
  • MikeK said:

    MikeK said:

    HYUFD said:

    nigel4england We are already bombing ISIS heavily, yes maybe we should supply the Kurds with more heavy weaponary, but it is the Turkish tanks which are standing at the side doing nothing

    That the West expected a Turkish government ever more islamist is going to help the Kurds against ISIL is ever more laughable. Obama and Call me Cammos strategy in tatters.
    Farage favours doing nothing to intervene in the Middle East. I think Respect take the same position.
    For your info Foxy, kippers are not automations and we all think for ourselves. On the ISIL threat I differ with the party line, but makes me not one bit less a kipper. Thats what make UKIP different from your run of the mill party.
    Maybe the UKIP line will change tomorrow? It often does.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I happen to really like other people's recommendations whilst we're time filling myself. And great lyrics they've spotted. I certainly don't need to know the tune to appreciate their cleverness.

    Ishmael_X said:

    Plato said:

    I love Del Amitri's Be My Downfall Tonight - when you go home with the *wrong* person... youtube.com/watch?v=GwASZpIHKLY

    snip for space

    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    antifrank said:

    Itajai said:

    I see Panorama


    Then you hit 45, the kids hit 18, the tax credits vanish and you are royally stuffed./

    snip

    And of course Panorama are explaining this...or maybe not (to be fair I have turned it off as it was such bollocks). There is only so much of

    snip

    ...nonsense.
    I'm racking my brains to think which Jam song that reminds me of.
    Saturdays Kids
    Their mums and dads smoke Capstan non filters,
    Wallpaper lives 'cause they all die of cancer,
    "Ordinary Boys" by Morrissey describes the same people in less bovver boy way!
    These are the real creatures that time has

    Reminds me of Elm Park and Dagenham in the early 80s
    Paul Weller, a modern poet?
    I think so!

    In my daydreams I used to want to write a film based on songs by The Jam...

    "When You're Young" describes that time of life perfectly... and "Sound Affects" is in my top 3 albums.. I can relate almost every song to some part of my life

    Haha embarrassing to admit but when I met my girlfriend when I was about 23 I told her I felt like Paul Weller when had he left The Jam and formed The Style Council... how romantic (and self obsessed!)
    Down in the Tube Station at Midnight perfectly captures that feeling of nervousness we have all had going home late at night in London
    Note to all posters: ALL song lyrics look like crap on the page, they only don't look like crap to you because you are hearing the song in your head as you paste them on the page. Result: you embarrass yourself.
    Saddo


  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    Jonathan Powell arguing West should talk to ISIS + Hamas on Newsnight as talks were opened with IRA, Rory Stewart strongly disagrees
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    How very selfless of Mr Burnham...
    Scott_P said:

    Labour sources said that Andy Burnham was among those figures most actively preparing for an attempt to become leader in case Mr Miliband stumbled before the election or was defeated on polling day. “His team is reaching out to party figures in the north and to unions in order to build a base if it’s needed,” a source said.

    A poll published yesterday by Lord Ashcroft, the Tory peer, gave David Cameron a two-point lead over Labour. It is the third recent poll to suggest that Mr Miliband’s long-held lead had disappeared, though another survey suggested that it was still in front.

    An ICM poll yesterday showed the Tories leading by 20 points on who voters trusted to run the economy. It also gave the Labour leader a disastrous approval rating of minus 35 points.
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4229092.ece

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited October 2014
    "Harwich to Esbjerg ferry route's final journey":

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-29353171
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    edited October 2014
    @SeanT

    Dylan for sure. And I reckon some of the Boss' lyrics stand on their own for their imagery:

    And some kid comes blastin' 'round the corner,
    But a cop puts him right away
    He lays on the street holding his leg, screaming something in Spanish
    Still breathing when I walked away
    And somebody said, "Hey man, did you see that?
    His body hit the street with such a beautiful thud"
    I wonder what the dude was sayin',
    Or was he just lost in the flood?

    ...or...

    But I remember us riding in my brother's car
    Her body tan and wet down at the reservoir
    At night on them banks I'd lie awake
    And pull her close just to feel each breath she'd take
    Now those memories come back to haunt me
    They haunt me like a curse
    Is a dream a lie if it don't come true?
    Or is it something worse?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    Nigel4England Agree
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    MikeK Well they are in Nato, and should accept the obligations that imposes
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    SeanT/Yokel Bombing in Iraq seems to be having an effect, we need bombing in Syria to follow suit
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    SeanT said:

    Kobane. "A Terrible Slaughter is Coming".

    http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/10/a-terrible-slaughter-is-coming/381157/

    This is potentially the Srebrenica of our time.

    Can someone please explain to me why the fuck is the civilized world allowing this to happen?
    I'll put it down to bush and blair,the west are to frightened of they own shadows after Iraq.

    Do people really think you can whistle up 150,000 soldiers just like that? Meantime I seem to remember people in the past saying, 'its their country let them fight for it' etc...
    Some months ago the UK govt wanted to commence airstrikes on the syrian army for mhumanitarian reasons. Labour and a rag tag bunch of fellow travellers scotched that. Now people are shouting for more?

    Following the overwhelming position of people back during the Iraq invasion the West now are doing what the public want - limiting ISIS with air strikes. This is probably adequate for our immediate and narrow security needs. It would probably be wise following what turned out after the Iraq invasion to remember that this is going to be a long job and jumping in half baked is probably not the best idea.

    However 'decent' and proper it might be to do more, I somehow doubt that the public would be willing to sustain the effort needed. The other question is are the locals who are suffering prepared to display the unity that would encourage it?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited October 2014
    It's very quiet here tonight. Where is everyone?
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